Forkbomb Mafia (Endgame)

[Fuscosco]

fork you milk

[Fuscosco]

At any time, any Forked player may post, in-thread and bolded:

Fork: Player1, Player2

The word "Fork" can be replaced with anything you like (e.g. "kill", "set fire to", "amalgamate", "say hello to", etc) so long as it is bold and unambiguous who is being Forked. Do not try to game this.

When this is done, the Forked player issuing the Fork will become Dead. Then, for each of the two players targeted: if they were Alive, they will become Forked. If they were Forked, they will become Dead. Note that if Forking the first player causes a win condition to be achieved, the game will end and the second player will not be Forked.

hmmmmmm

@MOD: Does this mean that some forked players can be denied their right to fork others by being forked a second time? IF, in this hypothetical, Themilkcartonkid forked fuscosco and implosion, could I immediately fork implosion and deny him his right to fork by killing him?

[Fuscosco]

this has a few implications.

my first instinct was to think scum would want to do this.
but my second is that town that was forked with a suspected scum (though likely scumread themselves) could deny the scum their kill
and that we should make sure that we provide clear lists of people to target with the second fork so that they can immediately shut down scum.

i foresee an issue where availability will cause 'unfair' priorities of action.

[Fuscosco]

town. I think they fork 4 scumreads and then we go from there.

[Fuscosco]

Maybe I just need a forking in my life

But I feel that with a good body of scumreads we exponentially increase our hunting.

[Fuscosco]

At the cost of 2 towns we get 4 vig shots, and the forkees in round 2 are encouraged to stem the tide of people.

[Fuscosco]

No, we arent towning an old vet for saying setup things.

[Fuscosco]

His posts are almost extracted from a bygone era. They arent AI there, and I wont consider them that here.

[Fuscosco]

yes

[Fuscosco]

Im actually wondering if I shouldnt be scummy to get an early fork and a stab at scum

[Fuscosco]

back to scum

[Fuscosco]

do tell. If i thought you were taking this seriously Id be voting you right about now

[Fuscosco]

lul.

With 17 players and not votes to track, when should we fork? Three days isnt long, and lurking seems like itd be unusually useful

[Fuscosco]

Town of the Faction Town

[Fuscosco]

2 towns.

Spoiler: 1 town and 1 scum seems to be the designed intention when I look at the setup post

Popcorn-inspired.

Forkbomb Mafia

4 Mafia
13 Townies

You can think of this as an infectious disease or something but it's going to sound funnier if I use this terminology.

Nightless. Really phaseless. There's a singular day.

A random townie is selected to be the initial fork() call; they are considered to be forked, and are publicly revealed. Any given player can be in three states: alive, forked, or dead. If a player is forked, then they may still post and will not have their alignment flip, but are effectively dead for win condition purposes. At any time, any forked player may fork exactly two other players by publicly announcing in thread:

Fork: Player 1, Player 2

(alternatively, in the spirit of EHOBANOHAR, players may use any verb or phrase, not just "Fork", so long as it is unambiguous and bolded)

As soon as they do this, the forking player becomes dead (and their alignment flips). For each of the two players they target, if not yet forked, they become forked; if they were already forked, they become dead (this provides a way for the town to move from the initial evens into odds, as well as a way to stop suspected forked mafia from forking two townies).

There is only one day phase, but it has a short (48 or 72 hour likely) deadline; any time a player forks, this deadline is reset. If the deadline expires, all forked players become dead. If at any point there are no forked players, the mafia must select a new townie to become forked. Note that this prevents mafia from indefinitely stalling the game if all forked players are mafia.

The town wins when all mafia are forked or dead.
The mafia win when at least half of all unforked players are mafia.

Note that even though two players are forked in each Fork statement, they are actually forked one at a time (so if forking the first player would cause the mafia to win, and forking the second player would then reset the game back to where the mafia win condition doesn't apply, the mafia would in fact win). This prevents LYLO from being super easy for town.

Mafia-aligned players may never fork in such a way that they would immediately win. Two examples: (1) If there is 1 alive mafia and 3 alive town, a forked mafia may not fork to two of the alive town, though if desired they could fork one of them and one other already-forked player. (2) If there are 2 alive mafia and 3 alive town, and 1 forked mafia and 2 forked town, the forked mafia could not fork the two already-forked town, as this would cause the "no forked players" clause to take effect and the mafia would get to fork a townie for free and immediately win. If they do attempt such a fork, the moderator will announce that it failed, and that mafia member will die. There should never be any good reason for this to happen.

Pros:
-All the chaos of EHOBANOHAR with all the order of popcorn mafia.
-Multiple people "dying" avoids the problem of large games sometimes being slogs.
-Effective vengescum mechanic means it's nightless-feeling, but mafia aren't powerless.
-Forked townies have the option to act as semi-treestumps or act as vigilantes, and most people will be happy to do one of these.
-Potential for interesting plays by scum getting forked and then acting townish and directing other forks.

Cons:
-I actually have no goddamn clue what numbers this would be balanced for! There are a lot of factors at play; it's pseudo-nightless, but scum get a double-vengescum; if they manage to like, hold these until near the end, and fork like 6 players at once to bring the town to LYLO, it could be strong. But there will be a lot of effective treestumps flying around.
-Pace means that being online when you get forked might be important, especially if you're mafia and want to fork before you're forked a second time; this could be solved by doing something like not allowing anyone to fork within X (12 probably) hours of being forked, but I don't think that's really worth it.
-Delayed flips aren't everyone's thing. But this is heavily mitigated by the fact that the delayed-flip people are still alive and can still post, can flip themselves at any time, and can be flipped by others if they are forked a second time.

So long as you can be reasonably sure that the first forkees are town and not playing to this, it nets us extra firepower.
Scum also dont have an immediate incentive to be forked in the first phase. That comes as a sort of 'counterplay' to town trying to fork themselves.

[Fuscosco]

one of Fuosco and Penguin are good candidates for forking

Fork me daddy


Also, scum have daychat, so keep that eye out for patterns of support.

[Fuscosco]

I wanna point out that a primary reason we want town alive (besides the wincon) is to have their vote. We have no vote here.


Sure, there is their presence, but we dont need to be afraid of losing any one townie. They give their reads, die, and kill. When they flip we can analyse their picks. Like, no scum is ever going to win by hitting scum here, not even in theory. Pick those with bad reads and bad presence.

[Fuscosco]

Its actually skittlescum mafia

[Fuscosco]

fork you

[Fuscosco]

Thatll have to wait for the next meet-up

[Fuscosco]

Don’t waste your time on daft pretty boys.

knock knock baby
here i come
ive been lookin all around
for a little bit of fun
got my eye on you
cuz youre so hot
so dance for me sugar
give me everything you got
dont waste time with little pretty boys
whats the bloody use girly
theyre just toys
dont slow down honey
keep up the heat
an eye for an eye
the whole world at your feet
i got something for ya that cant be bought
i got a kind of love
like a
a juggernaut

[Fuscosco]

What about house cats? They dont shirk their duties, even though theres all sorts of things that eat them

[Fuscosco]

Noooo, not doggos, not hawks, not bobcats, and never certain European Alpine countries.

[Fuscosco]

Im pretty okay with a fusco/roster forking

[Fuscosco]

But Ive been completely upfront on my opinion that town should be the first forking.

[Fuscosco]

Roster

has

been mussing around instead of producing content, but he has done so in a very charismatic way.

[Fuscosco]

Ill just agree to disagree. I dont want to think too hard about what happens if we fork 2 townies, then they fork 3 scum and a townie. And then the game collapses.

[Fuscosco]

shhhhh, say that in the pt

[Fuscosco]

You say this and then you actually flip red

[Fuscosco]

@MOD: Can a player double-fork another player?

[Fuscosco]

I suspect not

[Fuscosco]

But realtalk for a second


Do we benefit more from forking 2 people, or keeping only 1 active fork?

[Fuscosco]

But realtalk for a second


Do we benefit more from forking 2 people, or keeping only 1 active fork?

what exactly are you proposing?

How many forks is best to prevent out of control chaos and maximizes scumhunting? Should town make an effort to limit the number of forks

[Fuscosco]

I really like rosters posts. I also for sure would not trust his forks

Milk, I like this post a lot.

[Fuscosco]

we can fork an already forked player and fork a new one.

[Fuscosco]

if it's "only use one fork at a time" then I've already asked the mod and a player has to use both forks at the same time

?

[Fuscosco]

Im just tossing out ideas. The concept of no votes is interesting enough to me

[Fuscosco]

how about everyone can do what they want with their forks and you can do what you want with your forks

?

[Fuscosco]

I believe Penguin is likely town for this.

I wanna play!

Why do you think PP faking a vote in a joking manner is towny for PP?

[Fuscosco]

how about everyone can do what they want with their forks and you can do what you want with your forks

?

what part of that was unclear to you

the part where you asked for clarification and then tried to shut down convo

[Fuscosco]

Id be interested in seeing how they treat players who arent ut, but sure i could see that argument.

[Fuscosco]

Thats a surprising shallow read coming from you. I had you figured for quiet, not shallow

[Fuscosco]

is that based on meta, content, or?

[Fuscosco]

Im not sold. I stand by my post.

[Fuscosco]

are you legitimately SRing me or pushing for a reaction to you SRing me

this is kind of town, but overall . . .

[Fuscosco]

who strikes you as the least fun and least genuine?

[Fuscosco]

big oof

[Fuscosco]

yeet

[Fuscosco]

thats an ask

[Fuscosco]

chemist?

[Fuscosco]

I debated forking sky, but I have 2 others i want

[Fuscosco]

No I mean I dont see him posting

today

this phase too much

[Fuscosco]

10 bucks its ut pp

actually I have some [really] old meta on UT and what I was positive was their alt, but all thats stale and Im a different player now with a different pov on the game.


No its not ut.

[Fuscosco]

Who would you like me to fork milk?

[Fuscosco]

I would like a bead on you guys.

[Fuscosco]

oh im forking you char

[Fuscosco]

No surprises, i think you'll be too hard to take out later

<3

[Fuscosco]

lol

[Fuscosco]

your meta paints you as much more active, and a very cursory glance at your scumgame is closer to this than your townie game.

your reads are limited in scope here, and focused on who should die instead of live, and I don't like the general cofidence you seem to hold in your TRs

[Fuscosco]

I'm sure there's some omgus too, but my second shot os likely going to somebody who seems to tr me

[Fuscosco]

rose seems town
prim is townlite

[Fuscosco]

. but I voted for you

[Fuscosco]

lol got em Bois

[Fuscosco]

I have 13 pages to pick 2 out of 15 players and I make plausible cases from the mostly nonsense snd setup speccing. some of which I may have engaged in . . . .

I don't think its bad at all, nor do I think 'the game just started' osya viable defense for a player who hase popped in four or five times already.
I didnt do a good metadive on you chara, nor have I claimed to. I was too busy skimming several other people to firm up mu choices.

I kknd of TR nolunch, but I wouldn't follow their reads without asking why first. how is my stance bad, and why should I kill another subnull player over chara?

[Fuscosco]

i'm also sideeying that you think i'm good scum (i asked why you thought this, by the way, not why you scumread me) who would be hard to get later, but also that i'm obvious enough scum that you can look at my games for two seconds and make any sort of meta tell from them. :>

I dont think youre good scum. I think people will write you off later

[Fuscosco]

or at least i have no real opinion of your scumgame, but I so think people will tend to overlook you

[Fuscosco]

looks hindsighty. did you really get that about me before i asked you this question, or after?

Lol What a complete lack of respect to suggest this

[Fuscosco]

mmmmm

my gut say pp is the townier of ut/pp, but is still well within his range.
fl is being the boons I remember
I think the clemency hydra could be scum
I dont think PTD is a good phase one fork, but should go sooner than later
jingle is hard to read without real interactions hes high profile anyway so no reason to prioritize him first
I have no clue how to read bins
sky strikes me as very lightly green. but ever so light. more interactions would tell.
ten is one of my stronger trs rn
flubs is another decent phase one fork
prim is modestly town
chem is chem
nolunch has surprised me with how concise they are, and im a sucker for that.

[Fuscosco]

s page focused on him is a bit gross

scum have daytalk so will coordinate their moves

[Fuscosco]

iwish to be forked

i also wish for content. to stick my fork in

[Fuscosco]

i still think chara is a good fork, dubs

[Fuscosco]

Im going to, for the sake of our glorious kingmaker tmck, suggest that he not read me for one or two partial games and instead either use in-game knowledge or the partially complete games (but dont talk about them)

[Fuscosco]

Disagree that no lunch is scum atm though.

eeeennh I was debating the idea that chara/nolunch was SvS or TvS . . . I think theres merit in it.

I kind of TR roster so Im not worried about him being forked w/me

[Fuscosco]

How do you feel about flubber rn?

[Fuscosco]

I know its not much to go on, but

[Fuscosco]

chara be teh scumz

[Fuscosco]

chara fusco roster ut

I feel like you could do better, but i mean youre already dead, rite?

[Fuscosco]

ut might be a good kill
do a ut/fus

[Fuscosco]

would rather not a fusco fork because he could still just be town who will then OMGUS fork me and that's a dumb way to go.

Im watching you go from decent posting to this, and then back.

this is . . . this.


I could say many things about this, but lets consider that this isnt what you say about someone you really SR. Watching you kind of flail around in an attempt to get TRed is interesting, I hope your response to pressure here helps me read you in the future.

[Fuscosco]

I demand satisfaction!

[Fuscosco]

I dont think I would fork ut myself, but

my gut say pp is the townier of ut/pp, but is still well within his range.

[Fuscosco]

They arent opposites, its independent.

ut is maybe scum for the

use

abuse of social cues and general lack of content. Id have to relook at them, but I dont recall anything of too much merit in their iso. Some setup spec, some (partially fabricated) conflict, and some joking.

[Fuscosco]

Its not a strong thing, but something nonetheless. Im of the opinion that scum is going to be tempted to lurker their way through the early game here due to the high turnover rate and lack of democratic voting.

[Fuscosco]

which is another reason I think a town fork for phase one is better.

[Fuscosco]

I dont think he said I was scum

[Fuscosco]

Right, weve been over this.

Forking 2 townies with grant us 4 forks 'tomorrow'. We guarentee 4 town-guided forks instead of two, and we can even arrange double forks that way to keep a really sus player from forking on 'day3'.

Its mostly just organizing the destruction this game will cause. I dont usually want to leash, control, or gamebreak, but I prefer this to a free-for-all.

[Fuscosco]

Im also convinced that mixing in town with the scum will let us control the killing more too. In fact, we have to kill town in order to get kills.

[Fuscosco]

lack of content

this is such bullshit

but its bullshit

you heard it straight from the pony's mouth

[Fuscosco]

right, but why is one of UT/Penguin scum?

weird to single out u

hunh?

[Fuscosco]

did i single them out? i was responding to a question

[Fuscosco]

Do you townread ut?

[Fuscosco]

Pick out some townreads and at least 2 scumreads

[Fuscosco]

cool lets fork me

[Fuscosco]

*sigh* Its a meme by now.

I mean, I dont mind being forked, but now its like, Im too invested to really

want

to be forked. Ive undone myself

[Fuscosco]

mmmmm

my gut say pp is the townier of ut/pp, but is still well within his range.
fl is being the boons I remember
I think the clemency hydra could be scum
I dont think PTD is a good phase one fork, but should go sooner than later
jingle is hard to read without real interactions hes high profile anyway so no reason to prioritize him first
I have no clue how to read bins
sky strikes me as very lightly green. but ever so light. more interactions would tell.
ten is one of my stronger trs rn
flubs is another decent phase one fork
prim is modestly town
chem is chem
nolunch has surprised me with how concise they are, and im a sucker for that.

[Fuscosco]

less confident in primate now
dont have a read on boons, but gut says 'town until day 3'
kind of like clemi for scum

[Fuscosco]

i dont think you can do that b4 the fork resolves, roster

[Fuscosco]

Its a race!

[Fuscosco]

damn

[Fuscosco]

I think fuscosco either is faking wanting to be forked or thinks it's a good strategy as town or scum so I think

which is it?

[Fuscosco]

Although you kind of forked yourself too

Im disappointed in you

[Fuscosco]

oh im town

[Fuscosco]

I was actually contemplating forking

Apollo
Flub/chara/primate

[Fuscosco]

weee

[Fuscosco]

Im upset at you roster.