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Alright well I guess since it's not bastard that pretty much rules that out
in retrospect I could have just asked but that would have been less fun
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VOTE: game of throws
idgaf about any of these wagons rn, so I'll just use this as a pretext to ask you wtf is up with Dunn?
-H = GiF
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Dunn = MIA?
right? he's still in the hydra right?
I'll leave a serious vote to my other heads tomorrow morning
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Yeah the vote was lame but I was rereading and I was trying to understand who made the vote on Hot Lightning and who yelled at the person voting for Hot Lightning. So [Dunn/unsigned Nagito] made the Hot Lightning vote and was yelled at by [Maria/Nanami]
Sorry if this seems like a minor thing but it's helpful for my read on you if I understand where hydra dissonance is coming from. Did Nanami convince you, or if not do you think McQueen head is scummy or Baezu head is scummy?
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Did you miss the non-serious vote part? But actually, more than one person in this hydra isn't clear on their read on you so I want to resolve that.In post 1511, Game of Throws wrote:I've been posting the whole time. Who do you think has been pushing something scummy?
Regardless, that's a pretty lame vote
Why isSSthe only scumread you guys are pushing?
Why isHot Lightninga bad vote here?
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This was a pretty quick way to discredit us.Game of Throws wrote:As for you guys,I'll leave figuring out whether you're a loud town liability or a member of an opposing faction to them, for all you're grandstanding you guys haven't really manged to do much more than clog up the thread with your constant posting. I have a few other thoughts but I'll just skip them all and say that the hidden morale of this story is that not even 4 people hyperposting on one
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just a heads up Yang but this is pretty tame as far as Dunnstral condescension goes (and him talking like this is pretty NAI and certainly can come from town him).In post 1518, Team RWBY wrote:
This was a pretty quick way to discredit us.Game of Throws wrote:As for you guys,I'll leave figuring out whether you're a loud town liability or a member of an opposing faction to them, for all you're grandstanding you guys haven't really manged to do much more than clog up the thread with your constant posting. I have a few other thoughts but I'll just skip them all and say that the hidden morale of this story is that not even 4 people hyperposting on one
anyway I'm passing out now so go ahead and move our vote if you feel like it. Have a great day!
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is that group of 5 ordered? not sure why nomnom is below
anyway I'm not personally motivated to derail Sky even though I personally liked the drunkposting, but I guess I'm kinda alone on that, but I was wondering if your Neenie read was developed at all. I was starting to feel pretty good about a scumread there but then Ruby mentioned something which made me second guess myself. I guess you're still mostly focused on Sky and so you're not so focused on fully prioritized tier 3 scumreads?
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like ouch but okIn post 1570, Shining Dreamers wrote:Taly and Akarin are nonentities
all heads are carrying their weight and actively solving
Actually, yesterday and today I've been reevaluating my reads because I came to a similar conclusion you did in 1564 about the gamestate.
this feels Weak Town V Weak Scum, motives aren't clear as people don't look quite unique from the other. A narrative is easy to weave for scum as town finds plenty of players that are worth rope or are lynchable, but scum themselves aren't doing much, as few people, if any, are worth a hard townread early-game.
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you're saying that you believe it's more likely that town correctly has the game close to locked down?In post 1564, Shining Dreamers wrote:
Okay, so maybe I should clarify.In post 1305, Team RWBY wrote:Shining Dreamers:Can you be more direct? Who is copying you versus genuinely creating a townbloc/scumhunting vs creating a narrative? 1281
This game is filled to the brim with a lot of talented players who are somewhat competent at town and reasonable at understanding gamestates. Not everyone fits, but almost every slot fits due to almost every slot being a hydra and almost every hydra having a member who fits.
Most of those players are going to be town.
These players have all, more or less, come to the same conclusions. Their exact specific solves are different; their exact details differ from person to person. No two people have literally identical takes, but almost everyone has more or less the same sort of read overlap.
At this stage, it is incredibly difficult to differentiate between the people who happen to be town that came to these similar conclusions, and scum who formed the conclusions knowing it'd serve their agenda in some way to take those stances.
It's not outright impossible--but it's something I personally don't find worth the effort of trying. I'm satisfied with "most of these people are town, it's possible theyallare town" enough to not bother sifting through the specifics at this juncture. I happen to think they're all town, I happen to know me being incompetent my belief they're all town's probably wrong, but on D1, we're not in a position I feel is worth putting that much time/effort into sorting the specifics of where I'm likely right and where I'm likely wrong; the simple fact that MOST of these people are town is good enough for me.
To put it another way: I'd rather have a cohesive town that has deepscum not found, than a divisive town that's aiming for a townbloc without scum (which has devolved to infighting), right now.
I'm actually coming to the opposite conclusion, I think scum have more of an influence over the gamestate than you think they do even if it's not necessarily in a direct manner.
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it's pretty simple, actually.In post 1568, Shining Dreamers wrote:
Does this still apply after Wiisp left? 'Cause I'd be fully onboard with that read pre-leave. Post-leave takes a lil' bit of convincing tho.In post 1483, Team RWBY wrote:ftr I think there's good odds of scum being on the Skygazer wagon specifically, it's a lot less likely to be the case for the other wagons
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if your conjecture that town is collectively reaching a consensus is true... then what is the most obvious thing for scum to do?
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at this point, this might be true now that I've played one of my cards.In post 1570, Shining Dreamers wrote:
The problem with that is that there is never a realm where I kill anyone other than your slot N1.In post 1484, Team RWBY wrote:Shining Dreamers is town until proven otherwise; specifically, I think if the kills go exactly like the way I expect them to, she has pretty damn good scum equity actually
Your slot is nightkill-worthy on your merits alone.
But then to top it off you have KRAZY in there as well--who has a penchant for reading me "right for the wrong reasons".
...And while said scumreads are right for the wrong reasons, the reasons being wrong does not diminish the annoying tendency to still be RIGHT.
...Plus, said wrong reasons I don't expect to stay wrong for long. You know the times I've talked about my play with you, Ank? Now imagine that ten, twenty times more, minimum, and you get how much I've talked with Krazy about my play. Legit don't think there's any scummer I've had a more engaged conversation with about my meta, my mindset, my playstyle, my motivations, my philosophies, etc. We talked extensively after Anime UPick, we talked extensively after Anything UPick, we talked a little after games like schadd's mini normal and xyzzy's game, we've even talked about our numerous alts.
And the dude doesn't seem to forget the stuff I say, either--at least not all of it. Like. I have memory problems; I literally can't remember all the facts about players I play with, nor what facts I shared with what people. And I've fully expected him to forget about facts I've told him...to be surprised when he remembered them EVEN WHEN I HADN'T. Like, him making a casual reference to something I had completely forgotten about, in spite of me being the one to talk to him about it in the first place.
Obviously he's human, he forgets things, and he won't remember everything so in spite of me talking to him more than any other player about my playstyle realistically speaking my estimation is that in spite of all that he does remember he only retains about 50% of what I've told him...
...But 50% of what I've told him...
...When I've told him 200-400% more than I've told any other player...
...Is still 100-200% knowledge above the average scummer level.
So frankly if you survive to see D2, either my scumteam tried to kill you and failed due to lacking a strongman, or I'm town.
(Taly and Akarin are nonentities. Sorry mates, but you don't increase the threat and don't decrease the threat. Your contribution, I appreciate, but as scum I just wouldn't find it threatening.)
however, the way I'm reading this game, this slot is fundamentally outside of the nightkill list that scum would be looking into for tonight. If this slot DOES die night one, that is pretty indicative of either you being scum (in which case town NEEDS to nail you down to a specific reason why I'm wrong on this) or that I'm reading the game incorrectly.
And the problem with that? there are absolutely reasons to keep this slot alive that do not exist for a few other slots I can point to immediately, and I'm fully expecting that in most games with this playerlist, the kills would be more likely to go that direction than to outright snipe this slot immediately.
I can't tell immediately if you're scum trying to play dumb on this specifically or if you really are just town that is taking that approach; I can see both being the case here (and honestly see the town option more likely atm) and idk if I'll be able to nail it down specifically until I see what the N1 kill is sadly-
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In contrast, I think there's very few gamestates where we aren't policy-vigged at some point or alternatively paranoia mislynched.In post 1488, Team RWBY wrote:I think there's very few gamestates where you don't become a top kill choice before LyLo
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#softrollclaim
hope that I'm right then lol
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SD, why isSkysuch a strong scumread but why aren't you voting there? 824 1573 I'm finally getting through their ISO and I really... do not feelSkyis scum...
I'd elaborate, but I've yet to see a compelling case or post to engage with about why they're scum.
I don't even see the"awkwardness"argument, which in of itself, was weak and understated in the first place. The"busy"argument maybe, but that's NAI since I've seen hard-lynched town before for misconstruing a lack of attendance/effort to scum.
All the voteparkers there should put emphasis on campaigning for a lynch if they really do believeSkyis flipping scum. If this many people are confident in a read then why isn't there more being done?
I get this was several hundred posts ago - but who is your ideal person to vote/push/scumread right now?In post 1149, Skygazer wrote:dk i just wanna put pressure on someone but this isnt my ideal
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1599 -Wiisp, I'm good with the pace the thread is at now - hopefully people will have more time to think and place emphasis on reading.
But can you post-link all of your points onSkybeing scum? I get this is old-fashioned casing but it really helps my comprehension of bothSkyand the wagon.
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neatIn post 1604, Reasonably Clever wrote:
I'd be afraid of a repeat of the Anime U-Pick paranoia-fest, and unsure if I agree. The only "mastermind" type players in this list who I know are capable of playing in that fashion are myself, you/your hydra/GoT(with all it's MariaR heads)/and Shining Dreamers. So, 4/17 are capable, that's like a 30% chance of having *at least* one of those four slots ending up as scum. Which I guess is decent odds? Not much better than the odds of any one slot being scum initially through pure randing though.In post 1597, Team RWBY wrote:hey cerb
what would you think if I told you that I think there's good odds of scum having a mastermind this game
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So, since the math doesn't really work out...I have to ask if you think there's been evidence in the play of any of those slots so far to indicate manipulation?
Or if my math is off because I'm not giving credit to people as potentially masterminding the game who I should be giving credit to?
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that's another townread I can add to the pool
(no I think there is no mastermind this game, the gamestate does not support one existing atm)
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I'm open to being convinced on papyrus-town tooIn post 1620, Skygazer wrote:
Probably papyrus? But that vote didn't go anywhere and I don't want to vanity vote someone so I'll probably float back to SSIn post 1609, Team RWBY wrote:
I get this was several hundred posts ago - but who is your ideal person to vote/push/scumread right now?In post 1149, Skygazer wrote:dk i just wanna put pressure on someone but this isnt my ideal
someone should tell me why papyrus is town tho i rlly dont see it
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the person that wants more effort and organized arguments from the people pushing aIn post 1625, Wiisp wrote:
honestly I find in interesting that people don't want to move away from you or hot, like most of the votes on both of you have been blanket, but nobody wants to touch S_S when I think there are way more tangible reasons to wolf-read himIn post 1605, Skygazer wrote:hotlightning is still a bad D1 lynch and they seem kinda lynchbaity anyways
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oh...In post 1632, Wiisp wrote:
ok go talk to the people pushing the sky lynch, lmao? I want SS deadIn post 1628, Team RWBY wrote:
the person that wants more effort and organized arguments from the people pushing aIn post 1625, Wiisp wrote:
honestly I find in interesting that people don't want to move away from you or hot, like most of the votes on both of you have been blanket, but nobody wants to touch S_S when I think there are way more tangible reasons to wolf-read himIn post 1605, Skygazer wrote:hotlightning is still a bad D1 lynch and they seem kinda lynchbaity anyways
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excuse me? who are you again?skylynch. 1609 stop avoiding the question.
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I'm leaning onSkybeing town. What do you think about the wagon there and whySSat the moment?
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hi it's me againIn post 1634, Ankamius wrote:In post 1633, Team RWBY wrote:
oh...In post 1632, Wiisp wrote:
ok go talk to the people pushing the sky lynch, lmao? I want SS deadIn post 1628, Team RWBY wrote:
the person that wants more effort and organized arguments from the people pushing aIn post 1625, Wiisp wrote:
honestly I find in interesting that people don't want to move away from you or hot, like most of the votes on both of you have been blanket, but nobody wants to touch S_S when I think there are way more tangible reasons to wolf-read himIn post 1605, Skygazer wrote:hotlightning is still a bad D1 lynch and they seem kinda lynchbaity anyways
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excuse me? who are you again?skylynch. 1609 stop avoiding the question.
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I'm leaning onSkybeing town. What do you think about the wagon there and whySSat the moment?
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did you see my addendum to thatIn post 1643, Pink Ball wrote:
I'm still traumatized because of Anime uPick, let me think we will not have to bare another ego fight of the centuryIn post 1642, Team RWBY wrote:you signed up to play with me pink ball
you're getting this gameplay out of it
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@papyrusIn post 1654, Team RWBY wrote:why are you specifically asking me to join you on Sky rather than one of the other people in this hydra?
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I actually didn't realize until this exact post who you areIn post 1670, Papyrus wrote:
I don't like this post from you. I think you should know who I am at this point & I thought you'd help me have more influence over the game. Why aren't you helping me?In post 1666, Team RWBY wrote:
@papyrusIn post 1654, Team RWBY wrote:why are you specifically asking me to join you on Sky rather than one of the other people in this hydra?
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and regardless I actually didn't get a proper foothold in the game until just today after talking to taly for a bit, so :V
how confident is this Skygazer scumread?
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1) Shining Dreamers
2) Skygazer
3) Reasonably Clever
4) Chemist1422
5) Pink Ball
6) Game of Throws
7) Something_Smart
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this is roughly where I'm at, all of the crossed out being townreads other than Wiisp who is being given a pass for now
if you can get me roughly to where you are now, I'll work on getting the rest of the hydra on the same page too
at that point I think it should be pretty simple to push the lynch through
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I went from unsure to strong rowIn post 1678, Skygazer wrote:ank, does papyrus's identity affect ur read at all?
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I am going to avoid outing them but it's actually really obvious they're town once you do know who they areIn post 1692, Wiisp wrote:@Papyrus
I like how you are so self-aware of angle-shooting now, but it didn't even cross your mind before?
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I'm genuinely lost about... like everything about thisIn post 1702, Wiisp wrote:@blake
I'll barn that read then, but I can't agree on putting shining dreamers, S_S, or Clever
our slots, me, RWBY, and clever should never be voted today, but Clever has done nothing to be a town read
you wanna fence-sit on me, go ahead, but I won't allow clever to be anything but a "won't lynch today"
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because I'm evaluating what I see, and I can't agree on her abrasiveness on how she's putting the above people into her town list
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Did you like mine?In post 1698, Papyrus wrote:I thought I was advocating for the essays just fine?
Why haven't you written one yet, Sky?
@WiispFeels like you're trying to pick fights with people this last page or so, did you get anything out of people's reactions to you? Also what did you think of Brown Eyes' read on Neenie? Did that change anything for you?
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I was trying to find something to disagree with you about so I could make a "never knows best" joke but was worried I'd be starting something.In post 1707, Wiisp wrote:@Ruby
4. I haven't looked at Brown Eyes' since I went off on him, but I will find that post in question and answer you when I get a chance, maybe now, maybe not? I gotta leave for work soon, we are striking our company
Good luck with the strike.
Brown Eyes is a her, but I'm not just interested in your thoughts there but about Neenie as well. You asked Brown for her reasons for townreading Neenie earlier and I'm curious about your followup thoughts to that whole thing.
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since I apparently suck at althunting can you confirm you're not Performer?In post 1670, Papyrus wrote:
I don't like this post from you. I think you should know who I am at this point & I thought you'd help me have more influence over the game. Why aren't you helping me?In post 1666, Team RWBY wrote:
@papyrusIn post 1654, Team RWBY wrote:why are you specifically asking me to join you on Sky rather than one of the other people in this hydra?
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I'm like 85% sure new main theory is correct but I apparently seem to have been really off lol. That was my theory for a few days anyway
New theory makes a lot more sense
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Reminder this is the slot that got worked up I called them town because that was just too much confidence lolIn post 1686, Wiisp wrote:
for calling someones reads poor? Must have mixed up a game of mafia with something else, I'm sorry, ill go back to lurkingIn post 1685, Something_Smart wrote:
Don't be an asshole.In post 1683, Wiisp wrote:thats fine, your reads have been the poorest of the bunch, its to be expected
But now he's going to be condescending based on his pre-flip reads
I don't even know if wiiisp is scum or not but I can smell a personality conflict brewing lol
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I mean I apparently never had papyrus font installed so I was confused what people were complaining about, all I see is the all caps text that was screenshotted post font removal. Not sure why I don't have that font, I have no recollection of removing it. anyway I thought their coming off as kinda lost town read genuine-ish but idk, not a high strength read I guess.In post 1712, Shining Dreamers wrote:
It is indeed.In post 1574, Team RWBY wrote:is that group of 5 ordered? not sure why nomnom is below
nom's where they are because when you filter out their posting restriction, take a look at their contribution minus said restriction. I feel most people just went "oh posting restriction, moving on" without bothering to look further.
My read there's a reasonable scumread but I can see them as town. Don't think they are, but I can see it.In post 1574, Team RWBY wrote:I was wondering if your Neenie read was developed at all. I was starting to feel pretty good about a scumread there but then Ruby mentioned something which made me second guess myself.
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Oh dear god I'm not stealthed on this alt anymore, but do you realize that lecturing people on the term wifom does not help their read of you
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You have a grammatical tic that is actually shared with him that is otherwise uncommon on this site and that threw me off (how you use "&" )In post 1743, Papyrus wrote:
I'd like to think I don't sound anything like Performer?In post 1731, Team RWBY wrote:since I apparently suck at althunting can you confirm you're not Performer?
also I thought you'd go "wtf" when I asked if you wanted to get drinks when I was in town if you weren't performer LOL
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when would it not be a bad idea in that case?In post 1718, Shining Dreamers wrote:
Nope, didn't say that!In post 1579, Team RWBY wrote:you're saying that you believe it's more likely that town correctly has the game close to locked down?
I said that it's more likely that town has formed a cohesive unit--that doesn't speak to the accuracy of said unit.
The town players are all more or less saying the same thing. That's usually a sign ofinaccuracy, not accuracy--but what Idothink, is trying to break the town cohesion in spite of the town cohesion likely not being right, would be a bad idea on D1.
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fair enoughIn post 1721, Shining Dreamers wrote:
It is obviously to be a part of the consensus--the problem there, though, is that it's surface-level to assume that scum being part of the consensus were sheeping, were bandwagoning, said consensus. It is surface-level to assume that scum didn't partake in the initial formationIn post 1580, Team RWBY wrote:if your conjecture that town is collectively reaching a consensus is true... then what is the most obvious thing for scum to do?ofsaid consensus.
So just knowing scum were part of the consensus, doesn't in of itself help me because it doesn't point me to who they are, because I can't tell you where they are. I can guess. Earlyish > middleish > lateish, or maybe middleish > earlyish > lateish. Or maybe it's a mixture of both, where they're early in some spots and middle in others, with late being something they tend to avoid. But that's guesswork and something that I know if I go down the rabbit hole of--it'll have been a mistake to have done so.
That doesn't mean others going down that rabbit hole are making a mistake; I'm speaking about ME, PERSONALLY;mygoing down, I know would be a mistake. Because I know it'd do more harm than good if I did it.
I think I'm reading into it a lot more than you are, because the scumteam's strategy here seems to be pretty clear from where I'm standing atm :V
but one thing that CAN be expected from this... is that the consensus either directly helps scum in some way or doesn't really hurt them; you have stated earlier that there are enough strong scum slots in this game that it's actually quite likely that some of them rolled scum; are you worried at all that even if town is on a good track, scum can counter it to swing in their favor?
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who is this even directed towards?In post 1764, Game of Throws wrote:This "mafia mastermind" discussion is wildly anti-town, just like it was anti-town in the last game you tried to shove it down everyones throats (spoiler: you were wrong)
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popping in to say this head is both busy today and is not feeling askylynch, plan to voice more
^^hold me to this
also, it feels weird people are writing offhotas lynchbaity butsky'swagon has been largest running wagon and virtually began on page 1.
furthermore, the longer this dayphase lasts the less concrete reads people will hold. I don't want it to be D1 this time next week.
I feel pretty good about my to town list, may or may not voice yet. I'll lock my shit up when I find time and words ETA probably Monday?
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