A warlock, a werewolf, and a vampire... [Game Over]

[Lady 3]

I don't think pairings that have a clear town in them should be voted until later on; I've posted at length about it.

[Lady 3]

I feel sorry you aren't enjoying the game more g2.shades

I don't mind continuing playing. I am afraid of mainslipping or sounding too obvious who I am.

FakeGod doesn't force replace for like 5-6 people figuring out who you are because you're not altering your personality. I would guess maybe 4 people know who I am from how I'm playing.

I find the key to not main slipping is stay logged out a lot and browse your games, then when you suddenly want to replay and you realize you can't because you can't log in, you think about what game the reply is for and log into the appropriate account
if that helps you any

[Lady 3]

L1cry I think that's my favorite endgame pair right now but I really respect you voting your heart

[Lady 3]

Don't read L5.gaia for now
And if there is any serious component to G8.prince's vote he absolutely should not expose that seriousness before intervention

[Lady 3]

It's because we love you that it's happening

[Lady 3]

His insistence that G3 is scummy for being unhappy that his town reads weren't pairing with his town reads is... a logical argument I do not follow.

it's a scummy argument you don't follow you can come out and say it

[Lady 3]

I want to lose this mafia game because I let dewgong sherlock be last pair

[Lady 3]

I feel the same way about plans like this, by simply disregarding scum reads and going after pairs we think "just aren't going to end game" and being complacent with the flips

It's not pairs that just aren't going to end game, it's pairs most likely to produce a redflip to work with because they have two halves that feel like they can flip scum instead of one. Human reads are bad and human reads that feel really better than other reads are actually only slightly better so two scumreads ideally or a scumread and a nullread have a quantity that outweighs the quality of an intense scumread. And "ignoring the intensity" of a scumread doesn't impact associative play that much, you'll be looking at the votes and what was actually caused to flip. If anything forcing players to discuss both halves is really good because bussing a scumpartner with a bunch of truth telling probably looks more authentic than shade on the town half

[Lady 3]

They need to make a version of this dance where you can just pair with the people you like and somehow aren't advantaged by pairing with townread people.

It'd be more fun.

I don't know how you make it like that.
But also I guess all of you did that anyway.
Except maybe like, G3.sherlock?

[Lady 3]

Would it be wrong to wield leave-blackmail and become a doublevoter

[Lady 3]

But I wanna plaaaaay

[Lady 3]

You can do something and think it's a scumtell and be town and think other people are scum for doing it.
I think people who drive a Camry are more likely to use regular oil instead of deluxe.
If I see a Camry it's a tell it probably has regular oil in it.
I drive a Camry and I always ask for the deluxe oil, I dunno why, it's banged up even.
It is still logical for me to run around guessing the Camry's probably have regular oil in them as I look over the hood of my car full of deluxe oil.

I haven't looked up the g9 thing you're upset about and it's probably valid for other reasons but this always bugs me

[Lady 3]

Man we all deserve to lose because no one understands the strategy about not posting L5gaia reads

[Lady 3]

L6 participated in the strategy, if she townreads her partner I want her as last pair so I can win with her or lose to her

[Lady 3]

I think I might know who G4 is and they might just be really awkward town

Probably townie for you to bring this up now instead of just before me/L2 get potentially asked to leave.
Will neither confirm or deny validity of your statement.

You're Stan Wawrinka, a tennis player

[Lady 3]

Violent agreement? That's why the way I posted it I want to hear a townread (that I'd trust) from L6 to be fully excited about it. I find l6.dewgong townier also

[Lady 3]

I mean I guess I failed to consider lose with her because she misread Sherlock but that's probably the dewgong avatar making me mentally rule out that possibility

[Lady 3]

Yes L4.salad preach about not having confbiased reads

[Lady 3]

L6 what is your favorite final pair besides yourself and princes

[Lady 3]

VOTE: Lady 1

[Lady 3]

VOTE: Lady 4
This slot gives me the heebie jeebies and I don't trust people to deal with it right after I've left.
bananas can you please be productive and help me make it happen rather than voting my hardtown.
if l6.dewgong is scum town!you loses the game accept it I will stan so hard

[Lady 3]

it is so slimy how L4 is being opportunistic and dodgy and shy about eliminating my slot and -then- is acting like that is townier than being bold about it and that makes me think she is scum going about it in a way that she actually perceives as being most beneficial for her slot and that's so many kinds of goosebumps

[Lady 3]

until then, i'm sticking with the assumption that if lady 6 happens to be town, gentleman 7 just really, really, really, really, really, really likes seals

Ice Beam and Surf are both really strong moves that don't miss

[Lady 3]

I'm nervous about this townslip thing. if the scum pt is pretty quiet it could just not come up? G7.bandana wouldn't be talking that much

He's posted in the PT in a way not inconsistent with that misunderstanding and has been more interested in posting about the relative probabilities of us leaving eachother rather than discussing other pairs

[Lady 3]

it might make his lilith proposal less scummy too

ugh

[Lady 3]

I should still leave him though he said he likes jolteon

[Lady 3]

Gentleman Volatile 8 you'll have to forgive me if I'm extremely paranoid of your slot by now

[Lady 3]

I just think he thought it would be townread

[Lady 3]

her heart is watery her iciness doesn't define her

[Lady 3]

Idk if scum!dewgong tries to sell a townslip on a scum!g9 at this point in the game, it's a bus and play solo gamestate for her atm I think

[Lady 3]

[Lady 3]

I'm less likely to learn your alignment hearing you comment on g9's townslips or lack thereof than I am hearing you talk about anything else. You have a hardtown partner so if you could be cleared that would be really good. Hearing you read G9.bananas who is somewhat of a burner slot given my agency over it is just sure to give me the least associatives.

[Lady 3]

I don't recognize what relationship he has to yugioh and it's criminal to call him long hair when yours is surely the most lustrous and brilliant long hair in the land our prince

[Lady 3]

G4tennis are you this dispassionate in all your games

[Lady 3]

okay I saw the answer and it's not a "scumslip" but it's hella weird. Seems a bit like a reach.

I thought it was pretty surprising I had written it

I found another error when I said G5.boromir's proposal is somewhat scumread, I meant somewhat townread, but no one corrected that because both are true (I think there's some people on both)

[Lady 3]

The only situation I can imagine in which Gentleman 9 isn't corrected on his assumption in the scum PT is if the third partner is also a chronic low-poster like Gentleman 7 was, and there has been basically no strategy discussion between them. I don't really see any person which that would apply to.

L7.blue said she would deliberately allow G9 to continue to misunderstand the setup so that he is looks townier.
I have employed similar tactics in previous games. Well I wanted to but it was a 3p scumteam and my other partner explained something and I wished I could delete teammate's posts in the scum PT.
I don't think all players have that kind of style to them.

[Lady 3]

despite the early lack of tangible content I definitely feel like L5 is town, and I think I can understand why they weren't really feeling it earlier, it can be difficult to produce effort out of nowhere

Request 14 Dayvig shots

[Lady 3]

Are you telling me I'm exceptional

[Lady 3]

Unless me and Misty are playing 5d chess while everyone else plays checkers when they roll scum.
But idk I am not an exceptional scum player in that regard.

I want to link some game's scum PTs but maybe it's not good for main identity to point out I was familiar with those game but I think there is some serious checkers meta onsite


I also like to be humble and think it's not a difference of sophistication but rather that I have the necessary sadism to watch my partners being wrong and not help them and most players have like a more compassionate empathetic approach to playing something that's supposed to be a casual social game

[Lady 3]

G4tennis are you this dispassionate in all your games

Am I even allowed to answer this?

Iam almost this passionate in almost all of my games

You can answer and if not we can get force replaced together

then queue together for something if you're town i want to take that mulligan reading you for town

[Lady 3]

You present analysis of individual analyses and LOTS of questions, G4.tennis, but I don't have many memorable intense townreads or intense scumreads from you, especially if we exclude your own pairing for intuitive reasons.

and I am kind of suspecting this might be a characteristic of your towngame, but that doesn't make you town here; and I sure wish it wasn't, people are so much harder to read the less survivalistic they are at a baseline and the less fearful they are about presenting confidence about some bad takes that might be wrong.

idk i'm frustrated
Cause l2rosa is like l8ghost-light in adorbsaness

[Lady 3]

ngl I'm gonna numb my brain and avoid thinking about or rereading a playing-while-leaving replacement cause it's the dirty stuff and I prefer to try to earn cleaner wins

[Lady 3]

Finding L8.ghost townier than g5.boromir is a spicy take I'd like hearing the reasoning for

[Lady 3]

it's probably rough for you to be playing this game on what's frankly a

normal

schedule when a lot of it is getting played live/near live but contributing on reasoning for the pivotal possible endgame slots like L8 and G1 could really improve our win percent.

I think no matter what f6 and f4 looks like, there will be large piles of dead townies who ranked different pairings among them higher as Last Pairs

and what will make the difference is what the Reasons of the dead townies were
especially since this is a secret alt game I can't just sheep Alyssa
well that's not the only reason I can't just sheep Alyssa

inconsolable weeping

[Lady 3]

i mean we can just avoid arguing about it and I can say L1cry has fallen below the threshhold I feel comfortable with endgaming due to her recent play so it's moot

[Lady 3]

oh wow you're gonna go do everybody ok


it's funner if you make a pokedex btw

[Lady 3]

Lady six are you okay

[Lady 3]

my reads are in a bottle being turned upside down and shaken really hard

I'm treating gent 1 as town if Ladies 1 and 7 both think he is town

l8ghost is going to be crushed about the value of her feedback here

[Lady 3]

L2Rosa why do you trust l1cry?

I have complete and utter faith in our weaboo gentleman 8

[Lady 3]

Thank you

[Lady 3]

I really want you to be the person I'm imagining you as

Pegasus threw an L4 vote down 2 btw

[Lady 3]

con: overused meme
pro: misty's head angle is kinda perfect i guess

[Lady 3]

A scumlean on someone with 296 posts in 7 days might should count as a townread

[Lady 3]

to the extent that sounds self serving i will point out that like 40% of my posts are memes and only like 10% of l7's posts are memes

[Lady 3]

she's so tryhard she asked me if she should be playing this game casually

[Lady 3]

I mean
I'm only semiserious
but I'm not sure how anon-ness affects what you can glean from postcounts

[Lady 3]

I am working off the assumption that L7 is one of the most post-heavy-each-alignment players in the playerbase, and still drawing the conclusion that her level of engagement is town indicative based on that
if, because i don't know her identity, I have erred, and she is actually 150 posts over quota instead of 50, that only makes her even more towny

that is why you are being dumb
I think it's scummy rather than towny, I'm not as eager to believe you're dumb as L7 is. I believe in you

[Lady 3]

how is this town indicative L7? Did L1 actually think "what if L7 doesn't post that much on her main, so it's scummy she found this game more engaging than any game she's ever played in her life"

is that real

[Lady 3]

#teamg2

[Lady 3]

Do you think there's a non-neglible number of players that consistently posts more (and what they're posting isn't fluff) as scum rather than town?

[Lady 3]

I mean if you're trying to say it's weakly town indicative instead of strongly town indicative we're not disagreeing, but if you're saying it's null then that's where I think you'r silly

[Lady 3]

Do you think there's a non-neglible number of players that consistently posts more (and what they're posting isn't fluff) as scum rather than town?

I'd say every scumteam should have at least one good scum. Gent 7 was probably the scum who couldn't keep up with the thread so he fell off. The other two scum must be in a fairly good spot if not better.

I appreciate you trying to think about the game but this is just gambler's fallacy.

[Lady 3]

don't leave if you're town

[Lady 3]

Do you think there's a non-neglible number of players that consistently posts more (and what they're posting isn't fluff) as scum rather than town?

I'd say every scumteam should have at least one good scum. Gent 7 was probably the scum who couldn't keep up with the thread so he fell off. The other two scum must be in a fairly good spot if not better.

I appreciate you trying to think about the game but this is just gambler's fallacy.

It's not gambler's fallacy, it's common sense. A team of potatoes can't win, but a team of good-positioned scum can win if town goes for the potatoes.

yes it is entirely possible that scum cannot win this game; the scumteam is full of potatoes. There is no reason to remove that possibility.

[Lady 3]

I generally follow the guideline that suggesting someone is characteristically dumb as an individual and goes from place to place consistently acting in that manner is rude and out of line; but disagreeing with a singular idea someone else has presented so strongly that you think it is "dumb", the most watered down english adjective I'm aware of that you can use to describe that you don't think it's composed of the requisite justification and basis, is permissible and sometimes necessary and does not need to be personally offensive as humans are inconsistent creatures not the least bit defined by their worst moments. I kind of need to be able to use words at least that severe to express ideas in my mafia game like the idea that I'm seeing suboptimal townplay and it feels more likely to be optimal scumplay than suboptimal townplay due to my having a higher perception of the user than the play

To be fair L7 went as far as "stupid", which would be a different bar

[Lady 3]

Would be more interested to hear about L2

[Lady 3]

am i toxic

[Lady 3]

man
g6 spares what little time he has in the day audio logs the contents of his heart into his PT on his drive to work
L7 is posting the special edition read pyramids in her PT for her man
G5 and L8 are discussing reads together and probably blackboarding
and my PT is "could you please vote L4 since you said you scumread her and you're vanity wagoning right now??" "Wow do you really think the team is Lady 4 + me exactly you must be bad"

[Lady 3]

Destiny Bond is the most romantic move

[Lady 3]

My thing on G3 SNIP

We should restrict this to content characteristics and not content volume, because this game is hyperactive and there's every indication G3 is posting just as much as he can within his lifestyle

But with that constraint in place his most recent takes are not as spicy as the L8 scumcase entrance I'd agree and that's a cattle prod for a search for other potential final pairs

[Lady 3]

as far as wagons that aren't my 2/4 i have to condone this "septem"

[Lady 3]

*that aren't my 2/4 go

[Lady 3]

One fifth of my posts are deleted in previews and all of them say "I sure hope lilith isn't spectating the game"

[Lady 3]

Your triangle isn't too different from mine, which makes me hope it's just an easy game?

[Lady 3]

don't kinkshame

[Lady 3]

there's no reason to believe g7 is particularly fond of seals versus g7 was playing towards the wincon of a certain subteam. The "joke" is the former is easier on the brain and g8 as lazy IC posting the analysis can just choose to believe g7 has a seal fetish in his analysis
part of my bloodcraving for L4 is that L4 was a living lady at the time G7 arbitrarily selected L6 to proposition and I feel like it doesn't take much skim of the thread to decide L4 would be more likely (still less likely than 50%, but more likely) to accept than L6 which suggests L4 may be scum

[Lady 3]

I gave up on people not talking about L5

[Lady 3]

Is this "big town energy" TR really nothing besides that you don't think it's in my scumrange to pretend to scumread you out then flip on it later.

And lilith being towny
Lilith being townie is a pretty decent foundation to start confbiasing off I guess.

[Lady 3]

You have a different mindset from most of the game G9peg

[Lady 3]

What's your counterwagon L9blue? If it's Pegasus I'm gonna nope but I'm willing to talk about doing someone else.

[Lady 3]

I haven't read the past two pages

[Lady 3]

i don't get what was laughable about my post

[Lady 3]

I'm really confident in G5.boromir and g6.dewgong as last pair X.X

[Lady 3]

It's cause g6.bowler is classy, I wish I could leave you for him

[Lady 3]

man
g6 spares what little time he has in the day audio logs the contents of his heart into his PT on his drive to work
L7 is posting the special edition read pyramids in her PT for her man
G5 and L8 are discussing reads together and probably blackboarding
and my PT is "could you please vote L4 since you said you scumread her and you're vanity wagoning right now??" "Wow do you really think the team is Lady 4 + me exactly you must be bad"

lol

could you actually fill me in a little bit more on what’s happened in your PT, I’m interested in what else G9 has been saying.

said he's not leaving, stated some reads that match the thread, early on in the thread said Ghost of Boromir (g5l8) was his favorite pair but later stated he felt his read of L8 had slid to null. Which I find, interesting, because I feel like as soon as late predance is the normal place for a townread on L8 to slide to null.
There was a fight about whether I actually have any pokemon with Tail Whip just because I don't have a Squirtle in particular and I had to set him straight

[Lady 3]

> L3 and L6 and L7: hey everyone let's not talk about reads on L5, mkay?

> literally everyone else: dae Lady 5 is so scum/town/null?

i'm laughing out loud

[Lady 3]

We shouldn't pretend I am ignoring this grandiose scum case and am just sitting on my hands calling them town.
Their just isn't a scum case in the first place.

pedit: sorry I didn't vote with you.

I've scumcased L4 a couple times, I know it's not grandiose and it's not the kind of stuff where I'm surprised it's not found to be compelling but I don't like the implication that I'm playing town lazily. I've given i thought; call it a bad argument not no argument.
The threshhold for what is bad enough I want to flip it is pretty low in a game where so many people seem towny

[Lady 3]

You two lost me is there an error in the votecount that FakeGod posted?

[Lady 3]

I guess it's scumsided modding to let fakehammering influence when you post a VC but I don't see strong evidence that FakeGod did so here, he posts VCs around this time all time

like I'm all for criticizing FakeGod's actual weaknesses like being too lazy to responding to feedback he got about usernames in perfect masquerade and proceeding to precipitate his own mod errors in this game because of that

but he's mostly a good mod and I think he knows about impartiality and would think critically about letting fakehammers influence his VC schedule

[Lady 3]

I doubt FakeGod would have gone as far as creating two Lady 3 PTS and two Gentleman 3 PTs if the players in the game had memorable names.

[Lady 3]

39
I don't like talking to scum >_>

[Lady 3]

I’m guessing my pt has the second to least amount of posts with G2/L4 having the least.

I think town!G4 would be using his PT quite a bit

I'm a bit more ambivalent than before Gaia but regardless I've spent most of this day phase believing he's scum so that pushes my postcount down to 39 even if we're talking slightly more very recently.

[Lady 3]

I have a medical condition where scumclaim wifom gives me ulcers, could you please not

[Lady 3]

I think I mentioned it at least once about L1.

Since G4 and L2 are both unpopular I would think there would be some kind of discussion, like, of "what's wrong with the game" and stuff, a place to make comments that seem too far off consensus to be useful and economical in the game thread. Like when L1cry votes l6dewgong and that doesn't accomplish very much

I wouldn't know for sure I'm not in that situation.

[Lady 3]

You decrease the amount of VCA info by 1 vote if you selfvote, if you want to be consistent. Refusing to selfvote forces one more person to be involved in the wagon.

[Lady 3]

I'm surprised you're not picking up on the inconsistency.

Leaving dance is just a 20x multivoter selfvote.

[Lady 3]

each voter

You're so closer
yes we get information about each voter
there will be 9 of them
if one of them is you that's not useful information about that voter, you won't be in the game anymore
you could collect information about a different player instead

[Lady 3]

Every hang after yours will be a nontrivial decision and it's hard for me to read into the motivations of G5 because I feel like your pair was always going to be pushed by town and scum.

Could we spill wine on people's tuxes so they have to go home and change instead of hanging them

[Lady 3]

G2shades do you still feel that G4 is scummy the way you did when you entered the game?

[Lady 3]

..did L6 even vote for him?

[Lady 3]

Be sure to bold a VLA request Rosa

[Lady 3]

VOTE: Lady 4
This slot gives me the heebie jeebies and I don't trust people to deal with it right after I've left.
bananas can you please be productive and help me make it happen rather than voting my hardtown.
if l6.dewgong is scum town!you loses the game accept it I will stan so hard

it is so slimy how L4 is being opportunistic and dodgy and shy about eliminating my slot and -then- is acting like that is townier than being bold about it and that makes me think she is scum going about it in a way that she actually perceives as being most beneficial for her slot and that's so many kinds of goosebumps

there's no reason to believe g7 is particularly fond of seals versus g7 was playing towards the wincon of a certain subteam. The "joke" is the former is easier on the brain and g8 as lazy IC posting the analysis can just choose to believe g7 has a seal fetish in his analysis
part of my bloodcraving for L4 is that L4 was a living lady at the time G7 arbitrarily selected L6 to proposition and I feel like it doesn't take much skim of the thread to decide L4 would be more likely (still less likely than 50%, but more likely) to accept than L6 which suggests L4 may be scum

These are the posts you didn't quote L4

Was hoping to listen to you whine less, but if you'll whine about me not reposting them the way you're going to whine about my reasoning I guess I just always break even.

[Lady 3]

Can both of you talk about Rosalina 2 because that's my strongest SR rn

Lady 4 has this constant style of asking other people to bring up things she's adversarial to
specifically so she can gnaw at them
over and over again
planning from the getgo to oppose them, never giving any appearance of genuine curiosity of the other players' point of view
i don't think I've seen a cycle like this run so consistently before
but it seems to make more sense for someone who has everybody's rolecards than someone who doesn't
it's certainly considerably less town indicative than being able to just run out with a hot take, the way L6dewgong recently did on nagito and the way l3sherlock entered the game
I don't get why my townread on this slot is so lonesome
i mean I guess it isn't people are voting there
but like L7blue says people don't mean it, I think it is actually a bad slot
the most favorable interpretation is a quirk of her particular adapation to a large
but directly contradicts the exact style of play she said was ideal in like her 3rd post so maybe it's just a sequal to 7bandana

[Lady 3]

the above quote comes before ever making AI posts about "her strongest scumread" by the way. It strikes me bizarre

i just wanted to pick anything that exemplifies the way she's been approaching this game

[Lady 3]

rip

[Lady 3]

beeboy was contradicting G8, you're fine gaia

[Lady 3]

maybe if we all pretend it's unclear who beeboy was posting for they will be able to stay..

[Lady 3]

Wait why can't I be beeboy I'm offended

[Lady 3]

Lady 3 is my scumread/doubts on you from your positioning around G7 bad?

Direction, no, magnitude, probably.
I think if I rolled scum this game most of the time I would be dumping G7 and re-emphasizing the things that made me scumread him for credit. But I can't expect you to read that WIFOM reliably and it's pretty reasonable to come the other way with it.
I don't think trying to read how players treated a burner slot is a good way to approach a game. Once a player has really poor standing, you're making guess about things like "how competent did or did not Misty think he really was" which isn't actually a component of alignment and is hard to read.

[Lady 3]

I'm just going to sheep L3(the next obv town slot) until I stop feeling sad
VOTE: G2/L4
L-2

My scumread on G8 was entirely predicated on him being beeboy and I now think he's the most obvtown slot; you should sheep him

[Lady 3]

L6seal's avatar pairs with her posts in many an ironic way

[Lady 3]

You know Kyogre is the strongest pokemon btw right

[Lady 3]

L4 might be town. I hope I find more scumread soon

[Lady 3]

Lady 4 is still scummier than rand
Lady 4's lack of acclimation to the setup dampens how reliable interpreting the way she's approaching the game but it doesn't flip it in the other direction
G2shades is scummier than rand also, but he's much closer to rand.

[Lady 3]

I hope Rosalina just isn't voting cause my mainguess is right

[Lady 3]

I was saying, I feel less confident interpreting her play than I do interpreting a more engaged player. Not anything about L4's interpretations

[Lady 3]

by engaged I mean she's interacted less with people in a way that fosters belonging, or whatever; she posts

but like she kind of creates her own problems, she asks people she hates to fight her instead of cooperating with her townreads. I'm not sure even has townreads because the G2 readslist she criticized didn't include me as a possible last pair and she still described it as awful horribad so that means at least 4 pairs she's scumreading
it might be a progression error
L4 can you do a triangle

[Lady 3]

I'm just being a silly, a readslist is fine

[Lady 3]

just to clarify are we analyzing the scum incentive for asking how to format posts in the scum pt

[Lady 3]

don't listen to l1cry, I want to relive this mess of a mafia game vicariously through your long catchup, L7blue

[Lady 3]

Oh yeah,

great, the three of us

get to be the town's entertainment in pre-dance and then we get lynched immediately since everyone will have a polarized and matured opinion of us by the start of the dance. Terrific.

I changed my approach and started to read through G7's ISO.

Who is G7 referencing in the bolded? I couldn't tell by the nearby thread markers.

Probably L4, G2, and G7, the last players to pair or completely fail to pair

[Lady 3]

proof town can misread this setup I guess (not revisiting that read based on the rep's play)

[Lady 3]

It's not actually detrimental to town to fail to meet deadline for the record. Slightly beneficial. Gamestate health in a general sense is its own topic but mechanically town is rewarded the fewer hammers that have been thrown by the end of the 8 days.
---------------
I can conceive of versions of G7bandana that were cocky asshats in the PT, well meaning oafs in the PT, and even timid in the PT and comparatively bold here to play to his wincon (least likely option). I'm not sure how much ground can be covered speculating about it but it's not impossible you figure out some kind of likely scumteam dynamic I

guess

[Lady 3]

If you can't read me, just no hang and figure stuff out after intermission(no deadline). Saying "they never endgame" is lazy IMO and I'm sorta townreading both G2/L4, so things change.

this mafia game will probably go better if you pretend we're in the open queue and you have to counterwagon yourself

it's likely one of the dynamics L1cry is cognizant of

[Lady 3]

Developing a prominent guess for L2's main has decreased my bloodlust for L2 which means either L6dewgong has a different guest or we think differently.

The person I'm thinking of generally deals with false negatives not false positives so invalidating G4's reads on per-user accuracy grounds would be backwards

[Lady 3]

paired G5 hasn't really done anything town indicative. For some the single mingle years are the best ones

[Lady 3]

oh that was meant for my pt but oh well

which pt

[Lady 3]

I really can't remember anything you've done post pairing that i've townread

your terse style is a struggle for me

[Lady 3]

I don't know if terse is the right word

matter of fact?

would you agree you're not a high emotion player

[Lady 3]

I hope people are paying attention to the prince sneezing truth bullets

[Lady 3]

I feel like if I was around this site more I could probably figure you people out but then again I don't really want to.

I like you even if you don't like us

[Lady 3]

when I see Lady 1 I want to give her a consoling hug

[Lady 3]

I get the sense from Gent 2's posting recently that he's trying to solve the game-- what I mean about that is, I think it's a mostly foregone conclusion that Gent 2 is flipping soon. I think Gent 2 knows that as well.

Detailing plans for who should and shouldnt be in the endgame, trying to strike a deal with me, stuff like that feels unnecessary if he's just about to flip red. And also could potentially be hurting his partner too giving so much extra info. It's sort of like in a regular game when someone is at L-1 and they're obviously going to die-- scum would probably favour giving up to not expose anything to help us find their partner, town will try to dictate what we should do next

In Gent 7's case it was kind of LAMISTy/WIFOMy to save himself (it was just a 1v1), whereas here I don't get the feeling Gent 2 is trying to save himself by WIFOMing us out. I don't think he can and I dont think he thinks he can either. He'd have to push so many miselims, whereas in Gent 1's case he just had to beat out one person.

I also am pretty much fine with his picks for the endgame, if I assume his pair is T/T.

I don't know if that all makes sense. Lady 4 I also think is town i believe.

I have much less strong feelings on G4/L2. Some things by Gent 4 I vaguely like on occasion but it's not big things. Lady 2 I feel I'm being unfair to, especially now that she's V/LA atm.

But I'm much not enjoying this current gamestate where it kind of feels like we're playing as if we only have one shot, where in reality we can knock out like 90% of the players. I know this is my fault too for not deciding on my favourite flavour of ice cream or whatever, im very sorry for that. It's vanilla tho btw

VOTE: Gent 4 / Lady 2

Well, L7bandana said "I know I'm dead but what really matters is picking a good final T-T pair", and then beeboy pointed out some flaws in his follow through on that. And now currently we have G8 pointing out some flaws in G2's follow through on his deathwilling gameplay and it seem very clear he's willing to sacrifice large amounts of postgame influence for a small amount of survival chance and that does a lot to negate the bonus points for entertaining a paradigm where he's removed from this game.

The baked in assumption you seem to have here is that G2 would see dying during f8 as an equal outcome to dying during f16. I don't think that's a given. I think; when excepting away a special case "obvious day1 scum" which most games don't have and doesn't happen to good players, and I have been this thing eleventeen times, aside from that phenomenon I think delaying scum exiles greatly benefits the scum due to the impact it has on the town dialogue (and that might even be true in the special case of obvscum d1 exiles where the scum votes Sane Cop with D3 IC, I'm just reserving judgment there). So I disagree with that assumption G2's knowledge he's not going to be last pair guarantees he doesn't exhibit this play as scum

[Lady 3]

i think the difference is i'm not anywhere near as convinced one of gentleman 4 and lady 2 is scum, even if i have issues with both

and i think i need to see how gentleman 2 and lady 4 flip before i can really go back and evaluate things at this point

or i need someone to convince me why i'm very, very wrong about the things i'm thinking seem like things that wouldn't come from gentleman 2 if he's town

im kind of skipping a lot of recent information and i want to actually sit down and read some things before i jump off my fence and place a vote on not-me

just finished "working" so guess ill get around to it soon

.

[Lady 3]

man
I know "My name is Y and X came at me like a wrecking ball, and since I have Y's role PM i know that's a wrecking ball against town, so compared to rand that says bad things about X" is valid
otoh in a 16p with 2 scum man is it at it's least compelling
y'know?

[Lady 3]

*its

[Lady 3]

im sry g8 i just try my best but im not the greatest i can't even level my starmie past 30 or she'll disobey me it's fucking depressing she's like "shall we show this abra the last Swift novel worth reading " and I'm like "no I kind of need to continue to enslave you in a manner that raises the question of whether animal rights are meaningful, could you please you Rest so I can exert command over your consciousness as your master even though your secondary type advertises how intelligent you are?"


so like
tdlr im not sure i'll always get you wat u need g8

i m a failure

[Lady 3]

man
I know "My name is Y and X came at me like a wrecking ball, and since I have Y's role PM i know that's a wrecking ball against town, so compared to rand that says bad things about X" is valid
otoh in a 16p with 2 scum man is it at it's least compelling
y'know?

I was trying to say, "scum are more likely than town to push town" as a scumtell is stronger in a 10:3 than a 14:2

I guess that's kind of strawmanning because g5 was trying to break down g4's reasons for pushing "town" also, but, I'm not sure that's unaffected by the numbers, townies are more likely to have to give up on solid reasoning if both scum are well hidden and then more likely to turn to reasoning that is shoddy

On the other hand the case on g2 is based on survivalism which isn't affected by 14:2 except that it might amplify scum survivalism.

[Lady 3]

FFS people. Stop your goddamn waffling. There's gonna be blood spilled. It might be town. But at least we made that choice and not the mafia. And it gives the rest new data to move forward on this shit. We will run out of goddamn time if we keep going in circles for another... 4 days, 2 hours, 18 minutes.

@Mod for the love of {Deity} can we prod the shit out of guy the 3rd and their main?

Why are afraid of not having two pairs exiled by deadline?

[Lady 3]

I had a nightmare last night that I altslipped this game and I actually checked my egoposts to verify it was just a dream

[Lady 3]

Lady the 8th, it is time to eat your ice cream.

Hold on lemme psych myself up[/quote]
kawaii

[Lady 3]

I.. meant to do that

[Lady 3]

I don't know what leave I want now

[Lady 3]

I think beeboy was obvtown so g1nagito is a slower way to get scumflips than a double wildcard pair.

I'm not convinced L2G4 is the best option and the L2 V/LA is :/. But maybe L2G4 is the best.

[Lady 3]

I like your Nagito scumcase a lot and I think that makes the pair a good cantidate for removal in second dance but when there are 2 scums out there I think shotgunning works better. Does that make sense?

I think I'm close to you on reads while having a different theoretical opinion, dewgong

[Lady 3]

VOTE: Nagito because it feels good

[Lady 3]

An L6 L7 lesbian pairing would have made this game so easy

[Lady 3]

I feel like Pegasus is scumslipping in our PT but I'm not positive

[Lady 3]

He had 2 scumslip posts

in one he suggested that we leave immediately after intermission and portrayed it as an act of teamwork, which seemed like a blatant and absurd perspective slip

then later he said that if no scum have been flipped by intermission I should also know that I need to leave him, which seems like error in holding his hypotheticals in his head against my alignment right

[Lady 3]

I'm soliciting opinions on how damning such posts are

[Lady 3]

reread your pagetop

[Lady 3]

not that coincidental pagetop, the one in the PT, where you said I need to leave you at f4

i guess i can't count, is f4 after intermission and one exile?

[Lady 3]

I've done the "this must be what scum wants/doesn't want" paradigming to try to figure out chronic lurkers but I have 352 posts and much poorer scumrange than people think so resorting to this shit instead of reading my posts is infuriating. I sure as hell hope this is a sloppy scum execution of reminders in the scum PT to pretend you can think of leaving from time to time

[Lady 3]

associatives matter but only up to a point, if post analysis never trumped associatives mafia would be a boring degenerate game consisting of nothing but revenge voting on every day after day1.

like if all of dewgong's scumreads flip town I'mlikely still telling Nagito not to leave his partner if he's town till the end of this game

[Lady 3]

there are some pretty real tactical advantages to skipping the second exile before intermission, especially since L5 is acting a bit wolfy for once. We can make this a pokemon chatroom for four days

[Lady 3]

Like I discuss in the PT rather than clog more the main thread because its a far out moonlogic thought after rereading, hoping that you can assuage that doubt, but instead you just erupt and double down?

HOW CAN I ASSUAGE YOUR DOUBT, YOU'RE LITERALLY SAYING "I'M GOING TO JUDGE YOUR ALIGNMENT BY THE COUNT OF GREEN AND RED CORPSES INSTEAD OF YOUR 300 POSTS"
AM I TO CONVINCE YOU G2 WAS GREEN?
i don't think you actually think I can do that, I think you want me to think you're suspicious of me so you seem town

[Lady 3]

Like I discuss in the PT rather than clog more the main thread because its a far out moonlogic thought after rereading, hoping that you can assuage that doubt, but instead you just erupt and double down?

HOW CAN I ASSUAGE YOUR DOUBT, YOU'RE LITERALLY SAYING "I'M GOING TO JUDGE YOUR ALIGNMENT BY THE COUNT OF GREEN AND RED CORPSES INSTEAD OF YOUR 300 POSTS"
AM I TO CONVINCE YOU G2 WAS GREEN?
i don't think you actually think I can do that, I think you want me to think you're suspicious of me so you seem town

*g2 was red

modPT slip, there, I'm in the know that FakeGod is likely to lose his modding privileges after the game

[Lady 3]

G4tennis I demand opinions from u

[Lady 3]

It's imaginable for L6dewgong to be scum but I think she has reached that threshhold where in the interest of putting things into stopconsidering bucket to continue playing well and efficiency that's where she should be

G8tanuki otoh is not quite there yet even if I'm not still scumreading him

[Lady 3]

G4tennis that is not the player whose alignment I'm ruminating on, I know I'm town

[Lady 3]

also there's the minor part where you said you read lilth's post but you first post was "hey am i paired", but tbf that's whatever.

I am surprised I forgot and and realized I could remember shortly after asking

I was surprised no one called it out wanting to Vote All Liars

I think it was somewhat harder to remember since the acceptance was delayed

[Lady 3]

I don't exactly understand/agree with this whole, kill misty for telling us the optimal strategy is because it happens to be suboptimal in a subset of games where deepwolfs are winning

I shouldn't have to out my main for people who read my posts to guess that I would be the sort to believe in this strategy before this game started. So it's NAI unless I selectively hide my opinions about optimal town play sometimes and do that more when I roll town than when I roll scum, which is ????

[Lady 3]

G3's scumcase on L8ghost still strikes me as very towny. Even if he read the game before rep he was writing it about either a partner or an innocent bystander if he's scum and I would expect it to be written differently.

He seems to absolutely not care at all how people are reading him, which seems consistent with the persona of a towny who found this anon game fascinating and mysterious and joined since it wouldn't be much more work than spectating it. Scum!G3 has to shift on that a bit more, he would obtain partners he needs not to let down.

It's a bit of an intuition thing, but when he talked to people scumreading him he tended to not have the sort of posting where someone knows the self they are defending is scum.

Those are some of the things I find town indicative

[Lady 3]

FTR I trolled you by saying he is handsome and cool rather than like towncasing him because as the player who has participated the least (in real time days active) I want my read on him to be the most mobile and would rather not increase my own confirmation bias. It also decreases my interest in selling you on it just for it to possibly flip soon

[Lady 3]

He seems to absolutely not care at all how people are reading him, which seems consistent with the persona of a towny

This isn't true though. I remember he has had problems with people supposedly scumreading him.

It seemed very dispassionate to me is the thing

[Lady 3]

[Lady 3]

townreading people who are getting eliminated anyway is not a point in his favor.

Agree with this

[Lady 3]

Yes

[Lady 3]

Does town G4 actually develop concerns about scum theatre? Maybe I'm the wrong perspective is all but that seemed like such a cold take there's eyebrows

[Lady 3]

I thought about leaving instead of asking for opinions but I don't know how likely it was, I don't think I'm an impulsive enough person

[Lady 3]

Why do people call G6 chaos?

[Lady 3]

I want to maybe do rereading or waste some effort on this game but I'm not sure where to focus

[Lady 3]

The vote proxying seems eyebrows if the L2G4 pairing includes scum while the L4G2 pair didn't. Deciding whether to bus is stressful

[Lady 3]

That was supposed to be Gentleman 3 but my brain farted, names are too hard, ugh

[Lady 3]

At least it suggests a perfect complement to L8 yay power couple

the pokemon is wrong though

[Lady 3]

I think I'm gonna continue townlocking dewgong slot even though Dannfloor is pretty good at scum

[Lady 3]

It's out of the spirit of the game for Dannflor to play the game in between his altslip and the process by which he is force replaced I think

[Lady 3]

okay so I noticed L1 mentioned something about being first out last game, is that genuine or based on which slot they're in because if it's genuine I might lower my enmity towards them a bit

don't think I've ever seen that player this emotional but some of the takes could be recontextualized by this

Oh now that you point this out it was almost certainly a reference to the account

[Lady 3]

How come every single person to altslip seemed obvtown at the moment of their altslip
There's some kind of conspiracy

[Lady 3]

I meant L6dewgong seemed obvtown on her anon play before she slipped. Why are you townreading her?

[Lady 3]

*aren't

[Lady 3]

I have been playing this game assuming everyone would arrive at "L6 obvtown" and didn't anticipate having to go into her posts at any point.

I hope it ends being moot because G3 obvscums or like L8ghost leaves you

[Lady 3]

The first 1/3rd of l1nagito's wall seemed reachy in a way that creeped me out about his alignment, the back 2/3rds was more ok

[Lady 3]

I don't feel like towncasing L6dewgong right now
If G3sherlock is really scummy later it doesn't matter that much
if you're flipped before her I don't have to explain it if everyone else gets it
I might have to explain my thoughts later though
60/40

[Lady 3]

VOTE: Lady 1

[Lady 3]

L7blue just said something bad about L1cry, so I can pretend I'm not alongside g1nagito on the same wagon

Really I shouldn't think about that and should just vote things if there's good reasoning.

[Lady 3]

You entered this day phase with no desire to sort whatsoever. It's unclear you should be granted points for being blatant about it or not

[Lady 3]

You understand we are searching for the people who aren't actually sorting because they have 100.0% confidence reads?

[Lady 3]

Is it one question each or aggregate

[Lady 3]

I didn't use a question mark!

[Lady 3]

[Lady 3]

g4tennis has 223 posts and I nullread or scumread 222 of them.

[Lady 3]

I'll give you 221 guesses

[Lady 3]

This isn't townie though. In normal games, after scum NKs someone or mishangs someone, it's not uncommon to see them say stuff like "RIP I was so sure they were scum..."

The main thing I townread him for is when he started to compile his reads because that felt good to me.

I think this was townish 2sidedness

[Lady 3]

no

you might get good enough to get a stats pentagon though

[Lady 3]

mafia is fun

[Lady 3]

G6 you have not earned your stats pentagon I haven't really townread your walls as much as everyone else seems to

[Lady 3]

L1cry if you had a 2-shot dayvig that only worked before intermission would you have shot G2tennis and L4salad after the first First Dance votecount?

[Lady 3]

Lover pairs die if they are killed by any mechanic, I'm asking if you would have just hammered both pairs immediately

[Lady 3]

If you scumread both halves of G4L2 and townread L4 strongly, why didn't you try to get town to flip Rosalina is the Best Character In Mario Tennis first??