SIR Disease Mafia - Game Over!

[Jake The Wolfie]

Hey all, I hope all is well.

Would anyone on the Hoctac wagon care to explain why they are on it?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Hey all, I hope all is well.

Would anyone on the Hoctac wagon care to explain why they are on it?

This is the scummiest/lamest entrance in this game so far.

I retract my all, in favor of all who are not Judiciarily Powered.

[Jake The Wolfie]

What the hell is that VC?

Why is it so varied?

Why are there so many 0's?

[Jake The Wolfie]

At least the rules.

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: Jake the Wolfie

Let's pressure this slot and see if they have any playing ability?

Look at this galoomba

[Jake The Wolfie]

SIR, please desist.

[Jake The Wolfie]

This game is really hard to track tbh.

[Jake The Wolfie]

All these people can die...

Creature
5G
Jake the Wolfie
Vecna (did I REALLY do that? Yes, I did)
50 (same as above)
Tchill
Saudade (the reads here are bad and same as the other stuff)

No, No I cannot die.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Hey all, I hope all is well.

Would anyone on the Hoctac wagon care to explain why they are on it?

Are you from Jake and the Never Land Pirates?

I will admit, you have said something I have never heard before.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Y’all ready for me to takeover yet or nah?

After Voted is done being Voted.

[Jake The Wolfie]

i imagine infected players can factional kill or (inclusive) spread the infection further sine town wincon isn't just "kill the original three scum"

i don't think there's a situation where you can get the original three scum dead and in doing so simultaneously lose control of town via number of players, although i could be looking into this too much

Infected players are not mafia. They are infected.

That's like saying a square becomes a blue triangle because you paint it blue.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I hope I don't Miss Lynch you.

haha funne joke hehehehehe

[Jake The Wolfie]

I say it every time he suspects me

Go back to your V/LA, Auro!

[Jake The Wolfie]

Lowkey waiting for D3 when there's not may people left.

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE:

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: TSE

Sheep me

VOTE: Auro

[Jake The Wolfie]

Dave is scum?

Yes. I would say so.

Feel free to ISO me for my reason.

You should find it. It'll be Quick.

[Jake The Wolfie]

no i kinda just want infected to out so we can understand how much infected knows

they can literally just kill their own infected so its kinda important infected outs everything and if nai works correctly then they should be cured and then killed

It could also be that infected don't know shit

[Jake The Wolfie]

Also, my wincon implies that Mafia are not the infected. I hypothesize that Non-Mafia get infected, but don't autojoin the mafia, because that would be fucking stupid.

[Jake The Wolfie]

i mean if infected dont know anything thats pretty valuable knowledge for town to have

and if they out they get cured anyways, so /shrug for them they can go back to legit scumhunting with us then instead of playing scum

They might not even know they are infected.

[Jake The Wolfie]

not knowing your alignment changed and therefore your wincon is a clear violation of:

and there are no secret win conditions, false roles, or anything of that nature.

Consider this:

My hypothetical wincon is to kill all Cultist and their vessels.

Cultist may choose to make someone a vessel at night. This fails if they are not town.

Vessels keep their previous wincon, but now must also kill themselves in order to win.

Vessels have no idea they are a vessel.

Does this mean any vessel's wincon has been changed?
Does this mean any town's wincon changes?
Does this mean any cultist's wincon changes?

No, no, and no.

[Jake The Wolfie]

*snags pagetop*

p-edit: Fuck off, Covid

[Jake The Wolfie]

TSE, got any reads yet? And don't you dare get the WHEEL in

I haven’t been paying much attention to this so no.
I don’t got any.

But I’ll tell you something.
If your town, I will know. I will know your Misguided about reading my slot scum when I’m Town.
If your Scum, I will know. And I’ll make sure everyone else knows it to.
But as for right now.
I’m going to head to sleep.
Good Night!

U scum lol

[Jake The Wolfie]

If infected don't out ASAP, we lynch them, yeah?

[Jake The Wolfie]

If infected don't out ASAP, we lynch them, yeah?

Kinda hard if they don't out themselves...

Well I mean if they out because they're about to get lynched.

[Jake The Wolfie]

We are assuming players know they are infected on the night they get the virus.

I asked the mod. He said so.

Bullshit. I asked the mod and they said no comment.

VOTE: Voted

[Jake The Wolfie]

TSE, got any reads yet? And don't you dare get the WHEEL in

I haven’t been paying much attention to this so no.
I don’t got any.

But I’ll tell you something.
If your town, I will know. I will know your Misguided about reading my slot scum when I’m Town.
If your Scum, I will know. And I’ll make sure everyone else knows it to.
But as for right now.
I’m going to head to sleep.
Good Night!

U scum lol

If you would only add a "because clause" to this you might achieve having a useful thought in the game.

U scum because I said so lol

[Jake The Wolfie]

I'm pretty sure someone mentioned they could heal infected earlier?

If you are infected, how does getting cured help you defeat town?

Since if you're cured, your alignment becomes town again. And town are obviously going to win this game because they have the likes of me, Jake the Wolfie, 5G, and Saudade on their side.

I mean, if you change your terminal goal to starve, then you've made life easier. No one wants to do that because you can't just easily change terminal goals.

[Jake The Wolfie]

mastina can you elaborate on why you like to elaborate so much

Sure can! It's due to being autistic, and feeling a compulsion to convey the concepts in my brain to perfect clarity. To put that in different words, I explain things as my first language being "concepts", and every time I type something, I am doing my best to 'translate' the concepts in my mind, into English words.

But things get Lost In Translation, because you can never perfectly translate things from one language to another, so some of the nuances, finer points, specifics, and so on and so forth from the original thought as it existed in conceptual form, are lost when I translate it into word form. And this 'corrupted data', so to speak, is something I strive to then try and recover. Sometimes successfully, often times not. Which is where the elaboration comes from.

That, plus on a different note--this is obviously mixed in a little bit with some Narcissism (or a concept close thereto; someone once linked to a concept not called Narcissism but which is a close cousin thereof and at the time they did I actually went "hey, that sounds a lot like what I am like"), in that I love to share details about myself to others, but also:

I believe there is a magic to be had in talking. Just talking to others. Mafia is many many many things, but it is in part a Social Game. Social games require interacting with others, aka, socializing. You socialize by talking. So to socialize...I talk. I believe there is a magic to be had in talking, that allows people who otherwise would have no common ground, to find common ground. Something they share in personality, media they like, careers they have or have had, aspirations they possess, the like. And that the more you talk, the easier it is to find these, and also to find differences that can be discussed amicably.

That balance, between what they find in common and what they have which differs, can with enough talking, spark a magical connection and it allows people to get to know each other better, establish friendships and the like.

Plus, I am inherently a very very very lonely person and talking about myself is in many ways--a desperate attempt to reach out and connect with others, a last-ditch hope effort to connect, to satiate that loneliness and find happiness where previously there was none. Talking about myself is thus one of the ways I try to gain companionship. So I talk and talk and talk and talk.

...Also?

Boredom.

Please elaborate.

[Jake The Wolfie]

1. Creature - meta says scum, can't remember a single useful post
4. 5G Tower - scum tinted hammer, yet another slot with no explicitly town behavior
5. Jake the Wolfie - only on number 5 and this is the 4th slot with no useful posts
6. Aristophanes - fits in the category with Auro where there are some townish things but I'd be hard pressed to remember a stance from him
10. Alchemist21 - another in the Auro/Ari category where occasionally a post will look vaguely town but darned if I can remember them
12. Flavor Leaf - I'm getting a strong "buried in RL stuff" vibe. Lacks any purpose which could mean town given that he tends to actively drive chaos when scum
13. gobbledygook - replaced who? Has he posted?
16. 50 Judge Powers - feels town by meta. I feel confident I'd recognize scum 50

The lurkers need to post

useful stuff

or perish. That means taking stances on reads and backing those stances up with evidence.

Realtalk here by the way.
I know people are like, "policy lynches are bad!!!", but like.
Legitimately.

I feel like we net 2-3 of the original scumteam by adapting the policy of "Lynch All Lurkers".
Yes, we would also hit town with that policy, and a fair number of them, too. (Notably, I agree with the take on FL and I very much want to trust dave's take on Almost50 so if you remove those two, you get the lurker pool of {Creature, 5G, Jake, Aristophanes, Alch, Turkey}, and of those the only one I would defend myself is Alchemist, so in the pool of Creature/5G/Jake/Ari/Turkey I'd expect to hit 2-3 scum.)

But I sincerely feel that a strategic implementation of Lynch All Lurkers, scummiest lurker to least scummy Lurker, would net us the original scum. At least two of them but honestly? Probably just legit all three.

I really DO think that the scumteam this game IS in the lurkers, barring the possibility of one of them being in the outliers (e.g. the likes of Tchill/Saudade being scum).

I'm not lurking. Just surprise posting.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Case Quick. And how come you have no comment on me, Turkey?

My Hero! Wait, is it actually Hactoc that is my hero? I forget.

You have no hero. Mwahaha

[Jake The Wolfie]

Let's just lynch Saudade so no one has to replace in for them

[Jake The Wolfie]

Throw at me hard math problems. Prefer probability questions :3

These are averages. What do you do with them?

6.95 4.16 126.26 1.2 62.13 56.73

Consume

[Jake The Wolfie]

Am I dead yet?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Say no to drugs.

Drugs: Why not save some for later

TSE: Say no to drugs.

[Jake The Wolfie]

i have a machine learning algorithm that says the chances of you being scum is 63%

I have an AGI that's 63% sure you pulled that number out of your anus.

[Jake The Wolfie]

yes its a troll post wow thank you captain obvious

*Admiral Obvious

[Jake The Wolfie]

yes its a troll post wow thank you captain obvious

*Admiral Obvious

** Admiral Wolfious

That's Fleet Admiral Obvious, 4th Wolf to the Royal Throne of Hell to you!

[Jake The Wolfie]

reserved - tomorrow

S.I.R., this isn't a resteraunt. You cannot have reservations here.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Some analysis:

Spoiler: Other unneeded quote text

Jake has stated

We are assuming players know they are infected on the night they get the virus.

I asked the mod. He said so.

Bullshit. I asked the mod and they said no comment.

VOTE: Voted

And I asked

@mod would the infected know they are infected?

Answered via PM.
~Covid 19

Which, I will be completely upfront, the mod replied in the affirmative.

Which means that either a) Jake sucks at wording his questions b) the mod is giving different people different answers c) Jake is straight up lying

Let's tackle a) Jake sucks at wording his questions

We are assuming players know they are infected on the night they get the virus.

I asked the mod. He said so.

Bullshit. I asked the mod and they said no comment.

VOTE: Voted

I asked if infected know if they are infected. Mod said yes.
The mod doesn't like you, probably.

Jake's either trolling or he worded the question differently in a way which the mod couldn't answer.

Both of these posts are basically questioning Jake's questioning and Jake has now made ~12 posts since these posts so either he missed them which if it is the case

jake please tell us how you worded the question of whether the infected would be informed of being infected to the mod

For innocuous reasons bestowed to me by the mod, I am not allowed to quote exactly what I asked the mod. Paraphrasing would not help either.

[Jake The Wolfie]

dude what about my case moved jake from your top townslot to your voting slot

like my cases are literally not some magical wizardry

Because like I said, my reads based on my method are highly subject to change at this point. They are not rock solid reads, but generalities based on Town Utility. They don't really develop into accurate reads until late game.

I can keep telling you this if you keep bringing the same accusations against me if you want.

I already think you slipped Town, so that is another reason why I am sheeping you on Jake.

Does them slipping as town mean I am scum?

[Jake The Wolfie]

holy shit whatever someone else can pick up the pieces if they want this game has gone full bizarro and im not too good with words in this state and its going go circular

VOTE: jake

this can die until jake can reasonably explain what happened instead of hiding

If you want me to be modkilled and/or replaced, I'd be happy to explain. Just give me your answer.

[Jake The Wolfie]

lets try another route then

jake does your vote on voted still stand?

I am interested in diving into who voted V.

[Jake The Wolfie]

lets try another route then

jake does your vote on voted still stand?

I am interested in diving into who voted V.

For example: were they voting V because I am their leader who will follow me mostly unhinged, or do they want V dead?

[Jake The Wolfie]

in fairness, Jake and voted have contradictory answers so it makes it seem like one is lying, I don't feel like its some crzy logic that Quick sees this and goes "hey Jake is scum!"

ofc could abuse that as well. If Jake is town.

see if anyone else did that id be fine but quick explicitly took the position before that jake was town and voted was the scum in the exchange

idk really anymore, i feel like my case was pretty self explanatory, i just wanted to put it down in words and did not expect to change people's minds, just bring more people into the conversation but like i changed someone's mind and now i don't know how to reacT???

Your case included 2 questions for me, one o whcih I answered, and the other one I don't need to answer.

[Jake The Wolfie]

lets try another route then

jake does your vote on voted still stand?

I am interested in diving into who voted V.

jake why did you vote voted originally btw? was it because you felt like you saw a contradiction and now you see that you made a poor choice of words? can you give us a whiff of why the contradiction happened? wording? role?

The vote on V was because of boredom with the staleness from my PoV. I could have just let V's comment brush away, but because I wanted to feel somewhat useful, I threw some cards down on the table.

[Jake The Wolfie]

meh. jake is giving pretty shit answers and hiding behind the threat of a modkill. i think reasonably jake can give a better hint as to what he's thinking and why certain things transpired the way they did without eating a modkill. and if its hard, sucks to suck welcome to mafia. so until he at least attempts that he should eat rope.

I learned my lesson on another site. Better to be slaughterd by the town and give nothing than to be slaughtered by the mod and gain nothing.

pedit: Stop with all the ninja's. This isn't a damn dojo.

[Jake The Wolfie]

lets try another route then

jake does your vote on voted still stand?

I am interested in diving into who voted V.

jake why did you vote voted originally btw? was it because you felt like you saw a contradiction and now you see that you made a poor choice of words? can you give us a whiff of why the contradiction happened? wording? role?

The vote on V was because of boredom with the staleness from my PoV. I could have just let V's comment brush away, but because I wanted to feel somewhat useful, I threw some cards down on the table.

so like you added the comments about "bullshit, mod says no comment" for the shits and giggles? or are they true and why you voted him?

They were true. I wouldn't give out false info, but I do hide true info.

[Jake The Wolfie]

All your reasons for reads are terrible. Seriously.

just playing on a lvl you cant even fathom. Heres your number (#3)

go join nero and mastina in the observers room. please maintain 6 ft distance so youre idiocracy will not spread please and thank you.

A great way to make people look dumb is by gaslighting.

pedit: Pagetop

pedit2: Fucking hell Oka

[Jake The Wolfie]

like if you don't pm the mod about this setup and you want to continue to say mAyBe InFeCtEd DoNt KnOw, your basically saying to ircher you are a horrible game designer who doesn't care about player experience. or you could just pm him now and ask him so you can be assured the ircher is legitimately a good game designer

Or y'know, we could find OG scum to stop infection rates from going higher than you when construding conspiracy theories?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Spoiler: Unneeded Quote extract

lets try another route then

jake does your vote on voted still stand?

I am interested in diving into who voted V.

jake why did you vote voted originally btw? was it because you felt like you saw a contradiction and now you see that you made a poor choice of words? can you give us a whiff of why the contradiction happened? wording? role?

The vote on V was because of boredom with the staleness from my PoV. I could have just let V's comment brush away, but because I wanted to feel somewhat useful, I threw some cards down on the table.

so like you added the comments about "bullshit, mod says no comment" for the shits and giggles? or are they true and why you voted him?

They were true. I wouldn't give out false info, but I do hide true info.

so its true you pm'd the mod about whether the infected know that they are infected and got the response "no comment"?

Generally, yes.

[Jake The Wolfie]

LMFAO JAKE REALLY YOU WANT TO TAKE THE HIGHGROUND OF SCUMHUNTING? AS FAR AS I CAN TELL THE ONLY SCUMHUNTING YOU DID TODAY WAS SAY VOTED WAS A LIAR AND VOTE HIM FOR IT. GET OUT WITH YOUR BULLSHIT

Or higher than your voice when you yell.

[Jake The Wolfie]

i mean pretty clearly jake is baffling with bullshit, please just lynch him

Lynching me will only reveal that I am town and that you are not to be trusted.

[Jake The Wolfie]

i mean pretty clearly jake is baffling with bullshit, please just lynch him

Lynching me will only reveal that I am town and that you are not to be trusted.

the way youve been playing nobody gets any flak for lynching you imo.

The way this posts comes off to me is super scummy. It's setting up a possibility for one scumbuddy to give another scumbuddy a pass for a bad lynch.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Do I think there is a world where the entire scumteam is somehow Jake/Nero/Quick/TSE? no, I really doubt it. But I do think at least one of these townies are being lazy fucks and being reaffirmed by scum to push misinformation.

who would be scum of the group here?

They're all coming off as lazy trolls atm. the TSE slot is explicitly TR'd by vecna's actions.

the other 3 could be town or scum but theres not much to push an actual scum case there.

if anything I've seen nc and quick be called obv town and jake is getting somewhat pushed.

i made a jake case earlier and jake is hiding under the threat of a modkill to avoid actually answering me, he's being way too vague and trying to use good faith of townies not to get him modkilled as a reason not to engage

we can go further down the list if jake decides to project town or flips

I'd be happy to answer every question you have when it inevitibly proves me as town, either by reason or by sword.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Spoiler: Unneeded Quote Extract

Do I think there is a world where the entire scumteam is somehow Jake/Nero/Quick/TSE? no, I really doubt it. But I do think at least one of these townies are being lazy fucks and being reaffirmed by scum to push misinformation.

who would be scum of the group here?

They're all coming off as lazy trolls atm. the TSE slot is explicitly TR'd by vecna's actions.

the other 3 could be town or scum but theres not much to push an actual scum case there.

if anything I've seen nc and quick be called obv town and jake is getting somewhat pushed.

i made a jake case earlier and jake is hiding under the threat of a modkill to avoid actually answering me, he's being way too vague and trying to use good faith of townies not to get him modkilled as a reason not to engage

we can go further down the list if jake decides to project town or flips

I'd be happy to answer every question you have when it inevitibly proves me as town, either by reason or by sword.

i mean you can go ahead and try and explain your play for this entire dayphase as a start. like the actual more explicit reason why you voted voted, what you were trying to accomplish etc.

I did not have a plan. There is way too much going on that I am not seeing to have a plan.

[Jake The Wolfie]

The way this posts comes off to me is super scummy. It's setting up a possibility for one scumbuddy to give another scumbuddy a pass for a bad lynch.

I don't really agree with this. Like yes its kinda scummy but I don't think its any kind of "setup". I just think he's just "telling the truth". Its a null worthless post.

i mean pretty clearly jake is baffling with bullshit, please just lynch him

VOTE: jake

Yeah I dont mind this.

As you see, I have a personal gain from showing TChill as scummy, and not to be trusted.

[Jake The Wolfie]

meh, someone else can take the fight for now

its a team game and if more townies aren't willing to aggressively engage in this and instead to choose to sit idly by then this game is lost anyways

we have some good people in thread right now, but we really need this to be a 20 player game and have more people push the envelope, otherwise the people who actually exist in thread now are just going to move on and stop playing

Be happy that I broke my vow of:

Lowkey waiting for D3 when there's not may people left.

[Jake The Wolfie]

meh, someone else can take the fight for now

its a team game and if more townies aren't willing to aggressively engage in this and instead to choose to sit idly by then this game is lost anyways

we have some good people in thread right now, but we really need this to be a 20 player game and have more people push the envelope, otherwise the people who actually exist in thread now are just going to move on and stop playing

Also I await for more questions.

[Jake The Wolfie]

@jake

whats your ari stance?

Whats your mastina stance?

your Mislynch stance?

who should be the 3 top lynches today?

None

None

None

One of the very low-posters. NGL I haven't been paying much attention to the game so I don't have an informed opinion on this.

[Jake The Wolfie]

@jake

whats your ari stance?

Whats your mastina stance?

your Mislynch stance?

who should be the 3 top lynches today?

None

None

None

One of the very low-posters. NGL I haven't been paying much attention to the game so I don't have an informed opinion on this.

I sorta feel this is just too lazy to be Scum at this point..

If I don't allow TSTBS on others, I sure as hell won't allow it on me.

[Jake The Wolfie]

One of the very low-posters. NGL I haven't been paying much attention to the game so I don't have an informed opinion on this.

I thought you just said I should be scum?

I said if I proved you to be scummy or not-trustworthy.

[Jake The Wolfie]

My thing is, does scum Jake and/or his team go "hey u know what is a good idea? let's contradict Voted!" that seems like a p good way to get him lynched and I kinda feel like scum wouldn't do that.

ofc the flipside of the argument is that the scumteam goes "oh hey Jake is on our team, let's play up his viness!"

So maybe it's just all WIFOM?

Alternatively, I am exactly the infected and thus would want to be lynched as an expendable.

[Jake The Wolfie]

well that kinda goes with the playing up your viness. Getting you to be openly scummy and use u as a meat shield inst horrible.


Should I be voting u here?

No, you shouldn't be.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I will just not be on the Jake wagon so Cop can investigate me.

Aight GodFather.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Up to my last post, this is current...

dave, Jake, Tchill
Gobble, Oka, Auro, Alchemist
TSE, mastina, Ari, Voted, Nero
Hactoc, FL
Nhadia
A50
Saudade, Creature
5G

What exactly is this?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Up to my last post, this is current...

dave, Jake, Tchill
Gobble, Oka, Auro, Alchemist
TSE, mastina, Ari, Voted, Nero
Hactoc, FL
Nhadia
A50
Saudade, Creature
5G

What exactly is this?

Roughly, a reads list.

Like, is 5G your locktown?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Up to my last post, this is current...

dave, Jake, Tchill
Gobble, Oka, Auro, Alchemist
TSE, mastina, Ari, Voted, Nero
Hactoc, FL
Nhadia
A50
Saudade, Creature
5G

What exactly is this?

Roughly, a reads list.

Like, is 5G your locktown?

Turn that frown upside down.

):

[Jake The Wolfie]

Spoiler: Unneeded Quote Extract

Up to my last post, this is current...

dave, Jake, Tchill
Gobble, Oka, Auro, Alchemist
TSE, mastina, Ari, Voted, Nero
Hactoc, FL
Nhadia
A50
Saudade, Creature
5G

What exactly is this?

Roughly, a reads list.

Like, is 5G your locktown?

Turn that frown upside down.

):

I apologize for TRing you.

You TR me, but you alos said you wanted to vote me..

Cool story sis

[Jake The Wolfie]

I never said that they definitely didn't, I said that thr mod's response to my specific question was No Comment, and while it does generalize to "Do infected know they are infected", it was asked in such a way that when I asked the mod if I could share it they said no.

[Jake The Wolfie]

bc this game feels like we're just spinning our wheels doing nothing.

Why do you think this?

town isn't really working together, theyre just bickering about mechanical stuff which has no bearing on actual scumhunting. wagons aren't coalescing, pressure is nonexistent.

{OkaPoka}
{Alchemist, Ari}
{davesaz}
{TSE, A50}
{Auro, Creature, Hoctac, gobbledygook, Voted}
{Tchill, Jake, Flavor Leaf}
{mastina}
{Nero, 5G}
{Quick, Saudade}


not sure what i think of the Jake thing. feels overblown tbh, though oka's progression on it reads town to me.

also @Jake, i dont actually think it's against the rules to word-for-word your own message to a mod. as long as you're not like, PROVING you actually sent that message by actually quoting the PM or whatnot. you could say for example "I asked the mod 'blah blah blah blah blah blah blah' and then they answered (paraphrased answer)". maybe im wrong about that but like, you could always lie about the way you worded the question so i dont think it breaks a rule.

The fact that I already game their exact answer means that I can't give the exact question.

[Jake The Wolfie]

The more I think about this, the more I find it silly that you are attacking an answer the mod gave me rather than finding another angle to dig at. It almost feels like not only you think that I purposefully lied, but that at any second I'll reveal the rest of my hand and say "Yeah, you got me."

[Jake The Wolfie]

This seems like an incredibly stupid thing for me to defend tbh. Can we just act like I just said "I lied, I didn't actually ask the mod anything" and move on, or is there some merit to this discussion?

[Jake The Wolfie]

This seems like an incredibly stupid thing for me to defend tbh. Can we just act like I just said "I lied, I didn't actually ask the mod anything" and move on, or is there some merit to this discussion?

It's too late. A mob has formed...[/quote

A mob will form on anything.

Hell, remove everything in the universe, and a mob will still form over *something*

[Jake The Wolfie]

Jake you forget that you took initiative in pushing voted for his question to the mod. It is you who found a contradiction and pushed it, not him. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

In a world where I didn't lie, my actions are completely justified. I saw a contradiction and I announced it.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Yeah except now you are saying its not a contradiction? Or are you maintaining that Voted is a liar?

It isn't a contradiction because we didn't ask the same damn question.

It's like saying that 1+1=10 is both wrong and right without asking what base we're in.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Yeah except now you are saying its not a contradiction? Or are you maintaining that Voted is a liar?

It isn't a contradiction because we didn't ask the same damn question.

It's like saying that 1+1=10 is both wrong and right without asking what base we're in.

Except you voted vote and called him out saying Bullshit. Is it not hard to understand that to everyone else, it looks like you two are in contradiction? Like please, I just want to know what's up with you. Has your opinion on Voted changed?

My vote hasn't changed because I don't care right now.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Jake, could you ask the mod "Do infected people know they've been infected?" and report back to us?

I see no reason to. Either I find that all the people saying yes are right, or I find that they were wrong and I get called a liar even after I townflip. All I'd be doing is wasting time.

[Jake The Wolfie]

reserved - never

[Jake The Wolfie]

But that's twice you've dodged my question and tried to answer a question with a question.

Oooh, thrice. Still have yet to see engagement with the actual question.

Are you saying here that 3708 wasn't an answer? The 2nd sentence looks like a pedit.
If it wasn't the answer then what's the question?

I've repeatedly given him chances to change his vote and he hasn't, its a shitty response but whatever. I don't like it, maybe he's being honest but if we set the bar that low where we can forgive play of I don't care enough to scumhunt when he's criticizing us for not scumhunting, then fuck it, good luck.

I'm in a catch 22. Either I change my vote and get called scum for bending to the will of pressure, or I don't and get called scum for not bending.

In either case, I don't care that you scream and demand that people scumread me, and if they don't you'll scream even more.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Jake you forget that you took initiative in pushing voted for his question to the mod. It is you who found a contradiction and pushed it, not him. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

In a world where I didn't lie, my actions are completely justified. I

saw

a contradiction and I announced it.

yes, he saw a contradiction. I want him to explain how he saw it as a contradiction before and why it isn't a contradiction now. Why he was dodging Hectic's questions.

It's not a contradiction because we asked two different questions and I assumed we asked the same general question when in reality wording matters.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Spoiler: Sometimes you gotta add some bibbidy bobbidy boo

But that's twice you've dodged my question and tried to answer a question with a question.

Oooh, thrice. Still have yet to see engagement with the actual question.

Are you saying here that 3708 wasn't an answer? The 2nd sentence looks like a pedit.
If it wasn't the answer then what's the question?

I've repeatedly given him chances to change his vote and he hasn't, its a shitty response but whatever. I don't like it, maybe he's being honest but if we set the bar that low where we can forgive play of I don't care enough to scumhunt when he's criticizing us for not scumhunting, then fuck it, good luck.

I'm in a catch 22. Either I change my vote and get called scum for bending to the will of pressure, or I don't and get called scum for not bending.

In either case, I don't care that you scream and demand that people scumread me, and if they don't you'll scream even more.

Missing the forest for the trees. Your vote on Voted is not why I scumread you, its an example of the mentality I perceive as negative town equity so even if you are town, its a +ev for town situation.

It may not be THE reason, but it's a reason. I'm cutting the forest down one tree at a time.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Spoiler: Add some supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

Jake you forget that you took initiative in pushing voted for his question to the mod. It is you who found a contradiction and pushed it, not him. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

In a world where I didn't lie, my actions are completely justified. I

saw

a contradiction and I announced it.

yes, he saw a contradiction. I want him to explain how he saw it as a contradiction before and why it isn't a contradiction now. Why he was dodging Hectic's questions.

It's not a contradiction because we asked two different questions and I assumed we asked the same general question when in reality wording matters.

okay, can you ask the mod what you can reveal about your original question? Like the thing is, lynching you is not a loss for town until you can project towniness, and the only way you can project towniness right now is explaining how the contradiction happened. I'm willing to concede that maybe I'm tunnelled onto something that will clear you if you could explain, so if you are scared then get mod to give you the greenlight to explain what you can explain.

I asked the mod how much I could reveal and they said I couldn't say exact wording, but I could generalize it to "Do infencted know they are Infected?"

[Jake The Wolfie]

hey so i just asked the mod somethin

my question was: hypothetically if i asked a mechanics related question could i then go into the thread and say "this is what i wrote to the mod, word-for-word. this was their response." ?

the response i got was that copying is generally okay in that context.

Notice the "generally okay"

[Jake The Wolfie]

Sometimes shortening your posts by spoilering huge quotes is a good idea.

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: quick

flavor leaf, lets team up

Stop pocket

Offbrand hotpocket be like

[Jake The Wolfie]

I will continue to push that Jake/Quick needs to go today, but if we don't see contribution from the lurkslots soon then the pool will open up. Something has happened and we can play now. Fresh start.

Does that mean we'll finally shut up about me and Voted?

Cool.

UNVOTE:

[Jake The Wolfie]

Jake-Oka-Flavor

Officially the new cool kids town block.

I"m the hottest cool kid.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Nahdia is very much active lurking

to be clear, my approach to mafia right now is that i read throughout the day as available and then set aside a window of time in the evening to reread and post. makes me enjoy the game more/feel less stressed out.

That's what we in the buisness call

LURKING

[Jake The Wolfie]

Damn it, A50’s scum.

If I was; you would have been infected already and you know it. And then I would have asked you if you received my gift to you and when you confirm I would have claimed Loyal Fruit Vendor and confirmed you as Town.

Loyal Froot Vendoor to the MAIFIA

[Jake The Wolfie]

reserve the cool kids town block for not only people you townread, but people who are efforting as well. jake isn't there and he is antialigned with quick so its unresolved for now, but there is room for him

Why do you think they're opposite alignments?

For me, it boils down to the Jake choosing to say the spoil comment.

I guess they both could be town, but I never see that as a Scum/Scum comment.

..What?

[Jake The Wolfie]

reserve the cool kids town block for not only people you townread, but people who are efforting as well. jake isn't there and he is antialigned with quick so its unresolved for now, but there is room for him

Why do you think they're opposite alignments?

For me, it boils down to the Jake choosing to say the spoil comment.

I guess they both could be town, but I never see that as a Scum/Scum comment.

..What?

FlavaLeafy, explain this hot shit to me.

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: Jake

I've thought he was scum pretty much from the beginning, first for not trying to scumhunt at all which has been pretty high accuracy for me, and now also for the reasons inside the spoiler. I don't think it's too low information at this point to make it worthless.

It's hard to scumhunt when people are schumhunting you, but w/e

[Jake The Wolfie]

Do the most.

this man is a gem in the river of garbage. A flavor in an autumn pile of leaves.

Quit giving handjobs to your best friend.

he's top 3 in reasons I enjoy mafia and he's taught me a lot of what ik.

my body my choice.

the reasons he's actually giving make decent sense. and I'll happily follow FL 2 or 3 days if he's making sense to me.

Alalalalalala not listening

[Jake The Wolfie]

i really think the whole jake push is shit but i didnt know what else to do given the game state and me not being able to get any pressure on my SR with content.

Im not changing my dave stance that he's town. As for cult like mechanics this is my 1st game with them.

I could see where this maybe a case of 1 scum active posting to control the game and the other 2 lurking hardcore.

So you SR me because everyone else is?

If you don't, why not push your SR?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Jake, Nadhia says you're allowed to copy paste the mod's response to the thread. Let's see it!!£$"

The mod's response was "No comment" exactly.

[Jake The Wolfie]

hoctac, why didn't i get a mango last night?

Because surprise 'rona

[Jake The Wolfie]

Which actually means Scum have pretty much zero safe claims given there are sufficient PRs in the game.

Unless Scum are PRs

[Jake The Wolfie]

I would never vote my bro Jake.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Which actually means Scum have pretty much zero safe claims given there are sufficient PRs in the game.

Unless Scum are PRs

Then that would mean the PRs are actually neutral and not Scum rolls. Hmmm... Might have to rethink my Arsonist/Cult Leader/GF thing...

I could totally see a scum role being a vanilla cop, a "mason", etc. Especially in a bastard game like this one.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Jake, you have some breathing room now, take some time and scumhunt.

Can I do it when I'm not tired?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Also in reading up thus far I see what looks an awful lot like SvSvS interactions so I have a pseudo-solve in my head atm. I need to delve into said players before I can be sure but every time they start to wiggle out of it one of them hammers it home again and it's just too much to ignore atm

Just make sure not to let any Aristocrat mess you up with their Aristocrap.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I am very excited to si an Ari solve

Someone explain what si is, because I am clueless on that...

yes

[Jake The Wolfie]

A full solve post incoming in a few hours! Time to power-town. :3

How long until you may unleash the glory of your solving power?

[Jake The Wolfie]

I presented an argument why infected outting themselves actually helps their wincondition. Also I am not a curer I promise and town don't lie, so infected should just go ahead and claim.

What if the cure actually kills them x% of the time and they know it, so dying wouldn't actually help them?

[Jake The Wolfie]

If death is needed for progress than so be it

Death is needed for easy progress.

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: Quick

[Jake The Wolfie]

@Quick can you please for the love of god put Town/Scum indicators somewhere on your readlists because holy hell am I having a hard time reading it otherwise, which makes them basically useless for me.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Update: I've read Oka's recommendation and I checked my own slot's ISO to figure out why I was voting for mastina.

Unfortunately, my slot was dumb and its reads make no sense.

Jake wagon makes a LOT of sense, although I kind of agree with what others have said about it being a pretty disappointing reason to flip a slot.

VOTE: Jake

As far as I can tell, Jake was pretty plainly lying about a verifiable game mechanic - which might be forgivable if it weren't for the fact that

he also lied about having verified the verifiable game mechanic.

That's so cut and dry that I feel like anyone voting for someone other than Jake not only needs to explain why the person they're voting for is scummy, but also how on earth they could be scummier than Jake.

With that in mind: Why is Quick scummier than Jake?

That is patently false. I never affirmed that I lied about it.
I didn't lie about the answer I got either. We all find it very scummy that you bring up the irrelevant as if it's some sort of "gotcha".

[Jake The Wolfie]

hmm? that's interesting

Yeah, I saw that pretty much all (or a lot) of my strongest SRs are voting for Jake. I'm in no position to lead anything so I am just going to sheep there because they are probably my betters.

So you are trusting people you find scummy?

10000 IQ plays

[Jake The Wolfie]

hmm? that's interesting

Yeah, I saw that pretty much all (or a lot) of my strongest

SRs

TRs

are voting for Jake. I'm in no position to lead anything so I am just going to sheep there because they are probably my betters.

Nevermind

[Jake The Wolfie]

Spoiler: Aaaaaa

I disagree immensely that we should only be focusing on Jake/Quick but with 5 days till deadline I doubt anyone gets lynched but them. I think my criticism of the Jake wagon is valid here. Still don't really think that a scum Jake who knew that infected know they are infected sorta CC's voted there. It would have to be VERY VERY poor scum play if it was. I mean, it's not really impossible since scum I could see a newb scum go "hey, I'm going to throw some doubt on Voted and get him lynched!" If he's town though he'll make an ez hedge 4 scum and eat our night actions so he makes for a decent d2 lynch. Consider my vote on Jake is sprit and I'll move there when I have to.

It really has nothing to do with that FMPOV. I would just gather that Jake was telling the truth about what the mod told him but him being Scum tainted the question he asked. That is if he is Scum here, but YMMV.

I don't know why this needs to be stated but I will state it anyway...

The Mod Should Never Tailor An Answer Based On Alignment!

I don't care what you think here, you're fucking making a ridiculous conjecture that I would call horrendous modding practices, and I have faith that is not the case! Literally mod-influences the game if this is the case! And IIRC we have been told that mod provided information will not be fallacious, therefore unless Jake buggered the question to no end, there is no fucling reason he got a different answer here! He has not re-asked it or reworded it (or at least not stated so publicly). He has not made any effort to right this. He merely LIED!

Maybe be misread the answer or misasked the question. Then he should goddamned say so! He is being so cagey about the whole damned thing it has gotten ridiculous and almost memetic! If he was given a different answer based on alignment I swear to god Imma be so flustered!

So Quick, how about you come back to reality and think this shit through before talking squarely out of your ass? Okay?
Okay.

I didn't lie, as seen by my constant defense of it.

Why would I put myself through all of this madness just to hold up a lie, as any allignment? This has frankly been taxing on my mental heath and I'd much appreciate it if you shut the hell up about it.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Maybe be misread the answer or misasked the question.

And this can apply to information within scum PT as well, no? What's the reason for not clarifying on how he phrased the question or going into the reasons why he could've gotten that specific answer?
Do you think a mod wouldn't allow a player to explore that, and ban it?

Yes, it is on Jake. I don't think it's a Mod fault either.

Auro, why the fuck would I ask the Mod a stupid question that I know the answer to? Do you honestly believe that I am so fucking stupid that I'm not going to trust when a majority of the people say the answer is yes? That is a personal attack on me.

[Jake The Wolfie]

>Knows something from scum PT, or had asked something similar but a little different earlier
>Says it's "no comment" before the majority of people come in to say Jake's wrong
>Refuses to clarify on what he actually asked, because this was a slip

What else would you do when a majority of people said yes after you'd already blurted out that it was "no comment"? Wouldn't say you're stupid, just that you should've asked the mod "if town asked this what answer would they get" to be sure I don't think it's particularly stupid not to.

Auro, if I knew the answer to "Do infected know they are infected", then why the hell would I lie??? It is only detrimental to both me and my mental heath. This has stressed me the fuck out because I don't want to flip (because like hell am I ever going to trust the timeless "wisdom" of the town) but people are calling me a blatant fucking liar.

Auro, I was mistaken at first. I am not mistaken now. I asked a completely different question that was only tenatively related to V's. I retracted after hearing the actual question and while I still defended mine, I didn't continue claiming that they were lying about the answer. Pull your head out of your fucking ass.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I'm not saying you lied when you said "no comment" - I do think you believed that to be true.

Why would I delibritely miscommunicate as scum who cpuld have been fact checked within minutes.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Hmm. Who do you think is the best vote apart from Quick?

No Lynch.

[Jake The Wolfie]

You believed it was true, and hence it wasn't a deliberate miscommunication.

No, that would be false. If I was scum, wouldn't I know or at least think to ask before challenging V?

[Jake The Wolfie]

I mean

Do you think people shouldn't be compelled to take a public stance on Jake?

The only stance you should take on me is that I am shite

[Jake The Wolfie]

I mean

Do you think people shouldn't be compelled to take a public stance on Jake?

I don't like the post, because you vote Jake because of his suboptimal behavior, rather than scummy behavior/ intentions.

This reeks of "Jake is no longer a person. Jake is now a Policy Lynch."

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: JakeTheWolfie

Fuck this game. I'm not escaping a lynch here, and I've grown to hate this game. I'm essentially a VT.

[Jake The Wolfie]

like give us everything please

everything

I'm a VT.

What else is there to dump?

[Jake The Wolfie]

what did you ask the mod?

I'm not becoming a Neutral survivor just so a shitty town can profit off of it. Fuck you.

[Jake The Wolfie]

what do you mean by essentially a vt/vt? clarification?

You deserve no clarification. You pushed me for what I can see as shit reasons that could easily be applied to anyone.

[Jake The Wolfie]

you wont be modkilled if you paraphrase

and you haven't exactly efforted at all this game, you at least owe it to the rest of the playerlist who have tried to play this game to actually play to your wincondition and not just eod troll here

nobody will blame you if you tried and get lynched, but you are definitely to blame if you refuse to even cooperate

Literally the best fucking paraphrase I can give you is literally "Do infected know they are infected?"

What part of your tiny head can't understand that?

[Jake The Wolfie]

lets just get a flip on jake so i can see whether he's scum or just too petty to play

I'm fine with a Jake flip but I'd prefer a Quick flip.

Jake can still redeem himself if we give him a chance! And if we think he was the infected one,as I have seen floating around, then lynching him over a likely groupscum member is counterproductive really.

The entire push on me is because I'm apparently the infected.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Jake, I'm behind, but talk to me.

What are your reads looking like? If we strip the thread of the agitating line of questioning, what do you think of those who are voting you? What about the Quick votes?
Like,Quick has said he thinks you are both towny, yet voted you. What do you make of it?
Doyou think you are a counterwagon to groupscum or that both wagons are on town today?

If you do get got today, at least give me this before you implode.

I have no reads
The people voting me are complete and utter failures at mafia.
I don't care
Self-preservation.
I don't care. I want out of this game without fucking over whoever replaces i to my slot.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Literally the best fucking paraphrase I can give you is literally "Do infected know they are infected?"

then u should have gotten a yes for this. I really have no clue whats going on.

And I would have if that was the queation I asked. But like it's been said time and time again, that is not exact fucking wording. You are being intentionally obtuse.

[Jake The Wolfie]

then its not the best paraphrase wtf? there has to be a middleground where you capture the nuance of the question better

I asked the mod what the best possible paraphrase was, and that is literally what they gave me. Stop blaming me, and start blaming the mod.

[Jake The Wolfie]

It's clear to me that some people are never going to give it up.

My prediction is that the question was along the lines of (underlined part is a pure guess) "do infected know they are infected

and who the mafia are

". And the no comment came from the added on part (whatever it was), and he was told not to reveal the extra part of the question. The extra part, whatever it is, should be viewed as NAI, and so should the mod's answer.

I'd lynch him anyway for the not-scumhunting part.

That was not my question, not even close.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Oka, seriously.

I want the answer as much as you do. It's been like 50 oages ofthis or something stupid like that. If we were going to get an answer or a rephrase or a paraphrase or anything of the sort from Jake we would have gotten it by now.

You are driving him out of the thread and continuing an endless cycle of frustration which is simply unhelpful.

Please, once he answers , just drop it. Regardless of the answer. Please?
Like he could literally tell me he asked whether The Rock is igneous or metamorphic and got that answer and I wouldn't give 2 shits at this point.
It's old. It'd stale. It's bad for the gamestate. It's bad for Jake's slot. It's bad for Jake's mental health.

DROP IT.

No, please, torture me more. I might even call you insane for asking the same quesrion over and over and over ad infinitum and expecting different results where different results aren't possible.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Jake, do you have anything to sayabout this question?

I have no reads
The people voting me are complete and utter failures at mafia.
I don't care

Jake, I get this. I understand the frustration and the sentiment.

But of those who have been pushing this idea that you are lying or are purposely obfuscating things, which do you think have scummy intentions? Which make the least sense?

Answer hazy. Ask again later.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Jake, do you have anything to sayabout this question?

I have no reads
The people voting me are complete and utter failures at mafia.
I don't care

Jake, I get this. I understand the frustration and the sentiment.

But of those who have been pushing this idea that you are lying or are purposely obfuscating things, which do you think have scummy intentions? Which make the least sense?

Answer hazy. Ask again later.

Okay.

I've tried to ask a few things, I hope you can answer them later.

I've hopefully cleared some space in this thread for you to work with some breathing room if you so desire. I'd love to see you do something with it!

I can't think of anything else to ask without ending up being prying at this point, but I hope all is well.

I have lost all willpower to play this game. Expect nothing from me.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Why do ppl refuse to talk about Nahdia? Talking about Jake ad nausem is getting us nowhere and just gives scum a safe place to hind.

Because scum control the votes, but I am without my willpower glasses so I just see red and green flashes.

[Jake The Wolfie]

@mod

Is it gamethrowing to announce yourself as infected to get cured?

[Jake The Wolfie]

@mod

Is it gamethrowing to announce yourself as infected to get cured?

I've asked the mod a similar question. Do you want my answer or nah?

I think the answer you got was no, but go ahead.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Y’all are clogging my airwaves

But you're clogging up our airwaves.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I think 50 Judge is up there too.

Up where?

Up in the range of townreads?

That's like, the middle of the post, I thought context would make it pretty clear

Why? How on earth did you strain a TR out of A50?

I mean, look at that slot. Does scum ever play like this?

Yes

[Jake The Wolfie]

I think 50 Judge is up there too.

Up where?

Up in the range of townreads?

That's like, the middle of the post, I thought context would make it pretty clear

Why? How on earth did you strain a TR out of A50?

I mean, look at that slot. Does scum ever play like this?

Yes

Oooo a read!

So Jake, 50JP is a scumread? To what extent

To the extent that TSTBS is bullshit.

[Jake The Wolfie]

To the extent that TSTBS is bullshit.

But is 50JP playing a scummy game? I don't think so necessarily

Jame what makes him look scummy to you? I just see someone goofing around a bit too much maybe.

50Japan hasn't posted much substancd.

[Jake The Wolfie]

UNVOTE:

[Jake The Wolfie]

Why did you unvote, Jake?

I was voting myself.

VOTE: Jake

VOTE: Jake

Time to Sheep Auro!
VOTE: Jake

And both of these look horrendus in light of me unvoting myself.

[Jake The Wolfie]

UNVOTE:

Jake! I understand if you're feeling a bit stressed from the pushes. Work with me. Who do you think was scum setting that agenda and manipulating people?

It was in light of your ignoring this.

Bullshit it was. Because it it was, you would have said so. You don't get to retroactively assign meaning to your naked vote, especially when it makes you look suspicious.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Ragu top

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: Quick

Time for self-pres

[Jake The Wolfie]

What if the Recovery in SIR meant instantaneous death?

[Jake The Wolfie]

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[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: TrueSoulEnergy

[Jake The Wolfie]

FoS Aristophanes, Blair, JaketheWolfie, Hoctac.

Town Alchemist, Quick, Auto, OkaPoka, mastina

This is some high quality, top tier OMGUS.

I'm voting you for self-preservation.

[Jake The Wolfie]

FoS Aristophanes, Blair, JaketheWolfie, Hoctac.

Town Alchemist, Quick, Auto, OkaPoka, mastina

This is some high quality, top tier OMGUS.

I'm voting you for self-preservation.

In what way is this OMGUS?

Everyone he FoS'd is voting him.

[Jake The Wolfie]

@mod

Could infected give a boost to mafia if they are lynched?

Answered via PM.
~Covid 19

[Jake The Wolfie]

@mod

Could infected give a boost to mafia if they are lynched?

Fishing to see if you can get assistance as scum? I don’t think so VOTE: A Wolfie in Sheep’s Clothing

C'mon now, don't insult my intelligence. Do you honestly believe that was a scumslip, when I've already stated at least once before that I have the ability to privately ask the mod questions?

[Jake The Wolfie]

I've already stated at least once before that I have the ability to privately ask the mod questions?

Now that's a new one. Does it say so explicitly in your "original" Role PM??

It doesn't explicitly say so in my only role PM, no.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Mastina prob

IS

infected. That whole "your going out of your way to scumread me and get me scum read" is just so whiney. She'd also make a ton of sense to be infected n1. Sorry, FL.

Sure, go ahead and believe that if you want in spite of me having laid out exactly what I would do when infected. Makes perfect sense for me to have not changed at all between D1 and D2 in spite of the alignment change and me having explicitly told you precisely what I'd do if I were infected.

You are just saying words related to what you'd do if you were infected. We have nobway of knowing whether you're lying as infected/scum, telling the truth as town, or something else as a 3rd party

[Jake The Wolfie]

Mastina prob

IS

infected. That whole "your going out of your way to scumread me and get me scum read" is just so whiney.


She'd also make a ton of sense to be infected n1. Sorry, FL.

I feel this is what I said.

I’m Never Night 1 infected here.

I would infect you.

[Jake The Wolfie]

...are jesters possible in this game?

Infected pretty much ARE jesters. They advance the scum wincon by being lynched, because it keeps the original scum alive allowing them to infect more players, AND it prevents the town from curing infected players (which we are assuming is a mechanic because there's probably a logical reason why scum can kill infected players, i.e., a mechanic where the infected wouldn't necessarily stay infected).

So, if you see jestery play--that would be the obvious answer. As either Infected or scum-faking-being-Infected. (Notably, this is my opinion of Jake. I don't think Jake is town here right now; he's either Infected or he's scum that wants us to think he's infected. Without a way of clearly differentiating between the two, he's a fairly safe lynch. The chance of lynching scum makes the lynch worth it even if he does end up just being Infected and there's little drawback to it. If he is Infected, obviously, a scum lynch would be better, but if he's scum faking being Infected, lynching him > lynching town and just about any other lynch would be on town.)

Well lynching me is wrong 100% of the time because, and you fuckers better not twist my god damn words, my starting role PM was Town-Aligned.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Also VOTE: Hoctac for self-pres

[Jake The Wolfie]

I get different feelings about Jake’s AtE than I do ETL’s AtE. Mainly because ETL committed to it and Jake backed off after a bit given how people reacted to it. I don’t want to vote there because I don’t want him to hate the site and leave. :c

Forum of

Lies

[Jake The Wolfie]

time to take off your pants

do a little dance

tho dont get baked

vote for jake

Who is this Jaked fellow?

[Jake The Wolfie]

You guys are going to force my hand into lynching the guy I believe was infected, aren't you? *Sigh*

VOTE: Jake

At least the "Medic" stays put tonight in case scum have a Watcher.

Still not infected.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Day 2 VC #36

Blair (0):
Auro (0):

Hoctac (6): Quick (4830), Alchemist21 (4832), davesaz (4835), Tchill13 (4842), Flavor Leaf (4865), Jake the Wolfie (4996)

5G Tower (2): gobbledygook (4537), Almost50 (4889)
Jake the Wolfie (5): OkaPoka (4072), Auro (4541), TrueSoulEnergy (4793), 5G Tower (4817), mastina (4976)
Aristophanes (0):
Quick (1): pisskop (2924)
TrueSoulEnergy (2): Blair (4543), Hoctac (4624)
Voted (0):
Alchemist21 (0):
Nahdia (1): Nero Cain (3667),
Flavor Leaf (0):
davesaz (0):
mastina (0):
OkaPoka (0):
Tchill13 (0):
pisskop (2): Voted (3393), Nahdia (5014)
No Lynch (0):
Not Voting (1): Aristophanes (5003)

With 20 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch a player.

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@everyone on either my or Hoctac's wagons

If you had to vote someone other than Myself or Hoctac, who would it be and why?

Personally I would vote TSE. They haven't been vibing in a way that town should.

[Jake The Wolfie]

(The inclusion of Quick is there, 1: as a reminder to the remnants of that wagon why I won't vote for him not even at deadline, and 2: because it is pertinent to the Tchill-is-town reasoning because many of the reasons I have for Quick being town are also reasons I have for Tchill being town thus necessitating the inclusion of Quick for the full defense of Tchill.)

I kinda really like this reasoning and it seems it would be hard to fake as Scum... But I have never seen mastina as Scum so YMMV.

What is YMMV?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Yeah.
Blair, Art, Jake and Hoctac have minimum 2 scum.

Who is art?

[Jake The Wolfie]

A d2 lynch on an infected forces scum to no kill or use up one of their two infection free night kills. This sort of begrudged vote doesn't really make sense from town, IMO.

I love your shading of everything I do.

"Presumably", Jake is infected. I also assumed that Infections resolve before kills, and thus I would also assume cure takes place before the kill as well. Leaving Jake alive means scum will either kill him AFTER he gets cured = exhausting one of their 2 kills on the uninfected (which is what you want) OR risk him being cured (and thus presumably immunized). My milkshake is still better than yours.

I would much rather be fake-cured to prove I'm not infected than to be lynched by an idiotic town who doesn't want to lynch actual scum, and instead wants to lynch disposable infected.

[Jake The Wolfie]

A d2 lynch on an infected forces scum to no kill or use up one of their two infection free night kills. This sort of begrudged vote doesn't really make sense from town, IMO.

I love your shading of everything I do.

"Presumably", Jake is infected. I also assumed that Infections resolve before kills, and thus I would also assume cure takes place before the kill as well. Leaving Jake alive means scum will either kill him AFTER he gets cured = exhausting one of their 2 kills on the uninfected (which is what you want) OR risk him being cured (and thus presumably immunized). My milkshake is still better than yours.

I would much rather be fake-cured to prove I'm not infected than to be lynched by an idiotic town who doesn't want to lynch actual scum, and instead wants to lynch disposable infected.

What do you hope to gain from lynching a supposedly infected player? All you do is waste the shot for immunity of a town player, who would then be confirmed by curing. Does that sound like a town-driven motive, to lynch infected instead of de-converting them?

Of course, I am not infected, but were I to be infected, lynching me is always a misplay 100% of the time. For starters, there's the curing argument. There is also the argument that I am unable to spew info because I *presumably* don't know the scumteam, which means I am a low-info lynch (it *could* technically help determine who did the infecting). There is also the fact that it is unknown whether Mafia benefit from lynching infected players or not. All of these reasons make it abundantly clear that my wagon is scum-driven, because no town would ever lynch a possible un-recruitable, definitely low-info, and possibly Mafia benefitting player. So please, lay out why I am starting scum exactly, or get the hell off of my wagon.

[Jake The Wolfie]

If people actually want to try and hit scum, we should be lynching TSE. His only "reads" so far have been OMGUSing everyone voting/suspecting him.

Also, all of his questions this game have been aimless and are never followed up on.

Thanks.

He has 1 vote (yours) and we have 1.5 days left. You should probably vote Jake of you want a chance at this?

Voting a non-wagon right now feels like LAMIST while Jake claiming every vote is self preservation is, uh, LAMISS?

I don't like either tbh.

Do you think town should not try and self-pres?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Honestly I've given all I care to give for this game. If I'm not lynched today, I'll try playing tommorow. I'm being lynched under the guise that I'm infected, not OG scum. Let me remind you that infected are 100% disposable scum, that the real scumteam don't really care about. Sure, they might try and save their infectees from dying, but ultimately they don't really care, as infected can easily be replaced. An infected lynch is essentially a traitor lynch. A lynch used on the irrelevant. A lynch used to waste time, to make the town more confident when really they killed one of their own.

Look for people trying to lynch infected. They are here to waste the town's time on the irrelevant, to appear town without having to actually bus their partners.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Honestly I've given all I care to give for this game. If I'm not lynched today, I'll try playing tommorow. I'm being lynched under the guise that I'm infected, not OG scum. Let me remind you that infected are 100% disposable scum, that the real scumteam don't really care about. Sure, they might try and save their infectees from dying, but ultimately they don't really care, as infected can easily be replaced. An infected lynch is essentially a traitor lynch. A lynch used on the irrelevant. A lynch used to waste time, to make the town more confident when really they killed one of their own.

Look for people trying to lynch infected. They are here to waste the town's time on the irrelevant, to appear town without having to actually bus their partners.

Could you name names? For science?

I don't care
.

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: JakeTheWolfie

Hammer

[Jake The Wolfie]

This was a great Jester game tbh. I had lots of fun trolling everyone I talked to.

[Jake The Wolfie]

literally not but ok

I know I hammered myself. I can count, unlike other people here.

[Jake The Wolfie]

like what are you even doing dude its not even twilight

It is twilight.

[Jake The Wolfie]

So you're claiming infected?

What is your mind not getting? I'm a jester. I self-hammered and am now celebrating.

[Jake The Wolfie]

better see some jake votes, just hammer

Idrc, I'm just waiting for the mod to come in and end the day.

[Jake The Wolfie]

L-2

Are you on drugs?

L-0

[Jake The Wolfie]

So you're claiming infected?

What is your mind not getting? I'm a jester. I self-hammered and am now celebrating.

Well, there was some discussion that infected would play like Jesters since their lynch is preferable to a scum lynch

Jesters also play like Jester too

[Jake The Wolfie]

So you're claiming infected?

What is your mind not getting? I'm a jester. I self-hammered and am now celebrating.

Well, there was some discussion that infected would play like Jesters since their lynch is preferable to a scum lynch

Jesters also play like Jester too

Disagree

By definition, Jesters have to play like Jesters because any play made by a Jester is a Jester play.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I was half hoping Quick would have voted you there

Unvote yourself. I was lurking waiting to hammer if someone put you to L-1

I can't believe how many people lack the ability to count

[Jake The Wolfie]

holy shit please just vote jaek

Who's Jæk?

[Jake The Wolfie]

it is decided just lynch jake can we please please please please please please

I am already lynched.