Guns & Roses III [Game over]

[Pretentious]

VOTE: Pretentious


For that one mini normal. You know the one.

Whatever could you mean, Amawesome?

[Pretentious]

I forget.

GuiltyLion, do we love each other? I’m Leaf.

[Pretentious]

Oh, wtf. It’s Salamence. Neat.

SS, I’m getting scum vibes from you. I don’t think I’m right by any means, but I feel we’re about to be on different sides of the shift. (Not alignment wise, gamestate wise) However, it could be leftover from the last Guns/Roses.

I for one

love

bad puns. You gotta go for the bad ones to test the audience. Sometimes ya hit, sometimes ya miss.

[Pretentious]

I meticulously planned my choice of gun and slash or rose, so I could do this.

Let’s make things spicy.

I’m a Night 3 Rose.

[Pretentious]

I think we played one game together where I nailed you as scum on your replace-in, but then you successfully argued your way out of it to the point where I townread you and then lost as a result. No love lost at all though, you played well

Was this Let’s Talk About An On-Going game?

[Pretentious]

but I feel we’re about to be on different sides of the shift.

Different sides of the what now?

The schism. The state of being. The ol hot dog and hamburger kebabs.

[Pretentious]

Claiming rose is not nearly as spicy when there are nine roses as it was when there was one...

It really isn’t, but I was just explaining why I chose what I did.

Specifically so I could say N3 Rose.

If you think that’s what I am, so be it.

[Pretentious]

I don’t even think I get it.

[Pretentious]

I ask cause I dont recognize you

You’d know me as Boonskiies.

[Pretentious]

Hey, Menalque, are you the type who wears cologne?

Don’t worry, guys, I’m not pulling my cologne gambit, I’m generally just curious and we talked about him smelling.

[Pretentious]

Not a fan of so many soft claims already and then..

I only hard claim.

Why are you not a fan of soft claims in a game like this?

Surely nobody would straight up tell the truth about that this early, right? This is a very WIFOM’able game, ripe with gambit opportunity in the purest form, without the need or necessity of the overthought power roles and night actions. Just simple Guns and Roses.

[Pretentious]

It was my genuine thoughts, doesn’t have to be a need. I just spew my mind so people can see where my head’s at in relation to others.

I felt something was off with SS, so I brought it up. I am aware that Imight just be paranoid.

[Pretentious]

I dangle myself out in front of scum like a piece of delicious cake.

I literally bait myself in being mislynched to scum.

I am mislynch bait.

[Pretentious]

I don’t see AF as scummy here really.

And I just played a scum game with him where Day 1 I actively had to do damage control so he wouldn’t come across as scummy.

Actually, this might be more of a case FOR ScumAF then if you guys think he is scummy...

I didn’t have to read him in that game since I was town.

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Basically, so I don’t get called out for saying one thing, but backtracking it in, because I’m speaking my actual thought process here...

I personally haven’t found him scummy or see him as forced, but I did just play a scum game with him where people said something similar, and then I bailed him out of it, as his scum partner.

I don’t really know what I’m saying, I just felt the need to say my history since he’s picking up steam

[Pretentious]

Amawesome is what pinged me in the past few pages, but I have really no explanation as to why, and my gut also feels that my gut is wrong to scumread Amawesome.

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Basically, what I’m trying to say, so people don’t think I backtracked in the same post, is show my genuine thought process.

I think I’m saying...I lean town on Am?

I don’t know.

[Pretentious]

Hey, Menalque, are you the type who wears cologne?

Don’t worry, guys, I’m not pulling my cologne gambit, I’m generally just curious and we talked about him smelling.

You have a cologne gambit?

Also, depends

Also hi

Yes. It’s been seen a few times, most noticeably in the Mini Normal Musicals.

[Pretentious]

Wow, Pretentious. Are there any stances you DO want to take?

I don’t take stances, I just say my thoughts, and explain what I think is going on on a gamestate level.

[Pretentious]

I’m VIP

[Pretentious]

MLB wishes they was VIP like the FLE

af

.

Idk what MLB is if you aren’t talking about baseball, and I barely know that

[Pretentious]

Wow, Pretentious. Are there any stances you DO want to take?

I don’t take stances, I just say my thoughts, and explain what I think is going on on a gamestate level.

That would be fine if your posts actually were saying something.



@salamence: what does “not entirely scum” mean?

They say a lot more than ya think. Gotta look at it on a deeper level.

[Pretentious]

Mislynch bait...

Pretty sure I already said this?

And I was saying it ironically in a different context, because if anyone actually thinks I’m mislynch bait, LOL. Good luck when you roll scum against me

[Pretentious]

I dangle myself out in front of scum like a piece of delicious cake.

I literally bait myself in being mislynched to scum.

I am mislynch bait.

Yeah, I already commented on that.

This is the year I’ve been mislynched more than any year I’ve had on site.

I think that was three times? And one of them I scum slipped as town.

[Pretentious]

This changes from my zero times mislynched for 2018.

But now I’m blowing smoke as I wait for my good friend Espressojet to show up to my rock climbing gym.

Salamence might remember Espressojet.

Espressojet and my account, Boonskiies, have a hydra named

Jet Skiies.

[Pretentious]

Rock climbing is dumb imo

Well, it’s making me look good fit, so I like it

[Pretentious]

Yeah, poor DDL, having to play with the Pret account 2 games in a row. It’s a lot to deal with. I do channel personalities depending on the account I’m playing on.

[Pretentious]

Can you say what the cologne gambit is?

It's literally nothing. He asks people if they wear cologne and then pretends like he got something out of it.

I suppose the gambit is just him gauging how people react to something they don't understand.

I actually had a purpose to do it in Musicals originally, but then the player I started to do it to replaced out, and I was never able to do it. I had a whole thing originally, but it ended up being hilarious how the scum team was so freaked out by it.

[Pretentious]

Wtf.

How come literally as soon as I bring up having a gut scum read on Amrun, a wagon forms.

Nah, i was right to lean town there. This is fucked

[Pretentious]

Wtf.

How come literally as soon as I bring up having a gut scum read on Amrun, a wagon forms.

Nah, i was right to lean town there. This is fucked

Boon. What do you think of icon?

Btw i just learned icon is not a guy. Neat.

I don’t have time to post it out right now, I wanna look deeper into this, but I see this, and I will get to this as soon as I get to this game!

[Pretentious]

pret are you not invested in this game because you didnt roll scum

I

get

to be not invested because I didn’t roll scum.

I am a little burnt out of mafia the past month and a half, tbh.

I got burnt out right before that Pret scum game started we were in, and then that game drove it home. Been modding for a year straight too. I need a break, but I don’t wanna completely disappear, so I just take it a little easier and come into games. Also coming in later in games and just piecing the puzzles together is relaxing for me.

Scum isn’t relaxing.

[Pretentious]

You don’t get to have these 10 scum victories in a calendar year without getting burnt out. I flex it because I set out at like 5 scum victories saying I wanted to hit 10 this year, and I did this goal. I think more players should create goals for themselves.

Spoiler:

Let’s Talk About An On-Going Game - 9p Micro

The Room Odds - 9p Micro

One Night Ultimate Werewolf 81p Large Theme

Krazy’s Anime U-Pick 19p Large Theme

Mini Normal 2058 13p Mini Normal

Mini Normal 2073 - ramblings 13p Mini Normal

Pokemon Fusion U-Pick 17p Large Theme

Large Normal 222: Black Versus White 17p Large Normal

Mini Normal 2102: Mafia a la mode 13p Mini Normal

Large Normal 223: New Beginnings 21p Large Normal

[Pretentious]

My other goal was to mod for a year straight, and I have accomplished that as well.

4 Large Themes, 1 Micro, 1 Marathon, and a mega event that consisted of 3 Large Themes simultaneously, followed by 6 Rounds of 6p Micros.

I fucked myself for this site this year

[Pretentious]

Expected to have been prodded, but I was just nearing it.

I thought for sure everyone would have posted in that time, so it’s weird to see Ico having been gone longer than I have.

[Pretentious]

Maybe I’m noticing that more because Salamence asked me about it, and that’s been on my mind, but I need to reread this game.

[Pretentious]

Creature is posting elsewhere on site FWIW

So am I

[Pretentious]

give me town cred, I’m the one who found scum!

[Pretentious]

Tell me this: for anything creature has done that’s scummy, has ddl not done the same thing but worse?

Being generally absent is (or at least used to be) a scumtell for Creature in a way that it's not for most people.

Granted I don't know if this is still true and I have heard that his scum and town games have gotten more similar recently.

Pretty sure creature hated and disagreed with the meta tell.

[Pretentious]

give me town cred, I’m the one who found scum!

Reading the names of your buddies in your role PM doesn't count.

It does if I bus them

[Pretentious]

Is there really no other reasoning you've kept your vote on GL, @texcat? Nothing else from him you find AI one way or the other?

VOTE: Creature

I don't wanna flip GL. I'm still okay going back to Amrun if possible, but I'm definitely not impressed by Creature so far either.

This is scum

[Pretentious]

Okay.

VOTE: Daitsi

The posts are saying a lot of nothing, they were the first on Amawesome, they immediately went to creature.

And they’re asking fluff questions and staying under the radar.

[Pretentious]

And sour take, i think GL, Amrun, and Creature are all town

[Pretentious]

Salamence is townie, i

think

SS is townie.

[Pretentious]

Pretty sure creature hated and disagreed with the meta tell.

I mean a slightly more advanced version of it (looking at the amount of content he put out) was pretty accurate for a while, imo.

Regardless, my read here isn't even tied to activity. It's entirely possible that Creature could have obvtowned himself in 41 posts. Because he didn't, it raises the prior of him being scum.

Why doesn’t he just do that as scum then? He’s done it before. I’ve been partners with him when he has, I believe.

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And sour take, i think GL, Amrun, and Creature are all town

Go DDL then. Because that’s the only thing that might happen that isn’t the above.

I could make a datisi lynch happen, I’d just have to case better.

I’m not against DDL lynch, but that might be because I haven’t focused on reading him one way or another, and he likes to vote me.

[Pretentious]

The posts are saying a lot of nothing

This usually isn't a scumtell q.q

It is when they’re posting in a way that makes it look like something

[Pretentious]

Positioning

[Pretentious]

I used my heat seeking scum directed lance and it brought me to datisi.

[Pretentious]

Frosty the Zote man, what do you think about the Datisi slot?

[Pretentious]

> trying to get a lynch in on people they don't TR
> "positioning"

ok

I like the beetle juice nature of this come in and the annoyed being scum read for the wrong reasons attitude.

[Pretentious]

There seems to be some loud voices determined to not see Creature voted...

If creature were scum, he’d have been spamming the thread by now.

He’s town who doesn’t care.

He’ll probably spam the thread after it looks like he should care again.

[Pretentious]

Also Datisi is living to D2 unless mafia has a gun or shes the NK.

Well, I was not voting prior, so it doesn’t really change anything

[Pretentious]

There seems to be some loud voices determined to not see Creature voted...

I mean it’s basically just me

And the pretentious dude trying to divert

Classic Town Me.

I’m not trying to divert, i am diverting.

[Pretentious]

Classic Town Me.

You divert as scum too mr. "I'm masons with Cheeky"

I try to divert as scum, but look where that got me

[Pretentious]

Defending Creature early game is actively a townFlavor trait.

I claimed masons with him that one time even. He was scum and killed me.

[Pretentious]

Dogwatch
Iconeum
DrDolittle
alimdia
Texcat
AaronFrost

Probably in this list. Not exactly sure where.

[Pretentious]

Oh was that pretentious answering who Dats scumbuddies are?

In that case, where the hell did you come up with this?

I’ve been staying my town reads throughout the game. These are players I have no valid reason town read.

This is to datisi’s likely partners.

[Pretentious]

I have a pretty good track record with catching ScumTex, and I’m starting to lean scum there as well

[Pretentious]

Which coincides with my Sally town read and then bringing that up earlier, and nothing coming from it

[Pretentious]

i dont rly think creature is scum tbh

[Pretentious]

There’s always other options.

[Pretentious]

Told you creature would post a lot once he got closer to being lynched

[Pretentious]

Fuck it.

VOTE: DrDolittle

Creature and GL just look like such blatant mislynches to me.

[Pretentious]

Datish
Amrun
DrDolittle
AaronFrost

Pick one to lynch

Fire list, Creature. Fire list.

Join DDL.

[Pretentious]

Fuck it.

VOTE: DrDolittle

Creature and GL just look like such blatant mislynches to me.

Please explain me how you think Creature is such 'blatant' mislynch if he's still at L-2 and no signs of being lynched with 11 ish hours to deadline?

I disagree there’s no signs of him being lynched. Scum are probably purposefully waiting off the wagon. DDL fits that bill.

Scum don’t pile up on wagons when it’s stalled. It’s stalled because scum are being inactive about his wagon. If he was scum there would e more friction around his wagon rather than just the stagnant. Scum are content with how the game is going right now. Town on a deadline are generally likely to just go along with it, and scum could stay off the vote count for wagonomic purposes. It’s easiest to do that early game, and is a play scum can make.

[Pretentious]

Fuck it.

VOTE: DrDolittle

Creature and GL just look like such blatant mislynches to me.

So do you prefer no lynch?

No, i prefer a lynch we can make happen over a mislynch.

[Pretentious]

Datisi, af, and dog watch likely have scum in them as well, I’ve stated this, and they’re on Creature, albeit on the end, but still.

[Pretentious]

Gain some courage, y’all

[Pretentious]

I don’t have bad posts in that fashion as scum.

You don’t get 10 scum victories in a calendar year with scum posts like that.

This is pure town

[Pretentious]

I’d rather Datisi lynch, and that last post of them makes DDL-Datisi likely

[Pretentious]

Yeah, I get a pure amount of unadulterated bliss when I think of that too

[Pretentious]

:shrug: happens every single one of my town games.

I value high level scum play, and every time someone tries to make a case like that on me when I’m town, it’s quite baffling.

[Pretentious]

Instead of boasting, can you reply to actual posts, Pret?

I said my bit. I explained my reasonings for town Creature, and he did exactly as I said he would do if he were town in a non forced way.

I don’t agree with the Creature lynch. If you think I’m scum who knows it’s a mislynch, you’re wrong.

I’m just town with a likely accurate read.

I’ve misread him on occasion, sure. I’ve been in a similar situation here where I’v heard read him as town, and he ended up being scum.

I still value going with my read when I feel this strongly about it. I can correctly read him more than the times I read him incorrectly.

And the places I have been pushing, positioning wise, ScumCreature would have died by now.

Scum likely have a spot off the wagon, and are content waiting for town to hammer.

[Pretentious]

It’s not boasting, it’s just pure facts.

If it makes me look good, so be it, but I bring up my mishappenings, and misplays throughout games as well.

[Pretentious]

Tell me this: for anything creature has done that’s scummy, has ddl not done the same thing but worse?

Being generally absent is (or at least used to be) a scumtell for Creature in a way that it's not for most people.

Granted I don't know if this is still true and I have heard that his scum and town games have gotten more similar recently.

Pretty sure creature hated and disagreed with the meta tell.

Is there really no other reasoning you've kept your vote on GL, @texcat? Nothing else from him you find AI one way or the other?

VOTE: Creature

I don't wanna flip GL. I'm still okay going back to Amrun if possible, but I'm definitely not impressed by Creature so far either.

This is scum

Okay.

VOTE: Daitsi

The posts are saying a lot of nothing, they were the first on Amawesome, they immediately went to creature.

And they’re asking fluff questions and staying under the radar.

And sour take, i think GL, Amrun, and Creature are all town

I’ve been defending Creature since way back here.

There was plenty of time to make another wagon happen.

[Pretentious]

@pret how about we lynch ddl today and then I’ll give you townpoints for helping me if he flips red and we can maybe do datisi tomorrow?

Also

[Pretentious]

I don’t have bad posts in that fashion as scum.

Ur literally saying you agree that your posting is bad


While also saying that you don't understand why there's a case on you?

I value high level scum play, and every time someone tries to make a case like that on me when I’m town, it’s quite baffling.

Nah, I just didn’t feel like having surface level arguments.

It’s only a bad post if I were scum.

[Pretentious]

There’s not really a case on me, there’s a person trying to case me. Difference.

And by that post, you quoted the high level scum play as a reason which contradicts the post of a bad post.

Which is once again, a town case on me.

[Pretentious]

Unless you think I’d purposefully make a bad post as scum, which is actually quite possible normally, and more down the correct line of thinking when attempting to find ScumMe.

Not happening here, though :shrug:

[Pretentious]

Regardless of Creature's alignment I think scum got caught off the wagon

Wrong there's already two of them on my wagon

I would believe there is scum off your wagon, though.

They’re deadlining you. Town get desperate at the end, and will vote so they don’t have to.

If scum had that much on you, you’d likely be dead by now.

2 max are on you, it’s possible only 1.

Ico positioning was pretty scummy. I don’t think scum hammer you here ever.

[Pretentious]

Join on DDL, Creature.

If a couple more come on, we can transfer the wagon