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Yeah, I was going to come back to that, but I hadn't taken the time to read the previous two pages again.In post 3446, petapan wrote:If you're making an index of taylor posts i feel as though it's neglectful not to mention 1214 because that to me feels like one of the most crucial ones because it's very likely the exact opposite of what was going on
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She unvoted right after agreeing with him?In post 3460, Bell wrote:My nap was similarly unproductive. @Peta think taylor was projecting?
It didn't occur to me at the time but Taylor was voting Diamond while agreeing with him.
She's gunna drop misleading hints everywhere, I didn't know it at the time, but she really does always seem scummy/gets wagoned as town or scum. I wish I had asked her more questions about her experience level on this and any other sites she played on.-
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Presumably, all her interactions were fake. None of it feels like real suspicion to me and much of it is pure trollery. I could be a little biased, though!In post 3463, Bell wrote:There's really not enough information for me to draw a conclusion as to whether Taylor knew who was scum. /: She was traveling around. I think it's more strange she interacted with as many players as she did than the other way around given it's a large game.
@FF, I believe she did yes. It might have been a delayed relaxation. It felt off in retrospect. But hindsight 20/20, etc.-
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It's been about 5 days since he posted in the PT. If he weren't confirmed town by virtue of Tayl0r's flip and FG's post about the PT composition I'd be freaking out. :/In post 3495, Gamma Emerald wrote:Has Jake been active in the PT btw or is he just completely AWOL-
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Being confirmed town demotivates some folks, though. And also shuts down a channel of information for forming reads.-
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I'm dead tonight, SS.
If you're around tomorrow maybe we can talk about Tammy's semi-solve? Or we can look at my big wall of Tayl0r interactions and see if other things besides what I mentioned stand out?-
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Thoughts about Tammy's post?In post 3502, Cabd wrote:Need to make decisive wagon tomorrow.
Also need to decide on order for claims of non-masonries.
Sigh.
Long night.
Tomorrow morning.
In post 3459, Tammy wrote:In post 3458, petapan wrote:
i am not going to stop being annoying about this until i get my wayIn post 3454, Tammy wrote:I think that DS's position on that was silly because I don't think that's what's happening here, but I don't think it's scummy for him to have originally thought it.
I don't know people's indignation is starting to wear down the thoughts I had about them being scum.
It could also be my brain is total mush right now. Trying to parse through the bulge/peta stuff and kinda want to throw in with conviction.
I've been wondering if a bulge/nahdia/maybe midwaybear solve made any sense
my earlier scum reads on bell/gamma/DS are starting to wane with what feels like real indignation about their views and I'm not sure if it's because my brain is just dead today or not. Midwaybear I only really townread the first part of day one and he's dropped off significantly since then, but Taylor did interact with him a lot, so I'm not sure what that means.-
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I'm more curious about how you're feeling re Bulge.-
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cakez, diamond, bell, midway, nahdia, bulge, gamma
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Explain cakez?In post 3548, Bell wrote:Gamma, diamond, PETA, Bulge, cakez, Nahdia, midway.
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Have any of these reads besides peta changed?In post 3266, The Bulge wrote:off the cuff
Bell has been off this game but I wonder if he would be under as much scrutiny if he were playing, say, on an anonymous alt. I did iso bell already, and I can't find a lot that points to scum. just not a lot that points to town i'm afraid. I feel like this elim will either happen or not happen eventually regardless of my stance so I'm not gonna focus on it as much as I thought I might
midwaybear. noisy. weirdly complacent about things I feel should be pinging him despite his appearance of being extremely engaged in the game.
sircakez probscum, molding his reads to whatever best suits the gamestate and general consensus on several counts.
petapan's motives are a mystery to me, but his push on me doesn't feel any kind of genuine. very much need to iso.
Gamma's catchup isn't doing anything to impress me at all and there's been a good solid handful of wtfposts. I'd wagon this.
Diamond is probably scum or detrimental townie at the very best.
I haven't been able to get a decent read on Nahdia from how I have been interacting with the thread so far.-
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I seldom remember long enough to put into practice, but every time I see this sort of post, I think "things I should say when scum".In post 3584, Bell wrote:Do scum ever say this. /:
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I'm holding off voting because Bulge's current reads and thoughts ought to be in this thread.In post 3623, Cabd wrote:We're at 145 pages now... do we really need to hit 200 before the game day ends?
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He's showing up pretty much daily now?In post 3625, Cabd wrote:In post 3589, Cabd wrote:Meh I guessand nahdiabearsprobablyshouldtoo because that's my shooting pool if red flip.claim-
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I mean, I'm kinda expecting him to show up in the middle of my night.-
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meh.In post 3668, Cabd wrote:DS isn't happening.
Tammy doesn't like DS and that's influencing my read some.
I need you to have a well defined pool for pizza before day ends.-
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If it's final then we good.-
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I just want y'all to know that I'm not going to like putting a vote down on Bulge.-
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I'll vote tomorrow after Tammy and I discuss again, and if I have a true desire at that point I'll let you know.In post 3684, Cabd wrote:What does your heart want. Tell me. What is your truest desire.
Because fuck it I'll shoot that fucker dead to rights if that's what you want.-
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In post 3712, SirCakez wrote:can the conftown like do something kthx
Your dissatisfaction is noted.In post 3716, SirCakez wrote:
yeah I think so especially because I don't think this elim is guaranteed yet too much hesitance from the conftownIn post 3713, midwaybear wrote:Cakez, I get if Bulge scumreading the whole pool is scummy if presented as a normal readslist. Considering these are perhaps his legacy reads, is it still scummy then?-
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I'm basically ready to vote now, but since Bulge said he'll be back this afternoon, I want to give him time for that.-
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I'm ok with your plans. my reads/read strengths are shifting a bit over the last 24 hours, but I don't feel ready to set sail with them.In post 3722, Cabd wrote:
Did your wheels within wheels within hearts pick anything special up for me?In post 3719, fferyllt wrote:I'm basically ready to vote now, but since Bulge said he'll be back this afternoon, I want to give him time for that.
If that changes before hammer, I'll let you know.
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YaYa sisterhood thankyouverymuch.In post 3725, Cabd wrote:
I wish FakeGod had given me the role I asked him for the first time, a 16-shot daycig.In post 3724, fferyllt wrote:On a semi-related topic how do you feel about Cakez' recent posts?
It's like a dayvig, but they die of lung cancer instead.
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But yeah, they've been uh... fine? Still have him near the top of the list and willingness to yell at the retirement home for masons is probably re-enforcement of that?-
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vote: The Bulge
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I had my vote where my heart wanted it.
You shoot where you think scum are given the flip. A slice of pizza tends to focus the pizza-holder's mind.-
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You should re-iso me if you think that's the only reason I've put out about you.In post 3756, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Pretty much the only legitimate reason I’ve seen you put out about me is the fact my catch ups are mastina-style. I have pointed out the fact that they actually differ in a way that should actually quite significantly allay your concerns about me, and stated that I’m like this as both alignments in multiple contexts, but you still have held onto this point like a treasured childhood doll. Is there really nothing else to the read? Why haven’t you acknowledged my response to this point seemingly ever? If this read on me really is all that it seems to be, I definitely look forward to rolling scum against you.In post 2246, fferyllt wrote:I'm a little less sanguine about Gamma, but would be willing to discuss. Still not entirely comfortable about that mastina-style catchup while all sorts of shit was going on in real time.
You backed off your DS push but I didn't like the way you went about backing off any more than I liked the way you used my question to DS as the launch-point of your push.-
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I don't think there's enough time and I don't think there are enough people scumreading Gamma to make it worth the effort.In post 3760, Cabd wrote:If you want to swing back there, you have my support, and my idiot kid brother-lurker's support.
I am more than quixotic enough to fold my arms and stick to my vanity wagons. This doesn't feel like the time to do that. However, I do want my concerns and druthers in this thread for day 3.-
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It warms my heart that trajectory is still a thing after my self-exile.-
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the make up of the two main wagons is kinda troubling.
I think that it's possible some of the non-masons have better reads because they have the typical game perspective of "in/out of elim-pool based on my play". That's a channel of info that's mostly lacking in the Gamma wagon.
It's conceivable that either wagon could be entirely town-driven. But there has to be at least one scum on one of the two main wagons.-
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Who of the (supposedly) conftown do you think are lying?In post 3846, midwaybear wrote:One wagon is all unconfirmed towns and the other is almost all (supposedly) confirmed towns. Wonder how this should make me feel.-
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Who?In post 3849, Nahdia wrote:how many scum remaining are we assuming? 2? yeah fmpov, two scum just hopped aboard that flash wagon. does make me a little iffy, though pre-emptive VCA is a grave sin.-
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I'm suggesting that it's within the realm of possibility that Bulge is scum.In post 3862, SirCakez wrote:
For there to be scum in the Gamma wagon either Bulge is scum or one of the conftowns is actually scum somehowIn post 3848, fferyllt wrote:the make up of the two main wagons is kinda troubling.
I think that it's possible some of the non-masons have better reads because they have the typical game perspective of "in/out of elim-pool based on my play". That's a channel of info that's mostly lacking in the Gamma wagon.
It's conceivable that either wagon could be entirely town-driven. But there has to be at least one scum on one of the two main wagons.
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I'm going to give this another try at explaining where my head is at.
This is a situation where no conftown are on the Bulge wagon. Maybe having that additional channel of info -- how the non-masonries are reading each other explains that, or if the wagon has scum presence.
Gamma's wagon isn't going to tell us much if he flips town.
These are considerations outside my reads of both Bulge and Gamma.
I'm not suggesting this is reason to change votes. It's just an acknowledgement of the gamestate as I see it.
I'll consider moving to Nahdia if there's enough energy around that, especially if their wagon doesn't become super polarized like the composition of these two wagons.-
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Talk me out of it if you think this is a bad idea.In post 3878, Cabd wrote:Oh my.-
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You're my strongest non-confirmed townread peta. It feels strange going against Assassin's choice here.-
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Why?In post 3895, Bell wrote:
I feel the exact opposite of this.In post 3894, Alisae wrote:I feel like bulge's flip provides more information in general-
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How does this impact the info you get from his flip?In post 3899, Bell wrote:
I get less from wall posts than naturally occurring (or unnaturally occurring) interactions. Because I think more care is put into the wall post than the spaced out posts.In post 3897, fferyllt wrote:
Why?In post 3895, Bell wrote:
I feel the exact opposite of this.In post 3894, Alisae wrote:I feel like bulge's flip provides more information in general-
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This post really bugs me.In post 3933, Gamma Emerald wrote:In contrast, I definitely AtE’d there in response to the wagon on me-
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It struck me as off because I didn't move my vote off Gamma because of his AtE post. I feel a hint of smugness behind the words, like there was method and measure to the AtE post and it was successful. Maybe I'm reading into the tone incorrectly. I also feel like he mischaracterized my interactions with DS to his detriment (before the backoff), and this is another one, in a way.
Also, a subtext of : "AtE, ur doing it rong" to Bulge in this post.-
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I am, too. It's a hard, crazy year for a lot of people, and it just keeps grinding away.In post 3939, Bell wrote:Oh. That actually kinda makes sense. I'm weak to aTe though.
Even nahdia's whatever, eliminate me post got me shuffling.
When a lot of AtE hits the thread the differences in tone and in player reactions becomes part of the data flow.-
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It got you shuffling, but not enough to vote elsewhere?In post 3939, Bell wrote:Oh. That actually kinda makes sense. I'm weak to aTe though.
Even nahdia's whatever, eliminate me post got me shuffling.-
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Your pool still the same as last time Bulge was at E-1?In post 3960, Cabd wrote:My urge to pull a Syr is non-zero.
But technically, that right belongs to the yayas first.-
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seeya tomorrow!
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This is an odd reactionIn post 3981, SirCakez wrote:fucking finally-
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I was going to hammer a ~townread. I had a yaya hammer image picked out and everything. Cabd saved me that fate, anyway.In post 3986, petapan wrote:everyone seems town and no one seems town-
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Please elim midway tomorrow.-
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Do you think bulge is lying about being town after the hammer?In post 4006, SirCakez wrote:Why? I've already been annoyed by the constant wagon switching and kerfuffling by the conftown for a while.
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That's what seems odd to me about your reaction.In post 4010, SirCakez wrote:Maybe
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Grats town!
Thanks DGB!
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I loled.In post 5731, DrippingGoofball wrote:
search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keyw ... 1&start=75In post 5730, Alisae wrote:
Link?In post 5729, DrippingGoofball wrote:
WellIn post 5721, Alisae wrote:Hey DGB, what do you think of this? Do you think this is a strong enough reason for a villager who only has the information in their role pm that they are town, to fakeclaim mason lovers with another villager?
Once in a hydra with kuribo... we fakeclaimed mason with dramonic... we were town and so was he!-
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thank you so much for the game, fakegod, it was so much fun relitigating Deaths Diner. I am super happy with our dethy play and was very sad to die so early even though I expected to.-
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You didn't fake claim in a way that led town to believe a scum player was confirmed town. It sure didn't involve late-game mis-eliming a couple of town players who put their hearts into the game, too. And it left the other town player in elo trying to judge between two players who had fake-claimed in a way the converted what was on the way to a town stomp into a potential loss. If Tammy's replacement hadn't been a god tier player I'm not sure it would have been a win.In post 5855, Something_Smart wrote:It's funny, Cabd and I also fakeclaimed and we don't seem to be catching much shit for it.-
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Pooky you were a lot of fun to play with. You have the social manipulation aspect of this game down to a very fine virtuoso art! I don't think I've ever played with a scum player who made the game more enjoyable all the way up to that final moment where you had to turn on someone and stab them in the heart!-
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Scum team PLEEEEZE let us see your PT.
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