Starry Night [Game Over]

[Firebringer]

Dunnstral, let me go down this route instead.

How does bitmap play this if he is scum? Lets assume he is town. What does he do differently in your opinion?

[Firebringer]

target locked

heyyy newb. Shiro thinks ur scum too.

[Firebringer]

well i am at the front.

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shiro thinks maria is scum too, which i doubt.

[Firebringer]

that just makes you first to get slapped down

Nou

[Firebringer]

i think scum team is deasveal/bitmap/ankamius

I got the whole game solved.

[Firebringer]

do u think u wouldn't be bussing here? I never even thought about that ur reads into my scumreads here.

[Firebringer]

You're policy lynch tier

If you want a fight. I will bring it dunnstral. Don't even go there.

[Firebringer]

is it weird i didn't even know u had scumreads? U seem very apathetic this game.

[Firebringer]

You are describing your scum game pal.

[Firebringer]

You're definitely policy lynch tier and it's laughable if you want to argue otherwise

nou

[Firebringer]

You are describing your scum game pal.

?

Your scumgame is explicitly on ensuring not enough attention is brought to yourself.

[Firebringer]

if i had to describe ur scumgame it is essentially that dunny. You try to focus on making sure you blend enough with the game that you don't raise anyones feathers to really examine you in detail.

[Firebringer]

a) I disagree that that is my scumgame
b) That's not what I'm doing in this game
c) I thought we were talking about Bitmap, why did you deflect and point to my scumgame?

a) okay
b) no it isn't, which is why i hard townread u
c) I am saying ur applying the standards of which you operate scum onto bitmap.

[Firebringer]

do i need to go reread the things in the last few pages because ur POV of this is really just opposite of what I read.

[Firebringer]

Do you disagree that Bitmap, as scum, would be more mindful about saying something that might come back to bite him when he is at a crucial point, those points being

I don't generally see him as that type of player so far, but there has been a dramatic shift in tone of bitmap since day start so that is a possibility that he would try to be more mindful as scum than he has been.

[Firebringer]

The dramatic shift in tone is looking back at Rvs and his opening posts though. They were different, I don't think that makes them scummy... why is "dramatic shift in tone" a reason to scumread someone, in the first place?

I doubt he doesn't think before making potentially controversial statements as scum

wasn't saying that was a reason to scumread him. I was saying that was a thing that happened and could be throwing of my abilities to judge how this player operates.

You are leaning town for me fire

But I haven't had a good track record with reading you so I'm not weighing that heavily. Shiro is still very unreadable.

i think scum team is deasveal/bitmap/ankamius

I got the whole game solved.

Also, I think this is a dumb solve, and looks more like 3 individual scumreads than a team

they are 3 individual scumreads.

is it weird i didn't even know u had scumreads? U seem very apathetic this game.

is this to me

yes

[Firebringer]

i mean u were playing hardcore earlier i guess. It was one of the reasons i was like "maybe I am wrong?" but idk. Seems u can't keep up the pace to me.

[Firebringer]

I was outlining why thinking MariaR and I being SvS is just dumb

i agree

[Firebringer]

how do u rate ur town usefulness gaiden?

[Firebringer]

so do you think town usefulness is an important factor for anything here?

[Firebringer]

ehh maybe i should just not try to read u. might be wasted effort considering u and kagami linked.

[Firebringer]

gaiden is town tho

ur avatar and posting makes me think ur constantly about to fall asleep.

[Firebringer]

i don't think scum!dunny pairs with bitmap over alisae. Is that a good point towards town!dunny?

@gamma did u read my point about how dun plays scum and how he isn't playing like that?

[Firebringer]

i don't think scum!dunny pairs with bitmap over alisae. Is that a good point towards town!dunny?

@gamma did u read my point about how dun plays scum and how he isn't playing like that?

I personally agree with your analysis of Dunn's scum play but don't see how this isn't it

why

[Firebringer]

I wanna read MariaR just like any old player

I have played with her before and this is correct.

what does this even mean

[Firebringer]

*Thumbs up* emoji for pops 2608

[Firebringer]

i don't scumread u ceph but u continually do stuff i remember from my scum game as teammates with u

[Firebringer]

I don't understand why she wouldn't pair with you as scum

in maria land she would do anything as scum

[Firebringer]

why not

[Firebringer]

Mom dad don’t fight

[Firebringer]

well fuck. i was wrong about oka.

[Firebringer]

Firebringer is hilariously obvtown

suuurreeeee ank. sure.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: bitmap

[Firebringer]

i mean i think bitmap is scum regardless of what ur reads are.

[Firebringer]

i actually don't think ur scum anymore. but i think ur overblowing ur read on me.

[Firebringer]

i don't think u should be this confident in reading me. yes.

[Firebringer]

tough shit

nou

[Firebringer]

tough shit

nou

I have a near solve

what do you have

mafia sux and idc

[Firebringer]

should i be reconsidering my reads?

I still think deas is scum in ceph/deas

[Firebringer]

should i be reconsidering my reads?

I still think deas is scum in ceph/deas

Does there need to be scum in Ceph/Deas?

no, but if there is one, it isn't Ceph.

[Firebringer]

my reads really haven't evolved since day 1 start. Except for no longer scumreading Ank.

Idk if that means I am on track or just not thinking/reading a lot about this game.

[Firebringer]

so u admit i could be scum!!!!!

[Firebringer]

ur a troll ank

[Firebringer]

deas feels like he is over explaining himself for his reads. But he has been doing that pretty much all game. I feel that should be out of place or weird.

I don't know deas well.

[Firebringer]

i don't think town!deas does a reversal on bitmap here.

[Firebringer]

What the hell, DV? That vote was really really bad.

this is def not a real reaction.

[Firebringer]

What the hell, DV? That vote was really really bad.

this is def not a real reaction.

ok

this was real.

[Firebringer]

i still have hard time shaking my reads are so in alignment with anks.

i feel subconsciously that might be why i am townreading her now......which is bad. Idk she isn't acting scummy at all. Was it paranoia i scumread her? I DONT EVEN KNOW ANYMORE >.>

[Firebringer]

@ank because i don't think i have a good reason too, but i don't even know why. I just feel like ur not scum.

that annoyance when u can't explain a feeling.

[Firebringer]

i am gonna say something crazy here.

i think ank/maria should be in endgame.

[Firebringer]

Baka!

[Firebringer]

How about we lynch fireshiro since we all agree on that and then we can argue the merits of this other thing once we know for sure how that turned out

Can you explain ur scumread on either me or shiro? I have yet to see one explanation from you.

[Firebringer]

the most i found about u talking about shiro is "i feel worse than neutral about shiro", which if you count as a explanation for a read. Idk what to tell you.

[Firebringer]

Firebringer- I want to lean scum but I know he just doesnt play mafia the way I want him to
Shiro- has zero content which I'm going to put as a scum lean on principle

Actually this is the most detailed thing you said about me, and I guess Shiro as well, though you mentioned shiro again later as "feel less than negative".

So nothing.

[Firebringer]

worse than neutral*

[Firebringer]

and for some reason, everytime i try to engage u with how i think u post sometimes in a way that is def how ive seen u play scum, you just go ignore!mode on me.

its like you go out of your way to interact with me, why is that?

[Firebringer]

its like you go out of your way to interact with me, why is that?

out of way to NOT interact.

jesus me and words.

[Firebringer]

also if i have to say anything else on shiro its that Shiro is def not scum with bitmap. I have a weak townread on Shiro. Its not strong because I think Shiro could be placating my reads, but I think shiro scumreading both maria/ank is not an argument scum!shiro makes to me or anyone in the game. Especially if we go down the "shiro is placating me with reads route".

[Firebringer]

shiro tr both oka/gamma and said that they shouldn't be lynched and didn't like the wagon.

[Firebringer]

i think that indicates shiro/oka are a strong possibility.

[Firebringer]

I don't think oka was pushing ur pair heavily? Where are u getting that?

[Firebringer]

i don't know if that means much.

[Firebringer]

I can basically see two worlds right now.

One in which Oka is scum with Shiro. Another where Oka is scum with Bitmap. I don't see a world with that being true for both. If Oka/Shiro is a thing, I am unsure who is last scum but I think that definitely means the final pair matches in this game are heavily into question because I think scum had to have been scrambling for pairs but i don't think its Oka (who were the other pairs that kind of scrambled?)

Oka/Bitmap tells me Deasveil, not really by interactions with each other it just seems like the team from a high viewpoint of the game and how everyone is playing to me.

[Firebringer]

can you stop quoting posts like 3314; they are headache to swift through, can you make your basic argument and then make a quote back up if needed. Cause reading ur quote walls are not helping me understand what point ur making.

[Firebringer]

but i am not sure that means much inside the PT?!

do u think shiro saying that Oka/gamma was a bad wagon in my PT means Shiro is scum?

[Firebringer]

i thought oka/gamma was a bad wagon too but i soft defended it, i think i should be getting more shit for that and no one seems to care?

[Firebringer]

How about we lynch fireshiro since we all agree on that and then we can argue the merits of this other thing once we know for sure how that turned out

Can you explain ur scumread on either me or shiro? I have yet to see one explanation from you.

I've said several times that shiro only shows up to defend themselves then ghosts again

you actually haven't. I isoed you and ctrl f "shiro" there is very little mention of shiro.

[Firebringer]

and for some reason, everytime i try to engage u with how i think u post sometimes in a way that is def how ive seen u play scum, you just go ignore!mode on me.

its like you go out of your way to interact with me, why is that?

I have no idea how to respond to "you are scumposting but I think you're town." What do you want me to do with that?

question me. respond saying if its false/true. This doesn't seem hard since u never had a read on me it seems.

[Firebringer]

How about we lynch fireshiro since we all agree on that and then we can argue the merits of this other thing once we know for sure how that turned out

Can you explain ur scumread on either me or shiro? I have yet to see one explanation from you.

I've said several times that shiro only shows up to defend themselves then ghosts again

you actually haven't. I isoed you and ctrl f "shiro" there is very little mention of shiro.

also shiro ghosting is normal. shiro isn't a very active player. Shiro plays between a few select few hours in the day, not as prolific as many people here. This means nothing.

[Firebringer]

okay but i still don't understand ur scumread on shiro here. Like you seem way to confident in ur shiro read here to say "I don't need to read u. Because Shiro is scum"....then "Shiro is scum, because shiro is only showing up when pressured".

the confidence level in this is weird.

[Firebringer]

This looks like a policy lynch so u don't have to read either of us or just a fake read. I think ur town here, I don't get what ur doing here.


I have to re-examine ur deas read. Cause this feels so lazy.

[Firebringer]

I think i am misinterpreting you. I don't think u are confident in this at all. This is just to move the game forward.

I am having an hard idea of how ur forming ur reads though as i read ur iso.

[Firebringer]

I go through ur iso. I see questions you asking people and I get "is he trying to understand this player?" and I am not getting that. You seem to poke more holes in peoples arguments more than you are trying to understand the arguments or anything that might look weird/suspicious.

How do you scumhunt Cephrir? I think i still have a surface level understanding of you and I am only getting town vibes at your own pity party I have seen you do in this game.

[Firebringer]

maybe Ceph instead of Deas?

[Firebringer]

Is there anyway they both are scum cause I am going no way in hell. I don't think Cephrir goes with that plan.

[Firebringer]

Also, most of the game is town posting

There are only so many people left

at a fundamental level. I don't understand any of ur reads.

[Firebringer]

i don't want to seem rude. but do you actually care about this game?

[Firebringer]

im not trying to convince u that u are scum. trying to understand ur mindset here bud. I get that u feel attacked because people are calling u scum. I wasn't calling u scum earlier until recently when i re-examined u. Do you think I am being unfair to u by asking u these questions?

[Firebringer]

Cephrir I wish you wouldn't shut down on me. Because it gives me more doubt about you. This is the same situation I remember when LLD and you interacted in DEFCON (i know it was more than a year ago, i went back and read your posts, but mostly mine because god damn i had some funny posts).

I think you could be manipulating me here with this, but Ill just give you space.

[Firebringer]

lol shiro just posted in my PT that wasn't liking the Oka/Gamma wagon and wanted my input on it because Shiro didn't like it.

[Firebringer]

lol shiro just posted in my PT that wasn't liking the Oka/Gamma wagon and wanted my input on it because Shiro didn't like it.

Hey don't shout my screw up cause I read pts first Dx Rude

sorry mistress shiro.

[Firebringer]

Fake slip

shiro doesn't fake not reading something lolololol.
also the "slip" means nothing as far as town or scum.

[Firebringer]

i dont consider oka a savvy-scum player

Why?

Oka considers himself better as scum than town

[Firebringer]

I see it more likely oka was just doing the classic defend a mislynch!scum routine. Not hard to do when people’s reasons for considering us scum are vapid

[Firebringer]

I see it more likely oka was just doing the classic defend a mislynch!scum routine. Not hard to do when people’s reasons for considering us scum are vapid

I also don’t think someone who considers themselves good as scum makes their associations obvious is really a thing.

[Firebringer]

yes and he got lynched d1 your point

How many people were scumreading oka in the pair to gamma?
I know ank was for oka but gamma seems more like the reason to me. Though that’s because I read oka as town like a idiot

[Firebringer]

If Shiro/me flip town are u going to lynch bitmap?

[Firebringer]

I’m trying to negotiate with you here.

[Firebringer]

Maria/ank
Creature/robster

These two pairs along with Kagami never get lynched,

We are just arguing order of pairs to lynch at this point like Ank said

[Firebringer]

I think you're close to alone with not ever wanting to lynch my pairing fire

I am never alone when I am with u

[Firebringer]

if there isn't 76 virgins in the dead thread, I will be very disappointed.

[Firebringer]

How does scum-me and town-me behave differently here?

i am actually interested in u answer this urself deas.

[Firebringer]

I feel like it’s a more relevant question for someone who is scumreading me to answer because in saying that the way

I don't know you very well though. I think a lot of people here have that problem? Not sure your experience with everyone here.

Let me say this: I read the tone of your posts. I get no tone when you talk about the game. So when you speak about your reads its like I am reading someone narrating a show, without giving me thought into how someone is actually going emotionally into it. The only difference is your interactions with Cephrir. Which makes sense since you two know each other.

I see you have reads. I see you give reasons. I can see one reason going to the read. I think you are missing a lot and I wonder why the things you place into importance are important, and when your reads are developing the connections go ???, like they make sense but seem artificial/superficial. Feels like again the narrator part where they just see X and say Y. I think your reads aren't indepth, but they look it from how much you have to say about them.

[Firebringer]

i think my reads suck..

sorry cephrir and deas

[Firebringer]

still feel like bitmap is scum, and is trying to protect a mislynch bait (my pair).

[Firebringer]

still feel like bitmap is scum, and is trying to protect a mislynch bait (my pair).

ok

Anyone wanna lynch fire/shiro today?

see now ur acting town.

[Firebringer]

i give up

therefore I win

[Firebringer]

like why do u defend our lynch so hard bitmap? I don't believe u townread either of us that hard. I really don't believe it.

[Firebringer]

ank how is ur dance going?

[Firebringer]

lets storm area 51

[Firebringer]

lets storm area 51

[Firebringer]

shiro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Firebringer]

well no shit fire's town

that's obvious lol

rude af

[Firebringer]

Funnily enough I was hydra with fire in that game.

viewtopic.php?f=94&t=65683

Here you go.

I regret how much of a backseat I took to that game. I was so terrified to post back then.

[Firebringer]

like

technically that's still possible to be a scum!Shiro thing if the third scum is within MariaR/unwnd/pops

but I still find that less likely than Bitmap/Creature

what is scummy about creature?

[Firebringer]

i am leaning dunn/bitmap and unwnd/pops as the two scum pairs.

i am heavy townreading every other pairings.

[Firebringer]

i am less confident in my golden robster reading of my heavy townreads, but i think i am just not liking how he is formulating reads

[Firebringer]

I find this focus on flipping your pairing first really bizarre and awkward

Especially with scum in dunnmap

he has been saying me and shiro are scum for a long time tho?

[Firebringer]

or at least i am scum and shiro is town.

[Firebringer]

unless his frequent mentions of leaving the dance are taken as theatre

wait where did creature do that?

[Firebringer]

ohhh....i didn't follow that flip.

[Firebringer]

literally past couple of pages

he said he was considering u scum, not sure that is a threat to leave.

[Firebringer]

I may opt to leave the dance, but only after the other scum dies.

well i can't read

[Firebringer]

ank how do u typically read creature? cause i just go with if he looks like he is trying to solve or just float and makes up bs reads. And I don't think he is making up bs reads.

can u show me the awkwardness of bitmap flip?

[Firebringer]

what an honest answer

[Firebringer]

i feel like if shiro was scum, shiro would be trying harder to pocket me especially when i raise concerns, which shiro is basically not doing. Meh.

like shiro!scum tends to over explain townreads on me, and just isn't trying that here.

[Firebringer]

golden robster, why wouldn't u take my deal of lynching my pair to then vote bitmap/dunn?

[Firebringer]

bitmap was hard-advocating to lynch their own pair to prove his association theory right or to follow his lynches

u dont townread that?

me offering u that exchange of lynching my pair to lynch another pair should have gotten a townread if u townread this behavior???

[Firebringer]

i asked u before we lynched deph/ceph if u would lynch dunn/bitmap if me and shiro flipped town as a sort of compromise and u wouldn't comment on it

[Firebringer]

hmmm that deal still on the table?

no, u didn't take it and u were sketchy about ur refusal of it.

[Firebringer]

If Shiro/me flip town are u going to lynch bitmap?

[Firebringer]

I’m trying to negotiate with you here.

[Firebringer]

i just know i don't believe bitmap townreads me at all for any actual reasoning.

[Firebringer]

i just know i don't believe bitmap townreads me at all for any actual reasoning.

[Firebringer]

ank, i am more confident in u and maria then me and shiro rn.

[Firebringer]

ank, i am more confident in u and maria then me and shiro rn.

u and maria being tvt; if that wasn't clear.

[Firebringer]

dunn and shiro interactions are really townie tho

[Firebringer]

cool.

[Firebringer]

i mean both me and shiro scumread ceph/deas though. I don't know if that is distancing ourselves from it?

[Firebringer]

so rude.

[Firebringer]

i feel very responsible for the ceph/deas lynch without being on it tbh. Glad to hear its not my fault.

[Firebringer]

any chance i can make u paranoid of me?

[Firebringer]

I don't think anybody has been able to really explain why it's Grob/Creature

do u think they are both towN/

[Firebringer]

i think they are both town.

[Firebringer]

i still think pops is the scum in a possible pops/unwnd scum being in that pairing.

[Firebringer]

I think golden robster, you, and i don't remember unwnd or pops stances.

[Firebringer]

unwnd or pops stances

i think both of these two are leaning more town than scum on bitmap, but its kind of iffy on that since i have seen these two both support ur pairing lynched.

[Firebringer]

4/10 isn't a majority

[Firebringer]

6/10 scumread with 4/10 don't seem to either scumread or don't hold a strong view.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: bitmap

not gonna delay this. lets do it.

[Firebringer]

6/10 scumread with 4/10 don't seem to either scumread or don't hold a strong view.

for some reason i ocunted bitmap into my 6/10

so it really should be:
5/10 support and 5/10 don't.

i guess theres no strong consensus lolololol

[Firebringer]

ank and creature get on this.

[Firebringer]

woah creature townreads bitmap but scumreads dunnstral...

creature r u just going against ank in ur opinions lol

[Firebringer]

ok

[Firebringer]

can we get more votes. we are in a rut. lets lynch a pair

[Firebringer]

Oh right lolI guess I'm banking on Bitmap being so

vote bitmap then.

bitmap/dunn is L-2.

[Firebringer]

Lach onto what things u said?

[Firebringer]

I think u and pops are most likely scum if bitmap/dunn flips red.
If not, then idk. Maybe creature/grob. I don't see that as likely, but my reads are shit if I am wrong about bitmap.

[Firebringer]

if creature just votes bitmap/dunn; who he said is possible scum. That would be hammer.

[Firebringer]

VoteCount 2.2

Ankamius - MariaR [1] - Dunnstral
Firebringer - Shiro [1] - Golden Robster
Dunnstral - Bitmap [4] - MariaR, Firebringer, Ankamius, unwnd
unwnd - popsofctown [0] -
Golden Robster - Creature [0] -

Not Voting [4]

- popsofctown, Shiro, Bitmap, Creature

With 10 alive it takes 6 votes to lynch

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Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2019-07-27 16:00:00)

you missed shiro vote.

[Firebringer]

Let's us go friends

Vote:bit

\o/

[Firebringer]

why not just vote me and shiro if bitmap/dunn flips townvtown? I think you are contributing to apathy.

[Firebringer]

You're not getting my vote on this lynch though it seems it might happen without me

so you are going to grandstand instead?

[Firebringer]

If I'm right, can I get nominated for a scummy? kthx.

surrreezzzzzz

[Firebringer]

and ur thoughts that is now easy T-T comes from???

[Firebringer]

Okay I am done with this game.
Going AFK for the rest of this game.

[Firebringer]

fyi I'd have been pushed all game if I took Alisae too

Just want to clear that up

this is a lie.

[Firebringer]

fyi I'd have been pushed all game if I took Alisae too

Just want to clear that up

this is a lie.

hindsight is 20/20

no, like I townread alisae. I townread u. Explain how I would be pushing for ur lynch?

[Firebringer]

idk why people ask other people especially ones they scumread to suicide. all ur gonna do is get town to suicide if you do succeed so ur either blatantly trying to rage a townie to senpukku or ur misguided in ur push efforts of trying to catch a player out in hypocrisy or some shit like that.

[Firebringer]

idk why people ask other people especially ones they scumread to suicide. all ur gonna do is get town to suicide if you do succeed so ur either blatantly trying to rage a townie to senpukku or ur misguided in ur push efforts of trying to catch a player out in hypocrisy or some shit like that.

Do you not see why whoever the town in Dunn/Bit should suicide right now?

i was mostly talking about how bitmap is trying to flip the script and tell u 2 suicide when he scumreads u.

i don't really care to ask people to suicide here, i don't think its beneficial. I think dunn/bitmap leaving would be beneficial to the game, but trying to argue with them on leaving isn't helping.

[Firebringer]

Can someone come in here and tell me with a straight face that bitmap isn't openwolfing

If he was scum he'd have left by now

is bitmap me now?

[Firebringer]

did i spew anyone when i left as scum? I don't remember it being spewy. I remember it being exceptionally trolly

[Firebringer]

man i laughed at days for that. even fakegod was like "didn't see that coming"

[Firebringer]

Im going to fight regardless of my alignment.

Telling me to leave is just going to make stubborn map even more stubborn. And we already have Dunn in my pair who's just as stubborn.

Never leave us bitmap-sama

[Firebringer]

did i spew anyone when i left as scum? I don't remember it being spewy. I remember it being exceptionally trolly

Was it in a situation that flipping could singlehandedly screw you over?

I think i did it as a troll, and everyone was going to lynch my pair anyways because gamma was getting scumread.

[Firebringer]

u are a strong independent man that don't need no dunnstral. You go boy.

[Firebringer]

but i think its a town pair >.>

FINNNNNEEEEE

VOTE: Grob

[Firebringer]

i am literally only lynching this rn, because creature pissed me of in not moving the game forward.
the vengeance is strong with me

[Firebringer]

I hate it that I still can't get to townread FB.

ill never let u townread me bae

[Firebringer]

thanks for realizing that too late creature

yeah we could have just lynched the pair if u weren't stubborn.

also why are we delaying out this day when we decided to lynch creature/gob to stop the stalling?

[Firebringer]

one of these days i will figure out how creature reads me. i really think it involves random.org tho

[Firebringer]

I was too willing to sacrifice, so I don't think my lynch gives much info.

ur lynch wasn't really for info for me.

U NEEDED TO BURN FOR NOT VOTING WITH ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Firebringer]

the town pairs in my head are:
creature/gob, ank/maria, me/shiro.

I don't think i am wrong on those.

[Firebringer]

well i was wrong on robster. Meh

VOTE: Bitdunn

good work ank

[Firebringer]

Plot twist...

[Firebringer]

Bitmap, who was Town Lady, has left in Second Dance.

[Firebringer]

was golden robster bussing shiro?!

[Firebringer]

I refuse to be paranoid of shiro again. REFUSE!!!!!

[Firebringer]

no, this isn't lylo.

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i still think ank/maria is very very low chance that i am willing to bet the game on them not being scum.

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given that:
VOTE: popsofctown

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i am still in shock from bitmap townnnn...

maybe i shouldn't be voting?

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UNVOTE:

shiro get in here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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BITMAP WHY WOULD YOU DO DIS

i just think this post is out of place when the environment of hte game was that bit/dunn was definitely getting lynched?!?!?!?

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FB I think this is a scenario either where there is one deepscum or Shiro is just scum from the fact both Pops (going by your vote) has willy-nilly voted two reds now.

That's like, extremely deep scum

Scum up to ur fucking shins

Bussing isn't that big a factor atm considering I doubt the scumteam was banking on grob of all people

Is this just the setup that makes you think this? How many lynches do they need to win

They needed 3 assuming you mean after first dance with Oka dead

I mean right now

2

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dunn scumread shiro, then later said shiro was town and thought me and shiro were most likely town pair.

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Conf Town:

GR

Town:

Lupin/Creature

Leaning Town:

Firebringer,

Dunnstral

Semi-leaning Town:

Unwnd

Slight Town:

Bitmap, Gaiden,

GE
Null/Undecided: Shiro,

Cephrir

, MariaR,

Slight Scum:

Anka, pops

Semi-leaning Scum:

Kagami

Leaning Scum:

Alisae

,

OkaPoka

Scum:

This is a decently telling list

I dunno who GE is here

i really think this means its pops.

everyone above null is town, ank is def not scum. The nulls are town. I think both scum placed in scum.

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I'd like you to explain me/Shiro after we get the townreads figured out.
I think if Ank/Fire are scum I'm fine with losing to that

I dunno I think it'd be pretty stupid of me to do the same exact thing Bitmap did and suddenly worry about Pops (right now). I think Shiro just stands out in terms of simply not being here, ineffective and not really making any plays. I can see her just being apathetic as a last mate but I'm feeling like with BittDunn being T-T there is definitely some form of DeepWolf around here

Just not sure what

shiro activity doesn't mean anything.

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i am about 90% sure

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Well as long as I can convince all of you I'm town this game becomes really simple. The probem is I'm Maria so convincing everyone I'm town is...

this post doesn't help with that lol

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do u think shiro/me is more likely scum than u/ank?

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i am confused on ur answer. so ur saying u think its more likely me/shiro than u and ank because u heavy townread ank?

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okay. so that thing with dunn earlier was just to get the lynch, right?

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fire what does your PT look like?

its like less than a page, shiro gives a bit of thoughts on different players. I tell shiro i was down about us mislynching and then shiro tries to give me a pep talk, and then i ask for shiro for more thoughts on the wagons, and shiro hasn't posted since.

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ohh shiro was also disapointed in me not giving alot of thoughts in the PT too.

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ohh shiro scumread golden robster.

also shiro has been scumreading Maria all game.

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Fire

100% loudest one though

Yes, looks like you initially had a scumread on FB that has recently flipped, GR had FB as townread when he made his list, and that's it among living players as far as I can tell.

Makes me somewhat skeptical of Shiro-scum unless we're hypothesizing a scum-scum pair. There's some plausibility in {shiro, GR}, I think, but that requires further review.

what do you think of this?

i don't know what to think of this.

to me the scummiest thing shiro did was reject my first dance request because i gave a "questionable condition" i don't really think town!shiro would have cared.

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i am kind of thinkings its maria tbh lol

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pops makes some good points.