Forkbomb Mafia (Endgame)

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VOTE: Skygazer

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this has a few implications.

my first instinct was to think scum would want to do this.
but my second is that town that was forked with a suspected scum (though likely scumread themselves) could deny the scum their kill
and that we should make sure that we provide clear lists of people to target with the second fork so that they can immediately shut down scum.

i foresee an issue where availability will cause 'unfair' priorities of action.

This post makes no sense.

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Skygazer is mafia.

Chemist is town.
Untrod pings town.

Fusco is a snake eating a fish.

No other reads.

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Skygazer is the best target for an early fork.

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Going by the first 30 posts, I anticipate a town loss.

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Going by your first 2 posts, I anticipate a no lunch lynch

It has happened before and it will happen again.
But if I'm forked, I will be forking scum down with me.

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Hey primate is scum.

Hot take.

Hmmmm

Why is skygazer mafia

These posts are scummy but these two and Skygazer are unlikely all scum.

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As soon asbwe fork mafia we risk losing strong town players

Does not matter. We have numbers. They all need to die for us to win.
This reasoning is fallacious.

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Hey primate is town.

No, we arent towning an old vet for saying setup things.

Roster's rapid sorting probably comes from town but it's very annoying. Fusco is correct but I do not know that it's alignment indicative.

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VOTE: roster

I believe Penguin is likely town for this.
Bins on the same page irks me. But I am getting scum feelings from too many people.

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no lunch is actually the closest I have to a scumread at the minute, but i don't have reads on so many people so it's mostly nothing.

I ALSO SCUMREAD NO LUNCH

You're both bad. Sorry.
Primate is more likely town than Bins for this.

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I really like rosters posts. I also for sure would not trust his forks

Milk, I like this post a lot.

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Bins on the same page irks me.

Y?

She ignored a lot of things which I believed markedly more pertinent than the things she did not ignore. Her post with Skygazer felt uncomfortable. I spied her vote for Penguin out of the corner of my eye which also made me uncomfortable.

Do you disagree, Jingle?

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It was amusing.

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VOTE: roster

I believe Penguin is likely town for this.

Why?

My initial response to roster was also to vote him. It took me a long minute to talk myself into not scumreading him. I think this response was reasonable and the pressure was pro-solving.

Do you disagree?

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Do you disagree, Jingle?

Not as such, no. What do you think she ignored that she shouldn't have?

Virtually anything other than what she posted about. Bins seems astute and I was hoping for something I may have missed.

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So question, should I be aiming at forking mafia or should I try to fork two town that I trust to scumhunt?

fork mafia. don't do stupid shit. last time I checked the town wincon isn't "you win by trying to do cute shit like pass killing abilities off to players of unknown alignments"

Skygazer
one of Fuosco and Penguin are good candidates for forking

The Penguin/Fuscusco forking suggestion is interesting. What do you think of my read on Penguin?

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So question, should I be aiming at forking mafia or should I try to fork two town that I trust to scumhunt?

fork mafia. don't do stupid shit. last time I checked the town wincon isn't "you win by trying to do cute shit like pass killing abilities off to players of unknown alignments"

Skygazer
one of Fuosco and Penguin are good candidates for forking

UT is scum.

Fork him.

Penguin, why do you think UT is scum? You two should talk.

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Just fork into the communal scum pool. You're unlikely to hit scum 100% of the time unless scum decided to be deeply useless.

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So question, should I be aiming at forking mafia or should I try to fork two town that I trust to scumhunt?

fork mafia. don't do stupid shit. last time I checked the town wincon isn't "you win by trying to do cute shit like pass killing abilities off to players of unknown alignments"

Skygazer
one of Fuosco and Penguin are good candidates for forking

The Penguin/Fuscusco forking suggestion is interesting. What do you think of my read on Penguin?

BEEP SCUM ALERT BEEP

Settle down, sweetie.
What do you you think of my Penguin read?

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Fork yourself, he onestly.

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Not sure that UT is scum but I would strongly encourage a policy fork given he refuses to read my posts or contribute.

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I'll be lurking until UT is dead because I do not play with useless people.

Milk, feel free to fork me so I can fork him and Skygazer. Thanks.

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Tripod, you have the misplaced arrogance which belongs to a player triple your calibre.
If you are town, engage with me.

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I try my best.

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VOTE: roster

I believe Penguin is likely town for this.

Why?

My initial response to roster was also to vote him. It took me a long minute to talk myself into not scumreading him. I think this response was reasonable and the pressure was pro-solving.

Particularly, this response to Jingle was playing on my mind when I asked the question.
Penguin's vote and pressure struck me as town motivated, frankly.

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Other than that in isolation I do like the way Penguin is presenting reads and posting actively in real-time; besides that yes, a lot relies on gut. But I do think he's more likely town than scum.

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i think no lunch is town here because they're treating my slot and others similarly to how they did in coalition, pushing for real time interactions

After coalition, I am also certain I will be successful in determining your alignment.
If there is anything I should be looking for, alert me to it.

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i think theres a lot i spewed about my alignment in 231

Excuse me. Have you procured a permit to be mafia against me?

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I believe the PP/UT 1 scum dichotomy is somewhat lukewarm. I had considered the idea that they might both be scum for a moment. I'm now considering whether they may both be town. But I do not think you weighing into that was particularly alignment indicative, no.

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are you legitimately SRing me or pushing for a reaction to you SRing me

I believe you know the answer to this in your rendition of my avatar. If you had 3 seconds left to fork one of UT and PP, which one would you fork and why?

(Apologies this question is somewhat unrealistic but it does assist with my methods.)

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probs UT

I'd fork pp over ut

why so?

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Skygazer and Flubbernugget are town.

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Unfortunately, I think only 1 of fusco roster is scum

This would not surprise me.

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This hydra is an agent of chaos. No matter its alignment.

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your meta paints you as much more active, and a very cursory glance at your scumgame is closer to this than your townie game.

your reads are limited in scope here, and focused on who should die instead of live, and I don't like the general cofidence you seem to hold in your TRs

This is a very bad stance, but please keep going.

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Do you disagree, Jingle?

Not as such, no. What do you think she ignored that she shouldn't have?

Virtually anything other than what she posted about. Bins seems astute and I was hoping for something I may have missed.

get ready for disappointment



you're trying to pull reads from the first page, you're more asstoot than i am

My strong page one reads are historically very accurate. They're also very easy to correct compared to later-phase reads, which tend to be easier to tunnel.

Go back and try again Bins.

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I find it hard to discern an opinion from you at all Chara. Let alone one I should find exception with.
Given that is stalling you sorting me, do you believe it is a problem?

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I suppose you feel less presence simply because I agree with most of what you're saying. Your initial discomfort with me scumreading Skygazer was well placed, as I was provoking her into breaking out of a random voting stage mindset.

Fusco is the one I come closest to disagreeing with. He is largely null to me. I find his playstyle casually pockety regardless of his alignment and I do not believe he has showed his hand yet. To this end he is the kind of null read I will happily see forked up, but not someone I consider myself capable of reading as of yet.

Let me go and check the rest of your reads in case I have forgotten something pertinent.

Also I believe I forgot to say earlier: it is nice to see you again too!

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Other than that, it is largely the Penguin read. I have him down as somewhat likely to be town, so far. I will be keeping a close eye on where he goes next, though.

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I scratched my head over Fusco's 325. It did occur to me that this kind of content is easy to produce as mafia when the game is still picking up. But if you were going to do it as mafia to appear as though you were trying to solve the game, it does seem strange to me that you would put so little energy or effort into the list.

It is like providing a fake Ranger tier list, and including everybody as null.

It does not actually aid in solving the game, and I agree that I can see scum motivation for forcing through a read list where one feels inappropriate. At the same time, I suppose it's fair to say I cannot really parse why he would do it regardless of alignment.

oh, right. and Bins is obvtown, don't fork her.

Is Bins a very easy read, or have I overlooked something?

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Actually in isolation I believe I have just not paid enough attention when she hasn't been interacting with me. That is a good early ISO.

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I can definitely see where you're coming from. I think I am more likely to sort Fuscosco below-null rather than above-null, but probably need to make a greater effort to get inside his head. His ISO is mostly posts which don't make me excited to attempt to parse his alignment - and then I ask myself whether he is playing in a way which obfuscates his alignment, or simply playing in an unfocused fashion.

Regardless his play is certainly sloppy, though not necessarily mafia indicative.

I'll circle back to this.

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I actually feel actively uncomfortable while I soft-defend him. It's quite similar to the feeling I get when controversially townreading a mafia partner. I might be intentionally looking for town indicators to try and find friction between us, Chara.

I'll confirmation bias check this and see whether this is our argument or whether I need to look for something more exciting.

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I cringed at you suggesting I'm "LAMISTy". Would you please put your issue with me into your own words, rather than leaning on a buzzword? Buzzwords are the death of nuance and critical thinking. By way of reply I do not feel that I have drawn attention to my own play as well. I am merely speaking what is on my mind. So your stance on me presents as fabricated.

However, yes. I think that is a good indicator of how I feel about Fuscosco and Chara. I have a strong initial feeling that there is one scum between them, but other than serious discomfort I do not have a strong feeling on which one of them I should be scumreading.

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Probably not a scum motivation fabrication, in hindsight. I just do not think you have paid enough attention to me.

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Ah okay. I did not check the post, I just remembered my participation in the conversation.

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In that case you have already explained your concern with Chara in your own words.

the train from 348 and 349 to your most recent post is giving me minor whiplash, no lunch. where does the suspicion of me come in?

I like whiplash! Could you show me where you're seeing an issue with my trajectory? I believe I have been very clear.

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At the moment my read that there is one scum between you is principally gut-based. It is a strong gut feeling, but gut all the same.
I am somewhat warmer towards you than Fuscosco but lukewarm all the same.

Perhaps I should have more firmly emphasised that I need to reevaluate Fuscosco and then re-engage with you? That was the important takeaway in my posting towards the end of the last page.

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Good night!

Chara just showed a fairly potent anti-scumtell, by the way. It is probably town.

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Rose, do you disagree that Chara slipped its town perspective on this page?

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No.

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I will soon.

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Yo I’ve read but thinking is hard

I should try to do that now I guess but I have no idea where to start

Hm. I may have approached this erroneously.
Chemist is back to null, possible scum.

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My hot take is that Roster is town

What exactly do you wanna see Roster talk about, Chemist?

- Ten

This is a good "hot take".

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fork primate / fusco imo

or whoever i dont really care

listen to the rooster


or if you think you have an advantage reading anyone in this game, and they seem scummy, trust that and dont listen to me lol

I second these forking suggestions.
Do not fork Chara, Skygazer or Rosterfoster at the moment.

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Spoiler: Walls for the wall god!

Do you disagree, Jingle?

Not as such, no. What do you think she ignored that she shouldn't have?

Virtually anything other than what she posted about. Bins seems astute and I was hoping for something I may have missed.

What is the most important event of the first 8 pages, alignment wise, fypov?

Still getting townvibes from UT. Dictating who and what to fork is pretty squicky, and he seems fully against that in a way that doesn't want towncred for being fully against that. Also, the whole narrative of UT/PP containing scum seems

wrong

somehow.

Kinda disliking Lunch at the moment too. He seems to be playing to an agenda.

Tenrose more town.

SNAKES is more meh as fork target, still down with the rooster tho.

AK probs town, hot take.

jingle is hard to read without real interactions hes high profile anyway so no reason to prioritize him first

hm.

oh, right. and Bins is obvtown, don't fork her.

Okay.

352 makes me 100% okay with no lunch fork, and 353 reinforces.

i've played with scum Jingle! he's hard to catch.

Actually it's super easy, barely an inconvenience. And when did you play with scum me? I can only remember us being TvT.

I think jingle is not talking as much as they have in the games I've played with them, that could be AI but I've never played with them as scum. Also, fusco is very flighty

Very slightly town indicative, but not to the point where it should be used as a tell. The question you should be asking is why I'm posting less.

VOTE: the worst

down with birds

For a minute, I thought ducky replaced in and I was happy. GJ, you ruined my day. Fascist.

tl;dr~ those noises the adults make in Peanuts.

In a general fashion, I will be wholly ignoring Jingle's contributions until he is participating more actively.
This is a wall of very surface-level responses, contains little to nothing directly alignment indicative.

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As milk is considering Chara as a scumread, I feel obligated to speak up to some degree. In my posting regarding the possibility of either Chara or Fuscosco being mafia, I did intentionally pivot my approach to the slots to see whether a reaction would be forthcoming. I went from softly agreeing with Chara on Fusco, but remaining fairly null on both, to stating that I believe there is mafia in there.

Chara's response to this was to call me out for giving it "whiplash" - something which I asked it to elaborate on. Its elaboration below feels free from concern regarding the way in which I'm viewing its slot; rather, it feels as though Chara has engaged me with the intention of genuinely checking its Fusco read against mine (and subtly conducting a check on the way in which my reads are forming).

Included for your consideration below. I suspect that this response inadvertently displays a town indicative game-solving motive in a way which mafia's structured "towny posts" struggle to do. On the contrary, were Chara mafia I do not see it engaging with me on the way I was reading it (which is publicly mafia indicative) and then successfully nitpicking a fairly nuanced part of my game-solving which was indeed absent.

in our earlier discussion, you mentioned null on Fusco and gave arguments for why it could be town. i was with you there. the next bit was a re-look and wondering if you were soft-defending simply to argue. still with you.
i didn't get a strong sense of scum or townreading Fusco, or really a read on me, either. but then you say you have a strong suspicion there's at least one scum between us, and i have to wonder where that comes from when you didn't seem too warm to my argument from a few minutes ago for Fusco scum, nor in particular suspicion of me. sort of like a gap in a thought process i could otherwise see quite clearly.

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Town, in order of strength of read:
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themilkcartonkid
Chara
TenRose
Skygazer
Bins
Flubbernugget
PenguinPower
rosterfoster

Which leaves the rest.
Jingle
Untrod Tripod
President Donald Trump
Apollo Khione
Flavor Leaf
Primate
Chemist1422
Fuscosco

I would personally be most comfortable seeing Fuscosco, Primate, or chemist forked in the short term.

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I suppose a byproduct of forking is day killing yourself. Interesting way to think about it.

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Congratulations on the wedding, Tripod. I shall resist my small urge to fork you as a wedding gift.

Penguin, assuming you are still alive, who would you suggest we fork?

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no lunch I guess you don't want want penguin to fork chara? now would be a good time to explain this towntell you saw.

I did.

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no lunch and pp should sync their shots tbh so neither gets screwed out of them

Yes.

I would like to fork chemist and Jingle at the moment, I believe.

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That means I’m conftown. Zero chance we don’t have them converse with me.

For an indeterminable reason, these words give me goosebumps.

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Jingle
Untrod Tripod
President Donald Trump
Apollo Khione
Flavor Leaf

These are lurkers. With the exception of Untrod Tripod. What is your read on them?

Now that I am confirmed town I will be somewhat more candid: I do not like TenRose as much as I suggested I do.

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As milk is considering Chara as a scumread, I feel obligated to speak up to some degree. In my posting regarding the possibility of either Chara or Fuscosco being mafia, I did intentionally pivot my approach to the slots to see whether a reaction would be forthcoming. I went from softly agreeing with Chara on Fusco, but remaining fairly null on both, to stating that I believe there is mafia in there.

Chara's response to this was to call me out for giving it "whiplash" - something which I asked it to elaborate on. Its elaboration below feels free from concern regarding the way in which I'm viewing its slot; rather, it feels as though Chara has engaged me with the intention of genuinely checking its Fusco read against mine (and subtly conducting a check on the way in which my reads are forming).

Included for your consideration below. I suspect that this response inadvertently displays a town indicative game-solving motive in a way which mafia's structured "towny posts" struggle to do. On the contrary, were Chara mafia I do not see it engaging with me on the way I was reading it (which is publicly mafia indicative) and then successfully nitpicking a fairly nuanced part of my game-solving which was indeed absent.

in our earlier discussion, you mentioned null on Fusco and gave arguments for why it could be town. i was with you there. the next bit was a re-look and wondering if you were soft-defending simply to argue. still with you.
i didn't get a strong sense of scum or townreading Fusco, or really a read on me, either. but then you say you have a strong suspicion there's at least one scum between us, and i have to wonder where that comes from when you didn't seem too warm to my argument from a few minutes ago for Fusco scum, nor in particular suspicion of me. sort of like a gap in a thought process i could otherwise see quite clearly.

This is what I saw in Chara which made me want to see it survive past the first rounds of forking.

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I also want chemist and jingle with an outside of chara and tenrose

You won’t let me shoot chara and I guess I trust you so who else do you suggest? Flubber? Or do we just dead chemist and jingle?

It does stand to reason that at least one of us is a threat. So I am open to listening to your contrary reads.

Chara is a townread so I would prefer it was not forked. I would not mind seeing TenRose forked. I am comfortable with Flubber but would somewhat prefer forking into that list of five which TenRose asked for reads on.

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Admittedly, they are more valuable as policy forks outside of Untrod. Who I do not think it is worth forking today for other reasons.

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The only reason I omitted them is because they didn't seem necessary to talk through. He is busy in real life, and if he continues his pattern of refusing to engage with people, he will be exposing himself.

I suppose it would also be slightly strange for a mafia team including Untrod to fork me but I will let that sit outside my mind for the moment.

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I am currently tempted to "hero fork" the president, and the Apollo.

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It has occurred to me that with de facto day vigilantes, the mafia will likely be looking for a place to hide. Absence is good cover. I am second guessing my ability to read those present, but suspect there are more active town than I had originally assumed.

I cannot effectively vex people with my confirmed town status, so my usual tact is somewhat spoiled.

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I will have to decline on this occasion. Thank you for the offer, but I am an hopeless hydra partner.

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President Donald Trump has been prodded.

I wish you the best of luck in washing the fake tan from your finger.

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Penguin, shall we fork in unison?

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If I am honest, my gut is screaming to fork Jingle. Outside of that I believe clearing the lurker list to some level is wise. Forked players immediately have incentive for engagement, and I sincerely believe that the mafia benefit from lurking to avoid stray forks.

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If I am honest, my gut is screaming to fork Jingle. Outside of that I believe clearing the lurker list to some level is wise. Forked players immediately have incentive for engagement, and I sincerely believe that the mafia benefit from lurking to avoid stray forks.

Alright, I'm going to fork chemist and Apollo. Do you want to double up on one or fork four?

If you fork chemist and Apollo, I shall follow suit by forking Apollo and Jingle.

I may be persuaded to fork the president, in place of Jingle.

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On that basis, I shall be holding my fork for the moment.

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Also, no lunch need to be the next to fork. I'm wary of the timing around how this went down.

Yes, you are signalling why I wished for us to fork together.

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I would prefer for Jingle to post his setup logic prior to my forks, but currently am intending to fork Jingle and TenRose.

Please, nobody fork before I am given a chance to.

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Jingle
Flavor Leaf
Untrod Tripod
TenRose
Chara
Skygazer
Flubbernugget
Bins

FTFM

Why did these reads change?

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Jingle and Flavor Leaf.
I am losing my townread on Skygazer.
If you dislike my choices, talk me out of them.

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I believe Penguin was angling that it is beneficial for me to make the shot as I reached out to him in an effort to solve with him, and then mysteriously missed my opportunity to shoot along with him by approximately two minutes.

My alignment should also be dubious, from your perspective.

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Bins and Jingle, you should talk about who I should fork. Please discuss your reads on those players.

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i would prefer ten and flubber at this point. why not them

You and Jingle disagree on Ten and agree on Flubber, presumably. I would like to see you work through Ten prior to committing and it will assist me in reading you two before I am gone.

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Bins and Jingle, you should talk about who I should fork. Please discuss your reads on those players.

I'm fairly sold on Bins. The NEED to survive doesn't seem town at all.

Don't disagree with a flubber fork.

Still think that DT should be the one to actually do the forking.

Still think that the complete lack of theater from Boon is strongly town indicative. He always plays with a plan, and I think it's clear that scum haven't had one this game.

I generally agree with her confusion at the source of her argument and have considered that your lack of reconsideration of her alignment feels more agenda-driven than her consideration that you may both be town.

I think that is a weak argument for town-Flavor.

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No Lunch, will you agree to give DT an opportunity to sheep your fork choices instead of making them outright?

Reluctantly.

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Sky is near lock town for me. Sky calls out Chemist as scummy, and then Chemist played in a way to appease Sky’s

This is a good point.

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The town combo of Jingle correctly reading Flavor and then Flavor catching scum continues to work, though.

That was a delight. Well done.