Forkbomb Mafia (Endgame)

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hullo

this has a few implications.

my first instinct was to think scum would want to do this.
but my second is that town that was forked with a suspected scum (though likely scumread themselves) could deny the scum their kill
and that we should make sure that we provide clear lists of people to target with the second fork so that they can immediately shut down scum.

i foresee an issue where availability will cause 'unfair' priorities of action.

This post makes no sense.

it actually kind of does

double fork is like a lynch, why would we let a lynch candidate have a vengeful shot

i think bins could be scum

can't argue with this

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Yeah, my forks are probably going to be wild guesses at this point. If you see something suspicious say something

i support it

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VOTE: penguinpower

uwu

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I ALSO SCUMREAD NO LUNCH

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Milk should choose 2 lurkers at random.

lurking in the first 3 days isnt really a death sentence and also they would have to then fork

you got some hot takes

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fork the people spam posting after you say you'll fork lurkers

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tough mix between shooting people with bad reads because they're scum and good reads because we want to continue good lynching

i'm sure implosion did the math on this but i have no idea how to figure it out so let's just fork people we think are lame

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because if we hit scum (yay!) they will fork town with bad reads, who will hit town, who will try and hit scum, who will repeat this cycle

but i still think the best bet is just to hit scum, and we will likely have some "misfires" and those people will hopefully be pro-town good read bois

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bins if you think you can hide from the skittle onslaught just because ur a sitechat mod ur wrong

all skittles must go

i will publicly proclaim im not a real mod

(bins is town, one scum mayb in UT/PP)

hot take

but i like it

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Theoretically, could we fork everyone?

no

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UT and penguin can you stop bussing

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not my president

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Bins on the same page irks me.

Y?

She ignored a lot of things which I believed markedly more pertinent than the things she did not ignore. Her post with Skygazer felt uncomfortable. I spied her vote for Penguin out of the corner of my eye which also made me uncomfortable.

Do you disagree, Jingle?

i think i just make you uncomfortable, which is ok i make a lot of people uncomfortable

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Do you disagree, Jingle?

Not as such, no. What do you think she ignored that she shouldn't have?

Virtually anything other than what she posted about. Bins seems astute and I was hoping for something I may have missed.

get ready for disappointment



you're trying to pull reads from the first page, you're more asstoot than i am

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i sleep and reread the past few pages tmmr, i skimmed and got nothing interesting

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My strong page one reads are historically very accurate. They're also very easy to correct compared to later-phase reads, which tend to be easier to tunnel.

Go back and try again Bins.

ok now take your playstyle and completely flip it on its head, that's my playstyle. if i were to shout out early reads, i would just create paranoia for myself

oh and historically my reads are never accurate

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i think pp/ut may actually both be town, i take it back

i think skygazer's point(s) on fuscusondsnd are decent and i mostly agree

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mmmmm

my gut say pp is the townier of ut/pp, but is still well within his range.
fl is being the boons I remember
I think the clemency hydra could be scum
I dont think PTD is a good phase one fork, but should go sooner than later
jingle is hard to read without real interactions hes high profile anyway so no reason to prioritize him first
I have no clue how to read bins
sky strikes me as very lightly green. but ever so light. more interactions would tell.
ten is one of my stronger trs rn
flubs is another decent phase one fork
prim is modestly town
chem is chem
nolunch has surprised me with how concise they are, and im a sucker for that.

i either really like this post or really don't like it

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i'm skimmin a lot of people rn even tho they're posting a bunch, probably because i don't think reading their posts is going to help my read

i cant keep track of 16 other people

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just take whatever lunch is saying and i say the exact opposite for the sake of my pre-first fork reads

pedit - too late, mod bias is real

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Skygazer is mafia.

Chemist is town.
Untrod pings town.

Fusco is a snake eating a fish.

No other reads.

skygazer is town

chem is mafia
untrod pings scum but he's prob town because i dont see him backing down even after being scumread

fusco is a fish eating a snake


hot take

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do i pronounce your name like roosterfooster or rosterfoster



also like everything being said, i think no lunch is *too serious to be scum rn* in my mind, a type of player we never really see these days

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Bins comments feel anachronistic.

i googled this and i still dont know what it means

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sheep the rooster

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i dont have any strong feelings on jingle

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fork primate / fusco imo

or whoever i dont really care

listen to the rooster


or if you think you have an advantage reading anyone in this game, and they seem scummy, trust that and dont listen to me lol

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ha i said it b4 u

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ok now this just feels like mainstream and i wanna revolt

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good attempt

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im actually really not mad about this minus rooster dying but at least he got the two i wanted in

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primate b4 fork pls see flip ..

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Seriously, you're dead. Stop posting.

tbf it was never explicitly stated and it could work like a dayvig but yeah i feel like you guys are dead stop posting

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congrats ut

ay at least i got my primate/no lunch reads right

wait what

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Flubber/UT/Chemist I'm more good with though

i can see flubber and chem (mostly from lack of presence tho) but why UT

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after rooster said fork primate as a read, i think this string of posts is interesting:

i rlly wanna see primate get forked tbh

i rlly wanna see primate get forked tbh

i'm pretty much here atm

Spoiler: Walls for the wall god!

Do you disagree, Jingle?

Not as such, no. What do you think she ignored that she shouldn't have?

Virtually anything other than what she posted about. Bins seems astute and I was hoping for something I may have missed.

What is the most important event of the first 8 pages, alignment wise, fypov?

Still getting townvibes from UT. Dictating who and what to fork is pretty squicky, and he seems fully against that in a way that doesn't want towncred for being fully against that. Also, the whole narrative of UT/PP containing scum seems

wrong

somehow.

Kinda disliking Lunch at the moment too. He seems to be playing to an agenda.

Tenrose more town.

SNAKES is more meh as fork target, still down with the rooster tho.

AK probs town, hot take.

jingle is hard to read without real interactions hes high profile anyway so no reason to prioritize him first

hm.

oh, right. and Bins is obvtown, don't fork her.

Okay.

352 makes me 100% okay with no lunch fork, and 353 reinforces.

i've played with scum Jingle! he's hard to catch.

Actually it's super easy, barely an inconvenience. And when did you play with scum me? I can only remember us being TvT.

I think jingle is not talking as much as they have in the games I've played with them, that could be AI but I've never played with them as scum. Also, fusco is very flighty

Very slightly town indicative, but not to the point where it should be used as a tell. The question you should be asking is why I'm posting less.

VOTE: the worst

down with birds

For a minute, I thought ducky replaced in and I was happy. GJ, you ruined my day. Fascist.

tl;dr~ those noises the adults make in Peanuts.

i think this solidifies my skygazer decent town read

jingle making a catchup and not even making a primate comment is a little iffy, especially after how the page before was mostly about primate

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but am glad i read primate as scum and no lunch as town

i did it first

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yeah you have to rank UT and I in order of most forkable

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I'm liking skygazer for town at this point

not really a hot take


why PDT? one of his only reads was primate scum

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do you wanna talk to me boon + rose instead of just gossiping

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I'd like you to fork neither of those, so...

uh neither do i?

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do you wanna talk to me boon + rose instead of just gossiping

* do you wanna talk to me, boon + rose, instead of just gossiping

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What specifically do you want to talk about?

Boon has a point about the complete lack of scum theater from primate.

tenrose seems like the most obvtown player in the game.

What more is there to say?

what

i want them to talk about their scumread on me, duh

are you even following

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uh considering you just mentioned it having not talked to me this game

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PP is soft conftown. So...

My lack of knowing what’s going on is pretty townie.

Unless you think I’m dumb telling.

gut says ew

but i dont think ive ever not been ew by boons posting

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i dont like this fake persona of "i know what im doin" when you are also out of the game. confidence level doesnt match here, town or scum

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PP is soft conftown. So...

My lack of knowing what’s going on is pretty townie.

Unless you think I’m dumb telling.

gut says ew

but i dont think ive ever not been ew by boons posting

You’ve missed a lot over the years. I’ve gained a following.

and i havent gained any, still pretty shitty town

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What makes you think I’m out of the game?

Your literal argument for why you're not scum with Primate is that you've been less in the game:

PP is soft conftown. So...

My lack of knowing what’s going on is pretty townie.

Unless you think I’m dumb telling.

I’m just never scum with Primate here.

I’d be doing much more, at least at some point during the game.

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PP is soft conftown. So...

My lack of knowing what’s going on is pretty townie.

Unless you think I’m dumb telling.

gut says ew

but i dont think ive ever not been ew by boons posting

You’ve missed a lot over the years. I’ve gained a following.

and i havent gained any, still pretty shitty town

I don’t know about this one. I ran into an issue a little while ago because someone figured out “If Boon hasn’t caught scum by day 3, he’s probably scum.”

I’ve also been on sort of a tear as town lately, so I don’t know how much that tracks.

* I meant I'm shitty town, dude

i definitely think that one of the reasons I'm not naming you as a scumread is because you didn't do anything when primate was getting suspicion on him and the fact you've been mostly in the back of my mind, so i definitely agree with that

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Just because I have a scum read on you, doesn’t mean you’re scum, though, and I realize that.

i dont really get what this means but i think im just in a cranky mood today, and was confused that you just threw my name out, it felt random

pedit - ok..? thanks, i guess

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i really dont like that as an excuse dude

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Not big on forking lurkers atm

tbh we should fork the lurkers twice

if both no lunch and penguin want to fork chem or apollo, i think that it may make sense to have them both fork the same person to deny more kills
and if they're town, i don't really trust their fork choices anyways

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btw, if you fork 4 ppl simultaneously, and none are scum, it's lylo
even if one is scum, they'll prob instant fork, and it's lylo

if you're forked and town (by penguin and no lunch ofc), you should prob consider doing what rooster did and fork someone already forked so we can get the flip for info before making the lylo decision (? maybe)

there are too many ppl i dont want around in lylo

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thats not my point about LYLO

my point is, because when theres ex. 7 players alive and 3 scum and 4 forked players, we'll only need like two of the forked players forks, so its better for some of them to fork some already forked players to get flips

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and my other post had nothing to do with mafia forking to win the game, it had to do with decreasing number of people alive in an exponential way

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Now I want to fork Bins.

*sigh*

Back to this tomorrow.

i dont want a birthday fork

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This means that having more forked players as we approach LYLO is actually + town EV.

I don't know how you can think this

Are you seriously saying less flips and more people adding to the mafia wincon is better?

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If I am honest, my gut is screaming to fork Jingle. Outside of that I believe clearing the lurker list to some level is wise. Forked players immediately have incentive for engagement, and I sincerely believe that the mafia benefit from lurking to avoid stray forks.

Alright, I'm going to fork chemist and Apollo. Do you want to double up on one or fork four?

I don't really trust either of Chemist or Apollo's forks so imo doubling up on one of them isn't a bad idea

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tbh depending on flips will determine if i want flubber dead

i think i do tho

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penguin, final read on UT?

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were you seriously 1 min late? sad

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actually chemist/trump looks like a pretty town fork, maybe for the better then

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On that basis, I shall be holding my fork for the moment.

you want to let pdt fork? :/

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well, that gives me comfort

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if pdt was scum he would have forked by now 100% cause this is "technically" lylo and ofc scum cant go last

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jingle/flubber are my top picks for scum

flubber much more after chem flips scum, he was oddly against lynching lurkers and this may have been why

i also have varying townreads on all other players

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actually looking at isos maybe and jingle and flubber together doesn't make sense

more confident on flubber

need to read both primate and chem's iso (theyre short tho should be easy)

chara looks especially good after these flips

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would you believe me if i was just about to post that tenrose looks bad based on chem and primates posts

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I'm feeling a bit off today but posting anyway like a trooper.

No lunch seems town with plenty of evidence of thought patterns. Sky seems really town and I'm not sure where that's coming from.

Fuscosco feels like a group of bits stapled together. If he's a fork candidate I don't think it's warranted.

Mild town on pp just via fluency.

Don't really get where Tenrose is coming from.

I don't have a read I trust on UT.

Bins comments feel anachronistic.

Chara feels like an intentional overreaction/overfocus which is generally scummy.

If I was forking now it'd be chemist and Rooster.

This is the only thing that talks about people who aren't dead/forked

Sky - townread with no reasoning given, likely town from this just because if they were mafia Primate would likely find something to point at
Tenrose - No actual read given, but mentioned in a way that makes them look negative. Probably town.
UT - Always weird to mention a lack of a read while leaving people out of the readslist, likely town because I don't think they'd call attention to a buddy like that
Bins - Still don't know what anachronistic means, no idea
Chara - This read seems kinda weak, like it's kinda like it focuses on one thing so they could potentially backtrack on it later.

p-edit: dang it tenrose

yuck

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ok well then i was definitely about to say that

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flubber redemption arc

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DONT THINK AGREEING WITH ME WILL MAKE ME TOWNREAD YOU

(it totally will)

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what can i say? im a sucker for suckups

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i still think flubber, jingle, ten and maybe boon are my poe scum pool

skygazer and ut and chara are all town reads

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i gave you a second, third and fourth

they'll probably all be forked with you

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you can make em full dead if you think they're scum

deny tenrose the kill if you think the case against them

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*you like

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OOPS THE PAGETOP MADE ME POST IN THE WRONG GAME SORRY

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dont have two tabs open at once folks

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i mean i'm god awful at setup logic but i'm not sure how you can argue against denying scum kills and getting flips to make better decisions

only scum would want more forked town

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That way we can delay a catastrophic forkdeath.

you're arguing that we need more forked players so that we don't run over the deadline?

like having more forked (which contributes to the bad dudes winning) town to prevent going over time?

dude if we're gonna go over time, no one is gonna be forking forked players to prevent dl if that was the issue in the first place

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tl;dr~ Fork the scummiest player who isn't already forked until we're in potential LYLO, at which point we force the scummiest player who is already forked to do the forking. If they fail to do so, we club them over the head and proceed to the next player in line.

okay again, I might be an idiot when it comes to theory, but this still doesn't make sense
You're acting like we have a bunch of misforks let and tons of scum, but we literally get more incorrect fork

1) We don't care about scum who are already forked, they're already contributing to our wincon and as you said, can't fork in LYLO
2) Scum can get out of a failed situation by just forking forked players (not causing them to win) and will likely fork instantly
3) this is how it's going to go:
we have 4 people who are forked, if all of them are town, we lose
we have 4 people who are forked, one is scum, they instantly fork the forked people with bad reads + one alive town with bad reads, still not a very good situation because scum gets to choose the flips . your situation doesn't even come into play. or they can hold onto it if they want and we choose (per your post) who we want to do the forking, and two people are killed with limited information and we either win or lose .. again, your theory doesn't matter

OR we can do what i was suggesting, which is deny scum their kill by double-forking people, and stop having to preemptively fork town before we have no information

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*get one more incorrect fork

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I hate the fact youre only scumreading me for the fact I disagree with your clearly wrong game theory, but I also think you theory post is town because I'm not really sure how that strat would secretly help scum

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tl;dr~ Fork the scummiest player who isn't already forked until we're in potential LYLO, at which point we force the scummiest player who is already forked to do the forking. If they fail to do so, we club them over the head and proceed to the next player in line.

or, in even simpler terms,

I'm not disagreeing with this, in a way, but I don't think it matters at all
let's take the case where the "clubbing on the head" way works perf

we fork one town, one scum
we force the scummy dude to fork, he's prob already happily forked 2 town (3 town alive, 1 scum - lylo)
last forked player has to make the deciding lylo decision

we fork 2 town, then a forked town forks a town and a scum (3 town alive, 1 scum - lylo, and 3 forked)
say the scummiest dude is obvscum, we force them to fork, they can't fork the two alive town, so they fork a forked town and one town, again, lylo

what im saying is that in the last situation, it would be GOOD if a town player forked the forked players, because they may fork the scum and cause a flip, and give us more info

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youre only scumreading me for the fact I disagree with your clearly wrong game theory

And to be clear, I'm scumreading you because your plan is exactly: "Let's put the game in the hands of a person chosen by scum." Literally the only worse option would be to let the timer run down until we were in LYLO.

when am I saying that??

I'm saying we should FORK the forked scum player's so they cant make their move

when have i ever said i want scum to fork

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First of all, yeah, I was of the belief we had more living players than we do (by one).

OR we can do what i was suggesting, which is deny scum their kill by double-forking people, and stop having to preemptively fork town before we have no information

No. If we double fork two people here, we're at 5 Alive.

If we hit two scum, gg, we win. We would have won anyway.

If we hit 1 scum, 1 town we're at 5 alive and one town forked. who then has a 1/4+1/3 chance of winning the game. Woohoo, except for the fact that scum chose exactly who had the choice to fork, so... probably a loss there.

If we hit 0 scum, we're at 5 Alive, with scum's choice of town player to fork next. And they have to hit scum FIRST out of their choices. So... almost certainly a loss there.

Scum being forked and still alive here is 100% a nonissue.

1. im not saying double fork two people, i'm saying double fork scumreads which is sooooo not a hot take, it's pretty common sense
alive we'd be at 6 alive, there's 8 people alive rn
2. so that the forked town can therefore STOP THE SCUM FROM FORKING and giving them the choice to fork
3. scenario 3 doesnt ever happen, there would still be a forked player

you're arguing a completely different case here

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youre only scumreading me for the fact I disagree with your clearly wrong game theory

And to be clear, I'm scumreading you because your plan is exactly: "Let's put the game in the hands of a person chosen by scum." Literally the only worse option would be to let the timer run down until we were in LYLO.

when am I saying that??

I'm saying we should FORK the forked scum player's so they cant make their move

when have i ever said i want scum to fork

If no lunch and DT fork the same two people, SCUM CHOOSE THE PERSON WHO IS FORKED. REGARDLESS OF THE ALIGNMENTS OF THE PEOPLE NO LUNCH AND DT FORK.

I AM NOT SAYING TO DOUBLE FORK BOTH OF THEM JESUS CHRIST I'M SAYING TO DOUBLE FORK THE SCUMMIEST

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i'm not an idiot i'm not saying to force the game into a night phase what the heck

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this is my freaking plan jingle, names are an example

1. no lunch forks 1 scum and 1 town (yay!)
2. pdt or that town forks the 1 scum (yay!) scum doesn't get the chance to shoot, they also fork another town consequently (sad)
we're at 2 forked town, 1 scum, and 3 town
3. we are in a situation completely chosen by town, and we have a bunch of flip info, scum didnt get to shoot

and i think all the other outcomes of this plan are better (see above, yadayadyaaD)

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scum forking is bad, i'm not sure how to argue that. they would then choose the lylo they get to be in, which is not good. it doesn't matter at that point that the dead people are cleared

and second, i'm not sure how you're getting this 5p/6p lylo situation? what do you mean? if no lunch and pdt both fork wrong, we lose . if we double fork:
1. no lunch forks two town
2. pdt forks 1 fork and 1 town (5 people alive)
3. we get an extra fork WHICH IS GOOD

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if we don't double fork and we miss, we miss that extra round

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ok wait no i see what you mean, but we have an extra flip to work with in my case

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this argument is pretty stupid, my plan isn't bad and neither is yours, but it really doesnt matter, which is literally what i was trying to say. i was just bringing up and argument for why it was good to double up on one fork, which i think i have shown, and you were saying we should have more forked people in lylo, which i inherently disagree with (because less flips) and we dont have enough alive ppl to make that matter

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Jingle and Flavor Leaf.
I am losing my townread on Skygazer.
If you dislike my choices, talk me out of them.

i would prefer ten and flubber at this point. why not them

i'm not sure if jingle is town or just scum who has overthought the setup as a way to appear town
i will see how they respond to this "misunderstanding"

pedit - oh yay more arguments
dude i really really dont see how you want scum to pick the lylo setup which will be without 2 obvtown for sure (or the two towniest, hardiest to lynch)
when we pick we'll be forking scummy people SO THAT THEY WONT BE IN LYLO

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i would prefer ten and flubber at this point. why not them

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ok i can do a better explanation of ten rose, but tbh it's all from having the worst connections to primate and chem

"the NEED to survive" what does this even mean and refer to

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I actually think it’s pretty strong. I generally have complete control when I’m scum in someway. 2 scum are dead and I’m not even stepping up.

i also remember a lot of self meta from scum boon too, and you seem to be relying all on that

you are my weakest "bottom 4" and i dont really think we need to flip you, so what do you think of ten, flubber and jingle

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Bins I think is trying to poison the well against me since I pushed there after primate

the well was pre-poisoned

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Consider: Bins scum is more concerned with not being forked than any specific town fork happening. If I am forked, she is clearly one of the two people I would fork. Therefore, me being forked and then being allowed to fork is against her wincon.

i literally said fork you before you even starting posting this, and you didn't have a townread on me
did you ever think maybe im gaining a townread on you after interaction with you and realizing i dont see it coming from scum

also i am literally pushing someone scumreading me

pedit - ok, it's been a long time since i played with boon

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Bins I think is trying to poison the well against me since I pushed there after primate

the well was pre-poisoned

What does this even mean?

-rose

as in, i'm just going off of your iso

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didn't have big reads on chemist and primate, but i think primate and chem's read of them is glaring

as flubber mentions, both tenrose and primate had "confusion" reads of each other, primates horrible post:

Don't really get where Tenrose is coming from.

This is the only thing that talks about people who aren't dead/forked

Tenrose - No actual read given, but mentioned in a way that makes them look negative. Probably town.

where he says that he doesnt understand tenrose, which is the most s/s stance i've ever seen
and the chemist comes in and interprets it as "prob town" which is the second most s/s/ stance i've ever seen

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i think my order is now ten, flubber, jingle and UT

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I’d still make sure to not let her end game, however.

this sort of

is

endgame

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where he says that he doesnt understand tenrose, which is the most s/s stance i've ever seen

Why?

tbh his read on UT and me is pretty bad for the same reasons, but the not committal stance of saying something that really doesnt give a stance seems super scummy to me. like why even say that in a readslist

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where he says that he doesnt understand tenrose, which is the most s/s stance i've ever seen

Why?

tbh his read on UT and me is pretty bad for the same reasons, but the not committal stance of saying something that really doesnt give a stance seems super scummy to me. like why even say that in a readslist

But why is it scummy? And why does otherscum draw attention to it if it is S/S?

I'll give you weird, and I definitely don't see it as townclearing for TenRose, but being scummy is kinda :/

Also, are you talking about Prim's read on yout or TR's read on yout?

he wasn't, the read was slid in with his others, not an intention drawing statement, he was commenting on every read primate made in that post
it was a townread also that ten shouldnt have been townread for

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I really wanna town read Bins.

i feel like my stuff in relation to BOTH primate and chemist should help

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actually liberals are red in canada so they prob are mafia

chara fork makes me sad, ten fork makes me happy

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i appreciate the read change but what exactly makes me town

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lol wow i wish WE HAD A DOUBLE FORK

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damn dude

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THAT WAS SO UNEXPECTED I THINK I HAD A HEART ATTACK WTF DUDE

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i really thought we had this in the bag, either ten or i winning

really gj to boon