Forkbomb Mafia (Endgame)
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This post makes no sense.In post 16, Fuscosco wrote:this has a few implications.
my first instinct was to think scum would want to do this.
but my second is that town that was forked with a suspected scum (though likely scumread themselves) could deny the scum their kill
and that we should make sure that we provide clear lists of people to target with the second fork so that they can immediately shut down scum.
i foresee an issue where availability will cause 'unfair' priorities of action.-
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It has happened before and it will happen again.In post 32, rosterfoster wrote:Going by your first 2 posts, I anticipate a no lunch lynch
But if I'm forked, I will be forking scum down with me.-
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In post 41, Flubbernugget wrote:Hmmmm
These posts are scummy but these two and Skygazer are unlikely all scum.In post 42, Flubbernugget wrote:Why is skygazer mafia-
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Does not matter. We have numbers. They all need to die for us to win.In post 49, Flubbernugget wrote:As soon asbwe fork mafia we risk losing strong town players
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In post 52, rosterfoster wrote:Hey primate is town.
Roster's rapid sorting probably comes from town but it's very annoying. Fusco is correct but I do not know that it's alignment indicative.In post 53, Fuscosco wrote:No, we arent towning an old vet for saying setup things.-
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I believe Penguin is likely town for this.
Bins on the same page irks me. But I am getting scum feelings from too many people.-
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In post 68, Primate wrote:no lunch is actually the closest I have to a scumread at the minute, but i don't have reads on so many people so it's mostly nothing.
You're both bad. Sorry.In post 69, Bins wrote:I ALSO SCUMREAD NO LUNCH
Primate is more likely town than Bins for this.-
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Milk, I like this post a lot.In post 88, themilkcartonkid wrote:I really like rosters posts. I also for sure would not trust his forks-
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She ignored a lot of things which I believed markedly more pertinent than the things she did not ignore. Her post with Skygazer felt uncomfortable. I spied her vote for Penguin out of the corner of my eye which also made me uncomfortable.
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My initial response to roster was also to vote him. It took me a long minute to talk myself into not scumreading him. I think this response was reasonable and the pressure was pro-solving.In post 209, PenguinPower wrote:Why?
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Virtually anything other than what she posted about. Bins seems astute and I was hoping for something I may have missed.In post 211, Jingle wrote:
Not as such, no. What do you think she ignored that she shouldn't have?In post 206, no lunch wrote:Do you disagree, Jingle?-
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The Penguin/Fuscusco forking suggestion is interesting. What do you think of my read on Penguin?In post 94, Untrod Tripod wrote:
fork mafia. don't do stupid shit. last time I checked the town wincon isn't "you win by trying to do cute shit like pass killing abilities off to players of unknown alignments"In post 43, themilkcartonkid wrote:So question, should I be aiming at forking mafia or should I try to fork two town that I trust to scumhunt?
Skygazer
one of Fuosco and Penguin are good candidates for forking-
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Penguin, why do you think UT is scum? You two should talk.In post 99, PenguinPower wrote:
UT is scum.In post 94, Untrod Tripod wrote:
fork mafia. don't do stupid shit. last time I checked the town wincon isn't "you win by trying to do cute shit like pass killing abilities off to players of unknown alignments"In post 43, themilkcartonkid wrote:So question, should I be aiming at forking mafia or should I try to fork two town that I trust to scumhunt?
Skygazer
one of Fuosco and Penguin are good candidates for forking
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Settle down, sweetie.In post 216, Untrod Tripod wrote:
BEEP SCUM ALERT BEEPIn post 213, no lunch wrote:
The Penguin/Fuscusco forking suggestion is interesting. What do you think of my read on Penguin?In post 94, Untrod Tripod wrote:
fork mafia. don't do stupid shit. last time I checked the town wincon isn't "you win by trying to do cute shit like pass killing abilities off to players of unknown alignments"In post 43, themilkcartonkid wrote:So question, should I be aiming at forking mafia or should I try to fork two town that I trust to scumhunt?
Skygazer
one of Fuosco and Penguin are good candidates for forking
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Particularly, this response to Jingle was playing on my mind when I asked the question.In post 210, no lunch wrote:
My initial response to roster was also to vote him. It took me a long minute to talk myself into not scumreading him. I think this response was reasonable and the pressure was pro-solving.In post 209, PenguinPower wrote:Why?
Penguin's vote and pressure struck me as town motivated, frankly.-
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After coalition, I am also certain I will be successful in determining your alignment.In post 239, Skygazer wrote:i think no lunch is town here because they're treating my slot and others similarly to how they did in coalition, pushing for real time interactions
If there is anything I should be looking for, alert me to it.-
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Excuse me. Have you procured a permit to be mafia against me?
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I believe you know the answer to this in your rendition of my avatar. If you had 3 seconds left to fork one of UT and PP, which one would you fork and why?In post 246, Skygazer wrote:are you legitimately SRing me or pushing for a reaction to you SRing me
(Apologies this question is somewhat unrealistic but it does assist with my methods.)-
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why so?
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This would not surprise me.In post 287, themilkcartonkid wrote:Unfortunately, I think only 1 of fusco roster is scum-
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This is a very bad stance, but please keep going.In post 310, Fuscosco wrote:your meta paints you as much more active, and a very cursory glance at your scumgame is closer to this than your townie game.
your reads are limited in scope here, and focused on who should die instead of live, and I don't like the general cofidence you seem to hold in your TRs-
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My strong page one reads are historically very accurate. They're also very easy to correct compared to later-phase reads, which tend to be easier to tunnel.In post 327, Bins wrote:
get ready for disappointmentIn post 212, no lunch wrote:
Virtually anything other than what she posted about. Bins seems astute and I was hoping for something I may have missed.In post 211, Jingle wrote:
Not as such, no. What do you think she ignored that she shouldn't have?In post 206, no lunch wrote:Do you disagree, Jingle?
you're trying to pull reads from the first page, you're more asstoot than i am
Go back and try again Bins.-
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I suppose you feel less presence simply because I agree with most of what you're saying. Your initial discomfort with me scumreading Skygazer was well placed, as I was provoking her into breaking out of a random voting stage mindset.
Fusco is the one I come closest to disagreeing with. He is largely null to me. I find his playstyle casually pockety regardless of his alignment and I do not believe he has showed his hand yet. To this end he is the kind of null read I will happily see forked up, but not someone I consider myself capable of reading as of yet.
Let me go and check the rest of your reads in case I have forgotten something pertinent.
Also I believe I forgot to say earlier: it is nice to see you again too!-
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I scratched my head over Fusco's 325. It did occur to me that this kind of content is easy to produce as mafia when the game is still picking up. But if you were going to do it as mafia to appear as though you were trying to solve the game, it does seem strange to me that you would put so little energy or effort into the list.
It is like providing a fake Ranger tier list, and including everybody as null.
It does not actually aid in solving the game, and I agree that I can see scum motivation for forcing through a read list where one feels inappropriate. At the same time, I suppose it's fair to say I cannot really parse why he would do it regardless of alignment.
Is Bins a very easy read, or have I overlooked something?Chara wrote:oh, right. and Bins is obvtown, don't fork her.-
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I can definitely see where you're coming from. I think I am more likely to sort Fuscosco below-null rather than above-null, but probably need to make a greater effort to get inside his head. His ISO is mostly posts which don't make me excited to attempt to parse his alignment - and then I ask myself whether he is playing in a way which obfuscates his alignment, or simply playing in an unfocused fashion.
Regardless his play is certainly sloppy, though not necessarily mafia indicative.
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I actually feel actively uncomfortable while I soft-defend him. It's quite similar to the feeling I get when controversially townreading a mafia partner. I might be intentionally looking for town indicators to try and find friction between us, Chara.
I'll confirmation bias check this and see whether this is our argument or whether I need to look for something more exciting.-
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I cringed at you suggesting I'm "LAMISTy". Would you please put your issue with me into your own words, rather than leaning on a buzzword? Buzzwords are the death of nuance and critical thinking. By way of reply I do not feel that I have drawn attention to my own play as well. I am merely speaking what is on my mind. So your stance on me presents as fabricated.
However, yes. I think that is a good indicator of how I feel about Fuscosco and Chara. I have a strong initial feeling that there is one scum between them, but other than serious discomfort I do not have a strong feeling on which one of them I should be scumreading.-
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In that case you have already explained your concern with Chara in your own words.
I like whiplash! Could you show me where you're seeing an issue with my trajectory? I believe I have been very clear.
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At the moment my read that there is one scum between you is principally gut-based. It is a strong gut feeling, but gut all the same.
I am somewhat warmer towards you than Fuscosco but lukewarm all the same.
Perhaps I should have more firmly emphasised that I need to reevaluate Fuscosco and then re-engage with you? That was the important takeaway in my posting towards the end of the last page.-
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Hm. I may have approached this erroneously.In post 389, Chemist1422 wrote:Yo I’ve read but thinking is hard
I should try to do that now I guess but I have no idea where to start
Chemist is back to null, possible scum.-
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This is a good "hot take".In post 406, TenRose wrote:My hot take is that Roster is town
What exactly do you wanna see Roster talk about, Chemist?
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I second these forking suggestions.In post 423, Bins wrote:fork primate / fusco imo
or whoever i dont really care
listen to the rooster
or if you think you have an advantage reading anyone in this game, and they seem scummy, trust that and dont listen to me lol
Do not fork Chara, Skygazer or Rosterfoster at the moment.-
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In a general fashion, I will be wholly ignoring Jingle's contributions until he is participating more actively.In post 439, Jingle wrote:Spoiler: Walls for the wall god!
tl;dr~ those noises the adults make in Peanuts.
This is a wall of very surface-level responses, contains little to nothing directly alignment indicative.-
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As milk is considering Chara as a scumread, I feel obligated to speak up to some degree. In my posting regarding the possibility of either Chara or Fuscosco being mafia, I did intentionally pivot my approach to the slots to see whether a reaction would be forthcoming. I went from softly agreeing with Chara on Fusco, but remaining fairly null on both, to stating that I believe there is mafia in there.
Chara's response to this was to call me out for giving it "whiplash" - something which I asked it to elaborate on. Its elaboration below feels free from concern regarding the way in which I'm viewing its slot; rather, it feels as though Chara has engaged me with the intention of genuinely checking its Fusco read against mine (and subtly conducting a check on the way in which my reads are forming).
Included for your consideration below. I suspect that this response inadvertently displays a town indicative game-solving motive in a way which mafia's structured "towny posts" struggle to do. On the contrary, were Chara mafia I do not see it engaging with me on the way I was reading it (which is publicly mafia indicative) and then successfully nitpicking a fairly nuanced part of my game-solving which was indeed absent.
In post 359, Chara wrote:in our earlier discussion, you mentioned null on Fusco and gave arguments for why it could be town. i was with you there. the next bit was a re-look and wondering if you were soft-defending simply to argue. still with you.
i didn't get a strong sense of scum or townreading Fusco, or really a read on me, either. but then you say you have a strong suspicion there's at least one scum between us, and i have to wonder where that comes from when you didn't seem too warm to my argument from a few minutes ago for Fusco scum, nor in particular suspicion of me. sort of like a gap in a thought process i could otherwise see quite clearly.-
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Town, in order of strength of read:
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themilkcartonkid
Chara
TenRose
Skygazer
Bins
Flubbernugget
PenguinPower
rosterfoster
Which leaves the rest.
Jingle
Untrod Tripod
President Donald Trump
Apollo Khione
Flavor Leaf
Primate
Chemist1422
Fuscosco
I would personally be most comfortable seeing Fuscosco, Primate, or chemist forked in the short term.-
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