Starcraft Mafia: Legacy of the Void [Game Over]

[Moongrass]

Morning.

Skimmed to page 16 so far: shadow, shiro, and volxen can be scum.

Wouldn't bet on it right now though considering the amount of people agreeing on the same reads.

Lurker/replacing slots make it hard to whittle it down. I intend to offer something more tangible shortly.

[Moongrass]

Volxen's posts seem stiff, that's my insanely deep insight into the "why."

Further, I dislike the amount of meta in her arguments. Meta is used to hedge and is prepackedfaketownhunting gold for scums.

Pedit hi RCE. Feel free to judge at your convenience

[Moongrass]

Well...yahmosely do now?

[Moongrass]

Lol nevermind. I think that was mostly for my own amusement.

Liger can you explain a little bit about your read on FL following the 1v1?

[Moongrass]

I think one of FL-Liger is scum though

I'd be inclined to lean toward the former with a cheeky side-bet of both.

[Moongrass]

My reasons are SO big and SO complicated your mind couldn't even process it. Sad.

On a more serious note Chen can go on the scumwatch.

[Moongrass]

Liger are your scumreads just A50, volxen and shiro at present?

[Moongrass]

Caught up now

Town: Alchemist, Liger, RCEnigma, Vedith, Powerpuffs

Scum: Chennisden, Shadowless, Shiro

- Hydra

Cool, let's be friends who are both town.

Pedit Do you tend to townhunt more than scumhunt?

[Moongrass]

Ok thank you. Sorry for my entrance spam, I'm off for now.

[Moongrass]

I also am scum reading alchemist.

Anyone else scum reading alchemist?

Why?

[Moongrass]

VOTE: Chenn sorry PPG I'm not feeling the Volxen lynch and Chenn is begging for it.

We can all help VOTE: Cerb

What was this vote on Chen?

[Moongrass]

VOTE: Shiro

[Moongrass]

FL, hydra, PPG, Cerb, Ico, A50, Vedith probably town.
Liger, RCE, U2 maybe town.
I don't care about lynching the rest today.

[Moongrass]

FL is shiro lynchbait?

[Moongrass]

Yeah I can do shadow. Why did the early wagon on him disintegrate on them again?

[Moongrass]

Vote:Liger

This is scum. That back and forth with flavor and the way he backed away with (tell me to ignore you bs) was beyond awful

More votes on this ^

Nah you are the scum here tryin got go for the easy target

Something about these really bothers me but I'm unfamiliar with this player so if it's known they come off scummy I'm ok jumping on the next decent wagon.

[Moongrass]

pagetop

You are in this game?

Ohhh backup moderator.

This might be a bit of a stretch but I think this is likely a towntell assuming the scum team would have had some interaction with both mods.

[Moongrass]

VOTE: Shadow

[Moongrass]

FL, it seems a little off in terms of tone considering the whole ISO. Like trying to look like someone contributing because it looks good rather than because it's something they believe or have worked their way into believing. I find your hard defense of them based on 2+ year old meta...interesting.

RCE, you sound good but you're not walking the walk. You had great points and great reason to vote chen but literally jumped off before your vote could have had any effect. I appreciate the desire to sort Cerb, though he seems like the type of player who will be easier to sort further down the track. Pressure voting cerb is unlikely to have any effect. So I'm a little lost on your intent behind those votes.

[Moongrass]

Pint, you make a great PPG.

[Moongrass]

The 2+ year old meta is something I remember, but it’s more than that. I also have a strong gut feel, and Shiro’s pushing the same exact stuff I was pushing, so I legit see it.

I like this. Can you talk a bit more about your Liger read? Does my comment on the town tell sway you at all?

[Moongrass]

I really felt like Moon was lynch-shopping but his reads match my own and his Shadow vote is not bad.

Good gooood.

[Moongrass]

Maybe I was wrong on Cerb?

[Moongrass]

Wisdom can still die.

[Moongrass]

Wisdom can still die.

That would be a terrible lynch, even if his claim didn't seem legit.

Please enlighten me.

[Moongrass]

VOTE: Cerb

[Moongrass]

Nothing wisdom pulls out of his hat is going to convince me that the shadow slot is not scum. That iso is obvious wolf and y'all are blind or starstruck if you can't see it.

[Moongrass]

I'd be more afraid of his scum skills surviving than losing his town skills. Just saying.

[Moongrass]

sorry you feel that way
maybe when im conftown youll reconsider

Is there an ETA on this so I can sleep easy?

[Moongrass]

Ok...but like there's no need to analyse a slot that's already pretty obvious scum. Changing a player doesn't change the alignment...but I digress.

[Moongrass]

I'm confused about how a bp claim can become confirmed town. I'll be patient.

[Moongrass]

To be fair I do like the alchemist and PPG scum reads from wisdom as they break from the mould.

Rereading alchemist, I can see it but unsure on PPG.

[Moongrass]

Fairly confident URAP and Liger are not scum.

[Moongrass]

Since I'm very sure FL and A50 aren't scum. I'll sheep them. Can we not lynch liger today though?

[Moongrass]

VOTE: Volxen

[Moongrass]

With 3 days left until day end we should probably run someone up to L-1 soonish.

[Moongrass]

I'm not really impressed with the volxen hydra attempt to look like they weren't prodging.

[Moongrass]

If anything I think those wisdom quotes look like whiteknighting more than defending a scum bud. I think Volxen is better than what they're currently contributing though so I'm happy with the pressure there.

RCE appears to have played with volxen before so it would be good to get their take on it.

[Moongrass]

Thanks for the link PPG. I can see your perspective however I do see some difference in his style here, plus I'm interested to see how tomorrow goes since wisdom assumes he's surviving and being confirmed.

[Moongrass]

Thanks for the link PPG. I can see your perspective however I do see some difference in his style here, plus I'm interested to see how tomorrow goes since wisdom assumes he's surviving and being confirmed.

Moongrass, the plan to resolve Wisdom probably won't work.

-Bubbles

How do you mean?

[Moongrass]

Noted.

[Moongrass]

Honestly volxen some vague reads would be enough to make me move at this point but just give us something more than a chen scumread.

[Moongrass]

Ftr I agree with the Chen scumread.

[Moongrass]

Votecount 1.7

Volxen MJL Combo Pack(5)

~ Powerpuff Girls(115), u r a person 2(39), Iconeum(50), chennisden(27), Moongrass(37)

Shiro(5)

~ Hydra TBD(26), Liger_Zero(134), Wisdom(72), Alchemist21(50), Almost50(59)

Moongrass(1)

~ Vedith(120)

Liger_Zero(1)

~ Shiro(11)

chennisden(1)

~ RCEnigma(77)


Not Voting (3): Volxen MJL Combo Pack(13), Flavor Leaf(126), Cerberus v666(19)

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-04-23 14:38:00)

MOD REMINDERS

Volxen MJL Combo Pack needs a prod. The last post was at: 4/17/2019 4:53:00 PM which was 2 days 8 hours 11 minutes 14 seconds ago.

FLAVOR

FL why are you not voting?
Vedith can you try voting scum?

[Moongrass]

VOTE: MaryJoLisa

Okay

Oh the vedith vote was supposed to be on MJL I think.

[Moongrass]

Vedith, Flavor Leaf, Almost50, Iconeum, u r a person 2, Powerpuff Girls.
Liger_Zero, RCEnigma, Hydra TBD.

------ Lynch line
Alchemist21, Volxen MJL Combo Pack, Shiro.
Wisdom, chennisden, Cerberus v666.

Shiro/wisdom/cerb will likely be easier to sort with some flips and more information.

Happy to lynch in alchemist, chen or volxen as things currently stand.

[Moongrass]

Hey pops.

[Moongrass]

Wisdom/shiro seem svt.
If wisdom were to flip red I'd assume shiro town and rethink the liger townread. If wisdom is town I'd read alchemist red and Liger green. Shiro maybe red. But not as strong a read as a wisdom red flip.

[Moongrass]

Moon what exactly did you read as SvT between us? I am really curious to know.

I feel like your perspectives are so opposite that you're not TvT and wisdom rekindling the suspicion on you says it's not SvS. I do find both slots scummy so I think it's likely at least 1 of you are scum. I want to say FL is right that you're lynchbait and as I've said I believe things will become clearer with some more info.

[Moongrass]

To be clear it's more of a PoE of possible relationships between scumreads than a particular interation that makes me think it's TvS.

[Moongrass]

I like shiro taking a hard stance on their main scumread. If I really believe someone is scum I'll vanity vote them while biasedly looking at that persons motives.

[Moongrass]

Liger what is it that makes you think Shiro isn't reading? What specifically do you think they're missing?

[Moongrass]

Pretty sure wisdom is scum.

[Moongrass]

VOTE: Chen

[Moongrass]

Volxen wagon:
Powerpuff - Lots of noise in thread. Heads don't seem to be in agreement or they are all playing separately. Was meh on their whole case on Volxen. I almost want to dissect it, but too lazy too right now. Wasn't impressed with it, but didn't make me think volxen was more town or scum. No idea on powerpuff alignment except buttercup seems self delusional.

This is pretty bad. If wisdom does flip red I'd be looking at liger next.

[Moongrass]

How did you tie me to Wisdom with that post?

Magic. On the hypothetical future red flip of wisdom I'd be most interested in you because he derailed suspicion of you on his entrance. The post reminds me that your inclination to fence sit on volxen is scummy. It wouldn't take much for you to take a stance on such a controversial player if you were interested in lynching correctly. You seem to prefer pushing the one person still tunnelling you.

[Moongrass]

Moongrass you seem to make theories and then make up reasons for it later, and its weird because you should be building evidence and then make a theory that supports it because the backwards approach looks bad.

How I look doesn't concern me. Nor does your attempt at discrediting my ideas. If anything, I feel like you've confirmed my suspicions.

[Moongrass]

I post my ideas to voice my opinions. I don't really care if they make sense to others.

I find your hyperdefensiveness suspicious.

[Moongrass]

A meta sample of 1 isn't going to help you Liger. I appreciate the curiosity though.

[Moongrass]

Are you going to answer my question about what you think the difference between this game and that game is or you just going to continue on with this narrative that I am trying to shade you?

Cause frankly I am not sold on you being scum. I just found that exceedingly odd that you played that game so drastically different.

Oh I didn't see a question. I play in character to make things more amusing for myself.

In regards to you shading me - that isn't entirely accurate. I meant that it was suspicious that you attacked how I presented my ideas rather than really considering what it was I was saying about your hesitation to provide a stance on volxen.

[Moongrass]

I was saying about your hesitation to provide a stance on volxen.

Expand. I also asked about this earlier ftr.

I did. You didn't seem interested in sorting volxen but have waffled on about how you null read them. I'm not looking to get into a debate with you right now.

[Moongrass]

you guys are great. If FL/A50/vedith agree to lynch wisdom today, I'll help. I think that's unlikely though.

[Moongrass]

My reasoning is for town not to waste actions. It is that simple.

Instead you sacrifice town's strongest role? I'm confused.

[Moongrass]

I think I know whats going down, I'm just conflicted on his play. I'll stop pushing.

[Moongrass]

I disliked the protoss talk early game. It might be worth looking at later on.

[Moongrass]

RCE you still think Chennis is scum right?

[Moongrass]

Someone vote Chennis

You could?

[Moongrass]

VOTE: Volxen

[Moongrass]

Chen are you missing a couple of words from your role title?

[Moongrass]

Any interested in an alchemist flashwagon?

[Moongrass]

I don't want to lynch Chen so can we please lynch elsewhere?

[Moongrass]

If it helps anyone I think the claim is legit. Never seen ascetic and JK combined though.

[Moongrass]

If it helps anyone I think the claim is legit. Never seen ascetic and JK combined though.

its not ascetic, its asceticize

like, his target becomes ascetic

I meant that. I've not seen that, like what benefit is there in asceticizing someone who is protected by a JK? Unless the ascetic effect lasts longer than the JK which chen might have been trying to explain.

[Moongrass]

jk protects from kills

ascetic protects from everything else

Oh ok thanks, I understood JK to work differently.

[Moongrass]

I don't mind soft claiming to save Chen. I am the even night variant of his role hence I believe them to be town.

[Moongrass]

Really? I suppose you are the ones with the setup experience here. I'll withdraw my defense.

[Moongrass]

VOTE: Chen

[Moongrass]

I think it's L-2 on Chen.

[Moongrass]

Well...that was stupid...

VOTE: Iconeum

[Moongrass]

Ico's EOD is scummy. To put it mildly..

It's that panic post scum feel obliged to contribute about how disintered they were in the town wagon after someone hammers.

I should probably be lynching in wisdom/cerb for blatantly lying about the odd/even thing but Ico has pretty much scum claimed so yolo.

[Moongrass]

Disinterested^^

[Moongrass]

It would likely be more productive and gratiating to hold a grudge for a day phase or two.

I instinctively felt that claim was town based on my own role. I should have stuck to my guns instead of letting the wolves herd me like a sheep.

[Moongrass]

I'm guessing scum didn't kill me because my reads were off. I used my action on Ico if that means anything.

VOTE: Liger

I'm increasingly paranoid about cerb, especially after the FL kill.

[Moongrass]

A50, URAP, Alchemist, hydra, shiro are my current town block.

[Moongrass]

Why hydra?

His posting reads obvious villa to me.

[Moongrass]

It's not that I find you scummy, I just find you incredibly hard to read.

[Moongrass]

A50 my role isn't exactly the same as Chen, in fact it's much weaker. He had a character that made sense as my alternate and abilities that also made sense aside from the Alien thing. Ideally I wouldn't have to spell this out and lure the kill with a vaguer claim but if it gets you reading me correctly I suppose it's worth it.

I really like the pops recent posts. Cerb is still meh, I expected better than obligatory obvious mechanical posts. I agree that liger claiming cop as scum makes less sense than him doing so as town, however he has dug a hole for himself with the gambit that I'd rather resolve than let lie.

Volxen and Iconeum still make me nervous.

[Moongrass]

Cerberus v666: Still town. He was an early voter on the Wisdom wagon

This is part of my scum read of Cerb. Alchemist claimed a guilty which it took people (assuming town) slightly more time to consider. Wouldn't a wolf already know that their team member was caught and join the wagon quickly rather than later?

[Moongrass]

After Wisdom replaced, it got exceedingly difficult to lynch there.

I agree with this. Thinking back, iirc it was the masons who didn't want him lynched which isn't much of a lead. I think people were just starstruck. I may relook at that resistance.

Why is Shiro town again? I seem to have forgotten.

[Moongrass]

Wisdom can still die.

That would be a terrible lynch, even if his claim didn't seem legit.

Please enlighten me.

May have to double check my pops read.

Town: {Liger, Hydra, urap2, Icon, FL}
Nulltown: {Vedith, Almost, Moongrass}
Null: {Volxen, Cerb, Alch}
Nullscum: {RCE, PPG, chennis, Shiro}

Pretty sure RCEnigma is town

This tells me liger/wisdom aren't w/w. Also looking at the reads increases my suspicion on Iconeum and decreases suspicion on RCE, Volxen maybe Shiro. I think the eyes are likely to be higher in the list so Vedith/Ico are reasonable candidates. A side serving of suspicion on Cerb remains.

[Moongrass]

Liger is dangerous because if he is the eyes, then it explains the weird openwolfing connections were they both defended each others claims.

[Moongrass]

UNVOTE: I think BP is a scummy claim regardless. But it can be tested tomorrow so there are better options probably. Not named Liger preferrably.

Then we can let an investigative handle it tonight and have vig shoot elsewhere.

Looks like you already answered this question... Why are you so keen on using town powers of which you don't even know for sure they exist to clear a slot you find scummy?

Both a vig and an investigative are better used elsewhere, and I find the lack of pushing on what you describe as a scummy claim interesting.

Hmm. VOTE: Iconeum

I just remembered that I used my role on Iconeum so he's not the eyes but his ISO makes sense as scum.

[Moongrass]

Iconeum I'm open to your reason for that. On a sidenote, if there's a deep wolf I think it's pops.

[Moongrass]

and remember, i could have made this easy on myself by just sheeping the liger wagon.
I choose not to, and actually defend him

You act like wisdom didn't do the same thing.

[Moongrass]

That's a better point. I'll worry about that after a flip.

Do you have any strong reads?

[Moongrass]

Ico, to be clear, you're scummy but unlikely to be the main killing scum. That doesn't mean you're not scum. A lot of your ISO makes sense, as RCE pointed out, the hedging on wisdom was pretty bad. What I quoted is the needle that broke the camels back. It reads that after you hedge on wisdom, you attempt to redirect town roles from looking into him because it would be useless somehow. I'm also still adamant that your EOD1 push on me was a scum claim.

On volxen, it doesn't make sense that wisdom jumps on that wagon unless it's distancing that he knows won't go through. That's not how I'm interpreting it.

[Moongrass]

Did you see my quote above? That 'wow Moon this looks pretty bad' is the full extent of said 'EOD1 push on you'.

Yes that's what EOD1 stands for...end of day 1. You effectively town spewed chen after the hammer and before the flip by trying to shade me there.

[Moongrass]

In other words it was clear you knew he was flipping town so you made sure to shade me for my vote on him before he flipped. It's a classic scum mistake to setup the next lynch on a green flip. It makes sense for scum to shade me there and not kill me.

[Moongrass]

Ur actually scum and you got caught lol

If you believed this you would've voted me by now instead of "what about"ing me. Your words and actions have done two different things the whole game.

[Moongrass]

VOTE: Moon

Well I should have read the last page...I retract my last post but still maintain you're scum.

[Moongrass]

I'm not an alien as previously mentioned.

[Moongrass]

A50, do you think Iconeum is town?

[Moongrass]

Pretty sure hydra and URAP are town.

[Moongrass]

I mean I would go any of Ico/hydra/combo before pops.

Why tho?

[Moongrass]

Yes, you should claim!

Fenix the bulletproof.

My "2" flavors are before and after my body was killed lol

i blame you vedith

This seems more likely to be SvS than any other type of interaction imo.

[Moongrass]

Pretty sure hydra and URAP are town.

Why Hydra?

I've said his posting appears obvious town to me. Each time I read his ISO I don't see any scum intent. I'm absolutely more suspicious of other slots.

What is it you're seeing?

[Moongrass]

I still suspect Ico but interested to see what happens if I VOTE: Pops

[Moongrass]

Or...we could all just lynch Iconeum. Also, at some point Cerb needs to stop getting a free pass.

[Moongrass]

Pops I don't think you and Liger are TvS and that's not how I interpreted A50/alchemists push on you either. If you flip town it wouldn't incriminate Liger any so that point seems a bit strawmanish.

[Moongrass]

We're not lynching volxen.

[Moongrass]

Unless Cerb is the eyes and we can't lynch him then Volxen is not the eyes and we need to lynch somewhere I'm townreading or work out what the player order means to figure out why I'm still alive.

[Moongrass]

It's weird that A50 was left confirmed as well...I think it's unlikely wisdom does an all town scum tier.

[Moongrass]

So did Wisdom distance push on Shiro knowing his slot was marked for death at some point?

Pedit those confirmed town are also still alive so ???

[Moongrass]

2 confirmed town are alive?

Who's the other? Did you mean Clemency?

[Moongrass]

No, I am asking why do you think you would be killed when scum have confirmed town to kill.

Because It was my even night last night. Unless the kill is strongman they should have killed me.

[Moongrass]

Is it important we specifically lynch the eyes?

Hydra is indeed the odd duck in that town list

Not really but it gives me slight pause when a kill still happens after I use my action on a player.

[Moongrass]

Surely you can see why scum would want to kill confirmed first? And hope to push you as a possibility for mislynch.

I can see it, it just bothers me that they're not concerned about me blocking a kill which is why I'm reassessing my town reads.

[Moongrass]

Hydra TBD positions don't make sense to me. They have both me and Shiro as scum together which you would have to believe Shiro is doing the biggest distancing move ever for him to be pushing me to death every day all day and nothing else.

I am rethinking this read. I also think Shiro tunnelling you needs to be looked at.

[Moongrass]

the eyes has to be Cerb, right? It's the first night the eyes didn't kill, right when Cerb is roleblocked?

The eyes killed Clemency so nope.

[Moongrass]

Oh shit I mean URAP...

[Moongrass]

A50 why is RCE town again?

[Moongrass]

Volxen is my scumread, Moongrass is scummy, Moon defends (and is unwilling to explain) Volxen. I hope it's this simple

I've explained this. It's similar to my shift off you. If you could please look at some people who make sense based on wagons/play order that would help more than whatever it is you're doing now.

[Moongrass]

I like RCE for town again. His head is where mine is.

[Moongrass]

The fact you are protecting Volxen after everything surprises me

I'm not protecting volxen I'm just saying I've more targets to worry about over lynching them. If I retract my idea that the eyes aren't Cerb then I no longer care about lynching volxen or you for that matter.

Who claims after Volxen?

[Moongrass]

the eyes has to be Cerb, right? It's the first night the eyes didn't kill, right when Cerb is roleblocked?

The eyes killed Clemency so nope.

No they didn't?

You haven't adressed this yet, either

I meant URAP and RCE cleared that up. Unless you think I was lying about confusing the kill type then IDK what this line of questionning is giving to you.

[Moongrass]

Because I only have two shots and I didn't have any strong scumreads on night one after Chennisden flipped town. And I thought it was highly unlikely that I would watch the person who got nightkilled on night one.

- Volxen

This is kind of hard to buy because you looked like the D2 lynch after your D1 counterwagon flipped green. Pretty sure town tries to use their powers asap when it looks like they're high on the kill list.

[Moongrass]

Ico popcorn the next target please.

[Moongrass]

I'll full claim to save confusion.
I'm Vorazun even night roleblocker.

Thinking more about my result on Volxen...
A kill still happened. Since Cerb had no action, that means if Volxen is scum they are a goon. Assuming there are 3 scum if Volxen is scum then effectively 2/3 scum were blocked and the only unblocked scum managed to be selected for the kill. Something about the probability of this being the case just doesn't convince me Volxen is the best choice today.

[Moongrass]

I wonder if since Cerb is Over Powered that the rest of the scum team would then be goons?

[Moongrass]

Are we just waiting for hydra?

[Moongrass]

Reading wisdoms flip and last night's kill flavor convinces me any remaining scum would be goons.

[Moongrass]

Cerb doiesnt lolhammer he is probably scum with Liger

I agree. They make sense as a team.

- Hydra

Interested in Hydra's push today.

[Moongrass]

Caught up now

Town: Alchemist, Liger, RCEnigma, Vedith, Powerpuffs

Scum: Chennisden, Shadowless, Shiro

- Hydra

Vedith is quite high and Shiro quite low. Hydra what happened to the Shiro read?

[Moongrass]

These are the only players left who could be scum:

Liger_Zero
RCEnigma
Volxen MJL Combo Pack
Shiro
Iconeum
Hydra TBD

I will not lynch the top 3 today. Assuming two goons left I think it's some combo of the bottom 3.

[Moongrass]

Target aquired.

VOTE: Hydra

[Moongrass]

A50 why is RCE town again?

I kinda have a thing with RCE where we know each other's play. He knew FL & I was for real and we were both left alive on N1. RCE even tried to keep us one step short of being confirmed so scum won't shoot us.

I'm concerned you're believing what you want to instead of seeing that he could have been weakly shading you and FL before deciding it was too risky because you know each other well.

I'm not really scum reading him, I just want that not to skew your view of him in a similar fashion to people being intent on letting wisdom live N1 because of some underlying bro code that seems to exist on this site.

[Moongrass]

Scum gamed me every night phase tbh, I've played poorly all game so I'll just vote with you A50 VOTE: Shiro

I'm an even night gun vendor.

Who did you perform your actions on? Is a gun vendor someone who gives out guns?

[Moongrass]

Also for the third time I'm not an alien. Chen was a JK plus alien. I'm just an RB and I've claimed my character because the character Chen claimed is similar to mine. The actions and characters we had made sense to me as alternating pairs before I let scum wisdom and Cerb pull the wool over my eyes by saying alternating pairs usually have 1 town/1 scum here.

Aside from the claim that I let the experienced players shiv me on, Chen had an objectively scummy ISO so I wasn't unhappy lynching him if his claim possibly incriminated him further.

[Moongrass]

N2 I gunned FL N4 I gunned Nero. Figured A50 was going to be the nk.

You gunned two NKs? Why didn't you gun A50? It's odd that you would gun a replacement who has a less informed perspective on the game.

[Moongrass]

I suppose an even night gun vendor is a role we can confirm if town makes it to N6.

[Moongrass]

How do you mean?

[Moongrass]

Scary thought as that means we lynch incorrectly today which I'd rather not lol.

[Moongrass]

We could lynch Cerb again tomorrow to get us there? The gun vendor just needs to be confirmed it doesn't matter if we get to use the shot. It gives us another confirmed if we get to LyLo assuming A50 and I are the NKs.

[Moongrass]

Ico there's no point lynching RCE when his claim will either clear him or confirm he's scum in the following days. I think his claim makes sense with Alchemist's role more than Volxen's claim.

[Moongrass]

I kind of liked Volxen's sassy reply to my push on her. Overall that slot has done itself no favors though. I'd like to hear Hydra's thoughts on the game.

[Moongrass]

your slot is also still funny

You pushed me despite having used your power on me, but when you use your power on Volxen you keep on defending the slot

I pushed hard for you before using my N2 on you after which I backed off.

[Moongrass]

Also, Cerb being out of action the night I blocked Volxen narrows it down further than when I blocked you. Realistically it's still possible all this spec means nothing but I'll cling to what I can from my biased perspective.

[Moongrass]

Ico what are your thoughts on Shiro?

[Moongrass]

Rereading Shiro ISO and wisdom associatives convinces me she is town. A50 I think FL was right.

[Moongrass]

time in my mafia career when I'm fucking over it.

You can check in any time you like but you can never leave.

[Moongrass]

RCE do you have any thoughts on the remaining players? I'm uninspired with your sheep of A50 this late in the game.

[Moongrass]

Volxen wagon is boring, he's lynchbait every game d1 regardless of wagon or no wagon and he'll obvtown eventually if he's town

Hydra do you think the obvtown thing has happened for Volxen yet?

[Moongrass]

Relooking at the D1 wagons makes me think Volxen is scum. Wisdom jumped on both counterwagons.

[Moongrass]

Town: {Liger, Hydra, urap2, Icon, FL}
Nulltown: {Vedith, Almost, Moongrass}
Null: {Volxen, Cerb, Alch}
Nullscum: {RCE, PPG, chennis, Shiro}

Id like to hear why people are townreading PPG. Auro feels manipulative and the other two heads are avoiding posting. The little times they did it was mostly trolling; that's not characteristic of either Nancy or PB as town.

Explain the "manipulative" part, and why it's a scummy form of manipulation.

-Bubbles

your push on volxen feels like youre taking advantage of his playstyle to push them

This progression on Volxen doesn't make sense and in the context of a large Volxen wagon, it could be seen as a defense where this is SvS.

[Moongrass]

If Volxen flips red RCE looks like an obvious choice for buddy.

[Moongrass]

I think he voted you day 2 knowing he may have been checked. It's smart distancing play and as I said earlier in the game I'm more impressed with wisdom's scum game than his town game so this play makes sense if the team think he's red handed.

[Moongrass]

He would bus you late on the wagon if he thinks it's going through and jump off if town seems open to lynching elsewhere. I can't see any interactions that really clear you or say that he was trying to mislynch you.

[Moongrass]

The only confident vote from Volxen was on Cerb iirc.

[Moongrass]

UNVOTE: I'd prefer to have hydra interact than end the day early

[Moongrass]

Ok

VOTE: Liger

[Moongrass]

Ugh A50 I'm not scum you're being a derp head. You ruined my play.

VOTE: Hydra

[Moongrass]

A50 isn't on the wagon, Shiro is.

[Moongrass]

Liger inspite of your D1 you really turned your slot around. Without you I don't see the win as likely so I'd like to say well done to you for your play and humility.

Ico well done pushing your reads with conviction and being able to untunnel me.

Overall well done town, that was a good game even if I missed every satisfying quicklynch on scum.

[Moongrass]

One of the previous paragons used activity as a means of reading people so it's likely just personal preference.

[Moongrass]

You haven't lived krazy