Undertale Mafia (Endgame):

[Wiisp]

@SS
then you just die here

[Wiisp]

@SS
then you just die here

Do you always play as though you own the town?

YES I do, because I'd rather lose because I am wrong than lose because everyone else is wrong

@dann
no thanks, I'm not sitting on this fairy-tale bullshit, where bad play is ok, because of META, especially when I am trying to actually solve this game, and everyone one of my reads get fucking shit on

[Wiisp]

but Ill humor SS and when i get the time, Ill try to find a world, that works with both GoT and SS being town

[Wiisp]

YES I do, because I'd rather lose because I am wrong than lose because everyone else is wrong

While it is admirable that you want to be held accountable for your play, I don't think the rest of us are really too keen on losing because you are wrong

ya, well someone, or someones are always going to lose, and im not too keen on losing cause of other people, its the circle of life

[Wiisp]

I wonder how many more times people will ask Something_Smart for reads D1

so give me scum SS meta then, tell me what he does? from what I'm getting is he doesn't give reads as either alignment?

[Wiisp]

@Dann
whats your read on GoT? did you post it somewhere?

[Wiisp]

@SS
do you need lynches to actually be good at the game?

[Wiisp]

Anywhere you like that isn't roster, Papyrus, Wiisp, RWBY, Clever, HL, or me.

1) Shining Dreamers
2) Skygazer
4) Chemist1422
5) Pink Ball
8) Alonzo
9) The Worst
10) Vedith
11) Dannflor
13) Brown Eyes

so this is your PoE now @SS

[Wiisp]

@SS
then I guess your lynch works well for town regardless of your alignment...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Wiisp]

VOTE: Brown Eyes
#2363

[Wiisp]

@Brown
ok ill read your thoughts on Sky in a second, who else is in your PoE?

[Wiisp]

also, I feel as if there was too much complacency with sky's lynch early on, like unless mafia are all sitting there thinking, "hey if we don't react, everyone will just move elsewhere"

[Wiisp]

Deleted my post before posting it, god damnit

@Brown
so you think scum!vedith, hands out town reads like candy, which makes it harder for him to 180 on them?

[Wiisp]

if one person calls Roster town, without strictly telling me fucking why I swear I will actually freak out

Oh, and for the record: even if scum were thinking "if we don't react, everyone will just move elsewhere", they were correct. That actually did happen.

ya in the world where Sky is scum, which he hasn't flipped yet, so why are you equating your opinion with its actually being confirmed?

[Wiisp]

@brown
also to be fair, I think the latter half of Sky's posts have been less coasty, and I've liked her thoughts, so w/e

[Wiisp]

So, why is it that you're voting me, Wiisp? I'm not sure I remember any reason beyond "lots of words with no content", which I feel is fairly clearly not true.

ohh you think it's not true that's cool, I think the same with me, but hey we can't all be happy...
VOTE: unvote
fuck this game lol

[Wiisp]

VOTE: Something

[Wiisp]

So, why is it that you're voting me, Wiisp? I'm not sure I remember any reason beyond "lots of words with no content", which I feel is fairly clearly not true.

ohh you think it's not true that's cool, I think the same with me, but hey we can't all be happy...
VOTE: unvote
fuck this game lol

There's no need to be snippy. If you disagree, all you need to do is say why.

lol sorry, im not really that snippy

[Wiisp]

Wisp is super unsnippy lmao but I do have a good sense of his ~tone~

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Wiisp]

Curious of

Everyones

thoughts on shining, or have we collectively decided to leave them for another day, because there ISO is also extremely lacking

[Wiisp]

@RC
I think his defense of GoT makes no sense from any alignment...

[Wiisp]

VOTE: Got

[Wiisp]

@RC
I think his defense of GoT makes no sense from any alignment...

Yeah, I really don’t understand it either. I’m not convinced they are scum but I don’t see why anything they’ve done is townie either.

I may be equating reasons that lean more towards NAI behavior, as scum behavior when it comes to SS, sometimes I rush in to early, but yes I agree that he hasn't done anything particularly townie

[Wiisp]

@RC
I think his defense of GoT makes no sense from any alignment...

Yeah, I really don’t understand it either. I’m not convinced they are scum but I don’t see why anything they’ve done is townie either.

I may be equating reasons that lean more towards NAI behavior, then as scum behavior when it comes to SS, sometimes I rush in to early, but yes I agree that he hasn't done anything particularly townie

EDWOP

[Wiisp]

@SS
Are you ignoring ur own train? Also u didn't seem to imploy this with Hot's or Sky's train so I'm assuming u didn't have the same thoughts with their trains?

[Wiisp]

Ohh didn't read the last paragraph where you called ur own statement bullshit...

[Wiisp]

Those wagons existed for almost a week... What are you talking about...

[Wiisp]

VOTE: GOT

Do you have thoughts to go alongside this vote?

[Wiisp]

"At the very least, one conclusion I think is somewhat reliable that I came to earlier is that if Skygazer is scum, none of her scumreads have been on other members of the scumteam."

How did you come to that conclusion?

[Wiisp]

"At the very least, one conclusion I think is somewhat reliable that I came to earlier is that if Skygazer is scum, none of her scumreads have been on other members of the scumteam."

How did you come to that conclusion?

this is for Brown eyes, sorry I quoted it terribly, currently on mobile

[Wiisp]

I'm uneasy about the sudden turn on Brown Eyes by a number of people after I expressed suspicion when I initially perceived her as a pretty widespread town read.

Can you re-word this a bit? I'm confused at what you are trying to say

[Wiisp]

Define a number of people, cause I only see myself and RC if I'm not mistaken

[Wiisp]

I feel like I'm being treated as a demon, like all these people have these metas that people are reading them off of, and I'm just here, existing...

[Wiisp]

I think it is, and my meta is not just level 0 reads

[Wiisp]

I don’t think meta is being used to backup reads as often as you think it is and I wish you wouldn’t use that as an excuse when people criticize your sometimes level 0 reads, Wiisp.

lol, tbh I don't think anyone in this game can piss me off as much as Pap has done, I'm just disappointed in how people are reading me

[Wiisp]

@Dann
Why are you trying to push Brown towards me, while voting GoT?

[Wiisp]

@Dann
Why are you trying to push Brown towards me, while voting GoT?

I’m not doing that?

"HEY brown eyes you should check out Pap's case on Wisp"
What is the thought process in telling him to do that, especially when your seemingly happy with GoT, the train and person you should be actively trying to get him to look at

[Wiisp]

I still believe within my heart that Brown Eyes never flips town here...

[Wiisp]

VOTE: Brown eyes

[Wiisp]

@Brown
Because I really don't want to sit on a train that I know won't get traction...
What's your opinion on GoT?

Anyways I'm back again

[Wiisp]

@Clever
That was the same read I gave for Brown's town read on Neenie... TMI...

[Wiisp]

@rwby
I just pick a name out of a hat from my list of reds, and just vote that name

[Wiisp]

@Rwby
talk to me, I resonate with #2613 (even tho I am part of the problem) and #2624
also I dont scum read half the player base... rood

literally, just ask me a question and I will answer it

[Wiisp]

@Yang
#2630, ill bookmark that post, and answer it went I get a chance since I'm currently finishing a project
Pap reminds me a little of myself, where I kinda just throw out town leans, and scum leans, and eventually ill expand them and most likely get called stupid for them, I can also get a bit tunnely like he's doing right now
IDK who he is, I feel like I should, since his tone sounds like someone I know, I know I am town, and I'm more inclined to believe me and Pap are V/V

as for the rest of the reads, ill get to them, like I said, when I get a chance

[Wiisp]

Never seen Chelsea just roll over and die as scum... At least that's my take on this situation...

Complacency is the number one town killer as they say

@Clever
What are these super towny posts from SS?

[Wiisp]

One of the heads of GoT

[Wiisp]

I've played with Wisp a lot and I'm pretty sure they're town. Reading more as speak
~Nanami

Which head is saying this?

@yang
Threats aren't nice :'(

Chelsea from MU head
~Nanami

Idk what her name is on MS, but on MU the nanami head is chelsea

[Wiisp]

This train gotta be close to L2 or L1, need a VC

[Wiisp]

10mins an hour ago

[Wiisp]

@Mod
Bad mod lol

GoT is currently at L2

[Wiisp]

I wanted to vote roster... We could cfd it

[Wiisp]

lit
VOTE: Roster

[Wiisp]

Wisp do you think it's fair to say your towngame is a lot more energetic and focused than your scumgame?

Yes, if u were gunna meta read me, then yes. More sporadic, I'm quite self aware of my posts when I'm scum, I can still top post, but there's a lack of humor

[Wiisp]

I'll stick with Roster

[Wiisp]

Another train has formed, interesting, how exactly are you going to get us to vote SD?

@Clever
Don't think Roster has done anything, idk why you are getting so conflicted

[Wiisp]

Though the contradictions do kinda make him look townie...

[Wiisp]

Or scummy...

Lol...

[Wiisp]

She is not a threat as scum while I'm alive, so there's no reason to lynch them today.

-Blake

Who should we lynch? We don’t have a lot of time left.

? How much time we have left?

[Wiisp]

I don't think Clever is necessarily town, but that train is still wack

[Wiisp]

VOTE: reasonably cunning

If you build it, they will come.

If it wasn’t EoD, I’d probably prefer this over Roster.

u talking about urself or Alonzo?

[Wiisp]

@Alonzo
Do you care who gets lynched?

[Wiisp]

What's that suppose to mean...

[Wiisp]

VOTE: Alonzo

[Wiisp]

But ya this point, I just want a Lynch...

[Wiisp]

Yes
@yang

[Wiisp]

VOTE: unvote
Ya idk what I'm thinking anymore lol

[Wiisp]

I think there aren't many options anymore without a cfd at this point, which means we are probably going to hit a town today... :/

[Wiisp]

The lack of caring in his Lynch almost feels towny in a shit way, I really don't know, it feels like this is gunna come down to the worst of two turds, but towny turds

[Wiisp]

The lack of caring in his Lynch almost feels towny in a shit way, I really don't know, it feels like this is gunna come down to the worst of two turds, but towny turds

Yeah, I think we’re probably lynching town. If we hit scum, there’d be massive resistance by now.

To be fair, I think every train has hit a bit of resistance, not like this huge noticeable scummy resistance but resistance none the less

[Wiisp]

VOTE: HL

[Wiisp]

Chemist is my soul town read, so I'm not voting there, but y'all do you, it's mainly based on meta from the games I've played with him, as well as him being the polar opposite of his scum self in the game where I was scum with him.

[Wiisp]

Also I thought his response, to me calling him obvious town, was genuine

@rwby
When I'm not on mobile I will

[Wiisp]

VOTE: Wiisp

WAHT

it's ok my duckling, he's just confused and scared, don't fault him for his mistake

[Wiisp]

On a micro level that read list is quite ass if I do say so myself, but on a macro level the rwby slot has been exceptionally townie with her thoughts, would not Lynch today or anytime soon

[Wiisp]

We as a whole are all over the place, let's be honest here we are gunna mislynch...

[Wiisp]

blake's read list is great lay off her

Sure

[Wiisp]

i have a fair bit of deepwoofer paranoia but I'm not really sure where to start looking and like that doesn't mean people i scumread are necessarily town. just that i've probably fucked up somewhere.

Same, but you don't find and or Lynch deepwolves on day 1

[Wiisp]

If chemist flips scum I'll eat a fucking sock

[Wiisp]

Jesus Christ, do I just have too much empathy, can y'all stop making posts that appeal to emotions... I seriously am at a loss...

[Wiisp]

Jesus Christ, do I just have too much empathy, can y'all stop making posts that appeal to emotions... I seriously am at a loss...

Gonna sit on that fence all night?

I'm on the fence, are u fucking serious?

[Wiisp]

Wtf is happening right now

[Wiisp]

did you enjoy blakes reads?

@wiisp?

of who?

[Wiisp]

VOTE: Brown

[Wiisp]

VOTE: Brown

This was a good conversation.

I asked u a question yo your question, and you didn't answer, plus in a broad sense I already gave an answer, and I thought that reads list was poor

[Wiisp]

VOTE: Brown

This was a good conversation.

I asked u a question yo your question, and you didn't answer, plus in a broad sense I already gave an answer, and I thought that reads list was poor

what reads list was poor?

Blake's and this an A B conversation so C urself out...

[Wiisp]

i mean, i'm in the game so nah

Ya well the question wasn't directed towards u, and neither was my response, waste of space in the thread, where If you were reading instead of feeling sorry for your other head, you would know the answer

[Wiisp]

Sorry idk why I'm being a butt, I'm just at a loss

[Wiisp]

Idk what just happened... Did I miss something?

[Wiisp]

Sheep's can be town, and the wagon they are on can be scum
I don't get this correlation with chemist and rwby...

[Wiisp]

don't 'boi' me

I'm a lady

-Blake

Boi

[Wiisp]

ya know I'm not quite feeling this atm

UNVOTE: Chemist

-Blake

VOTE: Chemist

-Blake

boi

He's shook

There ain't no such thing as halfway crooks.

And nah, he's flipping town

[Wiisp]

@blake
Don't hurt me, I was kidding

[Wiisp]

How about 'not' lynching Chemist? Sounds like a fine idea to me

^^^

[Wiisp]

VOTE: hot

[Wiisp]

Bring back hots train

[Wiisp]

Dude I wanna compromise as well, but I'm not compromising on that chemist train

VOTE: vedith

[Wiisp]

~12 Hours left, EoD is gunna be a shit show

[Wiisp]

Mymoney says RWBY will abandon the chemist push.

ya well it's a bad wagon anyways

[Wiisp]

I'm joining the leading wagon with time running out, what are you doing?

U literally just voted chemist... What kind of shade is this...

[Wiisp]

Wiisp will vote chemist trust me.

The only way I'm voting chemist is if it's right before EoD and a he's at L1, and no one is voting

[Wiisp]

Is that a hard claim? No take backs?

[Wiisp]

VOTE: unvote

VOTE: roster

Not believing it is one thing, but we still aren't voting that claim

[Wiisp]

Why not?

Because we aren't voting a town investigation claim on day 1? Question mark, question mark? Not really a fan of your response

[Wiisp]

Do you think scum claims VT?

We’re not going to have any chance of lynching scum if we don’t lynch inv claim.

Obviously not, but still, we can look for inconsistencies on another day...

Also I don't get your last sentence

[Wiisp]

So you should evaluate it on whether you believe the claim.

And I’d like to know if you do, Wisp.

I will evaluate that slot eventually, but not today, whether I believe the claim or not, means nothing

I don't take mechanical claims for tonal or analytical reads, but day 1, ya, no

[Wiisp]

I'm not a fan of Vedith's "get fucked" posts towards Rwby or Roster, on another note...

VOTE: Vedith
Yall got some merit to your points

[Wiisp]

Half of us are playing off some bravado, including myself, "I won't get lynched today", cool story brah

[Wiisp]

I'm just shit posting like you are.
Why do you care what I care about if I'm scum?

What kind of strawmann is this shit?

[Wiisp]

Don't worry it's the same bunch of plebs posting.

Yikes, u are really convincing me

[Wiisp]

Don't worry it's the same bunch of plebs posting.

Yikes, u are really convincing me

That it's a bunch of plebs?

that you are arguing against your Lynch solely based on mechanics, and insulting us

[Wiisp]

Fuck man...

[Wiisp]

Who are these scum players?

[Wiisp]

I'm not arguing the insults bother me, I'm just arguing that stance isn't very townie

[Wiisp]

We are probably stuck on v/v trains like someone else suggested

[Wiisp]

@vedith
Well I'm not voting Rwby, who on a macro level has been trying to solve the game, we can argue roster though

[Wiisp]

@vedith
Well I'm not voting Rwby, who on a macro level has been trying to solve the game, we can argue roster though

When the fuck did I say vote RYBW?

who the fuck are you arguin then? I'm on mobile, it's a pain to go reread

I'm not voting chemist

[Wiisp]

I'm not voting chemist

Then I'll do what I did with RWBY.
Pretend I read what you said and move on.

Thanks \o/

that's fine, I could care less about your slot at this point if you are just gunna be a hard ass

[Wiisp]

VOTE: Roster
Back to this then

[Wiisp]

Lmao pink ball

[Wiisp]

VOTE: hot

i love how u’ve been on us because i called u out early. ur looking for easy wagons to push

I'm just looking for scum lol

[Wiisp]

Hot is so full of shit, why can't we Lynch him lmao

[Wiisp]

Ya contradictions, go tell everyone how townie they are

[Wiisp]

VOTE: Vedith
w/e

[Wiisp]

Well then...

[Wiisp]

Vedith openly claimed to be mafia, and voted himself, he is always dying now lmao

[Wiisp]

I haven't caught up yet but my panties WILL get in a bunch if we lynch Vedith

Let's go back to Chemist please

VOTE: danfloor

literally makes no fucking sense to vote dan here, over Vedith... what are you even doing

[Wiisp]

was that a hammer? lit

[Wiisp]

@Rwby
so i might have mixed up someone else with chemist in that game i said he was completely different, yikes
Chemist Iso, DBS Game #2
ya we can shoot chemist, or lynch him tomorrow

[Wiisp]

though that depends on Vedith's flip

[Wiisp]

@Rwby
so i might have mixed up someone else with chemist in that game i said he was completely different, yikes
Chemist Iso, DBS Game #2
ya we can shoot chemist, or lynch him tomorrow

wiiiisp

dont Wisp me.... im quite sure I mixxed u up with Scoobs from that game

[Wiisp]

if vedith is town then I'm blaming you for this :V

-Blake

Im already doing a fair share of that myself, right now, but I didnt really have time to go through that ISO of Chemist, because I was always on mobile, striking with my company, or doing homework

[Wiisp]

So no one is gonna say how bad Dann’s entrance was?

Says we shouldnt lynch Vedith
Votes Vedith, hammering him
Asks what made people switch off of Chem

I mean chemist can still be scummy... but like Dann obviously saw why Vedith needed to die

[Wiisp]

@Chemist
removing meta from the picture, why should I see you as town?

[Wiisp]

ha! ur really moonwalking on chemist now?

I thought you would be in pieces that nobody followed on Brown?

nah I don't care much anymore, Brown is in that place for people, where he's said enough thoughts, that look like they have the intention of game-solving, that he was never going to get lynched today

obviously, that's not how I feel about them, but /shrug

@Chemist
fair enough

[Wiisp]

and there goes a wasted night action...

[Wiisp]

and there goes a wasted night action...

What do you mean?

nothin of importance yet, I have no plans of claiming my role yet, im just a little frustrated

is SS the one who said he would kill rwby, or was it Shining Dreamers?+

[Wiisp]

VOTE: Something_Smart

L2P

@worst
nothing, im not going to wine that crap, i was just wondering why we are all voting SS, thought maybe that was why

[Wiisp]

Spoiler: Dreamer's Post

Shining Dreamers is town until proven otherwise; specifically, I think if the kills go exactly like the way I expect them to, she has pretty damn good scum equity actually

The problem with that is that there is never a realm where I kill anyone other than your slot N1.

Your slot is nightkill-worthy on your merits alone.

But then to top it off you have KRAZY in there as well--who has a penchant for reading me "right for the wrong reasons".
...And while said scumreads are right for the wrong reasons, the reasons being wrong does not diminish the annoying tendency to still be RIGHT.

...Plus, said wrong reasons I don't expect to stay wrong for long. You know the times I've talked about my play with you, Ank? Now imagine that ten, twenty times more, minimum, and you get how much I've talked with Krazy about my play. Legit don't think there's any scummer I've had a more engaged conversation with about my meta, my mindset, my playstyle, my motivations, my philosophies, etc. We talked extensively after Anime UPick, we talked extensively after Anything UPick, we talked a little after games like schadd's mini normal and xyzzy's game, we've even talked about our numerous alts.

And the dude doesn't seem to forget the stuff I say, either--at least not all of it. Like. I have memory problems; I literally can't remember all the facts about players I play with, nor what facts I shared with what people. And I've fully expected him to forget about facts I've told him...to be surprised when he remembered them EVEN WHEN I HADN'T. Like, him making a casual reference to something I had completely forgotten about, in spite of me being the one to talk to him about it in the first place.

Obviously he's human, he forgets things, and he won't remember everything so in spite of me talking to him more than any other player about my playstyle realistically speaking my estimation is that in spite of all that he does remember he only retains about 50% of what I've told him...
...But 50% of what I've told him...
...When I've told him 200-400% more than I've told any other player...
...Is still 100-200% knowledge above the average scummer level.

So frankly if you survive to see D2, either my scumteam tried to kill you and failed due to lacking a strongman, or I'm town.
(Taly and Akarin are nonentities. Sorry mates, but you don't increase the threat and don't decrease the threat. Your contribution, I appreciate, but as scum I just wouldn't find it threatening.)

@hot

[Wiisp]

Vedith

(9):

Team RWBY,

Rosterfoster,

Chemist1422

, Hot Lightning, Skygazer,

Wiisp

,

Vedith

,

Dannflor

, Alonzo
Rosterfoster (2): Reasonably Clever, Pink Ball
Skygazer (2): Brown Eyes, Shining Dreamers

Wiisp

(2):

Papyrus

, Something_Smart

Chemist1422

(1):

The Worst

Something_Smart (1):

Game of Throws

the extra greens are who I feel comfortable with, Dann was literally back and worth, I dont believe scum is that hedgy on me
I 180'd on chemist, but you know what, I think his responses are still towny
and I like worst, he just feels town

Probably 2 in this category[Clever, Pink, Brown, Shining] at minimum 1
High possibility that SS is scum
that leaves the rest of the scum in this category[Alonzo, HL, Sky, Roster]
still think its unlikely that Sky is scum with how long his train lasted

@Shining
doubtful that was a bread crumb, either way it doesnt matter

[Wiisp]

Vedith

(9):

Team RWBY

, Rosterfoster,

Chemist1422

, Hot Lightning,

Skygazer

,

Wiisp

,

Vedith

,

Dannflor

, Alonzo
Rosterfoster (2): Reasonably Clever, Pink Ball

Sky

(2):

Brown Eyes

, Shining Dreamers

Wiisp

(2):

Papyrus

,

Something_Smart

Chemist1422

(1):

The Worst

Something_Smart

(1):

Game of Throws

[Wiisp]

I gotta go finish homework...

[Wiisp]

You know that scum were given fakeclaims.

but you literally bread crumbed that you got food...

[Wiisp]

VOTE: Brown Eyes

[Wiisp]

@Shining
interesting statistics
how was comparing mulch/Josh, to Me/Pap, a slip? lmao

[Wiisp]

SS has more scum!equity then GoT imo

Speaking of which...guess who GoT was voting all. day. long. Yesterday?

and?

[Wiisp]

Yes but you got tem flakes right? Why would a role that's not Temmie give out tem flakes?

Hm, that's a somewhat compelling point.

--

You know that scum were given fakeclaims.

but you literally bread crumbed that you got food...

Yes. That's not a counterpoint. What I was saying was that the fact that he was claiming Temmie would not in itself confirm him given that a scum player could have been given Temmie as a fakeclaim.

That being said, his action is truthful.

how many characters in Undertale, do you believe would give out food, and be mafia aligned? I cant really think of any, and his claim coupled with the fact that his ability was confirmed by you, makes it more believable

[Wiisp]

Wiisp is scum because Wiisp was pushing Something_Smart yesterday yet now when there's a GUILTY on him, she's refusing to vote him.

theres no guilty on him

[Wiisp]

jesus Brown Eyes, and Shining, are really trying to drill this "SS Claim can still be scummy agenda" super hard

[Wiisp]

@Shining
you are chaining lynches... which is scummy as fuck

[Wiisp]

you're deluded to think RC is such a bullshit mod that town flavour is gonna be lolconfirmable and we'll just win via flavourgaming

I'm obviously papyrus. does that mean I'm locktown? no and nor should it

well your previous slot holder thought it was good enough...

[Wiisp]

@Shining
you are chaining lynches... which is scummy as fuck

It's only chaining lynches if the lynches flip red

what?

and I see what Shining is talking about now
VOTE: Something

[Wiisp]

Wiisp. Did you... not realize that GoT was a weak hider?

What did you think the context of this discussion was?

no idea, I didnt really get the whole "outted scum" stuff, I skimmed over both of their role pms, it wasnt until Shining put them together that I noticed was he was talking about

[Wiisp]

this whole conversation makes so much more sense now, and the votes...

[Wiisp]

Hey hold on wait a minute.

Optimal hider play is to target town. Confirming multiple town is stronger than confirming a single scum especially without a CLEAR crumb.

I'm sure Maria/Dunn/GiF know this. I also seriously doubt that they would intentionally try to die in a way that might make their scumread look suspicious when they could just stay alive and lynch them.

well she really wasnt trying to live either, seeing how she played day 1, and didnt care when her train was put up... unless someone wants to come out and say they shot the counter wagon, which I doubt

optimal play for her, as a weak hider, is making sure people have an idea of who she would target, in the case of her death, since its basically a red check

[Wiisp]

they did crumb targeting you

I said clear. Saying my name is not a clear crumb.

I beg to differ, Chelsea is a smart player, and she knows how to efficiently play mafia based on w/e role she is, she voted you all day and strictly pointed you out only, thats a bread crumb

the only other world you can push here, is that the one where Shining Dreamers is scum, and he planned to push this from the start, which would require either mafia to have two kp, or 1 kp in which they shot someone with high scum!equity just to bury you...

[Wiisp]

if SS is mafia, the wolves are just letting him die here it seems

[Wiisp]

This post would be a selfhammer if I were scum.

wot

[Wiisp]

@Something_Smart
last ditch effort to provide really thoughts, or are you gunna go down like Vedith? if you are town I mean

[Wiisp]

@Something
like reads? not that non-sense

[Wiisp]

oh no

the facade has ended

:3

[Wiisp]

I want to lolhammer extremely badly but that's probably a terrible idea

So what exactly was the soft guilty on SS I've lost the entire train of thought for this game

GoT had a hard on for him, and assumptions (which usually tend to be wrong), say she probably targeted SS, killing herself, meaning hes a red check

[Wiisp]

@SS
do you think Mastina is scum?

[Wiisp]

@Shining
in a world where both SS and Clever are scum, im glad you think that I just hedge them just for the sake of distancing
you are quite scary when you get serious...

[Wiisp]

Shining Dreamers reminds me of Sir Chris from MTGS, like his reads can be godly, and I don't doubt his read on SS or Clever, clever was in my PoE because of the same fluffy bullshit, he pointed out, like Clever has all this content, but also not really?
I'm waiting to see if you fall under, the player that pushes inaccurate reads, or the one that pushes accurate reads

[Wiisp]

Shining Dreamers reminds me of Sir Chris from MTGS, like his reads can be godly, and I don't doubt his read on SS or Clever, clever was in my PoE because of the same fluffy bullshit, he pointed out, like Clever has all this content, but also not really?
I'm waiting to see if you fall under, the player that pushes inaccurate reads, or the one that pushes accurate reads

mastina is a massive wildcard
her reads improve when she's caught up and engaged though in my experience

she's also town for a few reasons

ohh I didnt say she wasnt town

[Wiisp]

Nice, now we're only like 95% to die tonight

For the record, anyone claiming a protective who claimed they didn't protect Team RWBY is scumclaiming.

I don't care if they're not actually scum, it's a scumclaim because not protecting Team RWBY as a doctor N1 if you had the power to do so automatically makes you honorary-scum and the scum MVP for having fucked the town over.

yikes...

[Wiisp]

I think the worst is town, and i know im town, so RIP

Ank would be ticked if these were blindly sheeped or rather selectively sheeped...which means she's probably going to be ticked because I am doing exactly that by saying that this list likely does contain some scum but not all the scum.

(Ank, scale 1 to 10, how tilted are you at my antics right now? )

honestly, im tilted from some of your posts, but im also an arrogant player, so keep doing you

[Wiisp]

@Clever
do people on this site actually see contradictions as a scum tell? I remember reading an old article on the matter in the wikia, but it always seemed like a complete contradiction to how I was told wolves play, and how I've seen them play
if anything its more so nai, and the personality of the player holds a lot of merit in the read

[Wiisp]

there isnt much content coming from him the first place, hes more or less in the same boat as Clever, except with the added benefit of having a possible red check on him based on mechanics which may or may not be true, with it being closer to truth than the latter
I ask him for his finishing thoughts, and he just mutters some bullshit

[Wiisp]

@Clever
wait, are you still talking about the whole lynch proof shit? I'm quite sure that was a fallacy you created to give some merit to voting him, or at the very least its overblown

[Wiisp]

let's pretend you're not a guiltied wolf for a moment

do you honestly not see what's produced this result?

People conflating "likely" with "definitely" and confusing a soft guilty for a hard guilty, then confbiasing and ignoring all evidence to the contrary.

question, if the this "likely" thing didnt exist, is there much of a reason to not scum read you anyways? all this did was put ur chances of being scum, up higher, while you came in with your claim making you lock town, which funny enough, you actually stopped parading it around, when it supposedly locked you as town

[Wiisp]

@Smart
its like 1 am, and I'm tired...

[Wiisp]

@Smart
its like 1 am, and I'm tired...

[Wiisp]

Interesting

[Wiisp]

@shining
Interesting posts on me

[Wiisp]

Honestly, I think SD is putting to much merit on the claim, but there is still plenty of reasons to think you are scum

[Wiisp]

Gamestate is stagnating 6 hours into the day lul.

Duck, after what mastina said are you willing to lynch her tomorrow if I flip town?

I'll hard reevaluate a lot of you flip town. Right now I'm getting paranoid pings you guys might be distancing. :/

Nah, it's doubtful with how gung go shining is pushing this Lynch, and if they were W/W she could just push me or RC

Also day 2 started at a weird time, and I don't care much about the current game state

[Wiisp]

I'm just trying to evaluate his claim b/c brown eyes did get an item that's solely connected to that flavor, and that flavor is more likely to be town, also the ability seems completely useless on mafia, unless they have strong roles to compensate for it

@SS
why did you choose Brown?

@alonzo
Why did you vote Dann at EoD yesterday?

[Wiisp]

@chemist
Agree, but with that thought, shouldn't u be voting him?

[Wiisp]

I agree solving around him being scum without a flip is a big hot waste of time and that we need to lynch the guilty

Ya tell that to Shining

Do you agree that Clever and SS have higher possibilities of being scum? If so, who would you say has a chance of being the last two, if not, where are you at?

@shining
Can u instantiate on why Vedith vote was scummy? And I'm long past the point of thinking Pap is scum, that mulch/josh comparison was premature, and if I was scum, I would kinda lock myself as scum, for the most part, if Pap flipped blue

[Wiisp]

I forgot how fast this game goes. Can someone tell me why SS is guilty?

GoT was a weak hider, and his posts point to him most likely using it on SS, which in that world, SS is a red check basically

[Wiisp]

VOTE: unvote
For now

[Wiisp]

VOTE: skygazer

I doubt very much the neighbourhood was TvTvT, and I dont think its HL pocketing Sky in this instance

There's also a lot of neighbors in this game
You think at an individual level, that HL is townier than sky? I think it's weird to decide who to vote in a neighborhood of 3 based on something as simple as "pocketing"

Can you show me the posts that give you this triangle of thought?

Also nothin says they can't all be town

[Wiisp]

So we shouldn't assume they can be all town, but we can assume the opposite, because your version of how the mod would balance a game is absolute? It's just piss poor mod gaming, and honestly a neighborhood of 3 will create enough wine, which creates this train of thought, which will lead to back and fourths like this.

Also don't get what sheeping has to do with anything?

[Wiisp]

Why do you TR the pair of them?

I think they can both be town, or one of them could be scum, leaning towards HL, without the need to base it off how the mod decides to balance a game

[Wiisp]

Also think that of shining is town he might be correct on your alignment being closer to scum than town

[Wiisp]

Why do you TR the pair of them?

I think they can both be town, or one of them could be scum, leaning towards HL, without the need to base it off how the mod decides to balance a game

HL iso is awful, sky is fluffy. Neither were fully engaged day one and both made a shit call at the end of the day. I'd happily lynch both.

Meh, I think there are more real thoughts coming from sky than there are coming from HL

[Wiisp]

Also think that of shining is town he might be correct on your alignment being closer to scum than town

DGAF

Same

[Wiisp]

VOTE: skygazer

I doubt very much the neighbourhood was TvTvT, and I dont think its HL pocketing Sky in this instance

There's also a lot of neighbors in this game

You think at an individual level, that HL is townier than sky? I think it's weird to decide who to vote in a neighborhood of 3 based on something as simple as "pocketing"

Can you show me the posts that give you this triangle of thought?

Also nothin says they can't all be town

This is not something I believe anyone was aware of.

-Cerb

think of it as subtle hint to what I possibly am

[Wiisp]

Hey Wiisp, what're your current reads?

idk, gotta leave my options open since you think Im a wolf, and that's what wolves do

[Wiisp]

I'm starting over, Wiisp.

this was an answer I did not expect, breathe of fresh air from your slot. I can put together a list of reads when I get a chance

[Wiisp]

@pap
Where are you at, btw?

[Wiisp]

@shining
Even if you are wrong, I don't think you are wrong in a scummy way, if that makes sense? Meaning if SS flipped town I wouldn't just come for your head...

Mechanically/flavor-wise I think SS is town, ignoring mechanics and flavor, he's not really that townie, but like I'm so fucking hesitant right now

I think it's weird that scum didn't just go for the quick hammer, which makes me kinda think he is town

Or I'm wrong, who knows

[Wiisp]

@shining
What kind of guilty was it?

[Wiisp]

Wot is going on...
@shining
How bout, we give it one more day? And see how n2 evaluates? Or are you too stubborn for that? Or at least let's see how this day goes?

I still want to try to evaluate Clever today, I think he has one of the higher scum!equities

[Wiisp]

Wiisp, what's your read on Shining & Alonzo?

Give me like 30mins, when I go on break, I'm doing stuff right now

[Wiisp]

It's the same old 'There cannot be a guilty on SS because I townread him and thus I refuse to lynch him. Anyone who thinks otherwise is obviously dumb or scum themselves, hurr durr.'

I'm definitely not saying that, who even is?

[Wiisp]

I'm going to set this straight, I think GoT was most likely killed by his own ability, and evidence does slightly push towards SS, but it's not that fucking concrete

Go tell me why he's scum, without focusing on GoT's role flip

[Wiisp]

Yikes...
We are most definitely not lynching Shining, this is a false dichotomy

[Wiisp]

Everybody slow the fuck down...