Why Gun?? - Town Win

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Let’s all VOTE: iconeum for an

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D1 guillotine!

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HURT: datisi

Boom sucka

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Hey datisi

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Wanna make a bet?

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Sure, exactly that kind

Here’s how it goes:

I will 100% be spaffing my shot as soon as it becomes allowed. If you can guess who it will be on, you can choose who I try to shoot tomorrow

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In the meantime, we get to find out whether I can remember how to play this game

VOTE: Menalque

No, that’s not how, silly jjh!

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[vote]iconeum[/vote]

^^ this is how

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but it's gonna be me, ain't it, lock that in now

You have until the end of the 12 hour period to finalise your guess

Also I would never cheat even as scum

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Alisae and I talked a bit before the game started and surely we mass-shoot one person instead of mass shooting randomly, yes?

~keiji

Yeaaaaaaah I’m not doing this lol

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Mine

As I have stated many times, this is cheating and I hereby declare your pagetop invalid

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VOTE: triplehaven

Srs vote

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Eh actually I retract that

VOTE: iconeum

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All votes are serious

They’re really not

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VOTE: triplehaven

Srs vote

lul

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Beeboy will edit it into his unlawful pagetop post

Generally you can check his ISO to find the most recent one

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A vote is 12.5% of an execute rn, more when people start dying

I think that's pretty serious

This is like... entirely divorced from the point

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My vote was serious. AMA.

Okay
Why?

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What?

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jjh's point is so weird and idk why this matters for solving at all lmao

Yeah I kind of agree but think he’s probably memeing based on the “divorce is usually p serious too” post

Why did you lul about my srs vote on you?

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Fuck

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What?

Watch and wait.

Hmm interesting, VOTE: bell

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I’ll level with u jjh, I don’t even get that reference

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jjh's point is so weird and idk why this matters for solving at all lmao

Yeah I kind of agree but think he’s probably memeing based on the “divorce is usually p serious too” post

Why did you lul about my srs vote on you?

wait, was it actually serious?
Those type of votes just don't matter to me.

It was actually serious at the time yes, hence “srs vote”

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How’s life been treating you anyway, jjh?

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I ask because I need to pocket you but also out of genuine interest

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I'm wondering why you did that seriously, did you believe I was lurking? Because I wasn't, i just got off work like half an hour ago and the game just opened less than 2 hours ago. Is it expected on MS to always be here at SOD?

Pretty much yeah

I was skimming people online and saw you weren’t posting and thought you were a newbie. So I figured it was decent odds you were intimidated by lots of people posting after having rolled scum and that’s why I voted you. When you posted like immediately after it made me doubt that esp if you’re not actually a newbie

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Yoink

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silly bell, you can't vote for someone who isn't in this game!

Shhh datasi idk what ur saying

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Life's pretty great though. Moved down to Surrey, started working and shit about a month ago. My hiatus on mafiascum has been due to lack of internet until last week

That’s good to hear! Also you’re english !?!? I always thought you were from the states for some reason

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watch it melanque

Okay, I hate it when you do it more than I think you hate it when I do it

So like

Bell is probably just actual scum yes?

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watch it melanque

Okay, I hate it when you do it more than I think you hate it when I do it

So like

Bell is probably just actual scum yes?

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literally nobody's made a significant read while ive been itt and thats kinda icky to me

We’re pretty early for that, but also I am legit scumreading bell and I think datisi is too

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i have decided Triple is town and if anyone tries to shoot them I will shoot u in response

Making alliances based on cute avatars is illegal

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Datisi and triple are town I think

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Not sure Menalque is really anything because this setup doesn't have any roleblockers in it

I’ll just roleblock myself every time I try to shoot, it’s chill

Where is everyone else

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lol

That’s kinda cute

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Wait gimme a sec triple

Do you prefer triple or TH?

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I’ll probably call you triple then, triple

Anyway, have a skim of this

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=80974

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I’m shooting the person who I think is scum as soon as I wake up tomorrow

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You should add datisi

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You should remove keiji and sara

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You should add datisi

if this is the general consensus then I will add datisi

According to historical trends, datisi only fools me as scum once per year in non-meme games and as that’s already happened I’m predicting that I’ll be able to read her accurately for the rest of the year

KnS haven’t really done anything worth considering them town for yet

Neither has MT or umlaut really but I think they’re less concerning to accidentally have as town early on

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KnS haven’t really done anything worth considering them town for yet

tbf, if I have done something worth considering me town, then that would be concerning of its own right.

Very valid point

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You should add datisi

if this is the general consensus then I will add datisi

According to historical trends, datisi only fools me as scum once per year in non-meme games and as that’s already happened I’m predicting that I’ll be able to read her accurately for the rest of the year

KnS haven’t really done anything worth considering them town for yet

Neither has MT or umlaut really but I think they’re less concerning to accidentally have as town early on

1. you've been on here for 1 year
2. if I take your suggestions into account it's literally me, you and datisi on the no shoot list. There's a problem there obviously, because it basically leaves people to just shoot anywhere.

(1)
(2) yeah, hence why I’m okay with letting umlaut and MT be part of the cool crew

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Is there some reason you're ignoring me mena?

Is there something you wanted to say/talk about?

KnS haven’t really done anything worth considering them town for yet

tbf, if I have done something worth considering me town, then that would be concerning of its own right.

Very valid point

ok but how's that a good thing?
like part of your obligation as town is to be towny.

Anything that the Sara head has done at this point will be NAI. Honestly, you probably shouldn’t be townreading me either but I guess I’ll take it. People’s alignments will become clearer given time but at this point we’re still transitioning out of the shitposting

Generally competent + experienced scum will be capable of faking tone + reads in the early phase and the Sara head is very much both of those things. So eir sounding town doesn’t really mean much

Keiji head just always pockets me so I’m ignoring my inclinations there for now

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Just kinda think your scum my dude

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Just kinda think your scum my dude

A gut read. ew.

I mean, not exactly

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HURT: tipsy

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Datisi - town
Triplehaven
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MT
Maxwell

Keiji n Sara - townlean

Jjh -nulltown
Umlaut

Norwee - null
Isis - truenull

Bell - scumlean

Porkens - scum
Tipsy

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I dislike their takes and their whole thing seems almost lamist in iso

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Or like tryhard but not in a solvey way

Bell could still definitely be scum but I could see icon being right on just bad town

Porkens sort of depends on if he fired after the 12hr period or not

I’d probably like to guillo Porkens if my shot on tipsy goes through

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Porkens sort of depends on if he fired after the 12hr period or not

he literally fucking fired at you

I meant if it was valid as a shot

I saw it while I was skimming through

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I just disagree icon

We’ll see what they flip if my shot hits

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VOTE: tipsy

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Hi I think I'm in this game
Did anyone die yet?

Sadly no

Also hi

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+scum my dude

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Obviously, c’mon

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thought it was maybe some sorta "keeping to his word" thing

Hrmm?

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means he's keeping to his word, lolshooting,

How could he be keeping to his word when it was his first post of the game? Also why would I TR lolshooting?

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Ftr I think ur town unless you’re scum with at least one of (kanna/ali, icon, isis)

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Why are you ... ing?

But also again, how could he be keeping to his word/doing what he said when that was his first post of the game?

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post 1: i will shoot in 12 hours
- post 2, 12 hours later: *shoots*
am i missing something here

I did not see his first post, I thought the wall + shot were his first

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becasue we're havign such a chill moment and you gotta start sorting associtaes for scum!me for ??? reasons

...why would you not expect this from me after last game?

Why do you think I was wrong on you there btw?

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becasue we're havign such a chill moment and you gotta start sorting associtaes for scum!me for ??? reasons

...why would you not expect this from me after last game?

Why do you think I was wrong on you there btw?

not saying i didn't expect it necessarily
but it's a downer for some reason, like the "ye i think you're town, but IF YOU'RE SCUM--" completely unprompted while we're jamming reads

actually now that i type it out it makes me wonder if you're trying to avoid me having the same paranoia you were having last game of "datisi isn't calling me scum at all, might be pocketing me"

and you were wrong because i was pocketing you the whole game and was trying to play up my recent town meta that you're familiar with? like idk what you expect me to say here

(1) I don’t think me calling out the world where you’re scum has to interfere with us jamming unless you want it to?

(2) eh yeah, that is something I normally do as scum with for example skitter, but I only do it as scum because it’s something that happens naturally when I’m town because when I’m town I always have lingering paranoia (or nearly always)

(3) I just kinda wanted to know if you did what I thought you did or if there was something else you did on top go that

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(1) can’t tell if you’re being serious or not?

(2) about you or about skitter? I may not always phrase it as “I think X is probably only scum with one of A, B, C” as that’s fairly new to you based on last game and a new working theory I have, but the generalised paranoia is normally there in any game with (skitter, pure boi) and I think you’re now probably in that group if you weren’t already

(3) I wanted to know if the reasons you thought you fooled me were the same reasons that I thought you fooled me. It was possible that you thought you’d fooled me for very different reasons than those that I thought I’d been fooled for. Is that clearer?

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Why don’t you show us how it’s done, cowboy

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Why do you wanna shoot norwee?

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Shooting bad town is not necessarily a bad idea even if they are town

Same with guillotining them

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I don’t have a problem with it

Bad town can be bad town, can be scum

Resolving those slots is just generally a good idea and I have no problem with icon using his shot to try and do that

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Like I think tipsy is scum but if tipsy is town (and who I think they are) I still think it’s probably +town to be eliminating their slot today

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Top

pedit: >:(((

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Eh a little bit but I’d rather get a flip or two in my scumpool before I start having any excessive paranoia about my townpool

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I invited everyone from fakegod’s game that just finished and I wanna day tipsy invited people from a different game

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I am probably more scum on Isis than town now that she’s posting

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I invited everyone from fakegod’s game that just finished and I wanna day tipsy invited people from a different game

daggers

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I am probably more scum on Isis than town now that she’s posting

I should clarify: this is a very low confidence read

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(a) or (c) are the clearly correct answers

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(a) for good play

(c) for would be hilarious

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Before the vote count goes here, get fucked Menalque

Quoted for posterity

I was trying to get it too

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I think dragon is pretty useful when he's not scum which counsels against hero shooting. Hero shooting is probably most valuable when you're getting errantly scumread and that's eroding your credibility so try to assess whether that's the gamestate. If you can't get the exiles you want because you're not persuasive enough rather than because you are personally scumread, the very reasons you're not persuasive will often make the hero shot bad.

Okay, but counterpoint, how funny would it be if he was scum and got hero vigged by datisi right after a game that he very nearly won singlehandedly against scum!datisi

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tbh I just want to see if Tipsy can dodge a 3rd or 4th shot

Why don’t you shoot them and we’ll find out?

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At this point there is a 44.4% chance that the remaining five shots all miss as well.

And yet only a 10% chance that all shots would miss at start of day

Probability is wack

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since i'm town, there's at least one scum in mena/ico, mark my fucking words

menaaaaaaaaaaa

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Hey MT, what’s your read on me?

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(1) I don’t think me calling out the world where you’re scum has to interfere with us jamming unless you want it to?

this is a very Menalque sentence that makes me wish he had an anime avatar that was more carefully tuned to match his je ne sais quoi (though his current one seems moderately in the right direction)

She used to blink but I had to flip her so she’d look the right way and now she doesn’t

If you find me a new one I’d be open to switching

Also are you pocketing me

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I didn’t know MT was an untrod tripod alt

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She used to blink but I had to flip her so she’d look the right way and now she doesn’t

i just saw her blink

are you trying to gaslight us you scum

Also cool, it doesn’t work on my phone for some reason? Is it like a single blink or multiple slow ones

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which makes me hesitant to townread some things

Like what?

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from the little bit i've read i really wanna shoot norweigen
im on page 14 or so and they haven't been trying to solve at all.

Sadly, that’s also Norway’s town meta


Idk he could be scum but he could be town. I don’t hate a shot there but I’d prefer tipsy/Porkens and I think norwee tends to become more readable over time

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I’d rather find out if tipsy can dodge 5 shots in a row

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Mena you've been putting a lot of weight on meta this game
we have multiple newbies to MS here, how do you plan on convincing them of anything?

Mostly planning to coast on my roguish good looks and charming personality

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502

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No, i was just quoting it because MT referenced it but didn’t link it in her long post and I cba to go find it separately

It wasn’t in reference to what you were saying

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Counterpoint: No its not

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I mean yeah it is the sort of thing I’d say as scum too, but I’d also say it as town lol

You have to choose which alignment I’m saying it as and whether it’s part of town!me liking to eliminate some slots for the sake of removing them or scum!me misguillo fishing

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HURT: Menalque

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Triplehaven may need to be reconsidered if this goes through

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Also Isis is now in my scumreads, and I’m less sure on tipsy scum than I was before

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VOTE: porkens

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Triplehaven may need to be reconsidered if this goes through

Why is reconsidering dependent on whether it goes through?

I still think she’s prob town but if I die here I won’t get to re-evaluate it. If I do die, it’s worth looking into because I think it’s a bad shot from her progression on me thus far

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If MT is scum then she’s trying to hardpocket me and is succeeding

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Also Isis is now in my scumreads, and I’m less sure on tipsy scum than I was before

Why? I rather liked 599 (can't decide if I agree with it but it showed some actual effort to sort).

I’m seeing tipsy!scum as are most of my TRs. I think it’s white knighty if tipsy is actually town, and also Isis kind of softing a SR on me but not going into it or pushing the point

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IN WHAT WORLD DOES 502 COME FROM EXPERIENCED TOWN

This one

There’s nothing wrong with 502 as a sentiment or position

We don’t have to find all the scum today, we have to create a world in which all the scum are findable before the end of gylo

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I don’t think jjh looks bad from shooting town!you norwee, sorry to break it to you

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IN WHAT WORLD DOES 502 COME FROM EXPERIENCED TOWN

see: my 604

Okay, but why are you just throwing away the interpretation that it's openwolfing

I don’t really follow?

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IN WHAT WORLD DOES 502 COME FROM EXPERIENCED TOWN

see: my 604

Okay, but why are you just throwing away the interpretation that it's openwolfing

I don’t really follow?

"i like the Tipsy comment in 502 because saying its +town to get rid of a townie is somewhat openwolfy and id expect scum to not go as far to include the extra bit about possibly knowing Tipsys main. Seems unnecessary"

I still don’t get it

I’m dismissing the interpretation that it’s openwolfy because (1) MT isn’t saying it actually is openwolfing and (2) I know it isn’t?

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I find the sentiment in 502 pretty much NAI. If Menalque is saying that as scum it's because it's something he would say anyway as town.

This is accurate

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"I might know Tipsys main and by virtue of meta we may just want to get rid of her even if she is town".

*them *they are

If I’m right

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What’s the most AI thing you think you’ve seen from me?

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Your reaction to Mastina declaring a guilty on you in team mafia

Oh, I thought you meant this game

Why do you think 502 is scummy for me?

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I am confused by what you’re saying

Why would I be panicking here?

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I see in this similar undertones of panic causing a rushed judgment that doesn't make a whole lot of sense leading you to a position you then try to cement

Yeah I actually really don’t understand this at all

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You panicked just a little because you are 15% dead

..why would that make me scum? It made me decide to get my reads out on an accelerated schedule because I wasn’t expecting to be shot, sure

But that’s distinctly different from the mastina situation where I was trying to salvage a guilty with a ballsy claim based on speculation. Here I might already be dead and have to stop posting at any second

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So I mean you’re right that there’s probably a sense of panic in my posting in both cases, but they’re very qualitatively different situations so I don’t understand why you would reach the conclusion I’m likely scum here based on my being scum there

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I see in this similar undertones of panic causing a rushed judgment that doesn't make a whole lot of sense leading you to a position you then try to cement

Triplehaven may need to be reconsidered if this goes through

THIS is the post I meant

Can you explain the first post here more fully regarding 626 then because it still makes no sense to me

Like yes there are undertones of panic

Whats the rushed judgement that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense and the position I’m trying to cement?

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Do scum ever risk shooting scum in the setup for the distancing potential?

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I wish I was scum with haven rn, we’d be playing so well

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What experience @dats?

Is this to do with the “chaos is a laddah” reference?

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Do scum ever risk shooting scum in the setup for the distancing potential?

I think so 100%

ngl if scum had flipped in d1 from being shot, I would be extremely sceptical of the shooter

Would you be more worried or less if it was one of the slots shot by multiple people?

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What experience @dats?

Is this to do with the “chaos is a laddah” reference?

yes

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bugs and dann are scum
dann opens with a shot on bugs
shot hits
fast forward to 3p dats/dann/isis lylo

town lost

Sorry to break it to you but if Dann was scum then

Spoiler:

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What does mash mean?

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Oh. That sounds awful, but to each their own

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Okay everyone, there’s a new mission here, we have to convince haven to make this her new homesite and teach her the benefits of mafiascum(dot)net > mafiauniverse(dot)net

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Hmm

I’m not convinced it is nahdia but if so then I want tipsy dead less

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How lynchable do you remember beeboy being?

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That is exactly what I’m doing, yes

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Yes

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Well I mean that question is now clearly invalid as a test anyway

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now i'm wondering who mena thought tipsy was

I’ll pm you post-game

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You still there tipsy?

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Dayia cheese, what’s your stance?

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Okay it is nahdia now I feel rly dumb

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Sorry for forcing you to out

Also I had to misspell it so you couldn’t search the word to find where it’s talked about

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Like if it wasn’t you and you were impersonating you

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VOTE: isis

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am actualy dying t oknow what the scum motivation behind pretendin to be nadhai is.

It’s not who you would have been pretending to be it’s that I do think lying about your identity when on an alt is scum indicative of people are scumreading you based on who they think you are

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i mean maybe im just a HUGE Nahdia_Superfan and happen to know about their stance on daiya off the top of my head?

If so then fairplay

I love that that account exists and totally get it

Ugh this is annoying

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also, more importantly,

why does tipsy being an alt of nadia or whoever prove they're town

It doesn’t prove it but it’s enough for a reset bc a lot of my tipsy read was that the person I thought they were is someone I’d expect to be a sweaty tryhard and they weren’t doing that at all so I was scumreading it

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Yoink

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why are we piling on isis specifically when there were multiple people pushing on Tipsy? and how does them being an alt of someone prove that they're town in any way?

uh I was a hard tipsy stan HHH

Yeah back when tipsy made sense as scum, i.e. I think you TRing tipsy was TMI-y

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the shot seemed kind of town indictative

Wait, how is this?

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why are we piling on isis specifically when there were multiple people pushing on Tipsy? and how does them being an alt of someone prove that they're town in any way?

uh I was a hard tipsy stan HHH

Yeah back when tipsy made sense as scum, i.e. I think you TRing tipsy was TMI-y

Tipsy never made sense as scum, that's trash

Hard disagree

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I am now wondering if tipsy is actually scum after all but wanna check some stuff first out of this game

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MT - town
Dats
Haven
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Keiji n sara townlean

Umlaut - nulltown

Norwee - null

Bell - scumleans
Tipsy

Porkens - scum
Isis

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I feel good about my townreads unless MT or datisi are hardpocketing me in which case my reads are fucked, although maxwell is a little lower confidence because it’s mostly agreeing with the takes he’s been having so far rather than anything really shouting town about his approach

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I am now wondering if tipsy is actually scum after all but wanna check some stuff first out of this game

Is it the catchup?

Yeah, bad takes on the me and datisi stuff but I’m willing to listen to why any of that was scummy

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Who am I chainsawing?

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Like that’s ironic coming from you/Isis given the way that Isis started softing a SR on me after I was pushing you

And now I’m SRing Isis you’ve come up with a bunch of vague and unexplained reasons for why I’m scum

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So come on, tipsy, what’s scummy about my interactions with datisi or any of the other things that led to me being scum in your readslist?

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can someone send me a pork post so i can iso them i dont feel like looking

He has literally 2 posts

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Who am I chainsawing?

datisi.

Only your primary scumread is on me and I’ve been townreading datisi like all game so that makes zero sense?

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Again, explain your read on me

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idk. ur early game REALLY looked like u were trying to earn a townread from datisi.

How?

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can someone send me a pork post so i can iso them i dont feel like looking

He has literally 2 posts

wait why the fuck is he being scumread with 2 posts
mans probably busy just wait until he gets itt

Because I have it on authority that he dislikes scum and his 2 posts so far have not been, what is the term, “good”?

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Cool, so tipsy is probably scum then

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MAYBE ur just both scum? the supposed synchronicity between u two early on just doesnt feel right. i get Bad Vibes from it.

Bruh

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lol

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Rip maybe work on your scumgsme for the next one?

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Or like, making pushes that could conceivably be coming from a town mindset

I can give u some pointers in postgame if u like

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VOTE: tipsy

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MT why do you not think tipsy is scum?

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Menalque I feel like when you have something to say about some players in this game you talk about them, but for other players if you have something to say, you interact with them. And I'm used to you being someone who just kind of interacts with everybody.

Could you do what you usually do more? I think that's how I will end up townreading you if that's your alignment.

I don’t really know what you mean

I still tend to interact with everyone over the course of a game just at different times? Rn MT is the person I wanna talk to and I wanna talk to them about tipsy

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Their catchup doesn't really inspire confidence and I do not understand their push on you/Datisi, but I am unsure that's scum indictative

I suppose i don't have an active reason to townread them though. I guess i just turned around on how i read their apathy towards getting shot.

Right only I think their catchup is actively bad and agenda based (discrediting me/datisi and acting as a chainsaw for Isis)

Idk if their apathy towards being shot is really valid when they know there’s only a 15% chance of a shot going through but I’ll think about it

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I really have no idea why haven is scumreading me

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It wasn't a comment based on recent events just the whole game

It normally comes in ebbs and flows

Once I feel I’ve talked about everything interesting with the first people I want to talk to I move on

Generally I’m less interested in talking to the people I scumread unless the people I townread give me reasons to not scumread them as much

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I really have no idea why haven is scumreading me

Well, no, I guess I do because I read her post on it it’s just annoying

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just read mena iso
I can see what Tipsy is saying about Mena pocketing datisi in their first couple of posts and their push on Bell was bad as bell's probably town
I still find 502 bad espesially because their read on tipsy was ENTIRELY a meta read based off of the *assumption* that they were a specific person. Them constantly mentioning pocketing is kinda weird (though not particually ai, i don't think). Waffle-y thoughts on nor in 594. Their last 10 or so posts feel super defensive.

overall my thoughts on them haven't really changed.

(1) I literally would interact with datisi like this regardless of either of our alignments. Last game I opened by fskeclaiming town PR and saying she was the town role that if discovered by scum would lose the game for town (she was scum I was town).

(2) why was my push on bell bad at the time even if you’re TRing bell now? What should I have been TRing then?

(3) bell still has reasonable chances of flipping scum and the fact that icon (conftown) chose to shoot there of everyone shouldn’t be ignored

(4) tipsy was not entirely a metaread, their lack of doing anything was bad either way but WORSE if coming from the person I thought they were. The bit about killing them even if town was entirely meta based tho, yes

(5) what’s waffle about the post? Me saying Norway could be scum could not be, hasn’t done anything very AI yet is clearly a stance on him

(6) me being defensive — why is this +scum when I’m being pushed with a shitcase from a slot I believe to be scum who is trying to defend another shot who I believe to be scum? What do you think town me would be doing differently here?

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I kind of want to read nahdia’s recent scumgame to try to get a handle on what she was like there. What a big the fact that the isis wagon was gaining momentum and this has successfully derailed it?

I think their actions probably make less sense in a world where Isis is town I guess, but then idk where my scumreads are. Like porkens/norwee/bell? Which is posible but I’d rather clear by getting one of Isis/tipsy today. I would be surprised if both were town

Yeah I don’t think [psot]585[/post] is AI

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I can compromise on norway but I just think it’s such a zero value guillotine that I’d rather go the harder route of resolving in tipsy/pops and trying to shoot there tomorrow

I think we learn very little from town!norwee and if scum!norwee I guess I look bad but other than that idk what’s gained?

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because it gives them cred when i flip, Trip. At least in theory.

my takes are great, excuse you.

but keep on chainsawing!

damn u got me.

LITERALLY what?

do not accuse me of having a thught process. i will shoot u for such crimes against humanite.

im defendin who now

dont read my scumgames. i suck!

Do you think this is honestly +town over +scum posting, MT?

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but like i doubt they're both scum

Because you doubt we’d get both D1 or because you think the other reads you have are much scummier or something else?

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If you can't find someone to vote up in a large something's wrong etc

It’s almost like a faction of 2-3 players are withholding their votes from the Isis or tipsy wagons to reduce their viability and to encourage compromise elsewhwre! Who would do such a thing!

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Isis i don’t feel like your approach on me is particularly town indicative for you, specifically the bit where you started softing a SR on me while I was pushing tipsy but then flipped it to a “maybe mena is town this looks like his towngame but not sure because I don’t know his scumgsme :/“ once I started pushing for you

Like what did you think about that was indicative of my towngame in a way that my posts before then weren’t?

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Also what are your reads anyway

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If you can't find someone to vote up in a large something's wrong etc

It’s almost like a faction of 2-3 players are withholding their votes from the Isis or tipsy wagons to reduce their viability and to encourage compromise elsewhwre! Who would do such a thing!

mena do you not know how many scums there are?

This is an odd question

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but like i doubt they're both scum

Because you doubt we’d get both D1 or because you think the other reads you have are much scummier or something else?

Nahdia chainsawed for their partner in the last game i played with them, i pointed it out, and then i wrote it off because it was way too obvious. I would be livid if that exact same scenario happens two games in a row

But also to catching both scum at once. And i always scumread Isis when she's town, it's comical

Tbf I’ve played with Isis I want to say twice but it may be more than that and I ended up hard scumreading her both times

I just don’t know if I would also scumread her if she was scum, and so the fact that I have often misread her doesn’t make me TR her here it just makes me less confident on her

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Oh ffs, this is going to be my paranoia slot this game, I can feel it already

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I wrote 2-3 cause I wasn’t sure if all scums would resist a wagon on their partner or if one would vote for the distance

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I’m aware there are 3

I was concerned that you were trying to bait me into faking a townslip (as town) by saying I wasn’t when that would be like really obviously a lie to anyone who knows me

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Yes, I think you’re going to be the slot this game where I don’t know whether to trust my initial feelings on you and to believe that you set about a concerted effort to try to stop me scumreading you OR if engaging with you just made me see that you were town and that I was SRing you for bad reasons initially

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I feel good about my townreads unless MT or datisi are hardpocketing me in which case my reads are fucked, although maxwell is a little lower confidence because it’s mostly agreeing with the takes he’s been having so far rather than anything really shouting town about his approach

You like looking at your own win and loss conditions as town

you are that person that knows what cards is left in your deck and tries to figure out what cards matter based on that

I imagine that doesn't happen the same as scum

This felt like a very genuine and earnest attempt to sort me

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But idk if I should TR that from you

Also if it is just bell/porkens/norwee then scum is just.. basically not doing anything this game?

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Ugh ffs

Datisi i wanna talk to you tomorrow

Also maybe umlaut and jjh

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Why did you shoot the dragon and not one of them?

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Why is bell so high? Run me through that again

Otherwise I like that readslist quite a lot

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Okay but why icon specifically?

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Compare/contrast @isis

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If someone is not acting like Player X why would you leap to "they must be Player X, and since they're acting different it must mean they're scum!" and not "they're probably not Player X"

Because their typing style is super duper similar

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It’s Zelda, main playable character from the video game series “legend of Zelda” I believe

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If someone is not acting like Player X why would you leap to "they must be Player X, and since they're acting different it must mean they're scum!" and not "they're probably not Player X"

Because their typing style is super duper similar

I.... guess. I mean, I don't know whom you're thinking of so I can't say whether I agree or not, and probably you're not making up the whole thing so I don't know why I'm pursuing it.

Good conclusion!

So anyway, yeah, I do wanna talk to you but I actually don’t have anything I wanna jam with you about specifically just yet so I will probably come back to this tomorrow

I’m about to go to sleep it’s like 5am

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VOTE: porkens

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(1) okay but it’s meta you could have asked about and that I now think that multiple people have commented on how datisi and I are friends so i think you should still have picked up on that?

(2) disagree, but I don’t really wanna go through their ISO for why rn. I think the reasons to be scumreading them there were legit and valid and quite possibly still are

(3) can and would se have, and it’s one of the reasons why I consistently do well as town — not because my reads are insanely strong but because I’m willing to subordinate them to the reads of others who have flipped town

(4) but your big objection was, literally in capital letters, that it was entirely a meta-read. Why is it still bad for being a metaread but not entirely a metresd, and if it was just that it was a metaread that made it bad why the need to emphasis “entirely” so strongly in your 855?

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I tried but failed but I will go and try again

I am an addict it’s not my fault

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I scumread you last game because you were harddefending scum?

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Why shoot keiji?

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VOTE: porkens

talk to me about this vote

What in the 4 posts that porkens has made say town to you?

I could fairly interchangeably vote in porkens/norwee/tipsy atm

Maybe bell too but as a slight outlier

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Anyway, the thing I wanted to ask you is as the other person who tipsy is SRing do you think their take is +scum or just +terrible?

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i'm just wondering why you're switching from >person you're scumreading and that is having according to you bad takes etc to >lollurker

Because I’m now less sure of scum Isis and MT has a point about where the motivation is for scum!tipsy to come in and push a shitcase that’s obviously moronic in order to defend Isis if they’re not partners when it just looks bad for them?

Also I don’t think they can be TRing you if I was chainsawing for you

Actually wait that’s hella inconsistent how can I simultaneously be chainsawing datisi and pocketing her?

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VOTE: tipsy