Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Endgame]

[midwaybear]

I find you scummy but I also feel like if you're town there's more can be doing to both make it clear and help solve the game, potentially doing both at once.

Yes there is. It's a bit sad for me looking at my early game attitude compared to right now.

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you feel like it's something that will improve over time? If so I'm willing to give you that chance but I don't want to stick my neck out for a long shot on a slot I personally find scummy.

[Something_Smart]

Do you not see how DS was scummily angling to try and set the stage the push you by trying to discredit the very reason you are conftown?

Right, let's push the mason who's also a vig and also an influential and strong player with several conftown friends, that's a great scum strat ???

[midwaybear]

No promises. The game will probably get easier as it goes on though.

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you not see how DS was scummily angling to try and set the stage the push you by trying to discredit the very reason you are conftown?

Right, let's push the mason who's also a vig and also an influential and strong player with several conftown friends, that's a great scum strat ???

I didn't say DS was playing well, did I? He probably viewed it as the best option due to feeling pinned down by all the conftown.

[Something_Smart]

So why is he not pushing us then

[fferyllt]

I think my personal pool today is {Gamma, Midway} for the elim. Then shooting pool is depending heavily on those flips and other thoughts I won't get into here.


But spayhalf has Thoughts and Thoughts are to be loved and cherished and respected.


Want to hear opinions form the other ya-yas, and from your lover.

With you on this. Also feeling a possible Bulge elim because of peta's conviction.

I'm working on a big stupid wall about Tayl0r's posts. And yes, I feel pretty dumb for doing it but I'm nearly finished so I'll go ahead and post it.

[Gamma Emerald]

So why is he not pushing us then

Because when he tried to start, he got given a hard "no".

[Cabd]

Also we should decide if we want the entire elim pool to claim (ironically nobody besides the confotowns has), and if so, in what order.

[Something_Smart]

But somehow he didn't see that coming?

That has nothing to do with desperation, that just has to be obtuseness. But if he were that obtuse why would he let people's responses stop him from pushing us?

[petapan]

I find you scummy but I also feel like if you're town there's more can be doing to both make it clear and help solve the game, potentially doing both at once.

Yes there is. It's a bit sad for me looking at my early game attitude compared to right now.

i was going to say something to the effect of "your day1 looked so town"

[midwaybear]

Unfortunately, some people just fall off as scum, so that might not be helpful.

[midwaybear]

Diamond's push was never very hard/strong in the first place, and it is not like his suspicious have went away either.

[Cabd]

Unfortunately, some people just fall off as scum, so that might not be helpful.

...lmao the irony.

[midwaybear]

I mean that was directly referencing your supposed scumtell on me

[fferyllt]

Wait for the morphheads to get their catnaps, and then yeah, we'll act tonight and get on with it.

Sadly, no catnap.

It feels like useless idle speculation, but players Tayl0r mentioned more than once:

Prior to Dethy reveal

Midway:
211Picked up on what she (and I and probably half the players) thought was a neighbor crumb.
252 sarcasm about engaged and focused town (sort of a pooky defend)
386 Called Midway and DS scum
392 at least one of midway and DS scum because of interactions
1094 Asked Midway why Gamma's post about OMG TAMMY TOWN was a townpost
1234 Asked Cabd why midway is a strong townread

Pooky:
251 backhanded attack on pooky about RP in reply to Cakez
252 backhanded defense of pooky about RP in reply to midway
1111 start of back and forth about whether to play catchup or skip to real time 1113 more


Cabd:
212Used my dethy post to him to crumb traitor by suggesting Cabd would betray me. -- convenient way to crumb traitor.
1234 Asked Cabd why midway is a strong townread

252 Haircolor post


DS:
260 Who am I buddying?
386 Called Midway and DS scum
392 at least one of midway and DS scum because of interactions
385 Votes DS
1098 Agrees with DS about not liking Bell but liking Bell wagon less
1099 Unvotes DS, wants more from SS
1283 asks if she's the only one townreading DS
1294 1297replies to peta about people scumreading DS


Alisae:
284 votes Alisae
289 297 300(?) trollery
1121 asks about reads list format

SS:
311 Asks SS why he jumps in on Bell on midway's behalf
323 trollery
329 Calls SS Town
348 oh snap u right
Unvotes DS wants more from SS

SirCakez
251 "Ur Scum" over liking the RP
1145 tells Cakez not to lie about her

petapan
334 Tells petapan not to abuse her tendency to townread people who pocket her
392 398 responds to peta's push about midway/DS scum
404 asks for peta's reads
406 "same, honestly" to peta's "no"
1294 1297 1308 1310replies to peta about people scumreading DS
1358 asks why DS is now a scumread


Bulge
1122 replies to his question about why she's asking questions about the reads list format
1524 replies to his post about difficulty getting stuck in the game with a comment about the 2012 cohort

Bell
311 Asks SS why he jumps in on Bell on midway's behalf
1098 Agrees with DS about not liking Bell but liking Bell wagon less
1135 Weird post about Bell's grandparents being spies.
1529 troll about bell reading

Gamma
1094Asked Midway why Gamma's post about OMG TAMMY TOWN was a townpost

2012 Cohort
Agrees with Bulge about difficulty getting engaged, says she's having trouble parsing 2012 posts

Reads After Dethy Reveal

1647 Jake traitor
1689 SS town
1690 "stronger townread on SS and scumreads on peta and bell."
1692 "midway is scum too. pooky feels not great but im not sure yet."
1752 Asks about midway saying not in a neighborhood after "softclaiming" (her word) neighborhood earlier
1763"gl with the 2012 cohort"

Players she didn't mention:

Nahdia
Syryana

Players she hardly mentioned

Cabd
Bulge
tammy - 1437fortune cookie post
fferyllt - hair color post, traitor crumb (links above)

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Stuff that sticks out

1690 "stronger townread on SS and scumreads on peta and bell." -- could be my confbias but given the differing depths of interactions I feel like this could mean Bell-scum. Otoh Bell's reaction the the grandparent post feels counter to that.
Posts to bulge feel low-engagement. Maybe because Bulge wasn't around much to interact with? After the dethy announcement bulge was more focused on the rest of the dethy than on Tayl0r.
Posts to Cakez are at about the level of engagement she had with me :/

[Gamma Emerald]

But somehow he didn't see that coming?

That has nothing to do with desperation, that just has to be obtuseness. But if he were that obtuse why would he let people's responses stop him from pushing us?

See, what baffles me is how you can view Bell's approach as scummy but give DS a pass for a handling of your claims that is way worse
This is towards the entire mason pair group

Anyway, the thing that probably seals it for me is the way DS reacted after being rebuted. He dug in his heels and tried to find another angle. That includes the other thing I called out of ditching his initial logic of what the alignment of the mason could be and taking on fferyllt's idea that she put out as a sort of counter-theory to demonstrate DS' thinking as illogical.

[fferyllt]

ewww my formatting. oh well

[Something_Smart]

See, what baffles me is how you can view Bell's approach as scummy but give DS a pass for a handling of your claims that is way

worse

bad != scum
bad != scum
bad != scum
bad != scum
bad != scum

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean worse in a scummy way
Bell immediately corrected and tried to make things right. Diamond persisted in trying to pick at the townblock.

[Something_Smart]

Bell's response definitely sounds like the scummier out of the two when you put it that way...

[petapan]

If you're making an index of taylor posts i feel as though it's neglectful not to mention 1214 because that to me feels like one of the most crucial ones because it's very likely the exact opposite of what was going on

[Tammy]

But somehow he didn't see that coming?

That has nothing to do with desperation, that just has to be obtuseness. But if he were that obtuse why would he let people's responses stop him from pushing us?

See, what baffles me is how you can view Bell's approach as scummy but give DS a pass for a handling of your claims that is way worse
This is towards the entire mason pair group

Anyway, the thing that probably seals it for me is the way DS reacted after being rebuted. He dug in his heels and tried to find another angle. That includes the other thing I called out of ditching his initial logic of what the alignment of the mason could be and taking on fferyllt's idea that she put out as a sort of counter-theory to demonstrate DS' thinking as illogical.

But town should be looking at the claims skeptically.

[Gamma Emerald]

Bell's response definitely sounds like the scummier out of the two when you put it that way...

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DS isn't looking at the claims skeptically, he's trying to attack through them
If he was skeptical about the claims he would have naturally happened across the thought the cabd-SS mason pair could be scum claiming together, instead he had to be spoon-fed that idea, at which point he realized it made a lot more sense than the drivel he was pushing and made it his own thought process with no regard for his old beliefs.

[Gamma Emerald]

As for Bell, I have already said I have done the exact same misplay he did as town, and I can tell you

for a fact

there are people who should be backing this up