Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition [FIN]

[RCEnigma]

Can't spell election without scandal and y'all looking soft right now.

[RCEnigma]

Eww, inclusion.

[RCEnigma]

Hey I've never misread Cyrus once. Which is one of my proudest mafia achievements.

[RCEnigma]

If you're scum sure.

[RCEnigma]

Jingle I'm interested in this anticult-slip thing.

[RCEnigma]

Rap God Gamma.

[RCEnigma]

So, jingle has taken my arbitrary day 1 town lock slot.

[RCEnigma]

EP do I....do I have to shoot you again?

[RCEnigma]

So, jingle has taken my arbitrary day 1 town lock slot.

Gross.

It's a political read.

[RCEnigma]

Jingle I'm interested in this anticult-slip thing.

Nah, still just 3d.

You did a dumb that cult you wouldn't have done. Sure, cult you might do the dumb for towncred.

People ignored it.

You then got self conscious over people ignoring it and went back to find out why people were ignoring it, and came up with an answer that cult you wouldn't have needed.

The second dumb, of thinking we (read here: at least me) were thinking you were asking about who the mod would target is almost certainly not faked, and thus you're almost certainly not cult.

Given the nature of the setup (multiple balls with confirmed cult) that means fuckall in the long run. But it does mean you are the worst lynch for D1 so far.

Congrats, you have a free pass to D2. When we probably powerlynch you for being an obvious cult recruit.

Ah... I think I'm taking back that townlock.

[RCEnigma]

Hydration #1

[RCEnigma]

Expecting cult to have some kind of funky mechanics since day 1 is going to open with a cult Q&A.

[RCEnigma]

He did say that votes didn't count until the election phase started. At least, that's what I remember reading. I do have a cold, so it could all just be a feverdream.

Am I in it?

[RCEnigma]

Back to back pagetops. I am a god and no one can stop me.

[RCEnigma]

You've won my vote in spirit Menalque.

[RCEnigma]

He did say that votes didn't count until the election phase started. At least, that's what I remember reading. I do have a cold, so it could all just be a feverdream.

Am I in it?

Considering it's been about this game why yes, yes you are.

UwU

[RCEnigma]

Probably deeper than that. I got the cult Q&A info in lieu of a role to cult interaction question.

[RCEnigma]

Errr doesn't leader typically die and not recruiter? Or are they the same thing.

[RCEnigma]

Hmm that might fit with the q&A tbh.

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I

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Have

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Wow my gif is broken

[RCEnigma]

Mod is including a cult Q&A in the day 1 opening post.

[RCEnigma]

Fuck shit up is my motto this game and I think you're down with that VOTE: Menalque

[RCEnigma]

Hey, you guys wanna do a fun thing?

not at all

RCEnigma is town because i can't think of a game he was scum in.

pfup

is he scum now

I was a mason lol.

[RCEnigma]

I've never been scum except the times mods misrolled me.

[RCEnigma]

I don't have the energy to fight off pockets. I'm hopping in.

[RCEnigma]

BTW: For all those nerds who think town governor is a good thing:

Use and Power

Town Governors are frequently seen as Negative Utility, as stopping the lynch denies a flip to the majority of the Town.

Their main use is in stopping the lynch at LyLo, hopefully catching quickhammering scum - but then, this is such a way of causing all of the living scum to out themselves that this tactic may be banned.

Mafia Governors are overpowered in normal circumstances for obvious reasons - they can delay the lynch of a scumpartner for a Day, getting the full benefits of having that partner alive for an extra Night. However, scum-side Governors only tend to appear in games where there are plenty of other ways to render someone dead aside from the lynch.

Town can put their big boy panties on and get culted.

[RCEnigma]

I was a mason lol.

Mason is a kind of scum.

Well I sure played it that way.

[RCEnigma]

town governor is a good thing:

I can fite u if u want. I disagree

It's okay; you're allowed to be wrong. I just have to prevent a majority from voting any individual player to get the obviously scum oriented power for what, 9 more days? In a game where there's a cult.

I'm....pretty ok with soft leashing cult.

[RCEnigma]

ohh theres cult in this game?

Nice. Please convert me n1 guys.

Convert me after.

[RCEnigma]

Yeah, but people will THINK I'm a likely cult recruit, so I get to die earlier than you. You're gonna join the cult and be here until next April, while I'm busy wrecking all your collective faces in team mafia.

Actual next level pro strats.

[RCEnigma]

good d2 lynches are
nero
fucking
cain

^ agree

Shhh... The sooner I get PL'd as a likely cult recruit the sooner I stop being the most active poster.

I Can Understand your Logic There. Respectfully, Even if we Can Reacrively lUnch you, I wouldn'T want to because rEasons, alRight?

I thought you were a duck.

[RCEnigma]

Bbmolla is acting scummy (for him)

nope, this is pretty standard bbmolla

I’ve played mafia with him in person and many times.

Obviously, it’s not a terribly reliable read given his what, ONE post? But it’s my first impression. This is kind of a bizarre response to it.

thats nice, your still wrong.

I could well be wrong.

Your response to it is what is interesting.

So it’s “standard” bbmolla? Why does “standard” bbmolla = town?

I’m perfectly aware he’s prone to goofing off as any alignment. Why, then, would you insist I’m “wrong” to say he is scummy?

I take it back... bbmolla is not scum with Firebringer, who is scum.

That's my pocketer you're calling scum.

If bbmolla rolls town more than scum than town!bbmolla would be the standard that you compare deviations to, no?

Bizarre is immensely strong verbiage to describe a pretty benign observation and response.

[RCEnigma]

why are there players voting elsewhere then No Gov?

unless ya'll wanna be recruited?

This man is catching on, recruit him.

[RCEnigma]

X - -
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[RCEnigma]

Wooper no D:

[RCEnigma]

@rce you just lost your game

Well I'm illiterate so naturally yes.

[RCEnigma]

Are we seriously playing tic tac toe in a 40 person game?

Why don't we all just post the alphabet individually one letter at a time? We could make this the longest and boringest game ever.

Nero reskinned.

[RCEnigma]

Maybe we'll play mafia when the game starts.

[RCEnigma]

Wooper I hope you're town. Cuz I like like you.

[RCEnigma]

[RCEnigma]

first u broke my internet

and now u break my heart

what r u gonna break next

Your legs.

[RCEnigma]

ya I'm vigging you

if enough people prefer I can shoot RCEnigma

see ya day 2 nerds

I approve. When I don't die, Vorkuta sends you to the gulag.

[RCEnigma]

I will ban this horrible practice

If you vote vorkuta for governor

Nvm Vorkuta cant be gov.

Thanksgiving for life son!

[RCEnigma]

You have to catch gobble first. And what of his family? Only 1 turkey is pardoned. How will he go on?

[RCEnigma]

In all seriousness we do need a debate between candidates before day 1.

[RCEnigma]

Menalque doesn't even have an election platform and he speaks in *baguette crackling noises*

Shots fired.

[RCEnigma]

Gammas town for sure.

[RCEnigma]

I still think this is bullshit.

You're flipping scum b/c RC town reads you.

Gammas flipping town because you scumread them. Fwiw Nero is also town.

[RCEnigma]

@RCE - am I town yet

Lol I won't know until day 2.

[RCEnigma]

Giving FL governor could be more disastrous than giving it to Menalque and I'm all about that.

VOTE: FL

[RCEnigma]

I love that we've mad gunning for governor pro-town through sheer willpower.

[RCEnigma]

Giving FL governor could be more disastrous than giving it to Menalque and I'm all about that.

VOTE: FL

Why don’t you give it to me.

What the Fuck!

Don't trust you to make the big plays. FL is the adc.

[RCEnigma]

I don't think FL is paranoid enough for governor.

I've never seen someone so misrepped in such a positive way.

[RCEnigma]

We need other team members.

I'm too lane because I'm going to be insanely active Doing what seems like nothing. People are going to yell at me, which I'll ignore. And when everyone piles on FL because the support was picking their nose and all hope is lost. BOOM!!!!!


I die trying to solo Baron.

[RCEnigma]

Top*

[RCEnigma]

We need other team members.

I'm too lane because I'm going to be insanely active Doing what seems like nothing. People are going to yell at me, which I'll ignore. And when everyone piles on FL because the support was picking their nose and all hope is lost. BOOM!!!!!


I die trying to solo Baron.

I can 1v3, maybe get lucky and 1v4, but not if top is coming after me too.

Too busy to ping. Good luck.

[RCEnigma]

Vorkuta can support, even though he wants to mid.

We just need to find a mid

Vork you're doing great. Even though you're just playing Janna.

[RCEnigma]

I'm gonna refuse to do any fucking scumhunting post until we're able to lynch

Join the squad.

[RCEnigma]

Glad I joined this geriatric 40p.

[RCEnigma]

There was also a game where me and Deb got into it (maybe ^ game) b/c I didn't want to read a ton of spam and a game where annoyed AF Nero posted the alpabet.

Boonin it in the slums.

[RCEnigma]

True, anything you enjoy Nero hates. With a fiery fiery passion.

[RCEnigma]

Can someone try and pagetop that there was a gladiate and we only have 4 choices now?

[RCEnigma]

Deb, did you see my rauth/RCE cases? Thoughts?

This just to gain support or you want his take on our play?

[RCEnigma]

I've checked every source I can find (signup thread, announcement, modposts) and I've found no references whatsoever to this. Unless I'm incompetent, RCE is working from more information than I have.

I said I got it from the mod instead of them giving me a direct answer to a role question. Then I brought that information to the town.

I'm not sure why you would scumread more information being added to the game. Also, if I were informed of this and scum why would I need to out that info? It comes out anyway. If anything it's a 3p thing to do but still meh.

I still think you're townish but like, it's an arbitrary read and means nothing when the game starts and people are actually trying to play the game. Most of this means nothing tbh.

[RCEnigma]

Anyway VOTE: No gov


Worst election ever.

[RCEnigma]

Oh day started?

[RCEnigma]

It said Korina was silenced for 3 days or something.

[RCEnigma]

Yeah probably, I don't think it was tied to the gov vote.

[RCEnigma]

He said the mod said something about there being a cult Q&A on D1 start, which is apparently untrue, ig.

In your face.

[RCEnigma]

Town:
Nero
Creature
Gamma
Jingle

Idk maybe Dave, but I don't like his pushing on Menalque over amrun.
Specifically that Menalque should focus on things other than his scumread and read the other 30 some odd players.

Because tbh I'm not even going to read what like 20 of the players post at all. If it's not happening real-time it's really easy to get lost in the playerlist.

Guess that means I'm cool with Menalque for today too.

Amrun is on the scum side of null, the attack on FB was weird and the responses didn't do much to make me think it was just town basing a read on iffy logic.

If I told you I had a true scumread on anyone I'd be lying but pick a name out of a hat and I'm probably ok with them being the lynch.

Not wooper though, I want to see what's going on there with jingle.

[RCEnigma]

He said the mod said something about there being a cult Q&A on D1 start, which is apparently untrue, ig.

In your face.

You realize my scumread is mostly predicated upon you having that knowledge and it not being publicly available, right? Where did you learn about it?

It's in my iso I answered like twice now. I asked about some role stuff in relation to cult. The answer I got was that my question would be answered in a cult Q&A in the day 1 opening post.

[RCEnigma]

Idk maybe Dave, but I don't like his pushing on Menalque over amrun.
Specifically that Menalque should focus on things other than his scumread and read the other 30 some odd players.

I'm being very specific in saying that I don't like people to break out the megaphone and yell "vote x" in every post, or most posts.
It reminds me too much of RC lynching townie after townie on something that boils down to "trust me I'm right".
Talk about other things.

Like... Fair, RC ruins a lot of things for a lot of people.

But Menalque is putting forth the effort to get his point across on why his read is the way it is and what Amruns done to influence that. Which is good content.

It would be different if he was just telling everyone to vote X because X is scum and if you don't it's because you're scum. Or something like that.

[RCEnigma]

I'd lynch so many players b4 Amrun

Like....?

Doctor Drew
Untrod Tripod
The Fonz
Pine
Virgo the Immaculate
Jadesmar
Alisae
Rick Dalton

Dude you know that ali is 711 and Rick is FL right?

Alright EP can be town lol.

[RCEnigma]

Chenn what do you think about 2559 from Amrun?

[RCEnigma]

I'd lynch so many players b4 Amrun

Like....?

Doctor Drew
Untrod Tripod
The Fonz
Pine
Virgo the Immaculate
Jadesmar
Alisae
Rick Dalton

Ali is "town" I think. Read as has a green pm.
Rick Dalton is a FL alt I think. I mean DL might be PL worthy but yeah...
the rest just need to start posting and if they don't I'd be ok with seeing them hang.

You guys showed him the activity overview and he used it to find the 1 posters.

That's why he threw Rick and Ali in there with 1 slip a piece.

[RCEnigma]

Chenn what do you think about 2559 from Amrun?

Mountain out of a molehill.

Well, at least we agree it wasn't townie.

[RCEnigma]

It's in my iso I answered like twice now. I asked about some role stuff in relation to cult. The answer I got was that my question would be answered in a cult Q&A in the day 1 opening post.

Why did you start tr-ing me?

Scum wouldn't start the game cult hunting openly.

[RCEnigma]

It's in my iso I answered like twice now. I asked about some role stuff in relation to cult. The answer I got was that my question would be answered in a cult Q&A in the day 1 opening post.

Why did you start tr-ing me?

Like, the gov mechanics and all is a non issue. You would do that as either alignment. But scum would start the game fluffposting or scumhunting, because that's what town would do.

[RCEnigma]

RCE is provisionally town

Sweet, I'll be back day 5 when people start getting suspicious of me.

[RCEnigma]

Everyone over 100 posts should die a slow painful death

Ok boomer

Who is this Boomer you keep referring to?

It’s calling them a Baby Boomer, basically I’m calling them old and cranky

If you have to ask, you can't afford it.

[RCEnigma]

Drew feels more like a scapegoat than wooper does.

[RCEnigma]

The ol bait and switch.

[RCEnigma]

If FF doesn't gladiate today then it's really really likely the pressure on wooper falls off at some point.

[RCEnigma]

I mean I don't necessarily find wooper scummy.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: Amrun

Just an FYI
Wouldn’t mind a wagon on this
Will wait until D2 before I decide to actively push it, in the hopes it decides to do something worthwhile

ATTENTION ALL

I RECEIVED A FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR NOTIFICATION FROM GOBBLEDYGOOK

THEY ARE TOWN

I'm gonna sheep Nero lemme see who he's voting

*gobble* ?

To be fair, also thought this was bs.

[RCEnigma]

Who's got the most votes besides wooper?

[RCEnigma]

prob TSE but vote Vork

VOTE: Vorkuta

[RCEnigma]

I know that Nero Cain is unaligned with me.

^lie detector fodder, not a claim. I’m willing to make the same statement about any other slot on request.

You know lie detector can work with groups, right? So you could post a list of people and ask if they're all the same alignment. Or if they need to be dead for town to win. That would work better, actually, in case there's a survivor or similar.

Untrue. Lie detector can only tell if the person is lying. Most mods make the action fail if the person says something they can't know (For example "There is a doublevoter in the setup" as a VT) and some return it as a lie. Listing a bunch of town would therefore fail, because I don't know their winconditions for sure regardless of my own.

I know that Nero Cain is unaligned with me.

Actually, this wouldn't work unless you are cult or scum. Since there is a cult, then even if you had a cop investigation on someone you wouldn't be able to tell if that investigation was still valid (And thus wouldn't know if that person is still aligned with you or not).

This is strictly better than "I am town" in most situations, actually. If the mod differentiates between lies and things that are incapable of being known, this means that a lie result means Me and Nero are partners (or masons), a truth result means that I am scum of a faction that doesn't contain Nero (which would include say, Serial Killer and Survivor as they are self aligned), and an unclear result means that I am a member of a faction that doesn't know all of it's members. The reason I made both posts, and encourage everyone else to do so, is because "I am unaligned with X" makes you a godfather in the case of traitors. I also suggest everyone makes these posts every day phase, just in case, to deal with potential cult recruits. If I say I am town today and then am recruited, then I am no longer town but was not lying when I said I was.

Since I'm not going back to find the source of a lie detector claim.

We might actually need Vork to collect claim information in one nice neat repostable format. Unless someone else volunteers to do so.

[RCEnigma]

not being active and not being proactive seems like such ass town play to me.

Yo Nero. Run me through why Vork and not bbmolla.

[RCEnigma]

Ehh so I did a thing and I have a result but it's like... Not super useful yet.

Placeholder.

[RCEnigma]

The long and short is bingle has really bad day 1 reads this game.

[RCEnigma]

Not you no.

[RCEnigma]

I think you're semi readable and there are enough players with TW meta. At least one of them has to be town with a reliable read.

[RCEnigma]

The long and short is bingle has really bad day 1 reads this game.

Most Day 1 reads are grossly inaccurate to be honest.

Fair.

[RCEnigma]

rce i've been consistently incorrectly read via meta for like two months now :c

Sounds like you've been working on your scumgame.

[RCEnigma]

What is the lie detector post? Like bingle I haven’t read this game in like 20 pages

The reason people have been posting

"I am Cobble Aligned"

Is because I found evidence that chk may have included a lie detector in the setup. Not hard evidence, just evidence. If everyone posts that specific post, lie detector becomes a full cop.

There are other various things that can be done with it, but without confirmation that it exists it's probably a waste of time and an arbitrary inflation of the thread.

If you're town, you should make the I am Cobble aligned post. If you're a benign 3p like Survivor, you should post "I can win alongside town."

That's it.

It's a lie I'll do an awful lot just to hear.

You're the hottest girl in this barn.

Talk dirty to me bb.

How does that work for cult recruited slots? Say Deb posts he's cobble aligned day 1 and he is recruited that night. But when he posted the statement it was a true statement.

[RCEnigma]

the later seasons were kinda meh though.

loved them paintball episodes though.

Love me some Troy and Abed in the morning... At night.

[RCEnigma]

InsideJob rolled town this game probably.

probably yes

also amrun is still scum, @Pink Bill

you could just vote park there for now

I wonder if there’s a day cop in this setup.
:/.

I literally claimed daycop.

[RCEnigma]

I used it already, sorry bud. Maybe in a couple days if I make it there.

[RCEnigma]

Rauth.

[RCEnigma]

I'm kind of heavily gated with who I can cop and when. But I have a secondary ability that might be semi useful(?) But idk how it works yet.

[RCEnigma]

What am i getting wrong here? Rauth is still alive right? So are we simply waiting for the mod to kill him?

Uhh what?

[RCEnigma]

Daycop is not the same as dayvig, dong.

[RCEnigma]

Happens bud. I thought you were saying rauth has some mechanic that modkills him when targeted.

Didn't know if that was like a claim thing or something.

[RCEnigma]

Gobble and bbmolla are tied by the FN claim. EP is one of the top town and should be in everyone's townreads.

[RCEnigma]

Again I can never push any scum read because people don’t like me.
Good thing there are a good chuck of scum this game that I don’t directly need to push the strong players that are scum and can get the ones I can actually get because when it comes to pushing on someone. I have never ever done it ever. Despite my efforts for an entire year. Over a year actually.

Hi
What are you reads as of now? You should probably have more than 3 scumreads rn, right?

Why?

[RCEnigma]

Can we keep the activity up so I don't need to post 20 times in a row?

Activity is fine, stop posting 20 times in a row.

[RCEnigma]

Why do we want TSE to vote for DrDrew? I thought we were voting for Vorkuta?

Why? DD is scum. We’re voting for Drew. You must have missed a big chunk, specifically my casings

Question for the class.

Is Flavor normally a tunnel-y player as town?

Yeah, scum too. So there's that.

[RCEnigma]

Im not sure whats happening, but I tr that outburst

spiderbro, why is unipod scum?

What he said to InsideJob, my Town Read, never comes from town.

No clue what it was he said. But Inside Job, your townread, isn't even pushing UT as a scumread. In fact they only interact like twice and it's around creature and his massposting.

[RCEnigma]

If groupscum race is AI, which is probably not at all helpful. If anyone wants to claim orc/drow they should probably do it now though.

Orcus was a kill flavor, Dong. Probably not town based on "wants to kill and/or enslave all non orcs."

Was one of the deaths not a nameless orc?

[RCEnigma]

I just noted that I was cleared by a day cop. It's earlier on this page.

Wait, I missed this. Who cleared you?

I did. Yesterday.

[RCEnigma]

InsideJob rolled town this game probably.

probably yes

also amrun is still scum, @Pink Bill

you could just vote park there for now

I wonder if there’s a day cop in this setup.
:/.

I literally claimed daycop.

oh please use it on me

I used it already, sorry bud. Maybe in a couple days if I make it there.

what who'd you target?

Rauth.

[RCEnigma]

Ehh so I did a thing and I have a result but it's like... Not super useful yet.

Placeholder.

The long and short is bingle has really bad day 1 reads this game.

When I first used it.

[RCEnigma]

I didn't out my target at that point but it was implied I had an informed read on Nero or rauth.

[RCEnigma]

Menal you get my memo?

[RCEnigma]

Menal you get my memo?

Eh?

Assuming I've been roleblocked then.

[RCEnigma]

Faulty memory, TSE mentioned 1-shot and his ability but it was about combining 1-shot gov with his ability.
I was more ok with that role thinking it was 1-shot than I am in general. Perhaps needs to go by the midpoint in numbers (when we're down to ~20).

Behaviorally TSE feels like a 3p wanting to prove himself useful. It feels to me like maybe there are goblins in the game and the role's wincon is to execute a goblin (or maybe all goblins dead). Goblins are presumably anti-town so it's a protown wincon. This might be like a 3p lyncher type role implemented as an executioner.

Could be 3p, could be bad town. Just don't think tse is scum.

[RCEnigma]

... Why would someone roleblock a day role?

Tbf I also have a night action. But it's really vague and I don't think it has any game impact outside of causing me to visit. It's compulsive which implies tracker/watcher/follower in the setup.

[RCEnigma]

Can confirm Korina is super into cults.

[RCEnigma]

Maybe, I can't cop today so not like it matters.

[RCEnigma]

The last one is what has EP as town for me.

[RCEnigma]

I think that the way Menalque read that EP post at the time was what made me feel good about Menalque being town too.

[RCEnigma]

I'm also considering I could have been redirected. There is feedback from my ability but it doesn't go to me, I don't get a copy and I don't know what's written.

[RCEnigma]

Another scenario: Menalque knows what I'm talking about but declined to receive it in case I'm gambiting. Like trying to catch scum with a disloyal fruit or something.

[RCEnigma]

I’m a Survivor. And there’s 37 people left. There is zero reason to worry about me right now, Menalque.

The only people who should be worried about me are scum because they’d be paranoid about me being something else.

Town should also be worried about you being something else tbf.

[RCEnigma]

The goal isn't to find who Formerfish was scumreading, The goal is to find people who could conceivably think Formerfish was scumreading them or a partner or who could begin to scumread them or a partner.

Why is this the best explanation of an FF kill?

I think daycop + gladiate is pretty strong and scum seem to have thought the same. Also with how freely FF was willing to gladiate, scum know he's never going to be a cult target.

[RCEnigma]

Because what does town gain from claiming surv? Sure, immunity from pretty much all actions and NKs, but if you're

that

important of a role, why not ask for any protectives to be on you?

I’m flavor leaf.

Confirm this is FL activity.

[RCEnigma]

I don't think attacking FL today does much for town except waste time.

[RCEnigma]

I think it’s pretty clear I’m town lying about being 3rd party. Would be like the third time this year

I mean yeah the fact that you’re lying about being 3p has been p obvious since the go but like you just vibe with me as being more generally scummy than towny this game

Plus idk I kinda feel like scum would have been more likely to push the 3rd party thing and it didn’t happen so that kinda makes me lean more scum on you too

Why would scum push 3p day 1? That's a super scummy move. Also as soon as the words I'm 3p came out of FL I said shut the front door, cuz obviously not.

[RCEnigma]

Also, @Menalque - When I actually am scum, and people know I am scum, you still won’t be able to lynch me without going through multiple day phases of pretentious agony

Well yeah so I’d rather get a head start on it rsther than doing it like D5 again or whatever

Well, if you start now, I’ll get killed Day 5.

You pushing me actually gives me more room to stay alive longer, ask RCEnigma how difficult it is.

This happened in a town game of mine recently, but it happens as scum too

Ever tried to barehand catch an eel blindfolded?

[RCEnigma]

Korina you the real lyncher or what?

[RCEnigma]

Get out of my claimspace.

[RCEnigma]

I'm a gimped daycop, I'll take you in.

[RCEnigma]

Menalque walk me through this FL scumread without using vibe. I'll counter with a very specific meta wifom tell that only applies to me.

[RCEnigma]

Ok FL stop scumming I'm trying to take you under my wing right now lol.

[RCEnigma]

Every time you say you're confirmed by now, my PTSD triggers.

[RCEnigma]

Menalque walk me through this FL scumread without using vibe. I'll counter with a very specific meta wifom tell that only applies to me.

This sounds like a wonderful exchange of time and effort

Then case the guy to convince me he's scum. Because at this point, I'm not.

[RCEnigma]

I thought FL’s gov push was agenda-y in ways that neither mine nor vork’s were

I think that’s where I initially started feeling iffy about him

I'd agree with this, I don't think it's his scumplay though.

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I thought FL’s gov push was agenda-y in ways that neither mine nor vork’s were

I think that’s where I initially started feeling iffy about him

To be fair, FL claimed he could win by getting the Governor shot, and otherwise was a survivor. But then again, it's FL, so...

He was lying about that too, obviously.

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I thought FL’s gov push was agenda-y in ways that neither mine nor vork’s were

I think that’s where I initially started feeling iffy about him

I'd agree with this, I don't think it's his scumplay though.

Okay I’m listening, why?

It Infringes on his wincon as scum. For one it makes him a cult target and town knows that as well. He sets himself up as a policy lynch that he can't really use to direct associatives since voting him is the pro town move anyways.

Do I think scum!FL would advocate himself for a governor shot because it's scum indicative? Sure. But not with cult as a threat as well, not if he has any importance in his scumteam, not if his role has utility for scum.

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I read somewhere they do? Possibly?

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Fair point.

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I already said fair point.

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To be fair, I've fallen victim once. The other 2 times I called scum!FL out correctly but it's damn hard to convince people their reads really aren't that good. Go figure.

But the time he got me is pretty hilarious lol.

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It was just. The perfect storm.

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I've gone back to the drawing board, fixed the bugs, and gotten back into accurate-ish FL reading.

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Nah I think we have RCE pocketed tbh

False, I'm trying to get someone to double vig you two.

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You see, I’m something of a mentalist— I play the game in a revolution of plays countering other plays. What is this person going to do to respond to this play?

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Did enter claim his target? And if not why are we letting him live?

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Why is it when I promised content later today that people are suddenly voting for me? It will get done later today but this feels very opportunistic.

This still gonna happen or?

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Looking at my wagon.
@Gamma
What’s your reasoning to voting me.
I understand how the rest on the wagon feel towards me but I don’t recall you actually feeling I was Scummy during the duration of Day 1.

To be fair you make it tough to not vote you.

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Town: rauth, Nero, bingle, kidamn, probably xofelf, ep, gamma

Everyone else is some form of wishy washy.

Don't feel great about Amrun or Dave.
Vork or virgo can die, the latter isn't super scummy just not...useful. Amrun pushing there doesn't make me feel great about it but the wagon isn't bad compwise. Vork wagon looks better in pretty much every way.

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Alisae is probably town too.

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Looking at my wagon.
@Gamma
What’s your reasoning to voting me.
I understand how the rest on the wagon feel towards me but I don’t recall you actually feeling I was Scummy during the duration of Day 1.

To be fair you make it tough to not vote you.

Why?
Is it how I word stuff?
Because I do have a problem with proper wording.

No it's just. Idk the game isn't about you. I think you're just having trouble objectively viewing the game.

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Ahem

@RCE

I still don't know what to make of you or FL. I think you're both similar-ish but I have a way harder time reading you than FL for some reason.

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InsideJob is actually only kise who’s just imitating alibae

The great jebait.

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See TSE ya say things like that and I just think of a kid in an oversized suit.

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virgo wagon is a thing b/c amrun says she has a result that means he's a possible killing role and he was doing shit all. He only became minorly active AFTER the result. So from my POV its not impossible that he was just scum lurking it out.

Agreed his reaction to being wagoned is scummy. Maybe I blanked on Amrun claiming a result.

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Ahem

@RCE

I still don't know what to make of you or FL. I think you're both similar-ish but I have a way harder time reading you than FL for some reason.

I mean the difference is that when I’m this meme-y it says I’m town as opposed to FL where it doesn’t say a lot

Rule of thumb I use with FL that I will also use with you. Any self meta is propoganda.

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We’re going to have some Town vote me. Some Scum vote me because “Miss Lynch Central” and helps with their day abilities after I’m gone.
We’re going to have some actual smart town realize I’m Town and defend me, and then have scum defending me in case I survive end game with them in hopeless desperation that I Lock Town them.

It's posts like this man. That boils down to "everyone is playing around me." That adds little to nothing to the game but you make them like grand statements. It just rubs people the wrong way is all I'm saying.

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I'll just save you some time and histrionics actually

Pine hadn't been around so I said "ayo Pino you got a dayvig" to which he responded "no who should I vig" and I posted the list of people who have clogged the thread with needless self-centred bullshit. you saw your name on a list, panicked, and pretended that it was a serious request to lynch you.

moving on. I got scummy vibes from the post Titus made from that alt account. I felt it was unnecessarily hedge-y in a way that scum usually does when they feel like they need to fake content but don't have real reads. that's my reason for voting it and I haven't seen anything that makes me want to move.

If you piss people of, they start producing content.

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It's cool, cobras are sick.

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VOTE: TSE

I don't care for the AtE, rapid position swaps and not reading.

Titus, I love you, darling, and I’m so sad you pulled scum.

I love you too and I'm sad you're pushing this wrong angle. Time and TSE's flip will tell me more about your alignment and motivations.

Ohh shit maybe Titus is scum.

I had the same thought at this but I didn't wanna say anything cuz I was scared it was just me.

What's scary is mind melding here but you know the person you're melding with isn't town. Awkward.

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But I feel a little better about Fire so that's nice.

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mena reminds me of RAS in that one boon game where he was scum (3rd party) that kept pooh-poohing my scum reads (and those reads were right)

The one he convinced town to claim he was friendly neighbor in? Good times.

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Nah Ras got into a neighborhood with Vorkuta and Vorkuta claimed he was a friendly neighbor for him. But other Ras was in that game so practically never happened. And neither did this recollection of said non-event.

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Elsa got mastina to claim mason with them as scum if that's what you mean.

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This is some serious Mandela Effect. No, he never claimed 1 shot.

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Plus there’s plenty of benefit to scum to get a quick mislynch on town!titus and I’m happy to let her get into the game to see if she produces more later on

She hasn’t done anything that’s pinged me as obviously scummy and so I’d rather sort her later, even if I’m not actually certain she’s town

Her reaction to pressure was super scummy idk how you can defend there. Is mod known for safeclaims? Btw?

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Agreed Amrun keeps pinging me. I dunno why they feel they have to remind people that they pushed both wagons.

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I came to an unfortunate realization that TSE's role, if truly unlimited, was extremely overpowered in scum hands, which to my great frustration meant his motives were most likely pure. Other than the ones where he thought he was god's gift to mafia; those motives are selfish.

Except if TSE isn't scum then they can probably be recruited by cult. Which would put the role into scum hands. So I don't think the fact it would be overpowered in scum hands matters, it would be near the same level of balance as either town or scum as long as cult with a recruiter is around.

I am willing to lynch Elements, as in a way they effectively tried to quick-hammer a slot.

Did we know if cultists keep their roles? I've seen a few that turn their members into zombies. Probably not, I suppose. It's also possible he's an unrecruitable third party.

This is what I asked, was told it would be answered in the cult Q&A. I didn't really see it addressed so who knows.



Well cult knows.

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Did RCE ever mention where they found the Cult Q&A info?

Yes, a lot.

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Plus there’s plenty of benefit to scum to get a quick mislynch on town!titus and I’m happy to let her get into the game to see if she produces more later on

She hasn’t done anything that’s pinged me as obviously scummy and so I’d rather sort her later, even if I’m not actually certain she’s town

Her reaction to pressure was super scummy idk how you can defend there. Is mod known for safeclaims? Btw?

Really? I claimed I'd be there. Amrun fakes a nebulous guilty on like half the game. I come back as promised. I lurked the early half because of real life.

This creates a wagon on me. I get frustrated because scum take a shot at me.

Just what the fuck is scummy about being pissed on having to blow my alt to defend myself?

But you didn't deliver. Like you came back, complained about the wagon on you and made it seem like the wagon only started because you said you would bring content.

Defending yourself against Amrun was content I guess but thats only a result of being accused and doesn't show me you are thinking about or solving the game.

Like if you came back and gave your thoughts on the game or even picked like an association that you wanted clarification on then I probably wouldn't have had an issue.

But your reactive and not proactive and I haven't seen reactive Town!Titus before.

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Did you ever explain who you thought knew Virgo was a Titus alt?

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Is Amrun one of the players you think would look for a connection like that?

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Because your argument kind of pivots on Amrun knowing you're Titus and not just Lurker McLurkerson taking up space.

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If you're claiming she targeted you specifically with her claim.

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Like if you came back and gave your thoughts on the game or even picked like an association that you wanted clarification on then I probably wouldn't have had an issue.

But your reactive and not proactive and I haven't seen reactive Town!Titus before.

I need fewer people alive to get a sense of the land before being too proactive. I have commented on what I see, as I see it. I really don't have the time for more.

My reads develop based on slots interacting with each other.

Ok. What do you think of Nero/Vork? Bingle/Wooper? FL/Menalque? Bbmolla/gobble? Menalque/UT?

All of these are somewhat meaningful interactions between players that aren't centered around you.

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I am willing to lynch Elements, as in a way they effectively tried to quick-hammer a slot.

A lynch a that point would've looked much worse on Titus than on me.

Huh?

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Huh to that too.

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Like TSE has made it known he'll execute when wagons are put in range for him to activate. So why would you directly making that possible look worse on him than you? And why are you assuming Titus flips town?

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On the record if I wasn't voting scum!Vork if vote scum!elements.

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I am willing to lynch Elements, as in a way they effectively tried to quick-hammer a slot.

A lynch a that point would've looked much worse on Titus than on me.

A scum flip looks great for either of you. This is assuming a town flip.

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Yikes, I'm doing the Shoshin thing.

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Like TSE has made it known he'll execute when wagons are put in range for him to activate.

As you may have noticed I'm not following this game particularly closely and did not know that.

This is a common theme but people are complaining about policy lynching the slots that don't actually want to play.

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On the record if I wasn't voting scum!Vork if vote scum!elements.

Why are you scum reading me again?

If Titus were to flip town it's the second wagon going through in lieu of a Vork lynch that's faced a lot of resistance and you pushing it through looks agenda driven. Fair?

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On the record if I wasn't voting scum!Vork if vote scum!elements.

Why are you scum reading me again?

If Titus were to flip town it's the second wagon going through in lieu of a Vork lynch that's faced a lot of resistance and you pushing it through looks agenda driven. Fair?

If only the simple fact of something being objected to make it more likely, detective work would be very easy.

It's not being objected to based on his play, I'd argue.

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I have a cop guilty.

If it's not on FL I don't wanna hear it.

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This is Kise again.

This is some serious Mandela Effect. No, he never claimed 1 shot.

Outside of chen, I don't even remember who said al that but it'd be hilarious if that was something mentioned in the scum HQ that leaked over in the GT.

I don't know how to help right now. Will have a week's worth of free time starting Sunday due to using PTO. Been reading every 3-4 pages to get a summary of the good shits...Shit is just aite

Is FL's guilty a gambit?

Enter I think but I like this take.

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This is Kise again.

This is some serious Mandela Effect. No, he never claimed 1 shot.

Outside of chen, I don't even remember who said al that but it'd be hilarious if that was something mentioned in the scum HQ that leaked over in the GT.

I don't know how to help right now. Will have a week's worth of free time starting Sunday due to using PTO. Been reading every 3-4 pages to get a summary of the good shits...Shit is just aite

Is FL's guilty a gambit?

Enter I think but I like this take.

What about me?

Oh lose said it could be like a scum chat leak thing but you're one of the people I remember claiming TSE said 1 shot. If you're truly 3rd party it breaks the argument. I guess you could still be scum gambiting but I liked where the idea came from.

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Kise not lose.

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I'm interested in knowing how you know anyone's role card except your own.

Some of us do detective work. Not sure what it is you do.

We got us an arrogant badass over here.

We've yet to flip any scum though and all you've done is vote for town so I'm going to take your reads with a large helping of salt.

You calling someone arrogant is pretty funny.

Town? I'm interested in knowing how you know anyone's role card except your own.

As much as I like circle jerking with you guys I would probably like a Lynch even more.

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This is not up for debate.

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@RCEnigma - what are your thoughts on TSE, Miss, EP? They’re the New Age Flavor Squad right now, I knighted them with my frilly leaves.

2 of the three are likely 3p and then EP is town. Really town.

Something about Miss' claim rubs me wrong but not much I can do about it.

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Gobbles a claimed friendly neighbor via bbmolla.

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Gobbles a claimed friendly neighbor via bbmolla.

So he got friendly neighbor 2 games right by each other? Hmm.

All of Gobble’s votes are like incredibly political.

If that’s true, then fine.

Skygazer coasted off that as a claim once and I was the only one who still pushed her and she killed me off real fast because of it, don’t let that happen again.

You think that both TSE and Miss are 3rd party?

What was Miss’s claim, and when did it happen? TSE executioner has LOADS of scum benefit. That’s a big reason I don’t think he is scum.

Like honestly, he could easily be warlocking me here, I get it, so from that perspective, you lot all have to see that I’m being warlocked and I’m the big obnoxious town Demon wrecking through stuff.

If he is scum doing it, that is.


You wanna go back and check Everything is Completely Normal and see how hard hard protecting my scum buddies goes for me now? Especially with RCEnigma here.

I also don’t see how you don’t see that I was cop inno’d already, Menalque.

I trust that town wouldn't claim scum is a friendly neighbor. I hope anyway. Either that or bbmolla and gobble have scumtied themselves and one going down is a 2 for 1.

Enter essentially claimed Hunter but not sure what he's hunting or if it's a factional thing. The way he claimed was basically that both sides need him alive because he and another can balance factions as needed. Before that he claimed lyncher.

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Yeah pretty much, it's how I interpreted it any way.

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TSE executioner has LOADS of scum benefit. That’s a big reason I don’t think he is scum.

I agree that there's scum benefit, but I come down on the opposite side of whether or not him claiming it is a scumtell. I feel like it'd be wayyyyyy more suspect if he had hidden it. if that was me as scum I'd be waving that role around from the jump.

Right, but isn't it safer as scum to act like it was one shot? I feel like claiming a super powerful role that would be really likely to be culted if it were town is a pretty low equity move.

Nah it sets him up to be accused of cult if he stops using it.