Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Okay so, went climbing yesterday, I'm tired and sore, but Xof has major scum equity this game so I was taking an eye on her entrance and it's not impressive. It sounds like Xof, but almost like the viewpoint wasn't generated by her.

Kind of like the viewpoint was generated by committee with some help from an evil tree, actually.

Also it's super non-committal, which isn't EXACTLY outside town!Xof's range to open into this game, but it's certainly just on the edge of it, where as it lands SPECIFICALLY in the range for scum!Xof's game, abusing (as she should) her status as newly returning to mafia as a weapon to evade a lot of criticism.

The post is just not good. Tonally, it reeks of sidelining, and is phrased in a way that leaves just enough opportunity open to be corrected or deflected if needed.

Look at the following statements:

"I'm not saying she's scummy, just something about the tone is registering strangely to me."
"I don't think just Pine will use it that way, but everybody honestly could."
"I realize this really isn't all that much of real substance or anything, but this is what I'm thinking so far,"

there's more of this word optimization in there as well, but these are the clear examples where Xof espouses an opinion and then, to ensure that she isn't seen to be pushing an agenda too hard, she dilutes the opinion with a defensive statement of uncertainty.

Given Xof is mainly a survivor player, I can tell you with decent certainty that if a survivor player started talking like this, it's because they have an agenda and don't wanna be caught pushing it too hard. It's a

disarming

tactic, to get people to feel less concerned.

And I think it means she's pretty easily scum here. Pine has equity to pick her, plain and simple, because her renewal into Mafia makes her an unappetizing target to lynch early on and buys her time. Her post was not just weak, but weak with an agenda which makes me feel very nauseated towards it, and her tonality matches that of someone with something to hide.

My question is if people will have the guts to lynch her Day 1 or nah. Y'all gonna feel bad for her, or y'all wanna win this fucking game son?

Vote:Xof

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'mma say this shit now btw. In nice big bold ass letters.

THE PINE MECHANIC IS A TRAP. THE PINE MECHANIC IS A TRAP. PLAYING BALL WITH PINE, RESPONDING TO PINE, ASKING FOR FKN FRUIT BLINDLY IS A MOVE THAT LOWERS TOWN'S WIN PERCENTAGE IN A NON-MINUTE MANNER. NEXT PERSON WHO INTERACTS WITH PINE AND GIVES HIM AN INVASIVE PLATFORM, OR TAKES FRUIT BLINDLY WITHOUT SOME GENERAL OPINION IS EATING BULLETS AT NIGHT OR ROPE THE NEXT DAY I SWEAR IT.

Seriously, I'm not usually the player who advocates for "town consent on powers" and I still don't think we should be leashing how someone uses a power when we give it to them, but the mechanic we have in play will not help us if Pine can choose who he bargains with. He'll make choices that are consistently good for scum which is NEVER A GOOD THING FOR US. So, our best move is to only play ball with him when we control the outcome, and otherwise to treat him persona non grata. Excommunicado.

NO TALKIE.

Capiche?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'mma go watch some football with my husband and I'll check in later through the day.

The above message is something I didn't think I would have to say given previous games but y'all don't seem to have any discipline.

So I'mma make you have discipline, savvy?

Seriously though, vote Xof.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

woah pine is going to do things that he thinks will help his team win?

say it isn't so

I love when you quote a line I placed for emphasis and strong reminder more than to enlighten something people wouldn't know, as opposed to say commenting on the more lucid portions of the posting I've made.

Thoughts on Xof, please.

Also, given you're one of the culprits that post was intended to whip into shape, this is particularly funny~.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Alisae, my points on Xof are completely valid and fit well within the range of Pine's picks.

I want you to look me dead in the metaphorical internet eye and tell me this isn't just you being protective of a player who is coming back to the game after a time away from it.

Cause I expected this kind of resistance and I'm ready and willing to ram this down the throat of town because I feel pretty fucking confident, and these other wagons all feel very.... I don't like the way they are going, mostly due to how the votes on the pooled as opposed to having a strong feeling about the people themselves (Firebringer is super null, but I dislike the votes on that wagon immensily).

So, if you tell me this is for real and you actually town read Xof I will switch and find some other scumfuck to nail to the wall but know this

You gave us all a speech going into this game about how we should play and begging us not to bully you but you've literally been throwing your weight around at everybody. I know you're town but that don't make you fucking god. I'm willing to play ball but if I find out you've just been straight lying to ensure I push reads you approve instead of reads you don't I swear to god I will treat you like Pine this game, cause you'll be more anti-town than he is.

So let me ask this plainly

I have Xof!Scum dead to rights here, and you're calling her completely town. Is this a kneejerk reaction protecting a player you don't want to see die for personal reasons? Yes or No.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I’ll stop shoving my weight around tho
I shouldn’t be doing that considering this playerlist and its too early for that when I am negative utility read wise d1 but definitely have other uses and I should focus on those.
LLD if you could explain moreso what you’re feeling when it comes to everyone else? I know you said you don’t like it but what are you seeing that I’m not seeing that you dislike?

You want it, coming up.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

VOTE: Firebringer

what up jjh

VOTE: Firebringer

Here's a series of posts from, in order

Someone who voted in a reactionary form

The player's reaction

and Maria being town and turning it into a pressure situation.

But JJH's vote here is #not good and gives me the fucking creeps. Infact, a lot of JJH's vote hoping has given me the creeps. Let's go explore that momentarily.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

VOTE: Krazy

VOTE: Firebringer

Gonna go back to voting Krazy

VOTE: Krazy

VOTE: Ari

Would have kept my vote on Krazy since I think he was a bit sketch but Ari is far worse

It's one of the 3 valid reasons Mastina could have for putting me near the bottom of her readslist but I won't go into the other 2.

Damn LLD

I like there being an angry voice of reason

VOTE: Xofelf

Yeah sure I guess I'm down for this

Also
think I'll go back to

VOTE: Krazy

I'd rather do Fire than tw

Ali

Where are you on Gamma Emerald

Because I could vote there

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

Here we are, in order, JJH's votes and commentary about his votes between votes.

Let it be known that I am a proud advocate of vote hoping to apply pressure, so it is not merely that he is moving his vote frequently that bothers me.

It is that he seems to present no motivation in where his vote goes and is far more concerned with putting it somewhere than what it is actually doing.

Which makes me feel the vote hopping is performative, not analytical.

For example, constant votes on Krazy, a player with exactly zero traction, may as well be unvoting.

Moved onto FB is a sketch way as described above, then never talked about him once before moving back off onto Krazy, coincidentally when the FB wagon took off and got large. Which is another mark against him doing this for pressure.

Ari vote is ?!? because there's lots of reasons to vote Ari and this dude doesn't give a single one of them. And it's not as if he's seeking to silent vote here, he does think Ari is scum in this case per his own posting, but has no interest in pushing it as an agenda it would seem.

Then he tests the waters on GE with Ali, seeing if a vote there is possible.

Then he takes a few wacks at UT with something flimsy, and I think he knew it was flimsy, and I think that was the point.

From what I can tell of this dude's voting record, he's erratic and without real motivation to seek answers or drive his reads.

Which means to me one of two things:

1) he's fabricating those reads and is actively seeking to do this as a form of subterfuge.
2) he has no fucking idea what he's doing

I lean 1) heavily, but no matter which one it is I don't feel comfortable being on a wagon with it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

and Maria being town and turning it into a pressure situation.

really? cause I never felt pressure from my wagon and def not from marias empty vote.

I mean, whether the move was effective on you (and your ego? because believe it or not you're a lot closer to being D1 lynched than you think you are rn friend. and this calm and cool persona ain't helping us if you're town) I think that was Maria's intent in the vote to get something out of you, so I'm reading it that way.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

VOTE: chickadee

VOTE: menalque, he's so fucking opportunistic

What kills me is both these votes are attrocious and I can't help but wonder if one of them is bussing the other when I watch this.

All of Menalque's votes are garbage, btw. The Fire vote was pointless and hung there ever since post 51 and then he switched onto this?!

What kind of move is that, what is he accomplishing?

It just don't feel right.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah you have no idea how I play, it's cool

Vote: JJH

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Let's fucking go, scum caught. Seriously, that reaction is utter garbage.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

and Maria being town and turning it into a pressure situation.

really? cause I never felt pressure from my wagon and def not from marias empty vote.

I mean, whether the move was effective on you (and your ego? because believe it or not you're a lot closer to being D1 lynched than you think you are rn friend. and this calm and cool persona ain't helping us if you're town) I think that was Maria's intent in the vote to get something out of you, so I'm reading it that way.

i don't think i am immune to lynch, but the general vibe of the game is definitey not scumreading me. Like not even a single vote on me is really from "fire is scum" its like leftover rvs and chickadee forced vote. I am pretty aware of where everyone is at with reading me rn. Most have me at null or town.

so i think ur perception of my mislynchability is just how you think of me as a player not as a general outlook of how people are looking at me, which tbh why would you care to look at that. i care enough for general reads and ego purposes

I mean last I saw Ali still wants you dead?

or has that changed

[Lady Lambdadelta]

VOTE: FB
Obvscum.

Also, Pine, you're going down for not picking me, ya goddamned bastard! XD

hey alisae when should I start reading the thread in analysis mode

I assume when everyone has posted

Never.

That's my strat at least XD

VOTE: Aristophanes
Last game, Pine first picked Aristophanes to be scum.
Pine would never do the same thing twice.
Therefore, Aristophanes is scum.

My logic is flawless.

I mean your logic makes no sense but there's a way you're right

I can dig it XD

VOTE: Ari

Like this is part of my problem,JJH.

If you're town explain the motivation behind these sequential posts. You _really_ think Ari is scum based on these?

I'll grant you the Fire vote was guttertrash but what separated that from him being bad and him being scum yeah?

I wanna know.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I mean last I saw Ali still wants you dead?or has that changed

i mean, do you honestly think ali counts for anything? ICs are generally ignored to begin with.

I mean she completely derailed my Xof lynch and trust me I still think Xof is scum, but there's not a lot more I can learn there while Ali is deflecting all attempts to probe.

Admittedly, Xof's post in reply to mine was a bit better than I expected it to be, but she also had the benefit of time and protection from Ali so

I dunno. I thikn Ali has some sway.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

wait wouldn't grey ice try to pick a fight with LLD if he was scum? That seems like something scum!ice might do

He's been physically ill since game start, I can confirm, so I dunno what to read from him. I know his lethargic stuff isn't faked so... I know nothing, lol.

I need him to do more to know.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I mean last I saw Ali still wants you dead?or has that changed

i mean, do you honestly think ali counts for anything? ICs are generally ignored to begin with.

I mean she completely derailed my Xof lynch and trust me I still think Xof is scum, but there's not a lot more I can learn there while Ali is deflecting all attempts to probe.

Admittedly, Xof's post in reply to mine was a bit better than I expected it to be, but she also had the benefit of time and protection from Ali so

I dunno. I thikn Ali has some sway.

i think ur overstating alisae effect on that

It's how it felt to me, but sure.

Look this is more a pep talk because the more I talk to you about this the more convinced I become you're town so I'd rather not watch your pride go before your fall, if you will.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The main reasoning behind it is that I sling my vote around a lot in the early game

Ari was a scumlean there, and still is tbh

How the fuck you gonna sit there and tell me I don't know how you play when I literally talk about early vote throwing to generate reads as a method of play I understand and respect, but the issue is I don't think you're doing it I think you're faking it.

There are

way

better people to be putting votes on if you were really vote slinging to gather info, and your votes seem more like you're testing the waters to see what is okay to lynch and where there is the most resistance as opposed to solving for scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Let's fucking go, scum caught. Seriously, that reaction is utter garbage.

Catching up now, LLD whats this about?

JJH's reaction to one of my posts, please read things yourself instead of asking me to re-litigate.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It's how it felt to me, but sure.Look this is more a pep talk because the more I talk to you about this the more convinced I become you're town so I'd rather not watch your pride go before your fall, if you will.

ummm im not saying my takes on your case is what stopped xofelf push/wagon;

real question cause im kind of curious: do you think i have some sort of pride issue or what?

I do. I think you kind of suffer from the condition where you think you shouldn't and thus won't be lynched, and don't expect to be, and when you suddenly are it's because other people are idiots and not because you weren't paying attention to where the wind was blowing.

I dunno, that's still my sense of you. I admittedly haven't played with you in a while, but...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm kinda intrigued at how you think one is supposed to gather info by vote slinging

The same way I've done it for years. Put votes on people and follow up with lines of questioning that attack areas I want exposed to see the nature of the player, often relying on other players to lend their votes to me to ensure the threat of being lynched carried heavier weight.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I need to go nap my head is swimming. Ali do you want me to talk about anyone in particular for when I wake up

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You fucking morons I've been playing differently this game because Alisae SPECIFICALLY ASKED for us to play a certain way not to make things shitty.

I'm so feuas;shdfa'f'sa'j

LIKE OF COURSE I SOUND FAKE, I'VE BEEN LITERALLY CONTROLLING MY POSTS SO NOT TO BREAK THE FUCKING REQUEST WE WERE ASKED.

WOULD YOU PREFER I TELL ALISAE WHO LITERALLY ONE GAME AGO WE PLAYED ALMOST BROKE DOWN BECAUSE I YELLED AT HER, TO GO FUCK HERSELF AND I'M LYNCHING XOF ANYWAY?

I'VE BEEN DOING NOTHING BUT WHAT I LITERALLY ALWAYS DO AS TOWN, HUNT AND PUSH, MUTED AND WATERED DOWN BECAUSE ALISAE ASKED FOR IT.

YOU'RE ALL PIECES OF SHIT FOR TAKING THAT AND USING IT AGAINST ME.

ALISAE DOES IT BY LITERALLY DOING WHAT SHE ASKS US NOT TO DO IN ABSENCE OF US DOING IT.

AND NOW Y'ALL ARE LIKE "OH LLD SOUNDS FAKE" LIKE BITCH MY HUSBAND DIDN'T SOUND LIKE HIMSELF EITHER BUT NO ONE EVER SEEMS TO GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THAT.

IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT ME. YOU WANNA KNOW ABOUT ME, LET'S PLAY A GAME

WHICH OF YOU MORONS NEEDS A FUCKING HISTORY LESSON

I HAVE NEVER BEEN DRAFTED BY SCUM INTO A SCUM TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF EVER.

NO SCUM WILL EVER DRAFT ME IN A GAME LIKE THIS BECAUSE I ALWAYS DRAW EYES.

DEATHWORLDERS MAFIA: NOT DRAFTED
FIRST PINE GAME: NOT DRAFTED

LIKE

I LITERALLY GOT TAUNTED BY PINE FOR FUCKING BEING UNDRAFTABLE BECAUSE NO ONE WILL EVER TAKE ME FUCKING SERIOUSLY AND IGNORED IT BECAUSE Y'ALL ARE STUPID FOR EVEN DISCUSSING PINE, BUT APPARENTLY HE'S FUCKING PSYCHIC BECAUSE I'M LITERALLY SAT HERE WITH TWO SCUM UNDER MY BOOT, DOING ACTUAL LITERAL SCUMMY THINGS UNDER MY WATCH, AND Y'ALL LIKE.

"OH YEAH THAT SILLY GIRL SHE'S NOT YELLING MUST BE FAKE"

FUCK YOU ALL.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

VOTE: LLD

Fuck off you unbelievable troll.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I LITERALLY GOT TAUNTED BY PINE FOR FUCKING BEING UNDRAFTABLE BECAUSE NO ONE WILL EVER TAKE ME FUCKING SERIOUSLY AND IGNORED IT BECAUSE Y'ALL ARE STUPID FOR EVEN DISCUSSING PINE, BUT APPARENTLY HE'S FUCKING PSYCHIC BECAUSE I'M LITERALLY SAT HERE WITH TWO SCUM UNDER MY BOOT, DOING ACTUAL LITERAL SCUMMY THINGS UNDER MY WATCH, AND Y'ALL LIKE.

Sure I'll buy xof

but the jjf vote was fucking trash

and you're not town if you made it

You really don't think that dude's votes are scummy?

I literally gave reason. I didn't just vote him cause he was pissing me off.

I showed people his votes.

He reacted to defend himself.

I pressed on it.

He reacted poorly.

I voted to see how it would go, and because I thought he was scum.

Did you even bother to read the post I made about his vote progression or the ISO I did on it?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

VOTE: Krazy

VOTE: Firebringer

Gonna go back to voting Krazy

VOTE: Krazy

VOTE: Ari

Would have kept my vote on Krazy since I think he was a bit sketch but Ari is far worse

It's one of the 3 valid reasons Mastina could have for putting me near the bottom of her readslist but I won't go into the other 2.

Damn LLD

I like there being an angry voice of reason

VOTE: Xofelf

Yeah sure I guess I'm down for this

Also
think I'll go back to

VOTE: Krazy

I'd rather do Fire than tw

Ali

Where are you on Gamma Emerald

Because I could vote there

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

Here we are, in order, JJH's votes and commentary about his votes between votes.

Let it be known that I am a proud advocate of vote hoping to apply pressure, so it is not merely that he is moving his vote frequently that bothers me.

It is that he seems to present no motivation in where his vote goes and is far more concerned with putting it somewhere than what it is actually doing.

Which makes me feel the vote hopping is performative, not analytical.

For example, constant votes on Krazy, a player with exactly zero traction, may as well be unvoting.

Moved onto FB is a sketch way as described above, then never talked about him once before moving back off onto Krazy, coincidentally when the FB wagon took off and got large. Which is another mark against him doing this for pressure.

Ari vote is ?!? because there's lots of reasons to vote Ari and this dude doesn't give a single one of them. And it's not as if he's seeking to silent vote here, he does think Ari is scum in this case per his own posting, but has no interest in pushing it as an agenda it would seem.

Then he tests the waters on GE with Ali, seeing if a vote there is possible.

Then he takes a few wacks at UT with something flimsy, and I think he knew it was flimsy, and I think that was the point.

From what I can tell of this dude's voting record, he's erratic and without real motivation to seek answers or drive his reads.

Which means to me one of two things:

1) he's fabricating those reads and is actively seeking to do this as a form of subterfuge.
2) he has no fucking idea what he's doing

I lean 1) heavily, but no matter which one it is I don't feel comfortable being on a wagon with it.

I wrote this, thinking he was scum but wanting to wait on a vote. It made more sense to wait because I could see what people did.

Then he came in and literally flail defended against my points, naming none of them and just kind of throwing generalized barriers.

The defense and reaction were awful, so I voted him and put pressure there in the way I did because I wanted to see who would join for what reasons.

If I didn't think he was scum I would have changed my vote. I'm not above a gambit, but this isn't one.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I LITERALLY GOT TAUNTED BY PINE FOR FUCKING BEING UNDRAFTABLE BECAUSE NO ONE WILL EVER TAKE ME FUCKING SERIOUSLY AND IGNORED IT BECAUSE Y'ALL ARE STUPID FOR EVEN DISCUSSING PINE, BUT APPARENTLY HE'S FUCKING PSYCHIC BECAUSE I'M LITERALLY SAT HERE WITH TWO SCUM UNDER MY BOOT, DOING ACTUAL LITERAL SCUMMY THINGS UNDER MY WATCH, AND Y'ALL LIKE.

Sure I'll buy xof

but the jjf vote was fucking trash

and you're not town if you made it

You really don't think that dude's votes are scummy?

I literally gave reason. I didn't just vote him cause he was pissing me off.

I showed people his votes.

He reacted to defend himself.

I pressed on it.

He reacted poorly.

I voted to see how it would go, and because I thought he was scum.

Did you even bother to read the post I made about his vote progression or the ISO I did on it?

Yeah i read it

Yeah you have no idea how I play, it's cool

he didn't give two shits

crapping christ how is that a bad reaction? he's telling you he dgaf

he clearly doesn't have strong reads which is unsurprising, a lot of people are there

and krazy's content is a fucking joke, the best reason to town read her is the idea that Pine wouldn't draft her if that's how much she's gonna post

it's bad because it's LITERALLY DEFLECTIVE, KEITH.

IF HE'S TOWN, WHY DOESN'T HE GO "SO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW I PLAY AT ALL, LOL. HERE'S WHY"

he doesn't. He just deflects. That makes me think he's hiding something and I've struck a nerve.

YOU KNOW HOW I PLAY. TELL ME IN WHAT WORLD I DON'T POUNCE ON THAT AS TOWN TRYING TO FIGURE SHIT OUT.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Lynching LLD because she's good at scum is gross. That's not playing to wincon.

that'd be a stronger argument in games where alignment is randomly decided

but overall that's not what anyone is saying anyway. they're saying she's harder to read because she's a good player

what's gross is this argument, congratulations on taking your town read and burning it

It's stronger in games where my alignment ISN'T RANDOMLY DETERMINED and YOU ARE IN THE GAME.

Pine already had a chance to draft me before and didn't because of the literal reasons no one ever drafts me into a scum team, which you won't acknowledge.

But worse than that, if your logic holds, he chose to draft me and not you.

WHAT KIND OF PLAY IS THAT?! WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA BE PROBLEMATIC IN THAT WORLD. EITHER HE DRAFTS US BOTH OR NEITHER OF US AT ALL.

I HAVE LESS EQUITY AS A RESULT.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So Grey ice is scum and Katsuki is trolling

What else is new?

He's not likely scum for the same reason I'm not likely scum.

You make us both town, we'll be at each others throats before you know it.

I'm sure Pine did research before drafting, I mean the message I got was way to involved for him not to have.

So I'm assuming he knows this. I wasn't drafted, and if you don't draft me you definitely don't draft my husband because I might turn around and go "you're making me paranoid" and lynch him for no good reason.

Hell, I say this now but ask me in two days and I might still do the same. That's how my diseased brain works, lol.

But he's not scum, not likely.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Katsuki on the other hand, could easily be scum with this method of approach, issue is, I'd have no clue because Katsu does this as town just as often.

It's an enigma of shitty play.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

His scumread is like the same scumread he used on you last time I saw both of you in game

I don't hold much to meta, but show me anyway?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

SHITTY TOWN PLAY YOU SURE GOT ME!

You're lucky that towns on this site are so insanely shit nowadays, circa 2012 you'd be getting powerlynched.

Circa 2012 you'd have put me to L-1, I'd have claimed and then one of you or Keith would have been lynched.

That might still happen, honestly. I'm doing all I can to make sure the right one does if it ends up that way, so.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

His scumread is like the same scumread he used on you last time I saw both of you in game

And he was scum in that

LMAO

HUMOR ME

PRETTY SURE THE LAST GAME I WAS SCUM VS LEXI TOWN WAS BEFORE YOU JOINED THE SITE

Dice Mafia

[Lady Lambdadelta]

and he's not talking about you

[Lady Lambdadelta]

oh so your scumreads are GI + me now? Did all your other reads evaporate? ^_^

conclusive proof you're not reading the game even remotely, given I've explained my reads on you and Keith within the last page.

but okay

[Lady Lambdadelta]

it's bad because it's LITERALLY DEFLECTIVE, KEITH.

IF HE'S TOWN, WHY DOESN'T HE GO "SO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW I PLAY AT ALL, LOL. HERE'S WHY"

he doesn't. He just deflects. That makes me think he's hiding something and I've struck a nerve.

YOU KNOW HOW I PLAY. TELL ME IN WHAT WORLD I DON'T POUNCE ON THAT AS TOWN TRYING TO FIGURE SHIT OUT.

Because he's a bit offended you're wrong and he doesn't really give a crap. He figures you'll come around because he's fucking town, and he thinks you're town, and that'll shine through. Christ, that's more reaction than I usually give when some townie votes me (actually are any voting me right now? Probably). The difference in reaction between you voting him and The_Worst voting him was HUGE and is fairly fucking easily discernible. And p. damn hard to fake mostly because it doesn't look like he's actually trying to fake it in any way.

You're pouncing on him because you smell blood. Too bad I'm a shark hunter, and this ain't shark week. Also:

But worse than that, if your logic holds, he chose to draft me and not you.

WHAT KIND OF PLAY IS THAT?! WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA BE PROBLEMATIC IN THAT WORLD. EITHER HE DRAFTS US BOTH OR NEITHER OF US AT ALL.

I HAVE LESS EQUITY AS A RESULT.

Y'know I don't really fall back on WIFOM too often because often times WIFOM is a sortable puzzle

But fucking christ this hurts me. This is WIFOM mixed with bleach

Of course I'm pouncing on him because I smell blood. Scum leak blood when pressured, my dude. I'm not above shredding scum when they are weakened and on the back foot.

You say he doesn't care and was offended.

I say he can be all those things and still be acting the way he did to DEFLECT ME.

You say he wanted his townieness to shine through.

He didn't do it in the follow up to that interaction.

After then, all he's done is poke at people who join his wagon (not me) to try and discourage more people from joining it.

If JJH was you, I wouldn't have done this move, I don't understand what your argument is here. JJH doesn't read to me like a player who plays like you, I figured I could get what I needed from him and from others. If you seriously think town!Lexi doesn't push on him that way then you are forgetting how I've played in the millions of Avalon games we've played. The few times I'm town, at least.

Show any weakness and I'm on top of you. Look sideways wrong and I'm on top of you.

That's how I play and you know it so stop fucking around with this and help me lynch scum.

You think JJH is town, sell me.

This is the last post I can make on this before I need to go nuclear, because we're both town and I have to stop this before it becomes a complete takeover of the thread.

So if after all I've given you, including WIFOM with Pine picks, you still think I'm scum, let me know and I'll just have to sacrifice small personal value for overall town sustainability.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Keith I think he means the Pick your Power game where we were both scum? I actually have no idea what he means but I'd love him to find it and prove it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

In that you can be this stupid and not have dropped dead of eating paint chips or spontaneously forgetting to breath, you can call me confused.

Yo seriously chill, Keith. Tranquilo or something.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This is the last post I can make on this before I need to go nuclear, because we're both town and I have to stop this before it becomes a complete takeover of the thread.

Go nuclear. Don't. I don't care. This isn't changing my reads. I'm not arguing whether JJH is scum - for the record I think you were bussing Xof. You know I don't argue with scum. I lynch them.

Fine.

My role is impossible for scum to have on a balance spectrum, and it's provable.

I am a commuter. Just... straight up commuter. No shots, no limitations, not odd night not "can't use it twice in a row" I'm just...

a commuter. every night. forever.

Given Mastina's claim, given everything that may be in this game, given fruits and all that...

this role doesn't make a lick of sense as scum and it's gross. I'm town, Keith. I know you lynch scum and don't argue but I'm ending this shit here. Reevaluate based on the fact I'm town, or don't and perma tunnel me I guess, but this is conclusive proof in my mind.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

this role doesn't make a lick of sense as scum and it's gross. I'm town, Keith. I know you lynch scum and don't argue but I'm ending this shit here. Reevaluate based on the fact I'm town, or don't and perma tunnel me I guess, but this is conclusive proof in my mind.

So what you're saying is that you're a bulletproof ascetic. Could scum get a bulletproof ascetic?

Hmmm.

I dunno.

Wait yes I do know, that's a great scum claim

WHO THE FUCK GIVES SCUM A BULLETPROOF ASCETIC IN A POWER MADNESS GAME BASED ON DRAFTING?!

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU

WHAT IS YOUR MALFUNCTION. THIS IS LIKE EX-POSTFACTO GOING BACK TRYING TO JUSTIFY ANYTHING YOU CAN TO KEEP CALLIN} ME SCUM

WE'VE HAD THIS EXACT ISSUE BEFORE. AND YOU SAID THE OPPOSITE WORDS.

YOU KNOW I'M RIGHT, SO YOU LYING JUST CAUSE YOU THINK I'M SCUM OR SOMMAT?

so done

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I should have known better than to think I could try and work with you.

Maybe it's just hope that in one of these games we won't literally both try and kill each other.

And the worst part is I am confident you're town so I don't even have an angle to push at that will make my life easier.

I either need to push scum while you scream at people to vote me all game

or push at you knowing you're town just to get you the fuck out of my face

I hate this, this isn't fun.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If we have a bulletproof vig, a Mafia Commuter is basically a traitor.

I

um

what

I don't understand this logic either, not that I particularly care anymore.

I'm gonna be lynched today for being emotional and pushing at people aggressively.

Which is what I do in every game as town I've ever played in.

While having town equity because you're suggesting somehow I was drafted and you weren't.

and as a role that I think never ends up in scum's hands.

so glad I agreed to play.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't think mastina and LLD can both be town and bulletproof. That seems like a 1v1.

Mastin claimed bulletproof vig?

?!!

I thought she just claimed vig

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Infinite commuter is something Jingle would give to a universally loved player

Or a player who is likely to be shot after pushing hard on people.

Which is why I pushed so hard... on people.

Which, given Jingle's limited knowledge of me, is all I can understand of it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

VOTE: LLD

Oh look the scum talked themselves into voting me with bullshit logic.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You can say no all you like but it doesn't change the truth.

I was handed this role by Jingle and you trying to reason how i shouldbt have been as your reason to vote me is shallow and indicative of your alignment

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This isn't remotely solid. This is baseless conjecture and your fear of a 1v1 and desire to call me town only furthers my logic.

You were scared to engage so you deflected and now you are lynching me to remove someone who caught you but you needed a reason that doesn't contradict how you spoke earlier.

So you jumped at that

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't give a fuck, you literally called me unlikable so you can go right to hell.

You were wary, afraid, concerned etc of facing me because I would double down and push harder. This is your literal motivation

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You said it plainly

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Fuck off I don't need pity.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

...

Can we please lynch this scum? This is ridiculous.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Manipulate to bring you on my level what.

You literally are doing what I said you are doing. You said it yourself. This is such bullshit doubletalk

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah you aren't making it personal at all dude.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I have already offered not to commute tonight.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wait really?

Then lightning rod me. Anyone with an ability including vigs if they want can shoot me. I don't care. Its better than this.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vigging LLD and having a real lynch today is indeed better EV than mislynching her, and I think it's a mislynch

If LLD is a mislynch then what wagon was she the counter to?

One why can't both wagons be town
Two I am not lynched yrt and there isnt only two options so there isnt really a counter wagon
Three JJH is scum

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yes. It proves my role and commuter is not scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If that is the case Keith why the fuck would i claim it as scum

Why not just claim mason if I am going down like that

Lost in a fucking tunnel

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Commuter trumps roleblocker my dude. That's like NAR 101

Yes this is correct

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If that is the case Keith why the fuck would i claim it as scum

Why not just claim mason if I am going down like that

Lost in a fucking tunnel

Because bulletproof is a great early scum claim. That's why scum use it all the fucking time.

It's not a vanilla claim which draws a "well you might as well lynch, it's just a VT". It feels like a power role. No one ever asks why the power role is still alive. On top of that you can't be investigated, which helps if you're alive on day 7.

If you claimed mason, eventually you'd either need a mason buddy, or a real mason would claim and counterclaim you. And if someone claims buddy and you get investigated, you both blow up. It's quite a gambit in what's supposed to be a power madness game. We both know fakeclaiming mason as scum is an insane gambit that only very rarely pays off, and usually pays off done around day 2-3 in a mini with a number of roles (where there's just enough churn for no one to ask why the masons are still alive).

How many games have we played together

How many times have we agreed bulletproof is a scummy claim

I am saying my role is so scummy and powerful, it cannot be scum.

I would not claim this as scum for obvious fucking reasons.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

KEITH ISNT SCUM ALISAE

AND IM NOT MANIPULATING YOUR EMTOIONS I WAS PLAYING BY YOYR FUCKIGN RULES YOU JERK

[Lady Lambdadelta]

JJH is scum though so

[Lady Lambdadelta]

As a child my parents beat me until I became what they wanted. As a child my father screamed at me that if i was goinf to cry he would give me a reason as a child my mother decided that if i wouldnt agree to her desires she would call me crazy. As a child my parents made me into a fucking monster what the fuck does that have to do with anything why the fuck am I grtting this from you qhen others are tryibg to convince you of shit too.

No kidding I was trying to talk to you. I wanted to fuckong know if your shit on Xof was a mason thing e
Without asking uou if she was a fuckong mason. I needed to know if she was town or just likable so i could pivot.

But i needed tk be cautious to avoid outing it

So i asked how I did and any answer except no ita more personal was taking me off that wagon because fuck risking that shit.

You say im manipulating you but holy shit like

[Lady Lambdadelta]

im so done I cant take this

Literally last straw being told by someome oh my childhood was bad fuck you my childhood was garbage too this...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like ignoring my alignment that is so fucked up

[Lady Lambdadelta]

IM NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO SAY HOW CONFIDENT I AM IN MY READS ANYMORE

NEWS AT FUCKING TWELVE.

you kidding me

I told you yiu were being a jerk becsuse you were. Telling me oh behave correctly prior tk game then behaving exact opposite is fucking awful no matter the case

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Uggh I'll do LLD next then in my Iso diving but srsly I'm not sold.

Have you read anything I said about the topic?

If so, what’s holding you back?

I've read every one of your posts I've come across, I just...they read town to me. The rage was legit, the push to figure xof out seemed legit. I like the jjh vote even if I skimmed that post from them tbh.

They just haven't struck me as scum.

I really don’t think any of that is outside of her scumrange dude

Nothing is outside my scumrange you twit.

If you make statements like this of course you're confirmation bias yourself towards believing I'm scum.

"She was honest about everything!" Inside my scumrange
"She agreed to die before a specific time in the game!" Inside my scumrange
"She's confirmed town by this role!" Inside my scumrange (no seriously, PYP Mafia. Number 6 I think. This was literally a thing I used.)

EVERYTHING is inside my scumrange.

If your issue is based off paranoia and the fact you felt "emotionally manipulated" by me trying to be cautious about mason shit and trying to obey your fucking rules and not yell at you, guess what

GUESS WHAT

Mafia is emotional manipulation. You are trying to convince other people to vote how you want them to and that you have similar goals to them.

GreyICE emotionally manipulated you and others into voting for me by being loud and confident.

I was emotionally manipulating you into trying to have a fucking conversation with me quickly about Xof so I could know where to progress.

The question isn't "does LLD use ATE and emotions to play" the question is "is she scum this time using it?" because I do it just as much as town.

I'm not specifically trying to manipulate you with some grand machina plan, but convincing you to do/think/talk about something is literally a manipulative act, especially when there's a power imbalance between me a townie who will always be suspected and you a confirmed innocent player holding me back from pushing lynches.

If your only fucking reason for voting me, which it seems to be, is that I did that, you need to fucking get your glasses checked.

You've played this before. When the fuck does ANYONE EVER DRAFT ME.

I'M ALWAYS A MUST KILL BEFORE LYLO IN GAMES LIKE THESE.

BUT AT LEAST LET ME PLAY.

YOU CAN'T DO THIS BURDEN OF PROFICIENCY SHIT BUT NEVER EVEN HAND ME A CHANCE TO PROVE MY ALIGNMENT BY LYNCHING SCUM.

LIKE WHAT THE FUCK LOL

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD you get drafted because if I don't have the masons to me sane and always thinking about the game, I would literally let you bully me into following you.
really wish you were my mason atm.

don't say shit like this Ali, this is super dangerous. People can glean information from it...

Like seriously don't talk about the masons, protect them at all costs. Do you understand?

As for the point it stands to reason that you should be concerned about me. I encourage everyone to be concerned about me, and with my role don't let me live to lylo.

Scum will only benefit from the paranoia in the end.

But being concerned and paranoid and needing to lynch town because my husband has exactly zero trust in me (and often misreads me as a result. Famous quote from him is that if he just lynches me day 1 every game he never needs to worry about me. It's a fair concept, but I hate it so.)

So like, listen to your masons and judge the game accordingly, but let me show you I'm town. You have a lot of time and space to be able to remove me surgically later if you become worried about me taking over.

So for now, listen to what I've been saying about JJH.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

VOTE: LLD
a full commuter being claimed my LLD?
Yeah nah that can't be town

It is town, I wouldn't claim it if I wasn't town. There's no benefit, this reaction is gonna happen from everyone. I figured this gut reaction would be enough to SHOW PEOPLE I AM TOWN.

Trust in me. Give me a chance to show you I'm town. Stop knee jerk voting at me when something ticks wrong, because to you everything I do ticks you wrong somehow.

And yes this is manipulation. I need to convince you I'm town because well I'M TOWN.

So jsut... gahhh

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like I already full claimed it. No restrictions no limits full commuter. I was clear in my post

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am not scum and having to fight my husband about it is gonna make this game a nightmare so

Ali, JJH is not CES. He isnt GreyICE and he isnt me. He is JJH. Like... I dont go in for meta but if Keith is arguing about the CES tell lots of scummy people did that shit and do that shit.

It is about vote motivation

And he doesnt have it. He just doesn't.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That is such made up justification for his votes. Lol not even JJH had those reasons when pushed. He did what he did to try and find easy lunches.

Occams razor. KEITH will see what he wants to see, but it aint the trutg

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why does Lambdadelta being the main proponent of your lynch adds an interesting dynamic when she's town?

I don't think he can vote there without being suspicious, and if I somehow get mislynched that's great for scum in the universe where LLD is town

Who is He in this?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why does Lambdadelta being the main proponent of your lynch adds an interesting dynamic when she's town?

I don't think he can vote there without being suspicious, and if I somehow get mislynched that's great for scum in the universe where LLD is town

Who is He in this?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I agree Ank's posting has been kind of.. Weird.

I feel like Ank is holding back around the edges and just trying to stay far enough from conflict that he won't be noticed, but close enough to leave a trail for future votes? Its hard to get a bead on his motives. Like with Keith its like... His motives are clear and even if I think he is wrong as fuck and need to hold myself from screaming when he pushes me it has basis in reality and feels real and not fabricated.

But Ank feels like... Less than that in a way.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

VOTE: LLD
a full commuter being claimed my LLD?
Yeah nah that can't be town

It is town, I wouldn't claim it if I wasn't town. There's no benefit, this reaction is gonna happen from everyone. I figured this gut reaction would be enough to SHOW PEOPLE I AM TOWN.

Trust in me. Give me a chance to show you I'm town. Stop knee jerk voting at me when something ticks wrong, because to you everything I do ticks you wrong somehow.

And yes this is manipulation. I need to convince you I'm town because well I'M TOWN.

So jsut... gahhh

why did you keep it to yourself for like, the first 48 hours of the day?

One cause my job is hellish and I wanted to rest? Therapy for autistic children is exhausting.

And two, because you asked me not to flood the thread so I figured taking time would help my erratic posting be limited.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I received the message

I think Ank could be scum

I received the message

YOU AREN'T TOWN DUDE

This is concerning. Do you think Chen and Ann have S/S equity?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I received the message

I think Ank could be scum

I received the message

YOU AREN'T TOWN DUDE

This is concerning. Do you think Chen and Ann have S/S equity?

I don't think you actually made that progression.

You don't think I made the progression

1) Alisae calls Ank scummy
2)Chen calls Ank scummy
3) Alisae calls chen not town for his posts
4) I question whether Chen and Ann had scum scum equity due to your read on ank?

How is that hard?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Tbf that argument means nothing to me chennis so I guess the point about gains can be true

JJH who the fuck is he third time asking

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah
I want to lynch LLD.
xof is back on the table but that doesn't change the fact that LLD is the lynch today.

I'm not letting a full commuter pass
sorry

Why the fuck are you like this

I am not commuting tonight. If i do you will kill me tomorrow

If i lynch town today you will lynch me tomorrow

I am literally alreafy dead to rights why the fuck wouldn't you want to let me live.

Like unless you just straight up didnt wanna play with me which is fine i can peace

Its like you have all these scum reads but you only ever push me on paranoia shit and bad logic (commuter is terrible day 1 lynch when claimed)

So like you gonna let me play or nah

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Tbf that argument means nothing to me chennis so I guess the point about gains can be true

JJH who the fuck is he third time asking

oh is from when I was clearly talking about Pink Ball because Ali asked me

If it was clear I wouldny have asked you self righteous jerk

[Lady Lambdadelta]

VOTE: LLD
a full commuter being claimed my LLD?
Yeah nah that can't be town

It is town, I wouldn't claim it if I wasn't town. There's no benefit, this reaction is gonna happen from everyone. I figured this gut reaction would be enough to SHOW PEOPLE I AM TOWN.

Trust in me. Give me a chance to show you I'm town. Stop knee jerk voting at me when something ticks wrong, because to you everything I do ticks you wrong somehow.

And yes this is manipulation. I need to convince you I'm town because well I'M TOWN.

So jsut... gahhh

why did you keep it to yourself for like, the first 48 hours of the day?

One cause my job is hellish and I wanted to rest? Therapy for autistic children is exhausting.

And two, because you asked me not to flood the thread so I figured taking time would help my erratic posting be limited.

I didn't catch this
you made a big deal about not taking pine's fruit but I feel like this is equally as big of a deal as that and you would let people know about it sooner.

...

Well you are clearly wrong and dont know shit about me so what now

Like for one, I did bring up the fact I was playing by your rules multiple times

And for another why the fuck would I tall about my work its not like I can answer questions about it. I can tell you i work in thst field and its hard everything else is HIPPA protected.

Also why the fuck would I bring up my shitty stressful job apropos of nothing. I was fine having the extra time to chill.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What the fuck are you saying Fish.

I was protecting Masons both times. I only talked about thw Xof thing once I was pushed on it. My motices are clear both times.

And also i keep sayibg I wouldn't be pixked because I wasnt. You are corrext if I was picked I would also say this but the logic is sound and yohr logic that "she is trying not to be lynched must be scun" is really stupid. Town are self preservationists as well so

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Reck I can help you catch up
I want to get you up to speed
the main real thing that happened in this thread is LLD being pressured, thats the biggest, major event.
There was some people who were being pressured early, but the game exploded when LLD started to be pressured.
I quite frankly still think she's scum, and thats a good starting point

ok cool

LLD are you scum and if not why

Not scum and you can read the thread and my posts to see why tbh. No offense but talking to you directly wont do jack but repeat what I have already said and its better if you go in organically anyway. Feel free to ask direct questions though

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Reck I can help you catch up
I want to get you up to speed
the main real thing that happened in this thread is LLD being pressured, thats the biggest, major event.
There was some people who were being pressured early, but the game exploded when LLD started to be pressured.
I quite frankly still think she's scum, and thats a good starting point

So tired of this and you. Literally anyone else in my slot doing what i am doing would not elicit this from you you know? This is strictly personal and you have made it clear as such through what you have written and how you have treated this game as your own personal little power trip.

So thats fine but like I have reached my limit of taking your bullshit so.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like regardless of my alignment

If I am town or scum

Outside of the game as an entity

The way you have approached this game, using an out of game request to curtail others into playing how you asked while you do exactly what you told them not to up to and including being super emptionally manipulative at me wrt your family and upbringing is just digusting and I have reached my limit.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What the fuck are you saying Fish.

I was protecting Masons both times. I only talked about thw Xof thing once I was pushed on it. My motices are clear both times.

And also i keep sayibg I wouldn't be pixked because I wasnt. You are corrext if I was picked I would also say this but the logic is sound and yohr logic that "she is trying not to be lynched must be scun" is really stupid. Town are self preservationists as well so

Im saying that you came out the gate swinging at xof and Ali hard defended her multiple times and you kept going at it, and then said you were trying to figure out if xof was a mason without asking which was really obvious, and then you tell her to protect her masons at all cost.

This is not a hard train of thought to follow and im getting tired of the fact that you dont seem able to have an emotionless conversation and are relying very heavily on ate and then claiming that people are stopping you from doing stuff.

Post how you wanna post if its an issue. Push who you wanna push if its an issue. Stop making excuses and being toxic in the thread.

I am telling you my train of thought was the same both times.

And guess what, life and mafia are a game that involves emotions. Do what you want but don't tell me I am being toxic for... Lets see calling your logic stupid? Is that about it?

Fun fact. People got warned earlier this game. Explicitly I was told by the mod I wasn't included in one of them cause I didnt say shit and have continued to not do that. I have spoken my mind and heart and if you wanna play robot mafia thats chill but its not how I play so

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD pls calm down, Ali is not trying to make the game miserable for you. E wants you to enjoy yourself here.

Yeah forgive me if I don't have any faith in that.

Also I'm p. Calm as far as things go, so. I'd appreciate not being told to calm down thanks

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't think that LLD is scum, I legitimately don't. Yes she is a force of goddamn nature who will do anything and everything to further her own win condition, but I think she's on our side. Her reactions to everything don't read to me like a caught scumLLD, but a genuinely frustrated and upset LLD who is feeling attacked and with only so much she can actually do to defend herself. I don't know anything about the role she's actually claimed, and it's possible that's a lie, but her behaviour just doesn't have the underlying feel to it when she's lying and manipulating to get one over on you.

like
this
really feels like scum defending scum

If you think this is xof defending lld then we should lynch xof first imo

no because that commuter claim isn't town
if you want to give town!LLD something with protection, you give her what mastina claimed, a BP vig.
full commuter isn't useful for town!LLD.

Yes it fucking is. Its literally kill immunity. What makes you think Jingle chooses what roles are given exactly? They choose the people but not what roles right?

Like ffs Ali the fact is I am town and my role is commuter. It is simple as that.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am telling you my train of thought was the same both times.

And guess what, life and mafia are a game that involves emotions. Do what you want but don't tell me I am being toxic for... Lets see calling your logic stupid? Is that about it?

Fun fact. People got warned earlier this game. Explicitly I was told by the mod I wasn't included in one of them cause I didnt say shit and have continued to not do that. I have spoken my mind and heart and if you wanna play robot mafia thats chill but its not how I play so

Your train of thought was that the first thing you needed to do was mason hunt xof?

And i dont give a shit what you say to me because i dont have any connection to you, so its not being toxic to me, its the way you have acted almost the entire time you have been posting like you are some kind of victim here when you are the creator of your own situation, this is the bed you made and are now pissy about lying in it.

I dont want you to be a robot, and thats a nice mis rep, what I want from you is the ability to talk about this like a game, which it fucking is. I know we get heated and say some shit, ive been guilty of this myself many times. You however are stuck in 6th gear and are running down the highway towards a thelma and louise sytle ending.

You can take your foot of the gas and we can talk, or you can kick brad pitt out of the car and floor that fucker.

Your choice.

The fuck is your major malfunction.

Are you trying to intentionally misinterpret me?

In both cases my mindset was to protect masons from being found while still hunting for scum.

In order to do this, when Ali says someone is town with no real reason I need to question it but do so carefully.

So I asked what I did to protect masons from being accidentally lynched while persuing my reads. Then Ali responded and I backed off

600 posts later when asked by Ali about my manipulation of a form in that post I explained my motivations because i was no lomger in a position to hide them. I needed to be upfront.

Then I warned Ali about her post because it qas risky.

If I was really mason hunting I would just do it in my scum qt dude.

Finally threatenibg me will never disuade me. I don't care if you are threatening to lynch me you were already doing that. Either you will or you wont.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Full Commuter sounds amazing for scum!Lexi tho

So why does scum!Lexi claim it?

Or do you think scum!Lexi is a moron

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Alright, im done trying to talk to you. You keep doing you, i wish you well in future games and life in general.

VOTE: LLD

You keep being a condescending ray of sunshine too yeah?

Ride that high horse right into the sunset.

I answered your question with my full thoughts, for the third time, so I dont know what else you want.

Clearly you want me to be someone I am not, or perhaps you just like to tone police people?

That seems to fit tbh. Tone policing language and how people talk fits the condescending shit.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Honestly Mastin is right. Should just lynch me so when I flip town the spell is broken and you all can get back to doing real shit.

Or maybe you will just congratulate yourselves for it or something who knows

[Lady Lambdadelta]

No Lexi you're not a moron, I just wished you claimed your commuter earlier

@Chickadee xof is rational but I think her latest post is really telling.
"On our side"
"its a possible lie"
that stuff just feels off and the whole read just feels safe.
I really just, don't like it.

Why would I claim it when I can play aggro draw a kill and laugh?

Obviously now if I live I am never using it it is way better to be a vt open to cop checks and killable than not. If i become clear then sweet second inno child.

But my logic for not claiming is fine, and i dont know why you prefer otherwise

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You know, I am sure you think you are clever and a good person but if anyone is being toxic at this very moment it's you.

At leasy have the guts to own the fact you are insulting anf ridiculing me. Don't hide behind some mask of being a halfway decent person.

Like holy fuck if you are just gonna take pot h
Shots like this you are a spineless jerk.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Part of me feels like if I don't comment on the LLD thing and she flips scum people will ask why I didn't talk about it. Yet I don't really care enough to try and comment on it at the same time. Hm, the choices.

Just vote me if you think I am scum and vote someone else if yoy dont it isnt hard chelsea lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This goes into another level of 'I think scum LLD would know we'd come to this answer' but occam's razor. I'll give her ISO a quick check.

She doesn't because she thought role distro was random as stated in a recent post.


It can be viewed as a slot that slipped at this point really

...

If I thought role distro was random wouldnnt that spew me town?

Since pine would tell his scum when and how he gave roles while Jingle cant?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You know, I am sure you think you are clever and a good person but if anyone is being toxic at this very moment it's you.

At leasy have the guts to own the fact you are insulting anf ridiculing me. Don't hide behind some mask of being a halfway decent person.

Like holy fuck if you are just gonna take pot h
Shots like this you are a spineless jerk.

This one literally had nothing to do with you. Glad to know you are just on tilt and anything that seems like it might be derogatory towards you you are just going to assume it is, so again no need to talk to you because all you see is red right now.

Youre funny though, thinking that i care enough about you to keep it up after the first one where i quoted you, notice you didnt say anything about that one. is that because it was obvious in that one and then you felt triggered?

Good to know you are the kind of jerk who uses triggered this way. Kinda confirms my biases more.

And yeah, I didn't respond to the first one because while you were a dick you at least were honest about it.

But honestly you are kind of just schrodingers dbag cause I dont see what else that post goes too. That said, I suppose i should give you the benefit of the doubt.

Still the kind of person who unironically uses triggered in a non medical verbage to describe when people get upset, so lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This goes into another level of 'I think scum LLD would know we'd come to this answer' but occam's razor. I'll give her ISO a quick check.

She doesn't because she thought role distro was random as stated in a recent post.


It can be viewed as a slot that slipped at this point really

...

If I thought role distro was random wouldnnt that spew me town?

Since pine would tell his scum when and how he gave roles while Jingle cant?

Answer this please

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Answer this please

Wowzers, I only get to post 0 times without responding to you, jjh you used up all my strikes!

I have to concede there's some equity in scum being more aware of how roles were distributed. It's possible it just didn't come up. Pine distribution of roles doesn't directly imply Jingle distribution of roles. The symmetry would be Ali distributing roles amongst her masons.
But if there's for instance a rolecop or roleblocker in the PT and people are looking down the road, there's possibly some discussions like, Yosarian is probably not a role, Jingle would give Yosarian VT. Let's not rolecop Yosarian tonight even though all his reads are right.


Why was this important to you? Am I really likely to sway others, I feel incredibly unpersuasive this game. And I'm waffling like an eggo, so it seems unlikely I'm the swing state you'd need to convince to avoid being lynched today.

I asked because you are wrong and I did know and have mentioned as much before, but your alignment on my flip depends a lot on this interaction so

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also pops even if I was targetting you for a vote why would that be svummy. Again self preservation is townie as well as scum motivation

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also pops even if I was targetting you for a vote why would that be svummy. Again self preservation is townie as well as scum motivation

I didn't ask you the question to imply you were being scummy.

I was genuinely interested in the answer and appreciate it.

Honestly only reason I am not talking to you much is because i dont town read you and i think trying tk get you to vote for someone else is an exercise in futility.

I enjoy your presence and we will have to play a more fun game some other time. Rose mafia was fun... Mostly.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like IMO the 6 scum probably look something like...

Xof
JJH
Pops
One and only one of ank/Chen
One and only one of Pink Ball and Kraft
And one and only one of Maria and Katsuki.

Based on drafting expectations and play so far. Listed in order of confidence

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Kraft lmao

Krazy* sorry

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Karma.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

idk alisae

I feel like at this point it should be obvious to people that have a decent amount of exposure to both my towngame and my scumgame should be able to tell that I'm not scum

I would echo this but apparently this will never ever be true tho

Just wish that for the one game in a blue moon where I get to be town cause people aint drafting me

People would listen and chill on that LLD shit.

Like damn I aint even won a scummy some people have lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I mean if you give me one day to prove I'm town by choosing the lynch.

Literally, if I ever lynch town, just lynch me.

I can't stop that, I'm seriously down to be leashed like that and win you fuckers this game.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Regardless, that is fucking enty of time tk get another wagon up to a lynch, and Ali has already backed at least 5 names, including having a Vig list!

Im not sure if i love this.

My view is this, if we are just going to eventually lynch lld because there is no way to clear her (scum could have a way to fuck with anything we try to do with her anyway), then we should lynch her today because wagoning another person has a chance to also out a pr if lld is telling the truth, or allows scum to slip by a lynch and then we l=mislynch the next wagon becase it gets close to deadline and well, we didnt do lld before, i suppose we do x now...

I mean it gives me a chance to actually affect the game with my reads, as opposed to just mislynching me.

I accept I need to die this game, and early. So let me lynch until I hit town. If you think I'm scum and I'm lynching scum, you'll still lynch me later. Let me bus yeah?

Why not?

I'm town though, so just let me lynch scum but it's literally win win lol.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

seriously there is zero downside to leashing me. I asked this earlier, but if you're gonna BoP me, give me a shot to prove my fucking alignment.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like I'm willing to try and have been trying even with how much I hate this game right now, lol.

It's not like I'm gonna leave time completely empty.

But it's way better if you let me hang myself. At least that way I'll be listened to instead of ignored once I die lol.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And LLD Should Not Be Lynched

Can you give a reason other than you dont think she is scum?

?!?!?!?!

AS IF HE NEEDS ANOTHER REASON WHAT

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I would choose Xof if given the power to execute someone right now.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Seriously, let me lynch Xof, see who dies tonight, let me reeval and lynch another fucking scum, and just keep going until I hit town.

Then instantly you can shoot me at night with Mastin or lynch me next day. I will not commute ever because it's not worth it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

seriously there is zero downside to leashing me. I asked this earlier, but if you're gonna BoP me, give me a shot to prove my fucking alignment.

Giving you a shot doesn't prove your alignment though.

What kind of fallacy is that?

And LLD Should Be Lynched

What's the worst case scenario?

I lynch one townie you don't trust ANYWAY and then I get lynched?

Best case I lynch a bunch of scum or if I am scum I bus to try and escape my fate?

Why not?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

hyper beam can OHKO a pichu any time of the week
LLD needs to go tho

Give me a good reason not to leash me for a lynch, if you actually respect me remotely.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And LLD Should Not Be Lynched

Can you give a reason other than you dont think she is scum?

?!?!?!?!

AS IF HE NEEDS ANOTHER REASON WHAT

I mean considering he is just asking us to trust him, yeah, im looking for a reason to say you are town, and not to just say that if you are town you are good for us.

That is... not worded how you think it is. It sounds like you're asking him to give another reason (beyond me being town) to not lynch me.

As if you would still lynch me if I was town.

Which frankly y'all have already kind of admitted to doing so like

whatever lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't really see a scum LLD in her ISO. Most of the votes on her seem to come from the fact full commuter is probably a scum claim. But if LLD really is this great 'force of nature', wouldn't she know that claim would hurt her in the long run rather then help? I see a lot of talk and respect towards LLD for being this mastermind-like player, but I don't buy that she would claim something compromising like that, then.

However, letting LLD live now would probably only cause more distraction on D2. It's a good information flip because if this flips town then there's guaranteed scum in the LLD pushers. I can imagine those trees shaking through there roots knowing there's a possible unkilleable LLD out there lol

vote it

You know, this game being an invitational and all, the fact you did what you did this game should weigh on you for a while I think.

Cause what you're doing now is like, peak levels of what you asked others not to do

and if this was done to you, you'd break down like you did in that other game.

So I dunno if I have any sympathy left for you, lol.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

hyper beam can OHKO a pichu any time of the week
LLD needs to go tho

Give me a good reason not to leash me for a lynch, if you actually respect me remotely.

Lexi, it breaks my heart to say this
but I'm not going to leash you
with how this D1 went, if you're around for longer, you're just going be a constat topic thats brought up over and over again
kinda just wanna get it out of the way now

also that gives you time to change other people's minds and make you a harder force.
I don't really feel like giving you that time.

I'm literally promising to self vote and say no words for the entire day if I'm wrong.

I will make one post voting myself with no other words and sink quietly into the night.

You're not paranoid about me getting out of my situation this is just petty.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

People don't need to obey Alisae btw.

You can think for yourselves.


Leashing me for one day makes the most sense here.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't really see a scum LLD in her ISO. Most of the votes on her seem to come from the fact full commuter is probably a scum claim. But if LLD really is this great 'force of nature', wouldn't she know that claim would hurt her in the long run rather then help? I see a lot of talk and respect towards LLD for being this mastermind-like player, but I don't buy that she would claim something compromising like that, then.

However, letting LLD live now would probably only cause more distraction on D2. It's a good information flip because if this flips town then there's guaranteed scum in the LLD pushers. I can imagine those trees shaking through there roots knowing there's a possible unkilleable LLD out there lol

vote it

You know, this game being an invitational and all, the fact you did what you did this game should weigh on you for a while I think.

Cause what you're doing now is like, peak levels of what you asked others not to do

and if this was done to you, you'd break down like you did in that other game.

So I dunno if I have any sympathy left for you, lol.

You have ARI hard defending you
I have never seen Ari hard defend someone so much
This doesn't even seem in character for town!Ari

that makes me VERY interested in seeing what you flip.

You're gonna find out either way.

You're literally just saying "you don't get to play the game because your role assignment was shit and Ari is weird."

It's fucked.

There's lliterally zero risk to leashing me because if I do anything but vote myself and die I'm a proven liar and people will lynch that.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Let me fucking lynch some scum and try and have some gd fun in this gd game christ.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't really see a scum LLD in her ISO. Most of the votes on her seem to come from the fact full commuter is probably a scum claim. But if LLD really is this great 'force of nature', wouldn't she know that claim would hurt her in the long run rather then help? I see a lot of talk and respect towards LLD for being this mastermind-like player, but I don't buy that she would claim something compromising like that, then.

However, letting LLD live now would probably only cause more distraction on D2. It's a good information flip because if this flips town then there's guaranteed scum in the LLD pushers. I can imagine those trees shaking through there roots knowing there's a possible unkilleable LLD out there lol

vote it

But chennis is actually scum

so is LLD

Also, I'm not but that's besides the point.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't really see a scum LLD in her ISO. Most of the votes on her seem to come from the fact full commuter is probably a scum claim. But if LLD really is this great 'force of nature', wouldn't she know that claim would hurt her in the long run rather then help? I see a lot of talk and respect towards LLD for being this mastermind-like player, but I don't buy that she would claim something compromising like that, then.

However, letting LLD live now would probably only cause more distraction on D2. It's a good information flip because if this flips town then there's guaranteed scum in the LLD pushers. I can imagine those trees shaking through there roots knowing there's a possible unkilleable LLD out there lol

vote it

But chennis is actually scum

Iconeum you are a kindred spirit

If you agree, don't vote me.

You can make a difference.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ur in flailing mode rn. Got to stop flailing if u want to get this shit wagon of u

And what do you advise.

Cause honestly I'm willing to do anything to have chance to actually play this game and make a meaningful fucking contribution.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

relax and hunt scum. This wagon is only get to get worse with how ur reacting to it.

I mean I'm at l-1 aren't I?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And LLD Should Not Be Lynched

Can you give a reason other than you dont think she is scum?

We're literally lynching her because of her role, which is hugely helpful if true, and not on her play. The wagon started because she was asked to hold back her rage, which by the way she is doing fantastically, and that set her tone slightly awry, as it would. Every push afterwards has been based on role not play, and the doubling down from a lot of the players here has been really shitty.

LLD will show us she is town if she is. I am firmly in that camp. And she has done nothing scummy. She is a huge player and top guality at this! We are throwing away a great thing by doing this!

And LLD Should Not Be Lynched

She has consistently avoided talking to me directly about her play around xof and Ali from the start of her posting.

The idea that she was mason hunting in an obvious way and then she does a 180 and tells Ali to protect her masons no matter what is bonkers.

But i just get brushed aside and discounted without being taken seriously at all and actually addressing the issue i brought up.[/quote]

This is strictly false, and I have explained it.

You just refuse to read it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

How about I quote it every time you bring it up

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also Fire I have 6 scum.

I know who the scum are more or less. Everyone else is some flavour of town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like IMO the 6 scum probably look something like...

Xof
JJH
Pops
One and only one of ank/Chen
One and only one of Pink Ball and Kraft
And one and only one of Maria and Katsuki.

Based on drafting expectations and play so far. Listed in order of confidence

[Lady Lambdadelta]

idgi how u townread greyice.

cause he's town and I'm not interested in pretending he's scum (even though as I have mentioned in the past it would have been better for my survival).

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The worst part is I think Pops is scum and he's the only one I can fkn talk to who understands lmfao

my life is suffering

[Lady Lambdadelta]

idgi how u townread greyice.

cause he's town and I'm not interested in pretending he's scum (even though as I have mentioned in the past it would have been better for my survival).

u keep saying that and I don't see what about his push on u is townie vs scummy. This looks about as fake as possible to me.

That's cause you're not married to him.

He does this to me all the time. It's identical to how he has come at me and shouted me down into a position of no value or credit in games in person before.

It happens way too often and I hate it and sometimes it makes me literally cry but I mean with how often I roll scum it's not exactly a bad strategy.

It just sucks when I'm actually town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm literally promising to self vote and say no words for the entire day if I'm wrong.

I will make one post voting myself with no other words and sink quietly into the night.

You're not paranoid about me getting out of my situation this is just petty.

You've promised this before. As town. As scum. Regardless of alignment this is always a lie.

This is naked survivalism. I commend it, but it is time to end this.

It's actually not a lie because I've never promised to post a vote and leave the thread before. I've promised to lynch myself and then talked people out of it. How am I gonna get out of it when I can't talk or I'll die lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like IMO the 6 scum probably look something like...

Xof
JJH
Pops
One and only one of ank/Chen
One and only one of Pink Ball and Kraft
And one and only one of Maria and Katsuki.

Based on drafting expectations and play so far. Listed in order of confidence

Thoughts on gamma and the worst?

Gamma town as hell.

Worst is kind of weird and middling.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The worst part is I think Pops is scum and he's the only one I can fkn talk to who understands lmfao

my life is suffering

wait why are you scumreading pops?

Gut, mostly. It's just there and it won't go and he's too cheeky and nope scum scum scum

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Setup Specific Information

This game features non random Role Distribution. I chose who would be town power roles (With the exception of the masonry), ostensibly to give town the best chance possible.

(I was more concerned about fun. Deal with it.)

On role distro Jingle did not townside or scumside he funsided

giving LLD a full commuter isn’t funsiding

hell yes it is lol

how much fun do you think Jingle is having watching me squirm with a commuter claim.

Do you know how many times I have FAKE CLAIMED commuter as scum?

Like tens.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It's actually not a lie because I've never promised to post a vote and leave the thread before. I've promised to lynch myself and then talked people out of it. How am I gonna get out of it when I can't talk or I'll die lol

I really don't care to get into the weeds of past games and the various promises made.
Or the fact you are literally recycling the "my husband made me cry" tactic from the Dead of Winter game where you were a traitor
Because I know you're scum
You know I know you're scum
This is just playing to the crowd, who hasn't been there, and hasn't seen it, and don't know that this is exactly the scum pattern

And I'm playing to them too. I will carry water as long as I need to to see this happen.

You know good and goddamned well I've done this as town too.

Death Note mafia in Chicago.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The problem Keith is I am town and this fucking sucks.

I'd like to play the game.

We've been in the reverse of this situation before. I didn't listen to you then. You got pissy.

Will you listen to me now or am I just deaf ears etc etc

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The problem Keith is I am town and this fucking sucks.

I'd like to play the game.

We've been in the reverse of this situation before. I didn't listen to you then. You got pissy.

Will you listen to me now or am I just deaf ears etc etc

Cause next time I won't make the choice to follow my town read on you.

It's like, every game since you yelled at me for always lynching you as town when I'm town.

And I've started hard evaluating you and ignoring my paranoia.

You've just called me scum day 1 to fill the void.

So this is ultra annoying to me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Keith I'm begging you to let me have a chance to prove myself as useful.

Cause I know I have to die either way. It's not to prove myself as town.

Just to lynch scum.

Cause you can promise me all you want you'll listen to my reads when I'm dead but that's a gd lie.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The problem Keith is I am town and this fucking sucks.

I'd like to play the game.

We've been in the reverse of this situation before. I didn't listen to you then. You got pissy.

Will you listen to me now or am I just deaf ears etc etc

Cause next time I won't make the choice to follow my town read on you.

It's like, every game since you yelled at me for always lynching you as town when I'm town.

And I've started hard evaluating you and ignoring my paranoia.

You've just called me scum day 1 to fill the void.

So this is ultra annoying to me.

u know if Ice is actually town, begging for him to townread u isn't gonna get u a townread.

I mean come on LLD. Where is the cocky girl who shouted at me for being a shit player, u begging to get townread is just sad to see.

Yelling at my husband isn't what this town needs.

Unless you want 20 pages of nothing.

Cause it can exist.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The problem Keith is I am town and this fucking sucks.

I'd like to play the game.

We've been in the reverse of this situation before. I didn't listen to you then. You got pissy.

Will you listen to me now or am I just deaf ears etc etc

Cause next time I won't make the choice to follow my town read on you.

It's like, every game since you yelled at me for always lynching you as town when I'm town.

And I've started hard evaluating you and ignoring my paranoia.

You've just called me scum day 1 to fill the void.

So this is ultra annoying to me.

u know if Ice is actually town, begging for him to townread u isn't gonna get u a townread.

I mean come on LLD. Where is the cocky girl who shouted at me for being a shit player, u begging to get townread is just sad to see.

Fire
Can you turn your brain on for like 1min and try and think about what you’re saying and why you have to say what you’re saying

yet again

super tired of being scumread because I'm not "angry hellcat LLD" everygame.

Or should I call you all wastes of oxygen who can't fucking rub your two gd braincells together long enough to fucking understand my alignemtn

does that make you happy? do you want me to pop off?

I'm fucking controlling myself MOSTLY FOR YOU you piece of shit.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yelling at my husband isn't what this town needs.
Unless you want 20 pages of nothing.
Cause it can exist.

the choices aren't just "yell at him" or "beg him"

Well the third one is ignore him because I tried convincing him about.... 30 pages ago and he shut me down at every turn, leading to me claiming.

So I'm not sure what you want. I've tried working WITH him, convincing him, showing him who the real scum are and defending myself.

So I'm out of fkn options. He don't want none, he's literally got the blinders on.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

like you want why they are scum?

Here.

Xof is scum because she is setting herself up to look good when I flip town and entered the game in a very scum motivated way that I laid out in detail in my opening post. Xof has an agenda and it's being pushed with this lynch even without her on it. This smells like a setup and I know Pine told her to stay off for this reason.

JJH is scum because his votes have no purpose beyond testing the waters for easy lynches and his words are empty and hollow, he fabricates reads. His explinations are made up post facto for his votes.

Pops is scum because gut sorry I ain't got none for you. Just twists in my stomach and I know it to be true. Next 3 in next post.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The problem Keith is I am town and this fucking sucks.

I'd like to play the game.

We've been in the reverse of this situation before. I didn't listen to you then. You got pissy.

Will you listen to me now or am I just deaf ears etc etc

Cause next time I won't make the choice to follow my town read on you.

It's like, every game since you yelled at me for always lynching you as town when I'm town.

And I've started hard evaluating you and ignoring my paranoia.

You've just called me scum day 1 to fill the void.

So this is ultra annoying to me.

u know if Ice is actually town, begging for him to townread u isn't gonna get u a townread.

I mean come on LLD. Where is the cocky girl who shouted at me for being a shit player, u begging to get townread is just sad to see.

Fire
Can you turn your brain on for like 1min and try and think about what you’re saying and why you have to say what you’re saying

yet again

super tired of being scumread because I'm not "angry hellcat LLD" everygame.

Or should I call you all wastes of oxygen who can't fucking rub your two gd braincells together long enough to fucking understand my alignemtn

does that make you happy? do you want me to pop off?

I'm fucking controlling myself MOSTLY FOR YOU you piece of shit.

lexi its a game

Don't invite people to a game then literally angle shoot (and toe the line of site rules) by telling people how to play pre-game and have people obey you, then ABUSE that to gain advantage.

And then tell me "just a game lul"

Even if I'm scum I want you to know that is dirty shit and I thought you were above that and apparently you fucking aren't so.

No respect.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Even if I'm scum I want you to know that is dirty shit and I thought you were above that and apparently you fucking aren't so.

I should be asleep

but um

is this a scum claim

No, it's speaking from her perspective.

As in.

"Even if I'm scum (like you think I am) it's still shitty"

Because she's not gonna believe I'm town so

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ya know when someone said "hey Ali, telling us not to think for ourselves and assuming dominance is kinda shitty"? (Honestly forget who, feels like a lifetime ago.)

THAT LLD ARI

LLD also made a comment alluding to the fact that she thinks that the only reason people are voting her at all is because we are sheeping Ali, which is a big mis rep

That's... not true?

How the fuck can this dude just lie and like people believe it

Ali is a big reason I'm being lynched because she's confirmed town.

It's not the only reason.

These are not exclusive.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

People don't need to obey Alisae btw.

You can think for yourselves.


Leashing me for one day makes the most sense here.

This is where you accuse people of being sheep to Alis whistle

It's where I respond to Alisae's increasing pressure telling people to just vote me and end the day before X pages with "people don't need to obey Alisae, you can think for yourselves".

It's almost like actions have reactions and I have motivations for mine!

It's not the only reason people are voting me.

But it is one.

So i'm telling people they can ignore that one and consider other options.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

People don't need to obey Alisae btw.

You can think for yourselves.


Leashing me for one day makes the most sense here.

This is where you accuse people of being sheep to Alis whistle

It's where I respond to Alisae's increasing pressure telling people to just vote me and end the day before X pages with "people don't need to obey Alisae, you can think for yourselves".

It's almost like actions have reactions and I have motivations for mine!

It's not the only reason people are voting me.

But it is one.

So i'm telling people they can ignore that one and consider other options.

Funny how I can pull up a thing for what you accused me of lying about to support what I thought. Guess its hard to keep track when youre scum flailing trying whatever ate bullshit you can to stay alive.

You did lie tho.

I suppose not a lie, a misrepresentation.

My apologies for the wrong word.

Speaking of wrong words

That's not what ATE means you idiot.

None of this is an appeal to emotion. lmfao

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like, fucks sakes my words are consistent post to post. I even said the same fucking line twice.

But you don't give a shit.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, like you disregard some peoples reads on you because they made it personal.

I dont know you well enough for this to be a personal thing.

This is just a game thing and you already said you dont see me as scum, but you are being super resistant to working with me in any form at all.

Why the fuck would I work with someone who pisses me off and thinks I'm scum

What are we gonna work on

I offered a deal to the whole town. Let me live and let me choose a lynch and you can hang me if I'm wrong, the first time I'm wrong.

You think I'm goonna turn around and choose fucking you or Grey? That's not how this works. I'm choosing something that actually is scum (and you need to still convince people obviously).

I made as much offer to work with you as I can really afford without just like, agreeing to lynch myself.

You wanna work with me, show me you want to and actually consider my scum reads. Or tell me why they are wrong

[Lady Lambdadelta]

like you want why they are scum?

Here.

Xof is scum because she is setting herself up to look good when I flip town and entered the game in a very scum motivated way that I laid out in detail in my opening post. Xof has an agenda and it's being pushed with this lynch even without her on it. This smells like a setup and I know Pine told her to stay off for this reason.

JJH is scum because his votes have no purpose beyond testing the waters for easy lynches and his words are empty and hollow, he fabricates reads. His explinations are made up post facto for his votes.

Pops is scum because gut sorry I ain't got none for you. Just twists in my stomach and I know it to be true.

Next 3 in next post

.

Did the big thing ever happen? I couldnt find your second post

er no I got distracted

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So far in that post I would be ok with xof after ali abandoned her, but disagree on pops and JJH.

Was gonna write tonight, got super sleepy. here is what I have shortform

Basically, between Ank and Chen I think Chen is more likely. (Chen has a ton of bad posts I need to outline, so does Ank but Chen is more draftable and fits the team I imagine better)

Between Pink and Krazy I think Pink is more likely (more actively lurking and more active inaction, where as Krazy kind of is being more flowy. I feel like scum would seek to control or be directed by Pine here)

Between Maria and Katsuki, I think Maria. Kats resembles his town patterning a bit TOO much despite how he normally is, while Maria's interaction with Ali wrt her mental progression on voting me felt super staged and fake, like she was poked about it and came around too easily, too quickly.

So Maria Pink Chen are my other 3

can expand later

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That is a hard fuckin\ Lie Ali what the fuck

[Lady Lambdadelta]

you're an actual piece of shit

that you need to hard fuckin lie

like that

to fuckin lynch me

[Lady Lambdadelta]

erf;asdhjzuipsfkldsdfoj'l'ksfd'sfd
iasd'dsfi'sdfnl

[Lady Lambdadelta]

NEWS AT FIVE MY ROLE PM SAYS ALISAE IS A PIECE OF GARBAGE

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Maybe maybe not

What isn’t a lie is that PEOPLE DON’T PUT FULL COMMUTERS IN GAMES
PEOPLE DON’T EVEN PUT COMMUTERS IN GAMES

I’m pretty sure there are statistics for this as well.

MY

ROLE

PM

SAYS

OTHERWISE.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Maybe maybe not

What isn’t a lie is that PEOPLE DON’T PUT FULL COMMUTERS IN GAMES
PEOPLE DON’T EVEN PUT COMMUTERS IN GAMES

I’m pretty sure there are statistics for this as well.

THIS
IS
AN
OUTRIGHT
ADMISSION
OF
BEING
A
SCUMBAG

TITUS FUCKING VOTE XOF WITH ME YEAH?

Vote: Xof

no one wants fucking JJH so whatever

but I'll be damned if I let Ali LITERAL ACTUAL LIE

as literal actual confirmed town

to lynch me

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ali this is like fucking faking a cop guilty on someone.

On top of the other garbage you've pulled.

Like what the fuck

[Lady Lambdadelta]

in a motherfuckibng invitational game

a game I accepted an INVITE TO

predicated on some kind of fucking friendship

you decide to hard angleshoot into FAKING AGUILTY ON ME

that doesn't keep you up at night?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

O wait
People do put commuters in games

But seriously
A full ungated commuter?

WHY

DO

YOU

THINK

I

THOUGHT

MY

CLAIM

WAS

NUCLEAR MODE.

I SAID IT

BEFORE I CLAIMED IT.

I FIGURED YOU WOULD KNOW THAT

DESPITE ALL THESE IDIOTIC REFUGE IN ABSURDITY ARGUMENTS

THERE IS JUST NO WAY THIS GOES TO SCUM

IT'S A WEIRD AF TOWN ROLE BUT IT'S WHAT I GOT HENCE CLAIM.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

YOU KNOW WHAT MY FAKE CLAIM THIS GAME WOULD HAVE BEEN?

PT COP. A COP WHO CAN SEE IF YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO TALK TO PEOPLE OUTSIDE THREAD.

SUPER BALANCED, ACCIDENTALLY FALSE POSITIVES ON MASON. GOTTA BE SCARED.

FCKN COMMUTER? REAL!?!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

also seriously if someone claims that later on please give them one day to produce results, then lynch the fuck out of them

that was gonna be my pet scum fake claim cause it's just so believable

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I hate you.

I hate you with a passion of a thousand burning suns.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah.

Oh.

You invite me into this game to angleshoot at me, do exactly what you told me not to do when angleshooting, then more or less try and turbo lynch me

all of which is super frustrating and uncool but sure fine whatever maybe I'll get over it. It's mafia. I despise angleshooting but maybe you didn't know better.

but then you literally fake guilty me.

unreal. unacceptable.

even if you think I am scum.

even if I was scum.

it would be the most underhanded low down tactic

to say

you as a treestump have

personal inside game knowledge (again more angleshooting)

that my claim has to be false

when I know for a fact it can't be because my role pm fucking says that's a lie.

so... yeah. sickening. unconscionable.

to want to lynch me so bad that you'd go to that level.

to try and lie about game mechanics in a way that players would believe you

what the fuck

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You’re right
I don’t really know how I can deal with myself as a person now, i feel just, bad
I feel like this isn’t just a game anymore and that its become too personal to the point where I just can’t take it anymore

Sorry

Please stop with the self pity.

Because right now I can't even tell if you're doing this in genuine remorse or as another angleshoot to try and garner sympathy for a wagon.

That's what you've done here. I'm not angry, I'm not enraged I'm not yelling and I'm not insulting you.

You've literally convinced me that this could just be crocodile tears.

When all I want is to tell you it'll be fine.

That's concerning.

I don't know what length you would go to for this game.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You’re right
I don’t really know how I can deal with myself as a person now, i feel just, bad
I feel like this isn’t just a game anymore and that its become too personal to the point where I just can’t take it anymore

Sorry

Please stop with the self pity.

Because right now I can't even tell if you're doing this in genuine remorse or as another angleshoot to try and garner sympathy for a wagon.

That's what you've done here. I'm not angry, I'm not enraged I'm not yelling and I'm not insulting you.

You've literally convinced me that this could just be crocodile tears.

When all I want is to tell you it'll be fine.

That's concerning.

I don't know what length you would go to for this game.

It come across as yelling
It comes across as friendship ruining
I come across as a jerk

You make it so hard to make me not think its any of those and that its not a personal attack.
Like its not a personal attack, you just make it seem like it is

Unreal.

No words, just none.

I'm actually lost for words.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I would lynch Pink tbh

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Feel way more confident about Pink>Krazy

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Anyhow look
I’m not retracting
Its not fake

It is fake, you proved it is fake with your reaction and you are proving further that your apologies meant nothing and were like empty air.

Like.

You clearly have zero remorse.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Thanks Pine.

Signed sealed delivered yeah?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LMFAO and the fruit jockeying begins

This is actually really funny. Genuinely. First time I have been amused this game haha

[Lady Lambdadelta]

OH NO

Oh and one more thing.

I wasn't gonna say this because it felt like piling on when you were acting remorseful, but here is a fun anecdote.

This is the second game you have angleshot at me. First time I forgave it as maybe a mistake of emotion.

This time is a bit harder. Not the least of which because for someone so concerned with being manipulated, you sure seem to do a lot of it yourself. This whole interaction has been you doing exactly what you have done all game.

Cry wolf about things people supposedly do to you while doing them without remorse to others.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I was gonna go on a bit about how I'm kind of widely scumread so I don't know whether that's optimal

pops who is scumreading you
outside of LLD
because this sort of hyperconsciousness of scumreads when im not even seeing it
isn't actually a good look

:/

Art of War.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Scum are

Xof
JJH
Pops
Chen
Pink
Maria.

Side picks of Ann Katsuki or Krazy and also maybe one of the lurkers of I am wrong somewhere

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ank not Ann sorry phone sucks ass

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am run up because my husbamd has genuine belief I am scum and my claim is supposedly a problem despite being completely true so

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Whatever helps you sleep at night Ali.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I mean judt ignore her.

She is in a defensive mindset where she will justify literally anything anyway anyhow to not be at fault.

To not feel guilty.

Er words mean nothing and er apolgies mean even less.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Whatever helps you sleep at night Ali.

Unproductive and meaningless post. Keep attacking the tree stump, its a good look for you.

Dude can you fuck off with the mafia for a hot minute.

I don't care if my post is unproductive in terms of the game. I don't care if it makes me look scummy.

This is bigger than the game for me rn. You are already gonna lynch me given you said exactly 0 things about what i wrote to you last night

So mind just like, going away? You're right me attacking the confirmed town player isnt townie... Because it isnt game motivated.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD is at L-4 by my count.

You know I am self hammering if I am scum right.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This is lose lose for you either I am town or you dont get the power so

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I obviously meant when you asked me about the other 3 and I said i got distracted dude.

Sorry for the confusion.

Also keep being a jerk btw its a good look for you

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And if you arent posting game stuff, then consider me a ghost.

Im not going to be part of yalls hissy fits about game ethics while everyone is still alive.

If you don't wanna be a part of the discussion about game ethics and Alisae abusing her position.

Don't take a pot shot at me when I am talking about that.

Thanks in advance for future reference.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This is lose lose for you either I am town or you dont get the power so

Or my timezone and sleep schedule isn't exactly matched to yours?

It is 10 am.

I promise you this.

I will not sleep if I am scum to ensure I self hammer.

So.

Maybe consider other wait you are scum why am I arguing with scum ffs

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Maybe consider other wait you are scum why am I arguing with scum ffs

There is a difference in how you speak to people you have as town?

I would love to know what that looks like. Cause you have a scum team listed and im not on it, yet every time i interact with you it feels like i should be wrapping my hands, dipping them in sap and then glass and sprinkles before we go in for round 3.

Maybe because this game is frustrating and I dont feel like working with people.

Maybe cause I don't do the town buddy thing.

And maybe because I find you insufferable and you have been nothing but a passive aggressive jerk to me all game so why would I wanna work with you town or not

[Lady Lambdadelta]

To the limits of Pine's knowledge, of course, if there's a town ninja I wouldn't expect him to be able to answer that.

But to Pine's knowledge he's stated that every player he knows of that performs a night action on the target will be seen by that watcher.

I love you too honey.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I presume nothing

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also pettiness mission complete page 101

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am good to die now. This has dragged on. Eveb if you think i am town, either cote Xof or vote me. All other wagons are garbage.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

you have been nothing but a passive aggressive jerk to me all game so why would I wanna work with you town or not

Ditto.

You think im town though, so me thinking you are scum is something you would want to change as town.

No see the difference here is I have been upfront with my dislike of you and how you handle your business where as you hide it behind false plesantness and pot shots.

Anyway what makes you think anything designed specifically to change your mimd will make you. If my reads dont shake you and my motives dont either then what is the purpose.

Also this feels like you are just doing this to be superior so

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote count please

I do not self vote as town sorry

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also maybe I am petty Pops

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like I'm going to assume there's nothing fucking awful and bastard in them, like a neighborizor that poisons the person who takes it, or a watcher that causes town to lose the game. But I don't think it's beyond the scope of the game to hand out a watcher when the scum have a ninja. What Pine wrote seemed to confirm that the scum did not have a Ninja, what you wrote confirms that they do, which makes a watcher shot utterly worthless.

Hey hey calm down there Sun tzu

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like I'm going to assume there's nothing fucking awful and bastard in them, like a neighborizor that poisons the person who takes it, or a watcher that causes town to lose the game. But I don't think it's beyond the scope of the game to hand out a watcher when the scum have a ninja. What Pine wrote seemed to confirm that the scum did not have a Ninja, what you wrote confirms that they do, which makes a watcher shot utterly worthless.

Hey hey calm down there Sun tzu

Goddamn it, if they're going to make a mechanic of their game "we hand out fae bargains" I'm going to fucking lawyer those fae bargains for all they're worth.

I know and I love you so much for it.

I am just tessing you about everything.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Mostly that you are so concerned with lynching me you can't afford me courtesy~

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Honestly guys its not that I am scum

It is that two of my scum reads both badly want watcher fruit