Everything Is Still A Lie v2 [Canceled]

[DreamingLich]

I got the same No Result message for all three no results though, so do what you will.

-TL

[Rautherdir]

dreaminglich is fake tbh

they'd have seen me visit someone since I universal millerized night 1 tbh

So, that depends on something. It depends on if I'm actually a Deflector or if I'm actually a Bus Driver. If I'm the former, then yeah. If I'm the later, then AGAAR would have been the actual target of this action.

[Rautherdir]

AGAAR also flipped Ninja, so that result makes sense.

[DreamingLich]

I'm more willing to bet on "chemist was roleblocked" than "I was redirected".

But yeah, a Ninja should generate a tracker inno... If not I'm either insane or paranoid.

-TL

[Rautherdir]

I'm more willing to bet on "chemist was roleblocked" than "I was redirected".

But yeah, a Ninja should generate a tracker inno... If not I'm either insane or paranoid.

-TL

We already know that actions on AGAAR were redirected to Chemist, that I attempted to target both players, and that the actions I submitted don't appear to have actually happened. That implies my role was false and that I'm either a Deflector or a Bus Driver.

[Rautherdir]

Activating a shot of a passive ability also can't normally be roleblocked if I'm correct?

[Frozen Angel]

Well then, would you care to out your targets and results?

Night 1:

No Result on zeebu

Tracker Inno on Chemist1422 (did not see anything)

Night 2:

No Result on polypies73

No Result (again) on Jake the Wolfie

I feel like I should point out that I am loud, announcing, and complicated (can't target simple or vanilla, but is untargetable to them).

-TL

So poly visited noone?

They claimed neighborizer so this makes no sense

[Rautherdir]

Well then, would you care to out your targets and results?

Night 1:

No Result on zeebu

Tracker Inno on Chemist1422 (did not see anything)

Night 2:

No Result on polypies73

No Result (again) on Jake the Wolfie

I feel like I should point out that I am loud, announcing, and complicated (can't target simple or vanilla, but is untargetable to them).

-TL

So poly visited noone?

They claimed neighborizer so this makes no sense

Poly was simple and couldn't be visited by a complex player. No result != No visit.

[Frozen Angel]

I dont get it what does it mean to be simple

[Rautherdir]

Complex/Complicated: Can't target or be targeted by simple players
Simple: Can't target or be targeted by Complex/Complicated players.

[Frozen Angel]

how do we know thats the case?

[Rautherdir]

To be fair, we don't know for sure that DreamingLich is Complicated. We do know that Poly is Simple though.

[Titus]

I have fallen so far behind here. Rauth, tell me what you want.

[Rautherdir]

We're voting on whether or not DreamingLich is scum or not. 50 brought it up with reasons found in post 2487
DreamingLich claimed in post 2545

If you're asking me what I think about DreamingLich? I'm not sure at the moment. However, I could see Lich being town that hit AGAAR, who then told their team-mates who they got hit by. ObviousScum then could have voted to put DreamingLich into the Jury as a gambit, or to maybe try and control where Lich was sent afterwards.

On the other hand, Lich could just be lying.

[Frozen Angel]

did they know poly is simple?

was is claimed somewhere before?

if yes the claim is fake and made up

[Rautherdir]

Poly claimed to have gotten it from Amrun's role when taking Amrun's abilities.
It was evidenced when JacksonVirgo (who has claimed Complicated) was unable to target Poly with their ability.

[Rautherdir]

Completely misread that post. Poly didn't know they were simple until after Jackson claimed no result on Poly, which was earlier today.

[TrueSoulHustler]

@Rauther
So do you think TL is Inno or Guilty?

I’m abstaining but I think J50 is Town with that’s Chikflip whisper.

[Rautherdir]

I'm actually abstaining right now as well, I had been voting Guilty before the claim.

The thing is, scum would have to guess either what ability I have (Something I don't even know at the moment), or that Chemist would have returned an Inno to make that claim. I'm not sure if scum would make a claim like that under normal circumstances. But that just makes it a high-risk gambit, and with everything going on before the trial a gambit like that would probably be needed, especially if Lich is the last member of a faction.

[Rautherdir]

On the other hand, Poly claimed that Mafia didn't visit anyone last night. Meaning either that Simple affects the Spy ability and the remaining Mafia members are Complex, or that Mafia didn't successfully visit anyone last night. Which lines up with Lich's claimed actions if they're Mafia.

[polypies73]

Completely misread that post. Poly didn't know they were simple until after Jackson claimed no result on Poly, which was earlier today.

well actually no, I was just dumb and didn't

realise

I was simple until I properly read Amrun's rc.

Even disregarding the complex/simple issue, why would your track a neighbouriser? Like wether I'm scum or town neighbouriser I'm gonna claim to visit the person I neighbourised.

[polypies73]

Completely misread that post. Poly didn't know they were simple until after Jackson claimed no result on Poly, which was earlier today.

well actually no, I was just dumb and didn't

realise

I was simple until I properly read Amrun's rc.

Even disregarding the complex/simple issue, why would your track a neighbouriser? Like wether I'm scum or town neighbouriser I'm gonna claim to visit the person I neighbourised.

though otherwise the claim is intersting and does seem more townsided meh.

[polypies73]

idk i feel like we're all abstaining and it's kind of bad

[VaultDweller]

idk i feel like we're all abstaining and it's kind of bad

Then don't

[50 Judge Powers]

AGAAR also flipped Ninja, so that result makes sense.

How do we know it's true though?