BooneyToonz XIII: To Boon or Not To Boon - [END]

[Venus and Mars]

I have that game as proof that no one is wrong just because others say so. Parroting 'you're wrong, you're wrong' doesn't make anyone wrong.

Sure, that’s NAI to say that, it still doesn’t make Bambi scum.

Neither does their role make them town, at least not by itself. Stop pretending it does.

When did I ever say I thought Bambi’s role made them town?

[Venus and Mars]

As for Bambi's role, Imma throw a nugget of my own at you: Role =/= Alignment. Assuming it does got us screwed up in that game and it won't happen again while I am still alive. You're not listening to me because you see me as a weak player, I get it. But I am quoting someone much stronger than myself here.

Don't be dunces and lynch Bambi.

I think ou’re probably town now for this but I don’t see why Bambi’s scum?

There is such a thing as bussing.

Bussing...traitor?

I was kinda waiting for Nancy to see it first but yeah, Joan is accusing me of Bussing a Traitor. Woopie.

Dude, I’m half out of it rn. Yeah but he wasn’t one, right? There are 2 scum teams right? One of 3, the other with two? Or did I completely misread AF’s role pm?

You misread. AF was in a pt with none of his buddies. He knew two of them, unclear if same pair or one from each, but probably the latter. They almost certainly didn't know he was scum.

No, I didn’t say that, I meant that there’s no traitor in this setup, correct?

[Venus and Mars]

Ehh, before I forget, guess I'll out this now:

I was on Titus last night because I thought I'd be able to confirm our Doctor, but instead... No Result.

Not "Nobody visited" or Nothing Happened, like I got with my Follower result on Chara. No Result. Very peculiar, considering only Chk would give that result from the roles we know so far. But he said he wouldn't ever be on Titus.

Let's discuss that for a bit.

So you’re saying you think Titus may have been rolestopped by chk?

[Venus and Mars]

Exactly. Bambi pushing AF doesn't clear Bambi but claiming it was bussing is poor reasoning at best. Since even as scum Bambi wouldn't know AF was traitor unless Bambi/Joan are specifically a pairing and AF was able to signal to Joan he was traitor without drew picking up on it at all.

Which is a lot of hoops to jump through.

AF was traitor.

So, because he only knows two of his buddies and not all 5? Still confused.

[Venus and Mars]

I dunno. But I doubt after Chk's reaction yesterday, including the "Never going on Titus" thing as well. So someone else doing it is possible.

The only other option is it's a similar role like Alien or the dreaded Enchantress, or I got roleblocked.

Could be since you were the main person after AF.

[Venus and Mars]

Exactly. Bambi pushing AF doesn't clear Bambi but claiming it was bussing is poor reasoning at best. Since even as scum Bambi wouldn't know AF was traitor unless Bambi/Joan are specifically a pairing and AF was able to signal to Joan he was traitor without drew picking up on it at all.

Which is a lot of hoops to jump through.

AF was traitor.

So, because he only knows two of his buddies and not all 5? Still confused.

His role PM says the scum are divided into pairs of 2. Therefore, those 4 are the "group scum" while he's the "solo scum".

Ergo, Traitor.

Oh okay but the two groups obviously don’t know each other. Ironic, since we all thought Joan was the traitor on D1.

[Venus and Mars]

Ehh, before I forget, guess I'll out this now:

I was on Titus last night because I thought I'd be able to confirm our Doctor, but instead... No Result.

Not "Nobody visited" or Nothing Happened, like I got with my Follower result on Chara. No Result. Very peculiar, considering only Chk would give that result from the roles we know so far. But he said he wouldn't ever be on Titus.

Let's discuss that for a bit.

So you’re saying you think Titus may have been rolestopped by chk?

We (well, I) did direct him to Titus last night. Let's wait for chkflip.

He could have been gambiting be claiming to be adamant about not rolestopping Titus. He lied about his initial miller claim, so why couldn’t he have lied about that too?

Especially now that Joan’s saying she healed Chemist.

[Venus and Mars]

Are you so sure you want her to out, VM? Adorable claimed to have lost the rolecop, didn't die, and was suspected by a few people. Balance of odds, this was an investigator.

Well, because AF was a scum visitor to Drew/Joan, so why aren’t you suspicious of that? I’m not suspicious of Adorable but the new visitor if that wasn’t clear.

So I took "visit" to mean someone acted on her rather than strictly the visitor role.

Of course there are non kill scum roles, but it's more likely any non kill action the recipient is willing to disclose (ie not scum powering each other up) comes from town in a role madness game.

Save outing them for mass claim.

@Adorable, did I misunderstand you then? You don’t mean new neighbour?

I got an item last night and I think someone gave it to me.

Dirty laundry?

I think someone is a loyal fruit vendor, although God only knows why they targetted me N1?

[Venus and Mars]

I didn't rolestop Titus.

I'm not arguing today.

Who were you on last night then?

[Venus and Mars]

Bambi Jay.

Have we considered the homie Ejet confided their role to VnM?

VOTE: Venus and Mars

You really haven’t learned much since mime, if you seriously think I’m ever scum here.

My tr of you is definitely decreased for this, just fyi.

You would think after being adamantly wrong on Drew, you would stop making idiotic votes.

[Venus and Mars]

Bambi Jay.

Have we considered the homie Ejet confided their role to VnM?

VOTE: Venus and Mars

Why are you voting V and M when Titus is claiming them mechanically clear? Shouldn't you vote Titus first?

It’s an extremely suspicious vote, maybe Creature is onto something? You would think after Drew flip, town!Chk wouldn’t be this recless?

[Venus and Mars]

Bambi Jay.

Have we considered the homie Ejet confided their role to VnM?

VOTE: Venus and Mars

Why are you voting V and M when Titus is claiming them mechanically clear? Shouldn't you vote Titus first?

If Chk was on me, then SOMETHING had to have happened on Titus' side, since a Rolestop would stop me from being roleblocked.

Exactly, something is seriously up with that. Chk claims to have not rolestopped Titus, so there isn’t any reason to not believe her clear.

[Venus and Mars]

If Chk was on me, then SOMETHING had to have happened on Titus' side, since a Rolestop would stop me from being roleblocked.

@Chk, who tf were you on last night?

[Venus and Mars]

Spoiler: Crumbs in reverse order

Oh I bet some are. I bet town are too. The thing about moon logic is the answer is obvious to any competent player if they put in the time. Any other possibility of who I go baking with just makes no sense.

So my best bet is to just hang out with competent town.

I am desperate not weak. This is the most frustrating game in ages. Instead of lynching Nips, we buy a perfect storm that excuses his total lack of scumhunting including a fake claim and changed claim, we ignore bambi's terrible hammer to lynch the doctor the enabler or the vig.

Shoot we might as well lynch V and M for being competent (not serious).

I believe it, I’m very surprised that you visited us though, despite the crumbs I mean obviously and chk is being a woat. That’s a seriously fucking stupid reason to sr me regardless. That’s for chk not you, just to be clear.

[Venus and Mars]

I rolestopped Bambi Jay.

I'm not really reading rn. Headache.

UNVOTE: Venus and Mars

Carry on.

Clearly, still a really dumb reason to sr me.

[Venus and Mars]

Wait so Titus didn't successfully target VnM?

VOTE: Venus and Mars

f u Fonz

If you’re town here, I am never sheeping you in any future games.

[Venus and Mars]

Wait so Titus didn't successfully target VnM?

VOTE: Venus and Mars

f u Fonz

What makes you think that? I mean her action would fail under the condition VM is town.

Fond of u too.

Exactly, that’s why chk is either scum or a woat, I’m leaning the latter but eh?

[Venus and Mars]

Wait so Titus didn't successfully target VnM?

VOTE: Venus and Mars

f u Fonz

I don't get proof unless saved from desperate somehow. I submitted the action though.

Yet, if you buy that V and M isn't clear then Nips also isn't.

His only reason for sr me is my neighbour got NK’d, so is he being an unbelievable woat here or scum?

[Venus and Mars]

Wait so Titus didn't successfully target VnM?

VOTE: Venus and Mars

f u Fonz

I don't get proof unless saved from desperate somehow. I submitted the action though.

Yet, if you buy that V and M isn't clear then Nips also isn't.

Sigh.

He means you could've been Alien/enchanted last night since my action failed.

Therefore if your action failed from an outside source VNM isn't clear in his mind.

It’s still a seriously fucking stupid reason for voting us and I’m seriously questioning now, if town!chk could seriously be this bad?

[Venus and Mars]

Why do I feel like I'm the only one who can read Chk RN?

I trust you but his reasoning for voting us is the dumbest ever and I’m extremely disappointed since I thought chk would be smarter than this.

[Venus and Mars]

VnM is literally the only person who could've known Ejet was the role they were and surmising that isn't exactly a difficult thing to come to. Faking they were cleared by the death is a classic scum fake.

I didn’t and since we’re nowhere close to LYLO, you’re reasoning is still seriously fucking dumb.

[Venus and Mars]

VnM's read on me diminishing because my vote is on them is so trashy scum as well.

Because it’s beyond fucking stupid and I thought you were a lot smarter than that.

[Venus and Mars]

If Chk was on me, then SOMETHING had to have happened on Titus' side, since a Rolestop would stop me from being roleblocked.

@Chk, who tf were you on last night?

I didn't rolestop Titus.

I'm not arguing today.

Who were you on last night then?

Well she said it twice, so I wanted to be sure she knew.

Titus is right, sorry.

[Venus and Mars]

Spoiler: Crumbs in reverse order

Oh I bet some are. I bet town are too. The thing about moon logic is the answer is obvious to any competent player if they put in the time. Any other possibility of who I go baking with just makes no sense.

So my best bet is to just hang out with competent town.

I am desperate not weak. This is the most frustrating game in ages. Instead of lynching Nips, we buy a perfect storm that excuses his total lack of scumhunting including a fake claim and changed claim, we ignore bambi's terrible hammer to lynch the doctor the enabler or the vig.

Shoot we might as well lynch V and M for being competent (not serious).

I believe it, I’m very surprised that you visited us though, despite the crumbs I mean obviously and chk is being a woat. That’s a seriously fucking stupid reason to sr me regardless. That’s for chk not you, just to be clear.

About midway toward EoD, I changed targets because I knew imploding myself was selfish and a product of mg mental illness.

*{{{HUGS}}}*

[Venus and Mars]

I hard defended a town read for a week and a half but yeah I'm absolutely the worst thing a mafia game has ever seen. Get fucked Mars.

You already did that to yourself with that moronic reasoning. Jet never outed his role to me and you are also insulting Jet as well, if you think anyone in his position would ever seriously be that dumb. God!

[Venus and Mars]

I hard defended a town read for a week and a half but yeah I'm absolutely the worst thing a mafia game has ever seen. Get fucked Mars.

This anger is overdone. V and M are a universal TR with a likely clear unless you believe enchantress.

I’m very suspicious because his only stated reason for st me is my neighbour got NK’d and after being so wrong on Drew, you’d think he would be a lot less confident.

I’m seriously having trouble believing town!chk makes this bad a vote based on that insane reasoning.

[Venus and Mars]

This anger isn't overdone when being called the worst at something by someone who bitches at everyone about reading when they cbf to read and see my claim.

Unless you’ve been clearly not reading the game, voting me solely based on my neighbour being NK’d is solid reasoning, why exactly? I’ll wait but not hold my breath and yes, you actually totally deserve that, based on that reasoning and if we were in LYLO, I could maybe understand but on D3, it’s fucking whack and I can’t believe you could be this dense.

[Venus and Mars]

This anger isn't overdone when being called the worst at something by someone who bitches at everyone about reading when they cbf to read and see my claim.

So V and M fucked up. Clearly they are flawed. So if you're town, rest assured that any woat proclamation is equally wrong and find scum.

Why can't A50 and Nips be scum together?

When did we fuck up? No, it’s not wrong. How is my neighbour being NK’d a valid reason for sr ANYONE on D freaking 3? Sometimes, if the moniker fits . . .

[Venus and Mars]

Wait so Titus didn't successfully target VnM?

VOTE: Venus and Mars

f u Fonz

I don't get proof unless saved from desperate somehow. I submitted the action though.

Yet, if you buy that V and M isn't clear then Nips also isn't.

Sigh.

He means you could've been Alien/enchanted last night since my action failed.

Therefore if your action failed from an outside source VNM isn't clear in his mind.

It’s still a seriously fucking stupid reason for voting us and I’m seriously questioning now, if town!chk could seriously be this bad?

What does scum gain from pissing you off? Nothing.

But it’s just so super bad reasoning. Like how is anyone who is actually following this game has me as their #1 sr, solely based on Jet being NK’d? But to seriously answer your question - scum!Chickadee in Necromancer. She pissed me off to this extent that I almost replaced out in that but if anyone has been making me feel as bad as I did in that game, it definitely isn’t chk.

[Venus and Mars]

Nah it's cool keep fucking insulting me. You're not the problem with mafia toxicity at all.

I’m sorry if you feel insulted, the only player who I’d actually WANT to insult in THIS game isn’t you but when someone sr you for that nutso a reason and yes it totally is on D freaking 3, how else would you categorize it?

[Venus and Mars]

I didn't say he was right, I just wanted to explain his reason.

But god, this game got more confusing. Someone update Chara's last post with the new info plz. I don't want us losing track of all these visits and added modifiers.

If it was actually a lot closer to LYLO, I’d actually not be calling him a woat for that but his sole reasoning for sr me on D3 is that my neighbour was NK’d, so in what world is that ever good reasoning?

[Venus and Mars]

Nah it's cool keep fucking insulting me. You're not the problem with mafia toxicity at all.

Chkflip, ignore it.

Talk to me. Why can't A50 and Nips be scum? Any reaction to A50 trying to lynch the doc claim?

Yeah, almost as bad as chk’s reasoning for voting me. I think it’s pretty obvious Joan is town now.

[Venus and Mars]

VnM is literally the only person who could've known Ejet was the role they were and surmising that isn't exactly a difficult thing to come to. Faking they were cleared by the death is a classic scum fake.

Can you please explain the mechanism by which you think VnM knew Ejet's role because it isn't at all clear to me.

There isn’t any. He is totally basing this off of speculation, that’s why I’m so suspicious of it.

[Venus and Mars]

VnM's read on me diminishing because my vote is on them is so trashy scum as well.

Because it’s beyond fucking stupid and I thought you were a lot smarter than that.

Chill. Town have dumb reads all the time. Even you and I.

Just because you're town doesn't mean you're entitled to a townread. You can just acknowledge he has a flaw in his thinking. Let him post without riling him up. If he has an agenda, he'll likely tell you what it is.

That isn’t even my argument. I’m saying that anyone who’s been even remotely reading the game, should not be having me as their #1 sr solely based on my neighbour being NK’d. So, I’m really appreciate you not misrepping me as well. How is calling a godddamned spade a spade/chk sr me for ridiculous reasons equate my thinking I’m “entitled to a townread”? Like seriously, how are you even getting that from my posts?

[Venus and Mars]

VnM is literally the only person who could've known Ejet was the role they were and surmising that isn't exactly a difficult thing to come to. Faking they were cleared by the death is a classic scum fake.

Can you please explain the mechanism by which you think VnM knew Ejet's role because it isn't at all clear to me.

I understood this right off.
It's a massive reach but it's in character for chk.

Despite having an unconfirmed clear on V&M and broad-based townreads, I do find the extreme sensitivity there to be a little scummy and awkward regardless of alignment. Doesn't change my TR.

If you’re referring to me, no it really isn’t because chk’s reasoning is beyond superbad. I’m sorry if I’m being insulting to chk but I have 0 tolerance for reasoning that horrible. So sorry if I upset chk but not sorry for saying his reasoning is godawful because it absolutely is.

[Venus and Mars]

Nah, just had to give it a few more seconds thought for it to be obvious.
For desperate, a failed result is a

no visit

.
This matches Bambi's result.

... It doesn't. I got No Result, not No Visit.

They are very different for different reasons.

Oh, I misunderstood what you said the result was.

It still means V&M are town given Titus is alive. Unless there is something else that can prevent that.

The alternative I brought up and Chk is running with, is someone roleblocked Titus via an Alien or Enchantress or whatever.

So theoretically they aren't cleared, since my result brings doubt to it. Minor, but there.

I can pretty much guarandamntee we’re never getting mislynched in this game, so I’m not worried in the slightest.

[Venus and Mars]

I thought scumreads on Drew were sketchy all along. I tried not to resort to calling them dumb. Generally speaking I'm trying not to think of scumreads on me that way either. Just a suggestion on how to view things.

I never called chk dumb, just his reasoning. In fact, I consider chk to be extremely smart - too smart to have this bad a reason for sr me.

[Venus and Mars]

VnM is literally the only person who could've known Ejet was the role they were and surmising that isn't exactly a difficult thing to come to. Faking they were cleared by the death is a classic scum fake.

Can you please explain the mechanism by which you think VnM knew Ejet's role because it isn't at all clear to me.

They claimed neighborhood partner post flip.

So? I also misread Jet’s flip and wrongly thought I was IC, your point?

[Venus and Mars]

I hard defended a town read for a week and a half but yeah I'm absolutely the worst thing a mafia game has ever seen. Get fucked Mars.

You already did that to yourself with that moronic reasoning. Jet never outed his role to me and you are also insulting Jet as well, if you think anyone in his position would ever seriously be that dumb. God!

Nancy for the love of God stop.

I honestly don’t mean to be toxic and I have nothing personally against chk but his reasoning IS bad and I’m never going to stop saying that. Bad logic offends me sorry, it’s been that way since I was a kid and drove the teachers insane.

And wrt to Jet, who in their right mind tells their unconfirmed/not mech cleared neighbour that their a freaking cop enabler? No matter that they hard tr me. No one is seriously that stupid. Because if the situation was reversed, even if I believed Jet to be 99.9999% town, there is absolutely no protown reason for him to have done this and you don’t risk that epic level of gamethrowing unless you’re 100% sure. I definitely wouldn’t anyway.

[Venus and Mars]

OK but what is this reasoning that is a massive reach?

Theory: V&M and EJet in a hood. EJet confides his role. Scum!V&M arranges a kill there.
It's a reach because
1) Don't think scum are in hoods with town based on AF flip
2) Scum are split into even/odd nights which reduces the chances of the theory by 50% right off the top
3) V&M obvtown by posting and soft cleared by Titus

4) Don't think EJet would confide such an important role

(weak reasoning but still...)

+1

Bingo!

[Venus and Mars]

It's good homie I'm literally not reading their posts rn and probably for the foreseeable future. Calling me the worst, a moron, a dipshit, stupid, etc are all fine and good but if I called her an egotistical bitch who flails at the first sign of not being as obvtown as she wants to be read then I'm the problem, right? Right.

So I'm just going to ignore her.

*Sigh* for the last fucking time, I never called YOU any of those things. I said that about your REASONING. I’m shocked because I actually think the exact OPPOSITE of you in fact. I expect your reasoning to be a lot better thzn this, based on playing with you previously. But since you obviously wrongly misinterpreted what I actually DID say, I sincerely apologize for offending you. I never ever want to make anyone feel bad unless they’ve actually done something to deserve it and you obviously haven’t. So I’m truly sorry. I have a great deal of difficulty holding my tongue in the case of what I consider to be specious reasoning, not that that’s any excuse however. It has gotten me into trouble in the past, because it’s extremely hard for me to just let bad reasoning slide.

[Venus and Mars]

OK but what is this reasoning that is a massive reach?

Theory: V&M and EJet in a hood. EJet confides his role. Scum!V&M arranges a kill there.
It's a reach because
1) Don't think scum are in hoods with town based on AF flip
2) Scum are split into even/odd nights which reduces the chances of the theory by 50% right off the top
3) V&M obvtown by posting and soft cleared by Titus
4) Don't think EJet would confide such an important role (weak reasoning but still...)

Yeah here's the problem: I couldn't find any reference in either ISO to them being in a hood, nor does chara's claims post mention it. So I'm sat here being like "When did they claim neighbors?"

I thought I did claim it?

[Venus and Mars]

OK but what is this reasoning that is a massive reach?

Theory: V&M and EJet in a hood. EJet confides his role. Scum!V&M arranges a kill there.
It's a reach because
1) Don't think scum are in hoods with town based on AF flip
2) Scum are split into even/odd nights which reduces the chances of the theory by 50% right off the top
3) V&M obvtown by posting and soft cleared by Titus
4) Don't think EJet would confide such an important role (weak reasoning but still...)

5) Even if they did, Scum V and M would ensure that Chara wasn't imploding a traitor/mislynch just saying.

???

I’m even more clueless about this game than I realized,

[Venus and Mars]

@Titus:

Did you receive an item night 1?

No.

Scratch that. I got a dead fish.

So, I think I’m right then about there being some variation of a loyal fruit vendor? But why are they sending us, you, Adorable, me such nasty gifts?

@Adorable, was your prezzie disgusting too?

[Venus and Mars]

This anger isn't overdone when being called the worst at something by someone who bitches at everyone about reading when they cbf to read and see my claim.

So V and M fucked up. Clearly they are flawed. So if you're town, rest assured that any woat proclamation is equally wrong and find scum.

Why can't A50 and Nips be scum together?

When did we fuck up? No, it’s not wrong. How is my neighbour being NK’d a valid reason for sr ANYONE on D freaking 3? Sometimes, if the moniker fits . . .

Technically you missed chkflip's claim the first time he made it.

It's a terrible reason but town tend to have bad reasons.

No, I know he fakeclaimed miller and claimed rolestop on A50 N1 and RS’d Bambi N2. I meant the moniker with a “w”, if that wasn’t clear.

[Venus and Mars]

Adorable, did you get any role modifiers?

She claimed to have been visited, if that helps.

Oh I see, you Titus, Adorable and us are all cleared by this.

[Venus and Mars]

Adorable, did you get any role modifiers?

She claimed to have been visited, if that helps.

Oh I see, Titus, Adorable and us are all cleared by this.

[Venus and Mars]

Am I understanding Titus/Nancy/adorable all claim receiving fish the same night?

Oh wait, you’re right. @Adorable, what did you receive last night?

Well Titus and I are anyway. No, I received dirty laundry on N1, remember?

[Venus and Mars]

Titus got it n1, Adorable n2 Assumedly, dunno about Nancy.

N1?

So, I’m legit confused now? Does fv get to send multiple gifts on the same night?

[Venus and Mars]

Lmfao, someone sent us a weird prezzie. I mean know I was whining about being left out of the secret Santa thing but dafuq?

[Venus and Mars]

Titus got it n1, Adorable n2 Assumedly, dunno about Nancy.

If Nancy got it the same night, odd. Different object samd night different role

I didn’t receive a dead fish, I received dirty laundry N1, also anonymous.

[Venus and Mars]

One of them said it's Loyal based and they ran with it.

It seems logical, since because what else is the point an anonymous fruit vendor? Like I know I’m town and I’d bet the game on Titus also being town, so Adorable should also be cleared by that. But someone else should have also received some DL N2, who tf knows with Boon?

[Venus and Mars]

There's also a character named Falstaff who hides in dirty laundry in a Shakespeare play. So it's flavor accurate. Idk wtf it means but it's flavor accurate.

Which play?

[Venus and Mars]

There's also a character named Falstaff who hides in dirty laundry in a Shakespeare play. So it's flavor accurate. Idk wtf it means but it's flavor accurate.

Which play?

Titus flavour claimed Julius Caesar. I don’t recall anything about fish in that - dead or otherwise?

[Venus and Mars]

Laundry is maybe odd night? Idk.

Pedit: Idk which play. I Google searched "dirty laundry Shakespeare" and got what I got. Same with "dead fish Shakespeare" for the quote from the play earlier.

I found the DL one:

[Falstaff leaves to keep his appointment and Ford soliloquizes that he is right to suspect his wife and that the trusting Page is a fool. When Falstaff arrives to meet Mistress Ford, the merry wives trick him into hiding in a laundry basket ("buck basket") full of filthy, smelly clothes awaiting laundering.
Author: William Shakespeare
Genre: Comedy
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Th...
The Merry Wives of Windsor - Wikipedia

But if not loyal then why did I receive this?

[Venus and Mars]

Laundry is maybe odd night? Idk.

Pedit: Idk which play. I Google searched "dirty laundry Shakespeare" and got what I got. Same with "dead fish Shakespeare" for the quote from the play earlier.

I found the DL one:

[Falstaff leaves to keep his appointment and Ford soliloquizes that he is right to suspect his wife and that the trusting Page is a fool. When Falstaff arrives to meet Mistress Ford, the merry wives trick him into hiding in a laundry basket ("buck basket") full of filthy, smelly clothes awaiting laundering.
Author: William Shakespeare
Genre: Comedy
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Th...
The Merry Wives of Windsor - Wikipedia

But if not loyal then why did I receive this?

Is whomever sent this maybe an oracle then? Hinting that I’m somehow being tricked or something?

[Venus and Mars]

Found the fish one too:

Search Results
Imagehttps://www.sparknotes.com › tempest
Web results
No Fear Shakespeare: The Tempest: Act 2 Scene 2 Page 2 - SparkNotes
Dead or alive? A fish. He smells like a fish, a very ancient and fish-like smell, a kind of not-of-the-newest poor-john. A strange fish!

[Venus and Mars]

Found the fish one too:

Search Results
Imagehttps://www.sparknotes.com › tempest
Web results
No Fear Shakespeare: The Tempest: Act 2 Scene 2 Page 2 - SparkNotes
Dead or alive? A fish. He smells like a fish, a very ancient and fish-like smell, a kind of not-of-the-newest poor-john. A strange fish!

Sounds like Titus and Adorable are also being warned.

All 3 of us are wronlgly tr the same player?

[Venus and Mars]

Interesting. A50, Chk, whatever is still Eon, please reveal your flavour and yes this is important.

All the world's a stage,

And all the men and women merely players:

They have their exits and their entrances;

And one man in his time plays many parts

One King to find them
One King to divide them
One King to bring them all
And in the darkness bind them

- Macbeth, i, iii

Spoiler:

I just had to go with the flow

~Long love the Queen (Except for Freddie. RIP)

Is Henry VIII your flavour?

[Venus and Mars]

@A50, I really don’t gaf whether or not you hate me, I still need this question answered.

[Venus and Mars]

So who were I and Titus wrongly tr D1 and Adorable wrongly tr D2? Could this be some sort of clue?

[Venus and Mars]

It appears I forgot to edit 2936, but I'll leave it at that crumb.

P-edit: I have no proof/knowledge of anything. I just targeted him and I was recharged.

[Venus and Mars]

Have you paid royalties on that moonlogic?

So you think we were all sent these things ANONYMOUSLY for absolutely no reason whatsoever?

[Venus and Mars]

Both Shakespeare references seem like some sort of warning? You really think that’s just a coincidence?

[Venus and Mars]

I was a fan of my smelly fruit idea, but then the laundry came out.

Nancy, what are you?

You received laundry N2?

[Venus and Mars]

I never inferred that at all, anf Chk rolestopped me anyway, so there's no way I did even if they sent it to me.

Right, so what did you mean by it then? Both the laundry and fish reference seem to be referring to a character that is either tricky or odd, so could be two different people or the same but. out of all of the Shakespeare references, those were the two that got sent? Quite a coincidence if you ask me.

[Venus and Mars]

Laundry is maybe odd night? Idk.

Pedit: Idk which play. I Google searched "dirty laundry Shakespeare" and got what I got. Same with "dead fish Shakespeare" for the quote from the play earlier.

I found the DL one:

[Falstaff leaves to keep his appointment and Ford soliloquizes that he is right to suspect his wife and that the trusting Page is a fool. When Falstaff arrives to meet Mistress Ford, the merry wives trick him into hiding in a laundry basket ("buck basket") full of filthy, smelly clothes awaiting laundering.
Author: William Shakespeare
Genre: Comedy
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Th...
The Merry Wives of Windsor - Wikipedia

But if not loyal then why did I receive this?

Is whomever sent this maybe an oracle then? Hinting that I’m somehow being tricked or something?

Someone sent me a message that I’m being taken to the cleaners?

[Venus and Mars]

You kinda side stepped claiming your role.

Are we doing a mass claim?

[Venus and Mars]

Well I recommend it since only you, haggle, and Fishie now don't have claims.

The problem is once I claim, I have no choice but to act on it and I think it’s better to wait until I have a clear idea who I want to lynch.

[Venus and Mars]

Missed Fonz. So 4 of you outta 16.

Dunno what else to hide since now I feel with the knowlegde of a possible Enchantress we gotta know who's lying from their actions and claims.

It'll also help me and Creature since he can Track and I can Follow.

I very much doubt my claiming today will help anyone other than scum.

[Venus and Mars]

Missed Fonz. So 4 of you outta 16.

Dunno what else to hide since now I feel with the knowlegde of a possible Enchantress we gotta know who's lying from their actions and claims.

It'll also help me and Creature since he can Track and I can Follow.

I very much doubt my claiming today will help anyone other than scum.

unless I have an accurate sr, which unfortunately I don’t yet.

[Venus and Mars]

Chaaaarrraaaa why did you have to die I miss you already. </3

Chara pretty much locktowned me.

[Venus and Mars]

Well I recommend it since only you, haggle, and Fishie now don't have claims.

The problem is once I claim, I have no choice but to act on it and I think it’s better to wait until I have a clear idea who I want to lynch.

Guess you can claim last then. Hmm.

Role Madness is hard.

I think you’ll very likely be kicking yourself for not waiting until D5 or even 4 to ask me this but don’t blame me then for your mistake, is all I’m going to say about it now.

[Venus and Mars]

I don't regret much besides hammering day 1 and getting a bad rep for it.

You still might because my reads would likely be a lot better on D5 then now, so yes, odds are reasonably you might be regretting wanting me to claim prematurely. So, you will have mostly yourself to blame for that.

[Venus and Mars]

I'm not making you claim, jeez. God.

No but now we have better than rand odds of being NK’d tonight thanks to you. :/

[Venus and Mars]

Both NKs haven't been random, we just don't know why Ej was N1.

Yet.

I wish I knew. He could just be a low info kill like I forget who said or it could still point to Nips if A50 was lying, since Nips claimed miller, he couldn’t have been mistaken.

[Venus and Mars]

I'm not making you claim, jeez. God.

No but now we have better than rand odds of being NK’d tonight thanks to you. :/

I'm not the one being dramatic about it and making it more obvious.

If we don't assume your scum who shot your neighbor (which I doubt) then Scum seem ready to kill non-claimers first. Townie non-claimers at that.

Scum had 0 reason to kill me before I responded to your claim question.

[Venus and Mars]

I'm not making you claim, jeez. God.

No but now we have better than rand odds of being NK’d tonight thanks to you. :/

I'm not the one being dramatic about it and making it more obvious.

If we don't assume your scum who shot your neighbor (which I doubt) then Scum seem ready to kill non-claimers first. Townie non-claimers at that.

Scum had 0 reason to kill me before I responded to your claim question.

If I do claim anything it won’t be before much closer to EoD, because like I said, once I do, I pretty much have to act on it.

[Venus and Mars]

... Then why did you respond?

I feel like your blaming me a little too much here.

You accused me of “sidestepping” it. How was I supposed to respond to that?

[Venus and Mars]

... Then why did you respond?

I feel like your blaming me a little too much here.

You accused me of “sidestepping” it. How was I supposed to respond to that?

And yeah ngl, I am pissed at you, because it would have been likely be far more optimal to have had this discussion on D5 or even D4.

[Venus and Mars]

By sidestepping it again, or going "titus cleared me",instead of full blown paranoia.

What “paranoia”? I think you were being bad town, I obviously hard tr you.

[Venus and Mars]

By sidestepping it again, or going "titus cleared me",instead of full blown paranoia.

What “paranoia”? I think you were being bad town, I obviously hard tr you.

I’m pretty sure she did but I still don’t understand why you got no results though.

[Venus and Mars]

Stop talking about it then, Jesus Christ.

I was just trying to solve some mysteries, not dig up a trench made by Area 51.

Like it matters now? the damage has probably already been done.

[Venus and Mars]

@Everyone, please tell me who your PoE is and in which order.

Thanks.

[Venus and Mars]

I was trying to figure that out from the other roles. Then I Appearantly got you to be the NK target.

Tell me honestly, if you were scum reading this, I wouldn’t be your first choice now?

[Venus and Mars]

Would you be my NK target?

Hmm.

I think I would still take Titus at this point if I was the killer since Chemist hides today.

Do you agree with Dave that my interpretation of the Shakespeare references were “moonlogicy” or do you think they actually mean something, because I don’t know why else an anonymous fruit vender sends these things, if not loyal?

[Venus and Mars]

Town: Davesaz, Haggle, Chemist, Joan, Titus, Venus & Mars, 50

Scum : Amrun, Aaron, and I've already explained why.

I don't think Amrun or Aaron are scum together and if one of them does flip scum then the other looks like it will be town.

The players underneath are the ones I'm still sorting.

Drew, BEF, Chara, Creature, Bambi, RCE, flippynips.

[Venus and Mars]

I gave my thought process with the smelly fruit. And we already got 5 "cops" including the desperates. A loyal fruit vendor seems like another super strong investigative with what we already have revealed so I don't really believe it.

But when have you ever heard of an anonymous fruit vendor? There is literally no reason for this role to exist if either not a loyal or an oracle, especially based on those Shakespeare references. Back to tr chk for mentioning that, since I can’t imagine scum giving out that kind of info.

[Venus and Mars]

Insults are bad.

That's not a bloody insult. It's a fact. Like, Chara -for instance- is far better at tone reading while I am far better at mechanical play, and it's no insult to either me or them to state that fact.

Great. Well I am a mechanical and data driven player, so fuck you.

So A50 clearly got me mixed up with you.

[Venus and Mars]

Why are you saying anonymous fruit vendor, like anonymous is something special.
All FV are anonymous until they decide to tell who they targeted.

No, in ND, I was informed who sent me the fruit obviously no one has but before chk mentioned those Shakespeare references, there was literally no reason for me to think it anything other than a loyal, now I think it’s likely some clue.

[Venus and Mars]

Why are you saying anonymous fruit vendor, like anonymous is something special.
All FV are anonymous until they decide to tell who they targeted.

I didn't want to say it the snarky way like "everyone has an anonymous role until they claim it" but yeah.

Your getting the Shakespeare quotes mixed in because of flavor. I think the quotes are just bonuses.

There are like a gazillion Shakespeare quotes that I, Titus and Adorable could have gotten but we get the ones suggesting someone is being tricked or odd?

@BEF I still think your town but I need to rule you out, so please claim

, thanks.

Are you some sort of fruit vendor?

[Venus and Mars]

With so many roles that do things, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the FV exist only to give a rolecop something normal to see once in a while.
Assuming it has to have a purpose is a good way to start down a wifom rabbit hole.

Maybe they do have meaning, I can't rule it out. But we're better off worrying about that when there is an indication it's more than just fun flavor.

Well since there’s better than rand odds, we’re dying tonight, I need to figure this out today.

[Venus and Mars]

BTW fun historical fact that has nothing to do with this game.
I caught Titus as scum once because she started bringing up unusual theories for no reason at all.
You're obviously different people so I certainly don't scumread you here, but if this had been Titus I'd be digging up that old reference.

That would still be NAI for Titus though. Her bringing up bad theories that make 0 sense and an illogical response to the reactions to that otoh, I would read as possibly scum indicative.

[Venus and Mars]

"Flavor doesn't have an effect on alignment". Does what your saying qualify as alignment indicative, Nancy?

I’m not talking about flavour, I’m talking about the Shakespeare references, although Jet did think flavour and role we’re definitely related and I agreed with that.

[Venus and Mars]

Possibly. @Bambi, unless you think those Shakespeare references are scum wifom?

[Venus and Mars]

The references seem to be for flavor, not alignment? You've lost me, I admit.

How? So whomever sent me the DL, was flavour crumming Falstaff?

[Venus and Mars]

Found the fish one too:

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Imagehttps://www.sparknotes.com › tempest
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No Fear Shakespeare: The Tempest: Act 2 Scene 2 Page 2 - SparkNotes
Dead or alive? A fish. He smells like a fish, a very ancient and fish-like smell, a kind of not-of-the-newest poor-john. A strange fish!

Does anyone know who the

He

whom is being referenced here according to the play?

[Venus and Mars]

Perhaps that's just apart of the dirty laundry itself. It wouldn't have an extra meaning. From the role PMs flipped so far we all have a Shakespeare quote in em. It's just flavor.

Yeah but 3 people were sent those things, so there has to be some reason?

[Venus and Mars]

I still think A50 is scum via play but I am not confident in any read I have after drew flip.

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

StickyFruit Vendor
Spoiler:
At night, you will give your target a "Sticky Fruit". They will be informed that they have received a Sticky Fruit, but not who they received it from. They will be informed that they may pass it along the following night. Any player given a Sticky Fruit will be immune to all actions, EXCEPT for killing actions, the night they receive the fruit.

Listen guys I have proof that a variant of this role exists n in this setup. Someone. I have no clue who or what alignment, sent me dirty laundry.

Were you told that you could pass it along the following night?

No, I was obviously mistaken, it’s probably a variant of regular fruit vendor - except it’s anonymous - so if it doesn’t actually do anything/confirm a slot. wtfs the point of the role even existing or being used. I have no clue.

It could be modifier tied. But if no one's come forward it's likely not a guilty so not worth outing over.

Yeah but I'm talking loyal/disloyal or something similar. Not something you would get feedback from just by getting the fruit.

This is why I thought the DL thing was a loyal but after Amrun’s claim, I’m starting to doubt if the flavour means anything.

[Venus and Mars]

Basically Almost, can you tell me what your thoughts on Chk's reasoning against Nancy along with what you think of Amrun now knowing they're a fruit vendor?

chkflp reasoning makes a lot of sense. I may not be ready to fully endorse it, but it makes sense none-the-less.

As for Amrun, I don't have a solid read on her. Sometimes I think she's Town and sometimes I don't. In other words, my read on her is going up and down like a sinus rhythm.

[Venus and Mars]

Well Nancy shouldnt make it so obvious then while telling me I was stupud for even talking to her about it for a second.

Lets discuss this So Nancy atleast shoots the right person. Heck, maybe Shiro will come in too. We gotta be through.

Will you please stop already? God! Haven’t you done enough?

[Venus and Mars]

I’m oh shit I am so sorry, I am prospero. I just remembered the P.

There's her flavor, Almost.

So you don't know Lorenzo Lamasr too??? Wait (I've linked his page on IMDB)

But WAIT! He also was in a series called RENEGADE!

chkflp is SCUM, guys. He was asking Amrun is she was the Renegade!!! I guess he does BLOCK his target (myself and Jay)

Note: Just because Creature was proven right doesn't mean he's less boring.

VOTE: chkflp

Legit...

He asked Amrun if she was Lorenzo Lamas, and I thought it was a joke bc I didn't know about that TV series. It's on Lorenzo's page (ran between 1992-1997) so I get it now. IF Amrun is scum, she's not in chkflp's PT

What does Lorenzo Lamas have to do with anything?

[Venus and Mars]

Note: Just because Creature was proven right doesn't mean he's less boring.

Yah whatever at least I'm doing my job

Your job is to tell us you're bored, tired and can't sleep??? Or is it to NOT READ and come ask who claimed what and whom to lynch??? WOW! Boon

really

must've crossed the line on this one. I'll have a few harsh words for him post-game.

What do you want me to do? Shit on Bambi?

Her play here kind of reminds of YGM when FL kept wanting to know how many commuter shots my hydra had left.

[Venus and Mars]

If such a role called town muzzler existed, I’d 100% use it on Bambi.

[Venus and Mars]

I’m oh shit I am so sorry, I am prospero. I just remembered the P.

There's her flavor, Almost.

So you don't know Lorenzo Lamasr too??? Wait (I've linked his page on IMDB)

But WAIT! He also was in a series called RENEGADE!

chkflp is SCUM, guys. He was asking Amrun is she was the Renegade!!! I guess he does BLOCK his target (myself and Jay)

Note: Just because Creature was proven right doesn't mean he's less boring.

VOTE: chkflp

Legit...

He asked Amrun if she was Lorenzo Lamas, and I thought it was a joke bc I didn't know about that TV series. It's on Lorenzo's page (ran between 1992-1997) so I get it now. IF Amrun is scum, she's not in chkflp's PT

What does Lorenzo Lamas have to do with anything?

But that could actually make sense, considering Bambi’s no results. If she was rolestopped than how could she have gotten a “no results” result on Titus? I knew something wasn’t adding up about that but if you were blocked, then why didn’t you get refunded?

[Venus and Mars]

Well Nancy shouldnt make it so obvious then while telling me I was stupud for even talking to her about it for a second.

Lets discuss this So Nancy atleast shoots the right person. Heck, maybe Shiro will come in too. We gotta be through.

Hi~

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

If such a role called town muzzler existed, I’d 100% use it on Bambi.

And take away my primal quality?

If you ever do this to me in another game, I will for real, put you on ignore.

[Venus and Mars]

Relax Nancy, Bambi is cool.

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

Honestly if I figured it out, then scum did too. You could've fake claimed or just stopped talking then. Sigh.

Sorry but we gotta make due now.

I will be honest A50 is probably not living to see night time

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

Ooh, that's a.... Interesting manuveur.

I know right? All this thing is all too good to be true as if wet up. Nips is even mech cleared with him and not even one attempt at their life. It kind of make me thing they might disappear :p

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

Well Shiro with you at the helm, I trust your judgement.

You do? That's weird. I don't trust myself in the least xD

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

If you get roleblocked you get your charge vack, and only then?

No. If my action "doesn't go through" I get recharged.

My action doesn't go through if I was Roleblocked

, or if my target is Ascetic, or if they do NOT return a guilty to a Cop. My action ONLY goes through if my target

returns a guilty to an investigative

.

However, I die ONLY if my target IS Scum (Millers do NOT kill me)

How could you have been rb’d and NOT get refunded?

[Venus and Mars]

Hey Bambi, hypothetically speaking if you had a vig shot who would you kill? Hypothetically speaking

[Venus and Mars]

Holy mother of God we have 1k+ posts

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

Hey Bambi, hypothetically speaking if you had a vig shot who would you kill? Hypothetically speaking

This was Venus btw obv.

[Venus and Mars]

Flavor will go here late tomorrow, after day start.



____________


Act 3 Begins!!!

AaronFrost

has died! He was a...

Spoiler:

Evil Magical Disguise Lords of the Boonski’i

Welcome,

AaronFrost

, you are

Brutus

,

Split Willbooster Party Crasher

.

Be not deceived. If I have veiled my look, I turn the trouble of my countenance Merely upon myself. Vexèd I am Of late with passions of some difference, Conceptions only proper to myself, Which give some soil perhaps to my behaviors. But let not therefore, my good friends, be grieved— Among which number, Cassius, be you one— Nor construe any further my neglect Than that poor Brutus, with himself at war, Forgets the shows of love to other men.

i;ii Julius Caesar

Abilities:

• You are a

Willbooster

. This will make whoever you target unable to be blocked.
• You are a

Party Crasher

. At night, you may target someone. If you target someone in a private thread, you will join that private thread.
• You have the

Split

modifier. If you have the ability to do so, you MUST use at least 2 actions on at least 2 different players.
• You know that there are a total of 5 Evil Magical Disguise Lords of the Boonski’i. Your teammates are separated into 2 different Evil Lairs in pairs, one pair kills on Odd-Nights, one pair kills on Even-Nights. They will combine Evil Lairs when a certain condition has been met. You know that

REDACTED

and

REDACTED

are 2 of your partners. Your Party Crash ability will

NOT

succeed by targeting them, but they will work on your other 2 partners. However, if you are to be killed by the factional kill, you will instead be recruited into the Evil Lair Private Thread and be able to make the factional kill. If you somehow find yourself as the last Evil Lord alive, you will join the Evil Lair Private Thread and be able to make the factional kill.

Win condition:

You win when all of the Bard’s Battalion have died, or nothing can prevent this from happening.

Game thread is here. Confirm by replying to this PM with your role name.

Chara

has died! They were a...

Spoiler:

Bard’s Battalion

Welcome,

Chara

, you are

Othello

,

Non-consecutive Babysitter

.

Even so my bloody thoughts with violent pace
Shall ne’er look back, ne’er ebb to humble love.

iii;iii Othello

Abilities:

• You are a

Babysitter

. At night, you may target a player. You will protect them from a night kill. If you are to be killed, you will kill your target as well.
• You have the

Non-Consecutive

modifier. You may not use your ability 2 nights in a row.

Win condition:

You win when all threats to the Bard’s Battalion have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.

Game thread is here. Confirm by replying to this PM with your role name.

We have a rolestopper and a willibooster?

[Venus and Mars]

I'd suspect one of the JOATs or Amrun. Maybe Adorable as a Rolecop, but I dunno that one seems the most townie.

Yea I don't trust RCR in the least tbh

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

I'd suspect one of the JOATs or Amrun. Maybe Adorable as a Rolecop, but I dunno that one seems the most townie.

Creature’s fail on A50 fits with either A50 getting williboosted or rolestopped.

But if you were rolestopped, then why did your actions on Titus fail?

[Venus and Mars]

Hey A50, how do u feel about being not alive?

Very no?

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

How do you feel about A50, Nips and Rce with potentially adorable as last?

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

That's pretty much where I am right now.

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

Hey A50, how do u feel about being not alive?

Very no?

~Venus

If you get roleblocked you get your charge vack, and only then?

No. If my action "doesn't go through" I get recharged.

My action doesn't go through if I was Roleblocked

, or if my target is Ascetic, or if they do NOT return a guilty to a Cop. My action ONLY goes through if my target

returns a guilty to an investigative

.

However, I die ONLY if my target IS Scum (Millers do NOT kill me)

How could you have been rb’d and NOT get refunded?

Thanks so much for explaining this @A50 and being otherwise so extremely helpful.

[Venus and Mars]

How do you feel about A50, Nips and Rce with potentially adorable as last?

~Venus

I think RCE is town and why does Adorable kill Chara?

[Venus and Mars]

That's what were trying to figure out, and since Fishie hinted about doing the laundry, it's probably Fonzy if we trust every claim.

Well it makes sense since he locktowned me. BEF, I mean.

[Venus and Mars]

He just said he gets his charge back if his action fails, Dave. He wouldn't say this if he didn't actually believe it.

Boon

explicitly

told me this, He said I'd get recharged if I was blocked

, if I targeted an Ascetic, or if my target does not come across as Scum. He literally mentioned "blocked" in his explanation.

So chk couldn’t possibly have blocked you then?

Why do you keep changing your claims?

[Venus and Mars]

Boy A50 is ignoring me, I preferred Bambi ignoring me

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

Boy A50 is ignoring me, I preferred Bambi ignoring me

~Venus

He is posting a gazillion smileys rather than answer a simple renegade question.

[Venus and Mars]

Boy A50 is ignoring me, I preferred Bambi ignoring me

~Venus

When I ignore you it's cuz you deserve it or I want you to sweat a bit. Luv you regardless tho.

<3

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

Hey A50, how do u feel about being not alive?

Very no?

~Venus

It would please me more than you think. At least I won't have to be in the same thread as you two.

GO AHEAD AND SHOOT ME YOU COWARD WUSS! It would make me go

Well someone posturing. Relax I am waiting for boon to confirm if the day ends or not. You won't see night time.

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

Hey A50, how do u feel about being not alive?

Very no?

~Venus

It would please me more than you think. At least I won't have to be in the same thread as you two.

GO AHEAD AND SHOOT ME YOU COWARD WUSS! It would make me go

You seriously think we’re being “cowards” here? then the joke is truly on you in that case. LMFAO

[Venus and Mars]

Boy A50 is ignoring me, I preferred Bambi ignoring me

~Venus[/quote

If I had read this before I posted I would have continued to ignore you. My bad.

Aaaaw adorable.

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

Boy A50 is ignoring me, I preferred Bambi ignoring me

~Venus[/quote

If I had read this before I posted I would have continued to ignore you. My bad.

There’s really no justification for you being as ass to Shiro, not that there ever was to me either but Shiro 100% never deserves this from ANYONE!

[Venus and Mars]

Boy A50 is ignoring me, I preferred Bambi ignoring me

~Venus[/quote

If I had read this before I posted I would have continued to ignore you. My bad.

There’s really no justification for you being as ass to Shiro, not that there ever was to me either but Shiro 100% never deserves this from ANYONE!

I find it cute actually

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

He doesnt really believe he is dying that is why he is acting up like that, it is adorable.

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

I warned you before already, but you're pushing it too far. Go get a dildo or something.

There there it will all be over soon.

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

Almost, serious talk, what's going on here?

He is scum trying to make us feel bad to not shoot him. Solid tactic really. It is possibly that after this display one would think that, no way scum him would go that far, it funny becuase me an A50 have like what? 3 games together. One where he misvigged me and Frozen Angel. it would actually be pretty ironic if I do the same. I wont but it would be funny.

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

In fact it worked before, Nancy told me there is no way he would pull that off as scum because they are friends. I disagree. The game is a game and you should leave your feelings at the door when you enter. Everything goes and all is fine afterwards in my book.


P.edit

She called me an ass, if that's what you mean. If it's about Shiro, he's a poor excuse for a Mafia player who ALWAYS SR me. I suspect he secretly reads games I;m in and he;s not and mumbles "A50 is scum. Lynch A50 already"

xD Priceless xD We townread you in bloodboirn you killed us. I swapped my read halfway in steven universe and swore you are town.

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

I am a bad player though that is true


~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

I warned you before already, but you're pushing it too far. Go get a dildo or something.

But we have you?

[Venus and Mars]

She called me an ass, if that's what you mean. If it's about Shiro, he's a poor excuse for a Mafia player who ALWAYS SR me. I suspect he secretly reads games I;m in and he;s not and mumbles "A50 is scum. Lynch A50 already"

And you are wrong, I enter in every game you are in with secret alts just to push you

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

I do believe it, you moron. I am wishing for it. I don't want to be in the same game as you and your partner EVER.

Did Shiro ever say anything to you even remotely insulting?

[Venus and Mars]

She called me an ass, if that's what you mean. If it's about Shiro, he's a poor excuse for a Mafia player who ALWAYS SR me. I suspect he secretly reads games I;m in and he;s not and mumbles "A50 is scum. Lynch A50 already"

Yeah because you’re picking on Shiro and when I call you out on it, you insult a dead woman? Seriously wtf’s wrong with you?

[Venus and Mars]

I do not feel picked on D: I find this funny, honest.

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

In fact it worked before, Nancy told me there is no way he would pull that off as scum because they are friends. I disagree. The game is a game and you should leave your feelings at the door when you enter. Everything goes and all is fine afterwards in my book.


P.edit

She called me an ass, if that's what you mean. If it's about Shiro, he's a poor excuse for a Mafia player who ALWAYS SR me. I suspect he secretly reads games I;m in and he;s not and mumbles "A50 is scum. Lynch A50 already"

xD Priceless xD We townread you in bloodboirn you killed us. I swapped my read halfway in steven universe and swore you are town.

~Venus

No, we’re definitely not friends anymore Shiro and whatever the fuck his alignment is, is 100% no excuse for how horrible he’s been to both of us here.

[Venus and Mars]

I am a bad player though that is true


~Venus

No!

Being mean to Shiro, is equivalent to kicking an adorable kitten.

[Venus and Mars]

Well I'd say let's make a case for if someone else should get dayvigged but I think it's a dun deal.

The issue here is do we wait or continue to let him turn the game toxic?

If he kills the game, does it even matter?

[Venus and Mars]

You're not him mom, are you? If he feels irritated he is fully capable of responding on his own behalf. Who the fuck appointed you as the thread police? I've been ignoring you since chk asked me to disengage, but you insist on "re-engaging" even if it wasn't directed at you. I ignored your hints and you eventually had to unveil your evil side by coming at me directly. I DO NOT WISH TO TALK TO YOU, NANCY DREW. Not in this game, and not EVER again.

I’m glad we agree on something then, still I’m actually sad about it. Our friendship was clearly not based on much, for you to be willing to torpedo it that easily.

And yes, I do stand up for my REAL friends and anyone else I feel is being unfairly picked on and I’m never going to apologize for that.

[Venus and Mars]

... Fine. But god it just sucks that this Dayvig seems based on emotion the most.

Sigh.

It isn’t because he keeps ignoring my valid questions to him and insults us, rather than helping us by making hilself more readable to us.

I want to hit scum but if A60 actually is town here, he’s making this needlessly frustrating. :/

[Venus and Mars]

... Fine. But god it just sucks that this Dayvig seems based on emotion the most.

Sigh.

I do actually scumread him you know :/

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

You're not him mom, are you? If he feels irritated he is fully capable of responding on his own behalf. Who the fuck appointed you as the thread police? I've been ignoring you since chk asked me to disengage, but you insist on "re-engaging" even if it wasn't directed at you. I ignored your hints and you eventually had to unveil your evil side by coming at me directly. I DO NOT WISH TO TALK TO YOU, NANCY DREW. Not in this game, and not EVER again.

I’m glad we agree on something then, still I’m actually sad about it. Our friendship was clearly not based on much, for you to be willing to torpedo it that easily.

And yes, I do stand up for my REAL friends and anyone else I feel is being unfairly picked on and I’m never going to apologize for that.

And you don’t even know the first thing about me. Tora and me had this huge blow up after MU team mafia and now we’re the closest of friends, which is something you’ll never get to experience. I stick by my friends unless/until they do the unforgivable and I always have their back but yes, I’m obviously a horrible person.

[Venus and Mars]

... Fine. But god it just sucks that this Dayvig seems based on emotion the most.

Sigh.

I do actually scumread him you know :/

~Venus

Surprise is the only game he hasn’t been nice to me, if that is at all relevant.

[Venus and Mars]

Well you two, Flavor was here. Did he confirm if it ended the day?

Nope not yet.

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

Well you two, Flavor was here. Did he confirm if it ended the day?

Nope not yet.

~Venus

I’m surprised that wasn’t in our role pm, I actually thought it was.

[Venus and Mars]

@A50
I still dont feel insulted like at all. I would however like to know why you think I am a hypocrite. I am not insulted BY IT but more so curious.

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

Last time I played a game the dayvig ended the Day. I dunno if that's the standard, but if it helps, Morality also ran that one, so Boon probably makes it end the day.

I really hope that’s not the case.

[Venus and Mars]

Almost, serious talk, what's going on here?

Alright, I've cooled down a bit. Check this out:

Insults are bad.

That's not a bloody insult. It's a fact. Like, Chara -for instance- is far better at tone reading while I am far better at mechanical play, and it's no insult to either me or them to state that fact.

Great. Well I am a mechanical and data driven player, so fuck you.

or I'm sabotaging the game.

In the nicest possible way, go fuck yourself.

See? these are 2 incidents by 2 different people that I did NOT react to the same way I reacted to nancy. Why do you think that is? It's because I perceive NEITHER of them to be a hypocrite. Like, of I told them the same they'd be alright with it and won't make a fuss.

Now for someone who considers "I will never understand how your brain world"

an insult

.. for someone who claims the mere mention of a dead person is an insult... you do the math.

Also, if someone is blind I'd sympathize.. unless they start calling everyone else blind to compensate for their own lack of eyesight. THAT is DIRTY in book, and I will always respond in the meanest way I could.

I hope you now do understand what's going on here.

P.S. No, I'm not wrong. You don't understand. I am the ultimate reference for reads, roles and how they work, who said what and what they meant.. etc. Even if the mod says something that contradicts what I say I still am right and you're all wrong. Got it??

Well, you are tragically well beyond the point of legal blindness in every single goddamned thing you’ve said about me and continue to say and maybe you might actually have a point after all. See stupid insane hypocrite me was actually feeling bad about my part in any of this, so thanks so much for drenching me with that cold bucket of icewater and shocking me back to my senses. I double, triple and quadruple down on any and everything I’ve said to you in this game and thensome, since you apparently have no goddamn clue when to fucking quit!

[Venus and Mars]

So hypothetically if the day doesn't end, who do we lynch afterward?

Now you know why I would have preferred to wait until D5 or 4 because some games I’m absolutely brilliant like I was in Newsroom, where I correctly nailed the entire scumteam and others - like THIS one, I’m unfortunately still clueless (bracing myself for A50 to make another unwarranted vicious mean-spirited attack for saying that word) about who is scum here, so if I can stomach a certain individual who deserves to remain nameless, I am still trying to figure it out. That’s why I was asking everyone to tell me their PoE in order and why, to help me to figure it out.

[Venus and Mars]

Wait V and M shot? I am drunk and half paying attention.

No not yet. DW, I’m sure you won’t miss it.

[Venus and Mars]

VnM, town needs you to make certain you're thinking as clearly as you can be if this day shot is legitimate. It isn't the type of thing to be toyed with to eliminate someone you're against socially or as policy. Now, I understand I can't make you do anything. I understand they're asking for it. I'm not defending them so much as I'm town reading them and don't feel that them being shot -- ending day or not -- is within our best interests moving forward. You've been incredibly wishy washy for long stints of this game citing uncertainty on many slots. Is 50 a "fuck off" kill or am I missing something and you believe they're scum? If the latter, I do request that you detail the reasons why.

I think both Amrun and Adorable are better shots than 50, bias aside.

This is why I wanted to wait, we both did - until we were more certain but no, I’m not convinced they’re town and as for Adorable/Amrun, it’s probably self-resolving because if either one flips scum, the other is automatically spewed town I think. But you are right it totally sucks for A50 to unethically mess with my head this way, knowing that I have such an enormous burden on my shoulders. I have been sincerely trying my level best to get him to help me read him more clearly and instead, he continues to be antitown by muddying the waters. Chara hard tr Adorable and I’m not sure either is scum but I think one of them should probably be lynched to resolve the other.

Spoiler:

I would really just like to know what terrible thing A50 is imagining I’ve ever done to him, to make him treat anyone - let alone someone he used to allegedly consider a friend - this grotesquely but that’s unfortunately a question that will never be answered in this game. *shrug*

So, I’m trying my best not to allow any of that cruelty to affect my solve. I’m just hoping not to rush the day until I can get some clarity.

[Venus and Mars]

I think maybe both of you stepping back might help? I'm not really a mediator and I don't know why this had to happen but yeah. Maybe we can wash it in post or agree to disagree or whatever. Idk. I don't think either of you are of the soundest mind rn for your own reasons. All I'm asking is that you think about it.

I wouldn't take too many dead player's thoughts into consideration, but Chara was definitely a stronger voice to defer to. Amrun, however, is a very strong player so I'm cautiously suspicious.

I think we should analyze the AF wagon before it dissolved, there may be clues there. And I don’t know if you’ve ever played with scum50 but he totally fooled me in Surprise, so that’s why he’s still a null for me.

[Venus and Mars]

Sorry @Titus, who should I aim for? I think it would greatly help if everyone who hasn’t already claimed do so. @RCE, @BEF, Haggle, please claim, thanks.

[Venus and Mars]

OH AWESOME.

I just looked and there are exactly ZERO fucking vote counts with the Frost wagon actually written down. That's just great.

I know, if some extremely awesome person would offer to be the GOAT (in addition to Chara of course) and catalogue those votes for us, that would be awesome.

[Venus and Mars]

@Bambi, we don’t even know yet if our shot even ends the day, it might not.

[Venus and Mars]

RCE claimed to be another JOAT with only mentioning his Roleblocker action so far? Said his worked differently from Creature.

Well AF was willinoster so, would scum have both willibooster and rb, probably not plus I hard tr him in this game. Creature never claimed roleblocker did he? Just alignment cop and tracker, right?

Chara made a list of all of the role claims.

[Venus and Mars]

If Boon did it his last game I'm sure he's a consistent fella.

I won’t shoot before he answers the question, which is why we shouldn’t rush this vote. But if it looks like a lynch is impending, I may be forced to, since we’re not making it to D4 and I wouldn’t want to waste our shot.

[Venus and Mars]

Reading my posts following that make me seriously cringe.

Titus is 100% clear based on rereading that anyway.

[Venus and Mars]

So Haggle, BEF, Fonz (?), myself, 50, Nips (I disagree heavily on those two), aaand... was there anybody else? Beuller?

Haggle and Bambi were going at it for a bit.

[Venus and Mars]

People like me (and probably Titus) expect to see the answer to a direct question in the form of quote->answer.
Not all over the place.
And if he has indeed answered them then he can point that out instead of pretending he doesn't know what was asked.

So Haggle, BEF, Fonz (?), myself, 50, Nips (I disagree heavily on those two), aaand... was there anybody else? Beuller?

What is this a list of?

Suspicious posts/votes right before, during and after AF claim.

[Venus and Mars]

Lets picture the scenario then.

The VC restarts but the day continues after Nancy or Shiro shoot. With the knowledge of that shot we make the next move.

If Almost flips scum, then we auto lynch Nips of course. But who do we lynch if he flips town?

Possibly anyone who’s not Titus, pushing Nips, because Titus is lock clear from that post I quoted.

But we’re getting ahead of ourselves. Let’s wait for Boon to let us know if day ends or not.

PM him again or something. I saw him online, though I think Elsa saw something about a conference for him.

That pm is still in my outbox so no.

[Venus and Mars]

Tis a failed joke then.

FL is a class act (unapologetic mod pocket). <3

hmm...

[Venus and Mars]

Sorry @Titus, who should I aim for? I think it would greatly help if everyone who hasn’t already claimed do so. @RCE, @BEF, Haggle, please claim, thanks.

I thought I did enough already but I'll lay it out:

Dirty Laundry Vendor with no modifiers.

N1: V&M
N2: Chara

Thanks. What did RCE claim again? And I think Haggle claimed an inno on someone but they have never said who yet, I believe.

[Venus and Mars]

It ends the day as we all suspected

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

It ends the day as we all suspected

~Venus

So, don’t even bother voting then I guess. Maybe use HURT: Hurt and HEAL: tags instead?

[Venus and Mars]

50 Judge Powers: 1-shot recharged desperate weak visitor (out of shots), visited Nips last night, action went through but did not die. one piece of a beautiful N1 mess.

Creature: JOAT PT cop, alignment cop, tracker, shots refill once all three are used. copped Almost N1 and got no result. chk is the assumed reason.

Haggle: don't remember. no claim?

Joan of Arc: loyal doctor. protected Titus N1.

Chara: no claim.

Chemist1442: odd-night hider. no action N1. (was dead slot)

BrightEyedFish: no claim?

Amrun: no claim.

Bambi Jay: no claim. Adorable rolecopped her N1.

AaronFrost: doc enabler. don't know if this also enables other protectives such as bodyguard or rolestopper.

RCEnigma: no claim. made ascetic N1 by something.

Venus and Mars: no claim.

Emperor flippyNips: miller.

The Fonz: no claim.

Doctor Drew: universal backup. passively gained R&J's role on their lynch, so now odd-night vigilante.

Adorable: rolecop, checked Bambi N1 and got a result.

Titus: neighbourizer. made desperate at the start of N1 by something. if she targets scum or miller she dies. targeted Almost n1 and did not die nor get a PT, but we determined it was due to chk's rolestop.

chkflip: rolestopper. targeted Almost N1. another piece of a beautiful N1 mess.

davesaz: knifesmith, a flavoured gunsmith. targeted Haggle N1 and got "no knife" result. this is a clear unless Haggle is a mafia doctor, or possibly a traitor that hasn't been assimiliated to the scumteam.

dead:
R&J: odd-night vigilante.
EJet: juvenile delinquent, which is a miller that also disables coplike abilities on death.

other important things:
protectives like doctor or rolestopper cannot stop the self-death of a weak role. this presumably also applies to Titus. weak roles die to godfathers.

all coplike roles do not work. this applies to roles and not modifiers. desperate roles still work, hiders still work, trackers work, etc. gunsmiths/alignment cops don't work. Clemency confirmed that rolecops are also now useless. presumably PT cops are also.

traitors investigate as scum and are scum, as confirmed by FL (and not by Boon, if you're looking).


final version. i hope.

[Venus and Mars]

Okay, just... If I wake up and He's dead because you got the OK to shoot, I'll either be laughing or crying at the result. Depends on what my dream is.

Good night guys.

DW, we’re not rushing the day. We won’t shoot A50 unless we’re truly convinced either he or Nips are scum, since A50’s actions make them the same alignment. If A50 stops harassing and haranging me, everything will be chill but if he pushes me too far, I’ll just probably report this:

Spoiler:

One more insult from you and U'm going to make you regret your mom ever met your dad in the first place, let alone give birth to you. Knock it off already.

Hopefully, if he’s indeed town here, he will for once in this game, do the right thing and put town’s interests before his own. *fingers crossed*. Because he should realize that this stupid quarrel is just killing town morale and he shouldn’t allow whatever imagined issues he has with me to continue to aversively affect this game. Iow, if he plays ball with me, I’ll happily do the same.

[Venus and Mars]

That said, I’m a team player but I’m deathly afraid that A50 will go out of way to push me to the point I lose it on him and risk getting a temp ban. Which would be terribly unfair to me, because all I really want to do is my part in helping solve this game, if only he’ll LET me.

Spoiler:

So, I will only report that post as a last-tier defence against that but

I’d prefer peace and ideally him helping me decide who my optimal vig target ought to be.

Spoiler:

I understand you enjoy being mean (your own words) to me and continually insulting me. I also realize that it probably makes absolutely no difference that a few days ago, I was literally balling my eyes out so hard and so long - specifically because of YOU - that I had trouble even opening them because they were so red, sore and extremely swollen. I also understand that you possess 0 compassion for someone who has lost both their parents to two very different devastating tragic and fatal illnesses and don’t really gaf how badly you’ve hurt me considering the fact that I used to think you were my friend but I am literally begging you now, for everyone’s sake, please stop, thank you.

[Venus and Mars]

If you still don't think 50 cleared Nips then fucking shoot Nips.

50 actually contributes to the game.

Yeah toxicity.

[Venus and Mars]

If you still don't think 50 cleared Nips then fucking shoot Nips.

50 actually contributes to the game.

Yeah toxicity.

I will only shoot there, if the consensus is one of him/Nips are scum because based on his results, they have to be the same alignment.

[Venus and Mars]

So, arguably, if they share the same alignment and that alignment happens to be town (it is), you'd rather have the dog shit openly non-contributing player that WON'T help us win over the one that'll continue to actually play the game? Think about what you're actually saying please.

A50 has literally made this game hell for me and he outright said, he enjoys being “mean” to me, he won’t even acknowledge that he implied I was dumb, so I know exactly what I’m saying and since they’re both the same alignment, he won’t contribute anything useful to the thread if scum obviously. Think about what

you’re

saying. A50, Nips are the same alignment. If scum, who is the bigger threat? Like it’s not exactly rocket science but I won’t shoot there unless I actually think one of them is scum and based on the VCs I checked, Nips is only scum if scum bussed, so you can chill now, ok?

[Venus and Mars]

@Fonz, So, who is lying? Who can be the renegade other than you or Nips at this point?

@chkflip, Can't you just let a girl say thanks for saving my game life? You're so modest. Seriously, I don't see Fonz contributing lately, AF was strongly against Nips scum, Nips hasn't contributed, A50's collective contributions have been on me and the doctor today (removing his spat with Nancy). All Fonz has to do is claim any sort of verifiable action and we got scum.

Titus did you actually look at his wagon? He had 9 votes and AF was one of them, that’s why I said, if scum was bussing.

[Venus and Mars]

Act 2, Scene 6

Emperor flippyNips [9]:

Davesaz, Chara, Doctor Drew, Creature,

AaronFrost

, Titus, Bambi Jay, Venus and Mars, Chkflip

Doctor Drew [2]:

Emperor flippyNips, Joan of Arc,

Adorable [2]:

RCEnigma, Amrun,

Bambi Jay [1]:

Haggle,

Joan of Arc [1]:

50 Judge Powers,

Amrun [1]:

The Fonz

Not Voting [3]:

Adorable, Chemist1442, BrightEyedFish

With

19

alive, it takes

10

to execute.

Act 2 ends (expired on 2020-01-23 19:00:00) on

January 23rd

.

Mod Notes:

Don’t be outta pocket.

I am Flavor Leaf, so no FL votes will be accepted for the entirety of 2020.

[Venus and Mars]

Venus, do you agree with my PoE for the renegade?

How do you know someone isn’t lying about their claim? You’re assuming whomever is renegade would just out it?

[Venus and Mars]

Act 2, Scene 6

Emperor flippyNips [9]:

Davesaz, Chara, Doctor Drew, Creature,

AaronFrost

, Titus, Bambi Jay, Venus and Mars, Chkflip

Doctor Drew [2]:

Emperor flippyNips, Joan of Arc,

Adorable [2]:

RCEnigma, Amrun,

Bambi Jay [1]:

Haggle,

Joan of Arc [1]:

50 Judge Powers,

Amrun [1]:

The Fonz

Not Voting [3]:

Adorable, Chemist1442, BrightEyedFish

With

19

alive, it takes

10

to execute.

Act 2 ends (expired on 2020-01-23 19:00:00) on

January 23rd

.

Mod Notes:

Don’t be outta pocket.

I am Flavor Leaf, so no FL votes will be accepted for the entirety of 2020.

I don’t think scum!AF puts his buddy at L-1, unless it’s a bus.

[Venus and Mars]

But wouldn’t scum!AF have jumped off of it well before L-1 unless it were a bus?

[Venus and Mars]

I don't think nipples flips is gonna flip scum, but Drew probably isn't viable anymore with his recent claim.

VOTE: flippynips

AF was clearly not opposed to Nips being lynched. Prior to AF flip, your VCA didn’t look great for Nips but based on VCA, AF spews that slot town, because why bus a pretty much inactive slot?

[Venus and Mars]

I don't think nipples flips is gonna flip scum, but Drew probably isn't viable anymore with his recent claim.

VOTE: flippynips

This was Sunday at about 2:30 pm. At Monday at around 1 AM, Nips was L minus 1.

If I’m scum distancing my budding but not actually intending to bus him, I pay extremely close attention to that wagon and jump off. At any rate, it doesn’t prove Nips is scum > being just easy mislynchbait.

[Venus and Mars]

I don't think nipples flips is gonna flip scum, but Drew probably isn't viable anymore with his recent claim.

VOTE: flippynips

AF was clearly not opposed to Nips being lynched. Prior to AF flip, your VCA didn’t look great for Nips but based on VCA, AF spews that slot town, because why bus a pretty much inactive slot?

No. AF fought against the VCA. He's resigned to a Nips lynch at best or wants to deter it being an icky vote for a bad reason. I already quoted where AF resisted.

We can fight this round and round though.

The stronger case is that pretty much only Fonz and Nips can be renegade.

Again, how are you so sure no one lied? No one is obviously stupid enough to claim renegade, so why couldn’t at least one of the claims be false?

Did you link/quote that AF post?

[Venus and Mars]

I don't think nipples flips is gonna flip scum, but Drew probably isn't viable anymore with his recent claim.

VOTE: flippynips

This could well be AF tmi tr him.

[Venus and Mars]

I was recently a uni backup in this game. I had a one shot override which I never used but I inherited the first PR that died.

VOTE: Drew

Note that AF switched to Drew after he claimed. Makes sense he wanted to kill vig > miller.

[Venus and Mars]

@Fonz, So, who is lying? Who can be the renegade other than you or Nips at this point?
.

Literally anyone. This is why your POE is bad and you should feel bad. We have a flipped scum in this game who had multiple night actions. But in particular, anyone whose claimed night action isn't verified by someone else. That's half the player base.

+1

It’s really not that hard for scum to come up with a believable fake claim in lieu of renegade. We should basically look at all the claims and see which ones look suspicious. And like I already said, A50 and Nips share the same alignment, so if you tr A50, then Nips is clear anyway and Fonz has really been super obvtown imo, so the liar is elsewhere.

[Venus and Mars]

Spoiler: AF quotes

I hard disagree with Titus’ solve because I still think that BEF is town and AF is blatantly obvtown now and it was partially me both having a slight tl on Flips plus Drew sounding like he had a town TMI on him, that made me jump off that wagon, so I think Flips 60-70% chance of flipping town here.

I disagree with her solve because it assumes nipple flips is scum when fmpov Drew is obvscum who was perspective slipping hard yesterday which makes flips near conf town if Drew is scum.

I also don't like using VCA when we haven't had a scumflip yet but that's just my opinion.

Drew's alignment has no reflection on Flips alignment.

The TMI thing is garbage.

The VCA thing is the only valid criticism of my Flipcase. This is the first time I have done it.

VCA is garbage when we don't have a scumflip yet.

Do you really not think Drew was perspective slipping in the posts Nancy linked?

To paraphrase Titus's VCA, there were 3 wagons all at 5 or so, and two of those have flipped or been mech cleared as town. This implies the 3rd wagon was on scum.

Correct. Wagon participation also is a factor too. The higher the wagon participation the more likely one of the people is scum.

If you disagree, then scum should be heavily off wagons.

This is true, I think it's considerably likely that scum was on it as well regardless of nips's alignment seeing that he was (still is) lurking. It was an easy wagon they could hop onto without their hands getting dirty.

I'm still not convinced nips is the best lynch today but I do think he should go before we hit lylo.

To paraphrase Titus's VCA, there were 3 wagons all at 5 or so, and two of those have flipped or been mech cleared as town. This implies the 3rd wagon was on scum.

Correct. Wagon participation also is a factor too. The higher the wagon participation the more likely one of the people is scum.

If you disagree, then scum should be heavily off wagons.

This is true, I think it's considerably likely that scum was on it as well regardless of nips's alignment seeing that he was (still is) lurking. It was an easy wagon they could hop onto without their hands getting dirty.

I'm still not convinced nips is the best lynch today but I do think he should go before we hit lylo.

This doesnt make any sense. . . You're claiming to agree with Titus, but your analysis is completely different from hers and basically amounts to scum would just push low activity slots. Aside from Drew who else is scum?

BP

Scum aren't necessarily the ones doing the push, they're more likely to hop onto the bandwagon and later claim they were on him to get content out of him.

Drew is my strongest sr atm which is why I want to do him today

Very veeery tempted to just lurk the rest of this day phase out. A bit frustrated with this game tbh.

I probably won't but I also don't feel like putting effort into this atm. I also need sleep.

Very veeery tempted to just lurk the rest of this day phase out. A bit frustrated with this game tbh.

I probably won't but I also don't feel like putting effort into this atm. I also need sleep.

Yeah I'm lurking the rest of this day phase out.

See you guys Day 3!

Probably won't wanna move my vote away from Drew anyways

I don't think nipples flips is gonna flip scum, but Drew probably isn't viable anymore with his recent claim.

VOTE: flippynips

VOTE: Drew

@Fonz, Incorrect. Most every action is verified. RCE isn't but he's confirmed not renegade by being a target of the renegade. Haggle's confirmed clear. Joan's confirmed by possible Creature track.

Bambi confirmed by Adorable

. Etc. Etc.

Haggle is confirmed unless scum doc. Creature claimed to track Joan? But that still doesn’t confirm role? Only Adorable can do that. RCE is very likely town but not confirmed.

@Amrun, why did you think renegade didn’t exist, considering you were so afraid that your dead fish could make the recipient desperate?

[Venus and Mars]

50 Judge Powers - Done to death, if renegade he fabricated a whole claim to protect Nips
Creature - Cop joat, verified by chkflip
Haggle - Gunsmith clear
Joan of Arc - Had fear of God put in her RE tracking
Chemist1442 - Hider, CCed A50 has suspect failed n1 though
BrightEyedFish - Confirmed dirty laundry vendor
Amrun - Fish Vendor
Bambi Jay - Tracker Voyeur
RCEnigma - Can't be renegade, RB joat
Venus and Mars - Duh
Emperor flippyNips - Just a Miller that late claims
The Fonz - ?
Adorable - Confirmed rolecop n1
Titus - Not renegade
chkflip - Rolestopper confirmed
davesaz - Cop

Sure one of these can be scum but almost all the n1 actions are verified

Couldn’t someone have more than one role? Like Ejet for example was both delinquent + cop enabler?

[Venus and Mars]

AF can't be TMI on Nips AND 50/Nips hold the same alignment.

Choose a storyline. You cannot have both.

You're quite literally stating whatever you can to make 50 look bad and your stories aren't aligning.

This whole business is gross.

Why couldn’t AF be tmi tr Nips? It certainly looked that way from his vote?

[Venus and Mars]

I am going to bed. Nancy I am open to discussing the PoE here but Nips is still pretty scummy.

@Venus, RCE is confirmed not renegade bc he was made ascetic.
If Joan was renegade, then you'd have to argue Joat renegade and AF fakeclaimed doc enabler in a setup with no doc and that Joan establishes a fake claim to doc me based on our history with her scumteam while her typical scum meta is to lurk out and avoid the PT. Joan is not renegade. Haggle is confirmed not renegade. This isn't a scum PoE. It's a renegade PoE.

No one protected you last night, so why couldn’t it just mean, scum didn’t want you dead? I did hear someone suggest Joan was clear but I don’t remember why. Why did her vote switch to Drew after AF crashed the hood?

[Venus and Mars]

I am going to bed. Nancy I am open to discussing the PoE here but Nips is still pretty scummy.

@Venus, RCE is confirmed not renegade bc he was made ascetic.
If Joan was renegade, then you'd have to argue Joat renegade and AF fakeclaimed doc enabler in a setup with no doc and that Joan establishes a fake claim to doc me based on our history with her scumteam while her typical scum meta is to lurk out and avoid the PT. Joan is not renegade. Haggle is confirmed not renegade. This isn't a scum PoE. It's a renegade PoE.

2 dead players had confirmed multiple roles. Town!Ejet had both delinquent(miller) + cop enabler and scum!AF had willibooster + party crasher, so maybe everyone is telling the truth, just not ALL of it?

[Venus and Mars]

No one protected you last night, so why couldn’t it just mean, scum didn’t want you dead?

What do you think happens if scum shoot me? Second, the scumkill alternates. Third, there's higher priority PRs and arguably obvtown like you.

Not N1 or N2 and my reads were wrong, I mislynched two townies, so before today, scum had 0 reason to kill me.

[Venus and Mars]

FTR, I don't like how they are fine with keeping toxicity in the game while ignoring what their supposed townread had to say about that.

Who is “they” and which tr are they ignoring?

[Venus and Mars]

Amrun, Joan, Chemist, or you, Titus. There's also potential in one of the several cop claims. There's two JoaTs. Two hiders.

Not fuckin Fonz. Stop tunnelfucking for once.

Not Titus, I already explained why she’s locktown. Both Joan and Amrun visited her N1 but so far no one has claimed to visit RCE and both he and Titus were visited by renegade.

Why would Boon have two town fvs? Since I know for a fact, I was never visited by renegade, BEF is confirmed NOT renegade. @Adorable, did you receive any modifiers?

Definitely agree with you on Fonz.

[Venus and Mars]

@Nancy, Believe what you want. I think AF was special traitor case. Otherwise, this is basically a vanilla game. I am not buying that.

Why wouldn’t scum!AF want to keep a pretty much useless lurker around? Isn’t that optimal when you’re scum - especially when that lurker could be very useful mislynchbait later in the game? Scum!RC definitely made good use of lurker town!Overki11 in Gameshow.