BooneyToonz XIII: To Boon or Not To Boon - [END]

Weiss Schnee · Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:42 pm

VOTE: amrun.

I think this just has to be renegade doesn't it?

Rce doesn't claim a roleblock shot as rene because that can tested

Dave reads as town but he's edgecase of me being wrong
Meech inno nips otherwise he's edgecase

Its not bambi

Its not chemist
Its not crearure
Creature doesn't gambit on bef so its not bef
Its not haggle unless the renegade is a fucking gunsmith miller and its not haggle anyway

Doesn't it just have to be fucking amrun?

9shot split renegade/fruit vendor

Maybe even ran put of shots which is why faked fonz vend last night

It's that or rce either a)got a rb shot as a fucking renegade (wrf?)
Or b) rce faked having a roleblock shot as a joat AFTER the town rolestopper died

How is amrun not the renegade? It's the only thing left that makes sense to me

Weiss Schnee · Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:56 pm

Like bef could even still be scum with joan but there's no way he gave dave macho because creature never gambits his life on bef not flipping

Rce as rene fakes asceticizing himself and then also fakes having a rb shot? Like fuck if rce is rene boon either gave him a dope fakeclaim or he's having a wild game

Chhemist faking weak loyal hider I just don't buy for rene

I guess the final edge case is me misreading 50j + titus thing not resolving right which is too edgecase for me to care

Amn has to be rene?

Weiss Schnee · Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:09 pm

amn rebuttal is like 'why did I think I accidentally gave titus ascetic' as a wifom argument is weird because I don't know why she thought that in the first place this isn't a bastard game, I can try to find that part of iso tonorrow night but I'm pretty sure amn is the lynch

If I'm missing other possibilities let me know

Weiss Schnee · Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:18 pm

Also still thinking about this but thoughts on leashing rce block to bef? Not sure its correct but crossed my mind

Weiss Schnee · Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:25 pm

also I might be rambling but I just had this idea that solve is amr-rce-bambi but don't hold me to it, just first time I actually felt like I had a solve and that would also explain why this game feels like it does

Weiss Schnee · Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:36 pm

Amr/rce distancing, bambi joan partner, amr gives rce ascetic n1 because hs is scum roleblocker, bambi scum invest? It kinda works, bambi's role seems weak for scum invest but w/e

Best I got for tonight

I think amr is correct lynch here in case I'm wrong on bamb; leash bamb and creature to chemist, chemist goes on me/bef/dave his choice; on amr red flip cut bef from pool

Weiss Schnee · Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:38 pm

Rce prolly had a 1-shot rolestop he used on titus that bambi was meant to cofirm or something, dave's right probably not full rolestopper

Weiss Schnee · Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:44 pm

If:
Amm flip red
We leash rce to bef
Thhen creature actually tracks bambi not chemist

But creature still dies so maybe no need to worry about all those ifs

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:08 am

Am:

1-what are the best alternatives? Which edge cases make the most sense to you for renegade?
2-would you have been aware that joan was your buddy in this scenario?

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:32 am

Boon gave me literally two different answers when I asked him about that so I still don't know.

I'm a little surprised you didn't look at my reasoning and say "oh if you think RCE is scum roleblocker let's lynch him then," your omgus rubs me the wrong way a little bit

do you think creature+bambi or creature+chemist? sounds like creature+bambi?

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:43 am

I wouldn't not consolidate on RCE actually. idk I'd like to hear some other people weigh in on other explanations for who could be renegade other than you though

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:59 am

They're both kinda convoluted claims tho

Chemist, if scum, had his partner gift him loyal so that he would never have to 'die' to fake a guilty and to make it almost impossible for him to 'claim' results

RCE, if scum, had his partner gift him ascetic so that he could use his powers without risk of roleblock/investigation

that being said both could *mechanically speaking* both be town according to the version of the role RCE chose not to mention existed until a day or two ago

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:03 am

hmm, boon did forget to send an s/s action result in LNT

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:04 am

UNVOTE:

I'll review the chemist claim when I get home tonight, link the posts if you remember where they are

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:05 am

I guess bambi scum allows for chemist scum renegade but only if boon provided a hider fakeclaim to chemist saying it was a safeclaim? ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh that's a lotta moving parts tho

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:06 am

The idea that split could target 3 people was already brought up and dismissed? whaaat why would you reject that?

it doesn't by definition change any reads since two of the mods were pro-scum anyway and don't tell us much

can you find and link that discussion?

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:18 am

oh ok. cause the "split in previous games could target more than 2 people" is fucking huge for my understanding of the scum power structure so I'd be surprised if it had been tossed before

I see almost no scenario where it's not an x-shot split renegade with ~some other power role for cover which is why I'm kinda pushed either toward amrun or edge cases

I feel like mechanically it's correct to lynch inside amrun/RCE most of the time here anyway

I think the idea that 2 separate scum faked receiving modifiers is very low and 2 townies receiving modifiers basically confirms a split x-shot

it also means that, to me, the more interesting part of your claim is the roleblock shot than the ascetic since multi-shot renegade with roleblocking seems really unlikely and too powerful for scum

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:18 am

In post 8981, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 5863, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 5860, davesaz wrote:
In post 5854, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 5817, davesaz wrote:We do not have a reason for two modifiers to have been given out the same night identified yet. Is motivated an available modifier?
I don't think motivator is necessary anymore if renegade is split like traitor was.
Split only applies to a compound role like AF's party crasher / willbooster.
The same role can't be split, it has to be motivated or the like. But if motivated can be a modifier it doesn't require that role to exist.
Can boon bank roles be compounded?
The only claimed modifiers were myself and Titus at this point.

does this mean aaron knew which scum specifically was the renegade?

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:20 am

Looking at Aaron's role again I probably was being dumb that scum don't know who their partners are even if they don't share a PT

so I guess I should explore amrun's "I'm not scum with joan" anti-associative argument more carefully

I also don't know why split would require willbooster?

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:40 am

So solve is rce-bambi-chemist? Bambi covers for chemist so renegade actions can't be spotted?

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:00 pm

In post 2547, RCEnigma wrote:I'd buy it, I was made Ascetic last night.

Someone giving out modifiers sounds a lot like Profiis inventor claim in LNT.

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:02 pm

RCE doesn't really feel same PT as renegade

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:05 pm

fuck we're running out of time and I'm still going in circles

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:07 pm

In post 5855, Chemist1422 wrote:oh yeah it's probably relevant to mention that I was made loyal night 1 (and was not told about it until after EoD2 so that's fun)

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:15 pm

VOTE: Bambi

probably too exhausted to really push anything else through and this still is the slot with the worst tone

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:09 pm

I'd say Haggle is quietly pushing as a factor of being quasi-mech town and not budging

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:38 pm

In post 9013, Elsa Jay wrote:I just ask for one more game night to solve this.

dude that's what I've been arguing and it seems no one cares

like you're making points I agree with but at this point we need a lynch, I would much rather lynch one of the other candidates that you on the off chance you happen to somehow be town but at the end of the day people are gravitating toward the slot that just seems scummiest which is fair

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:39 pm

There's a strong argument in favor of doing RCE today from a mechanical POV but it just seems like no one cares anymore tbh

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:29 pm

I like that bef points to the part where he says he's glad I'm dead

Like you were in a mech cc and had vended sticky fruit to scum thus causing a series of devastating chain lynches due to sheer confusion

And yeah denying sticky fruit vendor charges is a great idea since it's massive anti-town utility

I'm not sure what point you were trying to make there because now I'm worried you're reminding me sometimes bambi can make correct mech plays

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:33 pm

although tone still seems diff idk

Weiss Schnee · Sat Feb 15, 2020 3:32 am

On bambi red flip rce should rb one of the vendors, doesn't matter which

Weiss Schnee · Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:40 am

Thoughts on the game chemist?

Weiss Schnee · Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:10 am

In post 9032, 50 Judge Powers wrote:Giving Scum one more night to offload their remaining shots is a bad idea.

while generally I agree this is the one slot in the game I know *isn't* the renegade from mod confirmation, so it does nothing to help me narrow down the remaining renegade options

still red flips a red flip if this is what we're settled on

Weiss Schnee · Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:41 pm

Creature track chemist

On red flip, rce rbs one of the vendors
Green flip, hold shot

Scum shoots me so I can get out of this game

Weiss Schnee · Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:50 pm

Love u bambi

Plz tell buddies to nk me

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:05 am

Hoodie claim!

One less slot to think about

One less slot to think about

Huzzah!

Tse who'd u track btw?

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:06 am

I am not the hoodie, that is me asking the hoodie to claim

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:25 am

Nice I can read dave correctly sometimes

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:26 am

Uhhh if you're not sure then he didn't

He's announcing chemmy

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:17 am

Did you tell him to track you in the hood?

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:41 am

Doesn't a psych get no result on scum that's already killed? Renegade gets guilty to a psych result so in theory Dave scum would require Dave to not be the Renegade, he'd have to be a duplicate scum doctor/traitor

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:42 am

unless scum traitor renegade (+ x-shot, neighbor) which would be a shitty thing to play around and I kinda don't want to think about it with one traitor and a doc flipped already

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:43 am

In post 9068, Emperor flippyNips wrote:@weiss– why did you ask to die?

Dude I joined this game planning to claim and get lynched and now I have 600 posts

I didn't actually plan to solve this game and it's a really complicated quasi-mountainous with like 2 ICs now LOL

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:45 am

btw if you got fruit claim fruit

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:10 am

Boon says it's a mutation actually, this is not the 'normal' version of psychologist

It gets a guilty on any role that can cause death, IE, if you are "weak" or "desperate" it would also get a guilty (chemist, 50J, Joan)

which means Joan would have ironically... been guilty to a psych... but not a gunsmith?...as a scum doctor (0.o)

weird roles

ANYWAY

I think that in this setup, the way the role works means that dave just CANNOT cause death. at all

regardless of if he's killed or not

I'll try to poke boon a bit more but I think that's my understanding. The text on the role pm is the FULL mechanical text

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:10 am

right you're thinking a Normal psychologist. This is a mutated psychologist with different mech

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:10 am

I was actually confused earlier too LOL

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:12 am

So, Dave is either a...

7-shot Split Renegade Traitor <--basically this exact role

or...

a town gunsmith

town gunsmith right now is a lot easier to believe since it doesn't REQUIRE "traitor" to be added on there

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:13 am

Flippy there's nothing else to your mech? You're just miller, that's it?

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:18 am

In post 9077, Weiss Schnee wrote:7-shot Split Renegade Traitor <--basically this exact role

7-shot split renegade traitor NEIGHBOR

but yeah, we can't hands-down dismiss the possibility of double traitor given boon DID roll double traitor in one of the star wars games

but I feel like with traitor flipped, 'desperate doctor' flipped, and confirmed scum renegade that's like... a bit much for scum?

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:21 am

It's fine, it's healthy to make sure we're all agreed on never thinking about dave's alignment again if we're never thinking about dave's alignment again

If we want to think about it, now's the time before we totally put him out of mind

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:28 pm

yeah dave would have to be a... duplicate scum doc?

tbh I think he's just mechtown

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:29 pm

chemmy what do you think the chances are that bambi followed you and knew you failed and so lied to give a false inno?

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:32 pm

In post 9088, davesaz wrote:Hmm, aren't there multiple Bambi results that could be false?

yeah, I think he was gambiting on chk having been on Titus when he said he got no result on Titus n2, so at this point there is 0 reason to think scum have a rolestopper

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:38 pm

###MECH WALL### -- use ctrl F with ## to find this post in page 4 of iso

Spoiler:

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:39 pm

I'm gonna go on a limb and say you did not target Haggle

#quickmaths

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:40 pm

looking at this setup I think scum were supposed to get a lot more value out of Aaron's role

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:41 pm

bambi's n3 is the only interesting lie he might have made, everything else is either a gambit or a dump claim

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:50 pm

RCE is an ... interesting choice

why did you do RCE?

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:57 pm

$$$VCA VERSION 1$$$ -- Use $$ to find this in iso page 4

Notes:
-Light green for dave as unflipped likely mech town
-Yes I'm greening myself it's my own damn list deal with it

Thought about yellow-greening flips for the miller shit but that's all so fucking convoluted I decided not to quite yet

Spoiler:

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:57 pm

In post 9097, Chemist1422 wrote:I remember him being PoE and didn't think he was gonna die

also if I could get relevant info from the tracker that would help too maybe

Yeah but... he claimed ascetic

so if he's ascetic, your hide would fail and would not give us a clear which it would have on *literally anyone else in the game*

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:58 pm

Oh I forgot to replace loserdudeOG into creature and some other replacement things

I'll fix that next version

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:05 pm

1.3
Emperor flippyNips [5]: Creature, Venus and Mars, 50 Judge Powers, davesaz, BrightEyedFish
Haggle [5]: Romeo and Juliet, Titus, Amrun, AaronFrost, Doctor Drew

1.4
Emperor flippyNips [6]: Creature, 50 Judge Powers, davesaz, BrightEyedFish, Frank, Latias and Latios
Haggle [5]: Titus, Amrun, AaronFrost, Doctor Drew, RCEnigma

1.5
Romeo and Juliet [11]: Chara, Espressojet, Haggle, Venus and Mars, Amrun, davesaz, AaronFrost, BrightEyedFish, Titus, RCEnigma, Bambi Jay ——— [EXECUTED]
Emperor flippyNips [4]: Creature, 50 Judge Powers, Frank, Latias and Latios

2.2
Doctor Drew [5]: AaronFrost, RCEnigma, Emperor flippyNips, Joan of Arc, chkflip
Emperor flippyNips [4]: Titus, davesaz, Chara, Amrun
AaronFrost [2]: Bambi Jay, BrightEyedFish

!!!

2.6
Doctor Drew [10]: Emperor flippyNips, Joan of Arc, BrightEyedFish, AaronFrost, 50 Judge Powers, Bambi Jay, Amrun, Titus, Chemist1442, Chara ——— [EXECUTE]
Bambi Jay [3]: Haggle, davesaz, Doctor Drew
Weiss Schnee [1]: RCEnigma,
Emperor flippyNips [1]: Creature

3.1
chkflip [2]: Creature, 50 Judge Powers

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:05 pm

VCA suggests creature slot needs to go real soon, maybe today

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:06 pm

BEF probably town?

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:07 pm

I'll do more after claims today are done

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:10 pm

dave probably should have been a lighter shade of green but w/e

should I do a different red for aaron? technically traitor will operate differently on vca

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:11 pm

solve's probably creature + 1of{Amrun/RCE}

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:14 pm

Would lean Creature/Amrun but I'm not married to it

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:14 pm

VOTE: TSE

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:16 pm

"Announcing Tracker/Goon" is probably the funniest role Boon has come up with tbh

"You were visited by the scumteam! Also, you're dead!"

only town protective is rolestopper so announcer never lands on something that isn't a kill

genius

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:17 pm

oh yeah the babysitter; Chara landing a save is low though

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:21 pm

I'm tempted to do another VCA because I'm pre-flipping TSE as scum I feel so good about this LOL

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:22 pm

Yeah Creature's goon/tracker, Amrun's Renegade, game's over let's pack it up boiiiiissssss

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:26 pm

Well, here's what bambi did

Bambi followed Chemist. That part was real.
His result: chemist did not do shit
Conclusion: "CHEMIST YOU VISITED SOMEONE! HOW EXCITING!"
obvious play

Bambi didn't know who chemist had tried to visit but it didn't matter, he had to claim a success knowing it was a fail

So chemist tries to visit creature, has a soft guilty, bambi sells it as an inno

Meanwhile creature just *is* scum and gets to be ignored for bullshit mech reasons

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:27 pm

I'm willing to accept the possibility I'm wrong on you amrun but creature is scum here almost every single time

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:48 pm

TSE is the lynch but Dave, since you're dying tonight now, best shots for Renegade in your view?

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:00 pm

Let's let him claim the track before hammer. I don't mind an l1 here this day can be fast. He's l2 with 3 on him

Weiss am 50 (l2)

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:01 pm

Creature's vca being identical to the last time I played with scum creature strongly suggests scum creature here

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:05 pm

I doubt it, it does specify a condition where scum pts merge which I imagine is one of the teams being noped

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:07 pm

who got fruit? No claims?

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:12 pm

Has your target posted yet today?

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:13 pm

Hold off then

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:00 pm

Who did you track?

Also fyi Doctor also can "cause death" so dave is like 100% mech clear

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:00 pm

Also can you nutshell the Creature/Chemist PT interactions?

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:02 pm

Also please summarize:
-Your claim as described by boon
-All actions that you have done/haven't done
-All things that have been done to you (fruit, vends, etc.)

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:04 pm

Night 5?

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:35 pm

Cool, RCE checks in, we confirm roleblock, then we slam lynch tse

Bbl

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:03 pm

RCE roleblocked Amrun or no one, that's what we're checking in on

Given you had the opportunity to perform an action, why did you then not perform an action? There's no way boon rushed you so much you could not submit an action to him

In a world where you're town you're welcome to give some reads and impressions here, you can see my mech summary and VCA posts back a few pages if you want somewhere to get started, but if you're scum it's not strategically unsound to just scumclaim here and self vote. One less townie voting you after all!

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:08 pm

9091 9098

also creature was explicitly asked to track chemist's slot since it was supposed to be our only way of generating mech innos in a world where both are town

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:14 pm

It was. There was an extra 24 hours; theoretically daybreak should have been in about an hour and a half from now, it was cut short by over 8 hours I think

I don't want to get into OOG information like that though, deadline cut short or not TSE must have declined submitting a track which is like... OK you can't just blame creature that you're getting lynched in that case

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:15 pm

In post 9169, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:Well then you’ll feel disappointed if you end up miss lynching me.

I'd be disappointed in Creature if he was town here but I wouldn't be disappointed in myself for misreading an iso that bad with votes that scummy

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:16 pm

Like I'd lynch you just off your play so far TSE, ngl
>skipped NA
>stalled when asked for NA results
>no straight answers about hood interactions

your iso on its own is already gross LOL

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:20 pm

In post 9172, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:So are you confirmed Town WS or?

I'm confirmed town from my point of view which is why I greened my name in my VCA if that's what you're asking, if you want to do your own VCA you can remove the green from my name.

My slot rolecopped Bambi night 2 and then was disabled by the cop enabler thingy

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:22 pm

In post 9177, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:I don’t think it was the scummy.
He seemed incline to vote Emperor.
What are you seeing?

Creature as scum likes to sit off wagon on vanity wagons when town is mislynching which basically looks like most of this game

His reads throughout his iso include a quick pot shot at bambi but no sustained interaction

he wanted to mech solve late game which makes no sense because that's not how creature plays town

he also had no real-time interactions since I replaced in which is like weeks at this point

he's better at faking townreads though I give him that but he's pretty obvious scum now that bambi's dead

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:27 pm

In post 9183, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:Assuming I’m lynched.
Who will you lynch next.
Keep in mind I’ll be flipping Town.

Well dave is mech town
flips is arguably mech town (I have a link to that discussion in the mech summary I think) -- actually if you can think of any reason flips is not mech town off that discussion I'd like to hear it
50J is almost certainly not a renegade with the convoluted dedication he put into his claim, in addition to seeming townie in his push on joan

so that leaves:
BEF, who I think? Bambi spews town, and also your slot seems to confirm cannot possibly be the scum renegade (but could be bulletproof? goon fruit vendor)

Chemist, who is a "loyal weak" hider which I think Bambi was probably manipulating to fuck up gamestate which I think spews him town as well

RCE, who received ascetic n1, disloyal vigged BEF n1 (BEF lived)
~has seemed a bit townie sometimes, but the conversation I had with him about split mechanics leaves me second guessing myself; if you were town, he'd be good bet for scum roleblocker but I doubt he's renegade

Amrun, who is currently my best pick for scum renegade (claimed fruit vendor), even if her iso has some townie shit in it

Basically if you flip town tomorrow is probably~ a 1v1 between amrun and RCE?

but you don't flip town so I'm not too worried about that yet

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:28 pm

In post 8037, 50 Judge Powers wrote:
In post 7971, Weiss Schnee wrote:50 Judge Powers
CLAIM:
N1:
1-shot Recharged Desperate Weak Visitor

N1 I targeted Nips. I obviously loved through it, but my 1-shot was used up. (That's the short version)

Details: At first, Boon told me my shot was refunded, which would mean my shot didn't go through*

Much much later into the day he PM'd me again noting he made a mistake and my shot actually was expired/exhausted/used up, so I wasn't refunded.

*My shit doesn't go through if my target is Town. My shot also doesn't go through if I get RB'd/Jailed, or if I target an untargetable (ex: Commuter)

Since my shit did go through I deduced my target (Nips) returns a guilty to an alignment Cop.
However, since I didn't die, I also deduced Nips was Town aligned.

Combining the two, I deduced Nips was a Miller (which he did claim after the fact).

I now have another "weaker" theory that Nips may have been the one targeted with the Enchantress, thus resulting in my shot "going out" successfully, but not "reaching it's target" (i.e. I didn't actually get in touch with him) thus I am still alive.

That would -of course- depend on whether the Enchantress works like a temporary Ascetizer (blocks the source) or like an Alien (protects the target). It may look a bit confusing to you, so I will try to clear it up:
If the Enchantress (presumed to be in Nips)
blocks actions on him from the source
then my theory is invalid, since I was't recharged and I should have been if I was blocked.
However, if the Enchantress does NOT block the source, but rather "absorbs" the action on the other end, then my theory may have some merit to it, because then I would not have been blocked, but also didn't "get in contact" with Scum!Nips either.

Finally:
Reminder that Joan explicitly claimed Scum and gave us all the details about how the Scum team was divided and looking to be united in her first post

I hope this helps.

P.S. Please. PRETTY PLEASE, Nobody respond to this post but Krazy/Weiss. Thank you.

if you can see holes that would indicate flips is not mech town from 50J's perspective, I'd like to hear them

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:33 pm

Yeah chemist isn't mechanically prohibited from being scum renegade but I really really doubt it given the way he claimed

2 of{Chemist/Amrun/RCE} / wildcard BEF is probably where your solve would need to go in a world where you're town, unless you want to argue 50J isn't town off play which is gonna be a pretty hard sale but not impossible

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:35 pm

you can ignore the shit about enchantress in there, enchantress is mechanically prohibited from being in this game

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:40 pm

This game is a pretty good example of how Shoshin's method of reading me works
"is town winning? weiss is town
is scum winning? weiss is scum"

I replaced into this game and turned a scum stomp into a winning position for town within 2 days
=best way of reading me lol

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:08 pm

of course! hell I day 1 dayvigged a scumbuddy in a marathon this last weekend

also got a great lategame 1v1 with a scumbuddy that ALMOST won me vengecop

but uhh those are marathon games, I tend to powerwolf in real games. I did bus LLD day 1 in ali v pine but it was like a pretty mellow bus

trying to think of of when else I've bussed and not a lot comes to mind, I'm sure I have though. Not like this though :3

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:18 pm

dead town psych had a "no kills" on Dave and we already have a flipped traitor which strongly suggests dave is mech town

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:56 pm

Yeah remember that scum didn't know for sure aaron was traitor though so there could still be one more scum on each of those wagons
and Creature being off both fits scum creature IMO

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:12 pm

You're welcome to use 9098 although I greened myself in it

Weiss Schnee · Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:38 am

People in this game sure make some funny mech choices

@50j the no result on titus I think was due to titus getting ascetic? But that's lowkey confusing in terms of nar

anyway we're not super rushed but I'm fine with l1 tse

Weiss Schnee · Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:40 am

Tracker who'd you target?
Literally no one
Loyal hider who'd you target?
The claimed ascetic
Okay we're proving rce has real roleblock. Fruit vendor who'd you target
The claimed ascetic
...

Ok

Weiss Schnee · Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:05 am

Ready for day to end on creature slot as soon as:
Dave gives final reads
Tse confirms no rebuttal to flips mech town argument

I'm not waiting for anything else beyond those 2

Weiss Schnee · Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:36 am

Oh yeah I'd leash bef to amrun/nips and amrun to bef/50

Theoretically no leash necessary but we still don't want one dead guy getting both vends

Also if amrun vend target dies I'd lynch her with no discussion lol

altho thinking she can't vend cause she ran out of shots probably too optimistic

Weiss Schnee · Wed Feb 19, 2020 8:13 am

In post 9220, Weiss Schnee wrote:Ready for day to end on creature slot as soon as:
Dave gives final reads
Tse confirms no rebuttal to flips mech town argument

I'm not waiting for anything else beyond those 2

The tse part is also optional so basically this day can end whenever dave's ready

Weiss Schnee · Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:36 am

Honestly nips sometimes its okay to just not be scum from mech and not get in the way of town solving. Tse probably would not be nuked immediately if not for Creature's iso, which is very much a scum creature iso now that I see it.

Weiss Schnee · Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:28 am

Final solve dave?

Weiss Schnee · Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:39 am

tse's l-1 so we should be going to night soon

Weiss Schnee · Sat Feb 22, 2020 9:17 pm

l received

bef locktown

still think this

VOTE: amrun

Weiss Schnee · Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:03 am

In post 9260, davesaz wrote:I'm thinking it's RCE or Amrun, with Weiss or 50JP as deepwolf if it isn't over.

Amrun 1st imo

Weiss Schnee · Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:48 am

Creature spew bef town

Weiss Schnee · Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:19 am

Wtb game-ending hammer

Weiss Schnee · Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:03 pm

Wow nips u voted fn finally?

VOTE: rce

Next best guess?

Weiss Schnee · Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:03 pm

In post 9277, BrightEyedFish wrote:Hey Weiss,

Do you have your night action/claim post updated?

Not yet u need?

Weiss Schnee · Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:09 pm

He only had the one check on haggle he had no recent actions

You mean vend receipt?

Weiss Schnee · Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:22 pm

50j do u wanna go over the mech on flips again

Flips u wanna remind me of ur flavor and how ur role is presented?

I prob dead tonight if not over from rce

Weiss Schnee · Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:35 pm

In post 325, 50 Judge Powers wrote:
In post 313, Titus wrote:A) That depends on your alignment. B) I don't trust you. C) You only quit spamming to defend Nancy.
A) I'm a Town fucking Hider. I die if I target a Lord or someone who "returns as Lord to investigations".
B) Who cares? You don't even play a mechanical game, so leave it to the experts.
C) I do not defend Nancy for the sake of defending Nanvy, but she's making MUCH more sense than you do
D) You just ignored the fact that I openly admitted I was willing to switch my vote off you given a more proper wagon to join. Your play looks like making a mountain out of a molehill just to appear busy. You're not even trying to get reads on anyone else but me and Nancy. What's your read on <Insert name here>??

B

Shouldn't u die on millers?

UNVOTE:

Weiss Schnee · Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:41 pm

In post 819, 50 Judge Powers wrote:
In post 809, Venus and Mars wrote:Oh NM, it’s town you can’t hide behind then, so if you hide behind town, you get your charge, “refunded”?
Yes. And now you see that I have misplayed this all the way to China. If I hide behind Scum I die. If I hide behind Town Scum shoot me and it looks like I died from hiding behind Scum so that's a mislynch. That always happens when TOWN get overly curious and eager to find out as many details as possible about a TOWN ROLE.

Still, my bad. I am not targeting anyone, or at least not announcing it beforehand. If I survive I will give you one confirmed Townie. If I die then at least Scum can't use my death to frame another Townie.

You know what? I am not even a HIDER. I am a VISITOR. Since I misplayed it so bad it's best to blow the cover. I only replaced Visitor with Hider in my title to try and SURVIVE THE NIGHT. I did say I was available for all other types of action (non-killing) though. I could be investigated, tracked, seen visiting.. etc, as well as RB'd, JK'd and even Doctored. (Again, I asked the Doctor not to target me counting on my gambit that Chemist so kindly managed to destroy to pieces). Like, why do they always think scum me would be so stupid as to claim unpromted AND manage to scum slip too?? Am I so bad a Scum in your perception?? Like, very few players let me be when I town gambit. Chara ALWAYS waits to see "what next?" before they say anything. They know I'm up to something and don't know whether it's town or scum motivated, but they also know interfering ruins the plan if I'm town so they let me run the gambit to it's full and THEN decide what the motive was.

Anyway. not blaming anyone but myself still. I thought by claiming Hider that I'd be immune to Scum kills and thus use my role optimally, but then not only did I get CC'd but also asked about whether or not I evaded non-killing actions, and if I lied there I would have not only been caught in it but probably forced a TPR to out in the process too.

@Bambi: I concede you are MUCH better than I am at gambiting as Town. Kodus to you, my friend.

@Nancy: I know you must be confused by now. Forget ALL I said (or what you think I said) before. My role is:
1-shot Recharged Desperate Weak Visitor
and I can't use my ability 2 nights in a row. I have already explained all the modifiers. (When I saw that
Modifiers Stew
Boon had cooked for me, my response was "good think you didn't come across
Compulsive
too).

Anyone else got any questions?

Oh right weak was a lie

Weiss Schnee · Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:42 pm

No wait you still say weak

Shout weak die to miller?

Weiss Schnee · Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:42 pm

Shouldn't*

Weiss Schnee · Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:58 pm

In post 8446, Boonskiies wrote:• You have the Desperate modifier, meaning your action will only work if you target someone who’s alignment comes off as an Evil Magical a Disguise Lord of the Boonski’i.

Weiss Schnee · Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:00 pm

In post 9245, Boonskiies wrote:You have the Weak modifier. If you target a player who is not aligned with the Bard’s Battalion, you will die.

Weiss Schnee · Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:01 pm

50J claims weak desperate
but boon seems to be treating weak in this game as a mutation

50J can you confirm that your weak modifier reads the same as chemist's?

Weiss Schnee · Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:01 pm

VOTE: rce

I still think we end up here tho looking over the mech shit again

Weiss Schnee · Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:10 pm

In post 8037, 50 Judge Powers wrote:1-shot Recharged Desperate Weak Visitor

N1 I targeted Nips. I obviously loved through it, but my 1-shot was used up. (That's the short version)

Details: At first, Boon told me my shot was refunded, which would mean my shot didn't go through*

Much much later into the day he PM'd me again noting he made a mistake and my shot actually was expired/exhausted/used up, so I wasn't refunded.

*My shit doesn't go through if my target is Town. My shot also doesn't go through if I get RB'd/Jailed, or if I target an untargetable (ex: Commuter)

Since my shit did go through I deduced my target (Nips) returns a guilty to an alignment Cop.
However, since I didn't die, I also deduced Nips was Town aligned.

this all adds up and also implies that the weak is mutated like it was with chemist

Weiss Schnee · Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:12 pm

In post 9091, Weiss Schnee wrote:N1: Copped A50 - no result -- A50 was rolestopped by CHK
D1: Lost both cop and PT cop due to juvenile deliquent and technically became a tracker
N2: Tracked BEF - visited Chara

wait shit

50J scum is possible if Creature copped flippy n1?

did creature say he checked a50 AFTER it was already obvious 50J had been rolestopped?

Weiss Schnee · Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:12 pm

UNVOTE:

Weiss Schnee · Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:14 pm

but 50J claimed all his shit so early and its so fucking convoluted how the fuck would it come from scum

occam's razor still says 50J town it's just mechanically possible that Creature/50J is a PT and Creature copped nips and got a guilty

Weiss Schnee · Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:17 pm

In post 2571, Creature wrote:I copped A50 N1 and got no result

2571

Weiss Schnee · Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:19 pm

In post 2491, Titus wrote:My night action to visit 50 Powers might have failed. I was also assigned desperate modifier.

2491

Weiss Schnee · Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:21 pm

So Creature knows 50J was rolestopped so he can dump action there after copping Nips and learning miller

that'd be fancy af but it is possible

otherwise can a renegade self-target for ascetic?

Weiss Schnee · Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:22 pm

In post 1, Boonskiies wrote:Each night, you may give a modifier (out of a given list) out to a player. This can be a permanent modifier or apply to only the next action.

I see no restriction on targeted player, let me check though

Weiss Schnee · Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:45 pm

2491 confirms to Creature that 50J wasn't rb'd but he wouldn't know if he was rolestopped or if Titus was rb'd unless 50J had also failed on on his self-target (i.e. tried to give himself ascetic and failed)

Weiss Schnee · Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:51 pm

there's only an hour difference tho so that's like a lotta connections to make that fast

still, the key questions (how does 50J know flips is miller as renegade?) are basically answered in a 50j/creature PT pair

it's that convoluted fucking mess vs.

"RCE successfully gambited having a roleblock shot it makes no sense for him to have"

which is my main problem with RCE scum atm

Weiss Schnee · Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:55 pm

that whole fucking thing is just hours after daybreak too

it makes more sense for creature to have actually failed on A50 tbh, and if he did then he couldn't have rolecopped nips and thus A50 has no mechanism to gambit nips as miller

so I think it still makes more sense for RCE scum here, I just have no idea how he pulled a roleblock shot as part of his fakeclaim out of his ass, that's weird for an x-shot split scum renegade

Weiss Schnee · Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:47 pm

In post 2982, 50 Judge Powers wrote:
In post 2694, chkflip wrote:50 needs to make a Goddamn appearance so we know who our 4 off-the-table townies are.
As far as I'm quote up (this post I'm quoting) Nip isn't cleared. I get the feeling I was targeted by an Alien (a combination of Jailkeeper & Rolestopper for those who don't know what an Alien is) and this would be the simplest explanation for why TWO players actions failed on me (assuming Creature is telling the truth). If that's the case, then I was recharged because my action didn't go through due to the JK, and not because my target was not group scum.

~The brainy one.

In post 3096, 50 Judge Powers wrote:
In post 2966, Titus wrote:@A50 did you get a message explicitly stating you were recharged?

YES

In post 3949, 50 Judge Powers wrote:
In post 3701, Chara wrote:i thought Almost's final claim was Desperate. Weak was something he was talking about earlier.

my understand is Weak = die on scum/millers, and Desperate = die on scum/millers, action fails on town. distinct enough.
No. I am WEAK .. AND .. DESPERATE.. and it was explained to me in MY ROLE PM that Desperate means my action fails if my target is not a member of the Scum team (and then I asked and learned also Millers are treated as if they were members of the Scum team for all I'm concerned).

It was also explained to me in my Role PM that WEAK would make me die if I targeted a member of the Scum team (and then I asked... reread in between the brackets above)

I am also 1-shot, but my shot gets refunded whenever it fails (and then I asked and found out it fails on ANYONE not a member of the Scum team, so it would fail if my target was 3P too. Furthermore, my action fail could be due to my target being a Commuter, or having been Rolestopped, or if I'm RB'd ... etc)

@Fonz: I can't visit you tonight, as I'm taking my wife out for dinner.

In post 4239, 50 Judge Powers wrote:
In post 4006, Haggle wrote:@A50, Titus and Chemist, did you get a message from the mod that your ability no longer worked?
You're obviously
not reading MY posts
then. I DID NOT BLOODY GET ANY FUCKING MESSAGE TO THAT EFFECT. I got MY BLOODY 1-SHOT RECHARGED. That is the ONLY PM I got.

In post 4268, 50 Judge Powers wrote:
In post 4040, Chara wrote:my guesses are Almost misunderstanding

Boon: Can I quote my Role PM and get modkilled for it, but receive no site-wide ban??

Alternatively, we could lynch me and see how my Role PM is phrased exactly, the lynch Titus next (my bet is she would also be a mislynch) and you all can live happily ever after.

In post 4779, 50 Judge Powers wrote:
In post 4772, davesaz wrote:Actions that fail because of a modifier or things like when the target is ascetic are not refunded when they fail.

Dear Mighty God have mercy on us all, for NOBODY is reading!

I already explained I do get recharged if my action "didn't go through".
This is why I asked what the difference between "not going through" and "action fail" was. It was explained to me that
if my action fails due to my modifier OR if I was blocked/jailed or targeted a Commuter/Hider/Ascetic I get recharged.

In post 5248, 50 Judge Powers wrote:Hold the freak on! I have just received a PM from Boon and I'm requesting more info before I announce my updated info. (I am as confused as hell right now, so try to be patient for a few more minutes.. hopefully)

In post 5253, 50 Judge Powers wrote:
In post 5250, Bambi Jay wrote:
In post 5248, 50 Judge Powers wrote:Hold the freak on! I have just received a PM from Boon and I'm requesting more info before I announce my updated info. (I am as confused as hell right now, so try to be patient for a few more minutes.. hopefully)
Let me guess: You actually didn't get refunded and now we suddenly all jump on Nips.
THAT is what has been confusing me. I was not recharged, yes, but then I didn't die.

Weak: Does from targeting Scum
Desperate: Action foes through if they "come across" as Scum

So Nips is a Miller is the only explanation I could think of. My action did go through (because he does return a guilty to a Cop), but I didn't die (because he is not actually Scum). I mean, Boon did restate those two Modifiers definitions in the update. I didn't know targeting a Miller would NOT kill me. In fact I thought
it would
.

In post 5256, 50 Judge Powers wrote:
@Mod: Would you be kind enough as to post:
1- The definition of the WEAK modifier
2- The definition of the Desperate modifier
3- The answer to this question: Would a DOCTOR PROTECTION save a WEAK Role from dying die to visiting Scum?

I don't think this has anything to do with my claim or my claimed action. I could still be lying. It just explains how the mechanics in general work in this game. THANK YOU

Like this is waaaaaay too convoluted to be a gambit built around creature rolecopping flips right?

Weiss Schnee · Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:57 pm

Why does rce claim a rb shot he doesn't have tho?

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:22 am

Scum killed too but yeah other than that

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:02 am

Refresh us on language of recharged.and spec on why rce as scum claims to have a rb shot @50j?

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:25 am

In post 9323, 50 Judge Powers wrote:Wait! RCE did claim being Ascetized. Correct?

Yes, night 1

also

VOTE: RCE

doubt you fake forgetting who you targeted

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:25 am

In post 9322, 50 Judge Powers wrote:Did he claim the RB shot BEFORE he claimed Ascetic? (I don't even have recollection of him claiming the RB shot). If so, then that's it.

he claimed the rb shot pretty late in the game

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:26 am

In post 6058, RCEnigma wrote:I'm a joat. I do have a roleblock, I did not roleblock Titus.

6058

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:28 am

In post 2547, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 2526, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 2518, davesaz wrote:
In post 2494, Titus wrote:Scum assigned Desperate at start of night 1.
I think there is a little reaching going on here.
You received a desperate (if we believe that) before your action took place. Whether it was beginning of night or not is another question.
But I can't find a scum motivation for claiming this and specifically claiming something that would cement A50 unless A50 is also scum.
Which means you're probably town but possibly misguided about what happened.
She is CLEARLY saying, “desperate” wasn’t in her role pm. I think Titus knows that her role has to have been changed. Titus is not terrible at understanding game mechanics, so I don’t understand why you are doubting this. Didn’t the fact that Expresso kill, eliminate cop-like abilities make you realize it’s very likely possible, if not actually probable?
I'd buy it, I was made Ascetic last night.

Someone giving out modifiers sounds a lot like Profiis inventor claim in LNT.

asceticized n1

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:39 am

kinda feel like off play it should be nips somehow I just don't know what mechanic could be used to fuck up your check tbh

still probably?? correct to do rce first

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:37 am

yeah but
a) do u think 50J gets creature to go along with checking him to softbus when he's asceticizing himself?
b) do u think scum was like informed of flips miller?
c) do u think 50J forgets he asceticized u n1 or pretends he forgot to asceticize u n1?

vs.
what is the mech explanation that allows nips to be scum short of a 50j aneuryism?

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:39 am

UNVOTE:

here I'll take pressure off

can literally anyone come up with a way that nips could be scum mechanically?

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:56 am

In post 9336, RCEnigma wrote:Nothing makes sense. Is it just me?!?

like scum role is confirmed to be an x-shot split scum renegade already

so what fucking more could he want

for BEf to be scum, creature would have to have set himself to be lynched immediately after a bef flip RIGHT AFTER he says BEF visited a dead guy!

nope

for 50J scum, he had to have been informed nips was miller mechanically, then built a convoluted as fuck roleclaim to dump all his actions, THEN FAKED a fucking day long delay on a mechanical result while also getting CREATURE to go along with a weird mechanical gambit that involved knowing he was rolestopped so creature could dump his result?????? wtf is that play

????

for nips scum 50 had to have visited him as "weak" and have him not die????

for RCE scum he had to have gambited no one would EVER call him having a roleblock shot in a game with 2 FRUIT VENDORS???

what is this game

LOL

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:54 am

Boon says renegade would have to be able to self target and weak should always die without "death preventing role" which does not include doctor

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:54 am

Renegade *rolecard would have to specifically say it could self target

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:21 am

Rolestopper not work either he says

So bef as fucking ninja renegade? Lolololololol

I don't fucking know man feel like I need drugs to solve this shit

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:25 am

Reflexive weak canceller lololololol

*smokes blunt *

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:18 pm

Hmm rce faking ascetic maybe explains why bambi 'forgot' to check ascetic on rce?

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:17 pm

Fair

is there any world where BEF is scum here and everything I know about how creature plays scum is wrong? I don't think there is but it's you or I guess 50J made the most insane fucking fakeclaim I've seen in my life

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 25, 2020 4:14 pm

so what u think rce?

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:08 pm

Which one is it?

Weiss Schnee · Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:42 pm

Nips it's all up to you. Who is the scumbutt between the remaining candidates????

Weiss Schnee · Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:43 am

Well setup spec isn't helping here. 2 town vigs might be a bit much vs. 2 weak town roles is kinda weird too. Rce+odd vig would be 2 diff gs killers. But 50j's role just sounds more convoluted than anything else.

Now if 50j can't self target as rene and didn't asceticize himself then we have no explanation for why titus's second desperate neighborize didn't kill her. But bambi emphasizing that point is one reason I've skeptical of it lol

Amrun and Titus both leaned rce here tho

Weiss Schnee · Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:46 am

In post 8787, Bambi Jay wrote:That and appearantly Titus checked him twice.

This post is spooky lol

The first time was rolestopped so if rene can self target second could have asceticized self n2 to set up a fake clear from titus

I can see the scum strategy I just can't reconcile it with 50j's play LOL he seems too genuinely worked up about the claim tbh

Weiss Schnee · Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:47 am

But saying rene cannot self target then it makes a bit more sense for rce to have faked it I guess, because otherwise we cannot account for titus's second check not killing her

Weiss Schnee · Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:34 pm

In post 5138, Creature wrote:50 Judge Powers - Ascetic miller
Creature - Rechargeable cop + PT cop + tracker JOAT
Haggle - 1-shot bulletproof
Joan of Arc - Doctor
Chara - 1-shot bodyguard
Chemist1442 - Odd night hider
BrightEyedFish
Amrun
Bambi Jay
AaronFrost
RCEnigma
Venus and Mars
Emperor flippyNips - Ascetic godfather
The Fonz
Doctor Drew - Universal backup
Adorable - Rolecop
Titus - Desperate neighborizer
chkflip - Rolestopper
davesaz

I presume these are the claims, right?

weird random thought but why did Creature think Haggle was 1-shot BP?

Weiss Schnee · Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:34 pm

and why did he think 50JP was "ascetic miller"?

Weiss Schnee · Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:48 pm

In post 2298, Titus wrote:I'd eat my hat if one of R and J, Haggle and Emperor is not scum.

just felt like quoting this lol

Weiss Schnee · Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:49 pm

In post 9362, BrightEyedFish wrote:Like 90% of this game has been setup/mech spec

yeah it helped me get to creature but now it's kinda running out of juice

Weiss Schnee · Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:03 pm

VOTE: RCE

shouldn't it still just be this somehow? idk man

I'm kinda annoyed a proper solve isn't jumping out at me

Weiss Schnee · Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:10 pm

In post 2364, Emperor flippyNips wrote:
In post 2302, Bambi Jay wrote:I'm gonna get back into this game day 2, because frankly Elsa is taking all the screen time atm.

But yeah, I only have a vague idea of what's going on now and I hope night actions make this better.

See!! I’m not the only one!

....but what about Elsa?

feels weird for s/s

Weiss Schnee · Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:12 pm

RCE did you ever claim what your other shots were before they were disabled?

Weiss Schnee · Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:14 pm

1 shot = disloyal vig
1 shot = roleblock shot
1 shot = ????

Weiss Schnee · Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:54 pm

Huh

Well do you think nips is ~somehow~ scum or do u think 50 smoked the ennnnnntire bowl for his fakeclaim?

Weiss Schnee · Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:24 pm

Have we identified all of the 'new mutations' yet?

Weiss Schnee · Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:25 pm

The ad said.3.but op says 'yeah'

Weiss Schnee · Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:27 pm

A role that is 'only' miller still sounds kinda weird even tho there are 2 nonvisiting roles, but both of those had other components

Flips role is the most 'simple' in the entire game which is weird

Weiss Schnee · Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:40 am

I guess I will play out:
Ascetic renegade
Chk rolestop on you prevents your shot from recharging?

so your visit failed but no recharge because of rolestop?

Does the language of your recharge seem like a targeted ability at all?

Weiss Schnee · Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:53 am

Wait did nips ever get fish tho

Weiss Schnee · Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:29 am

Man this would be easier if Amrun had actually targeted someone other than RCE so we could know RCE's RB shot was actually real

We have

RCE as scum ascetic renegade claims being 'asceticized' n1 after other claims goes out, then later gambits having a roleblock shot which (conveniently) doesn't get proven false because Amrun targets wrong person

vs.

50J as scum ascetic renegade decides to claim 'desperate weak recharged visitor' on day 1 and works with Creature to rolecop nips n1; creature gets a "miller" result and tells this to 50J who then uses it to create an even more convoluted mech result to his claim while creature soft busses him with an ascetic 'guilty' that allows creature to back off if necessary but would also give creature towncred if 50J goes through after he used most of his shots. Then he gets accidentally cleared by Titus failing her action on him twice and also doesn't seem ascetic because he's rolestopped n1 by chk. The 'delay' in the guilty is actually a delay in 50J asking boon what would happen if he DID target nips as a miller. Also he can't remember who he asceticized night 1 while he was giving titus desperate and chemist loyal. also he hard busses the fuck out of joan for lulz

vs.

flippy is a... night 1 scum ascetic and 50J's shot failed to recharge because of chk's rolestop, and he gets to ride out the whole game and also can still receive fish because he's not aLwAyS aScEtIc

pretty much every slot that has a chance to flip scum only makes sense as scum if they basically began as a "ascetic x-shot mafia renegade" with some sort of condition added in the case of nips

I do think the game makes 1% more sense if RCE is scum due to the timing of creature's replace out but that doesn't do much for me and doesn't explain why RCE decided to gambit on having a roleblock shot in a game with 2 fruit vendors

Weiss Schnee · Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:08 am

In post 9380, Weiss Schnee wrote:flippy is a... night 1 scum ascetic and 50J's shot failed to recharge because of chk's rolestop, and he gets to ride out the whole game and also can still receive fish because he's not aLwAyS aScEtIc

actually I asked boon and 50 should still get recharged even if he's rolestopped so even this scenario doesn't work lol

Weiss Schnee · Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:56 pm

It's kinda unclear whether the scum actually were limited in which partners they knew. Aaron was because he was traitor, not full scum. The main groupscum did not share a PT with their partners but it seems like they could have known all their members?

Still, I mean, yeah he could have just bussed Joan either way. It's more the way he pushed Joan that seemed townie to me rather than the fact that he pushed her so hard

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:46 am

In post 9412, 50 Judge Powers wrote:@Weiss: The above post is also for you. How does a Miller who knows I die targeting Millers not call me out when I say I visited him and didn't die AND was recharged? Why does he wait until I was corrected to claim Miller? And why didn't he claim on D1 when not only I, but also L & L both claimed we would die if we targeted a Miller?

Conversely, not claiming millet d1 is definitely in nips townrange and

Honestly if he understood your claim enough to make that argument I would have thought he was being coached

Nips is cool, we met irl, I like him, but saying he is 'not a mech player' would be an understatement after what I saw in K's anime upick

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:51 am

I would lynch nips if I could come up with literally any mech explanation as to why he isn't mech town

Either me or bef dies tonight I assume so it's be weaksauce to go out lynching mech town just as bad as not figuring out the weird consequences of this puzzle

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:55 am

Altho to slightly support bef's concern it would make sense for scumteam to be informed of juvenile delinquent

But yeah that still doesn't itself make 50j scum

50j scum pretty much requires him to have been partners with creature

Which if they weren't? Informed of partners would explain the strong antiassociatives with joan and bambi

Ehhhhhhhh still not in love with it tho

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:08 am

are you sure you're not scum?

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:41 am

We're not no lynching

I'm not entirely opposed to the idea of jettisoning flippy just so that lylo is exclusively composed of readable and I think it's healthy for the game for you and BEF to think through whether you are town by play while people are still alive

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:41 am

50 why do you think Nancy didn't land you as town?

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:49 am

In post 9426, Emperor flippyNips wrote:yepp, i left out that i'm also a supersaint

Wait is this a joke or not?

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:50 am

In post 9433, 50 Judge Powers wrote:She wanted to nuke me out of frustration, not as a result of a SR.

I thought that was titus, or was it both

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:51 am

50 what do you think about rce?

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:56 am

Do you think boon would design a version of Renegade that would get RB shots after running out of renegade vends? Is that plausible?

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:57 am

Lynch RCE, see if scum is forced to NK flips could be interesting

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:14 am

In post 9440, 50 Judge Powers wrote:Trying to outguess Boon as a mod is even more ridiculous than trying to guess what he's doing as a player (and I mean as either).

Yeah I know it's tempting to say "anything is possible" but I think boon does have limits... maybe

...suddenly godfather shot kekekeke

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:18 am

lynch rce, if game isn't over and I die confirm super saint claim, BEF vote flips, 50J hammer flips, see endgame

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:29 am

In post 9441, Weiss Schnee wrote:...suddenly godfather shot kekekeke

ruined the joke, it was a governor shot herpaderp

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:02 pm

If bef dies, confirm super saint, I vote flips, you vote flips

If you die... idk, lynch flippy probably, not sure order would matter, I might be okay hammering there

If flippy dies I think I'd lynch you over bef

All of these scenarios do require the game to not end with rce lynch of course

If flippy retracts supersaint claim I'd probably lynch there anyway but order of votes might not matter

Idk do any of these seem unreasonable?

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:02 pm

In post 9445, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 9442, Weiss Schnee wrote:lynch rce, if game isn't over and I die confirm super saint claim, BEF vote flips, 50J hammer flips, see endgame
I'll hammer supersaint today IDC.

You feel pretty strong on 50j town?

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:04 pm

Fair but isn't he guaranteed to lose in 3 way then?

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:04 pm

In post 9449, RCEnigma wrote:Nope but I feel strongly about bef town and probably you town. So it can get sorted tomorrow.

If 50j is scum and flippy is supersaint then there is no tomorrow? 2 town deaths + scum kill = gg?

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:07 pm

Walk me through your read on 50j?

Weiss Schnee · Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:07 pm

In post 9454, RCEnigma wrote:I do think it's a fake claim regardless.

True the bigger worry is that it's a shitpost from town