The Trials - ENDGAME

[Noraa]

Helloooo

[Noraa]

37 pages is going to take me an eternity to finish, like I kid u not y'all r gonna wait like a whole week before I finish that. If anyone wants to just point out specific pages/isos/groups of pages that are MUST READS, please do because otherwise imma just skim some shit and be done with it.

[Noraa]

I somewhat agree that I don't want him in the trial in the event he's town, but would Nos be so much better that it justifies swapping to him for that reason alone?

I mostly just want to throw out Plus and move on.

Pedit: ISO Nosferatu, DrippingGoofball, and PlusJOYED. Tell us which is scummiest.

got it I will do that later today

[Noraa]

Idk how large themes work ngl. can someone give me a run down of what a trial is and any other important stuff I'm supposed to know?

[Noraa]

what is gladiate and is a trial like a separate thread or what?

[Noraa]

....whats an OP and okee I will

[Noraa]

I read it all. still don't get what "trials" are but its alright I'm sure I'll understand someday lmao. Alright ISO time.

[Noraa]

First thing I notice in DrippingGoofballs posts is the lack of solving, the huge amounts of fluff, the sheeping, and the lack of evidence to back up any argument. Not necessarily scummy but definitely antitown.

Spoiler:

Why are you pointing me to your signature? Is there a town or scum game you want me to examine there to compare to this game?

To prove that I have played games on this account, and therefore have not created this specifically for this game

PL very aggressive towards shellyc here, it looks like

Day 1

bus'ing.

day 1 bussing. seriously not to be rude but wtf. scums don't bus day 1. especially when they don't have any power roles and there's only 3 of them -________-

That is VERY GOOD.

I can get behind this.

VOTE: shellyc

Sheeping without providing some sort of ur own input is a BAD BAD look trust me.

Princess Leia's ISO also looks worse than it felt in real time. Deliberately obtuse/disingenuous style decidedly anti-town. I hope we can eliminate that slot today, so I dont have to actually go through it again and explain why it is so scummy.

I could get on board with that.

And then the next post in ur iso that catches my eye is another sheeping post. Or more precisely its in preparation of some sheeping.

shelly, that's -1, if you have a town PR, time to claim!

I WON'T FALL FOR IT LMFAO

I have a curse that I get to E-1 in all d1's I've completed

Stalling scum right here, ladies and germs.

Im salty you ended up being a part of shelly's lim. I care much for mah very first scum partner <3

Other than a vote for Leia and whiteknighting Talylor Swift, Nosferatu's posts are mostly idle socializing, and even pretty weak sauce at that.

I'm town.

PlusJOY is acting very townie today.
VOTE: Nosferatu

"I'm town" Not an acceptable thing to say for someone who has been on this site since 2005. It's literally the weakest thing u could ever say.

Vecna is town.

No explanation again. I can see that as scum uninterested in solving but maybe its just playstyle since its quite consistent according to the ISO

Onto the next ISO

[Noraa]

First thing I notice in Nosferatu's posts is the lack of content and the absolute love of fluff and rvs. I used to think I loved them the most. Turns out I was wrong.

Spoiler:

vote taylor

super SRS, can even wagon nosferatu

i respect a mans right to self-determination

does this come off as genuine paranoia to you, shelly?

it does.

So you think that town would geniunely think that finishing your username by a "C" is scummy?

personally i think names ending in x to be much more scummy
whats the x stand for?
what are you hiding?

VOTE: leia
no one is allowed to vote taylor
id vote you all if i could

this is early in the game I understand but it definitely still strikes me as light pocketing which I am not liking.

I semi-forgot about this game.

I need to stop forgetting about stuff, can someone give me a tl;dr with the 6 new pages

also replacements don't just happen for inactivity, force-replacement is a way to solve a compromised slot but you're not supposed to discuss replacements anyways

We caught you in a scumslip.

VOTE: shelly

ik u probably will but pls eggsplain

i need no further explanation VOTE: shellyc

I don't like this progression here.

ISO looks bland and nullish maybe a scumlean tbh

not really showing much effort to solve

ur iso isn't exactly spicy either

terrible reply. shelly's right. you aren't showing effort to solve.

do u wonder about where ants are going when they carry a piece of bread ?

if ur town u will find ur way

wtf this isn't rvs anymore.

True let's get this game moving

VOTE: nosferatu

please get this goon bro

OMGUS is what this here looks like.

[Noraa]

Ok ik Plus is generally LHF but holy shit I want a plus lim asap. I feel pretty strongly about this SR on him for a few reasons that I might go into more detail about in another post

Spoiler:

Honestly, sending yourself to trial shouldn't alignment based/thought about. Like, I could volunteer myself to go to trial just to experience what it is and hope for the best result. I know what I -want- my result to be, but yeah. Don't look too deep into it.

Actually, imo it's a bit of a towntell. Assuming maf has day chat, wouldn't the mafia buddies freak out in the PT and make him take it back? But he didn't really. Granted maf could just not care or be inacive as they don't think it'll go anywhere, so it's a pretty weak towntell. But i think its a towntell nonetheless

"I think mafia has day chat" is a very LAMIST thing to say and the overall vibe hear is not rubbing me the right way.

@Mod V/LA until Sunday EST

so yeah hoping there won't be too much to catch up on

sheep queen

how dare you.

shit bros my mafia processing power is having trouble booting im in too many games
i do think pete is sus though UNVOTE:
VOTE: pete

zero explanation but then again this is pretty typical for plus.

yes. PlusJoy is a stronger scumread to me atm with even less of a solving mindset / overall blendiness

jokes on you im trying to get put on trial town be damned
guess I haven't done a good job if only you have voted me, how can I scumslip harder?

I really really really dislike this post. It's hella provocative and is faking a sort of real pure townie energy in being like I aint afraid of getting limmed.

oh i know how i can get SR easily
UNVOTE:
VOTE: shellyc

this is really provocative as well.

plusjoyed, why do you want to be tried?

it'd be fun i think and i want to see what the trials are

nu uh I don't like this post. The vibe is off. Town wouldn't say that this far into the game.

Plusjoyed hasn't posted in more than 3 days. That should say something.

no im just lurking
i've decided on noseferatu but since we're all sus as hell im not gonna tryhard to manipulate the peoples choice

Very lamest vibe saying all these townie things about not being afraid of dying but then doing so many TSTBS things.

is that me?
Well if it is I kinda just absentmindedly lolhammered shelly, thinking trials might be fun since I was having trouble sorting people and keeping up. Then afterwards I thought I'd at least try to get the scum in the gladiate so I don't just throw. I'm still happy to go if you want me to however

"accidentally hammering" is a scum tell in itself. Panicked sounding explaining is not rubbing me the right way either

[Noraa]

Plus is being super LAMISTy and TSTBSy. Ik these are absolute opposites but he is definitely using both of them a shit ton. I see quite some sheeping from plus this round which is pretty typical as well but accusing others of sheeping isn't rubbing me the right way. One thing I've never seen from plus before is a lot of provoking. I've never ever seen this from plus and it is one of the things that is triggering this really strong SR from me. All the stuff about wanting to get limmed and being curious about the trials is VERY VERY LAMIST. Admitting to lurking is VERY LAMIST. "accidentally hammering" is TSTBS.

Plus' vibe and everything this round are not right. I think he's scum. I really do.

[Noraa]

Can someone give me an unofficial vc? if plus is not at E-1, my votes going there

[Noraa]

Hmmm imma actually wait until I hear from nos, plus, and goofball before I vote

UNVOTE: nos

[Noraa]

already did :3

[Noraa]

Yup! but idk what trials are still

[Noraa]

it doesn't exactly just tell me...

[Noraa]

Nos defend urself. I just ISOed u and two others specifically looking for traces of scumminess. Now defend urself pls

[Noraa]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
im not greatly convinced of ur case but plus looks worse rn so I'll leave u be for now.

@the three biggest wagons today
please tell me who you think the scum team is and why.

[Noraa]

yeah uh time to go back and read the first post again but either way still tell me who you think the scum team is

[Noraa]

I would assume bob long is a lurker since they are being replaced correct?
if yes, that's dumb. lurkers are literally the easiest to get mislims on as scum.
Fidget I haven't heard from and do not wish to ISO cuz imma lazy potato.

[Noraa]

hm I'll try to figure some stuff out but I doubt I'll be of much help today(day 2) but once we get into day 3 and I get more settled in, I assure everyone my reads won't be nonexistent piles of crap lmao

[Noraa]

I like ur replies however I've got some replies for them. fr this time I'm off for the night but I have some questions/replies in mind for tmrw.
consider urself in my town book for now

[Noraa]

@Nos
if it was a reaction test, why was there no follow up? Normally reaction tests get reactions and then you find something and expand on it. However, I definitely did not see any attempt to make something out of it? Basically I just want to know what the purpose of the reaction test was and what the results were bc ur iso doesn't really tell me that.

I doubt shelly was limmed for her lack of effort to solve tbh. shelly's just shelly and her playstyle is a bit scummy no matter her alignment but I guarantee that she tries to solve as shown in basically every single one of her games. Now looking back on this post in the morning I also feel you were a bit too defensive for my liking. I mean if u were constantly trying to solve, I could see some townie anger there but you weren't so then I'm not 100% sure what to make of that rn. We'll throw this thought onto the back burner for a bit while I try to sort everyone but I may bring it back depending on stuff :3

third point I can drop since its not a big deal and I'm obsessed with fluffing anyways.

I hate walls but give me a wall on scum!gypx please thanks

[Noraa]

I like the explanation tho it definitely has something to do with me myself coming across something like this recently. Even when people SR me a shit ton, the vibe can be good but one game just didn't hit me right and I just absolutely hated it. We have one day and a bit more left. Plus if ur scum consider urself successful in getting me to not really want to lim u. In the end I won't make a decision based on solely this but it'll definitely influence my decision

[Noraa]

AHHHHH my brains telling me its Plus but my guts saying NONONONONONONO he's just LHF

[Noraa]

if we lim plus today and he flips red, I'm fairly certain Fidget is one of the partners. It's a theory but I think its very possible that it's right.

if plus flips green, I will be a lil lost.

Im parking my vote on plus. if its a mislim yet again, literally plus I'm sorry I suck at reading u and I'll seriously have to go metadiving bc mislimming u every game dont feel hot on my end.

VOTE: Plus

This is E-2 I believe?
or E-1?
idk but fidget just unvoted so its def not the hammer but idk which one it is

[Noraa]

if we lim plus today and he flips red, I'm fairly certain Fidget is one of the partners. It's a theory but I think its very possible that it's right.

if plus flips green, I will be a lil lost.

Im parking my vote on plus. if its a mislim yet again, literally plus I'm sorry I suck at reading u and I'll seriously have to go metadiving bc mislimming u every game dont feel hot on my end.

VOTE: Plus

This is E-2 I believe?
or E-1?
idk but fidget just unvoted so its def not the hammer but idk which one it is

this post pings me very hard as a scumpost

greatly helpful. expand please.

if we lim plus today and he flips red, I'm fairly certain Fidget is one of the partners. It's a theory but I think its very possible that it's right.

What why

Elaborate on that

You unvoted when I came in and sussed plus. I can definitely see that as a scum partner thinking about saving their partner considering I, myself don't like losing partners as scum and have to be yelled at in the pt for an eternity before I even consider bussing.

if plus flips green, I will be a lil lost.

Im parking my vote on plus. if its a mislim yet again, literally plus I'm sorry I suck at reading u and I'll seriously have to go metadiving bc mislimming u every game dont feel hot on my end.

You don't seem very confident.

Is confidence level in your reads AI for you?

Good question. Tbh not sure. Lately I've been seeing that I OMGUS and tunnel a lot as town which definitely comes off as somewhat confident. Confidence on my part you should just consider not AI since I came into this game as a really really not confident scum in both my first two games where I landed scum roles. Everyone told me to be more confident so I ended up kinda switching shit around and currently, I'm not sure where all that's at.

id normally be compromising to plus at this point, but since we only need a plurality vote i get to be stubborn.

The game is stalling bad, that is a cowardly move. We're going nowhere in circles excruciatingly slowly.

VOTE: plusJOYED

Putting someone at E-1 and not announcing is scummy asf. I'll have to take a look at u tmrw if a plus lim goes thru and he flips green. If red, I'll likely consider u a slight town lean.

[Noraa]

Well I understand. However if you were scum here, you wouldn't ever admit that was why you unvoted anyways.

[Noraa]

No I'm not confident a red plus makes u scum. it was something that I stated might be possible. Basically if plus flips red, u would be one of the first people I ISOed

[Noraa]

if we lim plus today and he flips red, I'm fairly certain Fidget is one of the partners. It's a theory but I think its very possible that it's right.

No I'm not confident a red plus makes u scum. it was something that I stated might be possible. Basically if plus flips red, u would be one of the first people I ISOed

Do you use "fairly certain" and "might be possible" interchangeably?

lol yes

[Noraa]

yeah my confidence levels waver a lot as both scum and town soooo it may be a bit annoying/confusing but I assure u it isn't AI

[Noraa]

Gypyx don't give me a town pass that easily. Scum!me 100% would've figured it all out in her pt and put up this show to look town. I have no doubt I would've said basically the exact same things upon entering as scum. The questions may sound less stupid since I'd have already consulted my scum partners but no doubt I would've faked some confusion out to get town cred.

I didn't know u were in this game lmao until others mentioned u. guess u did forget.

[Noraa]

I won't lie. I don't like Vecna's look this game. My scum radar pinged a lot reading that iso

[Noraa]

personally im also not understanding why titus is the obvious scum...

[Noraa]

30 years? holy fuck

[Noraa]

there are no prs in this game right?
just vanilla and scum right?

[Noraa]

HUH? roles can change? what in the world...

can alignment change?

[Noraa]

I dont know who to vote T^T
someone pocket me or shit
I seriously dont know where to vote
my gut told me vecna but my guts stupid half the time so idk

[Noraa]

no its wrong 100% of the time as proven *so far*
in my only finished town game, I was jker
I jailed two vanilla
and my scum team guess was two vanilla
and newbie games only have 9 people total
I sussed 4/9 people and all 4 were vanilla

[Noraa]

I believe that ur gut is right most the time.
my problem is I can't tell if ur town
if ur scum, ur gut doesn't do anything here since u already know who the scums are anyways

[Noraa]

well the problem is that u would mislead me lmao

[Noraa]

good case but also vecna isnt in the limpool for today ... right?

[Noraa]

im sus of vecna but towns consensus seems to be against that from what I've gathered

[Noraa]

Vecna I'm basically randomly throwing shade at u rn. All I have said is that my gut tells me ur scum. The normal town reaction is a nice version of "fuck off"

im not seeing that. explain why and dont say something like "well it seems all ur reads suck ass" bc like no that's not a valid reason. A townie would jump at me for throwing shade like that.

[Noraa]

I feel ignored by Taylor :<

and Taylor never ignores me, even when I'm scum. does that mean u is scum this round? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm iso in a bit

[Noraa]

I feel ignored by Taylor :<

and Taylor never ignores me, even when I'm scum. does that mean u is scum this round? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm iso in a bit

have you said anything to me? lately ive been spending a lot of energy trying to de-escalate your tunnels and fights, but you arent doing any here, so i dont need to intervene. i do townread you though. i think ive discovered your tells, so im not going to say more than that.

T^T goddamnit nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
that's terrible cuz that means u will catch me next time I'm scum :<

But also Taylor, I would not pay too much attention to this game and do any meta here. The reason is that I actually completely dont know wtf I'm doing here. Like replacing in is really hard for me. I got used to replacing into newbies but large normals ... no. The only reason I haven't replaced out of this game is bc when I replaced in, I promised mod I wouldn't replace out and so I'm going to keep that and play on even tho I'm utterly and completely lost.

[Noraa]

T^T Taylor hold my hand and walk me thru what I'm supposed to do. I'm lost ;(

[Noraa]

And I think ur town cuz u didn't immediately pocket me earlier.
Taylor T^T halpu

[Noraa]

The fact that no ones really tried to solve me, sus me, or pocket me is honestly a weird feeling.
real weird :/
not sure what to think about everything considering only one slot has really interacted with me at all so far

[Noraa]

No ones really payed any attention to me after I replaced in and I'm just really confused. I'm SRing Vecna so I don't get where that comes from. Taylor, yes sure I'll take that.

[Noraa]

Taylors town bc of not trying to pocket me and I trust in her judgement for the most part so I'll be sticking with her for the remaining days.

[Noraa]

Taylors town bc of not trying to pocket me and I trust in her judgement for the most part so I'll be sticking with her for the remaining days.

Huh? What kind of reasoning is that?

if Taylor was scum, knowing that I'm easily misguided, she would've pocketed me long ago

[Noraa]

Noraa what is your mafia experience? How many games and how long have you played?

1+ months
3 finished games

[Noraa]

Taylor is my lock town rn and imma sheep her reads for now

[Noraa]

VOTE: Glitch

cuz ur the Eddie replacement and Taylor thinks ur scum and I'll have a case on u soon after I ISO dive u

[Noraa]

VOTE: Glitch

cuz ur the Eddie replacement and Taylor thinks ur scum and I'll have a case on u soon after I ISO dive u

bump me to scum lean for this

[Noraa]

Taylor is locktown cuz she would've pocketed me when I basically offered myself up for pocketing

[Noraa]

Have fun in my ISO dive. It should take 2 minutes lol

not really ur ISO. I've seen all of urs. More like Eddies ISO.

Maybe I need to better understand. Can you either explain the situation when you say you offered yourself up for pocketing, or link me to it so I can go back and check it out?

I'm a train wreck in all games I replace into. Train wrecks are easy to pocket especially if the pocketing person I've played with before. Pocketing me in general is easy. I saw zero attempt to pocket from Taylor and I'm sure as hell that she knows that I'm easily pocketed and misguided as town. If she was scum, she would know that and take advantage of that to sway my vote her way.

[Noraa]

So there was no specific moment that this actually happened, it was just a general statement?

when I basically offered myself up for pocketing

You can't point to a place where you offered yourself up for pocketing, you're saying that you were just offered up in general by your existence in this thread?

I also did specifically say in one post that I wanted someone to guide me or some shit like that. one sec I can quote it

[Noraa]

I dont know who to vote T^T
someone pocket me or shit
I seriously dont know where to vote
my gut told me vecna but my guts stupid half the time so idk

[Noraa]

So there was no specific moment that this actually happened, it was just a general statement?

when I basically offered myself up for pocketing

You can't point to a place where you offered yourself up for pocketing, you're saying that you were just offered up in general by your existence in this thread?

to be fair noraa and i have been in a majority of each others games at this point i think. i cant speak for her read of me, but i feel like i can sort noraa pretty well at this point.

not majority but close enough. Im unfortunately still bad at reading you :/

[Noraa]

So there was no specific moment that this actually happened, it was just a general statement?

when I basically offered myself up for pocketing

You can't point to a place where you offered yourself up for pocketing, you're saying that you were just offered up in general by your existence in this thread?

to be fair noraa and i have been in a majority of each others games at this point i think. i cant speak for her read of me, but i feel like i can sort noraa pretty well at this point.

not majority but close enough. Im unfortunately still bad at reading you :/

thats because in every single game we play together im town

T^T no fair

[Noraa]

And what seminar did I miss anyway where T^T became a thing? What is it?

too bad u missed the seminar :/

That came out stronger than intended. Can someone clue me in?

not after you were so insanely rude!!!!

buhahahaha

[Noraa]

two cents on mechanics/theory: given that the gladiate was a one-off i dont see any particular reason to think that there was necessarily scum in the gladiate. the first trial could well have been "pick 3 people who you think are scum" and if the trial failed, then those 3 townies all become the gladiate. had there been multiple gladiates that might suggest that the trials didnt directly determine who was in the gladiate, which would imply that scum was probably in the gladiate.

I think I understand this line of thought and shall agree with it

[Noraa]

I'm pretty sure I'm 0/2 for mislynching Taylor so I won't start there. She's super hard for me to sort. I always tend to SR her and be wrong so I'm laying off that one for now. But your lockdown is based on something that sounds really weak. "She didn't pocket me?" That's such a bad argument. I just don't think it's AI.

Let's start here. VOTE: Nosferatu

It is a bad argument, although I think Noraa is town.

I want to lean that way on tayl0r, but I'm not really confident on that. The effort she's putting in is a good look for her, although I believe I recall tayl0r saying high effort is NAI and low effort for her is only town.

this is true. im not sure i would call this high effort from me, but it isnt low-effort to the point where im a disengaged townie either.

That's fair, although you're high effort relative to the rest of us at least.

151 posts is nothing. absolutely nothing.

The fact that no ones really tried to solve me, sus me, or pocket me is honestly a weird feeling.
real weird :/
not sure what to think about everything considering only one slot has really interacted with me at all so far

I like your slot now

..............................

oh right, the pob long slot was nk'd - in before im trying to force a townslip.

the way this post was worded definitely feels like a very forced townslip.

i dont like that youre so hesitant to take a stance on me here glitch.

If I took a stance on you I would be voting you right now but Literally every game I have scumread you you end up town so my unwillingness to commit to that should be a town tell more than anything. Scum me would eagerly jump on you because it's easy for me to just SR right off the bat. Im still trying to figure out why :p

this just doesn't make any sense. Taylor is basically universally TRed or null here. Why in the world would scum jump on her? That vanity wagon would do nothing but make them look antitown :/

[Noraa]

Scum you wouldn't jump on her. Town you wouldn't either. Jumping on her is not AI so don't use it to say ur town.

[Noraa]

^I like the analysis. I have nothing to say since that's basically how it is. Im not too sure who to sus here and I just can't tell who is scum rn so I'm just clinging onto Taylor. I'm not pocketing. Taylor had a TR on me since before I would assume so there's not much a need to pocket.

However for this analysis, I'm adding u to the townblock.

[Noraa]

I won't lie. I don't like Vecna's look this game. My scum radar pinged a lot reading that iso

Have you ISO'd anyone other than DGB, Nos, Plusjoy and Vecna?

You shared some thoughts on the other three when you entered, but you've been scum reading Vecna since you entered and haven't really said why other than an occasional "that's a bad look" or something. What is it about Vecna that you scum read?

no I have not. Vecna's very inconsistent and fence sitty. Reminds me of my first scum game where I was both of those. Inconsistency can often come from a buddy whispering to you in the pt.

[Noraa]

VOTE: Glitch

cuz ur the Eddie replacement and Taylor thinks ur scum and I'll have a case on u soon after I ISO dive u

So you're suspecting him first, and coming up with the reasons to suspect him later. Yeah.. that usually isn't a good way to make a case. If you start with the conclusion and are looking for evidence to match it, you will find what you are searching for.

Taylor is my lock town rn and imma sheep her reads for now

VOTE: Glitch

cuz ur the Eddie replacement and Taylor thinks ur scum and I'll have a case on u soon after I ISO dive u

I'm not a fan of this, both because it's making it so that you don't need to defend your case, and because it feels like, for all your talk of not getting pocketed by TS, like you are trying to pocket TS.

Both of these posts are good.

this is shading me in a very indirect way. Not sure what to think here.

[Noraa]

Not so much shading as pointing out suspicious activity that I hadn't caught myself. I especially like the concept of projection pocketing. Both of these posts make me want to examine you more closely.

then examine me instead of shading me by giving people towncred for slightly Fosing me. If ur gonna Fos, then Fos. Don't hide behind other people and Fos.

I won't lie. I don't like Vecna's look this game. My scum radar pinged a lot reading that iso

Have you ISO'd anyone other than DGB, Nos, Plusjoy and Vecna?

You shared some thoughts on the other three when you entered, but you've been scum reading Vecna since you entered and haven't really said why other than an occasional "that's a bad look" or something. What is it about Vecna that you scum read?

no I have not. Vecna's very inconsistent and fence sitty. Reminds me of my first scum game where I was both of those. Inconsistency can often come from a buddy whispering to you in the pt.

What do you think about what DGB said about inconsistent play being townie?

inconsistent play is not townie. period.

[Noraa]

Taylor what do you think about the accusations that I'm trying to pocket you?

[Noraa]

U see any fishy business from me?

[Noraa]

T^T reveal please. My scum game desperately needs help.

[Noraa]

hmph T^T

[Noraa]

hmph >:(

[Noraa]

Taylor, that dog don't hunt.

You're nothing more than a noise machine making it harder for those of us who actually want to force scumhunting to happen. Either shut up and let people at the sidelines take center stage, do something to encourage them to do so, or stop bitching at the very problem you're creating to win.

wtf. be nice to Taylor. she's nothing but nice anywhere and most certainly here as well.

[Noraa]

Titus be a good sport. Taylor has been nothing but nice this round and every round. If you want to talk in terms of who's helping the game along the most, you shouldn't be yelling at her. you should yell at me. In terms of who's been the meanest this round, I'm certain its not her either. No matter what the standards are, this post is unacceptable.

[Noraa]

Honestly speaking, even if she's scum, she doesn't deserve that.

[Noraa]

I suppose I mean too much inconsistency is not towny cuz it means someone else is messy with ur opinions/reads

[Noraa]

Taylors not fake >:(

[Noraa]

Taylors not fake >:(

Sorry but she still goes woah is me and cries anytime I ask why Mara shouldn't be sorted. She never gives a reason. She's now trying to accuse me of being scum to avoid the very problems she's created.

Attacking others instead of taking responsibility for or trying to correct problems is fake.

perfectly describes how awesome and bomb town!Taylor is

[Noraa]

Mara is a beetlejuicing sheep. That's just the facts.

what's beetle juicing?

im not defending marashu. i just said i dont see any reason to put my vote there. you should feel free to put your vote there. and then explain why other than marashu is quiet. because other slots are equally quiet.

Because Mara is sheeping and leaving but until his one wolfy beetlejuice popin when I mentioned him. He had no content and left.

If you want to push any other no content slot, fine. We shouldn't go after the people who are actually trying though with scum just waiting for town to rip our own heads off. Your refusal to do that makes me feel you benefit from this gamestate.

have I produced any content? And I can't even be considered a lurker cuz I am constantly online and checking yet I'm not producing content. I fail to see why you choose to sus others for doing something I so obviously do more. I think unless Titus is obvtown bc of something, I might wanna ISO them to see if I can find some scumminess.

i pushed nos for two days with no traction. time to do something else. where were you when i was pushing the lurker slot?

Nos has not been a lurker slot but town. He's been obvtown since eod1

in what world is nos obvtown?

This thread. He's been obvtown since Suasade (another lurker) pushed on him. After that failed, Sausade peaced out.

that does not mean nos is obvtown lel. Sausage didn't even get limmed and flip red so that sus don't mean shit.

[Noraa]

for the record -____-

[Noraa]

Food trucks do rule

[Noraa]

Nos is kinda ... scummy especially with all this fluffy fluff :/

[Noraa]

I love it. its bootiful

[Noraa]

I feel like Titus is trying to hide behind Nos here so that if anything goes wrong, nos dies instead of her.

[Noraa]

that's not obvtown at all.

[Noraa]

preflip analysis isnt helpful here tho :/

[Noraa]

why the defeatism?

[Noraa]

LEL ur telling me ur town block is the three gladiated people minus plus cuz he done died? Ur hiding behind too many people.

[Noraa]

I don't like it.

[Noraa]

VOTE: Titus

[Noraa]

^I like the analysis. I have nothing to say since that's basically how it is. Im not too sure who to sus here and I just can't tell who is scum rn so I'm just clinging onto Taylor. I'm not pocketing. Taylor had a TR on me since before I would assume so there's not much a need to pocket.

However for this analysis, I'm adding u to the townblock.

I'm having such a hard time reading your slot and sorting between scum or just newb. And no offense meant by that. I'm a newb too lol.

then what was the point in this post?

[Noraa]

Wow its not like its easy to lie

[Noraa]

And the fact that glitch specifically said he got nothing else and knew what you were referring to is definitely concerning

[Noraa]

Nah I'm going back there
VOTE: Glitch

[Noraa]

Saying I'm a newb and its hard to read me is a hot excuse for not ever having to read into me again

[Noraa]

Lel i dont fake an excuse to not read someone. if they ask for one, they'll get one.

[Noraa]

also LEL so defensive. ur scum.

[Noraa]

Also with a 2015 join date you want to tell me ur as much of a noob as me. uh. ok then.

[Noraa]

I wasn't the one that asked about inconsistent play. someone else asked me and I answered. why is it important? I see zero solving from u.

[Noraa]

Noraa: I'm just gonna do what Taylor says, I'm not actually going to read anyone myself
Also Noraa: Omg Glitch is scum because he isn't reading me

Might policy lynch this tbh

I would get behind that before I would get on a Titus wagon.

Not as policy. But as scum. Noraa comes off as scum trying to mimic and seduce at once someone she knows is town.

VOTE: Noraa

lmao great reasoning.

[Noraa]

Lel Taylor if ur town and am convinced I'm town, nows the time to tell me those towntells of mine that u have been hiding

[Noraa]

The way some people jump on me is very unnatural :/

[Noraa]

or rather yes, im sure it would be good for town right now, but i dont want noraa to know what her tells are.

but but I wanna know ;(

[Noraa]

Why-why am I the only one that doesn't understand what my town tells r

[Noraa]

Noraa, you're really good at trying to look as scummy as possible.

Tayl0r is blinded by Noraa's sucking up and will never be able to peg Noraa as scum.

That's the whole point of Noraa's strategy, and human nature being what it is, it's going to work.

I too am aware of what Noraa's scum game looks like. She's more confident and extremely accusatory. She's slipping into it a bit >.>

I disagree that Tayl0r is being distracted by Noraa doing something, because when Noraa replaced in I also noticed a pretty distinct difference in Noraa's tone when she was referring to the PlusJOYED wagon/her read on it.

U-U so fidget I am now scum?

[Noraa]

Indeed I am very confident and tunnel as scum. whoever said I didnt do it as town tho?

[Noraa]

Im upset that I don't even know how people are TRing me rn

[Noraa]

Fidget ignore Taylor and tell me please

[Noraa]

U-U so fidget I am now scum?

Probably not but I guess I should actually try to read your slot better because you're slipping into the way I assumed scum!you plays.

You OMGUS with nonexistent reasoning and confidently call people scum for it. I imagine you are probably eliminated for that a lot.

LEL I absolutely do that. I do not get limmed for that a lot. It's my play and everyone's realized it at this point.

[Noraa]

Hmmmm, now i thought about something, it might be a bit far-fetched but hear me out :
Would scum!noraa care that much about what are Taylor's tell on her? Because she knows they're false anyways (unless taylor is scum too and we're witnessing some spicy scum theatre)

shush be quiet I'm waiting for my magical meta

[Noraa]

enlighten me. I must know >:(

[Noraa]

I will be an absolute car wreck if u don't tell me >:(
and I shall be mad >:(

[Noraa]

I love how Glitch just drops the SRs on me once only two players express TRs on me

[Noraa]

HMPH u guys r mean. I will bring in a friend after game ends to analyze >:(
I will find out what these towntells r so next time I roll scum u can't catch me :P

[Noraa]

Anyways I still think glitch is scum

[Noraa]

Ur hiding behind too many people.

You really need to stop making this argument when you openly hide behind TS.

nah I don't. the reads that I directly sheep, I say I do. I never hide behind someone and don't point it out.

[Noraa]

And Titus and nos have a very different thing going on. Titus is grouping her and Nos together.

[Noraa]

two accidental page tops in a row. YAYA

[Noraa]

Noraa is meta'ing herself and no one cares.

hmm DGB clinging onto this SR on me that glitch omgused is interesting. glitch immediately accepting Taylor and fidgets terrible reasoning and not pushing me anymore is strange as well.
The scum team is {DGB, Glitch, and one other mystery person}

[Noraa]

And the fact that glitch specifically said he got nothing else and knew what you were referring to is definitely concerning

Can you please clarify this? I don't understand what you're referring to when you say I "knew what you were referring to?" Sorry I know that's a confusing question I just don't understand what you're saying in this post.

go ask ur buddies in the pt.

[Noraa]

I said I didnt like her play earlier. Rn my mind is kinda occupied with these two and I don't think titus fits into the last slot.

[Noraa]

Taylor next round that I roll scum when ur town, imma wreck u for not telling me my town tells today ୧༼✿ ͡◕ д ◕͡ ༽୨
I keep grudges >:(

[Noraa]

Taylor ur read had Eddie but then dropped the slot when glitch replaced in and now picked it back up. what's the meaning behind this? and u never explained it either.

[Noraa]

I will destroy u hmph >:(

[Noraa]

I wasn't the one that asked about inconsistent play. someone else asked me and I answered. why is it important?

It's important because I want to understand what point you were trying to make. I know you weren't the one who asked. You answered. You made a statement about inconsistent play and I want to know what that looks like to you.

I see zero solving from u.

That's fine, I really don't feel like I'm in the witness box being questioned by you. You've demonstrated your own inability here and if you don't see the scumhunting, sorting, and solving that I've clearly been doing since the moment I replaced in, I don't see the value in pointing it out especially considering the fact that you're going to death tunnel me until I die or Taylor tells you to stop. I won't change your mind, and frankly, I don't need to.

I do want an answer about what inconsistent play is to you.

I don't want to answer just bc

Its not that ur not solving exactly. Its hard to explain. Ur solving but not with town motivation. U go around and call everyone scum and just hang onto vanity wagons and start vanity wagons. That's bothering me lots.

[Noraa]

Noraa: I'm just gonna do what Taylor says, I'm not actually going to read anyone myself
Also Noraa: Omg Glitch is scum because he isn't reading me

Might policy lynch this tbh

I would get behind that before I would get on a Titus wagon.

Not as policy. But as scum. Noraa comes off as scum trying to mimic and seduce at once someone she knows is town.

VOTE: Noraa

I'm trying to sort between whether I'm SRing her slot, want to PL her slot, or if I'm just feeling like voting for her because I feel OMGUSy and she's ruffled my feathers just a bit. Maybe I'll vote her because of all the things put together. Let me finish out the evaluation of TS and then I'll come back around to this.

Would scumNoraa treat TS this way?

lmao way to backtrack before u even drop a vote. Glitch is scum confirmed.

[Noraa]

HMPH
remember this day >:(
this day = Noraa mad = WAR

[Noraa]

Its not that ur not solving exactly. Its hard to explain. Ur solving but not with town motivation. U go around and call everyone scum and just hang onto vanity wagons and start vanity wagons. That's bothering me lots.

If you can't explain your position then you probably shouldn't be pushing it. I voted Nos with fully explained reasoning behind it and then it became an actual wagon with a few votes on it. That's not a vanity wagon. Then I just moved onto TS who already has other votes. I'm open to criticism and open to debate but I am no vanity voter in this game so far.

lel so ur nos SR just disappeared down the drain and in like two seconds got replaced by Taylor and Noraa?

[Noraa]

Ur SR on Nos had basically no reasons to back it up to

[Noraa]

Wow I love the explanation so much! So detailed. It was literally "I always read Taylor wrong so lets just vote nos"

[Noraa]

Would scumNoraa treat TS this way?

Take away all the unctuous grovelling, what you have left is a player that declares renouncing all responsibility for her reads, her play, and her votes, and putting it all in the hands of another player that she swears is town.

Only scum is ever this certain another player is town.

A player whose scumread she might fear.

Furthermore, how can one find Noraa's votes scummy without finding Tayl0r's votes scummy, since Noraa's votes are completely dependent on Tayl0r's?

If Tayl0r makes a bad vote, a bad move, who do you punish? Certainly not Noraa, she's just copying.

You'd have to punish Tayl0r, who would be the townie, and spare Noraa, who would be the scum.

if anything Taylor is the one swearing im town most confidently. get ur facts right lel.

[Noraa]

My working hypotheses are as follows:

[1] shellyc chose the 3 players that gladiated, and she chose players from her wagon, naturally.
[2] the gladiators were selected from fixed positions on the wagon, first (Nos), middle (me), and last (PlusJOYED).

Look at the final wagon:
shellyc (8)

Nosferatu

; EddieFenix; Pickaxe Pete;Titus;

DrippingGoofball

; Battle Mage; Fidget;

PlusJOYED

;

Or scums chose it and decided to do it this way so that they could blame it on shelly

[Noraa]

Taylor kept pinging me in the back and forth with Titus and how she handled that but going back and forth with her now she is giving me mixed vibes that make my gears turn a lot.

Also 1500 is very convincing and every post Noraa makes makes me more willing to vote there. I'll join.

VOTE: Noraa

nice OMGUS

[Noraa]

Or scums chose it and decided to do it this way so that they could blame it on shelly

Tell me more about what scums were thinking.

I just called u scum and u turn around and say "no u"

[Noraa]

The case on gypyx is miniscule and small. It has caused me to raise an eyebrow but nothing like TS or Noraa.

Spoiler: shameless self promotion

Also all you fine peeps go sign up for my mini normal. It's my first game to mod on site and I'd love to have some of y'all play.

would you really tho .. O_o

[Noraa]

Mara has talked like two times since I repped in

[Noraa]

what do u expect?

[Noraa]

I can't make a firm case that Mara + Noraa are scum. I can make a case that Noraa is scum. And I can make a case that there is nothing that rules out Mara + Noraa. I just can't make a solid case that it definitely is both of them together.

its almost like ur trying to force a SR together. LEL bad scum play

[Noraa]

God if all 4 of those are town, I will be shook. I actually have a hard time believing it.

[Noraa]

My solve right now is Mara, Pickaxe Pete and one of Gypex and Vecna.

The problem is all of those are vanity wagons. Scum don't give a damn who goes today because no one will vote scum with me.

mmmm I don't think that solve is right. even if I try to excuse my SRs, I don't think that solve is right.

[Noraa]

The solve is never just three lurkers. that'd have to be one hell of a coincidence

[Noraa]

how do u see im on?

[Noraa]

I don't really like this flash wagon so I have not joined in

[Noraa]

Ig thank you to my predecessors for making my slots townie energy shine thru since I kinda suck at that?
not like Gypyx wouldn't know if they .... did some meta on me :3

[Noraa]

how do u see im on?

I can see your name come up as the last poster on various threads.

Why do you not like this wagon? Because Pickaxe is a lurker?

ooop. I have a lot of threads and I tend to check the ones im more interested(no offense but no im not that interested in this game specifically)
axe hasn't been in my SRs even once. ofc I haven't really tried to solve this slot but either way he's not pinged my scum radar ... yet

I don't really like this flash wagon so I have not joined in

How come you're eager to sheep Tayl0r on everything, but you balk at Pickaxe Pete?

We have only 3 days left to eliminate. We're cooperating to consolidate our reads.

I dont sheep Taylor on everything.

[Noraa]

He just fluffs a lot is what I can tell :/

[Noraa]

His slot just scream MEH at me. I dont see anything fishy but I dont see anything towny so he is null.

[Noraa]

His slot just scream MEH at me. I dont see anything fishy but I dont see anything towny so he is null.

Why don't you take a fresh look at his ISO given he's the lead wagon?

will do.

[Noraa]

I dislike a lot of things in his ISO I must say but considering that no one else's ISO really looks better anyways, im not really convinced.

[Noraa]

I dislike a lot of things in his ISO I must say but considering that no one else's ISO really looks better anyways, im not really convinced.

WTF is this?

What do you not like in his ISO?

How does no one else look better than a slot you're actively disliking?

uh I dont exactly like anyone else's iso either

[Noraa]

Dont be so honest! It makes me sad ;(

why are you sus? so far all you have said is that u think im town until ur last post where u said I wasn't that towny.

[Noraa]

this progression of urs, while I haven't been paying that much attention to, is definitely not explained well and rather sudden.

[Noraa]

this progression of urs, while I haven't been paying that much attention to, is definitely not explained well and rather sudden.

Noraa, this wagon on me is bad. You need to switch to Nosferatu.

wrong person to pocket. I'm not even on ur damn wagon

GYPYX HAPPY BDAY!!!!!

[Noraa]

wait wait wait one more! Only Gypyx can look at the spoiler >:(

Spoiler:

[Noraa]

:3

btw I did remember u had unexplained TRs on me throughout the game?

[Noraa]

I'm pretty sure I am not mistaking u for someone else?

[Noraa]

*sigh* lemme iso dive u rq

[Noraa]

Did a quick and dirty ctrl f Noraa and yeah I think I misremembered. how am I being scummy? :3

[Noraa]

you said u liked my predecessor ..... Saudade was it? Idk don't remember who I repped in for.

[Noraa]

-__________-

how am I different from the ... "usual me"?

[Noraa]

-Huge amount of emotes, like really hugh

- Just a general feel that you aren't being that proactive

really? I personally don't see that but idk.
yeah my activity has been low but that's technically a good look cuz I'm generally more active as scum bc I'm worried imma get hammered or votes or whatever and I gotta be online to prevent that.

[Noraa]

got my eye on u fidget

what what ... why tf?

[Noraa]

got my eye on u fidget

blush

I found this absolutely hilarious so I had to quote it and say that.

The post right after this by Fidget was 10/10. I really really liked it. Fidget is in my townblock. I had doubts about her earlier in the game but I dont really think this slot has much possibility of being scum anymore.
The case on Pete is really good. Theres a lot of fishy stuff from him and from what I gather, he kinda laid low after for a bit and watched town tear itself apart before coming back hoping that most people would've forgot the case on him-which they did. I had this slot as null but am willing to lim them today.

[Noraa]

DGB I dont really think ur town atm and this aggressive pushing on Pete is making me think twice

[Noraa]

SEND TO THE TRIAL 1.7
Pickaxe Pete(Princess Leia) (6) Battle Mage; Marashu; Fidget; Tayl0r Swift; shellyc; PlusJOYED;

shellyc (5) Nosferatu; EddieFenix; Pickaxe Pete; Titus; DrippingGoofball;

Tayl0r Swift (2) pob long(viywern); RedPanda(Noraa);

Not Voting (2) Gypyx; Vecna;

That is a hell of a lot of town voting for Pickaxe d1 (With the exception of maybe Marashu).

Looks like it dissipated via BM and I switching to shelly and shelly switching to PlusJOYED. A nosferatu wagon got started with Tayl0r, Gypyx, and Saudade(Noraa).

shellyc (7) Nosferatu; EddieFenix; Pickaxe Pete;Titus; DrippingGoofball; Battle Mage; Fidget;

Nosferatu (3)Saudade; Tayl0r Swift; Gypyx;

Pickaxe Pete(Princess Leia) (2) Marashu; PlusJOYED;

Tayl0r Swift (1) pob long;

Not Voting (1) Vecna;

PlusJOYED (1) shellyc;

And then of course Plus had the idea to lolhammer here.

Maybe Eddie(Glitch) is that scum trying to push that there has to be 1 scum in the gladiate I've been waiting for and it really was all-town. Don't know. If Nosferatu is town, I'd expect there to be scum early on the shellyc wagon or perhaps meandering with their vote elsewhere. So Eddie/Pickaxe/Marashu fit that idea the best for me. Possibly Vecna although I somewhat like him. Also perhaps my Tayl0r read is wrong, she is a potential candidate because she's in the Titus/Nos!scum camp

Spoiler: shellyc wagon

i need no further explanation VOTE: shellyc

Nos sheeping Titus' "scumslip" claim

VOTE: Shelly

I trust Titus. Also going to be v/la this weekend. Be back on Monday.

Great, so nothing there really either same as Nos. Other than probably Titus being town if Eddie is scum. Eddie legitimately didn't have another post past this one.

I've seen enough to do this for now.

VOTE: shellyc

Wow the votes in this game have been pretty naked

Side note: I'm remembering all the scummy things Pete did early game rereading this. He never answered my question as to why he implied shellyc was informed he is scum (made absolutely no sense!!).

<<Titus has a huge post explaining why the VCA points to shelly being scum with Tayl0r or myself>>

I've seen enough to do this for now.

VOTE: shellyc

sigh

And then later BM and I swap and bam dead

So looking through here, I would be absolutely shocked if there isn't any scum in the "Yup let's do what Titus says

naked vote

" crowd. Our candidates haven't been too bad thus far

I'd vote Pickaxe pretty confidently if I knew Nosferatu was town. I'm going to be

very unhappy

if he's scum and we just let him get away with it this game

Titus' reason for townbinning Nosferatu is insane though

This post^ apologies it was not right after

[Noraa]

Pickaxe means 1687 and 1688, I believe.

I interpreted them as meaning you were suspecting DGB, but you are thinking about suspecting her less cause she's suspicious of Pete.

huh?

[Noraa]

DGB pushing on Pete is making me wonder if Pete is town.

[Noraa]

Her sussing of me felt really opportunistic. Glitch brought it up and dgb just clung to it like she was gonna die if she let go.

[Noraa]

Feels off considering she cant actually provide a case on me.

[Noraa]

Feels off considering she cant actually provide a case on me.

I feel like if I put my mind to it, I could make a case on you. That is probably true for most people here. You play very inconsistent and use a lot of far out logic which is easy to spin as scummy.

Regarding the opportunism point, maybe I guess? Why do you think scum!DPG feels the need to try and get you eliminated right now over everyone else?

DPG seems to pretty consistently find "sucking up" scummy. Even if it's me jokingly at Titus. You outright buddying tayl0r was not going to go well.

its definitely easy to make a case on me, I agree.

I'm easy LHF. whether or not I'm the biggest wagon, everyone knows getting me limmed is easy .... especially scum. I also saw that but the thing is that DGP's case on me has basically nothing to do with "sucking up"/buddying if I remember right.

[Noraa]

how many does it take to yeet? I think I'm leaning Pete tho one of my solid TRs(fidget) is on nos so thats making me think twice

[Noraa]

DGB and Titus why is Pete scum? convince me and I vote there instead of nos

[Noraa]

Lel i am town and out of u three, whichever is scum, if ur planning on a Taylor mislim, drop that cuz she'll get plenty of towncred for TRing me

[Noraa]

unless she's scum ... that'd be worrisome. but anyways Pete never had a case on me. glitch is really the only one that had a case on me.

[Noraa]

No not really. You just sheeped glitches whole case

[Noraa]

DGB conf Town now. No reason for scum!DGB to leave my wagon.

terrible reasoning and that goes without explaining.

but also sorry peoples for changing my avatar. be bamboozled for a bit.

[Noraa]

Lel i am town and out of u three, whichever is scum, if ur planning on a Taylor mislim, drop that cuz she'll get plenty of towncred for TRing me

What makes you feel like scum is planning on a Tayl0r miselim? Or are you basically just reiterating that you're town

I do think Taylor is a pretty likely mislim target if she's town

[Noraa]

I am indeed town.

[Noraa]

but I mean this game is full of lhf
Nos, Taylor and I are all LHF to some extent

[Noraa]

Honestly I dont find anyone here that towny tbh

[Noraa]

in other words this game is absolute scum paradise bc they threw in so many LHFs and scummy townies that scums have it easy

[Noraa]

but I mean this game is full of lhf
Nos, Taylor and I are all LHF to some extent

Disagree on tayl0r

Nos is just not present. Push him and you probably get called lazy.

You are actively trying to get yourself killed every time I log on

Incorrect Taylor has a history of getting limmed day 1.

[Noraa]

Ig it could be bc of Taylor's scummy playstyle but I would consider her LHF

[Noraa]

Lel I hope you realize that I just won a game as the last scum standing today. do you really think my scum game is this bad?

[Noraa]

Literally like half an hour ago.

[Noraa]

I suppose its possible she finally rolled scum?
idk I got pretty town vibes from her which ... is not normal

[Noraa]

My town block is still {Fidget, Noraa}
everyone else idk

[Noraa]

I think Pete is more scummy than nos. fidget why are you on nos I never quite understood :/

[Noraa]

I have not moved my vote yet and I'm hesitant to but seeing that the deadline is close and I need to go to sleep asap, VOTE: Pete

[Noraa]

I can try to town case myself but the basis is that my scumplay is not absolute garbage and I am much more present in the thread when I'm scum. There would not be a period of time where I was inactive.

[Noraa]

I have also not tried at all this game which is not at all my scum play. My scum play is be as try hard as fucking possible.

[Noraa]

Buddying someone this obviously I frankly, have never done before as either alignment but I mean no one engaged me at all first day I was here so I just decided to slack off.

[Noraa]

perhaps a bad idea but I think this wagon one me has a lot of people that never engaged with me until today and thats troublesome

[Noraa]

Glitch is really the only one on my wagon that has a case on me. DGB just clung to the case glitch made and Pete is obviously just there bc I'm the biggest counter wagon.

[Noraa]

anyways i have to go check my other threads and get to bed.

[Noraa]

Wooooooow I got fooled eh?
gg gg
Thank you mod for hosting!!!!!

[Noraa]

Btw why did I even die? O_o