Starcraft Mafia: Legacy of the Void [Game Over]

[Liger_Zero]

First. I am not voting. Voting is a Zerg action.

[Liger_Zero]

Almost, Hydra and Chen are.my top 3 scum reads.
I'm also town locking Alch.
Icon is a null.

Solid reads.

[Liger_Zero]

I town read everyone. No scum in this game.

[Liger_Zero]

Yes

[Liger_Zero]

All scum are gone, you are safe Vedith.

[Liger_Zero]

I’m..uhh...I’m...I’m a miller, guys. I know I literally just pulled a miller gambit as scum recently, and I understand that that’s gonna be just Krazy enough for me to try as scum...

But I’m just being honest. I am a miller. That is part of my role...

Role cop clear me or something, haha

I actually believe this.

VOTE: Shiro

It’s been a while.

I like your Roy Mustang avi. Did you get the Firebat or hellion role?

[Liger_Zero]

Well I can confirm I got the predator role

[Liger_Zero]

[Liger_Zero]

I think Liger is doing a great job

Sure, it’s a great job, but is it gonna be enough? Liger solo dolo-ing against this town block?

I will have to do better than that!

[Liger_Zero]

I have spent the last 10 minutes looking for an old family guy joke that I can't seem to find.

Don't even know all the context for it but the punchline is something like:
"I will have to do better than that!"
"you are hired"

Someone find this for me.

[Liger_Zero]

Alright, Liger, is it time?

Yes

[Liger_Zero]

I have a terran role pm.

[Liger_Zero]

I have a terran role pm.

No.

Yes

[Liger_Zero]

I have a terran role pm.

No.

Yes

I do not believe.
I will not believe.

Free country.

[Liger_Zero]

Yo. Why so shitposty everyone? Like, even though I hate RVS, you guys didn't even really bother with that and just said 97% nonsense.

Why so serious?

[Liger_Zero]

Yo. Why so shitposty everyone? Like, even though I hate RVS, you guys didn't even really bother with that and just said 97% nonsense.

We can add Cerb to town.

Everyone is town. We went over this.

[Liger_Zero]

Everyone is town. We went over this.

Yes but what if town are the bad guys here?

Then might makes right and that means they are good by the transitive property.

[Liger_Zero]

Those who wish to divide us among labels are the true enemies.

I am looking at you mr Alchemist.

[Liger_Zero]

What are you thinking vote wise?

No one has campaigned well enough to buy my vote yet.

[Liger_Zero]

Powerpuff girls are gonna be a headache i can foresee.

[Liger_Zero]

Classic way of discrediting someone. Are you afraid of us?

Yes.

[Liger_Zero]

Where did you get those lollipops?

[Liger_Zero]

When will something exciting happen?

[Liger_Zero]

I don't think anyone has done anything scummy. So therefore no one is scum.

[Liger_Zero]

VOTE: almost50

[Liger_Zero]

Flavor Leaf has an interesting personality from what little I have seen.

[Liger_Zero]

I think I can guess what Flavor Leaf does for living.
Musician/Actor

I want to take bets on that

[Liger_Zero]

I would like to place a bet

Sure. What you want to bet?

[Liger_Zero]

I would like to place a bet

Sure. What you want to bet?

I would like to bet a Shadow unvote on whether or not you are correct about the musician/actor in me.

I’m gonna say no.

Shadow unvote? What are you talking about.

[Liger_Zero]

I would like to place a bet

Sure. What you want to bet?

I would like to bet a Shadow unvote on whether or not you are correct about the musician/actor in me.

I’m gonna say no.

Shadow unvote? What are you talking about.

Damn, you didn’t take the bait for me testing the team of you Shadow!

I actually am an actor.

I thought you were talking about secret unvote. Which made no sense.

That was terrible bait.

[Liger_Zero]

Even if I was his teammate why would I care about you unvoting him at this stage?

[Liger_Zero]

Even if I was his teammate why would I care about you unvoting him at this stage?

You gotta hatchet me early.

Damn. I have your whole personality so pegged this isn't even funny.

[Liger_Zero]

No joke. I wrote out that question and then I immediately thought out what kind of response I would think you would give from the character profile I think I have of you, and based on that you gave me basically what I expected.

Good to know.

[Liger_Zero]

So my next question for you is:
When are you going to stop acting like your reads are more than hot air?

[Liger_Zero]

It’s all an act, though.

Ask A50 what happened the last time he thought he could just let me live when I was lolololol’ing nonsense town playing.

If you’re actually scum, I advise you not sleep on me

Yeah I know some of this is an act. Why do you think I made my guess on you being an actor/musician?

[Liger_Zero]

No joke. I wrote out that question and then I immediately thought out what kind of response I would think you would give from the character profile I think I have of you, and based on that you gave me basically what I expected.

Good to know.

People used to say this about how I played a prediction based strategy game. They knew exactly what i was going to do, just couldn’t do anything about it.

Now the question is, just because you understand who I am as a personality, how are you going to adapt that into a playstyle that shall benefit your wincon?

I am not currently thinking about that. More concerned with you dropping the parts of act that are very much apparent to be just that. An act.

Then I can decipher if I can trust you, and then go from there.

[Liger_Zero]

So my next question for you is:
When are you going to stop acting like your reads are more than hot air?

When have I ever implied they were strong reads?

I’m a flip flopper, and until I have reason through a chain of trajectory and events, I have no reason to believe I am wrong.

I obviously know that I can’t actually trust these reads, but knowing what my early reads are are important for looking back to see why my reads were what they were and allows me to further analyze the current game state at a later time to see what scum’s eventual gameplay was.

This is contradictory and seems like backtracking, probably makes sense to you though.

[Liger_Zero]

No joke. I wrote out that question and then I immediately thought out what kind of response I would think you would give from the character profile I think I have of you, and based on that you gave me basically what I expected.

Good to know.

People used to say this about how I played a prediction based strategy game. They knew exactly what i was going to do, just couldn’t do anything about it.

Now the question is, just because you understand who I am as a personality, how are you going to adapt that into a playstyle that shall benefit your wincon?

I am not currently thinking about that. More concerned with you dropping the parts of act that are very much apparent to be just that. An act.

Then I can decipher if I can trust you, and then go from there.

I don’t believe I’m trying to hide anything. I’m playing in a specific way to gather reads and analyze the game state. If you think that I’m just messing around, you are surely mistaken. Everyone knows there’s not an ounce of my body that isn’t playing in a mindset to try and find scum. If this were a moba, I’d be playing the Carry. I like to find my town block because if you help me get fed, I will not let that go to waste.

Theres a whole lot wrong with this post, but I am just gonna say that most of this is just projection.

Given the way people interacted with you before though, I could take guess someone might back up an empty statement like this though. Probably Almost50.

[Liger_Zero]

Yeah you are definitely still in acting mode. Let me know when you are gonna drop that for awhile and be real.

[Liger_Zero]

Would scum!almost buddy ally so transparently here? I need to figure out almost50 more. So far I just get cringe when I read his posts.
I am going with no right now. I don't see a reason to.

[Liger_Zero]

You are responding to me in a way that is putting up a front and that is very obvious. I don't know if that front is being done maliciously or just to be "charismatic and charming" but it is very not real.

[Liger_Zero]

I feel you thought I’d be an easy push because of my posting style without actually knowing my capabilities, and now you’re backing away.

I totally believe you think this way.

[Liger_Zero]

Spoiler: Analysis of Almost Posts

Yo! Whassup, gangstas?

FTR, I ain't gonna read no rules (and especially not dat one 'bout usin' tags on videos/large photos). Na'ah! Not gonna read any of dat shit, man.

Oh, and I'm also an important man. I've got connections. Ya mess wit me and it's at your own peril. Ya feel me?

Entrance that is relaxed in nature. Has going for him a thug tone I guess, maybe finds this self amusing. Probably does.

Almost, Hydra and Chen are.my top 3 scum reads.
I'm also town locking Alch.
Icon is a null.

Wow. You pegged us all in one go. I guess we'd have to pop you tonight then. Sorry, but you sealed your own fate.

Still relaxed in nature. Not taking the game too serious, his headspace is probably at that point where he knows nothing is at stake so he can make posts like this. Not much here.

I have something to claim already, guys, but I’ll do it in a few pages

What? That you're a cannibal? I mean, it says you won a Hannibal Lecter there, so what else could you have to reveal?

P.S. Creature isn't in this game, so you can't fake masons with hi, alright? But if you really really feel the urge to, you have my permission to fake masons with me. Wanna be my mason buddy?

Friendly reachout to Flavor. Seems to want to stroke his ego. Seeing how Flavor operates, this would definitely work to get him in his good graces. Doubt a buddy would do this with buddy, probably knows he can do this to win him over. Could easily see flavor taking this in easily. Could just be friendly banter, and theres obviously history between the two.

I’m..uhh...I’m...I’m a miller, guys.

Oh, shit! And there I was asking you to be my mason buddy! Hmmm.. oh, well.

Buddying more. Asking to basically town buddy him. He is still in relaxed tone so he can ask this in the way he does so without it being scrutinized so I find the way he approached it to be suspicious given the previous post. I think if he just went about this more directly I would have considered it differently but the way done so allows him to save face for denial. Am I overthinking this? Not even sure of my profile on Almost.

Vedith-Flavor-RCE-Alchemist town block.

Who else can we throw in there? Not Liger, I think Liger’s probably scum.

A50? I’d be down for that

This guy is TOWN.

Wow FL reading my mind.

This guy is town too.

I'll accept Alch in my town block, but Vedith needs to apologize.

\o/

Yeah he is just sheeping empty reads that Flavor gave. Then just gives out blanket reads himself. I think he thinks he can go points from others by doing this. Those posts aren't townie or scummy.

If Creature relplaces In, though, I’ll have to switch it

People always talkin' 'bout
Your reputation
I don't care about your other

girls

masons
Just be good to me (oh, oh, oh)

Friends are always tellin' me
You're a user
I don't care what you do to them
Just be good to me (oh, oh, oh)

What am I reading.

VOTE: shadowlesscloud

Scummy entrance.

I concur, tbh. Those broken tags somehow don't belong here.

VOTE: shadowlesscloud

Sheeping.

Before being evil and after being evil?

Before being shot in the face and after

A-ha! So you're probably a Judas! I mean, could also be Traitor but I dunno why the Traitor would change their flavour.

I need to stop reading his jokes.

I have early town reads on RCE, Vedith, PPG, Alchemist, and Cerberus.

Early scum reads on Liger and Shadow.

I'm of two minds now. I feel pretty good that we have almost identical reads, but -at the same time- suspect that's a sign we might be wrong.

This might be the best reason for me being wrong on this. Or maybe he is hedging his bets in a scum way? I don't want to tunnel to much into my theory but I can see more good reasons this is a town post but still almost the rest of the ISO is weak.

I think I can guess what Flavor Leaf does for living.
Musician/Actor

I want to take bets on that

What are you talking about? I mean, he's an artist alright.. just not that kind of artist. In the last game I modded him he tried to devour someone then ditch their buddy in an acid container!! THAT is his art.

Bad joke combined with kissing up to Flavor. Why? Are scum this obvious these days or is he just in love with Flavor?

Also, Almost, you’re gonna get us both night killed by how scummy you’re playing that you’re just gonna be conf town because no scum plays that way.

Well, I prefer to be NK'd that be promoted as confirmed scum because I don't have oomph, don't you??

OK.. DISREGARD THAT. Let's get lynched instead.

HMhmhmhm

[Liger_Zero]

Yeah, I am good with my vote right now.

[Liger_Zero]

Can you drop the act or at least just tell me you aren't gonna drop it so I can ignore you? Cause you continuing on this is just going to be a "you are" "No i am not!" argument that gets us nowhere and frankly I don't care enough to have it.

[Liger_Zero]

Ignored it is.

[Liger_Zero]

This was a lot of words just to say you’re not sure about A50.

No. I am scumreading him. That was just me going through posts and giving thoughts and some of them I wasn't sure on.

[Liger_Zero]

What’s odd about Liger’s case on A50, is, doesn’t a relaxing style more often come from town than scum, so why is he sr that?

Didn't scumread him specifically for having a relaxed tone.

Are people reading my analysis or just nitpicking parts?

[Liger_Zero]

Liger why are you taking RVS so seriously?

It's almost like you play to an agenda rn

VOTE: Liger

This person isn't reading.

Vote:Liger

This is scum. That back and forth with flavor and the way he backed away with (tell me to ignore you bs) was beyond awful

Interesting. Want to read more from this person.

[Liger_Zero]

What does "RCEnigma" mean?

[Liger_Zero]

You only have 5 votes on you

[Liger_Zero]

You only have 5 votes on you

Days about to end iirc and theres not another wagon with a vote soo

Day ends in 9 days...

[Liger_Zero]

Yes, you should claim!

Fenix the bulletproof.

My "2" flavors are before and after my body was killed lol

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Liger_Zero]

You think Almost is town?

[Liger_Zero]

I think the case is that your opening was weird/awkward/scummy.

Quite a few people are in agreement over something I frankly see as nothing but I wouldn't expect much of cases at this stage of the game. If you think Almost has a weird read on you, think that's good enough to vote him? Who is your focus on?

[Liger_Zero]

Yeah I was pretty sure a lot would see Leaf interactions this way. Its pretty typical when you get a group of people who all know that one person and another person sheds light on how this person is operating and everyone denies it but you know. That is how groups work.

I mean I think quite a few people don't know his line between him acting in a certain way to what isn't part of the act. Its pretty difficult to distinguish at times. Because when you get caught out on one act, a person could say "this is the real me" and they just put on a new one but since they came out and admitted to the act you are more inclined to believe they are being truthful.

Although I am curious because theres definitely things I read in his posts that I think he actually believes that is mixed in with the act.

[Liger_Zero]

Ftr before anyone says this, I am not shading Leafy. I think leafy is town rn to large margin. He is just being incredibly fake and that's just a part of how he operates in games maybe more outside couldn't tell you.

[Liger_Zero]

A50 is going to scumtell day 1 as either alignment so it's not really important to him what he posts or responds to.

More on this.

What can you tell me of how he plays?

[Liger_Zero]

UNVOTE: I think BP is a scummy claim regardless. But it can be tested tomorrow so there are better options probably. Not named Liger preferrably.

Are you assuming that we have a vigi or that scum is going to kill him? Cause I think both of these are bad assumptions and even if we had a vigi I doubt he would waste a shot on a bulletproof.

[Liger_Zero]

A50 is going to scumtell day 1 as either alignment so it's not really important to him what he posts or responds to.

More on this.

What can you tell me of how he plays?

He usually doesn't. If he's town he is probably the night 1 target almost certainly. Although Vedith is also a usual night 1 target so he might have some leeway.

But as scum he would have to play to his "town avoiding the night kill" meta anyways.

….this gives me nothing other than he isn't playing. So is he like feared as town by scum or something? Why would he get nightkilled?

[Liger_Zero]

I played a game recently where I replaced into Almost slot and people auto gave me townreads for just being in his spot while the scum tried to push me as scum (and a dumb townie too).

Not sure anything about him but apparently he had a meltdown or something and rage quit the game. I didn't read his posts in the game only circumstances around him leaving.

My assumption is that he is one of those people that when he is town and is pressured he will flip out making him obvious town. Though am not sure on that accuracy just what my only impression of him before this game is.

[Liger_Zero]

This really feels like I am a spectator of this game and not really in it. Weird.

[Liger_Zero]

I think Alchemist is town, but I am not gonna go into reasons

[Liger_Zero]

I could wagon chenn.

VOTE: Chennisden

If things go south though I’m going back to Shadowless. Only reason I’m letting them go at all is because Night Actions

could

resolve them.

Very doubtful they would though.

I don't know why I am arguing this. I don't townread or scumread shadow.

[Liger_Zero]

Alchemist are you townreading Almost here?

[Liger_Zero]

I think the vig test RCE proposed only goes bad if he’s a scum Bulletproof and if that happens to be the case an investigative PR could follow up on the slot at a later point.

P-edit: Yes. It’s not the highest confidence read but it’s a Townread.

Why do you assume town has a vigilante in this? And why you think town should vigilante a claimed BP over someone else?

[Liger_Zero]

Ohh you also think investigative can check him. Okay I guess that makes more sense. The whole vigilante thing is just bonkers to me.

[Liger_Zero]

Two town actions wasted on one person is really suboptimal.

[Liger_Zero]

Ill check him. Any vigs out there can shoot elsewhere.

[Liger_Zero]

Are you ignoring the part where I said "replaced in, didn't read much of his posts except the circumstances around his replace out"

[Liger_Zero]

Are you ignoring the part where I said "replaced in, didn't read much of his posts except the circumstances around his replace out"

So you replaced in and didn't read through the entire game before you started to post? I see. Is that one game the only previous experience you have with Almost50? Even if it is, have you reconsidered your read on Almost50 based on the things that I have said?

- Volxen

Yes, Yes, No.

[Liger_Zero]

The cool kids are voting Chennis

- Hydra

Ehhh voting a person who isn't paying attention isn't very appealing right now.

[Liger_Zero]

I clearly do have a grasp of what’s going on in this gamestate.

No, you don't.

[Liger_Zero]

The cool kids are voting Chennis

- Hydra

Ehhh voting a person who isn't paying attention isn't very appealing right now.

It’s not that he’s not paying attention, he seems to be deliberately skipping over most of the game.

How is that scummy versus lazy?

[Liger_Zero]

I think him comparing this game with Stellaris, looked like a really suspicious way to discredit my read on him.

I don't know what this Stellaris game is, but this just sounds like reaching.

Also. Why do so many people think any criticism of their play = I am being discredited?

[Liger_Zero]

Are scum this obvious these days or is he just in love with Flavor?

Regardless of my alignment, I won't (and don't even want to) deny I love FL. He is of a charming personality, and he is just as crazy as I am, so I do like playing with him (or in his modded games).

Now, the way you went about this somehow feels like you're genuinely trying to sort me, which means you're town (or -at least- not group scum! Remember I didn't read the rules so I wouldn't know if the game has 3P roles).

hmhmhmhmmmmm

This is basically how your reads are being formed which doesn't look very natural. I sometimes use genuine to describe posts but how exactly did the posts look genuine, Almost?

[Liger_Zero]

I’d call it lazy if they skipped everything and said I’m not reading, but they hit random (and minor) posts in between to respond to without commenting on the actual gamestate. It’s like they want to appear active and engaged but are doing a poor job of it.

I don't get that impression of wanting to appear active or engaged. Seems more like giving generic responses to posts after doing brief skimming without a second or third thought.

And honestly I get that impression from half the playerlist, chenn is just doing it more overtly than a lot of others.

[Liger_Zero]

how exactly did the posts look genuine, Almost?

You were heading in one direction (pushing me as scum) but suddenly found a post to say that it comes from town. This shows you are genuinely trying to figure my alignment rather than just paint me as scum to push for my lynch.

hmhmhmmmmmmmmm….I like this answer but this still gives me the idea you are not thinking a lot about this....I don't know why that matters here..

Ehhhh

VOTE: Chenn

Almost is fine for now. I think I just don't like his interactions with Flavor.

[Liger_Zero]

Actually:
VOTE: Shiro

I like this more than Chenn right now.

[Liger_Zero]

Because there is no good reason for either of you to say I don’t understand what’s going on here.

I think its pretty important to let someone know they don't know whats going on. Wouldn't want someone running around thinking they do when they don't.

[Liger_Zero]

Ohhhh I think I might have a profile set up on Buttercup. Lets see if she responds how I think she will to that post.

[Liger_Zero]

But seriously, you keep saying that and not explaining.

So, I’m calling total bs on that.

Not the answer I expected. Not even in the ballpark. Got to get back to the profiler.

[Liger_Zero]

So claiming miller, claiming, mason, claiming IC, buddying up early, vote hopping

Is anyone townreading FL?

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

None of his claims are real. And are pretty obvious jokes.

[Liger_Zero]

Ummmm....okay?

[Liger_Zero]

Did you read the thread or skimmed it?

[Liger_Zero]

Your posts really come of as awkward.

[Liger_Zero]

What do you consider awkward though?

Just your posts in general. If i could describe in detail what is awkward about them, it wouldn't be awkward it would be something else.

[Liger_Zero]

Because Flavor's probably scum. Did I mention rolefishing?

No. What is role fishing about Leafy?

[Liger_Zero]

Mate, my case in you was mentioned in the same post I voted you:

I thought that was tongue in cheek......I don't even want to go into how that isn't a case.

[Liger_Zero]

Chenn, why are you at the bottom of the Player Order.

I don’t think it’s random.

You think this was role fishing?

[Liger_Zero]

This game really doesn't feel like nothing is happening

[Liger_Zero]

Like I am reading it. And I don't know if this is just my general mood but I get a feeling of lack of energy just from reading the game environment. Anyone have any steroids we can shoot into it and get this thing rolling?

[Liger_Zero]

Vote:Liger

This is scum. That back and forth with flavor and the way he backed away with (tell me to ignore you bs) was beyond awful

This to me was the scummiest vote on me and want to have some people give input on Shiro.
I know not much there, but wondering what people are thinking of Shiro even if its just "not enough to process".

To me I read this and my immediate mind went to looking at the way this was framed. First you have beginning with "this is scum" stating that theres certainty in that statement. Then goes into a statement on what happened, and then framing of how it went with "he backed away with (tell me to ignore you bs)" which to me was neither how that went down nor how that could be perceived in the slightest even if you thought I was scum. Then last part was again a part of this statement of opinion that doesn't need to be qualified it just "was beyond awful", as though it was self evident.

This just read like someone framing things as scummy without actually considering them to be actually scummy.

[Liger_Zero]

Let's play.

What do you think or feel is the intention behind RCE's plan to deal with Shadow?
And do you think Shadow's claim is scum or not?

I don't really care about either of these if I am gonna be honest.

[Liger_Zero]

Minor scumread on Cereberus. Something seems out of place. Not sure what it is yet.

[Liger_Zero]

It's really little to go on, with only 4 posts by Shiro and only 1 of those are usefull.Does explain his scumread, and it's pretty straightforward.Low effort, yes. Scum? I don't think so.

That's kind of why I wanted to see more from Shiro in case this was just low effort or scum framing.

[Liger_Zero]

Minor scumread on Cereberus. Something seems out of place. Not sure what it is yet.

Overly defensive?

Nope. I get the idea it is in his line of questioning though. Still can't explain it any deeper.

[Liger_Zero]

More votes on this ^

[Liger_Zero]

More votes on this ^

Nah you are the scum here tryin got go for the easy target

You are not helping yourself by self labeling yourself as an easy target.

I also am scum reading alchemist.

Anyone else scum reading alchemist?

No, not really.

[Liger_Zero]

volxen case on me earlier was exceptionally weak, but I am not certain that was a scum case.

[Liger_Zero]

Lately, yes. But as a whole not really. I think he like quite a few others aren't energized right now.
I think his earlier posts were town motivated to.

[Liger_Zero]

Why were you so quick to want to lynch him through his claim on day one, given that you were in Starcraft 2? Remember that in that game there were two town-aligned one-shot BP's -- Michael Scott (Auro and I) and Tibor & Lumia (Gamma Emerald and Brassherald)/Firebinger both had that role (see: Starcraft 2 Mod Thread). That game was 11 town vs 3 scum, and there are at least 11 townies in this game, so it's very likely that there is at least one town-aligned BP role in this game.

I pointed out why this was bad earlier. I don't think that town!volxen thinks, "there was this role in the last game so there will very likely be that role in this game and everyone else should be assuming that to be true as well. People who don't assume that have a a scum agenda." like that's absurd

I mean bad arguments can come from town, I don't know what the scum motivation for volxen to push this other than they think this will get them town points? And even then it seems a bit silly.

[Liger_Zero]

So far I just don't like Volxen MJL doing this politician game I think they are doing. They have the uncle sam avatar and they are acting so much like a politician to get support for what they are doing it makes me a bit suspicious.

[Liger_Zero]

Moderator Announcement: Moongrass replaces Yahmose!

I didn't even recognize Yahmose being in this game.

[Liger_Zero]

What?

[Liger_Zero]

I think he is town and for the most part has been putting on a show, I don't see scum motivation in what he is doing.

[Liger_Zero]

And you think that because?

[Liger_Zero]

As to Shiro, different contexts in the game you linked - he was voting a lurker. Besides, his early townreads have that confidence ("OK Prince and chara are town"). It's likelier that Shiro early-declares slots scum/town (town in that game, scum this game), and I do not see why it's scum-indicative for him here.

So...you think that Shiro makes very confident reads early on or just posts that way in all cases because he did it with a game where he declared town reads....
Okay. Interesting position. I think that's flimsy argumenting but then again I think my case is weak given I have one post here I am arguing for on how Shiro is scum and that post really screams fake to me.

And I really don't think the posts that was quoted from Shiro are that comparable in the way they read.

[Liger_Zero]

Liger are your scumreads just A50, volxen and shiro at present?

Not scumreading A50 or volxen right now.

I am suspicious of Volxen but I don't know what is going on with them.

[Liger_Zero]

scumhunt

[Liger_Zero]

I mean, I am lurking to the maximum degree. Can't deny the truth

You being aware of it, doesn't help.

[Liger_Zero]

VOTE: Cerb

[Liger_Zero]

VOTE: shiro

[Liger_Zero]

pagetop

You are in this game?

[Liger_Zero]

Ohhh backup moderator.

[Liger_Zero]

FL is shiro lynchbait?

Not FL but yeah, possibly. I concur with my other heads and FL, on not wanting to lynch him D1.

~Buttercup

Wrong answer

[Liger_Zero]

FL is shiro lynchbait?

No

[Liger_Zero]

I really question what you think you are going to get out of that question.

[Liger_Zero]

Cerb is a pretty good wagon too, but I prefer Shiro rn

[Liger_Zero]

And any answer to that will give you basically nothing. You are a mechanics player, right? Why aren't you asking good mechanic questions like you did in Anime?

[Liger_Zero]

Flavor is mentally back at page 15 or so. I guess we learned that, even though he already said that.

[Liger_Zero]

Why? They are correct, though.

No

[Liger_Zero]

You aren't worth fighting buddy.

[Liger_Zero]

Attention all Shiro-wagoners

Is there an actual case on him, or is it a policy lynch?

I legit made a case, and the posts since then haven't really been convincing any other way.

[Liger_Zero]

This might be a bit of a stretch but I think this is likely a towntell assuming the scum team would have had some interaction with both mods.

I don't think the mod contacts scum players to let them know who replaces in, I haven't heard that ever being done in games

[Liger_Zero]

Vote:Liger

This is scum. That back and forth with flavor and the way he backed away with (tell me to ignore you bs) was beyond awful

I made reasons why I think this is posted more by scum but to recap:
> Phrasing used seems unnatural (certainty used, given the reasoning after how did you get that certainty? you looked like you skimmed)
> Framing used to describe what happened
> even if you take the framing the conclusion reached wasn't followed. You could label that as bad posting or w/e but most of the way it presents itself as self evident and even the way its framed it isn't that way.

prod taken

Will post something tommorow most liekly

Come on Shiro. I want more posts. Prove me wrong.

More votes on this ^

Nah you are the scum here tryin got go for the easy target

Why call scum scum? Why not say "you are just trying to discredit me and go for an easy target" This is such an obvious reframe of the push.

More votes on this ^

Nah you are the scum here tryin got go for the easy target

You are not helping yourself by self labeling yourself as an easy target.

I also am scum reading alchemist.

Anyone else scum reading alchemist?

No, not really.

I mean, I am lurking to the maximum degree. Can't deny the truth

Using their lurking as a defense to a push. Its framing that I am going for easy push and that they are target only for that. When literally nothing else says they are town.

[Liger_Zero]

Attention all Shiro-wagoners

Is there an actual case on him, or is it a policy lynch?

I legit made a case, and the posts since then haven't really been convincing any other way.

A case that is based on a single post. 1. post.

Seeing Shiro's ISO I can kinda understand you want him lynched on policy, but it's less scummy then for instance Shadow disappearing after his claim.

I don't want Shiro policy lynched. I have no idea where you get that idea. What policy am I lynching them for exactly?

[Liger_Zero]

I wonder if you'd feel the same way if he voted anyone else instead of you

Leafy voted me and I am calling him town. So........not sure what else to say to this.

[Liger_Zero]

That they think he is scum so I am fine with them tagging along without really questioning it too much. If I think someone is jumping on with bad reasoning, I am gonna question it. So far they haven't said much but things that seem to be about "gut" and that seems fine for now to me.

[Liger_Zero]

Moderator Announcement: Wisdom replaces Shadowlesscloud!

hype

[Liger_Zero]

Flavor Leaf is playing a different game and posting here it would seem.

[Liger_Zero]

Town: {Liger, Hydra, urap2, Icon, FL}
Nulltown: {Vedith, Almost, Moongrass}
Null: {Volxen, Cerb, Alch}
Nullscum: {RCE, PPG, chennis, Shiro}

Pretty sure RCEnigma is town

[Liger_Zero]

I don't think you are as certain as me.

[Liger_Zero]

Shiro. Posting "why?" doesn't constitute doing something if that is all you have posted and it looks like a prodge

[Liger_Zero]

caught up

VOTE: shiro

Wrong once more Wisdom

When will you learn

Prove him wrong.

[Liger_Zero]

Since I'm very sure FL and A50 aren't scum. I'll sheep them. Can we not lynch liger today though?

Both the people you want to sheep aren't invested in this game. So if you are going to be lazy and want to sheep someone, can I interest you in a Shiro wagon?

[Liger_Zero]

Since I'm very sure FL and A50 aren't scum. I'll sheep them. Can we not lynch liger today though?

Both the people you want to sheep aren't invested in this game. So if you are going to be lazy and want to sheep someone, can I interest you in a Shiro wagon?

Or sheep A50 since he is also on Shiro. That also works.

[Liger_Zero]

Votecount 1.7

Volxen MJL Combo Pack(5)

~ Powerpuff Girls(115), u r a person 2(39), Iconeum(50), chennisden(27), Moongrass(37)

Shiro(5)

~ Hydra TBD(26), Liger_Zero(134), Wisdom(72), Alchemist21(50), Almost50(59)

Moongrass(1)

~ Vedith(120)

Liger_Zero(1)

~ Shiro(11)

chennisden(1)

~ RCEnigma(77)

Volxen wagon:
Powerpuff - Lots of noise in thread. Heads don't seem to be in agreement or they are all playing separately. Was meh on their whole case on Volxen. I almost want to dissect it, but too lazy too right now. Wasn't impressed with it, but didn't make me think volxen was more town or scum. No idea on powerpuff alignment except buttercup seems self delusional.

uraperson2 - Uhhhh no real strong thoughts either way on this guy or even strong impressions of the top of my head....rereading his thoughts on Volxen he makes a better case than Powerpuff. Though not with him on parts such as the thoughts on roles since that seems irrelevant for alignment

Iconeum - I can't follow this dudes thoughts.

Moongrass - Wants to get someone to L-1. Probably should vote Shiro if that is what is motivating you. Not sold on his alignment either way.

chennisden - I will be honest and say I don't read this guys posts.....and now I read them. And they are bad. Reasoning for Shiro being a bad wagon? It just is! I actually kind of believe him that he wouldn't be this lazy if he is scum, but that is just sad.

And I am mostly townreading the people on Shiro wagon with the exception of Hydra. Weird. 3 people on the Volxen wagon that I am not sure about and 2 I think are townie. Hmmmmmmmmm. I like my wagon. TOWN DRIVEN!!!

[Liger_Zero]

My (concise) concerns with

Volxen MJL Combo Pack

:

1.

Lack of any real scumhunting

: The only real push the slot made was a very specific one directed at Liger_Zero, and it was almost purely focused on Liger_Zero's A50 read - with an unvote right after Liger_Zero rebuts it. The progression here doesn't look genuine, in the sense of trying to sort out Liger's slot as a whole. Apart from this, they have *no* other scumread they're pushing. Which they make up with three townreads (of which only one is... "strong") [492].
2.

Early game fluff

: Volxen hadn't made any push till around the 20th page when I prodded him. Early game posts [116, 126, 152] are filler, devoid of any vote/wagoning. I know we were all shitposting, but his posts appear to be filler with serious intent.
3.

MJL's absence

: MJL is usually pretty involved as town; she's not made a single post this game. Unless she siteflaked (and I believe that's not the case), this should be scum indicative for MJL.

To the Combo Pack: If you're town, and not finding time to discuss reads with each other, it would help me read you if you posted your thoughts as individuals rather than lurk out waiting for an opportunity. I will not move our vote till my concerns are cleared / I have sufficient reason to townread you; and MJL starts being active.

VOTE: Volxen MJL Combo Pack

Points:
1) The best and really only point of this whole thing. I don't know if I completely agree with it, but that post linked was not my cup of tea.
2) No idea what this "filler with serious intent" means...like they are trying to filler when everyone else is fillering with non-relevant game stuff.
3) Volxen pointed out MJL was going to be absent.

On one hand, I agree with the scumread on me and thought process seemingly looks as I would say 'bizarre', but the conclusion of it being scum, I am not there.
Also think Volxen is not invested in this game, which is a huge growing trend we need to stop in this game.

Like seriously, I am going to have to get some cocaine and hookers to keep you people invested.

[Liger_Zero]

1) The best and really only point of this whole thing. I don't know if I completely agree with it, but that post linked was not my cup of tea.
2) No idea what this "filler with serious intent" means...like they are trying to filler when everyone else is fillering with non-relevant game stuff.
3) Volxen pointed out MJL was going to be absent.

1. It's easy to disprove "lack of scumhunting" by finding evidence of scumhunting. This shouldn't be an ambiguous point.
2. Being conscious about shitposting versus posting filler content while trying to look like you're contributing. There's a difference. Former NAI, latter scummy.
3. Citations needed. I have a quote from MJL saying she was going to post reads.

No one's really offering any serious rebuttals to the case.

- Bubbles

1) You didn't read my point 1. Because if you did, this wasn't an appropriate response. So I am not giving you one.
2) That doesn't make sense when filler is not contributing by nature. If you want to argue that the person is trying to be part of the shitposting but it comes of forced/incincere or out of place. Whatever. I don't think that point is even really a point.
3) MJL said they are playing second fiddle and letting Vox drive. So not sure what you expect besides they said they would give reads at some point.

[Liger_Zero]

1) You didn't read my point 1. Because if you did, this wasn't an appropriate response. So I am not giving you one.
2) That doesn't make sense when filler is not contributing by nature. If you want to argue that the person is trying to be part of the shitposting but it comes of forced/incincere or out of place. Whatever. I don't think that point is even really a point.
3) MJL said they are playing second fiddle and letting Vox drive. So not sure what you expect besides they said they would give reads at some point.

1. You said you "don't know if you completely agree with it". I argued it's easy to either agree or disagree, since all you need for disagreement is evidence of them scumhunting. The post linked was the best potential evidence for them scumhunting, and it was weak.
2. You're saying all filler content is equal. I'm saying filler content can be AI. They were trying to appear that they were contributing something of value, when they actually weren't. Other slots were consciously shitposting. Why is this not a point?
3. Yes, that's exactly what I'm expecting. She said she'd give reads, and hasn't delivered. And she IS posting actively elsewhere on site.

-Bubbles

1) I mean that post you quoted was scumhunting the question is whether its fake or not, and I am saying I am not sure. So its neither agree or disagree. I take option 3. Not sure. Running for president next year as Sure, Not.
2) How are you definning filler? Because filler is not content that has readable material, if it did, its not filler. It can be a bad post that you think is posted by scum because X sort of reasoning. And I don't think they were trying to really contribute value there, reading the state of game I really dont think theres weight for this argument your pushing. If it is a point, its really weak.
3) Okay. So you think they are actively avoiding thread then?

[Liger_Zero]

Giving it further thought, Volxen+MJL deserve a lynch but considering they've flaked and people don't care. Wagoning them at this point is futile.

VOTE: Shiro

-Bubbles

Rude bubbles

Well you guys can lynch me, I don't care all that much. Remember though folks.

Liger is scum and i am starting to think he is trying to buy his buddy an extra day(or for a replacement if they flaked *shrug*)

I might put up effort before I die or I might not, who knows, time will tell. Defenitly not today though. Tune in for tomorrow.

You think I am buddies with Volxen? Are you voting Volxen? What even gives you that impression?

Liiiike honestly now that I think about it Liger is reeeeally into defending Volxen and hasn't really said why I ma scum, though to be Frank there isn't much he cam say about me.

Makes me even more keen to think they are together. Thing is flipping me don't really say anything about anyone (my previous point about being easy target) it will just end the day abd even lifer can dismish it as lurker with suspicious short posts.

What I mean to say with all that is. Regardless of what is said after my death(assumi g I even die) do not be wisdom in our previous game, lynch the obvious :p

Ok that's it for today 1% effort was put. Pending 99%

Okay this looks like you either A) Still not reading. B) Are just scum.

I made a case on you, and I am not defending Volxen.

[Liger_Zero]

I don't see how someone who is reading the game who says they are scumreading Volxen and thinks we are buddies, doesn't vote Volxen right now given the votecount.
So this could be A but I am still hedging on B.

[Liger_Zero]

Liger what is it that makes you think Shiro isn't reading? What specifically do you think they're missing?

....I answered this.

[Liger_Zero]

I don't see how someone who is reading the game who says they are scumreading Volxen and thinks we are buddies, doesn't vote Volxen right now given the votecount.
So this could be A but I am still hedging on B.

[Liger_Zero]

What?

[Liger_Zero]

Please explain how I am white knighting someone when I said I don't like some of their posts and that I have them at Null at the moment?

[Liger_Zero]

Yup, tbh you whole posting lately has been highly town to me, I already had in the back of my mind that liger might be whitekniging.

Also:
When did it come up in the back of your mind that is what is going on? Because you said we were buddies not to long ago and there wasn't any indication you had doubts on that. So explain where you started thinking "well this could just be scum defending a town".

Where did this come up?

[Liger_Zero]

How did you tie me to Wisdom with that post?

[Liger_Zero]

I don't get this narrative you are making though. I mean besides that the conclusion is false.

So you think:
> Scum Wisdom came in and decides to call me town and that was to derail suspicion. Theres one person with suspicion on me besides Shiro. I think that makes more sense if he came in here and everyone was suspicious of me, so you saying that he did it to derail suspicion is weird just given the game sphere. So do you think his town read on me is fake?
> Then the thing about me taking a position on Volxen, I don't know what that has to do with me and Wisdom? Or what you mean by lynching correctly? Is this a way of saying I am keeping options open in order to move that way later or something? I don't know what you mean by just what you are saying.
> The last part again doesn't make sense with the wisdom/me theory you just posted. Why do you think I am still interested in Shiro? You think I see them as an easy lynch? I am using it as cover to not talk about others? What is my scum agenda here? Like what is my scum motivation for actions.

[Liger_Zero]

Moongrass you seem to make theories and then make up reasons for it later, and its weird because you should be building evidence and then make a theory that supports it because the backwards approach looks bad.

[Liger_Zero]

I will fight with everyone, stay out of this bubbles

[Liger_Zero]

I don't get this narrative you are making though. I mean besides that the conclusion is false.

So you think:
> Scum Wisdom came in and decides to call me town and that was to derail suspicion. Theres one person with suspicion on me besides Shiro. I think that makes more sense if he came in here and everyone was suspicious of me, so you saying that he did it to derail suspicion is weird just given the game sphere. So do you think his town read on me is fake?
> Then the thing about me taking a position on Volxen, I don't know what that has to do with me and Wisdom? Or what you mean by lynching correctly? Is this a way of saying I am keeping options open in order to move that way later or something? I don't know what you mean by just what you are saying.
> The last part again doesn't make sense with the wisdom/me theory you just posted. Why do you think I am still interested in Shiro? You think I see them as an easy lynch? I am using it as cover to not talk about others? What is my scum agenda here? Like what is my scum motivation for actions.

[Liger_Zero]

I post my ideas to voice my opinions. I don't really care if they make sense to others.

I find your hyperdefensiveness suspicious.

Well I am trying to figure out where your opinions are coming from. I can post opinions and if I don't explain where they come from when people don't understand them they aren't that good.

And again I think you just are posting theories and then justifying them after which you have been doing a lot of.

[Liger_Zero]

Vedith-RCE-Myself were a big part of the early game

You guys just were shit posting the early game.

[Liger_Zero]

I think I have concluded Moongrass is town but I don't think reasoning with him is going to be cost-benefit for me.

[Liger_Zero]

I think chenn is actually town here. I was doing a read through of posts and even did a basic profile of him and I don't see any scum motivation in what he is doing. If anything most of his actions are just gonna get him more focus than what a scum player would want to do in this situation. He also doesn't seem to have an ounce of care of getting lynched which doesn't scream scum giving up in the way he is playing since I don't think he is overtly invested in this game to begin with.

I would prefer Volxen or Shiro rn, with Shiro being highly preferred.

[Liger_Zero]

I just skimmed another moongrass game. This is nothing like that game....huh

[Liger_Zero]

I need to examine that game and this game in more detail but I am reading a completely different personality than what I am here. That is interesting.

[Liger_Zero]

To those who don't care about meta:

Spoiler: Autumn Game Moongrass

Okay, I read through these posts pretty fast and I didn't read through any of the game just Moongrass posts, so take this with a grain of salt because theres always possibility this was impacted by environment:

Impression of Moongrass in that game is that they have some clear thought patterns I can follow. They seem reasonable in the way they make ideas and even critique their own ideas in way that seems they are thinking them out and aren't just hammering points to make points. Theres also the fact that there is a lot more personality you can see in the posts themselves. Moongrass in this game has a more robotic persona than compared to this game.

I think theres a stark contrast and I kind of want Moongrass to explain what they think the differences are in this game and that one. Cause this looks very very different almost like two different people.

[Liger_Zero]

I am checking Wisdom tonight, and if you were wise you would night kill me because if Wisdom is town he is going to shred you.

[Liger_Zero]

Are you going to answer my question about what you think the difference between this game and that game is or you just going to continue on with this narrative that I am trying to shade you?

Cause frankly I am not sold on you being scum. I just found that exceedingly odd that you played that game so drastically different.

[Liger_Zero]

I was saying about your hesitation to provide a stance on volxen.

Expand. I also asked about this earlier ftr.

[Liger_Zero]

I am checking Wisdom tonight, and if you were wise you would night kill me because if Wisdom is town he is going to shred you.

Why would you explicitly claim investigative? You do realize that breaks the entire plan, right? Scum either roleblocks you or kills you, so the entire plan goes down the drain anyway. I'd expect town to be intelligent about this and not CLAIM investigative JUST to make sure everyone knows they're checking another slot. The alternative being that you're scum trying to prevent a Wisdom push.

(This is why I said the plan wouldn't work, any competent scum would've caught his slip earlier - if he is town)

-Bubbles

I claimed it 20 pages ago.

[Liger_Zero]

> Then the thing about me taking a position on Volxen, I don't know what that has to do with me and Wisdom? Or what you mean by lynching correctly? Is this a way of saying I am keeping options open in order to move that way later or something? I don't know what you mean by just what you are saying.

[Liger_Zero]

I am checking Wisdom tonight, and if you were wise you would night kill me because if Wisdom is town he is going to shred you.

Why would you explicitly claim investigative? You do realize that breaks the entire plan, right? Scum either roleblocks you or kills you, so the entire plan goes down the drain anyway. I'd expect town to be intelligent about this and not CLAIM investigative JUST to make sure everyone knows they're checking another slot. The alternative being that you're scum trying to prevent a Wisdom push.

(This is why I said the plan wouldn't work, any competent scum would've caught his slip earlier - if he is town)

-Bubbles

@Liger we've been discussing about your alignment with the girls a lot, since Bubbles thought your early "I'm going to check it tonight, vigs go away" was a slip, and I didn't buy it, I thought you did that to avoid vigs killing your partner. You doubling down on this makes me think I'm oh so right.

This goes well with how Shadow acted dummy, like he goofed his claim by saying "oh I thought we were early to EoD because of the 2-day night!" when we recently finished Greatest Idea and Shadow showed that he's competent for this game and he wouldn't make that mistake. Also, Greatest Idea had 2-day nights and he had no problem with that.

Sooooo either you're caught in a miserable position as town where you really look like Shadow/Wisdom's partner, or you're indeed Wisdom's partner. Which is it? Will you join us catching Mojo Jojo?
VOTE: Wisdom

-Blossom

Get the hell of Wisdom or declare scum in your next post.
I don't care which you do.

[Liger_Zero]

VOTE: Powerpuff Girls

[Liger_Zero]

I don't have time to start this new wagon for powerpuff. We have 8 hours. If you are town and not just being stupid you would join on a wagon that you don't townread:
VOTE: Shiro

[Liger_Zero]

Correction: we have a day and half.
Powerpuff is possible but I am going with Shiro who I am positive is scum.

[Liger_Zero]

What a troll

[Liger_Zero]

Okay, so quick recap of what happened "20 pages ago":

- Shadow gets what, some 5 votes on him
- "Assumes" that "2 day nights" somehow implies 3 day days. As an experienced player who's played multiple games of Mafia outside the Newbie queue.
- Claims prematurely at L-4
- Someone proposes a vig test
- Liger reacts fast, says "Ill check him. Any vigs out there can shoot elsewhere.", consciously claiming invest.

Liger_Zero, did you really think the plan would succeed when you claimed invest?
You apparently are aware that it's "wise" for scum to NK you. Then why claim in the first place? I'm struggling to understand why any of this comes from a town perspective, please explain.

-Bubbles

If you actually think I claimed cop to save a buddy, you must have a very low bar for what you think of me. I will let you figure it out though.

[Liger_Zero]

How rude.

[Liger_Zero]

My reasoning is for town not to waste actions. It is that simple.

[Liger_Zero]

I doubt we have a vigilante and thats kind of why I questioned anyone who thought we did, but if we did I didn't want two people using an action on one slot.

[Liger_Zero]

I think you vote someone else before more people decide they should lynch a slot I am going to have sorted out tonight.

[Liger_Zero]

I think you vote someone else before more people decide they should lynch a slot I am going to have sorted out tonight.

We can sort it with a vig shot instead of an investigative role. That's my point, you decided investigating him was the best course of action instead of testing his BP claim. If it's true, nothing happens; if it's a lie, scum dies.

- Blossom

Even if his BP claim is true that doesn't make him town or scum. People pointed this out much earlier.

[Liger_Zero]

Even if his BP claim is true that doesn't make him town or scum. People pointed this out much earlier.

But his role PM makes him scum.


-Bubbles

What part of that investigative only proves he is BP doesn't mean it confirms his role mean to you?
Lets say you shot Wisdom tonight.

He survives.
Great we know he is BP. How would we know he is town? Shoot him again!
Great we wasted 2 shots or we lynched him tomorrow after confirming his role.

You are wasting actions and I said this earlier. This isn't complex.

[Liger_Zero]

If your answer is "No matter what we lynch him tomorrow" what the hell was the vigilante for?

[Liger_Zero]

I am in no way lynching a BP today especially one I townread.

[Liger_Zero]

I am in no way lynching a BP today especially one I townread.

Why do you townread him?

- Blossom

The situation surrounding Shadow claim. I don't think scum half cocks and gives out a claim like the way he did.

[Liger_Zero]

Which makes me believe the claim and believe he is town

[Liger_Zero]

I have a terran role pm.

Idk if this is:

1. serious

or

2. An issue since i got Protoss

This post was townie too

[Liger_Zero]

I am in no way lynching a BP today especially one I townread.

Why do you townread him?

- Blossom

The situation surrounding Shadow claim. I don't think scum half cocks and gives out a claim like the way he did.

Did you believe his "lol I thought we were close to EoD"? 'Cause not only I don't believe it, I'm almost certain it's a lie because of what I stated before.

- Blossom

If its a lie he has been consistent on being unaware of things he should be aware of.

[Liger_Zero]

Okay. This is a thing I see all the time.
But unless you can tell me that this person operates in the way you do because they play extremely similarly to you, and explain it in a way that I can actually see.

Don't tell me "yeah he is doing that thing I do as scum!" because its worthless

[Liger_Zero]

It doesn't actually seem more likely. It seems less likely actually.

[Liger_Zero]

It doesn't actually seem more likely. It seems less likely actually.

To you.

- Blossom

And I can reverse this on you, so now we reached stalemate.

[Liger_Zero]

This is probably flipping town. Like I feel pretty sure on it.

Chenn you can consider this intent, but I would be trying to push Shiro as the counter if I were you.

[Liger_Zero]

liger why is shiro scum beyond his silly scumread on you

If you find something town of Shiro let me know.

[Liger_Zero]

calling chennis, the main wagon, "chickadee" shows hes not paying any attention whatsoever so maybe that explains some things

Yes, this is town-indicative.

Intent to hammer.

-Bubbles

Why is it town indicative of Shiro but not town indicative of Chenn when he is doing the same thing?

[Liger_Zero]

First thirty or so pages. I think he has been paying attention as of late, which is why I think he is town actually. Before I couldn't tell.
You could see it in his earlier "reads" that he wasn't with the game.

[Liger_Zero]

Get back in my pocket RCE. Don't make me whip you

[Liger_Zero]

I think only a small portion of the game wants to lynch Wisdom and they are the "loud minority". So yeah, there wouldn't be much reason for him to go into survival mode.

[Liger_Zero]

Excuse you, I am trying to get you deeper into my pocket.

[Liger_Zero]

Anyone find it weird Buttercup went from "Ohh guys can I hammer? I am ready to hammer" and two posts later "Okay no one hammer. But we can't control that but nobody hammer okay?"

Cause that is all kinds of bad to me.

[Liger_Zero]

Ehhh they are probably just incredibly impulsive.

[Liger_Zero]

Wisdom if you found something town of Shiro, i am still ready to hear it.

[Liger_Zero]

Wisdom-senpai. Are you townreading shiro here now or just going for a lynch?

[Liger_Zero]

VOTE: Volxen

[Liger_Zero]

wisdom is town

[Liger_Zero]

Scum killed one of my suspects so I am pretty hyped about that. Should make this easier.