Guns & Roses III [Game over]

Creature · Post Post #1225 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:33 pm

Meh, I bet all vig shots will go straight on my townreads anyway

Creature · Post Post #1226 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:34 pm

VOTE: Amrun

This wagon dismantled pretty quick for my liking

DrDolittle · Post Post #1227 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:17 pm

VOTE: amrun

Amrun · Post Post #1228 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:19 pm

I just ISOed Iconeum in autumnal mafia, where he is scum. This play doesn’t seem impossible to be scum from him here, but there he was less assertive and pushed Menalque for being a jerk basically, not necessarily for being scummy. Different from his play here.

Idk why I bothered.... that doesn’t mean much. But whatever. I did it.

alimdia · Post Post #1229 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:20 pm

Did someone say before that Creature would get on to post when he's in trouble? I forgot who said it

GuiltyLion · Post Post #1230 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:21 pm

In post 906, Pretentious wrote:
In post 901, Salamence20 wrote:There seems to be some loud voices determined to not see Creature voted...
If creature were scum, he’d have been spamming the thread by now.

He’s town who doesn’t care.

He’ll probably spam the thread after it looks like he should care again.

alimdia · Post Post #1231 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:25 pm

What changed from:

In post 797, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 735, alimdia wrote:Please, people stop saying 'if I was scum I would do this. I didn't therefore I am town'.... Also SS's argument is shit btw, but lets not get into that again...
Finally... your spot , the counter wagon spot, what are you thinking of the people on it now? after this...

VOTE: GuilityLion

I am slightly skeptical though, because DW and texcat are both on this wagon.
like I want everyone who was suspicious of my Amrun vote (DogWatch, AaronFrost, tex, etc) as "likely scum on the Amrun wagon" to just... look at this. Just look at it. Assume that I'm town for a second and read this and tell me what you think.

to this:

In post 958, GuiltyLion wrote:at the risk of sounding crazy I'm rereading and starting to have doubts about my alimdia scumread

Is it because you have been on 2 wagons, so saying that I'm still a stronger scum read is no longer holding merit?

Also, I dont think you responded to my latest posts.

Depending on what you say I might reconsider your wagon.

GuiltyLion · Post Post #1232 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:33 pm

In post 1231, alimdia wrote:What changed from:
In post 797, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 735, alimdia wrote:Please, people stop saying 'if I was scum I would do this. I didn't therefore I am town'.... Also SS's argument is shit btw, but lets not get into that again...
Finally... your spot , the counter wagon spot, what are you thinking of the people on it now? after this...

VOTE: GuilityLion

I am slightly skeptical though, because DW and texcat are both on this wagon.
like I want everyone who was suspicious of my Amrun vote (DogWatch, AaronFrost, tex, etc) as "likely scum on the Amrun wagon" to just... look at this. Just look at it. Assume that I'm town for a second and read this and tell me what you think.
to this:
In post 958, GuiltyLion wrote:at the risk of sounding crazy I'm rereading and starting to have doubts about my alimdia scumread
Is it because you have been on 2 wagons, so saying that I'm still a stronger scum read is no longer holding merit?

Also, I dont think you responded to my latest posts.

Depending on what you say I might reconsider your wagon.

I don't understand your 2 wagons comment.

I dunno what changed specifically, I just reread you in ISO to get a sense of where the entirety of your trajectory/head was at and it suddenly made more sense to me as a town-ISO - I still dislike your push on Smart but I got the sense some of the things pinging me were more playstyle/philosophy clash than indicative of you playing to scum agenda. Like at first I thought you voting me while openly doubt-casting my wagon wrt to DW and texcat was transparently scummy, but then I challenged myself on that and figured it was almost 'too scum to be scum' because you'd have to be real brave to do that knowing that I'm a mislynch. And I agree with the DW/texcat reads so that's an opportunity to connect there.

I didn't respond to your latest posts because they're not that interesting for me to respond to? I still don't actively recall you giving any sort of substantive thought on Amrun or the votes on her - and the posts you linked are a lol-defense to that, you saying "I'm too busy to give thoughts on this right now" is not an adequate rebuttal to "alimdia didn't give thoughts on this" - but the way you're kinda stubbornly insisting that it is makes me think townie as well because scum are usually more self-conscious than that. And it's a stale point anyway, your vote sticking on me and asking people to vote me instead of Creature is saying enough to me right now about your view on the game state.

GuiltyLion · Post Post #1233 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:43 pm

I guess the best way to summarize my flip flop actually is just that I don't think all of the people still voting me are scum and you look a lot better than DW/tex

DogWatch · Post Post #1234 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:27 pm

@GL you have lately been displaying a kind of transparency that is looking more townie to me, I think you’ve been very levelheaded in defending yourself from an aggressive wagon and the more I read you the more my mind frames your posts as town perspective, if that makes sense. Your willingness to be wrong about alimida looks town considering the spot you were in at the time, I think scum would usually handle that differently?

UNVOTE: GL

DogWatch · Post Post #1235 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:32 pm

Dont like resurrecting the amrun wagon. No creature post since his return has improved his position in my mind and I think I’m parking here:

VOTE: creature

DrDolittle · Post Post #1236 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:37 pm

im sure you wont get a ticket for illegal parking dogwatch since its only gonna be like 10 hrs

DogWatch · Post Post #1237 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:40 pm

@sal, why are you TRing menal? Didn’t you dislike the DDL push and had him as a partner candidate for scum!creature?

Salamence20 · Post Post #1238 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:51 pm

Menal has been playing and his pushes have looked genuine. Scum doesnt have a reason to do that at this time.

However his stubborness on DDL over creature looks bad, ESPECIALLY because hes not here when he said hes casing DDL tonight.

He doesnt want Creature lynched and is voting someone who doesnt have a chance at being lynched tonight.

Salamence20 · Post Post #1239 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:52 pm

In post 1050, alimdia wrote:
In post 1033, Salamence20 wrote:Almida whats it going to take to get you on creature?
if creature is on L1, and deadline is <12 hours away.

Creature is v similar to textcat, DDR and DW. Idk how he got pushed over them.

Hes L-2 and its almost 12 hours.

I kept the seat warm for ya. Get on

FakeGod · Post Post #1240 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:34 pm

VoteCount 1.9

GuiltyLion [2] - texcat, alimdia
DrDolittle [1] - Menalque
Creature [6] - Salamence20, GuiltyLion, Datisi, Amrun, AaronFrost, Dogwatch
Datisi [1] - Pretentious
Salamence20 [1] - Iconeum
AaronFrost [1] - Something_Smart
Amrun [2] - Creature, DrDolittle

Not Voting [0]

-

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to be chosen.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2019-12-11 13:35:31)

Iconeum · Post Post #1241 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:08 pm

Pretentious · Post Post #1242 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:44 pm

Fuck it.

VOTE: DrDolittle

Creature and GL just look like such blatant mislynches to me.

Iconeum · Post Post #1243 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:46 pm

In post 1242, Pretentious wrote:Fuck it.

VOTE: DrDolittle

Creature and GL just look like such blatant mislynches to me.

Please explain me how you think Creature is such 'blatant' mislynch if he's still at L-2 and no signs of being lynched with 11 ish hours to deadline?

Pretentious · Post Post #1244 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:46 pm

In post 1202, Creature wrote:Datish
Amrun
DrDolittle
AaronFrost

Pick one to lynch

Fire list, Creature. Fire list.

Join DDL.

alimdia · Post Post #1245 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:47 pm

In post 1242, Pretentious wrote:Fuck it.

VOTE: DrDolittle

Creature and GL just look like such blatant mislynches to me.

So do you prefer no lynch?

alimdia · Post Post #1246 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:48 pm

In post 1233, GuiltyLion wrote:I guess the best way to summarize my flip flop actually is just that I don't think all of the people still voting me are scum and you look a lot better than DW/tex

My 2 wagons comment is that you hopped on 2 wagons after saying I'm scum and wanting to lynch them.
Amrun and Creature.

If you still say I'm scum then you're definitely scum.

alimdia · Post Post #1247 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:48 pm

In post 1239, Salamence20 wrote:
In post 1050, alimdia wrote:
In post 1033, Salamence20 wrote:Almida whats it going to take to get you on creature?
if creature is on L1, and deadline is <12 hours away.

Creature is v similar to textcat, DDR and DW. Idk how he got pushed over them.
Hes L-2 and its almost 12 hours.

I kept the seat warm for ya. Get on

Thats L2 though

alimdia · Post Post #1248 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:49 pm

Creature also said he wasn't claiming ever didn't he?

Pretentious · Post Post #1249 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:49 pm

In post 1243, Iconeum wrote:
In post 1242, Pretentious wrote:Fuck it.

VOTE: DrDolittle

Creature and GL just look like such blatant mislynches to me.
Please explain me how you think Creature is such 'blatant' mislynch if he's still at L-2 and no signs of being lynched with 11 ish hours to deadline?

I disagree there’s no signs of him being lynched. Scum are probably purposefully waiting off the wagon. DDL fits that bill.

Scum don’t pile up on wagons when it’s stalled. It’s stalled because scum are being inactive about his wagon. If he was scum there would e more friction around his wagon rather than just the stagnant. Scum are content with how the game is going right now. Town on a deadline are generally likely to just go along with it, and scum could stay off the vote count for wagonomic purposes. It’s easiest to do that early game, and is a play scum can make.