On the Flying Scumsman (Abandoned)

[The Searchers]

hai

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I'm highly disappointed that Alisae is not acquainted with our flavor.

VOTE: Flavortown
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

SirCakez is here
you guys really sprung 6 pages on me overnight

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re 5 I guess
w/e reading up

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Despair Night is probably scum what a crappy entrance and follow-up.
Latios maybe scum need more.
Mikoto and Kuroko is town.
That's what I got.
Checking with Ircher before voting Despair Night but that's where I want to go.

I don't know most peoplee in this game and can't partake in the inside jokes

I have CTRL-F'd my name and am pleased with the results, keep it up guys

VOTE: The Searchers <--------- serious vote!

~Spiffy

Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer Spiffybringer

SABOTAGED

-SC

[The Searchers]

VOTE: despair night
Ircher said yes
-SC

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135 explain the bad entrance and follow-up of Despair Night? And MK being town. Do you have experience with those heads?

It just reads fake. Like 49 and 94 look like they're trying just a little too hard to exude towniness. I don't like 128 either.
Mk on the other hand does not read fake. Farkran seems authentic, like in 91
No I have no experience with either.

sc

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Yeah it could just be joking around but it felt more off than that to me. But I don't know them at all so it could be nothing I suppose. I'm less concerned with their disinterest in dropping reads. Especially if that's just insomnia's meta.

What do you mean by saying Farkran's tone/playstyle reminds you of your newb mafia games?

P-edit: @Yang

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Note that i consider a "null" read different than "i don't have a read". Currently i'd say Despair Night is null to me.

Ah yes this is very relatable. My terminology is a bit different.

So far, I'm getting town vibes from this slot and have no read on everyone else.

Who shall be the

one light

to guide us through the

darkness

?
~Ircher

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Can you elaborate on

"off"

?

Yeah, I'll meta-check

Insomnia

but that's my initial take on it.

And, I guess I'll give you my meta games soon?? I got breakfast to eat, boi. You can meta my earliest games.

Just very detailed replies, no matter how little the situation is. Very refined and sticks to certain topics longer before creating an assessment. That's how I feel about

Farkran

. What I want to know, if that's AI, and how.

Call it gut. It just doesn't read quite right to me. I don't know how to elaborate more on this.
I need to do a metadive on multiple people at some point but it sure as hell is not happening today. I'm slammed both on site and irl.

@The Searchers - Nice to meet you too, first time playing with both of your heads. The bit about me sounding like a green (as in newbie) player is not new to me, and it's not entirely wrong as a description. I am usually straightforward, tryharding and aggressively testing as any alignment, which gives me an aura of newbie approaching things. My meta is readily available in my wikipage, for anyone interested.

-Farkran

Hi nice to meet you too ^.^
I will investigate your meta soon but not right now.

Latios maybe scum need more.

Also could you talk to me about this read specifically? I'm interested in your early reasoning for latios scum

-Farkran

Avoiding any real engagement with the game even though we're now well past RVS

Most definitely not gonna be able to keep track or pay attention to any of the currency stuff this game.

~Ferrari

Town post. I'm having the same thoughts.

I already don't believe in my Searchers vote but I don't feel passionate enough to move anywhere, any ideas?

~Spiffy

YOURSELF MAYBE???

SC

[The Searchers]

These aren't in a particular order.

Town:
Mikota Hydra
Imperium
Latios & Latias
Feminist Bloc

Scum:
Disaster Artists
egospray

~Ircher

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Also I request everyone yo add their hydra constituents to their signature.

pedit: Call it a gut semi-backed by past impressions/experience/meta.
~Ircher

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VOTE: Smol Might

-Latias

What's this?

SC

[The Searchers]

Patience my friend. Their name is essentially two names and I've only memorized the first name.

Also, that's quite a meaningless question.
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

Imperium you've had that avatar FOREVER.
Why kill it now

SC

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What does the yellow purple triangle mean?

Sc

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Get some really good cheese to go on top. Don't use Kraft or something cheap like that. The cheese is the key.
Hectic if you can figure out how to explain it why is egospray a tainted presence?

SC

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Beep is Titus, Boop is gobbles methinks

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Imperium more like ImperiSCUM

~Spiffy

I missed this. I want to hear more about this.

Hectic who is scum?

SC

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Latias convince me you're town

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So you're scum???

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The PR (real or not) doesn't make Cappy town

SC

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PAGETOP

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I meant to unquote that <.<
I was going to ask what the yellow face meant but it was later explained

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There's already a lot of spam in this game q.q
I hope this event limits posts or something

[The Searchers]

What does it mean to fall off the ladder?

SC

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JALANDH SIGN YOUR GODDAMN POSTS YOU UNDERLING

-E

If you sign all of your posts, then i dont have to sign any as they will still know whos posting what

YOU ARE LITERALLY ME

SIGN THE POSTS

-E

I'm scumreading this hydra dissonance. They could just as easily settle it in a hydra pt.

PSA: Please add your hydra members to your signatures. Thank you!

~Ircher

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Latios maybe scum need more.

Also could you talk to me about this read specifically? I'm interested in your early reasoning for latios scum

-Farkran

Yeah gonna have to second this
SC it’s been a hot minute since we’ve played, what metric are you using to read me?

-Latios

I don't really have one since it's been so long. Ircher told me a little it of recent meta in the hydra PT.

I THOUGHT EVERYONE COULD PLAY IN THE EVENT AND I WAS JUST SITTING HERE AND I EASILY COULD HAVE GOT IN
BAH

SC

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Yeah I think the mods of this game SUCK and should apologize to the whole playerlist
It's DEFINITELY not my lack of reading comprehension skills that prevented me getting in

[The Searchers]

Cappy is locktown for using gruyere

[The Searchers]

Reads as of 199.

(From rereading the thread.)

Confirmed Town

(From my perspective) (98%-100% Confidence)
The Searchers (100%): Role PM

Likely Town

(85%-97% Confidence)

Leaning Town

(60%-84% Confidence)
Mikoto and Kuroko: 91 is a decent entrance, but it does give off the newer player vibe. (A bit too cordial, etc.) 122 has the same vibe as the entrance post. 127 is a good vote. 129 is a bit of a copout though.

Neutral Town

(31%-59% Confidence; Mixed Read or Diffident Read)
Cappy (+50%): The posting restriction is definitely +town equity. I doubt it's faked even if it is Hectic we're talking about.

Latias and Latios (+40%): A little bit of gut with a hint of meta sprinkled in.

Spiffybringer (+34%): Fire is just being fire. Good vibes overall from their slot.

Null

(0%-30% Confidence; No/Very Weak Read)
Feminist Blocc (+3%): Feels townish, though Disaster Artists' lightheartedness around this slot is worrying.

Equitable Androids (+2%): I like the vote in 130.

Blake X Yang (+1%): 126 is a good point, but it's negated by the fact they didn't do anything to redirect the conversation. Their reads worry me though as they are basically the opposite of mine.

egospray (-8%): First several posts are doing pretty much nothing.

Imperium (-9%): Not fond of entrance posts like 190.

Neutral Scum

(31%-59% Confidence; Mixed Read or Diffident Read)
Dispair Night (-40%): 49 is a poor first impression. 123 is obnoxious, and it is something I can see scum doing.

Disaster Artists (-47%): 70 is something scum would say. 79 strikes me poorly as well. Too buddy-buddy for my tastes. Despite what they say, 181 *is* overly pedantic.

Leaning Scum

(60%-75% Confidence)

​​

Likely Scum

(76%-100% Confidence)

Spoiler: How to read this reads list

Players are placed in different sections based on my confidence in the read expressed as a percentage. A positive percentage indicates that I leans towards town on a player whereas a negative percentage indicates I lean towards scum on a player. Please note that the Null section contains both townreads and scumreads, and you must look a the sign of the percentage in parenthesis to determine which way I lean.

Confidence ratings are rough estimates (and somewhat arbitrary) and are relative to one another. In addition, they tend to be scored on a quadratic scale versus a linear scale; in other words, the difference between 0% and 30% tends to be less than the difference between 30% and 60%.

Disclaimer: These reads reflect my reads and not those of my hydra partner.

~Ircher

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Oops I left out a confidence rating for Mikoto and Kuroko. It's currently +66%.
~Ircher

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I'm scumreading this hydra dissonance. They could just as easily settle it in a hydra pt.

i mean, i agree that they should do this, what's the motive for them as scum to behave this way though?

Clogs up the thread; people might write it off etc.

pedit: Fair. I could be reading in too much on Disaster Artists.
~Ircher

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That Flavortown post is town b/c I feel scum would be more inclined to tryhard the currency stuff to use it to their advantage. Also I just don't really want to deal with it myself and I can see another town feeling the same way.

SC

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Spiffeh come back

SC

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wow I'm glad I didn't enter that lol

SC

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Both Spiffeh and Fire are playing to their metas
Not town or scum, just their usual

SC

[The Searchers]

Notice: Post Restrictions are not restricted to town and can also be faked

-J

Ancient news

[The Searchers]

439 not really AI from Imperium

[The Searchers]

I leave for TWO HOURS and there are EIGHT PAGES
aghhhhh

SC

[The Searchers]

439 not really AI from Imperium

*notate this for later*

In my skim, Imperium and NAI keeps coming up. I should sort them first when I get time.

~Titus aka BB8

Cuz they have literally done nothing.

439 not really AI from Imperium

If this is Ircher, I'm raising a big huge eyebrow in your direction.

DW it was SirCakez
I know Imperium all too well...

[The Searchers]

I don't think Ircher is here atm but SC is!! I can answer ur questions while I finish catching up
WTF does 567 mean???

SC

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My theory on Ircher is partially he's putting out words that say nothing.

~Titus

Imma defend my partner here and say that his big complex posts are his playstyle.
Also I know he's town

VOTE: SPIFFYBRINGER
I have no idea what Ircher thinks about this slot but they are scum. I've had this secret SR for a bit and Spiff's reaction to the event just confirms it for me.

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I would love if I could talk to the Titus head of Androids about things!!!

Sc

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Finally you say hi to me
Your joke (I'm presuming??) to lynch pops and Prism just reads very fake and like an attempt to buddy people!

SC

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Unapologetically Foxy also maybe scum too! (This is unreleated to my SB read)
P-edit:

Nah that's just my natural winning personality

I can't help but be likable!

~Spiffy

I know your lovable personality and I don't think this is the usual sadly
I hope I'm wrong!

SC

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Cappy I did not need to see what was inside that spoiler

[The Searchers]

where does it say when the next event is?

SC

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catching up on this monstrosity of a game now

SC

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I can't respond to 653's criticisms of us since they're targeted at Ircher but I alerted him about in the hydra pt.

Mikoto and Kuroko are a moderate to strong scumread.

I'm interested in hearing more about this given my decently strong TR on the slot.

tammy didn't like sircakez and I see why
who the f asks their hydra partner permission to move a vote on page 4???

I do
Because I'm RESPECTFUL unlike some of you!

I felt Latias/Latios had the worst ISO at the time but nothing I could explicitly call scummy.

What does this even mean...

I'm glad the Spiffybringer wagon is rolling. I find it hard to believe that the best push town!Spiff comes up with here is Smol Might, basically a troll slot.
I feel better about Imperium w/Nacho's posting spree over the last few pages.
Blake x Yang remains town. 810 is really weird though?? Like I feel that IC thing was clearly a joke.
I could PL Smol Might for their spam but I don't really see scum intent there? Ircher doesn't like them though so I could see us ending up voting there I suppose. I'm cautious because SB is really pushing there w/o strong reasoning.
Lastly, even if Hectic's PR is fake it's still NAI...

[The Searchers]

players being more aggressive than normal tends to point to town no?

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oh yeah I could do egospray too

-SC (everything on this page is)

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It's because I have some differences from Ircher's reads. That list was just his and all of our recent posts were me. I haven't talked to him in a bit, I think he is pretty far behind.

SC

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yeah we have some dissonance but we agree on most reads.

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439 not really AI from Imperium
SC

I concur with this.

439 not really AI from Imperium

If this is Ircher, I'm raising a big huge eyebrow in your direction.

Nah it was SirCakez, but he's kinda right in away. Actually, my gut reaction is to say that the post is more likely to come from scum since it takes the AtE angle and is also confusing in that it uses many words but doesn't say anything. That being said, I acknowledge that I tend to over-scumread that stuff so it balances out to NAI.

I'd believe that Tammy and Hectic aren't scum together lol

-JC

Thank you for knowing it was me!

439 not really AI from Imperium

If this is Ircher, I'm raising a big huge eyebrow in your direction.

The reason why I mentioned Ircher there is because of his reaction to my opening post. I don't think I've played with Ircher? Or not enough to recognize the name I don't think. Anyway if this is Ircher, he's trying to claim some kind of understanding about how I play, which would mean that there's no way he doesn't like my opening posts. People who don't know me usually hate my opening posts whereas people who do know me, probably still hate my opening posts, but know that's just me and ignore it. So if it's ircher then the two reactions make no sense and that's a problem.

You're reading into it too much. That's not what I am doing at all. And you are right, I do not have any experience with you and do not know how you play.

Tammy is the only older player that I’m like “Damn, that Tam gonna catch me like Wham!!”

~Ferrari

why does this read like it was meant for scum pt lol?

-JC

I thought the same, but if Ferrari is Flavor Leaf, it seems like something he'd do as either alignment.

Okay, so I haven't read anything yet. What's there to know?

-Tree

Hectic can only post images Day 1. Despair Night is scum.

I like the tree. They’re my first town read.

~FordVsFierri

This is a joke, right?

VOTE: flavor leaf

New best day 1 lynch lol

-JC

Bad vote. Next.

Russian Roulette comes to its conclusion!
The winners are
1st: Popsofctown who recieves

100$

!
2nd: Prism who recieves

75$

!
3rd: no one because 4 people died at once.

Also Tammy will recieve a penalty!

Aren't they in the same hydra. That sounds a bit rigged.

Russian Roulette comes to its conclusion!
The winners are
1st: Popsofctown who recieves

100$

!
2nd: Prism who recieves

75$

!
3rd: no one because 4 people died at once.

Also Tammy will recieve a penalty!

I mean doing nothing but sniping event spaces is like hyperscummy LOL

-JC

Do you want me to post what I have written so far? That's messier. I've done nothing but read this game and snipe the event the event since getting off work today. I was asleep when the game started.

I honestly agree with Disaster Artists here. But sure, go ahead and give us your messy reads.

anyone who unironically thinks winning an event is scum indicative or lynching someone for winning an event is +ev is either being bad or scum

change my mind

-Latias

Sure if it's only a single head, but it becomes much more suspicious when both heads win. No one even got 3rd place. It's especially suspicious when one of the winners hadn't posted beforehand except to snipe events. (I will note Prism has had some good posts that balance out pops's bad posts.)

Yang: Why are you posting all of this and contributing to the problem you're describing?

And Hectic, I don't see why you can't elaborate on the egospray progression.

-Prism

I'm doing the opposite of contributing to the problem.

By displaying my loss at following the thread, I'm figuring out who is willing to sort with a slot, work with a slot, or exclusively look for reasons to suspect a slot. I'm also seeing how the most active players perceive the game so I can give context to their thought process, and assess them with more confidence.

-yang

Nope you're just contributing to the noise.

Eh you could say all the picks were "good" characters but aside from that, it's what SirCakez and I agreed to it. We weren't particularly focused on nabbing a town role. (In all likelihood, alignments were randed before picks.)

My theory on Ircher is partially he's putting out words that say nothing.

~Titus

I have no idea what Ircher thinks about this slot but they are scum. I've had this secret SR for a bit and Spiff's reaction to the event just confirms it for me.

I'm just gonna point out I don't have any (memorable) experience with Spiffeh, so I'm mainly gonna be reading the slot based on Firebringer's posts.

Yo, 34% is a big number. You don't have to be a genius like me to realize that's not "usual". Responding to a request for your blueprints by saying you didn't build it anyway is what my Black Hole lieutenants did when they were missing deadlines, because they don't know how to build anyway.
Vote: Searcher

Did you read the spoiler that accompanied the readslist? It really isn't that high. Maybe it's a bit high comparatively, but that was only for the first 200 posts of the game.

Honestly I think the Black Hole slot is net town, but popsofctown has some misguided reads.

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Tammy and I are Plusle and Minun. We have multiple abilities, but only one that really matters.

FOLLOW ME.

Every one in the game will be forced to target us tonight. As a result, there's an incredibly large chance that we die. If we do not, then we have yet another use of FOLLOW ME tomorrow night. If scum do not have a way to counterbalance us (and thus this ends in No Kills 2 nights in a row), then lolbalance, but from this moment on, I'm operating as if I'm knocking on death's door. If you want to make a connection with me or if you care about my opinion at all, don't wait - I will not be long for this world.

This role is exciting to me because this is very likely my last game for a long while and my personal feeling is that my town game is strongest when death is assured for some absurd reason. The characters are extremely important to me personally; Plusle and Minun were some of the first pokemon Tammy and I caught when playing Pokémon Go together, and we still stick that pair in gyms whenever we take them over, and the Plusle and Minun Christmas ornaments we have are my favorite.

My request of everyone listening is to lend us their voices and their votes; pay attention to me and hold me close because I will not be available to us for long.

(also please excuse my strange mood, I had a shit day of work and probably drank too much too quickly)

Okay Imperium is town. There's no way this is faked. Even if it is, it won't take too long to figure out.

I looked into the 3 vote wagons but I prefer voting outside right now. For all that insomnia has hyped up this being Junko's show, I was interested in the fact that this has been entirely his posting so far. It's been <24 hours though.

What was your account in Undertale-S?

Replica.

-Prism

Fwiw, Junko is known to be more of a scum poster if she does post a lot, the fact that we randed town here would probably make her post less.

Your move, wolves!

*although it's probably just irl stuff and she'll join me at some point*

Also if Hectic doesn't have a post restriction that slot is town.

~som

Everything about this post seems wrong.

So this is my first non-IC newbie game. Welcome everyone, and JC especially from our history. I had a custom of posing some introductory questions to get the game started:

1. What is your experience at Mafia
2. How do you play as town
3. How do you play as scum
4. What do you think gives away a player as scum or town

~som

Yeah I'm moving our vote back to this slot in our next post. Just not this post so it doesn't get lost in the quote wall.

Ank are you gonna figure out the game like Fusion Mafia?

-gb

I feel like egospray is trying to slide by on nothing for the day without anyone noticing (i.e.: active lurking).

On to stronger reads:

707+781 from despair were good. I think very few slots have actually realized that my initial read on egospray and the question to despair was aimed to get out from RVS rather than pushing something consistent. We were, like, page 6 when that happened? I prodded two slots to deliver content, and gave everyone else something to analyze.

A lot of people focused on that exchange as if it was a push that scum would make - which only makes sense from slots who want to join the 1v1 to sort me and also giving more content for other people to analyze. I liked those, and i also liked the slots who picked the RT up and tried to analyze it from a distance. Imperium's 705+711+777 is nitpicking on details but i can see them trying to identify how town!Farkran works as opposed to undertalescum!Fark. I feel like they are pausing to assess if i am actually trying to bullshit push my way or not in this game, and that's a proper approach to my introductory posts.

I disliked slots who are ignoring the current gamestate and are not proactively trying to improve it. I feel like scum would find lurking an efficient strategy in this game, and that's why i am not fond of NL and egospray himself yet.

Other slots, such as blake/yang, have used that exchange to make a push on me way later into the game, without pausing to analyze my intent when i posted that. Another element that points at blake/yang being scum is the dissonance in yang's readlists vs their analysis on my slot. They have a dislike of egospray (which i am voting), yet they never proactively examined the slot and went with voting me instead. This might be NAI for egospray but it's definitely AI for blake/yang. Post 670 was terrible in this context, basically entirely made of consensus townreads, nullreads on plausible scum and scumreads on town. 775 and 780 are simply shooting the shit because that's nowhere near a solid hold to make a push on my slot so far. I think they would have reason to remove me if they are scum, definitely not if they are town.

VOTE: Blake and Yang i feel like i have identified a scum motivated push.

Willing to listen more about egospray, i don't see these two slots as disaligned.

-Farkran

I don't think this is a good vote....

@searchers, your recent reads have changed significantly from your colored and nice readlist, can you update it?

-Farkran

It will take too long. Maybe on the weekend. I already spent 2-3 hours catching up 15 pages.

yeah we have some dissonance but we agree on most reads.

Gonna point out that our reads on the Spiffy slot are pretty much opposite. At a glance, Spiffy's posts look decent to me, but SirCakez has meta experience and that might make the difference. Aside from that, I think we (SirCakez and I) have similar reads.
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

VOTE: Despair Nights

[The Searchers]

Here's my wall with the formatting mostly fixed.

439 not really AI from Imperium
SC

I concur with this.

439 not really AI from Imperium

If this is Ircher, I'm raising a big huge eyebrow in your direction.

Nah it was SirCakez, but he's kinda right in away. Actually, my gut reaction is to say that the post is more likely to come from scum since it takes the AtE angle and is also confusing in that it uses many words but doesn't say anything. That being said, I acknowledge that I tend to over-scumread that stuff so it balances out to NAI.

I'd believe that Tammy and Hectic aren't scum together lol

-JC

Thank you for knowing it was me!

The reason why I mentioned Ircher there is because of his reaction to my opening post. I don't think I've played with Ircher? Or not enough to recognize the name I don't think. Anyway if this is Ircher, he's trying to claim some kind of understanding about how I play, which would mean that there's no way he doesn't like my opening posts. People who don't know me usually hate my opening posts whereas people who do know me, probably still hate my opening posts, but know that's just me and ignore it. So if it's ircher then the two reactions make no sense and that's a problem.

You're reading into it too much. That's not what I am doing at all. And you are right, I do not have any experience with you and do not know how you play.

Tammy is the only older player that I’m like “Damn, that Tam gonna catch me like Wham!!”

~Ferrari

why does this read like it was meant for scum pt lol?

-JC

I thought the same, but if Ferrari is Flavor Leaf, it seems like something he'd do as either alignment.

Okay, so I haven't read anything yet. What's there to know?

-Tree

Hectic can only post images Day 1. Despair Night is scum.

I like the tree. They’re my first town read.

~FordVsFierri

This is a joke, right?

VOTE: flavor leaf

New best day 1 lynch lol

-JC

Bad vote. Next.

Russian Roulette comes to its conclusion!
The winners are
1st: Popsofctown who recieves

100$

!
2nd: Prism who recieves

75$

!
3rd: no one because 4 people died at once.

Also Tammy will recieve a penalty!

Aren't they in the same hydra. That sounds a bit rigged.

Russian Roulette comes to its conclusion!
The winners are
1st: Popsofctown who recieves

100$

!
2nd: Prism who recieves

75$

!
3rd: no one because 4 people died at once.

Also Tammy will recieve a penalty!

I mean doing nothing but sniping event spaces is like hyperscummy LOL

-JC

Do you want me to post what I have written so far? That's messier. I've done nothing but read this game and snipe the event the event since getting off work today. I was asleep when the game started.

I honestly agree with Disaster Artists here. But sure, go ahead and give us your messy reads.

anyone who unironically thinks winning an event is scum indicative or lynching someone for winning an event is +ev is either being bad or scum

change my mind

-Latias

Sure if it's only a single head, but it becomes much more suspicious when both heads win. No one even got 3rd place. It's especially suspicious when one of the winners hadn't posted beforehand except to snipe events. (I will note Prism has had some good posts that balance out pops's bad posts.)

Yang: Why are you posting all of this and contributing to the problem you're describing?

And Hectic, I don't see why you can't elaborate on the egospray progression.

-Prism

I'm doing the opposite of contributing to the problem.

By displaying my loss at following the thread, I'm figuring out who is willing to sort with a slot, work with a slot, or exclusively look for reasons to suspect a slot. I'm also seeing how the most active players perceive the game so I can give context to their thought process, and assess them with more confidence.

-yang

Nope you're just contributing to the noise.

Eh you could say all the picks were "good" characters but aside from that, it's what SirCakez and I agreed to it. We weren't particularly focused on nabbing a town role. (In all likelihood, alignments were randed before picks.)

My theory on Ircher is partially he's putting out words that say nothing.

~Titus

I have no idea what Ircher thinks about this slot but they are scum. I've had this secret SR for a bit and Spiff's reaction to the event just confirms it for me.

I'm just gonna point out I don't have any (memorable) experience with Spiffeh, so I'm mainly gonna be reading the slot based on Firebringer's posts.

Yo, 34% is a big number. You don't have to be a genius like me to realize that's not "usual". Responding to a request for your blueprints by saying you didn't build it anyway is what my Black Hole lieutenants did when they were missing deadlines, because they don't know how to build anyway.
Vote: Searcher

Did you read the spoiler that accompanied the readslist? It really isn't that high. Maybe it's a bit high comparatively, but that was only for the first 200 posts of the game.

Honestly I think the Black Hole slot is net town, but popsofctown has some misguided reads.

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Tammy and I are Plusle and Minun. We have multiple abilities, but only one that really matters.

FOLLOW ME.

Every one in the game will be forced to target us tonight. As a result, there's an incredibly large chance that we die. If we do not, then we have yet another use of FOLLOW ME tomorrow night. If scum do not have a way to counterbalance us (and thus this ends in No Kills 2 nights in a row), then lolbalance, but from this moment on, I'm operating as if I'm knocking on death's door. If you want to make a connection with me or if you care about my opinion at all, don't wait - I will not be long for this world.

This role is exciting to me because this is very likely my last game for a long while and my personal feeling is that my town game is strongest when death is assured for some absurd reason. The characters are extremely important to me personally; Plusle and Minun were some of the first pokemon Tammy and I caught when playing Pokémon Go together, and we still stick that pair in gyms whenever we take them over, and the Plusle and Minun Christmas ornaments we have are my favorite.

My request of everyone listening is to lend us their voices and their votes; pay attention to me and hold me close because I will not be available to us for long.

(also please excuse my strange mood, I had a shit day of work and probably drank too much too quickly)

Okay Imperium is town. There's no way this is faked. Even if it is, it won't take too long to figure out.

I looked into the 3 vote wagons but I prefer voting outside right now. For all that insomnia has hyped up this being Junko's show, I was interested in the fact that this has been entirely his posting so far. It's been <24 hours though.

What was your account in Undertale-S?

Replica.

-Prism

Fwiw, Junko is known to be more of a scum poster if she does post a lot, the fact that we randed town here would probably make her post less.

Your move, wolves!

*although it's probably just irl stuff and she'll join me at some point*

Also if Hectic doesn't have a post restriction that slot is town.

~som

Everything about this post seems wrong.

So this is my first non-IC newbie game. Welcome everyone, and JC especially from our history. I had a custom of posing some introductory questions to get the game started:

1. What is your experience at Mafia
2. How do you play as town
3. How do you play as scum
4. What do you think gives away a player as scum or town

~som

Yeah I'm moving our vote back to this slot in our next post. Just not this post so it doesn't get lost in the quote wall.

Ank are you gonna figure out the game like Fusion Mafia?

-gb

I feel like egospray is trying to slide by on nothing for the day without anyone noticing (i.e.: active lurking).

On to stronger reads:

707+781 from despair were good. I think very few slots have actually realized that my initial read on egospray and the question to despair was aimed to get out from RVS rather than pushing something consistent. We were, like, page 6 when that happened? I prodded two slots to deliver content, and gave everyone else something to analyze.

A lot of people focused on that exchange as if it was a push that scum would make - which only makes sense from slots who want to join the 1v1 to sort me and also giving more content for other people to analyze. I liked those, and i also liked the slots who picked the RT up and tried to analyze it from a distance. Imperium's 705+711+777 is nitpicking on details but i can see them trying to identify how town!Farkran works as opposed to undertalescum!Fark. I feel like they are pausing to assess if i am actually trying to bullshit push my way or not in this game, and that's a proper approach to my introductory posts.

I disliked slots who are ignoring the current gamestate and are not proactively trying to improve it. I feel like scum would find lurking an efficient strategy in this game, and that's why i am not fond of NL and egospray himself yet.

Other slots, such as blake/yang, have used that exchange to make a push on me way later into the game, without pausing to analyze my intent when i posted that. Another element that points at blake/yang being scum is the dissonance in yang's readlists vs their analysis on my slot. They have a dislike of egospray (which i am voting), yet they never proactively examined the slot and went with voting me instead. This might be NAI for egospray but it's definitely AI for blake/yang. Post 670 was terrible in this context, basically entirely made of consensus townreads, nullreads on plausible scum and scumreads on town. 775 and 780 are simply shooting the shit because that's nowhere near a solid hold to make a push on my slot so far. I think they would have reason to remove me if they are scum, definitely not if they are town.

VOTE: Blake and Yang i feel like i have identified a scum motivated push.

Willing to listen more about egospray, i don't see these two slots as disaligned.

-Farkran

I don't think this is a good vote....

@searchers, your recent reads have changed significantly from your colored and nice readlist, can you update it?

-Farkran

It will take too long. Maybe on the weekend. I already spent 2-3 hours catching up 15 pages.

yeah we have some dissonance but we agree on most reads.

Gonna point out that our reads on the Spiffy slot are pretty much opposite. At a glance, Spiffy's posts look decent to me, but SirCakez has meta experience and that might make the difference. Aside from that, I think we (SirCakez and I) have similar reads.

[The Searchers]

I'll catch up later. Got an emergency work thing. Sorry SC. I should be free by noon (within about 3 hours 15 minutes.) I probably could be available right at the event but performing is questionable.

~Titus

Ok

@SC Can you still talk to me about your individual spiffy read?

I mean he called pops the greatest evil of this world or something, but i didn't see them ACTUALLY voting or pushing the slot in any way, so... i don't see a particular reason for scumreading spiffy there, so, what else am i missing? Do you think smol is town enough to not have anyone scumreading him? Just trying to understand your trajectory to spiffy

-Farkran

It's not the joke itself but the way I believe he was using to buddy people. See also; his reaction to my vote on him.
I don't think Smol is particularly town but it's also a low-hanging fruit type-push and I think town!Spiff goes elsewhere.

[The Searchers]

I am also fine with our DN vote tho since Ircher disagrees about SB
Also Spiffeh will continue to become easier to read as the game progress

-(this and last post) SC

[The Searchers]

hmmmmm

[The Searchers]

where do you see scum in Smol? I just see spam and uselessness

[The Searchers]

Good vibes was basically Fire's posts being open (for lack of better phrasing) and not really pushing an agenda. They read genuine and suit Fire's trollish nature. Perhaps that's a bit weak to townread on, even moderately so, but honestly, the slot feels town to me. There's nothing else to be said.

SirCakez elaborated to me on his Spiffeh read. He said that Spiffeh seems a bit too worried about staying in the spotlight and is going after low-hanging fruit in the form of Smol. While I agree the latter is true, I'm not certain about the former and will need to verify that.
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

I mean Smol has not posted in ages for one thing.
And they had a little "content" in the form of random SRs.
I can see how the PR thing can be scummy.
Why are you so disengaged? You are making your Smol SR seem stronger than it is.

SC

[The Searchers]

please let me make it clear I am not TRing Smol here

SC

[The Searchers]

I don't think I'm disengaged, I'm just being more conservative than you're probably used to.

I recommend you read Day 1 of Titus vs. Alsae, the only Day I was alive. It may give you a more clear perspective on how I play nowadays.

The Smol SR probably seems stronger because it's the only one I really have right now? And I've been called out on it by multiple people and have had to defend it more? Idk

~Spiffy

My meta is pretty rusty admittedly
I just recently reread Mafiaception which is ancient (but still gold haha)
Why don't you have other SRs?
I will look at that game

SC

[The Searchers]

Is where i'm at right now. I really Like Mikoto's scumhunting, especially post 798. Scumreading The Searchers right now, because I don't really vibe with their earlier reads. As earlier, I said I meta TR Hectic based off the one time I scumteamed with him during a Marathon game. I really liked Imperium's posting, I thought their early posts felt Towny.

Is it just me, or is this a rather lazy scumread? Like sure, we aren't the quintessential model of town, maybe not even close, but disagreeing with our reads should not, by itself, constitute a strong scumread on our slot.
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

PSA: Discussing the event in here is not advancing the town win condition.

I want egospray to talk more about their read on our slot.
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

Why do you think it's a policy push? Your slot has made consistently scummy posts this game. For instance your IC post, regardless of being a joke, was unnecessary to post so late in the game. Indeed, it attracted some answers, which aids scum looking busy while doing nothing constructive.
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

PSA: Discussing the event in here is not advancing the town win condition.

I want egospray to talk more about their read on our slot.
~Ircher

We don't have anywhere else to discuss it and it was really fun, party pooper

- Silver Bullet

Okay that was s bit harsh on my part. Let me rephrase it:

PSA: You can discuss the event here, but it adds to the clutter in the thread. Try to include some game-related (i.e.: relating to alignments) stuff in your posts as well.

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@Despair Night:

As I stated earlier, 123 was obnoxious and overly pedantic. It's the sort of thing scum does to aggravate town and try to trip them up.

699 and 702 are of some substance, I'll give you that. Everything before that is practically fluff though, so having two semi-decent posts out of like 25 or so far is not a good prospect.

737 also reads really scummy to me. It pulls too much on the self-meta angle, and I don't see why Despair (as town) would bring it up. We're the only ones really pushing the slot. It reads more of an excuse/attempt to write off any complaints about their earlier posts.

Those are a few of the issues I see.
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

SirCakez was doing the questioning.

I don't personally have a lot of experience with Hectic outside of marathons. I think the posting restriction alone is high +town equity even if it's not enough to guarantee they are town.
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

To be clear, posts wise, Cappy's posts haven't really struck me one way or the other. I thought their read on our slot was relatively reasonable I guess.
~Ircher

pedit: Go ahead and lynch us. It's town loss.

[The Searchers]

So this is my first non-IC newbie game. Welcome everyone, and JC especially from our history. I had a custom of posing some introductory questions to get the game started:

1. What is your experience at Mafia
2. How do you play as town
3. How do you play as scum
4. What do you think gives away a player as scum or town

~som

I have issues with this post but ill answer anyways and then give my thoughts on it.

1. Years of experience, to the point where ive been almost selected for Champs at MU more then once.
2 & 3 Have Chemist answer this for me. He knows how I play. Me giving any answer would make it wifom while having him answer for me would tie us together, and it would help me read him based off his answer on me.
4. I think chems answer to the above would help answer this more then anything i could give honestly

the issues i have with this is that no matter what alignment you have, your going to try to make it seem like your town from these answers, even if its nt 100% true. Theyre just not good questions.

wouldnt you get much more info if we posted our latest scum/town games?

That post was obviously a joke...why even answer?

Scumreading The Searchers right now, because I don't really vibe with their earlier reads.

Ircher already attacked this but yeah this is bollocks reasoning for your apparently strongest scumread?

Anyways SB do you still think Smol is scum now that they've dropped some other stuff?
I'm gonna address the DN stuff after this post
WHERE DO WE FIND THE EVENT TIMES????

SC

[The Searchers]

I'm doing full reads tomorrow, this is more of a spite vote and putting Searchers in the spotlight, as their vote and scum hunting doesn't extend beyond "Despair is scum and whatever they post is anti-town and thus scum". Admitting Hectic's posting restriction is town when whoever made the rainbow percentage reads said "Even if it's hectic we're talking about" and deciding to town lean him anyway just based on that after deciding to waste 20 posts on asking him questions, is a leap in logic that I don't comprehend.

For now it's more of a spite vote but it has some scum equity. Start hunting, you're not hunting.

You voted Spiffy with me and Imperium, why did you switch on me without talking on that at all? There's a lot of questions but it's late, I'll come back later.

~som

B/C Ircher disagrees with me about Spiffy
I think it's a ridiculous misrep to say we have done no scumhunting but push you.

SC

[The Searchers]

Simple. While my partner did feel somewhat strongly about the Spiffy read, I disagreed to a significant extent, and we collectively decided you were the better vote.

Just gonna throw out that we have scumreads on egospray and Smol Might, but both are low hanging fruit in a way and not worth pursuing at the moment.
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

DN are you basically just OMGUSing us at this point? You literally have not mentioned us in your ISO before this interaction.

SC

[The Searchers]

In addition to what Ircher listed I have a couple other slight SRs but I'm not confident enough to out them atm

SC

[The Searchers]

VOTE: The Searchers

737 also reads really scummy to me. It pulls too much on the self-meta angle, and I don't see why Despair (as town) would bring it up. We're the only ones really pushing the slot. It reads more of an excuse/attempt to write off any complaints about their earlier posts.

Context :

somni would you switch off from the megalarge tryhard style by switching to full pantshead meming as scum?

~som

Okay I guess I have to address this. I must've missed that. Also, I was going off memory. There were multiple posts of yours that struck me the wrong way when I was doing my catchup today. (I didn't note every single one of them down.) The IC post was kinda like the last straw in a sense.

It's not necessarily just individual posts that stand out as scummy to me, but it's a more holistic read of your slot. Just the whole general vibe is that you are pushing this aggressive playstyle while not doing much of substance. It feels like you're trying to dissuade interactions and dismiss any that look negatively upon you.

Also let me make one final thing clear: we are by no means discounting your positive contributions, which your slot does possess. We're saying that on the whole, the negatives outweigh the positives, and your posts show a trend of a scummy mindset. You say that we aren't fairly evaluating you to your standards, and you may be right to an extent. (I possess no meta experience with you.) But that doesn't mean what you have done does not point towards a scum agenda. If you are town, you have to act like it and convince others of such even if your meta differs from the norm.
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

This is the second time you've used gut as explanation for your reads... I feel like I don't remember you being this reliant on gut in past games we have played together, Ircher.

You are correct that I try to focus more on content than gut, but for some players that can be difficult.

Neither a plan of 34% or 0% on CO Spiffybringer is bad on its own. Switching back and forth for which one you think pleases people is jank!

Are you reading our posts. Quote evidence of this please and thank you.

Please enlighten me, what's so clear about this progression?

(This was about our Spiffybringer read.) I'll point out that most of the posts without signatures are SirCakez. How many times must we explain we had conflicting views on the slot?

So this is my first non-IC newbie game. Welcome everyone, and JC especially from our history. I had a custom of posing some introductory questions to get the game started:

1. What is your experience at Mafia
2. How do you play as town
3. How do you play as scum
4. What do you think gives away a player as scum or town

~som

I have issues with this post but ill answer anyways and then give my thoughts on it.

1. Years of experience, to the point where ive been almost selected for Champs at MU more then once.
2 & 3 Have Chemist answer this for me. He knows how I play. Me giving any answer would make it wifom while having him answer for me would tie us together, and it would help me read him based off his answer on me.
4. I think chems answer to the above would help answer this more then anything i could give honestly

the issues i have with this is that no matter what alignment you have, your going to try to make it seem like your town from these answers, even if its nt 100% true. Theyre just not good questions.

wouldnt you get much more info if we posted our latest scum/town games?

Goodposting from Smol Might

-Latios

How is answering an RQS so late in the game "good posting"?

Spiffybringer -

Alright. I have already touched on some of the stuff that bothered me, but I'll do a complete ISO scan.

Interactions with Imperium slot

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p#163 is horrible enough to warrant this explanation. I always look at posts like these and immediately get gut pinged "scum", mainly because I take it as someone looking to replicate previous interactions / rekindle previous memories that would make someone just feel well with regards to their alignment (Spiffy's). Not to say this couldn't be said by a town but I just think it's a weird thing to focus on,

especially when they haven't even posted.

I feel as though a more town way of reacting to slots that you have some history with is to just let them post, and joke with them, rather than just leaving a comment there. I may be biased, but saying it before a slot has even posted feels a lot more like a scum pussy move. You don't say it as a joke while interacting with them, because you don't know how they'd react. Also, it's much more likely when they're doing that catchup, they'll see the post and think "heh, this is town spiffy".

If you skim through Spiff's ISO, you can see that there is almost NO ATTEMPT WHATSOEVER to sort Imperium, but he dedicates a lot of his time denying reads on Imperium, while having no idea what Imperium is. I've always looked at that behaviour as more scum. If you don't think they're town, then why aren't you pushing to confirm your theory? You're sitting on an unexplained read, denying any and all town reads on that slot, without even trying to see whether the reasoning that is given is justified. By denying the reads, you're essentially saying "I can see why he's being town read, but I actively choose to deny town reads on them anyway". Why? If you think they're such weak scum that you can - in your own words - find them on Day 2, wouldn't you be more likely to believe they're just town here? I don't see the connections in your head, it feels a lot more like you don't want Nacho and Tammy to be town read because they can push scum and are powerful town. If you were town, wouldn't you want to harness that strength out of them and work with them? Instead you're doing your best to turn down reads on them.

THAT IS NOT A NATURAL TvT interaction between two slots that have previously played together. There is no town motivation behind denying reads on a player that YOU HAVE NO STANDING ON. You're more worried about the power and credit they're getting, even though I don't really see why it would be such a problem? They literally claimed, you have no reaction based on that post.

P#460 is another example, you have no standing on the slot, you DEMAND a town read on yourself, instead of ASKING WHAT THEIR READ IS ON YOU SO YOU CAN SORT THEM.

P#833 another interaction with Imperium, you joke with them.

P#835 dismissing the slot, looking to distance from them. Why???

Spiffy has done nothing but discrediting and shading the Imperium slot so they wouldn't gain the power of leading lynches. He does nothing to sort them still, every time he gets the chance to engage one of them, he chooses to joke with them instead. This is not town behaviour. If you are town and truly afraid of Imperium gaining power, you wouldn't shut it down without having a read on them, you'd first sort them and then argue.

VOTE: Spiffybringer

This stays for the rest of the day. I won't argue with spiffy. He can defend himself, but I don't think I'm changing my mind. Decide for yourselves whether this is a scum slot or not.

I have some issues with this post. While I understand your argument regarding 163, I think it's very little +scum equity if any at all. Town can and have said such a thing many times in past games I've played. I guess you might have a point regarding it's strange to focus on when the slot has yet to post.

Regarding the middle part about denying reads, can you point to more evidence of such?

Your comment on post 460 is over the top. I know Firebringer goes for a trolly playstyle, and while I acknowledge that I haven't really played with Spiffeh before, I imagine their playstyle is similar. I also wouldn't call that "demanding" a town read so much as "suggesting" one. Anyway, it looks like a joke post; it sounds like a joke post; so it must be a joke post.

Joking in 833 by itself is also not really alignment indicative either.

I think your point regarding 835 is fair though. That did seem overly dismissive.
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

This will sound awkward since I am not Ircher myself but I can defend him here because I recognize this argument. Feminist Blocc, all of the things you're describing as scummy are his playstyle. I recommend reading another game of his. He takes games very seriously, he digs into little parts of posts to attack, he dislikes thread spam, very confident in his reads (as evident in his early readslist), etc.
Reading up now.

SC

[The Searchers]

jeez im 10 pages behind
GROSS

SC

[The Searchers]

Me and Searchers might be tunneled on egospray; after post 941 i may want to pause and reassess on their slot. To be fair a single post will probably not redeem their iso -for now- and there's no vote update from there after posting the readlist. Why? Also, would egospray pocket me as scum? If anybody knows, please tell me.

Having no experience with either head of the Searchers i might proxy my read to someone i could trust, but so far there are none that could convince me otherwise.

-Farkran

I don't know how you could say we're tunneled on egospray? We're considering them but we're not ignoring others.

tammy didn't like sircakez and I see why
who the f asks their hydra partner permission to move a vote on page 4???

I don't recall the context for this but I agree on it being shady on the surface.

-Latios

I joked about this earlier but I don't understand why this move was "shady".

-snip-
Why the hell are you RQSing now? I'm a fan of it personally but imo you missed the boat HARD.

But sure, I'll bite.
1. A LOT. Been around here for 3+ years discounting breaks, and have also played on several other sites.
2. Generally I try to make myself somewhat towny but I also try to scumhunt because I feel ike I can do well if I try (or sometimes if I realy don't). I tend to get townread for silly reasons or lynched for silly reasons though.
3. I generally try to control the game, make it go the way I want without looking like that's what I'm doing. If I'm having a rather hard time of it though I tend to start turtling.
4.Probably consistency both within the game and regarding meta. I think meta is sometimes overhated.

-Latios

Wtf?

I read that post as a joke post. Why did you think it was serious?
Why did you ask Hectic who is scum out of all players?

Cuz Spiff drops reads like that in a joking manner.
Because Hectic was not giving any scumreads at that point.

Still reading on pg 45

[The Searchers]

-SC

[The Searchers]

DN's 1119 continues to scummily ignore that Ircher and myself are two different people
I kind of like the analysis going on in 1141 though. More dissonance! Ircher doesn't like it. I kind of like SB's reaction to the case too??? Esp 1190. I think there is scum between the two slots.
I also like Blake's 1143

I think The Searchers had a town read on Imperium early on and have since changed their minds so maybe I shouldn't have included them

~Spiffy

We are conflicted. We think the role claim is town but the play less so. I'm less strong on Nacho's posts last night than I was at the time.
What IS your read on Imperium Spiff?

Cakez do you enjoy scum?

-JC

Not really

Where is the Bringer head of SB?

SC

[The Searchers]

I read his ISO in mini 2085 (seems to be the most recent game he's played.) and immediately I notice he's shitposting at the beginning of the game? This feels much less, like, rigid for lack of a better word and more like Ircher as I remember him? His first readslist in that game talks about "doesn't feel like sorting the game... it's very likely I'm just biased though" and "sticks out the most." The language he uses doesn't really feel similar to this at all. And, like, as far as I can tell this is his most recent game, so I don't see how he's changed since then. So, what you're talking about doesn't really fit with what I remember about him or his ISO in his most recent game in my opinion. That being said it doesn't really make sense that you completely made this up. Did he have an alt or something? Would you mind linking me to the game I should be looking at?

I have to preface this by saying I've been offsite for over a year until about last month so my meta of most people is ancient, which is what Spiffeh has referred to.
I was thinking of this (ancient) large normal I modded that Ircher was in: viewtopic.php?f=55&t=66557
I seem to remember other such games (and that this playstyle used to get Ircher mislynched a lot) but I can't recall their names since it's been so long
I've asked ircher to come in and respond himself

SC

[The Searchers]

I read his ISO in mini 2085 (seems to be the most recent game he's played.)

My latest game is Newbie 1975 (I was scum) as documented on my wiki page. Mini Normal 2085 is like 5 or so games ago back in summer of 2019.

Read/Look over that game then I'll look at your case again.
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

I read his ISO in mini 2085 (seems to be the most recent game he's played.)

My latest game is Newbie 1975 (I was scum) as documented on my wiki page. Mini Normal 2085 is like 5 or so games ago back in summer of 2019.

Read/Look over that game then I'll look at your case again.
~Ircher

To clarify, I don't think your case is being made in bad faith, but I'd rather we were on the same page first in terms of meta. We established during last marathon weekend that your ability to read me has significantly dropped.
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

I am not following through your reasoning. You town read both of us based on certain things but still feel like there has to be a scum between us? Why? Is there some piece of evidence that’s compelling enough to maintain your idea that one of us is scum, even though you started liking our slots?

Because both of your slots also have scummy things about them
Like I see two possible scenarios where you're scum angling to mislynch SB or you're town and you've just nailed SB. TvT or SvS don't make as much sense to me.
hopefully that makes sense
also I'm assuming we aren't in multiball

SC

[The Searchers]

theres a lil bit of moonlogic going on

SC

[The Searchers]

-snip-
I missed this post originally, but yeah why is this a town post? Because quite frankly we should be keeping track of this stuff and care about it. In marketplace mafia, scum are always at an advantage when town doesn't hold people accountable or keep track of these things.

I talked about this already but basically I feel scum would be invested in the currency stuff more in order to use it to their advantage. I personally am not that into it as town so I feel it shows another likely town mindset.

Can you expand on this because it still doesn't make sense to me.

I remember games with you guys and you make posts like that one all the time regardless of alignment no? Very casual.

Wow it looks you said 34%, and SirCakez said 0%, I got punk'd! I don't dig putting the blame on me for assuming that when CO Hawke asked you a question and CO SirCakez answered it, knowing you don't agree, not taking the chance to say why you're wrong, and then drops his shortened callsign. That's also as close as it gets to speaking for you.

This was not my intention here btw; sorry for any confusion caused. I really developed my SB read independently of Ircher and just wanted to express it.

MariaR you are playing a spectacular game so far keep up the good work

~Spiffy

I dislike this post but I can't really explain why. It just irks me??? :/

In other news I am back to having no idea what to think about Imperium. I'm just gonna put them in my town basket now because of the role claim but not play.
Pick me Titus!!!!
I miss Magna too
I am here now for like two hours so talk to me!!!

SC

[The Searchers]

I have a big basket of hydras whose posts I keep mixing up and am struggling to read.

SC

[The Searchers]

That basket includes Feminist Blocc, Latias and Latios, Disaster Artists, Flavortown, and Black Hole Defection.
Probably because I don't know any of those players well at all except for Gamma I guess.

SC

[The Searchers]

not those posts but the Prism ones yeah

SC

[The Searchers]

spiffeh posts like this

?

SC

[The Searchers]

Black Hole are you SRing us mainly because of Ircher?

SC

[The Searchers]

I am currently undecided on Tag Team Searchers. I put lots of value into one move that didn't really happy. It's difficult to manage such rapidly changing data.
Hawke thinks you may be Orange Star given CO Ircher was seemingly attacked for moving the battle from First Unit Build phase to Begin Capture Cities phase and criticizing him for Capturing cities so early. But there must always be Fog of War at the start of Capture Cities phase.
Hawke is a smart man.

I sorta understand this post? You're saying your scumread was based on misunderstanding and are pulling back on it basically?

-snip-
I missed this post originally, but yeah why is this a town post? Because quite frankly we should be keeping track of this stuff and care about it. In marketplace mafia, scum are always at an advantage when town doesn't hold people accountable or keep track of these things.

I talked about this already but basically I feel scum would be invested in the currency stuff more in order to use it to their advantage. I personally am not that into it as town so I feel it shows another likely town mindset.

That seems excessively shallow though. You don't see any value in holding people accountable to what they do with their money?

My impression of that post was not tracking what people buy, but moreso stuff like trying to get into events, buying things, building up money personally, etc.

Can you expand on this because it still doesn't make sense to me.

I remember games with you guys and you make posts like that one all the time regardless of alignment no? Very casual.

As town? Yes. As scum? How often have you seen me actually post in an imperium scum game is where my confusion is.

I have a VAGUE memory of a game where you were scum but I can't recall the name.
Either way I have the impression you don't play too differently as scum?

SC

[The Searchers]

I just looked at Imperium's topics and was unable to find a scumgame of theirs that I played in so I think I'm just wrong here.
mb

SC

[The Searchers]

I have played with scum!Nacho though

SC

[The Searchers]

he's saying Ircher ended RVS and Prism thinks that was town

SC

[The Searchers]

If this is a real memory and this is how you actually feel then kind of thank you, but I don't think I've ever played with you as scum. (I just think I have the world's worst scum game so anytime someone thinks differently it's nice, but I think you're mistaken.)

Yeah I'm just a mistaken person
as usual
<3

SC

[The Searchers]

pagetop

SC

[The Searchers]

Pink Ball's scumread is ridiculous, but I don't believe it's necessarily scum indicative.

-Blake

I actually disagree on the first part. I think it has somewhat valid logic behind it. Disaster Artists getting super worked up over this kinda reads scum to me. Like he doesn't want to get caught for something he views as not-AI. If that makes sense. This has been a decently reliable tell for me in the past. 1723 is pretty close to what I'm thinking about the slot.

hi hello sorry to interupt the gameplay. im just here to advertise that im playing through a very interesting translation of Paper Mario the Thousand Year Door. Have a look for yourself.

(click me).

Its funny I promise

I love this game haha

I wanna say Pink Ball feels different here from Greatest Idea. More assertive and aggressive? But I don't know if that necessarily indicates his alignment is different (he was town in GI).
Hmm if JC is Krazy this changes things for me.
Honestly I really didn't get much from those last ~10 pages except help sorting DA, Cappy and Blake x Yang. I still am unsure what to think of Black Hole and Latios/as honestly.
I don't know where Ircher stands on DA but I would vote on that wagon. He's pretty far behind though I think.
I know he SRs egospray though so I'll join this (yes I'm aware two other SRs are on it). Our DN vote is pretty stale anyways.

VOTE: egospray

SC

[The Searchers]

yeah I revisited our hydra PT and I don't think Ircher has any sort of read on DA

SC

[The Searchers]

do you want me to talk about why I still am SRing you?

SC

[The Searchers]

bc I can

[The Searchers]

SC

[The Searchers]

Ugh, another 14 pages...

Dang I missed the event. Time to wait for the next one

Also yw for catching the prod Gify

We'd love it if you posted something of substance...

Neighborhood power best power you take that back right now!

This 100%.

VOTE: Imperium

???

maria seems to be actively trying to get lynched ATM
there aren't jesters and so she's really just lazy as fuck town

That's still pretty low town equity. I agree that the NL hydra is currently a bad lynch, but I would be 100% okay with a vig shot headed that way.

btw anyone who expressed the sentiment those who are sniping events are scummy, if you're not default SRing MariaR you're gonna need a good reason why

-Latios

Their slot is null because they have yet to do anything alignment-indicative. This clearly an instance of being lazy, not necessarily scummy.

Lol fuck me for having to decide which is the scum in Imperium and Spiffy

Lol JC should get shot lol he’s scum lol

~som

Couldn't they both be town?

Do it, you won’t!

~som

I have to admit, I think part of my scumread on you id playstyle related. That being said, I'm not convinced you are town, but I do need to reevaluate your slot.

This interaction looks so fake lol

- Silver Bullet

Yeah, I agree it sounds pretty off.

All three of the COs Silver Bullet, John Cena, and insomnia, seem to mainly be yelling about whether the plans they're showing eachother are forgeries or real.
I am unsure about two of them, but CO John Cena's plans is the easiest for me to understand, which makes me most confident they are genuine. He cannot think of a way CO insomnia would use a CO Power as Orange Star without good vision on his target, so even though he can't figure out what the Black Hole Plan must be, there's only two nations on this planet. I can remember thinking this in similar battle moments. I don't follow CO Cappy's and CO insomnia's plans as easily.

I've been skimming quickly over their posts. This is useful info to have.

This engagement was rather enlightening, thank you.

Disaster Artists, Black Hole Deflection, and Cappy are all confident townreads at this point.

Latias and Latios is no longer a townread.
Despair Night can go either way. I don't believe Insomnia's contributions to this engagement were particularly town or scum indicative.

-Blake

What made you downgrade your Latias & Latios read?

Searchers town

~som

:O Well I guess you were more annoyed with us than anything.

~Ircher

[The Searchers]

I SHOULD HAVE JUST LEFT IMMEDIATELY

SC

[The Searchers]

Egospray.

Is he scum or not? That's all I want to hear.

I'm not extending my focus beyond more than...5 slots today.

~som

I definitely haven't seen anything that I'd like from their ISO (i.e.: they haven't provided a reason to townread them). I am wary of this being related to their playstyle as they feel like low hanging fruit, but I lack meta experience with either head, so I'm going with what we have available.

You're honestly saying you don't understand meta reads?

Completely different game, completely different format. It shouldn't qualify as a meta read.

-gb

Different format just means you take it with a grain of salt. It by no means invalidates the read.

Oh, well, uh, there goes my push.

This feels like something scum would say...
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

I think the lynchpool should consist of:

Disaster Artists
Egospray
Smol Might
Mikoto and Kuroko
The Searchers
Despair Night

There are a few other slots I'd be willing to lynch but that don't provide a good return in terms of info; thus, they should not be focused upon.
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

Wording is everything. It gives off the impression, "Oops! I've been caught [pushing a fake read]! I better attempt to redeem myself!"
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

The lynchpool consists about 70% of reads and 30% of what lynches might benefit the town, as a whole, the most.

[The Searchers]

The lynchpool consists about 70% of reads and 30% of what lynches might benefit the town, as a whole, the most.
~Ircher

EBWOP
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

This VC looks like a step back from the previous state. Egospray now looks like a counterwagon to DA for no reason, since he was being hot earlier in the day but then everyone dropped it to vote elsewhere. As of VC 7 and 8, egospray had zero votes, why is he popular again now?

@spiffy, despair, searchers

I feel like i could be wrong on The Searchers among those three, his switch does not look good.

-Farkran

In defense of this move since it was mine both Ircher and I do not feel as strongly about DN scum anymore and our vote was not doing anything sitting there. Moving to egospray at least helped build a wagon.

In addition to what Ircher listed I have a couple other slight SRs but I'm not confident enough to out them atm

SC

Why allude an SR???

Because if I out them people will overblow it and it's not strong enough of a SR for me to want to deal with that.

Still reading
SC

[The Searchers]

My meta is pretty rusty admittedly
I just recently reread Mafiaception which is ancient (but still gold haha)
Why don't you have other SRs?
I will look at that game

SC

Were you in that game? It is one of my favorite games I ever played. Town worked together quite well, and I somehow understood my role and the mechanics well enough to use it properly.

No sadly but I've read it like 4 times because it's extremely entertaining and it's just amazing townplay. I'm trying to osmosis that skill to myself haha.

SC

[The Searchers]

Random observations:
-Blake vs Farkran reads TvT. I will confess I am not reading their huge walls at each other.
-I still don't think JC's reaction to the push was town. So overblown.
-The anonymous event judge doesn't understand Taylor Swift's music
-1879 from DN reads really really town to me, specifically that kind of sense of overwhelmed confusion and lack of focus from insomnia. I don't think I am interested in a lynch there today, combined with other stuff. Yang's analysis in 1885 is a pretty good summary of it.
-I kinda feel scum is mostly in the lurkers this game.
-Spiffybringer's complete absence from the thread is extremely concerning. But I don't think that can happen as a lynch today. Also Ircher still disagrees with me.
-I personally disagree with Ircher putting us in the lynch pool for obvious reasons but he explained why he did so and it makes sense. We are really dissonant lol.
-I like my mindmeld with BLake in 1939
-I really feel irked by egospray's push on Smol Might, feels like scum trying to put up low-hanging fruit as an alternative to their own.

Pink Ball's scumread is ridiculous, but I don't believe it's necessarily scum indicative.

-Blake

I actually disagree on the first part. I think it has somewhat valid logic behind it. Disaster Artists getting super worked up over this kinda reads scum to me. Like he doesn't want to get caught for something he views as not-AI. If that makes sense. This has been a decently reliable tell for me in the past. 1723 is pretty close to what I'm thinking about the slot.

This is functionally incorrect. I've seen John Cena have similar reactions in the past as town. He understands when a push is not necessarily good for the game, even if he otherwise would be looking to gun them down in the street.

It's also very possible he isn't as convinced on Insomnia being scum as he let on. He tends to not push relentlessly on slots that he isn't absolutely sure are scum.

-Blake

Where can I see an example of this?

Personally i'm convinced that egospray vs The Searchers is TvS based on how the egospray wagon developed

This is regardless of any of my other reads

-Farkran

Can you elaborate on this?

This slot should have been IC levels and it's dropped off a lot but let's be real. Firebringer is scum-polarized and he's not playing so that's lame but it doesn't make him scum. And Spiffy's initial mindmeld with me on Tammy was super town, which unfortunately he then just... gave up for no reason by backpedaling on the townread. Still second-guessing a snap townread is probably more town indicative than scum indicative? Maybe not but most of Spiffy's posting has been fine and this slot should probably just be town, with the caveat that the play here is just really different from TvA. But he was mason in TvA so I don't know how that might have impacted his approach.

I wouldn't bet a lot of money on this slot and I won't feel bad if I'm wrong but probably one of the townier slots in the game.

This read is terrible.
"oh he's different from his town meta, he weirdly backpedaled on a read, his hydra partner is absent from the game, but I mindmelded on an early read so they're probably just town!!!"
So incoherent.

IMPORTANT SUMMARY BASICALLY: I would like to lynch egospray or DA. Or maybe NL but that would give us very little info. I could compromise on Smol Might if we absolutely had to.

SC

[The Searchers]

I would not oppose a lynch on pretty much any of the lower-content slots. This includes NL, Foxy, Flavortown, and maybe Feminist Blocc if someone had a good case for it.
Random side-note: I am sad Feminist Blocc changed their avatar, it was amazing!

SC

[The Searchers]

-I like my mindmeld with BLake in 1939

You mindmeld with Blake by linking a Yang post that links to a previous Yang post?

-JC

oops I thought Blake posted that for some reason
Well then a mindmeld with Yang.

SC

[The Searchers]

I still think that Egospray vs The Searchers is TvS and i'm afraid i'm on the wrong side of the vote, but i can work with fixing that another day.

Can you talk about this more please?

-Blake vs Farkran reads TvT. I will confess I am not reading their huge walls at each other.

So you're not reading but you think it's TvT

You realize if you're town this is almost as sloppy as Ircher putting your own slot in the lynchpool right?

-JC

I'm not reading the huge walls but I'm reading the rest of their posts.
You're just trying to misrep me now, what I meant there was obvious.

[The Searchers]

SC

[The Searchers]

DA is flailing

SC

[The Searchers]

@Searchers, sorry i didn't pedit my previous post

I don't townread egospray, but your timing for switching on him was bad imo. If i get to think egospray is green, either by read or flip, i think i'd lynch you, but i need that info first. I am also fine lynching DA though, my shipped solve is still valid and the flip is informative enough.

-Farkran

What was bad about our switch? I mentioned how our DN vote was stale and not doing anything at that point. Ircher and I have disliked egospray for most of the game so ofc we'd join a wagon there.

SC

[The Searchers]

Ircher approved this so

VOTE: disaster artists

SC

[The Searchers]

Pine is a really awesome discussion moderator. He's friendly and fair. He also does a lot of work in the background to handle reports evthough much of this doesn't manfiest itself. He's also fun to be around, and we don't give him (and the other moderators) enough credit for what they do.

~Ircher

[The Searchers]

I appreciate Spiffeh for always being super friendly and funny and awesome to play with. He's a super good player too. I am sad he's scum this game
I also appreciate Firebringer for being one of the most consistently bonkers and fun people on site.
I also appreciate Tammy/Nacho for being awesome players and an awesome hydra and being cool people even when they're scum.
I also appreciate Titus for always being willing to replace in and be the hero, and for also being really fun to play with and welcoming to everyone.
And I appreciate Ircher for hydraing with me and accepting my constant dissonance and wildness.

SC

[The Searchers]

@Searchers, sorry i didn't pedit my previous post

I don't townread egospray, but your timing for switching on him was bad imo. If i get to think egospray is green, either by read or flip, i think i'd lynch you, but i need that info first. I am also fine lynching DA though, my shipped solve is still valid and the flip is informative enough.

-Farkran

What was bad about our switch? I mentioned how our DN vote was stale and not doing anything at that point. Ircher and I have disliked egospray for most of the game so ofc we'd join a wagon there.

SC

My issue was (and still is, tbh) with the timing and the wagon composition at the time of your switch, not your progression

-Farkran

Well then there's not much I can say to that

SC

[The Searchers]

Thank you SirCakez for being one of the first moderators that I met on this site. Your games have always been interesting, and I think it's partly due to you that I stuck around this site.

Hectic, I really appreciate your playstyle. Even though I've played very few games with you, you've already made a large impact. Your playstyle is entertaining, and it reminds us all that mafia is a game.

~Ircher

[The Searchers]

Yeah, I get that this isn't 100% your reads, but since it isn't, why don't you argue for why a specific lynch is poor - especially if you named yourself into a pool?

I think I covered this in the bottom of my post:

There are a few other slots I'd be willing to lynch but that don't provide a good return in terms of info; thus, they should not be focused upon.

But to expand upon this a bit more: suppose we lynched a slot like NL or Flavortown right now? What does that net us in the end? They have scum equity because they are lurking this game, but is that chance particularly high? Not really. And frankly, if we did do such a lynch, we'd be stuck in a similar position as we are today. Other slots like Imperium and Black Hole Detection are out of the lynchpool because they are almost certainly town.

It's also easy for you to list the other 5 names because they've accrued the most attention vote and push-wise, except for maybe Spiffy the main push from Despair and this hydra who has had plenty of adverse interaction with Farkran.

So what's your read on the above two, that you didn't list?

Well that's true an extent. I wouldn't call Mikoto and Kuroko to be an easy name to list. I think Blake is the only slot that really has a significant issue with Mikoto. I do think they feel a little off and kinda bamboozled me at the beginning of the game, and I also think they would provide good info in a lynch. That's why I included them. Smol Might is honestly lynchbait, but they're one of the more active lurkers, and his alignment helps us sort the people they've interacted with, which is a nontrivial amount. SirCakez will disagree with me, but I'm still of the opinion Spiffybringer is town, and it's not a lynch I am at all interested in for day 1. That's why they aren't for instance included in this list. (Before someone gets the wrong idea, I'm not super super confident they're town, just confident enough that I'm willing to give them a pass for the rest of Day 1.) They would probably be a decent info lynch, but in this case, my read on them excludes them from the pool. Your slot I am pretty confident is town, and thus, it is excluded.

When I skim your ISO, I've seen a bit of interaction with the Latios hydra, what's your take there, as well?

Uh... I think SirCakez would be better suited to answering that question. It's another one of those cases where they were town enough for me at the start, and so I've turned kind of a blind eye towards them since. (Like, I'm still reading and evaluating their posts, but unless I see something really bad, I'm not very willing to lynch there.)

I want a smaller lynchpool soon.

That's not happening at the current time.

This is just a really bad post
First off including himself is dumb
Second of all not including several very problematic slots just because they're not posting is extremely poor strategy
Third if you can't find two town in this list you're gonna have a hard time this game

Now wait just a moment.

First all, the way I see it, including yourself is like including yourself in reads list. We're obviously not a popular slot, and again, it's not just about my reads but what benefits town the most.

Second of all, I fundamentally disagree with your second point. The only problematic slots that didn't get included are the ones that are being 100% lurksacks at this point in the game. Maybe they have some legitimate reason for lurking/not actively playing, but there is zero point to lynch them at this point in the game. That's the kind of lynch scum goes through. How is it a bad strategy to encourage people NOT to lynch the low-hanging fruit?

Third of all, there's 17 hydrae in this game. It's likely at least 3, probably 4 of the hydrae in this game are scum. A lynchpool of six people (okay from our perspective, it's 5 technically--that's beside the point) is not at all unreasonable in a game this size. And quite frankly, this lynchpool says very little about who I'm townreading. Why is it problematic if I can't find two town in this list? And how does that relate to us being scum?

Tammy is the only older player that I’m like “Damn, that Tam gonna catch me like Wham!!”

~Ferrari

I still have not heard an explanation of why this isn't just a straight up scum slip?

I still have not heard an explanation of why this is a straight up scum slip.

Why is 129 a bit of a copout?

It's a copout because Mikoto and Kuroko is making this push on Despair Night, but just suddenly drops it like a hot rock. Like I can understand them eventually reevaluating, but that was a bit too sudden.

Do you normally have similar reads to Taly and Alyssa?

I haven't played with them much. It doesn't really matter though; having different reads is a bit of a trigger warning of something isn't right.

So how does that give you good vibes overall for the slot? If it is NAI, and you know it is NAI, how can you feel good about it?

That's SirCakez speaking whereas I made the reads list (by myself). That being said, I don't think it's 100% NAI (unlike SirCakez).

~Ircher

[The Searchers]

Ircher, could you summarize who I scumread right now?

-JC

No not really. I'm not paying your slot a lot of attention right now. Our scumread on you is more SirCakez's read; I'm just not at all opposed to it.

I probably should be paying more attention to your slot, but I haven't had the motivation to really look over your posts from the Despair et al interactions.
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

The only problematic slots that didn't get included are the ones that are being 100% lurksacks at this point in the game.

And you think getting wagon logic on lurker slots is not useful for the game?

-JC

Yeah wagon dynamics aren't useful there. Most townies are willing to compromise on a lurker slot if they lack a preferred lynch. Scum are A-OK with lynching lurkers (that aren't them) but will exercise some caution so as not to appear top interested in the lynch. You certainly don't get more wagon info from lynching a lurking slot versus lynching an active slot.
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

No not really. I'm not paying your slot a lot of attention right now. Our scumread on you is more SirCakez's read; I'm just not at all opposed to it.

I probably should be paying more attention to your slot, but I haven't had the motivation to really look over your posts from the Despair et al interactions.
~Ircher

Didn't you just include me in your PoE of active posters you wanted to die (that included yourself)?

Why did Cakez want to vote me while I'm in the middle of writing a multi-part reads list?

-JC

Yes because of Cakez's read, and I think your lynch would be pretty high info.
I'll let Cakez answer the second part.
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

Not sure where the VC is but I saw recent votes for The Searchers and Disaster Arrtists and we will NOT be lynching either of them today

I still need to reread (which may or may not happen) and catch up (which will probably happen) but I only want egospray or Smol Might

~Spiffy

why not DA?

I voted you because you were scummy DA I'm not gonna hold off just b/c you're busy making reads.

Disaster Artists is town.
Black Hole Deflection is town.
Imperium is town.
Equitable Androids is town.
Spiffybringer is town.
Unapologetically Foxy is town.
Cappy is town.

Egospray could be town.
The Searchers could be town.
Feminist Blocc could be town.
Latias and Latios could be town.

NL is unknown.
Flavortown is unknown.
Smol Might is unknown.
Despair Night is unknown.

Mikoto and Kuroko is scum.

-Blake

What's the point of this readslist other than to yell at Fark more?

[The Searchers]

I voted you because you were scummy DA I'm not gonna hold off just b/c you're busy making reads.

Ok but voting me after I list you as killable but before I update my final scumreads looks like... really weird for you, you get that right?

-JC

I was already SRing you before you made that readslist though

SC

[The Searchers]

This read is terrible.
"oh he's different from his town meta, he weirdly backpedaled on a read, his hydra partner is absent from the game, but I mindmelded on an early read so they're probably just town!!!"
So incoherent.

i don't think this is fair? like, he said "spiffy's posting is mostly fine and this slot should probably just be town" so it's not really just the mindmeld, he just likes Spiffeh's posting in general. It also seems like a stretch to list the hydra partner being a factor in the read when he explicitly stated "that doesn't make him scum." Idk I feel like this read on it just lacks nuance in general?

I feel they listed a lot of specific reasons to not like Spiff and only one specific thing + some vagaries about Spiff town. It just doesn't add up for me.

DA is flailing

SC

Ok I think it's possible I'm tunneling at this point but like... I *really* don't see how DA is flailing here

I feel like their attack on me was just trying to widen the net of possible lynches. It's becoming clear they are one of the few viable lynches today as more people are SRing them than not. Something like M/K or Blake x Yang is not happening today.

That Flavortown post is town b/c I feel scum would be more inclined to tryhard the currency stuff to use it to their advantage. Also I just don't really want to deal with it myself and I can see another town feeling the same way.

SC

Something like this. Why wouldn't town want to maximize currency? What? I don't understand why Scum would be the only ones to do this.

I don't think that was the exact post, but it's something that pinged my read on them.

-gb

I talked about this earlier but basically with less scum and thus less roles they are more in need of night power than town. Someone else said something similar to my thought process; I forget who as it was a while ago.

I have to agree with Spiff that 929 is awful

SC

[The Searchers]

What's wrong with 2104? It just looks like Farkran is responding to Disaster's case? Admittedly, I haven't examined it in close detail.
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

Spiffy you've been on Smol the whole game. I find it hard to believe you haven't developed any other SRs.

SC

[The Searchers]

I almost want to unvote DA for using that gif
almost


SC

[The Searchers]

Still been second-guessing myself since Gobble's last wall but I still think I want to see vote logic

VOTE: Equitable Androids

Who wants to join? Who would argue there's a better day 1 off existing posting?

-JC

Proving my point of DA being willing to lynch anyone to save themselves

SC

[The Searchers]

1. I haven't but on Smol the whole game
2. Start believing it, I'm rereading to see if I can get more of a foothold

If it helps, Titus/Gobble is a slot that I feel did the bare minimum to appease me and has done nothing since, so I will be paying extra attention to them this reread

~Spiffy

when were you not on Smol??

SC

[The Searchers]

I think Cakez may be confirmation biasing himself at this point. I didn't see anything particularly wrong with the vote other than maybe it was kinda abrupt that attention shifted to Androids.
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

So Spiffy has moved his vote around today which I missed.
My bad.
My point about Smol being his primary SR and target all day over others still stands.

SC

[The Searchers]

Lurking Flavor honestly is >rand scum for him
-Latios

Is it? Flavor tends to claim that if he was scum, very few if anyone would suspect him. I don't think lurking coincides with that.

I'm rather opposed to Smol Might btw

-Latios

Why? What do you like in their ISO?

To be clear, there is exactly one person on the entire site that I would expect to be able to read me correctly in every game, especially at this point in time. They are also in this game.

To my knowledge, very few to no other players have provably shown they can differentiate my towngame from my scumgame accurately to a high level.

-Blake

How does recording this aid Orange Star?

I had the same question.

Datisi (Feminist Bloc) has been participating in all events except two, which is fairly indicative of him paying attention to this game in spite of a 27 posts ISO where they mostly focus on The Searchers as their only scumread, with little else.

While you aren't exactly wrong about the evidence, have you considered the fact Datisi may not really be interested in playing this mafia game. That is, Feminist Blocc has explained that Datisi joined because her expectations of this game were different from reality.

Yo Fark, you missed the part where I said that I specifically signed up for minigames because I was told this wouldn't be an Actual Mafia Game?

-D

No, in fact i explicitly quoted the post. You do not seem disingaged enough as to skip the game because you produced one read - why only that read?

-Farkran

Side Tangent: What's the point of signing posts if others don't pay attention to the signatures?

Yo Fark, you missed the part where I said that I specifically signed up for minigames because I was told this wouldn't be an Actual Mafia Game?

-D

No, in fact i explicitly quoted the post. You do not seem disingaged enough as to skip the game because you produced one read - why only that read?

-Farkran

And yet, i make a post against them and they respond immediately.

-Farkran[/quote]
That does look a bit like a beetlejuice, but even if Datisi isn't actively playing the game, she could still be skimming the current page or so. Besides, she has to do that around the event times.

Firebringer has also been completely missing. When Fire's town, he tends to have a jovial personality similar to Hectic. Now it feels like Fire's avoiding the thread because they drew scum.

I think this is what worries me the most about that slot right now.
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

My point about Smol being his primary SR and target all day over others still stands.

Ok it's a bad point though

~Spiffy

Why?

oh also

DA

has warranted my hard-defense of their slot.

so

Disaster Artist

,

Despair Night

, and

Imperium

are slots I will towncase to hell and back.

another thing: why did people magically decide

titus hydra

is scum? am I misted by the fact that

titus

has and I haven't 1v1'd for 3 days straight?

-yang

I would love to see this DA towncase.
Still reading

SC

[The Searchers]

I declare this a TvT argument.

It feels weird that EA has only started attacking SB when SB started attacking them? Like I don't think EA had any sort of read there before. I agree with the reasoning but the timing feels weird. SB noticed it too in 2281.

VOTE: Smol Might

~Spiffy

Why bail on EA?

So multiple scum in Smol Might/egospray/Foxy/Feminist?

~Spiffy

This kinda feels too easy?

I would join a Flavortown wagon but I don't think Ircher wants to go there. I agree they are getting overlooked by a lot of people.
I'm becoming less opposed to a Smol Might lynch.

SC

[The Searchers]

Please explain? DA has been very expansive about their reads and posted a large case on Equitable last page detailing their progression on the slot and why they think it's scum, how is voting them "willing to lynch anyone?"

I feel like they are just vote-hopping and push-hopping a lot. I need to review their ISO I could be totally wrong on this.

Spiffeh respond to my last post pls

SC

[The Searchers]

Why doesn't George just claim his role? We have a gravity surge thing drawing all actions anyway, he's safe for at least two nights.

The only thing that stops me from lynching him is his claim which I have no idea what it is or how it makes him town.

~som

Ego claimed a role???
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Can we stop abbreviating names to two letters? It takes forever to figure them out.
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God damn it I want to CFD feminist blocc.

Why? They are actually engaged with the game (well Ausuka is), just not as talkative. They also haven't done anything of note yet--both scum -wise and town-wise.

Just reading these, the general mentality Ausuka is posting under is "I disagree with them..." and that's literally just it. Half of the questions are asking for more elaboration that she ultimately doesn't chase afterwards, it's just so limp and dull.

That seems like playstyle?

Please explain? DA has been very expansive about their reads and posted a large case on Equitable last page detailing their progression on the slot and why they think it's scum, how is voting them "willing to lynch anyone?"

Here's another thing I strongly question and have trouble with, and I'm sure she's done the same in other questions, but, the mentality behind the two questions is very different.

Please explain?

This is asking for a thought process, presumably in order to sort someone. That's fine. However...

DA has been very expansive about their reads and posted a large case on Equitable last page detailing their progression on the slot and why they think it's scum, how is voting them "willing to lynch anyone?"

This is a clash of mentalities within the same post, and I think it's a recurrent trend. The first question had an intent to sort someone, however, this is stuffing the slot she's questioning in a really awkward hat, like she's almost accusing him. So which one is it, are you trying to sort him, or arguing why he's scum by pushing loaded questions? This clash on mentalities is another thing for scum.

I don't see the clash. It looks like Ausuka wants to understand Cakez's perspective (hence the question). At the same time, she follows up with why she disagrees with Cakez's statement. This is perfectly reasonable if Ausuka disagrees with Cakez's post, which she does. Asking for perspective does not change the fact that Ausuka is entitled to her own beliefs and to expressing them. It's kinda like a "I disagree and here's why, but please offer me your perspective. Maybe it will change my understanding."
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

Okay but I don't really understand why you'd think this. Like, they did give reasons and explanations for their read they essentially said they wouldn't want to push a lynch on you themselves by saying "if this slot is getting lynched I won't be the one leading it", and they also put Egospray as someone they wouldn't want to lynch which I think would be poor survivalist strategy at this point if they really were just flailing around, so why did they do all of that if they're really just trying to expand the lynchpool?

you may be right on this and their posts have gotten more reasonable
but again and again I'm going back to the 1v1 from earlier though
the reaction was too ridiculous to be town

SC

[The Searchers]

Spiffeh why are you ignoring me

VOTE: smol might
for consolidation purposes. I know Ircher is SRing them.

SC

[The Searchers]

I think Disaster Artists looks a bit worse from their exchange with Cappy.

I think 2419 is sufficiently bad faith that I can just peace out from this dayphase, the likelihood that my vote moves is nearly 0%, titus is easily the most likely hit in the list and if you all want to chase one of the other scum that's fine by me but I'm super over this day 1. 0 reasons to think titus+boon isn't 2/2

I have literally no idea about smol might, do whatever you want on that slot if no one will join me on titus because I'm too controversial or whatever

I really don't understand why you feel so strongly about Flavortown. They've barely posted is the only reason I can think of for scum!Flavortown.

You’ve barely done anything and if you want to take this battle I’ll make it toxic for you buddy.

Please don't make thread toxic.

This game has gotten stale.

Please lynch Smol Might.

-Blake

I agree with this sentiment.

Also i realized now what other game Krazy played with me. It was the CultD3 hosted by kerset, where he went by the name Obvious Scum - i had forgot that you have that alt too. Makes a lot of sense and i'm now more willing to believe Krazy town now, although i have already been reconsidering him after his wall on me several pages ago.

I want to wrap up the day for my slot, in light of the recent events

NEVER LYNCHABLE

Black Hole Defection (popsofctown and Prism) - probably highest townread so far based on both slots,
Cappy (Hectic and Pink Ball) - strong townread based on hectic
Latias and Latios (Chemist1422 and Gamma Emerald) - strong townread based on gamma
Disaster Artists (John Cena and DeathRowKitty) - strong re-evaluation of the slot recently, this guy is more than likely town after his wall and meta-recollection of his town games with me compared to the TM scum game.
Imperium (Nachomamma8 and Tammy) - town by claim and behavior

NOT TODAY

Despair Night (JunkoChan and insomnia) - town by behavior in this game, although weird at times.
Equitable Androids (Gobbledygook and Titus) - my confidence on these two slots is low and mostly based on my memories of titus.
Flavortown (Dr Easy Bake and Flavor Leaf) - very far from FL scum meta. Also very far from FL town meta but i really think FL is not the type to turn down a scumgame.
Smol Might (Eragon and Shadowlesscloud) - if this was only shadowless i could buy a scumread on this slot. Not with eragon in it. I'd be surprised if i was wrong.

LYNCHABLE TODAY

Egospray (bugspray and GeorgeBailey) - still one of the best info lynches, but has improved since my past readlist and i want to trust cappy on this. I'd want to have a flip mostly to see what happens afterwards.
Spiffybringer (Spiffeh and Firebringer) - flaily in a weird way, i'd like to hear more about this from the slots i trust and who have knowledge about their heads
The Searchers (SirCakez and Ircher) - i dislike their movements around egospray
NL (GuyInFreezer and MariaR) - no town presence here, no expectation for improvements
Unapologetically Foxy (Pine and xofelf) - no town presence here, no expectation for improvements

ENDORSED LYNCHES

Feminist Blocc (Datisi and Ausuka) - i think my case holds water and movements around this slot are poor, i don't think there are so low expectations as to ignore this slot as scum like most people did when i pushed them. No comments except from blake, and DN after a while is an awkward reaction if they're town. I would expect either more interest in flashwagoning there, or more interest in pushing me for accusing them, but the general feeling is that the gamestate doesn't want to put the spotlight on Feminist Bloc.
Blake x Yang (Alyssa the Lamb and Taly) - there have been recent improvements in terms of plausible accuracy, but i can't get past that they spent the whole day being wrong on me and after moving on and analyzing their surroundings, their main conclusion is that the currently highest wagon is scum. This slot could be town but they shouldn't reach lylo under any circumstance.

I don't think i'll move my vote anymore for today. Smol Might lynch can happen without me if you want it, especially with plurality rules, but more likely i want to see who is committed to that read if the flip happens.

-Farkran

I don't like your bottom two reads at all. We already explained that Ausuka/Datisi joined with a different expectation than what occurred. Hence the reason they are less engaged in this game. I'm not advocating that they get a free pass for the entire game, but what they have done so far resonates as town to me. For instance, their case on our slot looked like a genuine read rather than scum pushing an agenda.

Your reasons for scumreading the Blake slot appear to be some kind of OMGUS to me, and quite frankly, if you subtract yourself from the picture, it should be fairly evident they are town, at least in this point of the game.

Also, what is it about Eragon that makes you not want to lynch Smol Might today?
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

Smol Might's wagon has stagnated and now there's people who has tried to derail it (with no avail I must add). How about we consolidate that wagon, lynch them and then evaluate who was the partner who tried to build a counter wagon?

- Silver Bullet

DA called this post scum but I actually kind of like it. This late in the day this is town motivated posting.
Cappy's interactions with DA are very town in general. And consequently DA's bad interactions with Cappy are keeping me from ever wanting to TR there despite some better posting earlier. No way that was scum theatre IMO.
Like 2422 makes no sense as town. This is the kind of posting that led me to make that "DA is flailing" post earlier.

-snip-
hey tammy, I am not townreading u yet, do u think I should be?

and I am not feeling town on nacho either!

~fire

Are you aware of their role claim?

Firebringer's recent posts read to me like scum.
2502 is town
Smol Might could be getting replaced here?

ENDORSED LYNCHES
Feminist Blocc (Datisi and Ausuka) - i think my case holds water and movements around this slot are poor, i don't think there are so low expectations as to ignore this slot as scum like most people did when i pushed them. No comments except from blake, and DN after a while is an awkward reaction if they're town. I would expect either more interest in flashwagoning there, or more interest in pushing me for accusing them, but the general feeling is that the gamestate doesn't want to put the spotlight on Feminist Bloc.
Blake x Yang (Alyssa the Lamb and Taly) - there have been recent improvements in terms of plausible accuracy, but i can't get past that they spent the whole day being wrong on me and after moving on and analyzing their surroundings, their main conclusion is that the currently highest wagon is scum. This slot could be town but they shouldn't reach lylo under any circumstance.

Fark you need to be realistic here. These lynches are not happening today. Why not push something that might actually happen?

SC

[The Searchers]

I can't remove myself from the picture when analyzing blake, because my POV is unique in the sense that i know that her main push throughout the day 1 is wrong. Being wrong doesn't make her scum, but the quickness and the poor quality of the push do. I have taken a step back on her recently, to see how she would work without my "interference" as some slots have accused me of, but the conclusion is superficial and convenient - "the main wagon on a lurker slot will land likely on scum" doesn't look like a proactive read to me. Scum!Blake definitely qualifies as a powerwolf, i don't see how she is obvtown to anyone by behavior.

I will not join the wagon on smol might because i don't think it will land on scum. I do not need to compromise on the currently highest wagon because plurality lynches are in effect and a result can be obtained without my help, so i'd rather push where i am more confident i will hit scum. I would rather have compromised on somebody earlier when there were 3-4 wagons with roughly the same amount of votes and we had time to evaluate how those wagons happened.

Also i have towncased Eragon somewhere in my iso and provided games to analyze about towngames and scumgames from him. To summarize, i really don't think that scum!eragon would turn down this game after having just recently been lynched because of a poor catchup and subsequent complaining about being lynched d1.

-Farkran

Ok but you should be able to see that from everyone else's perspective (who doesn't know your alignment) Blake doesn't look that bad. Backed up by the fact no one else wants to lynch there. I feel like you're intentionally acting oblivious here.
You don't need to compromise on Smol (I don't even SR them strongly myself) but you should recognize that if you don't push someone who might actually get lynched you're essentially doing nothing.

VOTE: NL

Placeholder since I'm starting to like Farkran's posting just a bit

-Latias

why go here other than them being lurksauce?

SC

[The Searchers]

It's looking like Smol is gonna get replaced anyways @Fark

SC

[The Searchers]

@Fark for example I'm still hard SRing Spiffybringer despite their attempts to buddy me but I can recognize they are not getting lynched today so I'm pretty much backburnering it.

Egospray (bugspray and GeorgeBailey) - still one of the best info lynches, but has improved since my past readlist and i want to trust cappy on this. I'd want to have a flip mostly to see what happens afterwards.
Spiffybringer (Spiffeh and Firebringer) - flaily in a weird way, i'd like to hear more about this from the slots i trust and who have knowledge about their heads
The Searchers (SirCakez and Ircher) - i dislike their movements around egospray
NL (GuyInFreezer and MariaR) - no town presence here, no expectation for improvements
Unapologetically Foxy (Pine and xofelf) - no town presence here, no expectation for improvements

Like why not go after someone in this list?

Maybe you aren't hardpushing Blake x Yang anymore but I don't really see you pushing elsewhere? I bring this topic back up because of this readslist where you put Blake x Yang as your top SR.
P-edit: Blake that's basically the same thought I'm having.

SC

[The Searchers]

It makes little logical sense for Farkran to stick to these failed pushes when egospray is within his lynchable list and has a realistic chance of being pushed through.

this

SC

[The Searchers]

rekt

SC

WHYYYYY

[The Searchers]

I think from now on I'm gonna stop trying and just complain about every post calling me scum

That sounds more fun

~Spiffy

scumlord

SC

[The Searchers]

calm down Spiffeh you aren't getting lynched...yet

Who is scum besides EA and Smol?

SC

[The Searchers]

where are you with Imperium and Despair Night, then?
I just ISod you and didn't see, why Mikoto scum?

SC

[The Searchers]

I would just like to say that egospray REALLY needs to die tomorrow

~Spiffy

I 100% agree with this. Smol Might isn't a bad lynch at all, but egospray is equally deserving of a lynch. I feel like GeorgeBailey started being more engaged in the thread when people started scumreading him, and since then, he (as Spiffybringer put it) is "doing the bare minimum" he can to avoid being lynched right now.
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

Re: Smol Might

I see Smol Might as town that has a hard time trying to keep up with the game. I feel like if Smol was scum, they would have a better grasp at what is going on.

Personally, following this game has been really tough and I had to talk back and forth with Kuroko to better understand the state of the game. I still think the Blake and Yang duo is likely to lean town. Ank tends to dive head first as town which follows this pattern a lot.

-Mikoto

ehhhh scum can get disnegaged and disconnected VERY easily. I'm thinking of Goatmeal way back in my game The Thing Mafia. A scum hydra that basically gave up and stopped posting and didn't submit night actions and got lynched day 2. Sometimes it is just that easy.

Okay but I don't really understand why you'd think this. Like, they did give reasons and explanations for their read they essentially said they wouldn't want to push a lynch on you themselves by saying "if this slot is getting lynched I won't be the one leading it", and they also put Egospray as someone they wouldn't want to lynch which I think would be poor survivalist strategy at this point if they really were just flailing around, so why did they do all of that if they're really just trying to expand the lynchpool?

you may be right on this and their posts have gotten more reasonable
but again and again I'm going back to the 1v1 from earlier though
the reaction was too ridiculous to be town

SC

I'm curious at to what like your initial thought process was w/ the attack on you being just a way to expand the lynchpool though. Like, what was it that made you come to the conclusion that Krazy was just attacking you to expand the lynchpool earlier?

i don't think DA is trying to sow discord; his reasoning seems somewhat fair and followable throughout his interaction with Silver Bullet. I'm referring to the part that was mainly about Flavortown to be clear.

Because DA was getting wagoned up and one of the viable lynches today. The way to counter that is to drag other people into the spotlight.
I don't think DA's reaction to Cappy looked reasonable at all; it read like a huge overreaction.

Firebringer's recent posts read to me like scum

I agree, but why do you think so?

~fire

You're trying a little too hard to come off as friendly Fire <3

Mikoto Kuruko is either extremely misguided in their push on Blake & Yang or just scum needing something to be ~passionate~ about

~Spiffy

I'm beginning to feel the latter on this?

Ha SirCakez I am successfully ingratiating myself into your other head's good graces

Soon you will NEVER be able to lynch me

~Spiffy

ONLY SCUM WOULD POST THIS
HE'S LORDING HIS SCUMMINESS OVER ME

SC

[The Searchers]

tl;dr not much has changed for me

SC

[The Searchers]

If I hammer will I look bad?

Why did you need to ask this?

VOTE: smol might

Enjoy Cats!

Hmmm...
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

Plusle used Follow Me!

So, Imperium. Mind clearing the air on this?

-Latios

???
Aren't Imperium pretty much conf!town now?
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

wanna go back to egospray here

SC

[The Searchers]

DA's posting over last few pages is really weird

SC

[The Searchers]

DA's posting over last few pages is really weird

SC

That's because I'm trying not to insult you for saying I came off poorly when pink ball was crossing extremely bad lines

Your posting st eod was just..... Awful, even alignment aside your posting was just really bad

I'm sorry dude but I was shocked at your heads shading me hard after pink balls posts, like wow

???

SC

[The Searchers]

you're a little late lol

SC

[The Searchers]

SirCakez, I will defend you for eternity.

<3

I put way less thought into my word than everyone else
Guess I got what I deserved..

SC

[The Searchers]

I dislike CO SirCakez's dismissive attitude towards a changing battlefield.

?
I mean I was surprised SB flipped town but I don't think it changes my reads too much. Especially because it seems like they weren't the intended night kill.

SC

[The Searchers]

Spoiler: GeorgeBailey

Which is why the mod's yelling at me to post from my main account

(not actually yelling, they were very amiable)

GeorgeBailey

Don't use spoiler tags without changing the font color; otherwise, I will push a policy lynch on you.

Spoiler:

Here's an alternative.

This works too.

.
See here for more details.
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

I dislike CO SirCakez's dismissive attitude towards a changing battlefield.

?
I mean I was surprised SB flipped town but I don't think it changes my reads too much. Especially because it seems like they weren't the intended night kill.

SC

I don't think we will get as much from this day if it tightly centers on Tag Team egospray. I agree that I don't see a bond between Tag Team egospray and Tag Team Spiffybringer.

Less so than I want to imply you are with Black Hole Army I want to convince you to take a broader approach to this day.

I will try. It should be easier today with the slower pace.

I think NKA is useless considering the obviously messed up night actions.
Is there a case for Feminist Blocc other than VCA? I don't think they are particularly townie but also not particularly scummy.

SC

[The Searchers]

I can't speak for Cakez, but I have a slight townread on their slot rn and don't think they're a good vote.
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

Pretty much what Ircher said, Titus.

SC

[The Searchers]

I deduced someone else had it. I think datisi or chemist.

At the end I was 50/50 between princes palace and shack and I guessed the wrong one
FML

SC

[The Searchers]

I like the current Flavor Leaf. I don't want to lynch there rn.
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

This game is impressively lethargic.

Which slots were active yesterday that aren't today?

-Blake

everyone...but this slower pace is better for town honestly
as long as it doesn't slow to a total drag

I also am not interested in Flavortown rn

SC

[The Searchers]

This has nothing to do w/ the claim.

Also @Boon: You can still die if DEB is night-killed.

VOTE: Mikoto and Kuroko
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

Kuroko, why are you so focused on night actions?

Also I still dislike the Feminist Blocc wagon. Honestly, Flavortown would be a better lynch. No one has offered a compelling reason as to why they are scum--all I'm seeing is "Ausuka and Datisi aren't as engaged in the game as everyone else." That's not a good reason to lynch a slot especially given their rebuttal. Not to mention the fact that I townread what they have done.

Equitable Androids have been a meh slot all game that I've been paying minimal attention to. I would not be opposed to s wagon there.
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

I like the current Flavor Leaf. I don't want to lynch there rn.
~Ircher

This game is impressively lethargic.

Which slots were active yesterday that aren't today?

-Blake

everyone...but this slower pace is better for town honestly
as long as it doesn't slow to a total drag

I also am not interested in Flavortown rn

SC

Scummy lol

Why?

SIrchers, how you feel about titus slot 'rn'?

Ircher and I are both mixed on it. Very meh as Ircher said.

Tag Team Flavortown's willingness to delegate after seeing Orange Star losses but Day One and Night One suggests to me they are not shared losses. It seems hard to argue against bombarding a Tag Team with so little activity and a weak CO power, but Tag Team The Searchers argues against it anyway. Why?
Hawke would be among those that have been less active today. I won't steal his words on why.
I think there are lots of scum among the quieter slots, so a slower pace is better, but it's not unreasonable to be curious about who is quiet and why.

We don't think they are that scummy aside from the lurking and they will probably be lynched later anyways. No need to go after them now IMO.

SC

[The Searchers]

We want to explore a wagon on M/K

SC

[The Searchers]

I wouldn't really mind a Foxy wagon, though that one kind of has the feel of being low hanging fruit simply since they honestly don't seem engaged at all.

I'm trying not to focus on egospray as much this day phase, but I would like to point out how they have disappeared this day phase as soon as them being lynched is no longer being actively talked about. Maybe I'm reading into it too much, and they just got busy, but it seems to correlate with my thoughts on their actions yesterday--namely, they started posting and being active only to avoid being lynched.
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

Why?

No such thing as a game where there's a good day to just be uninterested in flavortown

I mean I want to go to Flavortown too
But not today

I wouldn't really mind a Foxy wagon, though that one kind of has the feel of being low hanging fruit simply since they honestly don't seem engaged at all.

I'm trying not to focus on egospray as much this day phase, but I would like to point out how they have disappeared this day phase as soon as them being lynched is no longer being actively talked about. Maybe I'm reading into it too much, and they just got busy, but it seems to correlate with my thoughts on their actions yesterday--namely, they started posting and being active only to avoid being lynched.
~Ircher

I completely agree with all of this.

I am getting pretty disengaged from this game :/
Also pagetop

SC

[The Searchers]

damn you bhd

SC

[The Searchers]

I'm not convinced.
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

Not much has changed. I kinda want to go back to egospray because I agree with Ircher that them disappearing with the pressure going away is scummy.

SC

[The Searchers]

I don't like Mikoto & Kuroko's reads list. Also, as to why our vote is currently on their slot--something feels off about their slot. Like considering each post individually, their ISO seems perfectly fine, but when looking at it from a holistic perspective, there is something off, and I'n not definite what it is. They also acted somewhat defensively to our vote. That isn't condemning, but it is something.

That said, unless egospray comes in and claims something that is likely to be town-aligned, I think that is where we will want to lynch. They have yet to do anything this day phase to lessen our suspicion, and it really feels like they are taking advantage of diverted attention to do as little as possible. Aside from their private claim, I would really appreciate if someone who is townreading them explains how their ISO is an Orange Star ISO rather than a scum ISO.
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

Now I'm very disinclined to vote Foxy as I don't like the way Mikoto and Kuroko are going about this.
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

That vote reasoning is kinda eh @Foxy. Like I get the sentiment, but I don't think Mikoto and Kuroko's actions here are of a defensive sort. Rather, it feels the opposite--it's an offensive move against your slot. It just feels a bit too much on the offensive side as in it feels like scum trying to push a mislynch through. That's why I'm disinclined to join the Foxy wagon.

pedit: Smol Might was low hanging fruit, and I mentioned as much. That doesn't prevent us from voting there, it just makes it less valuable/likely to do so. In Smol Might's particular case, I think their slot's scummyness when they were around were enough to justify it. Furthermore, once it became clear the mods needed a replacement for the slot, there was no real reason to change my mind.
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

I have no interest in Foxy wagon. It's PL at best.
Mikoto has been AWFUL the last two pages.
-The readslist was awful. Blake destroyed it well.
-Their push on Foxy sucks, it's lowhanging fruit and from what I know about Fark he could do way better here. 3235 is scum trying to get townpoints.
-Their SR on us for the "timing of vote on egospray" has no progression and is also scum motivated. Like pulling out a post 2500 posts ago? Get out of here.

SC

[The Searchers]

People who don't want Foxy wagon should join here.

SC

[The Searchers]

For what it’s worth, I’m invested in Blake vs Farkran, and think there’s a scum in there.

I get what Blake’s pushing Farkran for in the political sense, and I’ve been town reading Blake for a bit, at least in the sense of they’re one of the people’s who’s posts I read to get a grasp of what’s going on, and to see their thought process.

I’m not invested enough yet to push this further, but I’m posting this for me later. I could be wrong and Blake’s scum, but I’ve been burnt by that before, and i usually don’t naturally town read them, so this is different.

Alternatively, I DO feel a different feeling from Farkran as I usually do. I won’t push either of these further until I have a better grasp.

~FL

Vote Mikoto

SC

[The Searchers]

You're doing a remarkable job of taking the safe route to any situation, Farkran.

Your list of townreads are people nobody is contesting.
Your scumreads and lynchable list includes one of the only two slots that have had scumreads on you this game, the slot that hasn't been around, the other slot that hasn't been around, the slot with the most content that isn't universally townread, and the slot with a player that openly isn't playing combined with a notably easy push player.

The blunt truth is that you have not done anything significantly town this game. I'm strongly questioning your decision to park on a vanity vote towards the end of day one followed by an apathy wagon. Not only this, but you defending the counter wagon by VCA when they had literally responded to my pressure by stating that every wagon outside of the lynch wagon was a vanity wagon is absolutely asinine.

I'm not convinced these events are doing more than damaging town's chances of winning now that I think about it.

-Blake

This is Blake commenting upon Kuroko's reads list. Note the bolded part. I think Blake's point here is that the majority of reads are safe reads with one or two reads that are pretty much OMGUS in nature. That doesn't make for a good reads list.

As to other things to dislike about Mikoto and Kuroko, I think Cakez's post points out most of them. I will note that the majority of this read has developed over the past few posts; the initial vote was more of a "See how they react" kind of vote because we were beginning to feel something was off about their slot. I explained this in a little more depth in one of my earlier posts today. (The one that Gobble thought was very fence-sitty.)

If Cakez wants to expand further/offer his perspective, he's free to do so, but this is the bulk of the read.
~Ircher

pedit: That's modkillable information.

[The Searchers]

I should note also that part of the reason Cakez is pushing this so strongly (I don't disagree with the read, but I also don't feel quite as strongly about it) is that he believes town will just settle for Foxy if we take a back row seat, and he sees Foxy as a policy lynch at best. (He's right in that Foxy is low-hanging fruit, and Foxy is the inevitable lynch if the thread is left to its own devices.) He thinks we need to shake up the game state that has become very apathetic, and the Mikoto and Kuroko slot is the best way to accomplish that.
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

I guess their Blake read isn't exactly an OMGUS by definition since Mikoto and Kuroko have been advancing that read for a long time, but I think if you look closer, the read doesn't make a lot of sense. Like, from their perspective, it might make sense, but just the way they've gone about it makes it feel like a confirmation biased push. (It could also be scum trying to sow discord in the consensus townreads which Blake x Yang more or less fall under.)

As to your second question, I can't really answer that due to lack of meta experience with Farkran. That being said, I think that line of reasoning is dangerous because it goes down the WIFOM route. You have a point that Fark knows this push doesn't look super good for him, but it stills remains a question whether he goes with it anyway. I think this is a 60-40 kind of situation (not sure which way), so I think the WIFOM argument here is valid.
~Ircher

[The Searchers]

Searchers, could you explain more in depth the MK reasons for suspecting? The limited amount of the game I've actually read I come away with a townread on them. How did Blake dismantle their readslist?

See last page.

I mean looking through their iso it looks like their scumreads have been pretty consistent on those slots? I don't see how they can have OMGUS scumreads on those slots when it looks like they were suspicious of those slots before those slots were suspicious of them.

Does Farkran go for the easiest way out as scum or does Farkran only go for low hanging fruit? Do you think Farkran as scum would not realize this about himself and lean into that rather than try to switch it up?

- Boop

I don't know Fark meta.
The fact that the reads have been the same for most of the game doesn't bother me (although I think the lack of progression on some slots is weird).
I just think the reads are tailored to fit a scum motivation here. Lots of easy stuff with the exception of the big Blake SR which they aren't even pushing.

SC

[The Searchers]

Searchers is eating out her hand for no reason, furthering the shade towards my slot with misreps. SvS or TvS is guaranteed.

-Farkran

This is just flat-out a lie
We developed our SR on you before that readslist was even posted
You're trying to discredit us
Regardless of the "reasoning" for your reads it looks shaped to position yourself rather than an actually developed town readslist. You're STILL scumreading us for the egospray movement thing (when egospray is not even flipped) and that remains the only reason for it, yet you pull the SR out every chance you get. No progression, just padding to have more SRs. Same goes for Foxy and NL who you SR for "not being around".

SC

[The Searchers]

To be honest rn i'm scumreading you for your blind devotion to Blake despite baseless reasoning, and because you're pushing us for nonexistent reasons. My progression on you is listed in my post, but don't worry. We don't need your vote.

@despair night, imperium, L&L, disaster artist, egospray = please vote unapologetically foxy.

-Farkran

"I don't know how to defend my scumminess so I'm gonna buzzword it away and continue to spam my push on lowest-hanging fruit!"

SC

[The Searchers]

M/K's response here is SO BAD

SC

[The Searchers]

All I see in your "progression" on us is the same thing repeated three times

SC

[The Searchers]

@despair night, imperium, L&L, disaster artist, egospray = please vote Mikoto and Kuroko.

-SC