Doubles Mafia Day 2/ Day 2

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hrm

if we're not actually doing 3 houses theme i'll just play on my main if thats ok

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oh

you think i'm planning to actually play mafia in this game thread

you sweet summer child

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Either you lynch some scum and I win without actually doing anything of importance or you get to xylo and we start playing the game while putting yours on hold, using the comments from people in my game on your game to place everyone

oh no no no i see what ur doing here, its not gonna work

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i don't want to get nightkilled early.

i wasn't planning on doing the absolute most either way but if we're playing my game first i'm gonna stick to shitposting

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northsidegal is a northsidegal
rc is a really good scumplayer

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ok lynch me then

i promise u you are the only slot in both games that wants me to steamroll this game

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i want to play!!!!

i just don't want to be held to expectations other slots are not held to

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can we just not do any of this please

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hi are you scum or town

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you don't actually scumread me, but if you're trying to start a fight you can have one.

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I don't believe you. But say what you want.

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doubles mafia merlin?

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I like my game's playerlist way more than the other one so I propose we just hang about on day 1 while spectating the other game

Yeah IK so we can all just comment on your game as it happens

@RC: it's okay lets be real those slots are probably going to replace out cause ur here so daijoubu

I do actually have an expectation of you that I don't of other people, RC.

I expect your username to be an anagram of "Bowels clad in tar" and you are currently satisfying that expectation

Let's put that into a readslist, shall we?

We are not helping
jjh
DrDolittle

SirCakez
Elmo teh AzN


gobbledygook
Baezu
Amrun
northsidegal
Shuichi Saihara

Jormungand
Lie Ren
BBMolla
Wonderwall

Bernadetta
Trojan Horses
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Locktown, strong town, weak town, null, scum.

look

this game isn't heading in a good direction

let's all not do this

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sup loser

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good hbu

hows the thunder

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how can you be zeus without thunder

VOTE: Trojan Horses

one scum found

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i am not a thot ur a thot

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my main is Titus

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Or they could correct their Hydra name to your VC

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Merlin detected

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We're actually cross game masons and I thought Mastina was calling me scum to pick a fight but she's actually trying to distance to avoid us getting nightkilled

We're gonna fight a lot this game but dw it's all for show

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Speaking of look at 94 this is clearly a scum post lynch it

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I think people are saying I'm town

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Just to be clear I'm serious about effectively spectating the other game in order to preserve our playerlist

this isnt how this game is going to go

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starting the game by saying fuck you i dont like your playerlist so can most of you die so that my game can dominate the read giving is a really trashy way to start this game and you shouldnt do it.

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hi nsg

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are you going to only post in one liners

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yes

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Mastina if you try to call NSG scum when I am not calling her scum thats going to go very badly

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that doesnt sound like a great idea.

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that doesnt sound like a great idea.

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if you say one more word about the playerlist I am going to scumread you for it

this seems like a really good way to create personality conflicts and given your team in TM had no qualms about abetting personality conflicts to win the normal I'm not putting it even slightly past you to be doing this deliberately to destroy town unity because that is objectively what shitting on half of the players in a game accomplishes

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this isn't a policy scumread either. i've been sitting here for a while thinking about how pro-scum a lot of this is. calling RC and NSG both scums to prevent us potentially mutually townreading each other and making us both impossible mislynches? manufacturing drama by calling a bunch of players shitty people to play with?

this isn't okay. and i have never known you as a player who deliberately stirs toxicity and that is exactly what you are doing right now.

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like if the active players aren't scum they are doing a fantastic job of creating a world where scum wins a lobby that is incredibly stacked against them

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ftr i'm ambivalent about Mastina, i don't like what they're doing but i don't necessarily scumread it. jjh feels way way way wrong. he has said nothing besides for repeating a thing that i asked him to stop talking about

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Not talking to you about anything besides spying me and NSG and what I meant with 164 was that I think your play is fine. Like I think your reads are misguided but I don't actually see anything _wrong_ with it. I think it sucks to scumread me and NSG and it has scum motivation but I'm not accusing you of anything.

I believe it would help if you saw what I'm saying regarding Jjh and asked him to stop bringing it up so that he can engage with other aspects of the game.

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I think that if you're claiming that you have reads this certain 7 pages in there's something really wrong with your thinking process.

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RC, could you please make it explicitly clear who the various parts of 160-162 were aimed at

Wow that's rude

I am definitely great

I'm pushing for a mechanical decision where my playerlist, which includes me, has to play a much longer game

I'm not getting a lot of anything that's happened so far besides wanting it to stop

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Okay, so far I’m liking Mastina, Gobbles and jjh for town.

~Nimda

I cannot work with this at all

so you can either lynch me because I am scum accusing your correct reads or you can agree that these reads might be wrong

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i can actually play on lysithea if you prefer

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what do we all think about Baezu townreading a lot of people really early in the game?

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I cannot work with this at all

so you can either lynch me because I am scum accusing your correct reads or you can agree that these reads might be wrong

Or you're just wrong town and our reads are correct lol

this really is not a good starting point

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you should townread me

customer satisfaction or your money back guarantee

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I am town
Sircakez is town
We Are Not Helping disproportionately likely to be town
Baezu I do not think comes flying in townreading a bunch of people, that is gonna look pretty not good as scum, so even though the reads are fairly poorly supported I think that she is town in spite of it

Dis where Im at

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Baezu is heavily hedged on btw

other 3 less so

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ok repeat the question

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i think this game will go downhill very quickly with 2 players removed from it.

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Cakez you asked me about a question and I currently dont feel like rereading: repeat?

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i think that this lobby is so crazy that i am a relatively stabling influence

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which is ur question

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i mean

how is guys i like my playerlist better than that one can we let them all die not shitting on that playerlist

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and like

ok

say it once

but you dont need to keep saying it

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also like

on d1 at least

we are clearly lynching the scummiest player across both lists

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is there any evidence sucm can nightkill inj the otehr game

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one of my big concerns here

is that jjh is pushing us to bring one game to lylo because scum have some way to target people in the other game and end that game

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i am in a hood with a player that is not in my game btw

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hi welcome

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Jormengand so far does not look like town

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saw a lot elmo scumreads

i am not townreading elmo but i am not so sure that their iso so far makes them scum

if someone has meta that this is their scumgame would love to see it

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oh elmo isnt even in my game

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dont at all agree trojan horse but we havent agreed on anything yet this game

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i am not happy about it but i am not scumreading it

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no

i dont

wtf

dont ruin my tea with vodka

and dont ruin my vodka with tea

some things are meant to be kept separate

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wait

who guessed you were skygazer again

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yea that would make sense

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i didnt say u were either

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Hey. Sorry I'm late. I'll catch up soon.

Oh, so we're still going to interact with the other game people.

Maybe I should've read the premise before signing up.

At any rate, I'll bring you my analysis of the events so far tomorrow. I may not be a first-rate detective yet, but that's why we have to work together to find the truth!

someone in this game told me that this was scum indicative (not in this game, this kind of stuff in general)

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projecting your own idea of how you'd play as scum as a means to read others is one of the strongest towntells that i know. i've never actually used this as a tell, but i also imagine that the inverse is true—that scum might be more likely to "scumread" others based off of tells that they don't consider a part of their own scumgame.

(i expect RC to scumread the above - am i right?)

vaguely yes

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I forgot to bookmark this but I’m finding it a little weird to have both threads in one.

I have tomorrow off to mostly devote to Mafia. Thankfully.

Amrun! <3 hope you and your family are doing better

No one has a fever or anything (anymore) so that’s great. But my husband is irritable as shit bc he’s so stressed out from watching the baby and working from home all at once while I’m off in the (semi)trenches. We will live!!

I’ve been too stressed out for Mafia but Jingle asked me to join and the list looked great so I’m going to try my best.

I think we need to stagger night phases personally. I don't think both games should go to night phase the same time.

-bitmap

If my game is in night but the other one isn’t, can I still post?

I can put your fears aside by explaining what I think the setup is, but I probably still shouldn't.

It’s ok. I am now of the opinion that mafia probably just need to win one game to win the overall game

Gobble read the damn rules

Ugh reading is hard
I wonder if they have like double kills

This series of post doesn’t happen with gobbles scum I think.

btw

this is by far the worst iso in the game

its not even close

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Actually nevermind its close I hate Jormens as well

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fact

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very slight townread on bernadetta

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this is so cute

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i havent been gone from mafia for that long but everything about playing feels weird

like ive gone on much longer breaks and come back and had it feel way more natuarl

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Jjh still has done completely nothing reads wise besides calling Mastina town for being Mastina btw.

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I'm fine with everyone starting the game by townreading active people but I'm not convinced jormun lie Amrun Elmo is 4 scum right now

I'm not the highest fan of Jormun but I'm not sure it's our highest equity lynch atm.

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can game christmas start up an elmo wagon

I agree

what do we all think about Baezu townreading a lot of people really early in the game?

My scum reads are actually sircakez and jormun in my game and wonderwall and elmo in the other game

This doesn't give you pause?

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Your pool sucks lol

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Although

Wonderwell Amrun isn't half bad

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NSG is cosplaying as me this game

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Also I believe that as of right now this opinion is unpopular but I don't like Trojan Horses very much.

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They have done very little game content besides buddying up to the JJH Mastina block and I think buddying up to the JJH Mastina block is exactly what scum wants to be doing here.

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It's not what she has done it's what she hasn't done, really.

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Oh

It's not just lack of content either

I'm refraining from judgement until she does more.

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Also I believe that as of right now this opinion is unpopular but I don't like Trojan Horses very much.

<3

Not personal just read

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I'm trying to decide between two versions of the game

Bbmolla is town in one of them and scum in one of them

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I retract my Baezu townread I think. Sorry Baezu

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Actually each game is 2 games so 4 games

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They have done very little game content besides buddying up to the JJH Mastina block and I think buddying up to the JJH Mastina block is exactly what scum wants to be doing here.

What makes this different than what happened in Team Mafia?

-bitmap

This ain't TM

Mastina is like 7th on the list of potential town leaders

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Not personal just read

Wanna talk?

I find it a bit difficult to read Sushi Sahara's posts, seems like there's a lotta fluffy content in there

Umm.

I feel like shuichi is near the highest content density of the game so I'm struggling to grok this

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Essentially she is not considering her reads in totality she is considering her individual reads in a vacuum. One of her scumreads leading on another scumread in a game that heavily disincentivizes bussing should give her second thoughts but she hasn't indicated that she thinks it's important. It's not well thought through at best.

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Well I don't like that version tbh

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Some people are just stubborn and some people are more pliable regardless of their alignment

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Although I'm sure there's some people where that spectrum is alignment relevant

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I think it was heavily connected to the meta it was born in

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Did I give Bernadetta too easy of a townread for just not flaking on the game the minute she saw a scum role PM? Hmm...

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VOTE: We are not helping

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You proved your username true

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Claude is best character

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I mean Bernadetta is objectively a top tier character on black eagles maddening, encloser deadeye and a free +5 strength are pretty ridiculous

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Cuz maybe

Ya maybe

Gonna be the one that saves me

After all

Ur my wun dur wahl

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Nah it deserves to be questioned.

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It was their early defense of me

If I'm wrong on scum gameplan here though they can still be scum

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I mean that's not the only time they townread me

If scum gameplan is to prop up Mastina as town leader and have her overrule correct scumreads like I believe that it is cakez doesn't fit on that team; if that's not the scumteam we are looking at I have to reeval cakes

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I don't think I'm being that cooperative

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Why do you think this is the scumplan?

It’s skeeving me out a bit that you’re being this cooperative but I don’t scumread you

Scum HAVE to be doing something or they are just going to lose and the lurkerscum don't really feel like resigned scum and the only direction that is being pushed, and largely inexplicably to me, is the forced JJH Trojan Mastina townblock only one of which is above null

That strongly signals that that is the scum game plan to me

They're all developing reads as a block and in directions that don't especially make sense to me

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I thought that before it was cool

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who has Trojan in a town block???

Mastina and JJH

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This game feels too easy, actually

Ok you're town

This person too owo

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It would me more accurate to say actually

Trojan is declaring themselves and JJH Mastina a townblock out of nowhere

Mastina also townreading Baezu which is mm

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I think even if Mastina is town propping her up as town leader is much higher equity than trying to play hope that a really strong set of townies who work well together all have off games

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Trojan Horses and JJH succinctly

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(and me)

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It's not just that the read didn't change Baezu it's that sircakez pushing another scum in your list wasn't or didn't seem to be a data point worth considering to you.

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What are your reads then?

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I think exactly 1 of Baezu Sircakez is scum

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If Trojan Horse is town this is going to be a very quick game

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I don't know why I'm giving Jormen so much space tbh

It just feels like that flip is very damaging to town if it flips town

I don't think that it's especially likely to though.

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I could really see all of

Shuichi
RC
Bitfireboipolka
Bernadetta??? (yes this is gonna be contentious)
Trojan

as town

I'm not saying they're all town right now but that's a very viable world

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Why don’t you read me as town RC

-wall

You're not in my game and I don't feel like I can get a majority of votes in your game so I don't really care about influencing it right now.

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Why don’t you read me as town RC

-wall

I see a superposition of possible scumteams and I haven't narrowed them down yet.

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That's more in response to the other post about Trojan

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NSG is pretty boring this game 5/10 and she only gets that for telling bbmolla to fuck off

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CUZ MAYBE YOUR GONNA BE THE ONE THAT SAVES ME

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Let's policy lynch NSG because she kept tunneling me when she was a newbie

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I am bored

I kind of feel like Halloween is already pretty close to solved just like Mastina does only my reads are the reverse of hers

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CUZ MAYBE YOUR GONNA BE THE ONE THAT SAVES ME

Not helpingggg

YOU'RE MY WONDER WALLLL

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Here's a spicy take

NSG is just scum and everyone should know that by now

But it feels like cheating for that to be half of our win condition so let's leave her alive

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Maybe I just want someone else to get nightkilled

Did you consider that

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hmm

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So Jormen is just like outed scum right

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Baezu help me TR u

I feel like this belief is foolhardy. We’ve barely started the game, despite having thirty pages.

this is the much politer version of cephtectives response

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I tentatively townread Lie Ren!

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NSG has priorities straight

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It's going to improve everyone's teamwork if we don't start getting testy about anyone not being conflictual enough. I am quite enjoying the vibes we have going right now.

the fuck did u just say to me u shitcake

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shitcake stupidhara

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She is definitely taking for granted that I am going to prevent her mislynch without her doing much, I will say that.

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well I do not consider anything this game outside of your scum range.

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that is also a true statement but I am a sith who prefers dealing in absolutes

Or at least I would be if i was approaching this normally

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Northsidegal is dead there is only Ruby Red

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I think we can reduce Halloween to 3 potential scum today

Are you saying we're all being idiots this game? Care to explain?

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Ouch.

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but couldn't really think of a way to do it better in the small time that i gave it consideration.

is what I was ouching at.

Can you give a Halloween readslist or is there a deliberate reason that you are not doing so

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Well I can't say I disagree with any of those placements.

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Other than the lack of a townread on me but I wasn't really expecting one.

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A grudge between me and NSG?

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Shuichi wdyt about Lie Ren

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U ain't in my game DDL

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Sorry if this is control freak RC-y but can we hold off on voting people past L-3 this early in the day

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That spooks me

I feel like there has to be some sort of obnoxious scum mechanic like a hammerer or something to make this balanced and I don't want to take chances

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Idk do towny things

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Do we think that Trojan Jormen can be 2 scum

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If I townread Bernie and trust the combination of all of my townreads reads that's the leftovers

Idk how right that feels, I'm mulling it over

I kind of like having a scum in Baezu Sircakez more but eh

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Not personal just read

Wanna talk?

I find it a bit difficult to read Sushi Sahara's posts, seems like there's a lotta fluffy content in there

Yeah honestly what

I find it really hard to see this coming from town

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a lotta fluffy content in there

This isn't true. I am providing analysis.

Not personal just read

Wanna talk?

I find it a bit difficult to read Sushi Sahara's posts, seems like there's a lotta fluffy content in there

Umm.

I feel like shuichi is near the highest content density of the game so I'm struggling to grok this

Yeah like I said at the time this post was just, uh, at odds with reality in the best possible interpretation and gut pings scummy aside from that.

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I want to look at Cakez/TH and Cakez/Jormengar teams but I'll do that later. I'm rather okay with that scumteam

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Literally Poe

Who else is supposed to be scum

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Like I definitely have some hasty reads that I need more time to shore up on but assuming nothing changes with my reads the Poe is pretty tight

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Also I kind of feel like we need to win off Halloween alone because people in Christmas have some pretty pepega reads ngl

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Like Christmases reads on Halloween are fine

Christmases reads on Christmas confuse me

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But maybe that's just Mastina

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I am not 100% sure on any of this

but it seems like Christmas starting townblock is something like

Bbmolla, Gobbles, NSG

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not naming names

but someone

told everyone in christmas to not play the game and to just chill while halloween played

so no one really did anything in christmas...

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scum can just ff this one at 15

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ye

i suppose he could be town here

cakey trojan or smth?

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Man you are declaring people obvious scum with a confidence that feels a little excessive to me

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can i ask as a favor for christmas to follow the same hey lets not lynch anyone too quickly or put anyone past l-2 or whatever

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2 things

1 im worried that theres vote fuckery for scum
2 i want us to be in a good place to start ending days before we start ending days. we are not there

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I do still think Jor could be scum btw

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Wonderwell do u think I should be locktowning jorburger or something

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For the record, I didn't imply Sushi had no content; rather that that there was a lot of fluff. This was direct from my first statement that I found his posts difficult to read.
While propping up Mastina as a town leader to get RC/NSG lynched sounds like a great strategy, why ignore the fact that I did that early game?
It's easy to notice I stopped "sheeping Mastina" quite fast and began voting for my own scumreads.

There was a point where not everyone was townreading me and that was the point where you were offering to vote me

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I am still spiritually fine with deading Jormen

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I know one of them for certain and I have an alt guess I'm happy with on another.

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I will give u cookies if ur first scumread on cakes was rite

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My read accuracy is still the same.

Getting some flashbacks to you and Skitter insisting someone was town and you self hammering rather than lynch scum

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I'm officially endorsing killing Mastina dead btw

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But this is less based off of me having a read on her and more based off of the universality of scumreads on her from my townreads and my lack of desire to second guess everyone

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I think Datisi is deepwolf this game

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I did

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Yo Cakez let's lynch jormungar

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Btw I retract my endorsement of Mastina Lynch

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Why can't I be town leader

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Ok

I'm thinking there's a 60% chance there's 2 scum in {Sircakez Trojan Jorburmanheimer}

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oi gobbles u enjoying this game

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I'm curious about Jormengand's profile picture. Is it a specific reference to something, or something guessable?

It's not a reference. It is guessable what it

is

but it's not a

reference

to anything specific. Apart from a fun fact about me, I guess.

[line][/line]

Anyway, back on the game: I have no ideas, other than "I have no idea where anyone's getting their reads from so that's weird, huh."

Oh yeah, wagon me while I'm asleep, that's great. Don't worry, I'm used to dying early on both sides so I guess I'll just readslist and hope that I make sense. These aren't in any particular order 'cause I just grabbed them up at random:

SirCakez - I can understand the poke vote on me from town PoV, so that's fair. I don't... get the read on Elmo? So I'm kinda wondering on Cakez's reasoning there but honestly overall seems NAI.
Trojan - seems to be actually trying to to gamesolve so Imma say probably town, especially with the amount of detail they're going into.
We Are Not Helping - is not helping. A large amount of their ISO is just memeing, and while Trojan was also memeing a little and going on about my avatar, Trojan was also actually doing work. Over a hundred posts in, WANH has posted meaningful content in a tiny minority of them, which to me comes off as slightly scummy.
Baezu - I don't like the thing of posting reads without actually explaining those reads. While I don't want to OMGUS, especially not on a read, sheeping someone who said that it was suspicious to know that something was "Random nonsense" between reading it and properly analyzing it (???) seems like a bit of a weak sheep, and the rest of the reads aren't explained at all.
Bernadetta - Doesn't seem to be... actually doing much? Literally just meming around instead of playing, which isn't very towny from my experience.
FireMaPoka - does this player even have any posts? I don't think so, or at least I can't find them (PEDIT: Hey, I found out how to do ISOs without having to find an actual post by the player. Yeah, user has no posts.)
Lie Ren - As above, so below.
Shuichi - Not much to tell from the first three posts. I know as well as everyone that not reading anyone until you've had some time to think and sleep isn't a scumtell.

So on this side of the game, I'd like to see more analysis from most of the players,

especially

the ones who are scumreading players for no reason other than not having posted analysis yet (give us a chance, some of us are ill and/or multitasking. Also I prefer to wait until I have more to work with) - if you

have

got a scumread on someone, then you should have at least some reasoning to explain; if you

have

got the energy for a hundred and one posts, then post something useful. If someone doesn't have reads, I think they should get a chance to make some. I can tell you now that scumreading people just because they were slightly late to the party isn't helpful.

(Also, I don't always have the energy to do things, and seeing how much energy I put in earlygame be brought up as a tell is really disheartening. It's a longform game, I'll get around to my reads eventually.)

The gap from here to here really feels like

Scum told him he needs to give reads so he gave reads

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How is this game different from newbie 1989 from Jormen GIF?

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ILL DO YOU ONE BETTER WHY IS DATISI

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Like this feels like pretty identical to 1989

There's an exact parallel in the progression from herpaderp I don't got no reads to giving a weird readslist to giving up

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Also *screams internally* is how I feel when I roll scum tbh

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Like compare the two trajectories

QQ everyone posts too much!
I can't generate reads even though I'm trying but I need more time!
Gives player by player reads list that only quasi makes sense

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I dunno I see the logic in voting TH but I really don't feel like it tbh

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Enough I don't want any early lynches if that's ok

I want Christmas to do things >_>

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I am not apathetic.

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I'm fine with everyone starting the game by townreading active people but I'm not convinced jormun lie Amrun Elmo is 4 scum right now

I'm also having this concern.
It's never as easy as 4 scummy low-content players.

Except wasn't it that easy in Civilization Mafia, minus the low content players actually being scummy?

Not after I subbed in

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Lie could be nontown

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Oh I know who Nimda is

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I would prefer to describe it as retracted a very easily given townread than scumreading.

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I have the slightest tiniest smallest feeling there is some sort of grudge I don't understand here

A grudge between me and NSG?

ye

oh yeah i just got back to this

it was interesting

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There is value to be had in paragons being alive, if they are town--but they wouldn't be paragons if they were rattled, if they were shaken, by an incorrect scumread on their slot. They wouldn't be paragons if someone incorrectly scumreading them threw them off their beat, threw them off their kilter, kept them from putting in a paragon-level performance.

And there is value to be had in paragons being alive, if they are town--but if they aren't town, then why the fuck would I fear pushing scum just off of the value of "what if they're town", given the above? Given that being erroneously scumread shouldn't rattle, shouldn't shake, a paragon winner, there's no reason not to state a scumread on one.

Yes we know you hate the fact that I won paragon.

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You don't say what you said in 1177 if you're neutral emotionless, so