Starry Night [Game Over]

[Ankamius]

too late to be the solo dancer

[Ankamius]

I feel very self conscious that the mod doesn't approve of MariaR and me being dance partners

[Ankamius]

hi ali!

[Ankamius]

hows life

[Ankamius]

i beat a pokemon game
i was vry disapointed with it

which game?

[Ankamius]

btw I keep trying to play any of them but I almost immediately lose interest

how do I stop doing that

[Ankamius]

you should play trails in the sky

it's a great jrpg

[Ankamius]

you better

[Ankamius]

hi gr

[Ankamius]

go for it

you're in my scumreads so that would help a lot

[Ankamius]

which ones are left?

[Ankamius]

ewwwwwwww yeah you should get dunn

[Ankamius]

GR doesn't feel like town atm

[Ankamius]

scumread on the conftown

nice

[Ankamius]

I'm ok with that

I'm townreading both

[Ankamius]

oh dear lord

[Ankamius]

this predance was disappointing

[Ankamius]

Also it's pretty fucked that we are giving shiro and creature partners and apparently not Ali or pops lmao scum are cleaning up here completely for free

[Ankamius]

well I'm saying bitmap instead of creature but still

[Ankamius]

who's left?

[Ankamius]

oh wait it's alisae + popsofctown isn't it

LOL

[Ankamius]

btw I'm just going to trust consensus on unwnd and that my point on him was a fluke so in that case

we 100% paired all three scum

[Ankamius]

dunn/bitmap
firebringer/shiro

these two pairings should go first dance

[Ankamius]

oka/gamma is a good lynch too

[Ankamius]

creature stop trying to remove my townread of you

[Ankamius]

dunn/bitmap
firebringer/shiro

these two pairings should go first dance

Not my pair, no

bitmap 100% has to flip

[Ankamius]

you literally chose the slot that always has to flip

why

[Ankamius]

yeah my townread on creature is gone

[Ankamius]

creature are you okay

[Ankamius]

Unwnd-pops is a game-winning pair, so let's make that happen.

honestly

there's so many pairs that have to be flipped that I'm actually okay with that

[Ankamius]

At least we're likely getting rid of a top-3 poster, even if she's probably town.

I'm saddened by this post :(

[Ankamius]

ehhhh

actually creature can just be town

[Ankamius]

That was me saying that the mod had missed our pairing

[Ankamius]

It really goes to show how approach matters to this since in MD, two scum were in the last 2-3 pairings made

[Ankamius]

Ank what do you mean?

Looking over the pairing I'm super cranky about Kagami pairing with Gaiden because Gaiden's iso is conspicuously devoid of content but I don't want to lynch the IC, especially before intermission. It seems like pro-scum pairing on par with DV's but unlike Cephrir I can't express my anger in lynch form

The last few pairings were all the players that didn't have survival equity while all the townread players paired up

It literally doomed two scum slots from the start even though town was left out because they were in pairings that objectively were better to lynch first

[Ankamius]

The methodology was significantly in favor of town and it was a lot easier to reach that since we had to be far more careful about pairings

[Ankamius]

Ank what do you mean?

Looking over the pairing I'm super cranky about Kagami pairing with Gaiden because Gaiden's iso is conspicuously devoid of content but I don't want to lynch the IC, especially before intermission. It seems like pro-scum pairing on par with DV's but unlike Cephrir I can't express my anger in lynch form

The last few pairings were all the players that didn't have survival equity while all the townread players paired up

It literally doomed two scum slots from the start even though town was left out because they were in pairings that objectively were better to lynch first

Can you back this up with previous games or is this a bunch of WIFOM?

it's literally what happened in the last dance setup

[Ankamius]

FIST DANCE FTW

[Ankamius]

VOTE: OkaPoka

[Ankamius]

btw

I'm wanting a grand total of 5 different pairs lynched in whatever order

so

[Ankamius]

how does it feel being in one of the only two pairings I don't want flipped immediately pops

[Ankamius]

I lied I want 4 pairings flipped

[Ankamius]

2 of Shiro/Oka/Bitmap pairings need to flip d1

[Ankamius]

if at least 2 scum are in those 3 pairings, this game really should just be auto

[Ankamius]

because bitmap is in it

[Ankamius]

his entire approach to the game isn't town

[Ankamius]

his entire approach to the game isn't town

What is his approach to the game?

self-survival over everything else, including what's better for town

[Ankamius]

i think it's pretty silly to try to say who you want lynched for like the entirety of the game

If that's not informed by flips ur doing it wrong

that's what happens when all my scumreads end up in different pairings

[Ankamius]

because you're not town

[Ankamius]

brb changing my avatar

[Ankamius]

avatar change successfull

[Ankamius]

what did I miss

[Ankamius]

oh I'm being scumread for scumreading unwnd and bitmap?

lol?

[Ankamius]

Why oka?

oka doesn't feel genuine with anything he's posting

I get the impression he cares way too much about how he and his posts look

[Ankamius]

hi I'm that one bitch that reads people by how town they are

[Ankamius]

you say that like you believe I haven't burned 2/3 of this game out of my memory already

you're a really funny one oka

[Ankamius]

a. creature has a tendency to obvtown over time
b. creature's entrance makes it deduceable that he will eventually obvtown
c. two separate slots try to pair with him almost immediately despite not looking all that town in the moment
d. :thonk:

[Ankamius]

yeah that totally disproves what I said oka

[Ankamius]

yeah that totally disproves what I said oka

i asked out creature one post in

point

that makes oversoul's a lot worse than yours but it technically still works

[Ankamius]

I think the angle that scum would want to pair with creature because he'll eventually look like town is a bit of a reach, I don't think it's very likely that that is what happened

well yeah

that's why I didn't ever bring it up again

[Ankamius]

I'm aware of that oka

[Ankamius]

does it really matter oka

you haven't looked town all game

[Ankamius]

I don't think you know how this works oka

[Ankamius]

ank u have to be accountable for your reads please elaborate

I don't think you know how this works oka

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Firebringer

[Ankamius]

I wasn't impressed with anything bitmap posted in that post

[Ankamius]

what I was townreading bitmap for wasn't strong enough for me to be confident in it with all the scumreads he had

[Ankamius]

idr

[Ankamius]

I think an altina avatar matches how I feel about this game pretty well

I'm proud of myself

[Ankamius]

what I was townreading bitmap for wasn't strong enough for me to be confident in it with all the scumreads he had

So you just follow along with what everyone else is saying instead of what you think?

no

I double check my reads when they're unpopular to make sure they're valid

I figured out that my townread didn't have as strong a basis as I originally thought it would so it became a weaker read

[Ankamius]

lol I didn't expect it to start that fast

[Ankamius]

brb changing my avatar

I don't see the difference.

W O W

I'm mad

[Ankamius]

btw

I'm pretty sure I've figured out scum's strategy this game

[Ankamius]

btw

I'm pretty sure I've figured out scum's strategy this game

Cool, what is it

I'll discuss it in my neighborhood

because it almost entirely precludes mariar being scum if it's true

[Ankamius]

yes

that's why I'm discussing it in the neighborhood first

[Ankamius]

are we talking about the same thing

[Ankamius]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

"deepwolf"

YOU'RE A RIOT GR

[Ankamius]

ceph what's your read on your dance partner

[Ankamius]

creature didn't get a gut townread within a page of him joining the game so ofc creature is scumreading me

[Ankamius]

ceph what's your read on your dance partner

For most of the game I've been waiting for the game to slow down as I suspected it was tough for him to keep up and get to in the moment interactions

His PT posting is making me feel better so far so I'd give him a small town lean

interesting

what is he trying to do in the PT?

[Ankamius]

idc about details

just a general idea of what he's doing

[Ankamius]

ok I really don't know what to think about that

uhhhhhhhhh

[Ankamius]

brb changing my avatar

I don't see the difference.

W O W

I'm mad

Maybe innovate on avatar?

they're

two separate people

[Ankamius]

ok I really don't know what to think about that

uhhhhhhhhh

This is very dramatic

nou

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE: Firebringer

[Ankamius]

VOTE: unwnd

[Ankamius]

gaiden what are your reads

[Ankamius]

DeasVail - Cephrir

Kagami

- SXTLHGaiden

Ankamius

- MariaR
Firebringer - Shiro
OkaPoka -

Gamma Emerald

Dunnstral - Bitmap
unwnd - popsofctown

Golden Robster

- Creature

[Ankamius]

DeasVail - Cephrir

Kagami

- SXTLHGaiden

Ankamius

- MariaR

Firebringer

- Shiro
OkaPoka -

Gamma Emerald

Dunnstral - Bitmap
unwnd - popsofctown

Golden Robster

- Creature

[Ankamius]

I hate to say this but if Dunn ends up being a townie I'm pretty sure Maria is playing you and not the other way around.

explain this

[Ankamius]

what is scum!mariar's plan in pairing with me anyways

[Ankamius]

lupin is not a shoshin alt

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that's not exactly a weird reason considering that's the reason I near-locked dunn as town at the time

[Ankamius]

I currently have no read on either slot

[Ankamius]

I currently have no read on either slot

[Ankamius]

my gamestate read saying I shouldn't be townreading either of them atm

[Ankamius]

Like 98% of the posts in the last few pages were not useful to anything

[Ankamius]

I'm seeing a lot of my townreads posting and none of the people I'm not townreading

That makes it noise

[Ankamius]

MariaR hasn't posted in the PT since I think before that original post

[Ankamius]

Firebringer has scum equity

[Ankamius]

Watch me oka

[Ankamius]

Ankamius ur still not forgiven for skipping on our date.

[Ankamius]

it took an embarrassingly long time to make that postable on my phone

[Ankamius]

Yes android

[Ankamius]

I downloaded it and reuploaded it to imgur

then went to the image itself and copied the link

[Ankamius]

Do you have the link to the post or the picture

[Ankamius]

target locked

[Ankamius]

shiro can get in line

[Ankamius]

that just makes you first to get slapped down

[Ankamius]

I'm scum with one of my top scumreads

nice

[Ankamius]

do u think u wouldn't be bussing here? I never even thought about that ur reads into my scumreads here.

bussing is pointless in this scenario

[Ankamius]

is it weird i didn't even know u had scumreads? U seem very apathetic this game.

is this to me

[Ankamius]

target locked

Why are you voting uwnd?

UNVOTE: unwnd
VOTE: DeasVail

[Ankamius]

You're legitimately insane if you think we are SvS

[Ankamius]

I spent a good chunk of the day trying to pair town with town and the majority of the pairings that ended up happening were despite my efforts, not because of them

If you think we managed to lolololol these pairings while looking like we didn't, then you necessarily should be reaching the conclusion that we have enough of an idea of how this playerlist plays that we really shouldn't even be scumread at all here, because that level of knowledge is required to pull shit like that off

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You weren't paying any attention if that was your impression

[Ankamius]

I'm switching track, fire

I'm also giving most of the spicier thoughts I have to the pt

[Ankamius]

DeasVail - Cephrir

Kagami

- SXTLHGaiden

Ankamius

- MariaR

Firebringer

- Shiro
OkaPoka -

Gamma Emerald

Dunnstral

- Bitmap
unwnd - popsofctown

Golden Robster

- Creature

[Ankamius]

what did I miss

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Like 98% of the posts in the last few pages were not useful to anything

We found our first geriatric diapers club member.

you sound like an old man telling me to get off your lawn

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what did I miss

Well, we had a nice waltz and apparently a foxtrot.
We've been kinda hanging around the punchbowl since then though.

does this dance need an intervention

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Like

I'm at the point where I need to be certain of like 3 more people being town and I literally might just start hard pushing pairings

The way we are handling things right now is not productive to a town wincon

[Ankamius]

Guys

You understand that MariaR is a strong enough scum player that you're probably not going to catch her with really simple shit like that, right

[Ankamius]

I have all kinds of bad feelings about how my pairing is being handled

[Ankamius]

I have all kinds of bad feelings about how my pairing is being handled

Are you going to defend your dance partner then?

No shit I am

This push is sleazy as fuck

[Ankamius]

I have some private thoughts that I'd rather keep to myself but it's indicative if MariaR flips scum.

FTR posts like this don't make me feel any better about your alignment

[Ankamius]

Why does that need to be resolved now

Both pairings are unlikely to endgame regardless of what happens, so why do we need to resolve a set of associatives by lynching one of them first

[Ankamius]

Tbh I'm not feeling that pairing as lynch1 anymore

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Tbh I'm not feeling that pairing as lynch1 anymore

Why though? I feel you're trying to take on the whole game and trying to roll like a perfect game

It's better imo to make mistakes now (if you feel this is a mistake) than later

no

I think both of them are town

[Ankamius]

I've thought that for a while now but I've kept it hidden on purpose

[Ankamius]

I have my own process

I'm switching my reads from direct to indirect because I think this is a point past where my reads are likely to be >rand without looking at the bigger picture

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Like

I have an idea of what's going on but I'm struggling to match it to specific players as scum because of how awkward the game is set up

[Ankamius]

Idk what any of that has to do with what I just said unwnd

I never said I was the only one doing it, just that I'm trying to solidify my own view of it

[Ankamius]

Ok

That doesn't change that I still townread both oka and gamma

[Ankamius]

I like to think I can read people who push on me

[Ankamius]

Shiro and Bitmap yes

[Ankamius]

Guys

You understand that MariaR is a strong enough scum player that you're probably not going to catch her with really simple shit like that, right

So that's why you paired with her?

What does that have to do with anything

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I think I have reasonable odds of eventually seeing through her game plan if she's scum yes

[Ankamius]

I'm one of them kagami

If not the only one

[Ankamius]

100% loudest one though

[Ankamius]

Wait I was ever scumreading fb???

[Ankamius]

Someday I'll figure out the "scumread someone and all their scumreads" phenomenon

[Ankamius]

It's an admission you might be wrong one 1 or 2 of them
we can't all be on your level
but I will revel in my superiority in the narrow subset of skills: "having figured out the scumread someone and all their scumreads phenomenon"

I'm confused what correlates that to the quality of my reads

If anything it should be a red flag that their reads on either me or my scumreads are wrong and probably should be reassessed

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And before some smartass says that I'm townreading oka, that was only recently revealed

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I was outlining why thinking MariaR and I being SvS is just dumb

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gaiden is town tho

[Ankamius]

gaiden is town tho

ur avatar and posting makes me think ur constantly about to fall asleep.

are you sure I'm not

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technically it's possible that a scum!dunn picked bitmap to maintain the status quo of general reads instead of having bitmap flip town and forcing a bunch of people to rethink their reads

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oh right

I'll be in my neighborhood

[Ankamius]

I'm your strongest townread???????

[Ankamius]

uh oh am I about to be smacked

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actually, now that I think about it

the last time I saw a bunch of easy scum equity in her interactions, I townread her and she eventually flipped town

I think I'll just do the same thing here and bury that hatchet

[Ankamius]

mariar

[Ankamius]

DeasVail - Cephrir

Kagami

-

SXTLHGaiden

Ankamius

-

MariaR

Firebringer

- Shiro
OkaPoka -

Gamma Emerald

Dunnstral

- Bitmap
unwnd - popsofctown

Golden Robster

- Creature

[Ankamius]

did you fill out the forms you need to fill out to get to use the word "scum equity"

I invented those forms

[Ankamius]

as it turns out

when you look at a player that seems to be obvscumming for no reason

and you look at it through a lens that they're a strong scum player that probably shouldn't be that blatantly obvious

maybe they're not scum

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as it turns out

when you look at a player that seems to be hilariously terrible for no reason

and you look at it through a lens that they're a strong town player that probably shouldn't be that blatantly bad

maybe they're not town

[Ankamius]

I don't really put 2591 onto anyone here

just making a point that BoP is a thing and people should probably be using it more

[Ankamius]

What actions of mine look like obv scum to you.

I don't think you've been obvscumming but I've seen like 4-6 people scumread you for reasons that I either can't find or are very ??????? so I can only assume they're finding really easy scumtells or something

[Ankamius]

then they're probably town

[Ankamius]

I had a response for 2600 but I can't word it so I just won't

Although I will say that the vast majority of the site would have a far better time reading me just by seeing whether the way I'm playing would be stupid as scum or not

[Ankamius]

*on fire* emoji for 2609, but I would be against that as lynch numero uno.

I'm so close to town locking pops too

[Ankamius]

Wtf that was q+ed?

[Ankamius]

lol@last few pages

[Ankamius]

Gamma/oka is probably tvt

[Ankamius]

I think Gamma is kinda obvtown and oka is more likely town than not

[Ankamius]

When you consider that I am more willing to lynch 4 other pairings than them, it changes things a bit doesn't it

[Ankamius]

I respect her play as both alignments enough to be able to say that I believe the way she's playing the game is more likely to be from town than scum

I'm really not seeing why she specifically seeked me out as a dance partner this game as scum, it's technically possible but I'm not at all convinced it was a plan that needed to be executed the way it was considering how likely it was for the game to just be a trainwreck

[Ankamius]

I made it pretty clear early on I wasn't looking for endgame ability as much as I was looking to set up other pairings to endgame for me

In order for her to have a reasonable shot at being scum with that, she either has to be confident that the two of us endgame or that the other scum can be set up to endgame potentially without her

Both require a lot of planning out pairings and deciding what exactly scum are going to be doing for the rest of the game and I don't think that's especially practical

[Ankamius]

then why me dunn

[Ankamius]

ngl

this sounds to me like reasoning you can apply to say anyone is scum

[Ankamius]

No

You're saying Maria isn't scum because she picked you

And you expect her to have plotted out the entire game from pre-dance

That's bogus

for her to be definitely scum yes

I'd expect her to have a gameplan for how to play the game out and pairing with someone who has a tendency to get paranoia scumread is probably not the most lucrative choice to pair with if you want to endgame

[Ankamius]

ftr this is the kind of thing that you generally try to figure out when you already have scumflips exactly because this kind of thing is so nebulous when you're just taking shots in the dark

[Ankamius]

I was townreading her before I even asked

[Ankamius]

that's less likely since she specifically stated she was wanting to dance with me well before that happened

[Ankamius]

what does 2790 even mean

[Ankamius]

Oh gotcha

[Ankamius]

Why that pairing

[Ankamius]

I hope so Deas, because until I see a fairly strong reason to TR either you or Ceph, I'm going to be very hesitant to want your pairing in the final 4 pairings

[Ankamius]

My brain is full of fuck right now

[Ankamius]

If oka is scum I'm going to lol

[Ankamius]

Btw if oka is scum

Then I want either Shiro or Bitmap flipped

[Ankamius]

Then deas/Ceph sometime second dance too

[Ankamius]

Btw whichever surviving pairing of Kagami Gaiden and unwnd pops should be the designated final pairing

Pending MariaR convincing me on unwnd town like she was suggesting earlier (?)

[Ankamius]

Sorry GE :(

[Ankamius]

Yay

[Ankamius]

Do not end the day please

[Ankamius]

I think my reads were likely good D1 with how much oka was pushing my shit so much all game

I think it was a discredit attempt

[Ankamius]

But I need to double check some things before I decide anything

[Ankamius]

VOTE: DeasVail

[Ankamius]

Bitmap needs to flip sooner rather than later btw

[Ankamius]

Ftr I think deas is scum mainly by okas neighborhood comments

[Ankamius]

Deas probably distanced as a last ditch effort

[Ankamius]

Oka sorry

[Ankamius]

Plus I read a couple games of his a while back and he doesn't sound anything like those

[Ankamius]

Fb + Shiro is a bad lynch

I will go into more later

[Ankamius]

Creature

Shotgun reads?

[Ankamius]

You need to town up if you're town asap because this game is close to solved and I don't want another sky's mini to happen

[Ankamius]

Creature

Shotgun reads?

Thinking about doing Deas/Ceph

Objections?

I don't want to end just yet but that's about 70% what I'm going to want

[Ankamius]

Actually that is convincing to me

Nice that's another TvT pair