Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

[Perry Pelican]

And whoever Perry Pelican is.

That jerk made it so I cant just say PP and refer to Penguin.

Every hero needs an antihero.

I was going to commit to the character and I may still bring it out but Chandra inspired me, I'm RCE some of you know me some don't.

This town ain't big enough for two anthropomorphic birds.

[Perry Pelican]

Reading up now VOTE: Marquis saw both miller claims. There is 1 scum between Marquis/FL/Pops. I guess I could be included in that since I'm also a miller but I read my role pm this time so.

[Perry Pelican]

That was poor wording. There is *at least* 1 scum in that grouping.

[Perry Pelican]

FL thinks it's the tell I have on him lol.

My god tell has been trashed already, but this is for show.

[Perry Pelican]

Fusion? Never heard of it.

[Perry Pelican]

This is EICN RCE. The only game I've been useful and *not* scum.

[Perry Pelican]

Sidenote. If I die at any point in this game FL is scum 100%

[Perry Pelican]

Chandra/gorkington town. It's Penguins birthday he can be town if he wants to.

The rest are scumbutts I guess.

[Perry Pelican]

Pops do you have a guilty conscience? I didn't claim anything for you.

[Perry Pelican]

But since we're on the subject let's talk about it. How does that make you feel?

[Perry Pelican]

The alt is just a one off for this game (maybe?) Because the flavor was great.

[Perry Pelican]

I literally outed my first post. I fully intend to give all information I have to the rest of town, I'm not going to win by myself and it would be selfish to play that way.

[Perry Pelican]

Also, going through the ruleset etc, The alternate caffeine wincon, and JK sample pm I'm assuming there are no traditional VTs. Possibly visitor(?) And that town roles ALL have the option to perform a night action.

So I think Marquis miller claim is bs. I know your informed millers claim is bs but I somewhat think you're town for it and for both our sakes I'm nipping it in the bud.

[Perry Pelican]

UNVOTE: that actually changes a lot.

Bingle I'm going to assume you have the same information I have and I think this is going to lead us down the wrong road...kind of.

[Perry Pelican]

@

FakeGod

does the player the mafia designates to perform the factional nightkill become addicted to caffeine or is it only nonfactional abilities.

Factional Kill does not count for caffeine addiction.

Can mafia become caffeine addicted?

[Perry Pelican]

Can mafia become caffeine addicted?

Yes.

Does it relate to the win condition or is it a separate mechanic for mafia?

[Perry Pelican]

Oof that 4x voter.

[Perry Pelican]

I'm starting to think pops doesn't like me very much

[Perry Pelican]

So to continue pissing off pops, our neighborhood investigates as mafia. I assumed everyone in it would claim Miller and surprise surprise. I don't think every miller claim is a miller but it doesn't make sense to me for all the millers to stay silent and let invests run around with fake guilties because it will warp how they view the gamestate and how they approach reads. Which is dangerous.

[Perry Pelican]

Bingle and jingle don't even post the same. Way off base there.

[Perry Pelican]

What?!? Stop pulling my wing.

[Perry Pelican]

Lol I put 1 and 1 together when you said super secret alt in sign-ups.

Pedit: cya bud.

[Perry Pelican]

probably

you know what would be great

if we identified the miller neighborhoods

so that the mafia could narrow down the pool that must be the cop neighborhood
that would be great page 1-10 strategy

Couldn't care less about this in a game where 6 slots invest red.

In a hypothetical world all of those could be town (I don't think this) then at minimum half of the playerlist invests red. A vanilla cops only use is to perma holster to prevent a caffeine addiction win.

[Perry Pelican]

lol ok Perry, Penguin, and Fish are all town :3

Just lynch pops hnnnnggggggggg

Oh no half the players in this game are idiots

I cant wait to be a target every day no matter how obvtown I am like the last 2 games with this account

Fun fact ofrhz has never misread me as either alignment while I, have misread their name on several occasions and probably this one.

[Perry Pelican]

I'm good on calling Bingle town right now

I've never met Vecna but I like his style

I have some thoughts about the Miller neighborhood, but like... okay: Are you guys specifically millers? Or do you all have the miller modifier? See, the latter is important because if you have, say, X number of people in a neighborhood who have a miller modifier, the mod would simply say "Everyone in this neighborhood investigates guilty." Which would include people who are not millers and are simply mafia. If this is the case, and all of the millers were informed of that fact, it makes outting the millerhood way less useful in finding which ones are town. I guess I can elaborate if need be, but please don't fucking make me. I just woke up.

All jokes about 2012 aside, Pine's not gonna do shit unless we poke him.

I don't know who or what an RCE is but okay

Good morning. This question kind of answers itself. If mafia is in one of these neighborhoods they know it doesn't explicitly consist of millers since...well, they can't be a miller.

[Perry Pelican]

If we were told everyone in your neighborhood is a miller then it would just be a masonry.

[Perry Pelican]

well, they can't be a miller.

ummmm?

No?

Are there mods on site that run mafia millers? That's awful as a named goon.

[Perry Pelican]

Yeah that's the point.

[Perry Pelican]

What I'm getting at is that Miller can be a role or a modifier, and the reason I was asking was because it's useful to know what all these millers have been told in their neighborhood and do you understand what I'm saying or do I have to dumb it down?

I'll give you an example: there's a huge difference between "everyone in this neighborhood is a Ninja" and "everyone in this neighborhood has the ninja modifier."

I'll let Perry answer this

Nope I'm good.

[Perry Pelican]

Spoiler:

Marquis getting pocketed!

[Perry Pelican]

It has more to do with my approach to kuribo than not being able to read.

[Perry Pelican]

It's also weird to think that scum would have less information on a neighborhood they're in than the towniest in it but there is a possibility kagami will spew you town so I'll ignore it.

[Perry Pelican]

If you know for a fact your neighborhood are all millers then it doesnt seem very difficult to say "hello I am a miller"

I outed the neighborhood and called FL out on lying about being a miller. His question is answered just via previous gameplay.

What I don't want is people coasting by without keeping up with the game and then using it as an excuse to avoid input. I'm not explicitly saying kuribo will do this but I don't know that he won't right?

Reading the game answers it.

[Perry Pelican]

I asked a question. I will not be intimidated for getting a headcheck on you.

You asked a question that had been answered by my posts following

I do not like reiterating things I've already said to people, and most people don't like doing so either.

Clearly you can understand why I'd think you had comprehension issues regarding the order of events. If you still have a problem with it I can explain again.

Ironically this is an ironic post.

[Perry Pelican]

Marquis Pelican
PenguinP Gork
--The Rest--
Chandra
Kuribo Flavor
Pops

Like the top half, pops is probably the only one with scum equity on the bottom. But I might just be annoying her into a tunnel.

[Perry Pelican]

you're scum trying to provoke me into ragequitting

Youre scum trying to hide in your self-proclaimed and stall ass meta

Now kith.

[Perry Pelican]

you're scum trying to provoke me into ragequitting

Youre scum trying to hide in your self-proclaimed and stall ass meta

No bitch I'm a parity cop why the fuck do you think I had such an interest in the millers you dense fuck

I don't know if it's because I was thinking parity Cop is probably the only invest that would be useful with the miller hoods that I'm disappointed.

[Perry Pelican]

VOTE: Pine

I didn't come to some revelation I just don't like the other wagons.

[Perry Pelican]

Is there some kind of role tierlist to prevent all the townroles blowing their load night one?

[Perry Pelican]

So to continue pissing off pops, our neighborhood investigates as mafia. I assumed everyone in it would claim Miller and surprise surprise. I don't think every miller claim is a miller but it doesn't make sense to me for all the millers to stay silent and let invests run around with fake guilties because it will warp how they view the gamestate and how they approach reads. Which is dangerous.

Kuribo it was implied here that not everyone in the neighborhood was a miller and that wasn't what we were informed. This predated your question and I could have just requoted so, sorry bud.

[Perry Pelican]

I think Marquis is slightly town and Kagami has scum equity.

Pine is a nonread but the votes on him are town.

[Perry Pelican]

I think Ram is town here.

[Perry Pelican]

Neighbors of jingle? Has he come up with or discussed a partition for town role usage yet? If he hasn't he's probably scum?

[Perry Pelican]

I didn't even think about it, you're right.

[Perry Pelican]

Help, FL is hard pocketing me.

[Perry Pelican]

Also, I've just realized why this thread stinks. It's literally filled with pee-pee (Penguin) posts, pee-pee (Pelikan) posts, and then piss posts on top of that!

Disclaimer: No offense. I love you all. I am just being me in this suit.

The suit makes the man.

[Perry Pelican]

I have a fun role.

I actually got Day 3 IC this time, which is funny in this miller neighborhood.

If you were to pick a cologne for someone right now who would it be?

[Perry Pelican]

Help, FL is hard pocketing me.

Think I’d try that 2 games in a row?

Yes. Yes I do.

[Perry Pelican]

Also, I've just realized why this thread stinks. It's literally filled with pee-pee (Penguin) posts, pee-pee (Pelikan) posts, and then piss posts on top of that!

Disclaimer: No offense. I love you all. I am just being me in this suit.

The suit makes the man.

No, the man makes the suit. Unless you have a female tailor, but those often dont specialize in suits. Babies dont come from suits. Who tought you, damnit?

You don't think babies in suits are pretty manly? That's unAmerican my friend.

[Perry Pelican]

I have a fun role.

I actually got Day 3 IC this time, which is funny in this miller neighborhood.

If you were to pick a cologne for someone right now who would it be?

Pops. More tonight

I’ve been running with the Ted Baker Silver, but Dior Sauvage is really poppin’ Lately. But it just smells like axe to me.

Will be giving my opinion on D&G Intense Blue when I get my hands on it but from what I've heard, it smells the way Tom Cruise looks.

[Perry Pelican]

I'm starting to believe that my neighborhood is all town OR mafia is given extra information on the neighborhoods aside from the shared modifier.

[Perry Pelican]

FL is also throwing out things to hard pocket me that aren't really relevant to the rest of the playerlist that doesn't really come from his scum game. Scum!FL would cast a wider net which makes me think he's trying to consolidate a circle and this is him attempting to reach out.

The only thing that offsets this is the whole neighborhood is released when members die thing but it's probably minor tbh. Plus our neighborhood is pretty low priority.

[Perry Pelican]

I'm annoyed about how FL's fakeclaim meta can let him remove himself from d1 d2 lynchpool with this crap, but on d3 he will fakeclaim a new replacement role and will not be revenge lynched.

Someone just vig him

Why you scumread him so hard?

It'd be more of a policy vigging really.

It's a pretty null slot to me.

Perry Pelican's scumslip would actually create a zero-sum-game on how much scum equity FL can have left over.

Can we not do this every game? It's exhausting.

[Perry Pelican]

I've been actively avoiding interacting with FL but not ignoring him. Does DL being townread bother you?

Pops is just going to tell me how scum I am so there isn't really a point.

[Perry Pelican]

I'm annoyed about how FL's fakeclaim meta can let him remove himself from d1 d2 lynchpool with this crap, but on d3 he will fakeclaim a new replacement role and will not be revenge lynched.

Someone just vig him

Why you scumread him so hard?

It'd be more of a policy vigging really.

It's a pretty null slot to me.

Perry Pelican's scumslip would actually create a zero-sum-game on how much scum equity FL can have left over.

Can we not do this every game? It's exhausting.

I townread you in our only completed game

You seem to want the scumslip to fall off the topic rotation rather than satisfy me it wasn't a scumslip and that should make it worse even though I did actually forget about it some

I don't....actually care, if you think it's a scumslip?

[Perry Pelican]

I've been actively avoiding interacting with FL but not ignoring him. Does DL being townread bother you?

I want to know why you are so preoccupied with the alignments of those players in particular

My neighborhood directly influences me so it's my first focus.

I've already put you, gork, pp, fish to some extent as town for day 1. Just slots I don't want to pursue. Kuribo's not touchable via claim and it doesn't clear up his alignment like flips will. Vecna is idk, I like him but idk. Jjd I also can't read. Kagami seems scum. Marquis could go either way but I don't really want to go there atm. Besides the slots I can't read either way I've expressed my stance on all of them previously.

[Perry Pelican]

FL is also throwing out things to hard pocket me that aren't really relevant to the rest of the playerlist that doesn't really come from his scum game. Scum!FL would cast a wider net which makes me think he's trying to consolidate a circle and this is him attempting to reach out.

The only thing that offsets this is the whole neighborhood is released when members die thing but it's probably minor tbh. Plus our neighborhood is pretty low priority.

Fuck

Slingshotting.

[Perry Pelican]

Do you townread me PP
ugh
I have to clarify
Can I just call you Pelipper
it's a compliment Stockpile movesets are the best

I'm struggling with it. You tend to drop a post every once in awhile that makes me think that has to come from town.

[Perry Pelican]

I've already decided what your role is, no thank you.

[Perry Pelican]

Pelipper is fine.

[Perry Pelican]

Pelipper is fine.

I'm construing this post to mean that I'm posting things that give you town pings every once in a while and that's giving you indecision because you have to weigh that against somewhat erratic play and an attack on your slot that is a mislynch from your POV, but overall you wouldn't shoot me if you had a dayvig shot right now.

If I had a dayvig it would be used on Kagami.

[Perry Pelican]

Are you someone I've played with before, pelican?

No.

[Perry Pelican]

Like, I know I'm crazy and the only player who may actually see it my way on this list is FL (who isn't even playing the game yet), but based on the info we currently have I'd use my voting powers if I was Bingle/Vecna to hammer Marquis already. Your voting powers decline over time so you best hope we lynch scum today, but it's such a waste NOT to be using your powers today (it's like being a N1 Cop/Doctor/Whatever and NOT submitting an action on N1. You feel??)

Why Marquis? Because of the 3 in that hood that's the one slot I SR.. mechanically. IF there's scum in that PT it has to be the one with no power-up voting ability, and with a hood that investigates as Mafia I hardly see it being composed of 3 townies.

'nough said. Now let me go back to my Adrian

Fair enough, my read on Marquis isn't strong enough to really refute this. Also the other miller hood being all town makes pops + FL scum very likely fmpov and from everyone else's puts any of our hood into an immediate Poe. I can possibly remove myself from that Poe soon though. I guess Marquis is a decent lynch when I think about it.

Jjd you can be light town.

VOTE: Marquis

[Perry Pelican]

We dont investigate as mafia - thats not what our hood does.

Oh.... This kind of shits on my post.

[Perry Pelican]

But I think Kagami is pretty scummy for dropping me from his readslist after what seems like no apparent change besides my lynchability, there's a sample.

I appreciate this take.

[Perry Pelican]

The point of the Chandra Nalaar account is to not roleplay and make references that break canon like "heat vision" and break my heart

Flame on!

I guess that's at least not DC comics.

pedit: If I could grant Pelipper the Strong modifier before this dayvig I think I would

I'll do push-ups for it.

[Perry Pelican]

StOp UsInG oUtEd InFo To PiCk ThE lYnCh!

[Perry Pelican]

Don't like how you asked but done and done

VOTE: Kagami

[Perry Pelican]

Well let me ask how you feel about FL skirting around day 1 the way he is.

Also do you have experience with Croag?

[Perry Pelican]

What's there not to love?

[Perry Pelican]

Something something Kagami.

[Perry Pelican]

How the fuck do you have a miller that's a reflexive roleblocking vanillaizer

A roleblocking vanillaizer makes a miller modifier moot since no one can get an investigation result on them anyway

It’s kinda like that was exactly what I said when I claimed. My guess is there’s some way for scum to redistribute roles at some point, which likely means if we all rush to enforce the best roles use their power idea, scum can then put the best roles in the hands of people who aren’t yet addicted.

On the topic of caffeine:


There are several options: 1. We leave it alone. Everyone makes their own decision about acting/not acting and we hope there aren’t sufficient tempting night actions to fuck us.

2. We set forth an arbitrary guideline, such as everyone in portion {set} of the player list can act. Anyone outside that set does not, on pain of being lynched. This is double edged, as it takes away the caffeine if sufficiently large but also has the side effect of wrecking synergy. I lean this option, personally.

3. D1 massclaim. This setup has a few of the hallmarks of being a broken by massclaim setup. I’m very reluctant to do this though, as FG has a history of hating massclaim setups and punishing towns for trying to abuse them.

4. We play this mountainous. If we want to do this, go ahead and lynch me now because I will be bored and useless the entire time.

5. I make a list of the roles that are worth using, and only people with those roles act tonight. This is probably a good plan, but I don’t know that I’ll have the free time to come up with a reasonably comprehensive list.

6. We claim acting/non acting before N1 and juggle until we hit a desired proportion (probably 9/8). This leads to a fairly early massclaim.

7. We gamble, hard. Barring any weird shenanigans if our neighborhood is a masonry, we’re functionally unkillable barring scum having some kind of strong willed anti vanillaizer role. If it’s just strong willed, the first one of us they shoot gets rid of the power that lets them shoot us. If that’s the case, two of the three of us can be caffeine free for life. Of course, if the neighborhood contains scum or scum has multiple workarounds, we might be fucked, royally, by this plan.

Again, I endorse option 2 and would be happy to pick nine names who can act tonight, if we agree that that is what our plan is and that no one will claim because they’re mad they don’t get to use their super badass power.

D2, any member of {acting} who didn’t act can be replaced. This should eliminate the worry of a caffeine victory even if mafia has some way of addicting people to caffeine forcibly.

Off to make all of my muscles sore again.

1. There probably will be.

2. This is what I was getting at. I hadn't thought of role redistribution, I thought you were getting at some way to nullify active or non active abilities when you said you didn't want to get into it. We can't really police unclaimed roles and this only works for the subset of roles that are known. Grouping it by players instead of roles is kind of ehhh. It opens up the possibility we chain no action nights and caffeine doesn't affect scum at all.

3 and 4. Meh. Not a fan of mountainous.

5. I don't know who else is good with setup spec but I'm sure people are willing to help with this.

[Perry Pelican]

Vigs: Vigilante, Town poisoner?, Loverizer
I would use all of these as long as they are at least X=2,

I wish Mastina was on this game to fry you over this. Vigs should never shoot (according to her), and more so on N1. Unless we have an explicit guilty situation (like, say.. 2 investigatives came back with guilties on D2, so one guilty was lynched and the other left alive .. only then should the Vig make their shot).

I'm a strong proponent that vig should only shoot in situations that town would lose majority otherwise. The exception being a high info kill that eliminates a 50/50.

[Perry Pelican]

Uh. I didn't. And I interact with A50 a lot. Like, a lot a lot.

You too? What next?? FL didn't know???

I didn't know. And I feel I read A50 decently well.

[Perry Pelican]

vigs just need to shoot consensus targets and not their own vanity reads, plus know when to stop shooting

This is really meh and falls into the trap of being led by the gamestate instead of shaping it.

[Perry Pelican]

I don't really like the nuke list. So maybe nuke the bottom list but switch Chandra with jjd.

[Perry Pelican]

Wary of FL but feel I can read him if I effort, haven't decided on efforting yet. Fish and pops fall on the town side today. Ram is just town here, LNT is a good indicator of his town game and he's counterpushing in much the same way that makes you want to WK for him since he's going to ruffle feathers.

[Perry Pelican]

What I'm getting at is that Miller can be a role or a modifier, and the reason I was asking was because it's useful to know what all these millers have been told in their neighborhood and do you understand what I'm saying or do I have to dumb it down?

I'll give you an example: there's a huge difference between "everyone in this neighborhood is a Ninja" and "everyone in this neighborhood has the ninja modifier."

I'll let Perry answer this

What I'm getting at is that Miller can be a role or a modifier, and the reason I was asking was because it's useful to know what all these millers have been told in their neighborhood and do you understand what I'm saying or do I have to dumb it down?

I'll give you an example: there's a huge difference between "everyone in this neighborhood is a Ninja" and "everyone in this neighborhood has the ninja modifier."

I'll let Perry answer this

Nope I'm good.

JJD asked about the slip, this is where Pelipper is outed as scum.
We are informed in our role PM that everyone in our neighborhood investigates as scum. We are not informed the reason each individual in our neighborhood investigates as scum, just that we all do.

Kuribo asked whether we each have a modifier on our roles giving us the "investigates as scum" quality, or whether we don't. In the latter case the entire neighborhood would be composed of mafia and millers, since miller is the only role that doesn't need a modifier to investigate as mafia.

Pelipper declines to answer the question and incriminate himself. If Flavor Leaf and I are both simply Millers, then it will sound fishy if he claims he is a vig with a "checks as scum" modifier or a doctor with a "checks as scum" modifier or etc. If Flavor Leaf and I are vigs/doctors/cops etc with the "checks as scum" modifier, it will sound suspicious if he claims he doesn't have a modifier. (it's actually not that suspicious if he's a miller, but he really missed the timing on his shot for claiming miller.)

In reality, I do have a modifier. The modifier is integral to my identity as my furriness and it applies even if I leave the neighborhood.

Except it also states it explicitly in the neighborhood pt. I don't know what the last line is about, I didn't know leaving neighborhoods was a thing?

[Perry Pelican]

Like, pops I can tell you why you're dead wrong but I'd have to out more information to do so and I know how find you are of unprompted claims.

[Perry Pelican]

I don't really like the nuke list. So maybe nuke the bottom list but switch Chandra with jjd.

Holy smokes.

Assuming you're town, one of us has absolutely awful reads.

If it turns out to be me, I will fully admit to my error post-game, but I expect the same courtesy from you if it's the opposite.

Of course. But I don't think we are the same alignment, as told by my vote.

[Perry Pelican]

Isn't JJD light town as of 967?

No? Jjd making a good point about Marquis combined with the information I have doesn't make jjd town, it doesn't make Marquis town and it doesn't rule out them being scum together.

I don't explicitly scumread jjd, but the fact it's A50 and I don't have a read on them at all is concerning.

[Perry Pelican]

My issue pops is that it's a slip if I don't have the information that the neighborhood investigates as mafia and I had to infer that knowledge instead. But it's literally in the pt. The angle you're pushing isn't really a slip it's more like "he's scum worried about possible modifiers" like vig etc etc which is valid I guess but not anything I'm worried about. I came in expecting no one in the hood to be millers but everyone claiming miller given the modifier. That's exactly how it happened so.

[Perry Pelican]

Nick, we're friends right? If I said I thought something was off about you. You would tell me what it is right?

[Perry Pelican]

I don't really like the nuke list. So maybe nuke the bottom list but switch Chandra with jjd.

Holy smokes.

Assuming you're town, one of us has absolutely awful reads.

If it turns out to be me, I will fully admit to my error post-game, but I expect the same courtesy from you if it's the opposite.

Of course. But I don't think we are the same alignment, as told by my vote.

Adding to this I also suspect you and Marquis are not the same alignment but it's really weak. So it's possible I'm wrong on you and he's the scum between you.

[Perry Pelican]

yeah the marquis neighborhood has the ability to make you leave your neighborhood this was revealed a couple pages ago

Can you link the post I think I skimmed over it. Would hood modifiers still apply? Like if you joined another hood do you still invest as mafia?

That's possibly strong.

[Perry Pelican]

I don't really like the nuke list. So maybe nuke the bottom list but switch Chandra with jjd.

Holy smokes.

Assuming you're town, one of us has absolutely awful reads.

If it turns out to be me, I will fully admit to my error post-game, but I expect the same courtesy from you if it's the opposite.

Of course. But I don't think we are the same alignment, as told by my vote.

While I'm making a show of being fairhanded, the truth is that I wouldn't have made the above statement if your vote on me didn't provide strong evidence that I'm not the one who will be proven wrong.

p-edit: Yes, perry is town. =\

I try to be understanding when pushed as scum so that approach isn't really easing my suspicions. It may be a case of us having no meta. Who in the playerlist is familiar with your play and who do you think reads you best?

Also to anyone with Kagami related experience if you could confirm their statements feel free.

[Perry Pelican]

Except it also states it explicitly in the neighborhood pt.

The statement in the role PM is a Provides Information thing, it doesn't create the characteristic in question.

For me it is the modification to my role that creates the characteristic in question.

For you it is your alignment that creates the characteristic in question, although a redundant modifier would probably have been a good idea.

Maybe you are hinting you will claim a homebrew miller variant or something weird that does not need a modifier that inherently investigates as mafia like, "whenever someone targets you, no matter what the action is, even if they just tried to give you Fruit, they just get a PM that says 'Pelipper is mafia' "

I'm excited to be wow'ed in massclaim I guess


PEDIT: you're calling it a shared modifier, and it's actually the second time. I HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL MODIFIER. INDIVIDUALLY. There is a declarative statement to the effect that "it happens to be the case that anyone who cops any of these three people get a guilty", and then an additional statement, which to be read as not redundant to the previous one has the only one creating the existence of a special ability, that says "you like eating garbage out of the trash, yiffing, you got detention 3 times in third grade, and whenever cops you they get mafia".

You only even think the Informed element of the neighborhood is a "shared modifier" because you don't have a town role PM

No I'm saying we all investigate as mafia. Regardless of role and it created the miller claims. I don't think you're a miller, I don't think FL is a miller, I don't think I'm a miller but we all function as miller. FL is softing a separate role at this moment that he is not. But he's only softing it to like 2 people... I think? I might be mixing games.

You do this a lot where you fly down this rabbit hole that leads to a dead end and then turn around and ask why you were pushed. Let it go.

[Perry Pelican]

let's make a deal

we lynch kagami

if he flips town you let me deathtunnel you until one of us dies

You will die first and I guarantee that. Do you still want to make that deal?

[Perry Pelican]

yeah the marquis neighborhood has the ability to make you leave your neighborhood this was revealed a couple pages ago

Would hood modifiers still apply? Like if you joined another hood do you still invest as mafia?

That's possibly strong.

Oh my law

you keep claiming scum

closed setups are a nightmare

no one will lynch it anyway

which is nice because there is nothing satisfying about catching a scum off aberrations and wrinkles in a closed setup like this

but not nice in the sense that I prefer to win all my games of mafia instead of lose them



there's no way town!Pelipper even has to ask if he keeps the modifier if he leaves the neighborhood it's totally unambiguous that the modifier stays.

(it probably doesn't survive the vanillerization associated with Marquis's neighborhood in particular, ofc though)

What? You were JUST arguing that the hood modifier and your role are separate entities. So why would the hood modifier still apply if you leave the hood? What I'm getting at is shuffling hoods has the potential to hard confirm alignments.

[Perry Pelican]

Pops we will talk about this tonight but you definitely aren't going to like what I'm going to tell you.

[Perry Pelican]

Fair, I was under the impression the modifier was that everyone investigates as mafia instead of the modifier being we're informed everyone investigates as mafia.

[Perry Pelican]

If you two are just scum together probably ought to NK me that would seem optimal

I see why you could be annoyed by the chemistry RCE-Myself have. I assure you, that was grown over time, and we are definitely both on each other’s radars. I am actually leaning town on him, but that makes me think he could be scum, because I do see you as scummy, there have been a few things that I’ve questioned if that comes from ScumYou, which wouldn’t be me meta’ing, that’s a social analysis.

I also have this thing where I townread and scumread FL at the same time.

For example, now that he's confirmed it, the fact I called him out on not being a miller and he doubled down by using our shared information to back him up was ehhh.

[Perry Pelican]

Where did pelican say he didn't have an individual ability that he investigates as mafia?

I claimed miller but pops thinks i scumslipped by not telling Kuribo explicitly that the neighborhood investigates as mafia and isn't a miller hood.

[Perry Pelican]

You followed up that miller was short hand but that was well after the fact.

[Perry Pelican]

Possibly, but it's not not scummy for you.

[Perry Pelican]

I don’t disagree with the conclusion and reaction by you, it’s the path and reasoning that got there.

I reached that conclusion because it's you specifically and you know I wouldn't apply it to the rest of the playerlist except maybe A50 but not 1 for 1.

[Perry Pelican]

Screw it, consider me pocketed.

[Perry Pelican]

I think scum you would reconcile the claim after you ran through the possibilities and figured out what it was I was attacking. It fits with the way you've been defending me but I've already expressed why I think you're *probably* town.

[Perry Pelican]

That would just be adding a separate hood not moving to a different one.

[Perry Pelican]

Because essentially, that’s gonna be my role this game. I get to confirm one of the 3 of us as town, and if i pick someone who’s mafia, then they just don’t get confirmed.

I’m more than likely just gonna abuse it and get myself Towned. Just saying

I confirm myself. The unselfish play is to use it on pop I guess? It's wasted on me though.

[Perry Pelican]

Moon logic makes the sun go round.

[Perry Pelican]

If you two are just scum together probably ought to NK me that would seem optimal

Oh no you fucking don't, I've earned my death outta this hellgame

One of us. One of us. One of us.

[Perry Pelican]

That I investigate as mafia but it's not clear cut if it's because of the neighborhood or the neighborhood all investigates as mafia because of their roles.

[Perry Pelican]

Meaning you have a modifier that says informed?

[Perry Pelican]

The fuck are you on about

Inside joke that only RCE (Pelican), FL & Jingle (Bingle) will understand.

I would love to roll it again to be honest

[Perry Pelican]

Thank you FL.

[Perry Pelican]

Meaning you have a modifier that says informed?

Essentially my role PM says I investigate as mafia twice, the first time it says the neighborhood investigates as mafia, then it says "furry character flavorname man" investigates as mafia

Likewise but without knowing other role pms I'm not assuming it isn't related to the hood.

[Perry Pelican]

Im dumb, but I'm not seeing the issue here. And I'm not seeing how that's unambiguous.

[Perry Pelican]

You're looking scummy here FL. Pops I buy as town thinking she's really dig into something big here.

You're taking advantage of her right now.

[Perry Pelican]

I still don't know what the issue is.

[Perry Pelican]

And it's not like you're pushing it as a dumb tell.

[Perry Pelican]

Every damn time...

I'm a vig, and now I'm shooting N1. Probably between pops and FL. I wanted to pop like Marquis or Pine tonight but yeah.

Cool, let's end the day and get this over with.

[Perry Pelican]

I have a fun role.

I actually got Day 3 IC this time, which is funny in this miller neighborhood.

If you were to pick a cologne for someone right now who would it be?

Pops. More tonight

This is one of the things, i remember there being a few more things that RCE did to let me know he understood my claim.

The “cologne” gambit is another gambit I did in Musicals, the same game I claimed Day 3 IC as Vigilante in.

He was asking who I would shoot, and I said Pops. More tonight.

I specifically didn't want to double down on the same target and kinda wanted to shoot pops too. Then pops said something that led me to believe she's also vig related, a few things actually. So I jumped to the conclusion you were both town and the miller hood was really a vig hood but I kinda want to shoot you anyways.

[Perry Pelican]

All of those posts are letting pops know I'm vigging her if she keeps pushing.

[Perry Pelican]

Also wanted to avoid vigging my hood suspicions and get rid of one of the slots that are going to be a hindrance to town.

[Perry Pelican]

I'll rebuttal on break.

[Perry Pelican]

If you see someone breadcrumbing your role, you don't let that slide so easily

Where's the suspicion, even a hint of "I'm a vig and oh shit FL is sorting vig?"

It was going to be discussed tonight. It's not like I have to be the only vig, plus he later talked about his role having the ability to confirm OTHER people. So there's still the possibility he was crumbing multiple roles to flip back to.

[Perry Pelican]

let's make a deal

we lynch kagami

if he flips town you let me deathtunnel you until one of us dies

You will die first and I guarantee that. Do you still want to make that deal?

Pelican as a Vig, who knows I am a Vig, does not make this comment here towards Pops, because the correct assumption would be to assume that Pops is also a Vig here, as Pelican stated that he thought, but this actively shows that that wasn’t the thought process that he had.

He’s scum.

Pops is setting up a mislynch chain if Kagami is town here. If Kagami flipped today and flipped town I'd cut out the middle man and vig pops.

[Perry Pelican]

Before you do anything, I’d like you to take a hard stance on confirming if you knew or did not know that I was crumbing Vig, Perry the

Platypus

Pelican.

Yes but you transitioned to a new role after that.

[Perry Pelican]

I don’t believe I’ve been defending you. I’ve been thinking of passing on my Day 3 IC to you to see if you were really town or not.

Because essentially, that’s gonna be my role this game. I get to confirm one of the 3 of us as town, and if i pick someone who’s mafia, then they just don’t get confirmed.

I’m more than likely just gonna abuse it and get myself Towned. Just saying

This stopped being a vig claim and became a gunsmith claim. Possibly a loyal (X) role claim. Which made me think great, I can confirm myself with a vig shot, FL can do whatever it is he does to confirm or catch pops.

[Perry Pelican]

I'm not good at meta, or scumhunting, or reading orfhz, or aiming night actions

I am bad at everything except vig somehow i'm extremely good at vig

So is there maybe a neighborhood composed entirely of Strong Loyal people? I guess????

Their roles would not work on the Miller Vanillerizers but would work on the "investigates as mafia" people.

The point of the Chandra Nalaar account is to not roleplay and make references that break canon like "heat vision" and break my heart

Flame on!

I guess that's at least not DC comics.

pedit: If I could grant Pelipper the Strong modifier before this dayvig I think I would

I'll do push-ups for it.

Pelipper learned Bulk Up!

I'm annoyed about how FL's fakeclaim meta can let him remove himself from d1 d2 lynchpool with this crap, but on d3 he will fakeclaim a new replacement role and will not be revenge lynched.

Someone just vig him

It's not 100% certain that there is a mafia in the miller neighborhood. I think everyone agrees it's within FakeGod's "midrange" for the whole thing to be town. The vig neighborhood I was in in a FF large theme turned out to be all town even though the idea of scum voting on the vigshot was intriguing.

It will easier to spec how many scums the miller neighborhood should have after massclaim, before that I think you should just lynch people in the miller neighborhood if you think they're scummy.

There were a ton of Vig references from pop that made me think pops was either a Vig, had knowledge of a vig in our hood, or had a modifier tied to vig(granting a strongman modifier).

Which made me rethink my read, I've been back and forth with this several times.

[Perry Pelican]

FL get me lynched because I am 100% shooting you here.

[Perry Pelican]

FL I don't know if you know this but I am like 90% accurate when I've rolled Vig on site. The exception is the first normal we played together where my big was disloyal modified.

The way you're insisting we don't have this 1v1 tells me scum doesn't have a block available tonight.

[Perry Pelican]

okay i've been wondering this for fifty pages now

who or what the fuck is RCE

Oy mate.

[Perry Pelican]

We played purge together. I was on Tet I think.

[Perry Pelican]

FL knows I'm a braindead potato as scum and ofrhz can confirm this. So claiming I'm wifoming THE WHOLE PLAYERLIST is irrelevant. But it does warm my bird heart.

[Perry Pelican]

When I vig scum!FL I'm gonna write about it in my gtkas diary.

[Perry Pelican]

FL knows I'm a braindead potato as scum and ofrhz can confirm this. So claiming I'm wifoming THE WHOLE PLAYERLIST is irrelevant. But it does warm my bird heart.

To be fair, going for the Vig claim is literally what I gave as coaching advice to a newb scum partner (then years later she won best mafia performance)

And you also messed up with the role claim.

So I’m not claiming you’re next level scum play or anything.

However, I do see that you can be a solid scum player, but yeah.


And you’re hard exaggerating to defend yourself.

Your claim is that i set up you to claim your shot and then derail it for a day 1 1v1 instead which should directly implicate pops because what do I care if you vig town!pops. It would have to be to save my partner. But I'm also a roleblocker so what's the point in hard connecting us when I can just stuff your shot. But I also set up the claim to manipulate a bunch of mechanical players that I don't know are mechanical players as I've never played with them before.

Even just that sounds convuluted in a way that I don't grasp.

[Perry Pelican]

So one of the defenses for Pelican was that scum typically know exactly what is in their role PM and whatnot, right?

By Pelican’s own admittance, he’s a brain dead potato scum, which explains him legit slipping on a technicality, because I agree, it is a technicality, but it does prove him as scum the fact he confidently stated something contrary to both Pops and my role PM and that can only happen because of Freudian slip of his role PM not having to worry about knowing they investigate as mafia because he always investigates as mafia when he’s mafia.

He’s a good player, but unfortunately unlucky when scum.

You know I have a tendency to skim role pms (nk's normal with you and RC). I wanted to reference my botched claim in LNT specifically because jingle was the one to hard push me for it. That was just unfortunate communication with the mod however #BlameBoonskies

But that's not the point. It's unfortunate for you now because you can't hide behind pops if I flip and you can't afford to 1v1 me via nightplay so you have to force this lynch now.

[Perry Pelican]

FL knows I'm a braindead potato as scum and ofrhz can confirm this. So claiming I'm wifoming THE WHOLE PLAYERLIST is irrelevant. But it does warm my bird heart.

To be fair, going for the Vig claim is literally what I gave as coaching advice to a newb scum partner (then years later she won best mafia performance)

And you also messed up with the role claim.

So I’m not claiming you’re next level scum play or anything.

However, I do see that you can be a solid scum player, but yeah.


And you’re hard exaggerating to defend yourself.

Your claim is that i set up you to claim your shot and then derail it for a day 1 1v1 instead which should directly implicate pops because what do I care if you vig town!pops. It would have to be to save my partner. But I'm also a roleblocker so what's the point in hard connecting us when I can just stuff your shot. But I also set up the claim to manipulate a bunch of mechanical players that I don't know are mechanical players as I've never played with them before.

Even just that sounds convuluted in a way that I don't grasp.

So this is a scum discredit pushing the things that I am right for the wrong reasons about.

There’s plenty here that I’ve stated for pushing a scum case that wasn’t brought up, a la the mismatched role pm.

I’m probably wrong about the role blocker.

Good thing I didn’t once use that as one of those strikes against you I’ve listed. That’s just hypothetical.

You broke down like 3 of my 15+ reasonings, 7-8 of which are damning on their own.

Most of it still doesn't make sense to me. I'm told I investigate as mafia. And that the members of our hood investigate as mafia. It's in my role pm but it isn't laid out as an informed modifier. Which doesn't tell me if the neighborhood itself is the cause for the miller modifier or not. Since it's now known there are miller claims outside of our hood and there will be movement between hoods (I still haven't looked for the post this info was outed. I was asking pops for clarification when she ran with it as a scumclaim).

[Perry Pelican]

I'm told I investigate as mafia.

But how/why

Is the central issue here

The part that links to our hood which says everyone in the pt investigates as mafia, I'm part of everyone so it's already implied and in my abilities. Which is X-shot vig and that I investigate as mafia.

Which is redundant but that's a semantics thing.

[Perry Pelican]

It's a little dirty and angleshooty and I feel bad about it but maybe I'll cause FakeGod to run an even higher percentage of opens, woo.

It's whatever. Hopefully it stops you guys from using bad angleshot theories in the future.

[Perry Pelican]

I ummm, dont know why youre still pushing this RCE.

I cannot do back and forth things, but can we not do Perry Pelican v Flavor Leaf?

I just want to end the day. I don't have anything to talk about that hasn't been covered.

[Perry Pelican]

They're dumb.

[Perry Pelican]

The more I hear it the funnier it seems lol.

[Perry Pelican]

It does kuribo.

[Perry Pelican]

I would prefer perfume over cologne pls


Pelipper I want us to both die in this game so we can queue for a funner game together and have fun. I like you and I think this one has wound up a little stupid.

The cologne bit was just a reference to a gambit for him, which is how he confirmed he knew I was a vig.

@Marquis - he even confirmed he thought this earlier.

Which contradicts you saying my claim was to verify your role.

[Perry Pelican]

I would prefer perfume over cologne pls


Pelipper I want us to both die in this game so we can queue for a funner game together and have fun. I like you and I think this one has wound up a little stupid.

Maybe an open would be pretty fun.

[Perry Pelican]

That I investigate as mafia but it's not clear cut if it's because of the neighborhood or the neighborhood all investigates as mafia because of their roles.

Our clear cut is that we definitely do investigate as mafia because of our roles. It is our role. I understand exactly how it happened, and Pelican’s probably over it by this point, because it really is caught out on a technicality.

Still doesn't answer if this is because of the neighborhood. I don't know if I'm just not getting my point across or I'm just lost since no one else is curious about this.

[Perry Pelican]

That I investigate as mafia but it's not clear cut if it's because of the neighborhood or the neighborhood all investigates as mafia because of their roles.

Our clear cut is that we definitely do investigate as mafia because of our roles. It is our role. I understand exactly how it happened, and Pelican’s probably over it by this point, because it really is caught out on a technicality.

Still doesn't answer if this is because of the neighborhood. I don't know if I'm just not getting my point across or I'm just lost since no one else is curious about this.

That’s why it’s a slip.

We both know it’s our role that causes it, not the neighborhood granting a shroud of power turning us into that. It’s in our ability.

If i didn’t get vanilla’d and i was force switched into another neighborhood, I’d still be a vig who investigates as mafia.

It's not a slip. Someone could have just said no the hoods don't work that way. I'm trying not to be a drain and just give up but I'm kind of over defending why it's not. If I'm not lynched today I'm vigging you regardless.

[Perry Pelican]

That I investigate as mafia but it's not clear cut if it's because of the neighborhood or the neighborhood all investigates as mafia because of their roles.

Our clear cut is that we definitely do investigate as mafia because of our roles. It is our role. I understand exactly how it happened, and Pelican’s probably over it by this point, because it really is caught out on a technicality.

Still doesn't answer if this is because of the neighborhood. I don't know if I'm just not getting my point across or I'm just lost since no one else is curious about this.

That’s why it’s a slip.

We both know it’s our role that causes it, not the neighborhood granting a shroud of power turning us into that. It’s in our ability.

If i didn’t get vanilla’d and i was force switched into another neighborhood, I’d still be a vig who investigates as mafia.

It's not a slip. Someone could have just said no the hoods don't work that way. I'm trying not to be a drain and just give up but I'm kind of over defending why it's not. If I'm not lynched today I'm vigging you regardless.

Okay, so if you didn't slip, lemme ask you this:

If you think FL is lying, and FL is your direct counter-claim, and you plan on shooting Flavor Leaf or Pops...

why are you voting Kagami?

You haven't even bothered moving your vote to reflect what you seem to feel is possibly scum attacking you.

Or you think FL is town? And you're gonna shoot there N1 regardless?

Sooooo not buying it.

Vote: PerryPelican

I can kill him? I don't have to get him lynched.

[Perry Pelican]

If I get blocked or something then oh well, scum had to work for it at least instead of this bs.

[Perry Pelican]

I think 1+1=2 but, whatever you're into.

[Perry Pelican]

I don't get what you mean.

[Perry Pelican]

I have some last thoughts I'll save till L-1.

[Perry Pelican]

I was asking if it affected roles. That's what the whole slip thing is about.

[Perry Pelican]

Im under the impression that the vig claim from you is false as well, simply because there would be no reason to claim it, even if true.

Two slots I felt were town until they dug in to this scumslip thing banded together on it idk frustration maybe. Like idk how many times I could hint to pops that I'm going to shoot her in the face if she keeps pressing false narratives before she got it so I went blunt.

[Perry Pelican]

Im under the impression that the vig claim from you is false as well, simply because there would be no reason to claim it, even if true.

Two slots I felt were town until they dug in to this scumslip thing banded together on it idk frustration maybe. Like idk how many times I could hint to pops that I'm going to shoot her in the face if she keeps pressing false narratives before she got it so I went blunt.

So they're both scum, tag teaming you on day 1?

Nah, I think pops believes what she's pushing. I feel FL took advantage of that with pops as a shield, it only goes sideways if I live till the night because then I'm a threat to him. If I'm lynched it's unlikely FL hangs for it despite me flipping town.

[Perry Pelican]

Then not false narrative, incorrect line of reasoning?

[Perry Pelican]

She's digging for gold with a fork.

[Perry Pelican]

Why the fuck would we lynch in a 2 vig 1v1? One of them is lying, and the other one shoots them tonight. 90% it's PP lying, but if it isn't does it really matter?

the two vigs thing really aint an impossibility if we have two scum in our hood....

its really about whether he fucked up with the miller thing. doing that as town seems unlikely since apparently you would have two lines dedicated to it in your role pm. I find it strange regardless he didnt go the "i fucked up, didnt pay attention" instead of going straigjt for the vig claim.

It's not in separate lines. It's in the same line of abilities.

Regardless it still didn't answer my question of whether the hood was the cause of the modifier or a product of it.

[Perry Pelican]

Why the fuck would we lynch in a 2 vig 1v1? One of them is lying, and the other one shoots them tonight. 90% it's PP lying, but if it isn't does it really matter?

the two vigs thing really aint an impossibility if we have two scum in our hood....

its really about whether he fucked up with the miller thing. doing that as town seems unlikely since apparently you would have two lines dedicated to it in your role pm. I find it strange regardless he didnt go the "i fucked up, didnt pay attention" instead of going straigjt for the vig claim.

It's not in separate lines. It's in the same line of abilities.

Regardless it still didn't answer my question of whether the hood was the cause of the modifier or a product of it.

describe the buildup of your role pm, in intricate detail starting at the top

There's not going to be some voila moment that says only town could have that role pm so.

Why?

[Perry Pelican]

UNVOTE:

[Perry Pelican]

At this point I don't care - I had to read like 15 pages of back and forth about this this morning, so I just want to put this to rest and start to play the game

I don't ask him to describe it, I ask to paraphrase - essentially give description word by word with some very minor changes to not breach "quoting rc" rule. If he somehow manages that, it's not clear, but rather NAI, because he might figured out by provided info, but if he fails, that's a hard guilty

Then why would I ever?

[Perry Pelican]

I didn't plan on it.

[Perry Pelican]

Closer to l-1.

[Perry Pelican]

peli can you drop a readslist

Chandra, vecna, pops, fish, day one Lynch, Kagami town

Marquis is like null I guess.

If I had to guess a scumteam right now FL, jjd, one of jingle/Marquis, one of pine/gork

Also get penguin to stop skating but he's probably town.

These reads aren't really going to matter after I flip, no one cares about dead reads. What I did want to say is that it's doubtful me vs FL is TvT. It's probably in scums best interest to let us take the shots and try to move the Lynch elsewhere.

Scum probably don't have a roleblock available to them night 1 at least, it only really serves to explain why FL hasn't taken a shot down the line. Pops if you're town here don't let it slide, FL will give you every reason not to Lynch him but that doesn't mean you shouldn't.

[Perry Pelican]

Mmk vecna you can hammer now.

[Perry Pelican]

I'll say that's a tough town list to get behind. It's hard for me to townread almost anyone on my wagon.

[Perry Pelican]

I feel like the non serious nature of my post wasn't evident but at least you spent time replying

frick dang eff i got bamboozled.

I'll say that's a tough town list to get behind. It's hard for me to townread almost anyone on my wagon.

i mean.
ive literally been trying to bait a response from you.
and theres no emotional weight behind you being about to be lynched by what you perceive as a primarily scum driven wagon
when youre a claimed vig who has stated repeatedly that youre not pushing flavor because youre going to shoot him tonight.

why are you literally lying down and accepting death if youre town here

It's draining responding when most of what I'm getting back is "yeah this is scum" it's not conducive for any real discussion, even if it doesn't garner a townread on me. Most of the questions directed at me feel more like people looking for extra reasoning to scumread me and not genuinely engage me.

[Perry Pelican]

what was even the point of withholding your reads until now i dont get it

I didn't want to go ehh, FL town means scum are likely defending me or avoiding the lynch and influence what the wagon looks like.

[Perry Pelican]

It's draining responding when most of what I'm getting back is "yeah this is scum" it's not conducive for any real discussion, even if it doesn't garner a townread on me. Most of the questions directed at me feel more like people looking for extra reasoning to scumread me and not genuinely engage me.

but you think that most of the people calling you scum are scum
so why are you just responding to them and not pointing out why theyre scum?

i feel like its a pretty sweeping simplification of the situation to imply that theres no reason that town should scumread you when you are literally not trying to push anyone.
do you feel like people should be reading you as town here?

I didn't want to go ehh, FL town means scum are likely defending me or avoiding the lynch and influence what the wagon looks like.

im not sure i understand. are you saying you were trying to bait the rest of the wagon out before saying that you felt like scum would be sidelining if flavor is town?
wouldnt that mean that literally all of your reads are entirely circumstantial based on flavor and not based on people's specific play?

I don't have strong scumreads outside of FL and the sentiment is he's town regardless of my flip. I thought Kagami was scum making a play on Marquis but my read on Marquis has fallen off and Kagami somewhat explained his trajectory, the stance on scum vig is bold as scum but lynching the vig takes the edge off possibly.

I'm not saying that everyone pushing me as scum is scum or that town has no reason to scumread me. They read the game the way they read the game. But I don't feel the engagement has been to get a better read on me, for the most part.

My reads aren't really based around FL, I don't think any of them were really made with any association to him.

[Perry Pelican]

So when people were keen to let us 1v1 at night FL's counter was that he wasn't shooting while I was alive because he would just be roleblocked. He still had to push me as the Lynch but it's framework for why an extra shot hasn't shown up come day 3 or whenever people decide to take a look at him.

If this was a TvT thing I think scum would have nudged in a different direction because that makes it a possible 3 for 1 right? It's juicy. Which didn't really happen with the exception of jingle in like a broader sense I guess.

[Perry Pelican]

Sure, I'll talk about the claim part specifically.

[Perry Pelican]

RCE, you’re scum af.

Like omg. I’m like 100% right now actually. This is hilarious, but I have to wait a couple days because I can’t actually prove that

So here he's specifically playing towards what he perceives as my tell on him. I've never attempted to lynch him in games that he's scumread me day 1. But it also lets him set up his "Town!FL always flip flops" schtick if I become an unlikely Lynch target.

If you know for a fact your neighborhood are all millers then it doesnt seem very difficult to say "hello I am a miller"

I outed the neighborhood and called FL out on lying about being a miller. His question is answered just via previous gameplay.

What I don't want is people coasting by without keeping up with the game and then using it as an excuse to avoid input. I'm not explicitly saying kuribo will do this but I don't know that he won't right?

Reading the game answers it.

how am I lying about being a Miller? You're literally informed that I am one

miller’s definitely shorthand

This is FL backtracking once he realized that I was implying miller wasn't his role and was just a modifier.

I have a fun role.

I actually got Day 3 IC this time, which is funny in this miller neighborhood.

His first big soft

I have a fun role.

I actually got Day 3 IC this time, which is funny in this miller neighborhood.

If you were to pick a cologne for someone right now who would it be?

Pops. More tonight

The cologne bit was an acknowledgement of his claim but my attempt to also convey I was vig without also claiming day 3 IC.

FL is also throwing out things to hard pocket me that aren't really relevant to the rest of the playerlist that doesn't really come from his scum game. Scum!FL would cast a wider net which makes me think he's trying to consolidate a circle and this is him attempting to reach out.

The only thing that offsets this is the whole neighborhood is released when members die thing but it's probably minor tbh. Plus our neighborhood is pretty low priority.

Fuck

Originally this was confirmation that he was reaching out to form a town block. This doesn't really support any of my argument and I don't remember why I added this.

I don’t believe I’ve been defending you. I’ve been thinking of passing on my Day 3 IC to you to see if you were really town or not.

I think this was after I said he was still claiming a role that isn't really his role. I was thinking at this point I was just going to tell him outright he isn't vig when the hoods opened up night 1 but this is a departure from his Vig sorts and I've never seen Town!FL go back to a previous soft after sitting an additional role. If that makes sense.

Because essentially, that’s gonna be my role this game. I get to confirm one of the 3 of us as town, and if i pick someone who’s mafia, then they just don’t get confirmed.

I’m more than likely just gonna abuse it and get myself Towned. Just saying

Meaning you have a modifier that says informed?

Essentially my role PM says I investigate as mafia twice, the first time it says the neighborhood investigates as mafia, then it says "furry character flavorname man" investigates as mafia

Yup

This is when FL started pushing this as a slip. This was well after the initial interaction with Pops where she claims she caught it. In this gap FL even expressed townreads in me. But it wasn't until Kagami made comments on it that implied he could be swayed that FL really went after it. He had to wait on A.) Pops to be the main pusher of the idea to protect himself from the flip, or at least give him reasonable doubt. And B.) There had to be support to really greenlight it or he had to figure out the angle to push, I'm not really sure which.

[Perry Pelican]

Since I'm annoyed it's still a topic of discussion I will point out that it has always been and continues to be obvious that FL is not a day 3 anything. If you think he is, go look in a mirror because it says gullible on your forehead

That was his Vig claim. It's a callback from a previous game. But the only people it would have been a crumb for was myself and Fish kind of.

[Perry Pelican]

No you're like, the Gordon Ramsey of MafiaScum.

[Perry Pelican]

I kind of want to clear Croag even though I won't flip scum.

[Perry Pelican]

It was facetious at first but I don't see Croag taking this line after I've called defending me to get a separate lynch possibly scummy. Well I don't think they're paying the most attention so more accurate to say I don't see a scum team advising she take that line.

If she's scum with FL it would be setting her up to deepwolf but that's an odd choice imo, it's also counterintuitive to FL's scumgame because he would have to take the L to make that happen.

Likely just town.

[Perry Pelican]

I don't think it's beyond her scum range I just think it's unlikely scum play.

[Perry Pelican]

Read through all 6 new pages and didn't process any of it. I've said what I have to say. I wouldn't really mind going down here if it meant people were going to reevaluate FL but it's already been said they won't so, eh.

[Perry Pelican]

Hard disagree jjd. Day one Lynch is town though yes. I think the scumreads on ofhrz are warranted and I probably would have stuck my nose there more if she wasn't buttering me up.

[Perry Pelican]

@RCE: You got lynched because you either didn't read carefully (skimmed) or you legit scum slipped. There's no 3rd way to it.

I think it's a misunderstanding of what I meant with the neighborhoods but yeah it happens. I still think FL is scum.

[Perry Pelican]

My perceptions of the discrepancies in how you described the hood was always colored by an apparent avoidance of the topic, which suggested "miller/mafia" distinction was touchy for your slot, and it's scum-indicative for that to be touchy

It had everything to do with not trusting what Kuribo wanted out of the knowledge and nothing to do with my reading level.

Pedit: sure, I'd be down to play again.