Guns & Roses III [Game over]

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hm

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can someone link me the first game?

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One player is lynched during the day as per usual, and one player is killed by the mafia during the night as per usual.

A player who picked a rose is immune to night kills during his/her chosen night.

FG: These two rules. Do kills get blocked by roses?

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i have some ~thoughts~ but they are for later today.

sally

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turns out I forgot how to play mafia
VOTE: sally

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thanks that's super nice of you menal!

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Pine getting lynched was bad town play in G&R 1

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8 or 9 roses is ideal picks, creature.

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hmm?

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oh i see. 11 town

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8 or 9 roses is ideal picks, creature.

They do nothing if they're outnumbered by scum

sorry that was supposed to be phrased as a question, as in open to discussion.

I want to argue that with 2/3 guns, we can get that number of conf towns, since its unlikely that scum pools with the gun claims - otherwise they get flushed out in the long run. 2: definitely no pooling. 3: maybe 1 scum pool? Any even so it's pretty not optimal.

This doesn't work with 2/3 roses because of the no-rose = town lose strat.

I propose mass-claim, but only after we get a bit more action. I'm thinking around 2/3 - 3/4 of day mark. Thoughts?

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this doesn't work with 5/6 guns because scum can pool safely within guns at that rate, although we do get better "double-days".

I think 1 IC should be worth 2 double-days though? + we get added bonus of safe roses.

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SS pls comment on my 137 138

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No gun should ever claim earlier than the day before they can shoot, unless forced to (and even if forced, they should claim only gun at L-1 and not what night).

I agree on "they should claim only gun at L-1 and not what night"
but I don't see the rationale of "No gun should ever claim earlier than the day before they can shoot"

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actually i may see it but I want to see whether our thoughts match up

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i also realized this game is considerably faster than I had previously thought

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amrun im glad you shifted back to your old avi

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i dont really get scum vibes from ico this game.
i could do aafrost

i might just roll through day 1 sheeping creature

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Pret you're not MLB

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Mislynch bait...

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Anyhow I found Sally's obsession with creature odd. Likes hes just a player, no?

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Rock climbing is dumb imo

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i think creature and pret are both town. hot take

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meta is trash

meta is not trash excuse you

anyhow I agree with the sentiment of the rest of the post as i came out of that game as well

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I could not be more uninterested in amrun wagon

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DDL(being weird if you ask me; also never answered why he scumreads me, probably because it has to do with my rvs vote on Datisi)/

i need to see more before laying out a case.

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Sally's post on SS is super awkward

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Also AF and DDL should tell the class why my exaggerated complaints about SS are AI

i dont have a problem w/ you not liking SS's play, but how you phrased it seems over the top and feigned?

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Oh yeah I asked DDL about his history with Icon somewhere I think

yes i played a game w/ ico in the past. he was scum i was town.

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pret are you not invested in this game because you didnt roll scum

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Creature come back and tell them I play like dogshit as town

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Amrun I'm sure we've played before your hiatus

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VOTE: gl because everyone else is too

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If it's worse than random you should just inverse your reads SS

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VOTE: texcat
After meh scrolling through some iso

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What's the counter against my taxact vote

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I have townreads on Creature ico pret menal and to a lesser degree amrun and ali.

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I voted gl. Then I read. Then I voted not gl?

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I'm not yet invested in this game I guess

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Wanna do texcat w me?

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I could do amrun for some broad boppy reasons

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Becuz your 4 vote wagon is stagnant

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VOTE: amrun
sorry

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like you're the reason why i /in'd and im hating myself for voting you, but i think there's high probability you're scum since the threshold for town you is a bit higher, and you have not met it

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@SS threshold of how town a player has to look before i call them town

@Amrun Yeah, so I really hope I'm right.

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@SS threshold of how town a player has to look before i call them town

Does that mean that you start the game scumreading everybody?

i dont know what you are trying to bait out here nor how its relevant but this question is scummy.

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its funny because im above median in post count

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i like you, menalque, but do you get tired of sounding like a broken record

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people should go back onto amrun though

she's not playing town-amrun

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i dont rly think creature is scum tbh

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amrun town is very town and I don't see that this game

the fact that she has been sus'd by other players this game also show that her-not-so-town presence is not just a one-of me feeling, nor that it is entirely scum driven.

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based on trollie's macbeth game, jason's bang mafia, and the most recent mini

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maybe you rub people off the wrong way d1 and get mislynched idk, but i recall that you are scary accurate/incisive (even in that day 4 game you replaced in), and this game, you feel just soft

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like where are you catching the bad guys? i just don't see it.
and i could understand you're wrong, but there's just nothing in the iso to see that is particularly amrun-town-y

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im holding you to a standard to be decisive on day 1, and i don't think that that is unfair standards. i don't care if you nail any of the scum, actually. but I don't see any visible decisive hunting of your part like, compared to this iso:
viewtopic.php?t=30753&f=54&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go
(granted I know it is 6 years ago)

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Idk what's the vote count, but I'm willing to vote creature at this rate

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Make that 6 I guess

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VOTE: creature

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I think there should have two scum in here:

Datisi, Amrun, DrDolittle, AaronFrost

is this just from the last 4 people that voted you or does this have any addl substance behind it

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I think I'm v mildly offended by being called a stooge, but the people that I'm being lumped together with are all right, so no harm no foul

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VOTE: aaron

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SS 1150 basically echos my thoughts

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Ok so creature1 you need to provide like 2 3 games where you perfectly read Aaron since we are in a verifiable he say she say situation

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Ok so creature1 you need to provide like 2 3 games where you perfectly read Aaron since we are in a verifiable he say she say situation

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roses remaining are town roses sally

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PS im very much planning to go to endgame tyvm

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VOTE: amrun

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im sure you wont get a ticket for illegal parking dogwatch since its only gonna be like 10 hrs

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VOTE: amrun

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probably not

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What's the play boys and girls

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Hell[ooooooooooo amrun

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i am here ama

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here's where i am at

scum reads
Amrun
AaronFrost
Dogwatch

my ?? reads
Something_Smart
texcat
Datisi

my town reads
Iconeum
Menalque
GuiltyLion
alimdia

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i strongly recommend just lynching amrun

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why are you town on amrun

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i like memes

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GL is my reads are poor why does it intersect with yours so little

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Are not poor*

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2 in 6 is roughly 3 in 9...

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guys sorry about the tunnel but i really think amrun is scum.

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does her texcat read make sense?

the answer is no

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the case that you guys are completely neglecting the prior that amrun is a strong town player

this is not the work of a strong town player. this a weak meandering day 2, followed by a weak day 1

please update correctly

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I think one of (DW, SmartyPants) is amrun's partner. The other one is probably Aaron Frost

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I've been feeling pretty good about datisi today

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PS meta is abs not trash its the only real thing left in mafia

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I am going vla for a couple of days but amrun please dont downplay your town game.

I remember you saying earlier this game your style is stirring up shit and stuff and even fi your reads are shit, the passive mannerism you are playing does not remind me of amrun town at all.

Ps I think making good fabricated reads is hard in general, especially this game because theres little variance in the townieness of players

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Like I'm not doubting that Amrun is a strong player or anything, but the case 'she isn't playing to her meta, must be scum' is shallow and surface level.

No you are right AF. Shes not playing to her meta. I should town read her

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Yikes at that high noon game

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Amrun do you think I'm mis-reading you or reading you in bad faith

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alright I gotta run for now but I have been considering another go at the DDL wagon because I haven't liked his D2 play at all - most recently the way he asked me about my comment on his reads while also claiming to townread me was kinda jank - and I think regardless of your alignment he would make sense as scum, so maybe we can come together on that one, but I'll be out for the rest of today most likely so gonna leave it at that for now, in any case I appreciate you engaging with me more directly as it feels productive

So
I shouldnt call you out for saying I have good reads when they are orthogonal to yours

I am also amazed that you think my day 1 play is stronger when I did nothing.

This whole progression makes 0 sense

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I understand both SS and amruns perspective and they come from so different mindsets that it shouldnt be theatre

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I want to do dog watch. I think dog watch is scum if amrun is and is fairly likely scum if amrun is not

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Might need to reread. Pop by later

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Yes sure do dogwatch

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It's more math. I had this list, i think if amrun is scum, then SS or dogwatch are partners. Then through the exchange I ruled out SS amrun partners, so that leaves DW. But DW is independently scummy too

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Too bad I'm not flipping scum

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Why do you think 1747 is good?

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I rarely get mad. And menal is town motivated push anyhow

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People pushing tinfoil theory is more likely town tho

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its called reevaluating.

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DDL not responding in a townie way to a tunnel is like the best scumcase i've seen this game, and I don't have anything better despite *really* looking into this game.

no when you tunnelled me that game you were very scummy. that's why i called you out on it.

find instead a game where i harped on being tunneled while town-reading the tunneller

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I could not be more uninterested in amrun wagon

I have townreads on Creature ico pret menal and to a lesser degree amrun and ali.

I could do amrun for some broad boppy reasons

VOTE: amrun
sorry

people should go back onto amrun though

she's not playing town-amrun

amrun town is very town and I don't see that this game

the fact that she has been sus'd by other players this game also show that her-not-so-town presence is not just a one-of me feeling, nor that it is entirely scum driven.

Talk me through what made you go from probsTown!Amrun to scum!Amrun in less then 13 posts?

like this progression is clear evidence of reevaluation idk what more is there to it

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unless you think im slow-rolling positioning my scumread on amrun, but that's your prerogative

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no i dont rly thing menal is scum
i thought i made that ample clear

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I could do amrun for some broad boppy reasons

amrun town is very town and I don't see that this game

the fact that she has been sus'd by other players this game also show that her-not-so-town presence is not just a one-of me feeling, nor that it is entirely scum driven.

Talk me through what made you go from probsTown!Amrun to scum!Amrun in less then 13 posts?

wow its not like its in the posts you quoted

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i like that he's taking a leadership role this game and its far off from his scum game in c9++

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its not even the leadership role, its blatantly sticking his neck out when he's clearly wrong. i don't think menalque-style-scum plays like that you know - he would give himself some form of out

idk

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well i know my role pm so i know hes wrong on his push

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no case + not in danger of getting lynched

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im reevaluating my scumread on af rn

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I think there is few scum on my wagon as they are content sitting back right now waiting out the deadline because there is no counterwagon threat.

on AF, I think this is maybe town?

if you think that scum is off wagon then can you just fucking lynch ddl with us so I can get the towncred I need to lead this game

hate to break it to you but a DDL scumflip is not how you're gonna get towncred from me

Seconding this, a find it strange that he thinks that'll get him towncred. At the same time, I think Mena knows that a DDL townflip would look bad on him so I don't think Mena is scum pushing a mislynch on town!DDL

Hmm, Datisi might be right about her tinfoil theory

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although ss and alimedia are afk so idk

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Pls lynch amrun day 3 after 2 town flips calling for her head. That is all

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What do you want me to respond to? I gave all my reads and whatnot so

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Scum game: viewtopic.php?f=50&t=81110

SS is playing bayesian updating based on creatures reads. It makes sense and is consistent. Amrun is arguing from the perspective of SS is not doing reads, which is true but not that it's wrong. They just talked over each other.

Hi datisi

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I have not given up

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What do you want to hear?

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I want to hear your deepest darkest secrets DDL

I really like jar jar binks and hoped he was ft in epsiode 3

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Well you guys have been focusing on my scum flip associtives and it's a waste of time since I'm town so I didnt read it. I still think scum is amrun dw and someone. I think it's less likely AF now. Reads roughly are the same as vvbefore except GL is a bit lower dats is higher

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Oh I also think the case that I am scum because I didnt think mena is scum and didnt mention him is bullshit, because like many people pointed out, mena should be town if I'm town and it turns out I know my role pm, so. But I said that already anyhow

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His turn on me felt out of nowhere, I feel uneasy. But I do town read the slot so I say slightly lower

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Reevaluation, amrun.
Revise and resubmit

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How town motivated it is strongly correlated with my flip, so...

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Why I was town reading you. Turns out I had no reason to