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So, we know Korina is judge and jury. I can only assume he is also executioner.
We also probably want tonot guiltyMinstrel since scum will likely guilty to force the lynch. And the stated reason for this trial is based on what is apparently a joke-claim.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Counterpoint: the VT is effectively an IC in this game.In post 269, ObviousScum wrote:
He also hasn't claimed any significant town powers. If the slot is just a VT, then mislynching a VT and going into night before the town power structure is revealed with bad pushes can be very pro-town. Conversely, he's already retracted a joke wincon which both heads wrote a poem to sell so I don't really see this slot as town tbhIn post 262, Rautherdir wrote:We also probably want to not guilty Minstrel since scum will likely guilty to force the lynch. And the stated reason for this trial is based on what is apparently a joke-claim.
Counterpoint 2: THE GAME JUST STARTED. JOKE CLAIMS ARE TO BE EXPECTED. Unless the claim is miller. Or that other claim as soon as possible role that I can't remember off the top of my head.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Ah, yeah. That would have been broken. Then again I guess there isn't anything stopping someone from forging a role pm.
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I'm going to guess after the trial ends.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Okay cool.In post 275, ObviousScum wrote:
he claimed the poetry wincon after he was trialedIn post 271, Rautherdir wrote:Counterpoint 2: THE GAME JUST STARTED. JOKE CLAIMS ARE TO BE EXPECTED. Unless the claim is miller. Or that other claim as soon as possible role that I can't remember off the top of my head.
Counterpoint 3: He claimed the joke-wincon after he was trialed.Alt of Theta Alpine
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From what I can tell, the trial required a vote to start. Meaning more then one player voted to trial Minstrel. At this point in the game I'm fairly certain there aren't any town reasons to do a trial on a player.In post 285, ObviousScum wrote:
sureIn post 280, Rautherdir wrote:Counterpoint 3: He claimed the joke-wincon after he was trialed.
but why then are you operating under the assumption that, if he was trialed simply because korina (cult) wanted him to be trialed, that he is therefore town?
My point is more that we shouldn't end the day this early. If we could abstain I'd go for that but the risk of scum forcing our lynch is too high. I'm not saying Minstrel is town. I'm just saying we can't risk ending the day this early and going into day 2 when not everyone has even posted (I think. I might be wrong there.)Alt of Theta Alpine
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Also, nice to play another game with you Hectic. Guess I'm keeping you from getting lynched yet again. And if you're a Jester this game maybe just tell us, so we can get that over with?
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I believe ending the day while we're still in RVS is anti-town.Alt of Theta Alpine
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I'm saying I would abstain on Minstrel if I could, but the possibility of a forced mislynch is too high. I'm also saying it's been less then 24 hours since the day started and quick-lynching is heavily anti-town without a guilty. And even with a guilty it's still bad.Alt of Theta Alpine
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See here's the thing. You say this like we have to evaluate the slot right now. We don't. We can just not guilty the slot today and then if we later decide that slot is scum, lynch them on a later day.In post 301, ObviousScum wrote:It could be. But you're acting like you should, as policy, innocent Minstrel, which seems like a good way to not take a position on his alignment or take the time to sort him. Why would you prefer a continued RVS in a bastard cult game rather than evaluating the slot that you functionally have to evaluate right now?Alt of Theta Alpine
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It's just for today. And I'm 90% sure if we don'tIn post 312, Chemist1422 wrote:I don't want to commit to giving Minstrel lynchproof tbhnot guiltyMinstrel they'll end up being found guilty.Alt of Theta Alpine
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It's guaranteed multiball.In post 314, Chemist1422 wrote:big "we" there tbh
does the likelihood that it's multiball change anything for you tbh?
And no. It doesn't. It's just as anti-town to quick-lynch.Alt of Theta Alpine
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If it's a gambit then we can guarantee that the jury is scum. And then if we ever find out that Minstrel is part of the jury then we lynch them.In post 316, Chemist1422 wrote:oh I didn't realize it ended day tbh
feel like this could be a gambit but I guess I'll move to not guilty tbhAlt of Theta Alpine
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My statement still stands.In post 322, Korina wrote:The Jury isn't even a slot lmao. It's a role that covers many people. I'll reveal that much about how it works. Any other jurists can confirm that statement.
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Since when is ending a day less then 24 irl hours in good for town? Please tell me that. I have a light-town read on minstrel because why in the world would multiple people have a scum read on a slot less then 24 hours after the game began.
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Jester lynch wouldn't have ended the game and a Jester lynch would have been a not-me lynch, so yeah.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Yeah, me and Hectic are talking about Grand Idea uPick, hosted by Korina. In which I was a werewolf and Hectic was a Jester, and I ended up town-reading Hectic and calling off their lynch because they were too scummy to be scum. (That was a brief summary and I might have mis-remembered exactly how it went down.)In post 331, Chemist1422 wrote:there's very low value in a jester claiming this early for one reason tbh
it's boring tbh
I also just learned by accident that you can highlight text in a post and hit quote and only the highlighted text will be quoted. Didn't know that.
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This is not the most bastard game so far. I have been in a game where I was basically a Mafia Jester. (Mafia Goon, but could only actually win if I was lynchedandthe rest of the Mafia achieved their win-con.)Alt of Theta Alpine
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It's been less then 24 hours since the game started. I would be more surprised if someone claimed their actual role this soon after the game started. (With the exception of those roles that should claim as early as possible.)In post 340, ObviousScum wrote:Why are you indifferent to him backpedaling on a claim, joke or not?Alt of Theta Alpine
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I mean, there's a non-zero chance of that being possible. Korina actually flipped having that ability, basically.In post 343, TrueSoulHustler wrote:
So if I went /Modkill (Player)In post 261, Korina wrote:In post 252, ObviousScum wrote:But presumably people can still roleclaim via whisper so long as they don't quote?Yes, you can claim your role in whispers, so long as you're not quoting it or directly pasting it. Just paraphrase your role in whispers, like you would in the main thread. It's not hard.
This is a highly bastard game, where I'm the moderator and the player. Really anything goes in this game.In post 253, DreamingLich wrote:Korina. Could there any roles like forger or janitor?
Could there be a role capable of eavesdropping whispers?
Check post zero. I stated that there is exactly one VT role.In post 254, PeaHen wrote:
Why do you believe the mod is telling the truth about this?In post 241, DreamingLich wrote:I asked the mod. There is exactly one VT. No more, no less. We should threat it as an innocent child which can reveal anytime.
Could I potentially get that player modkilled?
After all you said anything goes.
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Also, just realized that if we have a Jester in the game theywillvote Guilty in these trials. So I'm not sure if we can go for abstain until we know if there's a Jester or not.Alt of Theta Alpine
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They want to get lynched. A guilty on Minstrel in this situation would probably get them lynched.In post 349, Chemist1422 wrote:I don’t get your jester logic tbh
Don’t they want the player not to be lynched so they have a shot at being lynched tbhAlt of Theta Alpine
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... What?In post 354, TrueSoulHustler wrote:-snip-
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Your post here seems like your trying to make people vote guilty.
You Jury?
Also 1 Guilty doesn’t beat all the Non-Guilty’s.
The fact you say “Jester might be guilty so you should not abstain on this”
Is something a town member would say.
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I'm advocating for Not Guilty. Have been for a while.
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Not necessarily if they have a good reason for it.In post 353, Rautherdir wrote:
They want to get lynched. A guilty on Minstrel in this situation would probably get them lynched.In post 349, Chemist1422 wrote:I don’t get your jester logic tbh
Don’t they want the player not to be lynched so they have a shot at being lynched tbh
Also the Jester doesn't directly want to openly reveal themselves either.
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And maybe, maybe not. Depends on the player.Alt of Theta Alpine
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I stated that my reason for light-town-reading Minstrel was because I assumed scum had orchestrated the Trial. Because I didn't see any reason for people to have a scum read on Minstrel this early in the game.In post 370, insomnia wrote:
This seems exaggerated. It was only me and Obvious scum who expressed a scum read for Hectic. So where’s this coming from?In post 329, Rautherdir wrote:Since when is ending a day less then 24 irl hours in good for town? Please tell me that. I have a light-town read on minstrel because why in the world would multiple people have a scum read on a slot less then 24 hours after the game began.
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Jester lynch wouldn't have ended the game and a Jester lynch would have been a not-me lynch, so yeah.
I then stated that picking someone randomly was also an adequate explanation, after Korina effectively stated that was what happened.Alt of Theta Alpine
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^ Basically, I was saying that since there aren't enough scum-reads to create a town-motivation for the Trial, the Trial was probably scum-motivated, which would make Minstrel more likely to be town. I then realized that isn't necessarily true, because they might have picked someone at random.
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I agree that the trial was a waste. It did get us out of RVS but it could have been a lot more effective. Maybe next time don't use an ability like that right out of the gate.
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Why yes. I did in fact say that. Thank you for agreeing with me.Alt of Theta Alpine
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In post 329, Rautherdir wrote:Since when is ending a day less then 24 irl hours in good for town? Please tell me that. I have a light-town read on minstrel because why in the world would multiple people have a scum read on a slot less then 24 hours after the game began.
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Jester lynch wouldn't have ended the game and a Jester lynch would have been a not-me lynch, so yeah.
(Emphasis added be me)In post 374, ObviousScum wrote:
yeah, except it's multiball,In post 372, Rautherdir wrote:I stated that my reason for light-town-reading Minstrel was because I assumed scum had orchestrated the Trial.so all this trial tells us is that the slot is probably not cult. That doesn't make the slot town.
This is the agreement. You agreeing with me that this makes Minstrel not-cult, and otherwise null.Alt of Theta Alpine
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If the person on trial is found guilty then they are immediately lynched, and lynching ends the day, so yes.
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If the person on trial is found not guilty they become lynchproof for the rest of the day, and the day continues.
If everyone abstains, the day continues, but the person on trial does not get lynchproof for the rest of the day.
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Long days are bad for town, yes.
Short days are even worse.Alt of Theta Alpine
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It's just for the rest of the day. And I already know who I want to lynch today, and it isn't Minstrel, so I don't care. Also, I'd Not Guilty just to spite the Jury at this point. They made bad decisions, I'd like to make them live with the consequences.
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It shouldn't be a discussion. That should be basic knowledge.In post 393, ObviousScum wrote:Trying to drag the gamestate into an abstract discussion of day 1 pacing policy I take as a scumclaim
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And probably four other players. Including the dead cult moderator, who said they didn't vote for Minstrel.In post 398, ObviousScum wrote:The jury consisting of the dead cult bastard moderator/player made a bad decision?Alt of Theta Alpine
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I mean. The trial is moot. Town isn't going to come to a decision that Minstrel is scum. Not this early in the game. But if we don't make it obvious then we just give scum the chance to possibly guarantee a kill on town. Which should be avoided if possible.In post 409, ObviousScum wrote:Saying you should give the person on trial a trial is "suicidal"?
If you act as though the trial itself is moot then the votes tell us nothing and we waste an opportunity to evaluate votes cast in stealth
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By saying to give Minstrel an actual trial. Allowing for the chance that Minstrel is found guilty means allowing the day to end at lightspeed.Alt of Theta Alpine
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5 / 23 = 21.7%In post 413, ObviousScum wrote:
so like half the game is in the jury then?In post 401, Rautherdir wrote:
And probably four other players. Including the dead cult moderator, who said they didn't vote for Minstrel.In post 398, ObviousScum wrote:The jury consisting of the dead cult bastard moderator/player made a bad decision?
Which is a lot less then half. (23 because I'm counting both Korina and chkflip as players. Although I'm not sure if chkflip is a player, so it might just be 22)Alt of Theta Alpine
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As far as I can tell the members of the jury had to vote to put Minstrel on trial to make it happen. Which would be 3 or 5 people depending on if it had to be unanimous or not. My reason for town-reading Minstrel was because I assumed scum was responsible for calling the trial, thus making Minstrel less likely to be scum. The fact they chose someone at random could mean town was responsible though, which shifted it to a null read.
You seem to be under the impression Korina is the only reason Minstrel is on trial which to all evidence I can see is not the case.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Since multiple people apparently can't follow the logic in that post, here it is.
In order for there to be a town motivation to put Minstrel on trial, multiple Jurists would have had to have scum-read Minstrel. Since I couldn't believe that to be the case less then 24 hours into the game, that led me to believe the Jurists must have had a scum motivation. Which would make Minstrel less likely to be scum, and more likely to be town.
I neglected to consider that there's a neutral motivation to vote someone at random.
I wasn't talking about scum-reads in thread. I was talking about scum-reads from the jurists.Alt of Theta Alpine
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I'm thinking overly paranoid town right now, I doubt scum would be that obvious.In post 508, insomnia wrote:Alright, you’re cleared buddy, pending further notice.
Thoughts on Iconeum’s progression there?
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This would imply they can't, wouldn't it?In post 561, insomnia wrote:I regret my vote decision.
Or I guess that they are changing their vote decision, because they regret it.Alt of Theta Alpine
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It will make them lynchproof for the rest of the day. Which shouldn't matter as far as I'm concerned.In post 585, TrueSoulHustler wrote:does the person on trial being declared innocent make them lynchproof?
ive heard that thrown around and if so im probably changing my vote to abstain
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Needless to say, it would takeeveryonevoting abstain to both not lynch and not make them lynchproof. Which I doubt would happen considering ObvScum has stated they're voting Guilty.Alt of Theta Alpine
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I seem to recall there being prior discussion of wanting to lynch half of that hydra, but not the other half. Which was actually before this whole trial thing. Anyone here played with Norwegian before? I haven't.In post 601, Doctor Drew wrote:
Definitely could vote Norwee guilty.In post 598, Doctor Drew wrote:I don't think I could ever vote guilty on Hectic, but I definitely could fit Norwee.....but only for reasons.
Not sure where I could fit him.
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I mean, I guess Hectic probably has, but I don't think asking Hectic how Norwegian normally plays would actually work.
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And on the Not Guilty side Korina and 50 Judge Powers didn't explain or hint why they voted Not Guilty. Though I'm not actually expecting Korina to explain himself here.
Can't really analyze Abstain as easily since not voting is counted as Abstaining.Alt of Theta Alpine
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VOTE: DEB
Voting more to maybe make sure you see this: care to explain why you voted Guilty for Minstrel? You didn't give a reason. (I'd also like an explanation from 50 Judge Powers, though honestly they're a hydra so they might have discussed it on their own and forgot to discuss it in the open.)
Basically, I'm wondering if some player of the anti-town persuasion didn't notice that the votes would be public and tried to sneak a vote of Guilty in. Less so looking for a potential Minstrel partner trying to sneak a vote of Not Guilty in, since Minstrel was the one who asked if the votes would be public or not.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Pretty sure they're a hydra.In post 771, a Gun and a Rose wrote:
Hint: he's not a hydra.In post 769, Rautherdir wrote:(I'd also like an explanation from 50 Judge Powers, though honestly they're a hydra so they might have discussed it on their own and forgot to discuss it in the open.)
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Also pretty sure it isn't even a secret one, for that matter.Alt of Theta Alpine
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.......In post 781, a Gun and a Rose wrote:
He's not. It's a "hydra" of three alt accounts.In post 779, Rautherdir wrote:Pretty sure they're a hydra.
Also pretty sure it isn't even a secret one, for that matter.
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Oh.
Well in that case.Alt of Theta Alpine
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Can you even dayvig a dead player?In post 810, Korina wrote:What are you gonna do? Dayvig me?Alt of Theta Alpine
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