BooneyToonz XIV: A Little Boonie Told Me [END]

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Reiso?

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I loom forward to HBB being a bit more proactive... maybe like a reads list?

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Ydra could you link one of your scum games that has 100+ posts, you don't need to comment on it and it doesn't need to be representative of anything in particular

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I just realized I mixed up pelican with tsunami lol

VOTE: Tsunami Slayer

One could argue this post is mildly townie, more for the mixup than the vote

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I did like her leantown on me in 1296 but beyond that she could use like a readslist and some more content so a wagon there isn't unreasonable

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Ydrasse scum:

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Forest Fire.

Danke

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Hmm ok so ydra does do the little thing I noticed as scum too, I'll have to find some town games now

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I just realized I mixed up pelican with tsunami lol

VOTE: Tsunami Slayer

One could argue this post is mildly townie, more for the mixup than the vote

Were you thinking this before I pointed it out earlier?

No but I think I forgot who mentioned it and was just looking at the iso again.

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Fair.

Having now looked at ydra town and ydra scum, the thing I noticed is just NAI

However I will make a different quick inference. Ydra as town you seem more analytical and as scum you seem chattier, and in this game you feel chattier which is closer to your scum tone. Would you say there's a reason for that (playerlist, content, etc.?)

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I first mentioned this, HUB. I think it over-complicates the alignment -- Sam's playing overall more like scum than anyone else in the game.

Tbh I can kinda see it, but I'd like a bit more of an argument if possible just so I don't feel like you're looking more for lhf. Why is she scum and not lazy town?

Pedit: you might havr just answered this one sec

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Having now looked at ydra town and ydra scum, the thing I noticed is just NAI

What's the thing? I'd like to hear more about Ydrasse. This player is difficult to sort without more testing, for sure.

Ehh the thing I was looking at is that she tends to announce when she's logging on and going offline which is a behavior that is slightly scum indicative for certain types of players. Gor ydra it seems to be nai playstyle tho since she does it as both alignments

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VOTE: sam

I'll join on this until we get a reads list at least and some content

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Yeah that's fine, certain people only make a point of vibing in thread as scum is just something I've noticed lol. You don't seem to be in that category tho

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What're your reads?

right now:
probably mafia: shoshin, aristophanes
lean mafia: ydrasse, bef
lean town: hub
town: hbb, endless
n/a everyone else

Tbf to sam tho I don't really hate this list, it just feeld stale. I'd like to see where GX and whoever else is missing fit in now

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Yeah, TGP and Gamma

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why half ass the bus
and why give the planned NK a last chance to speak?

lol I don't think scum plan their nightkills until the night starts dude

if Taly had flipped and said something like "lol im tunneling ircher all day tomorrow" then maybe she's still alive day 2

scum want to know where people's reads are at end of day so they know how to optimize kills

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just read my posts and then come forth with any questions you still have
I don't wanna retread ground I don't have to

do you think shoshin forgets the last time you talked about this point as town?

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#1813, more on this now? You're making a lot of assumptions about what scum will and won't do without giving a compelling argument for why X is behaving like a scum lord.

this post is kinda scummy tho lol

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#1813, more on this now? You're making a lot of assumptions about what scum will and won't do without giving a compelling argument for why X is behaving like a scum lord.

this post is kinda scummy tho lol

Why?

cause even if shoshin's scum that was a pretty townie post and a lot of her analysis was actually pretty good, and complaining about the lack of a more specific argument against Sam when the concerns with Sam were pretty reasonable is quite scummy

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I mean the thing is, here's the situation
offwagon living players are Ydra, Shoshin, Ari, and GX

so if scum were totally disorganized and didn't bus, fmpov, those are the slots you'd look for. I'm not sure vax was so DOA that all of his buddies bussed, but honestly with the angle-shoot argument it's possible. I'd still be maybe a little surprised, I'd think kinda 1 off 1 on right now at a guess.

That does mean clearing off wagon has an appeal. Ydra has had occasionally pretty townie content although I disagree with the argument off meta she's town. Ari is... pretty underwhelming. As a claimed VT he's a fine compromise given he's gone back to not playing as soon as the pressure dissipated

Shoshin comes and goes for me, I actually think her wallpost on analysis on the Vax wagon was her towniest content yet although I still have lingering issues with her entry into the game

GX I think is probably just town through occam's razor, although there's room for error there

on wagon, there's 7 votes.

wagon: Gamma Emerald, Bell, Happy Birthday Boonskiies, TheGoldenParadox, Endlesshelley, BrightEyedFish, Ircher, Samantha97

gamma -- trying to remember if he'd bus like that. maybe? think hes town tho
bell -- don't like your posts rn, I thought your engage with me earlier this dayphase was ~slightly townie tho
HBB -- hard to sort since he dropped off, meta leans town but not overwhelmingly so
TGP -- I kinda thought the hard emphasis on the angleshoot was kinda maybe more town? but he was late enough on the wagon it's not for sure. but tbh he's low content but I don't feel like I've hated any of the content he has dropped?
shelley -- I actually don't like a lot of her post-noraa posts, but I also didn't like her pre-noraa posts, but I still kinda think she's town so... oh well
BEF -- seems like a a likely bus tbh
Sam -- I'm okay with this flipping scum too tbh

if it's a 4-man team I'd probably say 2 on, 1 off, with at least one of the scum being toward the tail end of the vax wagon trying to get in before it was too late to get any cred and maybe panicing because too much scum was off wagon

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Read their post again and ask yourself if you can tell which came first, the read or the result.
Also, no? Not really. Now seems like a good time to read them in depth and not just be content with big post hurr must be town.

I didn't say hurr must be town

she said that of the vote movement while vax was going down, sam's content can reasonably have a scum agenda

now she did ignore me making a couple stupid posts defending vax but I think that's because she's still bracketing me off, but if you do just ignore my slot I kinda agree with her that sam could plausibly look like scum avoiding the counter-wagon that happened to also be on scum

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I think her argument about why she was town off the mech of the claim was too convoluted to come from scum basically, if I was just going off the content of her posts I'd probably say she was scum

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that was about shelly if it wasn't obvious

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I mean she was casing to refute the idea that Sam was unlikely to be scum based on being a counter-wagon to Vax, so yes it was written from the POV that Sam was likely to be scum... I mean that's how cases work? Some people don't like cases but idk, I feel like we're not on the same wavelength atm

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go to sleep and when you do I want you to channel your dreamstate into a a vision quest that will reveal BEF's alignment

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Enchantress would be the boon bank role, not the variant

larges have 2 variants usually so I'd expect scum to have a variant here

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@Boonskiees, can the town magical fairy self-target?

Pelican self-targeting would mean the kill would resolve on their slot even if they were targeted by enchantress.

UNVOTE: for now

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Welcome, The Pelican Brief, you are a Town Magical Fairy [Mutated Inverted Voyeur].

Abilities:
• [Voyeur] At night, you may target a player. You will learn what type of action was performed on that player, but not by who.
• [Inverted] If your target is "away from town" or "in another universe", your action will still succeed, and you will allow all other actions performed on your target to succeed, even if it would normally fail from modifiers such as "Disloyal".
• This is a variant role.

Win condition:
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.

Game thread is here. . Confirm by replying to this PM with your role name.

actually I'm confused how NAR would resolve for this to be the case

enchantress effect applies first, which results in the condition "in another universe", which then allows the inverted self-target of voyeur to resolve which then allows night kill to resolve?

tbh it seems kinda weird that voyeur would resolve after enchantress but I guess?

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Taly would also I guess have to be a real life lightning rod lol

or maybe scum have some ability which causes multiple abilities to be targeted to one player? a scum redirector ability would probably fit with a commuter meme, although I'm getting a bit deep into setup spec now

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We could actually finish mass claim with the caveat that town investigatives can claim VT for today only

we have 3 tprs and 2 vts claimed, I'm not sure what merit there is in *not* finishing mass claim now

invests don't have to claim today because sam is already claimed town protective and I feel like it's relatively unlikely town has a second protective with the commuters in the game, although that is something that could also be left to town invest discretion

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well there was just a kind of spicy claim but actually I'd say it's mostly just been discussion for the last 7 pages?

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to be clear anyone here with a variant or boon bank role should at this point claim because I would functionally treat that as a counter-claim to Sam's alignment, the likelihood that scum have no variant/boon roles is probably 0%

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if enchantress and both commuters are town you would think scum would have some way of interacting with commuters, yeah

the other possibility being maybe like GX was scum ascetic and just changed his claim to commuter because it would get him towncred from shelly but that still seems oddly convoluted to me

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Why would you use your role on Pelican instead of checking alignment of an inactive player. This seems completely inconsistent with your behavior so far.

a) important to protect them if they are town
b) if they aren't town, it's important to know that; I was gonna ask if anyone targeted me day 2

You're a parallel universe, Sam?

? no

On this, how did them being a claimed pr factor i to your reasoning?

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Wow we have exactly one day left to come up with a good wagon

I kinda want to see a townblock in like Shelly/GX/Sam/TGP. I know, that's maybe an against the grain townblock, but I think it works tbh?

so hub is town
gypyx is town
ydrasse is town
...and that's it. i'm not sure why it's been so difficult to establish a solid townblock this game but i'll read back over and give a readslist in a bit.

for TGP, this post just feels very very town to me. I don't even hate Shelly and TGP adding Ydra to solid townblock even though I'm not sure I'm there yet myself.

Actually rereading the posts that set shelly off on GX, he doesn't actually even directly claim commuter, he just says he 'confirms' ... idk I think scum would definitely maybe throw out a shitpost, see shelly grapple with it, and then roll with the change in claim. That being said I did like his day 1 interaction with me. If I'm wrong in the townblock it could be there but I'm still okay with GX town for now. The point in 1687 also isn't bad although a little wifomy

I do believe sam's claim and tbh I think she's strongly town for it

and shelly I think the convoluted nature of her read on GX is way more likely to come from town, like she's clearly trying to solve the game even if she's doing so in a way that has a minor playstyle clash with me at times.

but I'm having a damn hard time coming up with a good compromise for town tbh

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Sure, but the problem is your gamma case doesn't do much for me

I'll offer a few reasons to vote Gamma:

1. His vote for Vax wasn't based on scumreading Vax. He even attacked players for voting Vax prior to replacement, which didn't make any sense at all.

2. Gamma's vote was stuck on Vax on D1. This explains why scum felt unable to shift votes in a coordinated way onto a CW - they had someone voting Vax already who couldn't justify leaving the wagon without appearing scummy.

3. Pelican kill comes from Gamma more than anyone else, because Gamma has a lot of experience with Titus & doesn't want to deal with that meta experience coming into play. From a scum POV, Gamma more than anyone wants Pelican out of the game.

4. Gamma's reads don't make any sense. Why he town read Ari? Unclear. Why he town read BEF? Unclear. His recent vote on me is particularly bad because (a) I'm just starting to get in the game more, which is a massive town tell, not a scum tell; (b) Gamma has enough prior experience with me to know that I ask a lot of questions as town, so calling these questions performative doesn't fit at all. Gamma alos knows better than to just lynch me at this point without giving me a chance to find the scum. It just doesn't fit at all.

1 is fair, but 2 is conjecture that relies on too many assumptions about gamestate. 3 I... don't get at all? Unless you can show a game where Titus really nailed Gamma or something. 4 I subjectively disagree with; he townreads Ari because of meta BS and is making actually a similar argument about Ari that you're making about BEF in terms of being fadebaity. I also am not sure I buy the idea that gamma would 'know better than to just lynch [you]'... I'm pretty sure Gamma does whatever the hell Gamma feels like doing as either alignment lol

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like I guess I can see a world where 1 is enough for you but you should probably go back to focusing on gamma's vax progression then, that's definitely the strongest part of your argument if you do think gamma is scum

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I do believe sam's claim and tbh I think she's strongly town for it

The claim is believable, but I'm unsure what it means about alignment at this time. I don't think roles ever indicate alignment in any particular direction, especially when we don't know the setup yet.

For Sam to be scum, Sam would have to have either:
-bluffed, which would maybe require a motion detector or something for scum, to *know* exactly who pelican targeted
OR
-targeted the scum nk with a commute (which makes no sense so we can dismiss)

that leaves us with scenario 1, like, I just don't think sam bets the game unless they already know the town invest structure. otherwise having a watcher confirming pelican went anywhere else in the game n1 basically confirms sam as scum. It just seems like a pointlessly risky and convoluted bluff for scum to push toward on day 2. I think she's just town

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Is there any reason to believe boon bank role is town? From what I know about Flavor, he likes to give scum room to try unorthodox strategies, so I don't see why he wouldn't give scum Sam's role. It gives scum a lot flexibility, allowing a roleblock or a protection on partner or self. It also fits the game's theme in some respects -- a scum who creates parallel universes. It's about 50/50, I think.

Sam's role not working introduces chaos & WIFOM that scum traffic in. It's precisely how I'd expect scum to claim the role. And if Sam commuted, she'd know that nobody could prove her claim wrong. It's a WIFOM paradise for scum, which is precisely what Flavor loves as scum. So it just makes sense that our mod gives this role to scum.

Right now, I'm going off the assumption that scum have an obviously unclaimed variant role. While it's possible scum would get a variant and a boon bank role, I think it's much more typical for town to get 1 variant and 1 boon role and scum to get 1 variant. That's like the 'default' large boon madness setup. Certainly there can be exceptions and there's no hard reason to think the role is town simply for being an enchantress. I more think sam is town for claiming enchantress and saying she targeted pelican in a manner that seems to require pelican to have self targeted. Nothing about her role so far introduces chaos and wifom, instead she's basically claiming a 'de facto' tracker result on Pelican brief and giving us more information about what happened n1.

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Why wasn't there a CW on D1? You need to explain this in a way that makes sense if you want to find scum.

vax's predecessor got angle-shot and vax himself refused to claim for literally no reason

the slot gave scum nothing to work with to deflect the wagon

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it makes sense to have town Pelican's role with scum enchantress

this is interesting to think about but without more knowledge about the setup I wouldn't necessarily make this leap yet

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I don't mind dumping Ari, if only so he can focus on classes and get better grades lol

also him hard ditching the thread as soon as pressure was off is weak AF

hmm so we're commuter fiesta this game

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Nikk - Vanilla Townie
Alchemist21 - Town Miller
Elsa Jay - Mafia Goon
Chara - Town Miller
Maki Harukawa - Town Desperate Neighborizer*
Vedith -- Informed Mafia Goon
Clemency -- Town Multitasking Two-Shot Doctor Two-Shot Roleblocker
Wisdom -- Town Rolecop
Jingle -- Mafia Willbooster^
Nero Cain -- Town miller, survives!
Pink Ball -- Vanilla townie, survives!
Kaito Momota -- Vanilla townie, survives!
Nancy Drew 39 -- Town miller, survives!
Creature -- Town backup rolecop, survives!

for reference, here's the under the sea setup

that's 4 millers with rolecop

obviously "commuter" is a much more powerful role than miller, and I think this does also dramatically increase the likelihood of scum ascetic/commuter

if so maybe shelly's claim would be the weakest of the bunch? or your own. but I don't think 5 town commuters is outside the realm of possibility if scum have a variant that's like "lol commuters get pwned"

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there was a scum enchantress in a game although it was gated. I still think sam is town tho

I think it's incredibly likely scum have a universe-flavored strongman

actually I can buy that you're not groupscum more easily now, can you describe the message you got more? based on the title of the game I would have expected some sort of messenger role in the game

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I wonder if Boon is trying to redo the setup from Boon Wars game 3 where scum couldn't kill anyone unless they were in a parallel universe; if that was the case then actually scum would have to have an enchantress lol

(still think sam is town just playing setup spec games with myself)

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I don't care to describe my message at this time. Do you think messenger is town or scum?

I had a thought earlier that there was probably going to be a messenger in the game and that it would be likely to be scum but I don't remember why I had that thought. I think it was around the same time I was waiting for the friendly neighbor message confirmation or something like that. Commuters + messengers sounds like something boon would design, especially with the title

as far as your alignment goes though, I think that you received a message probably points to non-groupscum as scum probably would have activated nico's commute on her behalf

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No self targeting unless stated in Role PM.

imo this basically confirms one of two scenarios:
-Sam town
-Sam scum and scum strongman is conditional on other-universe, in which case her pelican commute was necessary for the strongman to go through

I just don't know I want to flip that coin today tbh, I'd rather revisit those options

unfortunately my hard town read on sam for implying a pelican self-target is kinda gutted

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My message indicated that someone is town. Should I believe this? I dunno. Why message Nico? That's a curious question.

yeah if it's not a friendly neighbor message that sounds like scum messenger, town probably makes a joke or something, although I've been wrong about enough other things this game already...

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hmm I want to ask sam if she's gated but if she's really a town protect she shouldn't answer the question lol

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sure, I'll try to revisit his iso later tonight before I pass out

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actually fuck it VOTE: Gamma

I'll still reread his iso later tonight but I just want you to keep your wim up and know that I'm seriously thinking about what you say, I don't want you tilting out

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desire to win the game

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oooh what was your alt

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Why do I feel like this fade is going to get decided in a flurry as soon as I go to sleep lol

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I'm kinda fascinated by the ease of the gamma wagon but dunno what it means yet lol

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yeah... we still had some time, we should have taken a claim 0.o

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Why not Gamma?

your argument is uncompelling, built up by a chain of assumptions about his mindset and sparked by a logically fallacious point about meta

if sincere, I think you're suffering from a pretty bad case of dead reckoning, but I'm actually fine with anyone today who isn't a commuter or hbb

VOTE: gamma

yeah why didn't we wait

kek?

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Why not Gamma?

your argument is uncompelling, built up by a chain of assumptions about his mindset and sparked by a logically fallacious point about meta

if sincere, I think you're suffering from a pretty bad case of dead reckoning, but I'm actually fine with anyone today who isn't a commuter or hbb

VOTE: gamma

yeah why didn't we wait

kek?

I was thinking maybe we should have faded off wagon today but meh

Ari seems like a great shot for a vig even though there's like 0% chance this game has a vig

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wow server just don't update and make me think the first post got bugged, thanks 0.o

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it's a joke

if you guys wanted him to roleclaim why not just ask him to instead of voting to e-1? I don't have much time left here and would rather go to bed knowing some shenanigans didn't happen

uhm, but instead you made it so that shenanigans did happen lol, you were the cause of shenanigans yourself with the speedhammer

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Why does this now feel like scum picked up a soft and went for a rushed fade

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Sarcasm.
It's 5 hours left.
No, no we shouldn't have taken a claim. It would have been nice, but I sincerely doubt we would have been able to move in time.

that's true but with the day 1 fade on scum and the number of PR claims, the options could have been fading vs no fading if he had a tpr claim

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given almost half of my hard town are off wagon I'm not feeling optimistic about this flip

@sam there were five hours left and we were just hitting the part of the day where some people (i.e. me) can actually log on and look at stuff

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Confused by that kill for so many reasons

VOTE: ydrasse

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yeah BEF you can claim

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I have a tinfoil hat that Ydra is scum as well

hey, it's not a tinfoil when I got there first!

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Ydra did you get anything last night?

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i will return to this game when I'm sober but mark my words that I am heavily inclined to vote ydrasse or bell

I strongly encourage you to continue playing while drunk

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go on

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I believe your reaction to it is pretty scummy

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so ydra you think sam enchanted u?

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you should admit you were scum all along and then add a winky face at the end

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VOTE: Bell

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would you like to claim scum strongman?

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I can see a scum commuter enabler in a town full of town commuters where scum have a commuter strongman lol

that sounds sufficiently dumb to be the setup of this game

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A commuter enabler?
What the hell does that even do?
Wouldn't they know they're enabled or not based on your role?

they would be enabled so long as they were alive and disabled if they were dead

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hub is confbiased

maybe lol

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drunk shelly is the towniest shelly has ever been lol

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Ydra/Bell can be 2/2 imo lolol

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also i don't explicitly know if my role would disable something like enchantress if i died but from the wording i assume it might

nah

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actually maybe? we can ask

boonchan would a commuter enabler dying disable enchantress?

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if you're full what was n1 and n2?

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that's too stupid to have been shopped by a scumteam lol

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in theory bef should have claimed AFTER sam claimed target but whatever, wrong order is shot now

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Enchanters can move people right?

no?

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Every night, you may target a player. You will force that player to commute, meaning any actions performed by or targeting your target will fail. If your target is not aligned with town, you will also commute during the night. You will not be informed of this. If you were to be roleblocked, your action will not go through.

enchantress is a commuterizer

bef's out would be that sam targeted one of the two of you and thus prevented the fruit vend

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commuter enabler dying would make all town comms fail

so commuter enabler scum exists to be bussed

yeah but would *scum do that*? I mean in practical terms, scum might decide that ydra was well positioned and ignore the bait of the appeals of a mech bus, especially if there's no real incentive given they have a strongman

it would be more a slot that *can* be bussed *if* the strongman dies

actually the more I think about those interactions the more it makes sense, I think the claim almost confirms Ydra for scum

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scum have strongman, so all the commuters don't matter while strongman alive

if strongman dies, they can bus the commuter enabler to re-allow their kills and not be forced into an unwinnable endgame; otherwise, early game fade on strongman would be autoloss potential for scum

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uhh?

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the thread was locked then unlocked?

Finger slipped.

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"coincidence"... sure, sure

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this moment actually made this game worth it so thank you for that lmao

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HUB, what's your intel on Ydrasse? Are you still VT, or did you realise something overnight?

Let's get this massclaim rolling.

If I did send something last night, it was not flavored as fruit. I believe the only player claiming fruit flavor is BEF right now, so it sounds like you're claiming that BEF was not commuted but rather that scum have a bus driver and swapped you and Bell?

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I believe it is mechanically correct to leash Sam to BEF tonight? Anyone disagree with that?

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Thinking through this, it seems like now it's almost certain there's a scum between Bell/HBB given that scum bus drivers would have a much higher incentive to use the drive between a scum and a town rather than for the chaos of two town (barring edge cases like a scum disloyal bus driver, although we are looking at a variant scum role)

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Bell knowing he was bus driven may also increase the likelihood that his reaction was the way it was? Thinking out loud

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Yeah I think that's my theory

BEF real, scum bus driver real, BEF has a real loyal vend to HBB

Bell knew he couldn't perspective slip the bus driver, knew he'd been bussed, so he had a kinda phony overblown reaction to BEF's claim

so Bell is scum even with the HBB delivery being real

now the other possibility is of course that HBB is lying scum, but I think we should play toward best case scenario, which is scum Bell, town BEF+HBB

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It is 1 am.

I strongly advise we just wait for sam and everybody else to claim before anything else.

Sam is Bef's excuse, so it's best if she comes in here and confirms she didn't transport me.
I doubt she did.

Like is this post a slip? Idk maybe not

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It's not contraboon'd either, and as a relatively common role I can see it being the scum variant pretty easily

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so you're saying that bell knew that he would be bus-driven from the night right?

i don't think that hbb has a reason to lie about getting the fruit at all unless it's like... idk, some weird gambit??? which doesn't make sense at all in my head unless they're teamed together or something

Yes, I think Bell knew he was getting driven

Hbb's motive as scum to gambit here would be to claim a loyal fruit vend and position himself as mech town. There's a very strong mechanical incentive for hbb to bluff receiving fruit here as scum. I kinda don't think he does so because it seems wild to bluff a bus driver but I can see hbb going for it. But bluffing a fruit reception I think was part of the scum win in BTE so I would not dismiss it as a possibilty.

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i guess it says it "mostly" coincides with the normal queue roles/guidelines so bus driver could be an outlier to it?

p-edit: i've never actually seen it in a game so idk how common it is :<

It's a very standard role in mafia games run on chat clients, not on this site exactly, but I think boon has played in a few games with bus drivers

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I think bell flipping scum makes HBB more likely to be clear personally but there's room for discussion there. There's also a scenario where there's no scum bus driver, the fruit on Bell failed, and HBB as scum tries to save scum bell by implying scum bus driver. Certainly no one is hard mech town tomorrow off a misdirected loyal fruit vend. but I would qualitatively say I think HBB is more town after a bell scum flip based on my current conjecture

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(nods and takes notes like i understand entirely the mechanics of what might've happened) (i am still mildly confused about the gambit thing but i don't think it's something i Have to understand?)

the loyal fruit vendor is the strongest town investigative role claimed to date. Gambiting fruit receptions when there's a missing fruit reception has two potential scum benefits:
1) it can make the results of that investigative role less certain (meaning a guilty on bell would be less certain)
2) it can misdirect results, makings someone guilty appear to be innocent (as HBB could be doing for himself)

so gambiting fruit vendor receptions can very easily be a game winning strategy for scum, hence why HBB's claim of reception does need scrutiny.

Thinking about it more, there are some concerns here. Namely this now requires two different behaviors for a scum variant:
-the scum have a CONFIRMED ability to kill commuting players (shoshin)
-scum have a SUSPECTED ability to bus drive players (HBB's claim of fruit reception)

that being the case, HBB's claim seems much weaker compared to the death of Shoshin, and given *there can only be one variant scum role* (since the town variant of pelican already flipped) this does create the risk that HBB is just lying scum in this scenario

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unless shoshin just didn't commute last night, in which case, herpaderp

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I guess scum strongman doesn't HAVE to be variant? Technically that could just be a classical strongman abilty... hmmm

sorry I should stop thinking in thread

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yeah, I was kinda thinking the scum strongman would be a variant role just based on the number of commuters

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well scum strongman doesn't have to be variant, it can just be a reflavored strongman. and yeah, shoshin is soft confirmed as not commuting n1

so the scum team could be [deadgoon] + [strongman] + [variant bus driver] +/ [maybe nothing? second goon? traitor?]

I do think that BEF being town also maybe explains the shoshin strongman kill over Sam, Sam doesn't have much presence and if scum had been angling to push BEF today then shoshin does make sense as a kill for that reason

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Yep. Me receiving a message is Nico's gift to us all.

like reading this now i feel like this is shoshin saying that nico was maybe afk through the night and didn't submit an action

that's exactly what shoshin claimed, and since commutation is an activated ability that means she did not commute

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unless you're the 4th scum in which case the scum team would be exactly [deadgoon] [strongman] [variant bus driver] [commuter enabler] lol

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also this doesn't really help most of us but if HBB is town I want to subjectively say I think bus driver + enchantress + strongman would be WAY too much scum power for this setup, so if HBB is town I think he should qualitatively know that Sam is town. Likewise, if HBB is scum and bluffed the existence of the bus driver then I would think sam would be more likely scum with him

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sorry I should probably stop spamming the thread but dumb setup spec is one of the things I most enjoy about boon games LOL

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well I guess if you're town then it could be something like [goon] [strongman] [variant bus driver] [informed scum] where they know who you are and could kill you in case the strongman got faded

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no, BEF would have fruited Bell, Bell's lack of claim would make him think guilty, and HBB ended up with the fruit because of the busdrive. In that scenario the loyal resolves (BEF+HBB same alignment) and it actually tells us nothing directly about Bell, although it implies Bell scum because scum are more likely to bus drive one town and one scum. In fact frankly I would think it would make Bell more likely the scum strongman, since scum would actively want the strongman alive so would make him a higher priority for the bus drive

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VOTE: Bell I'm starting to get thirsty for this flip lmao

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VOTE: Bell

VOTE: Bell

VOTE: bell

e-2

VOTE: bell

UNVOTE:

guess I shouldn't L-1 quite yet but I think Bell is the flip

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This may be dumb but I am wondering whether bell is totally unable to spell the name of the person he just nightkilled lol

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I mean you seem pretty locked on BEF scum but like, town has to have *some* investigative this game, and the fruit vendor actually makes sense with pelican's split variant role in a game with commuters

Like if nothing else I think you need to pick a better counter-wagon than BEF imo

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Can you expand on your understanding of shelly scum? Does shelly as scum approach her theory that gx is locktown based on flavor and claim as she does as scum?

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that doesn't really work, or at least it kinda doesn't work, because then shoshin should have received the fruit since presumably they then would have bussed Bell with Shoshin and then targeted uhhh Bell for the kill to kill Shoshin?

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or at least that scenario would require HBB to be lying scum

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I remember feeling pretty strong on TGP town, I could be wrong

why are you so strong on Ari 3p?

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oh right, Bell assumed 4-man scumteam, is that what you mean by the slip? I don't think assuming 4 man scumteam is a terrible idea in a 15p game, although it seems kinda off on numbers (from a theory perspective you really should have at least 16 for a 4-man scumteam) if you don't think there's a 3p it would kinda make sense. I could see 3-man + traitor or something

I haven't like several of his responses here tonally although I'm curious what else you're point to as perspective slips?

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I'd also like full readslist from Sam since she should in theory be tonight's kill unless I'm actually right and Bell is the strongman

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One concern with HBB would be that the logic of gambiting a fruit reception would be similar to the logic necessary to kill Shoshin last night

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Ari did claim vt

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I'm speechless

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Hbb are you the only slot left to claim?

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I was going to claim a loyal fruit vend to her as a reaction test but then decided not to do that when BEF claimed LOL

I think she's probably already been reacted tested enough today with the dayvig and thread lock anyway

but yeah I don't know what value there could be in you not claiming at this point, although if you're not scum I think scum would assume you're a power role

this also I think confirms that messenger is scum, unless you're claiming messenger, which if you're not scum, scum have already POE'd anyway

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I would be relatively surprised if Boon did a cult mechanic again so soon after that one game

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I kinda feel like off numbers one of the commuters probably should be scum but idk which one and I don't really want to deal with that today

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3 with the flipped shoshin + enchantress is still a lot lol

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Dayvig: Boonskiies

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Bell said he might say more stuff tomorrow, but might just be last words idk

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Who do you think would be Bell's partners if he flips scum?

Who do you think is scum if he flips town?

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I still don't get why tgp makes sense?

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Wait crap, maybe we should fade him on his biethday. It'd be just cruel and wrong to fade him on his Unbirthday!

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Happy Unbirthday! VOTE: Bell

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It was nice playing with you! Good luck on your job interview!

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He's at f-1 btw, my vote was not a hammer

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Well it's reached a point where scum are pretty satisfied with their bus or they don't want to disrupt the misfade so at your own pace I guess

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HBB I have a theory you're not a VT!

Want to claim so we can do a final PoE?

Also TGP is that just your read or are you making a mech claim adjustment?

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Oh yeah Sam should confirm she was on BEF so we can confirm the scum strongman is everynight rather than temporally gated

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Boon Bank
Samantha97 - Enchantress

Non-VT Roles
Shellyc - Commuter (Other universe flavor)
Ydrasse - Commuter Enabler
Happy Birthday Boonskiies - (confirmed non-vt fruit recipient from scum Bell)
Gypyx - Commuter (other universe flavor)

VT Claims
Happy Unbirthday Boon - VT
Aristophanes - VT
TheGoldenParadox - VT



DEAD:

Spoiler:

Vaxkiller, faded Day 1, Mafia Goon
The Pelican Brief died Night 1, Town Magical Fairy [Inverted Voyeur]
Ircher died Night 1, Town Split Hider
Gamma Emerald faded Day 2, Vanilla Town
Shoshin died Night 2, Town Parallel Universe [Commuter]
Bell, faded Day 3, Mafia Complex Fruit Vendor
BrightEyedFish died Night 3, Town Non-consecutive Loyal Fruit Vendor

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Ari how you doin bae, you got some spicy reads for us?

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I may or may not be able to solve sam for town depending on HBB's claim

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Oh god no pls don't

dont what?

also we are ascetic... interesting.

this and the above post were taylor

Hey shelly did taylor consult with you before fakeclaiming ascetic?

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I am having troubles posting with the hydra account. I have informed Boonskiies.

For now, I will make an important announcement. We have a situational negative utility modifier. We are never ascetic or a miller or a gravedigger or anything else. Our modifier is not listed, so I presume we are a boonbank role.

@sam why did you not counter-claim titus when she said she was boonbank?

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HECTIC IS HERE?! O_o

Uhhh hmmmmmmm why did tsunami make this post?

Is there a world this was actually a massive slip?

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Endless Terror

Has there ever been a more appropriate name for a hydra?

I claim Ascetic Nihilist.

There is no way bell makes this joke if shelly/gx claims was like a planned gambit and I wonder if it's a good sign for their alignments overall hmmm

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Uhh there's a world where hectic had access to scum pt on his main and posted there and noraa meant to reply to his presence there instead of here and slipped

Why does noraa know hectic is in this game on page 2 without a scum pt interaction to that effect? I'm just baffled by that post's existence

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Also ydrasse, how into evangelion are you? Are you pumped for last movie?

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Watch the ladders, but you should be good to go

What does this post mean?

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Birthday got some good posts tbh, mind if i sheep you?

What did you like about hbb's posts on page 3?

Sorry about the spam I was not expecting to have this many questions when rereading early game lol

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Is it like commuting or what?

-confusionbeario

I feel like someone already talked about this post being important (shoshin?) But it still really jumps out at you on reread lol

I'd kinda like shelly, gx, and ydra to all comment on their current take of this post when they can

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Little rude, I don't think people's weights are relevant here.

hey hectic!

for the record gypyx, i think your claim is true

-taylor

Oh shit you're right I'm dumb

Shelly how did you know hbb was hectic on this page again?

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Or how did taylor know rather

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am I mistaken or are the "two" people with the most votes right now the ones who claimed power roles

Sam u thought et and who else was the leading wagon when u made this post?

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I just realized I mixed up pelican with tsunami lol

VOTE: Tsunami Slayer

Nvm

Right shoshin commented on this post too by huh

This might be point 2 on sam town

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I confirm taylor's claim made.

I have experience with ydrascum and this is probably it
simply speaking, town!ydrasse is one of the most obvious things ever. I don't see it yet.

there's fluff and a weird reaction to being SR'd by my other head.
-Shelly

like, bell so far feels self conscious in the way that he’s approached things? the first thing i noticed was in the post where he voted tsunami (i am on mobile so no post linking) and the second was the wagon hop.

the first stands out more to me because it felt like... forced casualposting; a bit of conversation with me and then a vote tacked on despite having a few posts prior to having been on the thread. it’s a bit like he just wanted to slip on into things without being noticed much. and the wagon hop just sticks out a bit, like a sore thumb for how it was awkward. it’s definitely my strongest sr right now

Ydra why does this post not have a vote on bell in it?

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like, bell so far feels self conscious in the way that he’s approached things? the first thing i noticed was in the post where he voted tsunami (i am on mobile so no post linking) and the second was the wagon hop.

the first stands out more to me because it felt like... forced casualposting; a bit of conversation with me and then a vote tacked on despite having a few posts prior to having been on the thread. it’s a bit like he just wanted to slip on into things without being noticed much. and the wagon hop just sticks out a bit, like a sore thumb for how it was awkward. it’s definitely my strongest sr right now

Bell likes being townread. I'm sure others can back that up.

i might be confbiased given my reads on the two but it feels like scum!ydrasse went "hey why is this townie that looks self-aware not pushed"

the self conscious thing

bell’s posting has an air of discomfort to it that feels at odds with the first few posts he made when he started to interact with me (which might be why it stuck out to me too). it’s self conscious in that i read it as an effort from bell to be Cool and Collected that seems feigned which... just ends up falling flat.

do you know if bell likes playing scum or town more?

i don't
also ydrasse might have a few more townpoints. tone is everything in my earlygame reads

-S

This trajectory is so weird

Ugh this game is hurting brain. I will sleep and hope hbb has claimed

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I have not read back yet but none of those claims are real.

Ari can you expand on why this was your take about the ascetic claims?

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Okay, fine, I'm a Town 1-shot Recharged Weak Friendly Neighbor

Excite, right?

You're going to have to sell me on why you'd use your power on a slot that was on track to get replaced or vigged

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Watch the ladders, but you should be good to go

What does this post mean?

If there's a ladder, there's a water cooling system

I still don't get it

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Or how about we DO play puzzles and you find out the person with the associated crumbs. There's only one town player who didn't die on night 1 or this recent night, Gypyx. If you look VERY closely, you'll find that person is Shoshin on night 2.

Now, if you look at the pool of [Shoshin], can you figure out who I targeted? I'll work with you here.

But... You targeted shoshin on n1???

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uhh I hope you aren't referring to last night, cause I targeted you thinking BEF was safe until the next night

pedit: ok nm then lol

Why did you think bef was safe?

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why would shoshin not just confirm a friendly neighbor result? Friendly neighbor is a fine target for a nightkill usually... It makes her iso way weirder to read now. She actively gave the idea she was doubting the reliability of the message and I thought she denied it being a mech clear...

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Also ydrasse, how into evangelion are you? Are you pumped for last movie?

(stares fondly at all of my eva merch)

i feel like i’ve been waiting for this for so many years now and i am SO excited you don’t even understand this is all ive wanted and the trailer looked so good and i’m gonna rewatch the movies and read all my favorite analysis again AHHHHHH it’s so good and genuinely one of it not my favorite series ever

(i’m too sleepy to have mafia brain so i’ll reply to everything else later)

The last movie was not too big of a jump for you? I did like the look and the piano scene but damn if all the pilots being 'old children' now is suuuper weird

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My message indicated that someone is town. Should I believe this? I dunno. Why message Nico? That's a curious question.

This is a weird fuckin way to react to a friendly neighbor message

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Well in any case boon made damn sure this game wasn't going to be broken for town through investigative power

I'm not sure I can solve sam for town through setup spec directly but I guess it's a question of if scum get the boon bank role + investigative fruit vendor + strongman + goon

I'd need to look back to see how broken his scumteams usually are and think about if 2 commutes, a gated fv, a hider, the voyeur thing, and a gated fn is enough to combat that and I think I'm gonna say no

I might bracket hbb for the day since at the very least he is not the strongman and our top priority is finding who killed shoshin

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Yeah, we can safely bracket Sam and HBB for today. They are not in the fade pool.

If we hit a Boon Bank role from a scum role swap, we immediately win since we can just insta nuke Sam.

If we hit a scum messenger, we can insta nuke HBB.

Until then, their 'role-claim' is distinct and confirmed which means they are not the scum strongman that killed Shoshin. Of course since Sam did decided to not be leashed to BEF we can't even 100% confirm the strongman's power level, given that our only strongman kill is Shoshin, but I have to think there was a 0% chance Shoshin would not commute the night after she had a [message] of whatever quality she hadn't described.

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Of the living, I think GX is the slot that seems most town to me, particularly after reading the first ten pages of the game. If he is scum he'd have to have been scum informed and had like, realized town commuters would have been claiming ascetic but most of his play just makes a lot of sense for commuter I guess. He's also seemed town in the parts of the game where he didn't drop off. Dropping off when scum was losing is maybe the biggest point against him but I think the +town points he gets elsewhere makes up for it.

Means that for me the Fade-pool is basically:

Aristophanes
TheGoldenParadox
Ydrasse
Shelly

I think unloading Ari today is probably fair, I'm kinda thinking whether a scum strongman claims commuter enabler.

TGP has made certain posts that seemed pretty town to me but I'm historically bad at reading him. I still think he's town though for the big townpings he's given me now and then.

Shelly's slot actually super bothers me in the first ten pages of the game.

also those flips prove me/gypyx IC. you all should treat us as ICs, scum!commuter doesn't have motivation to hardclaim D1 as well.
-shelly

there is the extremely weird thing here tho. Like scumteam would have to *also* have a commuter, so this scumteam would have to be something like [1/of shelly/ydrasse] as [something with commuter in the name] and then shelly perspective slipping that she knows GX was commuter through scum team's setup spec

hurts brain a little to think of.

there are definitely moments in this game where I dislike posts from all of [sam,shellyslot,ydra] but for ydra there is the bigger question of whether she fakeclaims as commuter enabler as strongman

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he said he was non-consecutive

yeah... but he was also the confirmed town investigative, thus scum had a high motivation to, you know, shoot him? You're the town protective...

what does that mean?

i.e., I'm just thinking through scenarios where like, sam as scum strongman claims enchantress because their partner as a scum [boon bank thing] won't claim the boon bank role. I kinda don't think this scum team feels like the type to roleswap based on what we've seen but I still think about it a little and need to play around it when arguing a PoE off mech

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Sounds like you lining up lynches. I do not like this. I do not see the scum motivation in TGP pushing me so hard, but your lining up lynches concerns me.

@Titus, look at the previous page. Are you really telling me it doesnt give you the willies? And your going to vote me and then spend your time working on TGP tomorrow?

290 posts of 2 dead scum:
Bell voted Ari and then changed his mind and said Ari might be town off tone. It's like the softest bus followed by the weakest unbus and increadibly lazy distancing if so

Vax tried to do something with TGP's slot when he was going down, manipulating associatives somehow but also maybe either trying to pocket TGP or come off as pocketing TGP

very little interaction with either slot or discussion

more surprising for bell who you know, actually had SOME posts

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very little informative in the scum isos about ydrasse too with the possible exception of this:

As ydrasse can attest from our forest fire game together(I will get pissed if I get associated with a d1 scum flip I had a hand in).

this is either scum attempting to get town to defend them or scum pretending to attempt to get town to defend them but I feel like it's more likely 1 maybe

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remember when i caught you as scum because you posted that gif?

i think that's probably my favorite moment in a game that i've played on this website by far

I wonder if this was like, a traitor ydrasse claiming to a variant strongman commuter shelly

if shelly an alternate universe strongman that would explain why she knows that there is 'more' to GX's role. But she does say commuter first. So if shelly inferred that GX was commuter since she was strongman then that works, and would also be why she insists she's town off it and made so many weird associatives. Also taylor being scum just matches what I see in the first ten pages of the game on reread and knowing flips

GX + Shoshin as 2 town commuters with either a town or traitor commuter enabler sounds plausible

VOTE: shelly

idk someone talk me out of this, why is this a terrible bad idea

[Happy Unbirthday Boon]

Vanilla Noraa

Welcome ! You are a

Vanilla Noraa

You may each night use your factional kill

Your goal is to kill 2 town PR's

Sample Noraa PM

You're just asetic? Nothing more / flavor? Anyways i'll leave now got work to do

thats all i want to claim now. at the very least i need to check with shelly.

do you know if your role is described on the booney toonz wiki?

-taylor

"do you know if your role is described on the booney toonz wiki" is such a weird question to ask here

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also we are ascetic... interesting.

hmm but is this how a variant ascetic strongman claims ascetic

like maybe? if shelly's real role was just ascetic strongman with alternate universe flavor, but she knows GX is commuter because GX said there was more to his role and she was strongman?

is that expecting too much of shelly to play that like that as scum?

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idk maybe this is all just a rabbit hole but shelly is the slot right now that wins as scum if we're wrong elsewhere twice in a row and she's the slot that I townread the least independently out of the slots that are currently under basically no consideration

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I'm bothered about something that seems like a contradiction: voting for gamma while being upset the day ended early with 5 hours left, then the next day voting bell and being fine with the day ending with like... a week left? I don't remember how long was left.

I was more bothered because I had very, *very* clearly indicated my vote on Gamma was a placeholder to help motivate Shoshin, who *also* unvoted Gamma. Like we did not need to fade that day at all; we could have no faded and simply gone back to odds. Maybe that's not optimal play by some metrics but I don't think the 'forward thrust' of the gamma wagon was very good. The 'lead' of the wagon jumped off or wasn't there in the first place and then it got pushed through to fade anyway. that was a weird dayphase

for bell, the game was at a complete standstill, he had clearly given up, and he had a mech guilty on him that he couldn't argue against because he'd already claimed VT. there was no reason to prolong that day, and the reasoning behind that fade was very clear

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TGP is f-2 now?

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TGP - Shelly, Ydrasse, Sam
Ari - TGP, HBB
Shelly - HUB

Not voting: Ari, GX

I think that's accurate?

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Since Ari is off wagon any more votes on TGP should probably be announced and taken as a day-ending since Ari has high motivation to hammer TGP as either alignment

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do you think I'm rabbit holing shelly, GX? Does the game make more sense or less sense to you with Shelly scum?

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Oh, right, I didn't even realise she said she literally received a FN message lol

You really have any doubts after this?

I mean given Shoshin should be able to recognize the difference between a *message* and *mod confirmation someone is town* yes...

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yes, both shelly and GX changed their claim from ascetic to commuter

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do you think HBB lied about receiving fruit or do you think he's a traitor?

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0 people claimed receptions of scum fruit before HBB, but the scum fruit investigative was every-night,, which means two fruit probably hit VTs. Do you think after two VT receptions scum hit a third VT or do you think by that point they'd narrowed down the town's power structure enough that they hit a tpr (HBB) or do you think they hit a traitor in HBB? Or do you think scum hit 3 VTs (given the ascetics had claimed from the start and shoshin never commuted before she died) so statistically it seems really weird that scum never hit a PR with a fruit if HBB is in fact scum, unless they were like actively looking for traitors

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or a scum fruiting was intercepted by sam

Sam can we get a summary of your targets again. HBB was last night, Pelican was n1, who was n2 again?

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I guess Ircher could have also been fruited when he hid behind pelican

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@gypyx and shelly, who did you both target last night?

I wanna say shelly is never scum with either GX or Shelly, so in that pool of three there is either 1 or 0.

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I targeted tgp though

so same difference then, and this was after sam claimed so there was no reason she would have been targeted at this point

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Happy Unbirthday Samantha!

:3

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i dont think HUB!scum aims to mislaunch me out of everyone but you are too paranoid

I'm a bit ill and don't have the energy to respond to you in detail rn though

Yeah, I do think there's more conversation to be had partly because
a - Bell seemed to be making it a point to spew associatives/anti-associatives with you one way or another and I'd like to hear people's POV on your slot while they are still alive and
b - if we're going to lose to a scum shelly I want to make sure Ari and TGP aren't like 'oh but I would have said it was shelly on day 4 if I hadn't been misfaded' -- if someone's going to make this argument I want to hear it while we still have misfades available

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hmm but is this how a variant ascetic strongman claims ascetic

like maybe? if shelly's real role was just ascetic strongman with alternate universe flavor, but she knows GX is commuter because GX said there was more to his role and she was strongman?

is that expecting too much of shelly to play that like that as scum?

to be honest, you are not expecting too much

only my drunkposting went out of my scumrange

tbh I might believe this

[Happy Unbirthday Boon]

Multiquote of Bell Posts:

Spoiler:

Ydrasse vote Bell

No. Wait for better players to get here.

2158 sounds so fake

-_-

I am going to have words with you after this if you aren't just scum with Bef Shelly.

bell sounds so calm and different to when he was pushed in that mbos game

HAHAHAHAHA

I doubt she did.

Is this a scum slip? Because if you were town then you would be 100% sure that something had to have interfered.

yes its a slip

can we nuke bell

Are you scum with Bef.

Bef pretty much started the game out by being paralyzed by the early claims and pretty clearly didn't know what to do or how to play around the Vax wagon. Resulting in one of the lamest laziest busses of all time. Which he somehow managed to spin for a very dumb audience that he was proud of getting his vote there lije 5th or something.

His analysis and reads were usually poorly constructed, self-serving and survivalistic.
I actually thought either skoshin was a mason or informed through letter that BEF was town so I slowly took my leg off the gas petal before he vehemently denied being informed which much made me think skoshin was chainsawing for his partner.

My vote was pretty much going to be lockedon BEF from today forwards without some very convincing evidence otherwise,

Instead, I got a fake cop guilty turned into a fruit vendor claim and a lackadaisical approach to something that needed to be approached with care, but would make sense from BEF scum. But no sense from an actual town loyal fruit vendor.
Sam confirmed I wasn't moved and I expected that, Shelly has tried to push this elimination through quickly for their to be little information coming through on the flip. Which means she has confidence she is likely going to win tomorrow.
Do not let her get away with this because this sort of fake claim has her play written all over it and I doubt BEF came up with it himself.

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I thought taylor was supertown but Shelly play has been really scummy I suggest you look at her super closely tommorrow since she drove my wagon almost as hard as GEF did and he was the one with the fake guilty on me.
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Bell pretty clearly wanted to do *something* with shelly's slot

I'd like to hear people say whether Bell was just trying to 'fake scum theater' with a townslot (because it reads very much like what last minute scum theater would look like to me) or whether he was just trying to obfuscate associatives generally once he knew he was going down. What do you think Bell was trying to do with this series of posts?

@TGP, Ari, Ydra

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Im gonna be vlaish tomorrow please don't hammer anyone before tuesday

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I have been pretty hesitant here since I really hate the idea of letting Gamma get faded when he was defending Ari and then letting Ari get faded but... I mean... I just was gone for 24 hours and came back to shelly doing a vc.

Also did I unvote for some reason? whatever

I am not super stoked on Ari scum but at this rate I'm not convinced he ever becomes easier to solve. I think I'll vote him tomorrow if he continues to stall on content.

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TGP... earth to TGP... echo echo

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I'm bad at math, is TGP in prod range or do we have to wait 16 hours?