Flavor Leaf vs. Hectic [Game Over]

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I don’t think SC is scum here. Pooky tonally feels town to me.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I don’t think SC is scum here. Pooky tonally feels town to me.

Explain?

I think it’s pretty self-evident. When Pooky’s scum, he sounds really off somehow and I’m not feeling that here. Also. he is trying to solve. Yes it’s not a strong read but I’m getting slight town pings from their posts.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Haaai MT

30 pages in 7 hours what even

Early scum gutread on Starcrossed, I noted Skitter also scumreading them towards the beginning - do you still carry that scumread Skitter?

-Pluto (auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

What have they done to you while I was away fire D:

~Venus

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Who wants to summarize the 37 pages for some town points and virtual hugz?

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Does everyone agree that Hectic wouldn't pick my hydra for scum? Like duh

Game's in more than capable hands and therefore I'm comfortable coasting

Hectic can we do one of those deals where I vote for whoever you want me to and you give me something in turn :3

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I might be willing to say

Skitter, Ydrasse, Gamma Emerald, Starcrossed

are all town.

Gonna wait to 1v1 me before townreading me again?

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Deal, Auro. Vote for Lunar Martian and I'll give you three statements in return down the line. I promise exactly one will be true.

Woohoo!

VOTE: Lunar Martian Nancy/Shiro hope you guys are OK with this, no backing out of the deal now

I'm very proud of my team thus far

^_^

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Fire... walling?

Blink twice if Hectic is threatening you

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Ydrasse
Gamma Emerald

Venus Mars and Pluto (Nancy Drew 39, Auro, and Shiro)

Morning Tweet
Titus
Xtoxm
Starcrossed (Pooky+Kanna Hydra)
Hopkirk
Lunar Martian
chkflip
Dannflor
Firebringer
skitter30
unwnd
RCEnigma
catboiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
Chara

Early PoE

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

how about we....

mass claim?

Scum masons with Hectic!

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Yeah, let's get some votes on RCE and Chara, see what happens.

Claims at E-2, E-3 please. No hammers this fast. I want to talk to Chkflip.

VOTE: RCE

Titus! Hi!!

Any thoughts on either or are you blind sheeping FL?

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

have you considered jumping on the Chara wagon?

What's the case?

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Yuck

Which part

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

see now if i explain my cases then people are going to join the wagon because they're afraid of how it'd look if they didn't rather than by their own free will. you in or out?

And you don't believe the same would apply anyway given FL's call to vote and your pushes to vote there as well?

(I promised my vote to Hectic)

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

The part where you ask to agree that no one would pick you.

Three-headed hydra containing Nancy and is an expected early NK?
I wouldn't pick us.

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

The part where you ask to agree that no one would pick you.

Three-headed hydra containing Nancy and is an expected early NK?
I wouldn't pick us.

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

You aren't Hectic.

And thus am not allowed to make probabilistic guesses about what Hectic would pick based upon my own thoughts on who I'd pick?

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I don't think I've ever seen either of you guys get killed that early, Auro

Individually nah but as a three-headed hydra in a scum-drafted game, I expect us to.

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

If we make it to D5 or so just go ahead and quick eliminate my slot

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

what if Hectic picked you so Nancy doesn't go beastmode on the scumteam? what then, Auro?

Doesn't make sense from a cost-benefit standpoint. There are many competent town players and a three-head hydra with Nancy and me is

probably

going to be easy to catch; to optimize win chances you'd rather just pick a known reliable scum player. To optimize fun... it's more fun with Nancy going beastmode is what I feel, and would guess what Hectic also feels

you're allowed, but you're not doing that with your own hydra. you know if Hectic picked you or not, it's not making a guess based on probability.

I'm making a case at the

prior

probability, not whether I was actually picked. While my knowledge of the ultimate outcome may bias me, everyone knows that - the reasoning should hold up independently though, no?

Right but applying them to defend yourself with no pressure is icky. Suggesting other slots Hectic might not pick is fine.

So do you agree with the assessment itself, regardless of how ick my bringing it up was?

@Captain Kirk: It is

the

Nancy. Nancy Drew 39, yup.

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

the simple fact that shes even talking right now w us in thread makes me feel better LOL

... wait do you think the recent posts were all Nancy?

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

the simple fact that shes even talking right now w us in thread makes me feel better LOL

ok i'm going to trust your nancy read here Ydrasse.

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

was it a misinterpretation of you confirming you were talking about Nancy?

I assume Ydrasse misinterpreted my response ("it is THE Nancy") to Hopkirk ("is Nancy who I think she is") and that's fine but Kirk hopping onto it is as he should be familiar enough with her style... right?

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

i mean, besides that you've been signing every post with your actual username. :>

True but I can't think of

any

reason scum would notice that and yet intentionally act as though they didn't - which makes Y's snafu NAI but Kirk's hop suspect (where they were careless but eager to agree)

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Do you have thoughts on players that aren't yourself? Because it looks like a lot of your posts are just arguing about why you wouldn't get picked.

Haven't read most of the game , will give you town points for telling me anything important I should know

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Thanks!
I'm thinking of resuming Spice vs Wolf again soon

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Ydrasse
Gamma Emerald

Venus Mars and Pluto (Nancy Drew 39, Auro, and Shiro)

Morning Tweet
Titus
Xtoxm
Starcrossed (Pooky+Kanna Hydra)
Hopkirk
Lunar Martian
chkflip
Dannflor
Firebringer
skitter30
unwnd

RCEnigma

catboiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

Chara

Early PoE

-Pluto (Auro)

Fixed

Updated

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Spice AND Wolf
Sigh

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I’m here but I’m overgamed, stressed out, drained and exhausted. I forgot to eat all yesterday and my sleep schedule’s completely messed up, so don’t expect me to effort a lot in this game. Ydrasse is my #1 tr, even if she thinks I’m Auro.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I forgot to eat all yesterday and my sleep schedule’s completely messed up, so don’t expect me to effort a lot in this game.

It's OK Nancy I can handle this game <3

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

can i have my obvtown read yet? i caught scum Chara and i don't bus much irl.

Sure, why not

Ydrasse
Gamma Emerald

Venus Mars and Pluto (Nancy Drew 39, Auro, and Shiro)

Morning Tweet
Titus
Xtoxm
Starcrossed (Pooky+Kanna Hydra)

Hopkirk

Lunar Martian
chkflip
Dannflor
Firebringer
skitter30
unwnd

RCEnigma

catboiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

Chara

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Hi hectic. Why didn't you try and set this up so you could play in it under an alt?

Hectic isn't my main. It was my third account iirc

Holy shit, I think they may actually be breeding now.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Venus probably scum for that post

Venus hasn’t even posted yet and I don’t know why you’d think it’s scummy that I’m stressed out and exhausted for being in too many games. Last year at this time, I hardly ate anything for 2 weeks and didn’t sleep properly, so I’m burnt out I even have chess opponents wondering wtf happened to me.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

It's alright. I'm here to powersolve this game.

I'm looking at the player list and just realized all these alts posting is going to make looking for who's coasting a pain in the butt. That said, could definitely see Dannflor as scum who's been under the radar so far.

What's the advantage of standing under the radar? Does it provide good cover or shade? Won't people notice he's not

on

the radar? Surely hiding in plain sight would then be the desired strategy.

I’m here but I’m overgamed, stressed out, drained and exhausted. I forgot to eat all yesterday and my sleep schedule’s completely messed up, so don’t expect me to effort a lot in this game. Ydrasse is my #1 tr, even if she thinks I’m Auro.

What did you eat for breakfast this morning?

I had last night’s dinner for breakfast at approximately 5 am my time. It wasn’t memorable like the delectable sushi I had a week ago,

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

AM FECKIN MILLER JABRONI

I DUN READ PAGE BEFORE MY POST FACK THE HATER

ELEVEN FECKIN WORD ROLE ONE WORD MILLER I BREAK KRAZY BACK WITH CAMEL CLUTCH

Dafuq? Between all of the population expanding Hectic alts and this, no wonder I’m not feeling this game yet.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Why is chkflp speaking like one of my machine-translated visual novels

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

hia Ydrasse hi Gamma hi Nancy hi Auro hi Titus hi Xtoxm hi Pooky & Kanna hi Hoppy hi chkflip hi Dannflor hi again Fire! hi skitts hi unwnd hi catboi and Chara! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is stacked!

I have several things wrong with my role and it also actually contradicts itself. I would say that this basically makes me informed of something but also apparently there's a ton of red herrings.

Oh and hi Flavour and hi Hectic

VOTE: Ydrasse

Oh hi missed this. I can relate I kind’ve got a shit role too. :/

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Alright, so here's what we're going to do:

All millers claim early on, or you will be faded if we find out later.

possible there are scum Millers? I don't know if this follows BooneyToonz exactly.

4 town only roles were changed to any alignment, you can see the changes are those out of alphabetical order at the start of "any alignment"

Wtf kind of Krazy game are you runnning here?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

VOTE: Venus Mars, Pluto

Hectic didn’t pick us but nice try.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I’m here but I’m overgamed, stressed out, drained and exhausted. I forgot to eat all yesterday and my sleep schedule’s completely messed up, so don’t expect me to effort a lot in this game. Ydrasse is my #1 tr, even if she thinks I’m Auro.

<3 feel better

Next year when I sign up for TM, someone needs to break my iPad, plz.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

ok i want to vote all of {rce, auro hydra, chara, starcrossed} and i only have the one vote, it's a problem

VOTE: chara

Chara and RCE are all good but you townread Tweetie here?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

NO

I think you're overreacting. Do you even know the context of what I'm talking about?

DO NOT BE THE INSULT I BE NICE

HOW OVERREAC IF ALL POST CAPS YOU FIBBYBOI MORE LIKE

OK

OK

SO YOU SAY

THESE FOUR VOTE THE CHEEKY BAD VOTE BECAUSE TIMING

OK

YES

OK

THEN YOU SAY DANNFLOR VOTE CHEEKY BAD VOTE BUT I SAY DANNFLOR VOTE ALWAYS CHEEKY BAD NO-SCUM INDIC

OK

YOU UNDERSTAND NOW FIBBYBOI OR NO I BREAK YOUR BACK

oookay. I get what you're saying.

Hectic I can't believe you didn't pick me
PEdit: oh dear god I'm not gonna be able to read like 90% of this game am I?

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

VOTE: gamma

second question, was this common knowledge? i'm surprised by the amount of "can't believe Hectic didn't pick meeeee" jokes when the very first thing that happens is the mod removing two players from being able to be drafted.

Me too, although i thought it was because everyone hated playing scum! i was expecting more of the "THANK GOD HE DIDN'T PICK ME" vibe, but maybe that's just cause i had myself and Noraa on my mind. Still, it is really interesting to me

pedit: VOTE: Gamma

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

easiest scum elim of my life

Do you think all these posts come from town?

What do you think about this @Skitter? You think all 4 Gamma votes are town?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

yeah i think so lol. i was in that one and scum with u in a hydra lol

Avengers and I was really sick with the flu while that was going on.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

auro i think. i forgot volxen was in it

Pretty sure Volxen forgot too.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

is auro or nancy posting rn ?

shiro

Shiro wasn’t even in that game.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

ok i want to vote all of {rce, auro hydra, chara, starcrossed} and i only have the one vote, it's a problem

VOTE: chara

bad vote
that's the one slot I have sorted out of those and I TR it

i'm not sure i vibe that rn :/

i'm controversial!!!!!!!!!!!

Gamma what prompted the TR, anyway?

also curious why Nancy(?) scumreads me. :< and RCE!

Starcrossed hasn't really been readable yet in my opinion, i am not sure why they're on so many lists. i guess i don't really TR them, but i also don't SR them at all.

I would rather vote one of the Gamma voters > you.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

searching for scum within the Gamma votes feels like it has the same odds as searching for scum outside the Gamma votes.

Why? Unless, you think it was all town because based on that analysis, how are you arguing that’s not a good idea?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

i have a townlean on you, but i'm kind of annoyed by your read so i don't think you're a slot i'm eager to confidently sort today. as in real today, not Day 1.

this is to skitter.

Nancy: that's not really an answer about why you have a negative view of my slot currently. :>

Why do you expect me to confidently read you here?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I don't understand the statistics of it, tbh.

You said there was about the same odds, but there's only 4 on the wagon of Gamma, and personally, I'm town leaning some of them.

I don't see a world where 1 of MT, Dannflorr, or Chara isn't the fade here today.

i'm not convinced that

statistically

there has to be scum in one of the Gamma voters at all. sure, if you're certain on that and also strongly townread some of them, it makes sense to SR the remainder.
but there's a bunch of reasons scum might see it and not be available/feeling like hopping on, so the initial premise just doesn't seem reliable enough to use, or to have determine the D1 elimination.

So you think it’s all bad town then?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

VOTE: venus mars pluto

I was worried you were scum this game skitter

Sorry for thinking that earlier

You’re both voting town but okay.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

although i'm not following why that makes you think i'm scum per se

Actually, I’m wondering if my initial tr on you was wrong.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Nancy: i don't! but you responded to skitter's SR on me by saying "it was fine", so i assume you had some sort of scumread.

as for the Gamma wagon: no, not particularly. it just doesn't feel like a significant enough occurrence to net useful sorting.

You might be town here, Skitter’s vote on me is concerning. @Unwnd are you voting me because I don’t think it’s exactly insane that they’re could possibly be one scum on Gamma?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

VOTE: EARTH WIND AND FIRE

NO

VOTE: JESSE JAMES AND MEOWTH

NO

VOTE: VENUS MARS AND PLUTO

YOUR BOWLSHET CAN GO DEAD THREAD GOAT FUCK

You’re not playing very smart here. Hectic is laughing at you.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Votecount 1.6

Venus Mars and Pluto(4)

~ catboi(64), unwnd(96), skitter30(117), chkflip(13)

Chara(3)

~ RCEnigma(49), Firebringer(35), Hopkirk(54)

unwnd(2)

~ Titus(32), Chara(149)

Gamma Emerald(2)

~ Dannflor(14), Morning Tweet(50)

Lunar Martian(1)

~ Venus Mars and Pluto(55)

Firebringer(1)

~ Hectic(36), Starcrossed(181)


Not Voting (5): Lunar Martian(8), Xtoxm(0), Ydrasse(124), Gamma Emerald(23), Flavor Leaf(135)

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2021-01-26 20:08:52)

MOD REMINDERS

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FLAVOR

Okay now @Chara, are you seriously going to tell me that all votes on Gamma and me come from town because I’m finding that extremely difficult to believe.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

ok i want to vote all of {rce, auro hydra, chara, starcrossed} and i only have the one vote, it's a problem

VOTE: chara

Chara and RCE are all good but you townread Tweetie here?

this one is what prompted the question.

I wasn’t townreading your initial posts. Maybe with RCE it’s probably paranoia because of TBoNTB. I probably shouldn’t let meta influence me that much but no freaking way in hell is anyone going to convince me here that both Gamma’s and my wagon were 100% town.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

i dunno it just seems so pointless! i think there's decent odds scum has voted me some point this game but it's not a metric i'd use to start looking for scum because they also might not have!

Gamma might just have been possible opportunism but me is probably because I’m on to something. Probably one scum was on Gamma, otherwise how do you explain the sudden grotesque jump on me?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

so find scum in them

You’re the one voting town ffs!

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

i'm also really confused why you're drawing a relationship between gamma and your wagon; the gamma wagon happeened like 30+ pages ago and has like nothing to do with your wagon as far as i can tell.

Several people jumped onto both within minutes but you don’t think that means anything?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

so find scum in them

You’re the one voting town ffs!

you're just complaining that your wagon and gamma's wagon isn't all town. which isn't really helpful unless you can point to who you think is scum in that group.

Gamma was probably ganged up on because scum saw him as easy misimbait but I point that out and suddenly what 4 votes on me? Yeah I’m sure that’s a total coincidence.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Chara’s probably town for not jumping on me. Scum is on one or both Gamma’s or my wagon. Fucking bank on it!

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

VOTE: Skitter

No way you still think I’m scum here.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Nancy, you know i wouldn't jump on you there as scum either, right? it'd instantly make you SR me.

One scum probably did vote Gamma and I got jumped on for pointing that out. So if I had any thoughts that I was wrong about that, the reaction to my pointing that out makes me think I’m not wrong.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

If Gamma's wagon mattered to you so much where were you when it developed? I just feel like you're pointing out a false dichotomy to try and seem like there's something there in 3 innocuous votes (again, pretty much around RVS time). Do you even care about which the Gamma votes are in, or are you just spinning narratives to seem like you're thinking critically as town?

I’m not spinning shit. If I was then people would have just laughed at me and called my thoughts ridiculous but instead they jumped on me, so tell me how you think I’m full of shit again?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

but only skitter and chk voted you after you pointed that out. at least i'm pretty sure that's right. the other votes were there from before.

Well unwnd pretty much said he tr Skitter for voting me, so really only CB doesn’t fit that but I’m voting Skitter because she knows this isn’t how I play scum.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

VOTE: Skitter

No way you still think I’m scum here.

i'm not really sure what part is confusing + i didn't say i scumread you, i said i scumread auro

You can’t scumread Auro and tr me.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

skitter i don't know how to tell you this, but all three heads have the same alignment.

UNVOTE:

I don’t think Skiitter pulls this kind of slip as scum.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

hia Ydrasse hi Gamma hi Nancy hi Auro hi Titus hi Xtoxm hi Pooky & Kanna hi Hoppy hi chkflip hi Dannflor hi again Fire! hi skitts hi unwnd hi catboi and Chara! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is stacked!

I have several things wrong with my role and it also actually contradicts itself. I would say that this basically makes me informed of something but also apparently there's a ton of red herrings.

Oh and hi Flavour and hi Hectic

VOTE: Ydrasse

Oh hi missed this. I can relate I kind’ve got a shit role too. :/

Whoever made this post? Yeah I didn't like it so I voted. Such a weird way to try and connect with someone based on what the town seemed to be discussing at the time. You probably looked at the thread and thought 'oh everyone is claiming miller and shit roles' and decided to lead with this of all things lol

The whole Gamma conspiracy thing is just icing to the cake

Yeah it was me and not having a role I don’t like doesn’t make me scum. I thought you were better than this.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

i don't have a read on u, and i'm ont good at reading you. i'd rather read your slot via reading auro, who i scumread
i never said i had any sort of read on ur head

pedit i know you have the same alignment

You have played with scum!me before so how do you not know this isn’t my scumgame? Do I even sound remotely anything like I did in that lasr game I was scum?

Auro usually acts scummy, so I’m the one you should be focusing on.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

kind of feeling like townposting all around right now. i'm going to go play Pokemon.

pedit: i don't know, i didn't like it either but i thought how Nancy replied gave some insight into how she came to be feeling attacked, specifically by scum.

with skitter saying she doesn't know how to read Nancy, i am curious as to why Nancy would think skitter would be able to read her, however.

Because she’s played with me as scum and I didn’t play anything like this. Chk should probably also know that. Yes, when people who know my scumgame vote me as town when I’m playing completely differently, it’s definitely cause for concern.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

i don't remember the last game i played with scum!you and i don't think historically i'm particularly good at reading you. i'm p sure it's a read i try to outsource
i think i do, however, have a p decent sense for how town!auro approaches the game

Why are you not trying to parse ME and keep talking about Auro? That made sense in SC1 when I hydra’d with A50 and you had never played with me before but after that game with duckling, I don’t understand how you do not know I’m town here.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I DON'T DO THIS AS SCUM AGAIN IS THE WINE YOU HAVE NO ACTUAL ARGUMENT

VOTE: Chk

This is exactly what you said when you deathtunnelled me as scum in TBoNTB. I told you to do a metadive on me and you refused.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

i'm not trying to tilt u or anything but i'm not super following why you think i need to read your slot on *your* head esp. when historically i don't think i'm great at reading you

Because I’m playing completely differently than I was in that game, so why aren’t you taking that into account?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

The thing is for me I am more than willing to entertain their thoughts on Gamma voters just for perspective but they seem to not even care about their own argument at this point

Just whether or not someone is scumreading/townreading them

Why am I supposed to think that's town

Yes of course I still care but why wouldn’t town!me care that I’m being run up for - what are for anyone who actually knows my meta - town indicative reasons?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Just whether or not someone is scumreading/townreading them

Why am I supposed to think that's town

she does this as both alignments, it's not ai

That’s why I voting chk because he knows this too but despite deathtunnelling me in TBoNTB as scum, he still votes me for that.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

because, as i asked twice now, i'm not even sure what game you're referring to

I didn’t play that game under this account. How do I answer you without outing my alt? I already gave you a clue.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

i'm also really confused why you're drawing a relationship between gamma and your wagon; the gamma wagon happeened like 30+ pages ago and has like nothing to do with your wagon as far as i can tell.

Several people jumped onto both within minutes but you don’t think that means anything?

That's not actually true, the only commonality between the two is unwnd, who I'm not scumreading. I don't even disagree with the idea about gamma voters but this whole thing about the votes being a conspiracy against you seems to be ignoring the actual reason people are voting you?

Anyway, can I ask you, how much have you spoken with your other heads about the game?

Why are they voting me then if the Gamma wagon was all town? Because all I said was I was thinking of voting one of the Gamma voters and BAM, suddenly 4 votes on me.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

idk what TBoNTB is

To Be or Not To Be. I’ll link for you. Chk basically deathtunnelled me in that for flipping out about votes on me because I also did that in a game where I was scum but in that game he was scum and I was town, so he knows that my reaction to getting voted/scumread is NAI and he STILL voted me for that.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Why are they voting me then if the Gamma wagon was all town? Because all I said was I was thinking of voting one of the Gamma voters and BAM, suddenly 4 votes on me.

I'm pretty sure that's not why anyone is voting you...

Well tell me then because that’s exactly what it looks like to me.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

ok well i don't remember the game offhand, so i'm sorry but i can't use it to discuss my read on u here in relation to that one because i don't know what you're referring to

Spoiler:

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

i think she's actually arguing 'scum are scared that i'm abt to focus on them (i.e. by focusing on the gamma votes) so other scum are pressuring me in return', not that the same people in gamma is necessarily pushign her
( i don't agree with this argument but i think this is what she's trying to say)

Yes, I don’t see why anyone thinks that’s farfetched at all.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

No sorry, wrong game, the game was Been There Done That.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

No sorry, wrong game, the game was Been There Done That.

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=82397&start=6350

Spoiler:

I’m extremely embarrassed about many of my posts in this game. I had just found out recently that my best friend had died and I handled things extremely badly.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

i mean it's p farfetched
and oh that one.
well tbf it was like six months ago and i've tried to block large portions of it out of my memory and you weren't, like, my main focus there shall we say

Well I’m definitely not trying to upset you but the only other experience you’ve had with scum!me was in that 5 headed hydra, so this is the only game we’ve played together where I was scum and you were town. If there was another game I could reference, I’d do it but I think that’s the only one.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Why are they voting me then if the Gamma wagon was all town? Because all I said was I was thinking of voting one of the Gamma voters and BAM, suddenly 4 votes on me.

I'm pretty sure that's not why anyone is voting you...

Well tell me then because that’s exactly what it looks like to me.

I was voting you well before that because your entrance defending pooky felt off to me, it just felt like a very random thing to enter the thread commenting on that felt more like an obligatory comment of something game-related to appear productive than a real thought. After that I didn't like how auro came in with the opposite take on starcrossed and spent most of his posts talking about how you wouldn't be a draft pick.

unwnd voted you when you were talking about your role unprompted, chk seems to have also voted you for doing that, skitter says she finds auro's posting scummy. None of it is for the gamma thing.

When did Chk claim that was the reason? He voted me because of my reaction to the votes and no sorry I’m not judt going to drop that entirely because I know my alignment, so I’m not going to assume it’s 100% baseless.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

right, but that's my point: i don't have a lot of experience with scum!you, so i think your expectation that i should very clearly see you are not scum here based on those games is not entirely a reasonable one
and that's why i'm not focusing on reading your head, and i want to read auro

Of the votes on me, you seem to be the only one who is interested in sorting me. Unwnd maybe? However, if you don’t base your read on me specifically, you probably will get it wrong because Auro usually gets sr regardless of alignment.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Why are they voting me then if the Gamma wagon was all town? Because all I said was I was thinking of voting one of the Gamma voters and BAM, suddenly 4 votes on me.

I'm pretty sure that's not why anyone is voting you...

Well tell me then because that’s exactly what it looks like to me.

I was voting you well before that because your entrance defending pooky felt off to me, it just felt like a very random thing to enter the thread commenting on that felt more like an obligatory comment of something game-related to appear productive than a real thought. After that I didn't like how auro came in with the opposite take on starcrossed and spent most of his posts talking about how you wouldn't be a draft pick.

unwnd voted you when you were talking about your role unprompted, chk seems to have also voted you for doing that, skitter says she finds auro's posting scummy. None of it is for the gamma thing.

What Auro said wasn’t entirely different than Ydrasse and I explained I thought Pooky was town based off of tone. So why is that scummy? And why does Auro having a different read than me scummy? He has had very little experience playing with Pooky but I have lots. Why is any of this scummy? Assuming all votes on me are from town - doubt - you guys are going to lose a lot of games if you don’t figure out how to make better reads.

We’re not scum here but you’re obviously going to say why couldn’t I also say that as scum too? Again I could answer because I’m not and I will continue to be disbelieved.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

No sorry, wrong game, the game was Been There Done That.

I was looking for the name of this game. I feel like this is the Titus we're getting in this game. Agree?Disagree?

Only caught up on most recent page so brb.

Ydrasse - Weak town
Gamma Emerald - Not memorable, but FL says town
Venus Mars and Pluto (Nancy Drew 39, Auro, and Shiro) - Lean scum, no real presence of Nancy/Shiro. No cookies.
Morning Tweet - Can be town
Titus - Me
Xtoxm - No presence
Starcrossed (Pooky+Kanna Hydra) - Odd, weak scumlean

but FL has a point of everyone SRing the slot

Hopkirk - Weak town
Lunar Martian - Needs more
chkflip - When will he arrive?
Dannflor - Weak town, stronger opening but fell off
Firebringer - Town
skitter30 - Town miller
unwnd - Town voting them upon request
RCEnigma - Weak scum
catboiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii - Weak scum
Chara - Null

I tried to give a read on everyone. I want to get myself moving. Nothing's really strong though.

Yes, this readslist makes me think this is town!her, especially for the bolded. It’s pretty damn clear SC isn’t scum here, so lol at people sr both our slots.

I actually like this least despite her being wrong on us but at the tlme, she had no valid reason to tr us. Still not sure on Tweetie. I could be wrong on her.

As much as I hate people suddenly jumping on me with a passion, it’s helped crystallize some reads for me because I bet the game at least one scum voted me.

RCE is probably town for this.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

What Auro said wasn’t entirely different than Ydrasse and I explained I thought Pooky was town based off of tone. So why is that scummy? And why does Auro having a different read than me scummy? He has had very little experience playing with Pooky but I have lots. Why is any of this scummy? Assuming all votes on me are from town - doubt - you guys are going to lose a lot of games if you don’t figure out how to make better reads.

We’re not scum here but you’re obviously going to say why couldn’t I also say that as scum too? Again I could answer because I’m not and I will continue to be disbelieved.

It wasn't the fact that you said it but the timing of you showing up and mentioning only that and then vanishing. It felt like there was no connection between you two posting, to arrive in the thread with entirely different takes, it felt like you were acting as separate entities where I'd expect a town hydra to have a little more sync between the heads.

Ehh, you're making me waver though.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Dannflor

Why would you expect a town hydra not to have dissonance? I think it’s NAI actually. Titus will definitely tell you that.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

i don't remember the last game i played with scum!you and i don't think historically i'm particularly good at reading you. i'm p sure it's a read i try to outsource
i think i do, however, have a p decent sense for how town!auro approaches the game

i don't remember the last game i played with scum!you and i don't think historically i'm particularly good at reading you. i'm p sure it's a read i try to outsourcei think i do, however, have a p decent sense for how town!auro approaches the game

you don't remember the tragedy of 960 :O

<3

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Flavor Leaf I already solved your game

the bad guys are:

catboi chara tweetie and um I didnt find the 4th one but they should concede after we elim the first 3

This could be right.

See @Pooky, maybe I am finally getting good at reading you.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

<3

you made me cry so much that game

but I can sort of read you now :3

I’m sorry.

{{{HUGS}}}

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

i'm actually super easy to read :3

Sometimes but town!you is extremely transparent and kind’ve happy and easygoing and scum!you is off, weird and sometimes almost scary.

But Kanna obvtowned with that “give her space” post although it was already obvious to me.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

It's not the dissonance but the fact that there was seemingly no regard for what the other head was doing or thinking, where in general I would expect some amount of communication? That was my thought at the time anyway.

Welcome to Nancy hydra country.

It’s not every hydra but I like hydraing with Auro because he’s usually super paranoid and I’m overly trusting, so we make a good team.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

you shouldn't be sorry

I enjoy tragedy

I’m sad that I made you cry. Didn’t you recently tell me I kept you from going insane in that game - yes, I know that’s ironic - all things considered.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

yes

but if u had just killed me earlier I would not have suffered as much

Well you know why we couldn’t do that.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

you should not be sad you made me cry or suffer,

it is the job and duty of the scum team to inflict pain and misery on the other side.

to do otherwise would be insulting :3

We didn’t want to do that. It was really hard on me seeing you suffer like that. Well, obviously not like Bunno but that’s very different.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

i mean at lylo

i think there was a time you could've hammered me lol :3

My buddy wanted me to but I was offline and when I got online that window of opportunity had already closed. I woke up to urgent messages: “Hammer Pooky! Hurry” but alas it was already too late.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

well you shouldn't

if I did not enjoy suffering I wouldn't play this game :3

To paraphrase the Cheshire cat: We’re really all just masochists here.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

But in true cat fashion they bit the hand that feeds q.q

I don't understand understand this part or why you ended up flipping the read

understand understand understand

yknow I like the crackpot theory from RCE

I think Dann is probably town, another reason why I like RCE’s read on Titus.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

also starcrossed i think catboi is town

this is exactly why Hectic drafted him

so stealthy even skitter can't see his evil fangs

Both Titus and you think CB is scum, can you explain why? I don’t have much experience with them.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

WHY MENTION ROLE IF YOU ARE NOT MILLER

YOU ARE SCUM OR YOU DO SCUMS JOB

YOU CAN GO NOW

Okay, I missed this. This isn’t AI to claim you don’t like your role.

I DON'T DO THIS AS SCUM AGAIN IS THE WINE YOU HAVE NO ACTUAL ARGUMENT

This is the part you know is not scum indicative for me.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

But in true cat fashion they bit the hand that feeds q.q

I don't understand understand this part or why you ended up flipping the read

understand understand understand

yknow I like the crackpot theory from RCE

I think Dann is probably town, another reason why I like RCE’s read on Titus.

You were expressing that you think there's scum in the early mini-wagon on Gamma, if you don't think it's Dann, who do you think it is? None of those posts look particularly townie to me.

It looks like he’s seriously considering what RCE said.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Tired of waiting for Xtoxm, it's not super important to wait anyway

I'm an Ascetic Miller

i just wanted to see if somebody claimed that exact role before me, but looks like each miller has their own distinct flavour

Also, i have questions for what implications my role has on the setup, but of course there is an "unusually large number of red herrings". Obviously though you see why my role is a bit off

I actually believe this. Like in last game, it makes no sense to make this up. God only knows why Krazy gives you this role though.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Okay? That doesn't answer my question about the gamma votes.

I may be wrong on that unless I’m incorrectly reading someone. Hectic knows me really well and he could be telling his team to pocket me because he knows I eat up pockets.

@CB I suppose it’s possible I’m wrongly tr Dann for that. I just don’t see what you find particularly scummy about his posting?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Flavor Leaf I already solved your game

the bad guys are:

catboi chara tweetie and um I didnt find the 4th one but they should concede after we elim the first 3

I think this makes Starcrossed Town.

This game is very hard to read from page 50 since it's a lot of deep meta being thrown around. I'm a bit lost. That said, I think the astronomy hydra is Town. Also think that unwnd is Town.

Ydrasse is Town too.

I think Lunar is town not that’s exactly a shock since I doubt Hectic has ever played with him before.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

i dont know if i should be happy or sad but im sad because i wanted to hang out and apparently im not LIKABLE ENOUGH

it would be very hard for me to believe Hectic doesn't take you with his first pick

surely you arent in the pt instead of me right..? he didnt pick you guys over me haha right. right?

p-edit hectic tell me why tell me why ive been so good to you...

Truth be told you were first ban alongside Hopkirk. It honestly felt like Krazy stabbed me in the heart when he declared those picks...

I'm very proud of my team thus far

imagine you picking me and then i could feel happy because you were proud of me but instead you abandoned me

Truth is you're actually kind of toxic as scum and I wanted you to have fun as town, I'm just looking out for you

Also you and Hop were first bans :<

@Ydrasse, what is your take on this? Do you believe this is true for Hopkirk?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Dannflor Jan 16, 07:18pm Jan 16, 08:46pm 1 day 0 hours 14

this is probly scum if I'm wrong about Catboi

Elaborate please.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I actually believe this. Like in last game, it makes no sense to make this up. God only knows why Krazy gives you this role though.

Well in the last game, making up the Supersaint Enabler would have been legitimately hurtful to my team because it warns the town of what is coming

i can confirm i wouldnt think to make this up, but given that "Ascetic Miller" doesn't make sense, "Mafia Miller" doesn't really make sense either and could potentially be something that tips mafia off about this spam miller thing. So if you combine that with how Miller got moved to the "Any Alignment" category... yeah..

I think skitts is town though, dont know chkflip yet. Although at this point i dont think it makes much sense for mafia to claim they're a miller -- could see doing it early for WIFOM like me/skitts, but later in the day when chkflip had the luxury of choosing? its a small thing but unsure theres really much of a point to revealing that as mafia now

VOTE: Dannflor

Yeah she sounds similar here to that game she doesn’t want to talk about.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

thats cute guys

this is a fantastic opportunity tho

VOTE: rcenigma

Why are you voting RCE?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

No sorry, wrong game, the game was Been There Done That.

I was looking for the name of this game. I feel like this is the Titus we're getting in this game. Agree?Disagree?

Only caught up on most recent page so brb.

Ydrasse - Weak town
Gamma Emerald - Not memorable, but FL says town
Venus Mars and Pluto (Nancy Drew 39, Auro, and Shiro) - Lean scum, no real presence of Nancy/Shiro. No cookies.
Morning Tweet - Can be town
Titus - Me
Xtoxm - No presence
Starcrossed (Pooky+Kanna Hydra) - Odd, weak scumlean

but FL has a point of everyone SRing the slot

Hopkirk - Weak town
Lunar Martian - Needs more
chkflip - When will he arrive?
Dannflor - Weak town, stronger opening but fell off
Firebringer - Town
skitter30 - Town miller
unwnd - Town voting them upon request
RCEnigma - Weak scum
catboiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii - Weak scum
Chara - Null

I tried to give a read on everyone. I want to get myself moving. Nothing's really strong though.

Yes, this readslist makes me think this is town!her, especially for the bolded. It’s pretty damn clear SC isn’t scum here, so lol at people sr both our slots.

I actually like this least despite her being wrong on us but at the tlme, she had no valid reason to tr us. Still not sure on Tweetie. I could be wrong on her.

As much as I hate people suddenly jumping on me with a passion, it’s helped crystallize some reads for me because I bet the game at least one scum voted me.

RCE is probably town for this.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

yeah im ascetic, but im not a miller

You and Tweetie both got aesetic, interesting.

Pedit, I noticed you switch to chk. RCE is probably town for that Titus read because I’m mindmelding with him on that.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

RCEnigma's ISO is almost pure fluff. Is that normal? I don't think that's normal.

How is his Titus’ read “fliuff”?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

This isn’t a wall and I will get to wall when I am home
Just wanted to say I am ascetic too

Holy fuck! Krazy why so many aesetic roles?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

aside, i kinda want to be a townstump in one of these games

If someone wants to mod it, we could do a Skitter v. Nancy at some point.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

babe wtf stop giving me responsibilities

let's tussle w chkflip the yelling scares me

The yelling is NAI for him but his push on me for something entirely NAI isn’t great. I want to see if he re-evaluates it though.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Hi Dann!
If you're scum I'm gonna catch ya. What's up?

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Hell if I know, but catboi gave us this summary 30ish pages ago,

Do you have thoughts on players that aren't yourself? Because it looks like a lot of your posts are just arguing about why you wouldn't get picked.

Haven't read most of the game , will give you town points for telling me anything important I should know

-Pluto (Auro)

skitter and tweet both claimed miller, some people jumped on Gamma for his opening where he complained about not being picked, right now there's some suspicion on Chara and Tweet. I just haven't really liked Chara's perspective on things so far, with Tweet I'm not really sure what it is? What I'm getting is that people are saying she isn't as happy as she's supposed to be or something. Now a bunch of people are doing draft spec and I don't really know anyone well enough to be involved in that sort of guessing game. Also I miiight have started a big derail about anime >_>;

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

do you have a read Auro? I won't even push you for multiple

Not really although gun to my head I'd say Titus, but then again I have a tendency to falsely scumread her

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I agree about Gamma from what little I've read.

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I agree about Gamma from what little I've read.

-Pluto (Auro)

People often jump on him for really bad reasons. In that Plotinus’ game he was bleeding obvtown and still got misexecuted on D1 but since I was a replace in that game, I couldn’t do anything about it.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

yknow I town read RCE very early on for a bit of a silly reason but I don't think scum reading him for fluff posting is the way to go?

warning: the game of mafia generalizations incoming

but scum like to establish themselves as towny, they're kind of addicted to it, by doing whatever they think will get them town read by people. In some cases that is fluff posting, but for a lot of people that's solving (or pretending to solve). I've only played with RCE a few times but I don't think of them as a fluff posting user, so I would interpret any posting here that's more on the fluffy side to indicate some level of comfort in the game. In other words, he's not eager to get town read because he knows he's town.

Also I really do think the crackpot theory from earlier about the setup was vaguely towny just because it's so crazy I don't think scum literally ever spends effort thinking it up. It's exactly the type of thing town spends time pondering and I think skitter is wrong on thinking someone wouldn't actually consider or believe that. It's not a silly reason I standby it goddamnnit

I guess this really just boils down to a *tone* read but I think RCE has a towny tone and attacking him for fluff posting in what I feel like is a... fluffy game seems to be *not it* imo

Why are people voting this?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

aside, i kinda want to be a townstump in one of these games

Skitter vs Fire

noooo beaten by fire :[

No me. Don’t you and Fire try to rob me.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I WARN EVERYONE I YELL, IT'S THE GRRRRRRRRRET IRON FLIPPEH BEHBEHHHHHHHHHHHH

IRON SHIEKY #1
AMERICA /spitsontheground

DANNFLOR STILL NOT THE SCUMBUTT

I don’t think it’s Dann either.

UNVOTE:

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I would say im mostly voting you because i dont want to vote gamma and i dont really have a strong place to go other than where somebody else is, and i at least sort of townlean the venus hydra. I also think you'd be a solid pick for Hectic and i dont have an opinion of u yet

what caused you to unvote gamma?

We aren’t yeeting Gamma.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

just iso'd chkflip and YES i love it.

His vote on me is really bad but I’m agreeing with him on Dann. I was right about Dann in that anime game and he sounds similar here.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

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chkflip

- Honestly, brother, this is kind of a soul read. I've actually liked the content they provided, and I liked their response to the Chkflip semi wagon. While Chkflip was in that list of 4, I actually thought they were townie beforehand. The wagon didn't pick up steam, and I do think Hectic would purposefully tell people not to join a town wagon here to make it look like my plan failed.

Gamma Emerald

- The early wagon on Gamma seemed like a scum push, and generally, Gamma's been anti and against almost everything, being antagonistic to most reads, which I think is strongly indicative of townGamma.

Ydrasse

- Sassy Drassy having a lot of fun this game, what I've seen of her before, she took a lot of strong action in A Little Boonie, fee fi fo Moonie, and I'm not seeing that here. Boardgames she didn't do too much, but was scum able to coast through the game, so this also looks different. While I think there's a chance Hectic could be pushing all of this, I'm generally just going to trust she's town. If she's scum, she'd out herself eventually to me, which I think she's aware of, so I don't know if she would be interacting the way she has been.

skitter30

- I think they make a good pick for the scum team, but I've generally understood what they've been pushing. I have some paranoia that they are scum trying to pocket, but I've felt genuineness there. Skitter will be a player that takes action if they are scum, so I'm happy to think I'd be able to read that. Skitter also specifically knows I flip flop my reads on a dime and will push my town reads out of nowhere, so I don't think she plays the way she has as scum.

Starcrossed

- Early on I thought they were kinda scummy, but they've also been talking and interacting with me all game, and I think they've been pretty townie. However, they did the same thing when Pooky was actually scum against me, and I feel like if they are scum, I will eventually see it. So I'm going to give this a little ol lean town for now.

unwnd

- Unwnd's been really eager and seems to be enjoying this game. That's different. I was scum with him recently, and he was the exact opposite purposefully, so a change of playstyle isn't out of the question if he is scum, and I do think he is a pretty good pick. I don't know what to think about the Millerizer claim. It seems like a scummy role, but why did he claim it then? I'm comfortable here for now.

Chara

- I really did think they were super scummy early, and I do think they are a good pick here, specifically because they can handle themselves, they don't take huge risks, and they're not likely to be faded early. I think this would be a high chance of getting picked, however, I have a gut ping that's wanting to town read here, so I'm going to make this slightly about null, right under lean town. a slight lean town.

Lunar Martian

- Null this one. I think some of the Unwnd pushing was a bit weird, but I can see it coming from both sides. This will become an easy read as the game goes on.

Firebringer

- I'm undecided what I think here. Probably not a good sign, because I usually town read them.

RCEnigma

- I usually feel like they do more, and there were some moments of theirs that I didn't like, one recently with the Xtoxm vote. If Xtoxm is scum, this is a good sign, but why wasn't the Chkflip vote there earlier? They also haven't really put out much this game, but I feel they've been a presence, so this could be coasting scum trying not to say much in fear I'll catch them out? They haven't done anything really that scummy, but I'm suspicious here.

Titus

- Totus be doing alright, I don't hate their posts. It seems like they've been somewhat pushing a scum agenda, but that could just be Titus. I'm going to wanna wait to read this slot as the game goes on, but I probably want her to be around mid game to bounce stuff off of, and I think Titus' alignment will be obvious in a couple days.

Venus Mars and Pluto

- Haven't really liked their posts, I don't feel like pushing there yet because I don't think they've played too much, and Auro will town it up for me eventually if they're town. I don't really think Hectic picks them, though. I'm way too familiar with the slot, and I'm pretty sure he knows it.

Hopkirk

- I think hectic picked one of Ydrasse or Hopkirk. It just makes sense. I think Ydrasse is town, and I think Hopkirk interacting with Hectic in thread is pretty fake looking.

Morning Tweet

- I haven't liked anything they've said. They could be town, and I'm just misreading, but they were on the Gamma wagon, they're in the miller claims, and I think their ascetic thing was kind of weird. I also really don't like Ascetic Miller claim.

Dannflor

- Hasn't done much. Poor Gamma vote early one. I think they're scum caught in a position where they know if they post, they will look scummier.

Xtoxm

- Yo, everything that you say just makes me think scum. It's just unfortunate happenstance if you're town who happens to be ascetic, and I do typically think you're a great pick for Hectic's team. Everything seems to be lining up towards you. I think this upcoming push on you will help me read you, but this is my heaviest scum read.

catboiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

- I didn't like the vanilla claim, and multiple times throughout this game I have felt they were saying things to help out the gamestate. I think they've had pretty good play if they are scum, and that's part of the reason I think they are scum.

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Will Catboi be caught out for his hilarious vanilla claim?

Can Unwnd and Morning Tweet's claims BE any more scummy?!


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Yeah, I’m suspicious of all of the aesetic claims. It’s hard to believe they all come from town. @FL when are you ever going to read me correctly? *smh*

Why is chk your one of your top trs? Gamma I understand but why?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

No me. Don’t you and Fire try to rob me.

aren't you supposed to be dueling against Titus?

Yeah, I mean after that, obviously.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Votecount 1.9

Dannflor(5)

~ catboi(81), Morning Tweet(58), skitter30(160), Starcrossed(246), Xtoxm(16)

unwnd(2)

~ Titus(32), Chara(159)

chkflip(2)

~ RCEnigma(57), Dannflor(29)

Chara(2)

~ Firebringer(38), Hopkirk(55)

Venus Mars and Pluto(1)

~ chkflip(25)

RCEnigma(1)

~ unwnd(122)

Firebringer(0)

~ Hectic(37)


Not Voting (5): Lunar Martian(20), Ydrasse(137), Venus Mars and Pluto(130), Gamma Emerald(28), Flavor Leaf(159)

With 17 alive it takes 9 to FLIP.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2021-01-26 20:10:19)

FLAVOR

I think this is probably flipping town. I don’t see why Dann is scummy.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Dannflor(5) ~ catboi(81), Morning Tweet(58), skitter30(160), Starcrossed(246), Xtoxm(16)

lol is this dude getting bussed by the entire scum team

catboi tweetie xtoxm

flavor leaf really is the best town player of all time

How much experience do you have playing with Dann? I don’t think he’s scum here. That’s why I unvoted chk despite his bad vote on me.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Ydrasse - Weak town
Gamma Emerald - Not memorable, but FL says town
Venus Mars and Pluto (Nancy Drew 39, Auro, and Shiro) - Lean scum, no real presence of Nancy/Shiro. No cookies.
Morning Tweet - Can be town
Titus - Me
Xtoxm - No presence
Starcrossed (Pooky+Kanna Hydra) - Odd, weak scumlean but FL has a point of everyone SRing the slot
Hopkirk - Weak town
Lunar Martian - Needs more
chkflip - When will he arrive?
Dannflor - Weak town, stronger opening but fell off
Firebringer - Town
skitter30 - Town miller
unwnd - Town voting them upon request
RCEnigma - Weak scum
catboiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii - Weak scum
Chara - Null

I tried to give a read on everyone. I want to get myself moving. Nothing's really strong though.

Still on same page stuff but Titus this reads list freaks me out a tiny bit. Mostly because you've played with me multiple times before and what the hell where on earth did you get that I had a strong opening from?

I don't even remember any of my own posts this game which is not a great sign!! So I'm just curious what exactly gave you strong vibes from me especially since you know I can do the surface level town stuff to at least some extent as scum.

And given I have no memory of my own posts and I was phone posting the whole time I doubt I did much more than poke at surface level stuff that caught my eye at the time

Also another point, I don't understand why you're doing this readslist. You have everyone at weak-something or null and some of these, like my read or the read on Starcrossed (which just says "odd" with no elaboration?) seem a bit like you're just tossing stuff out there. Which is fine if you're trying to get yourself going but I'm also not seeing you use this as a springboard to go in any specific direction. Like you're not trying to dig into why I "fell off," or what is odd about Starcrossed and why everyone seems to scum read them. You're just kinda throwing out what I can assume are fairly luke-warm takes and leaving it at that.

maybe you'll get more productive but this empty spinning-wheels sorta thing isn't the type of content I expect from you even to "get yourself started"

dann this post is weird and feels scummy to me :/

Dann is scum when he makes really suspicious pushes like he did on flaming obvtown TSE in PA. Dann voted him for really sus reasons.

He’s not a top tr and I really didn’t understand why he said what he did about the Titus’ readslist but I don’t understand why you’re necessarily sr him for it.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

just iso'd chkflip and YES i love it.

His vote on me is really bad but I’m agreeing with him on Dann. I was right about Dann in that anime game and he sounds similar here.

Why's it bad? The reasoning seemed fine to me.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Firebringer, I didn't recruit you so you could lurk and slack off. Come back in start makes some hard pushes on obvtown. Like what Pooky's doing.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I would like everybody to rank these 6 in order of towniest to scummiest.

• Dannflor
• Catboi
• MT
• Skitter30
• Starcrossed
• Xtoxm

Tweet
skitter
starcrossed
xtoxm
catboi

You left out Dann but I think you may be town here after all. I’m not tr the bottom two.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Ydrasse - town?
Gamma Emerald - town?
Venus Mars and Pluto (Nancy Drew 39, Auro, and Shiro) - scum?
Morning Tweet - idk lean scum
Titus - null
Xtoxm - null
Starcrossed (Pooky+Kanna Hydra) idk lean town
Hopkirk - town?
Lunar Martian - town?
chkflip - town???
Dannflor - scum?
Firebringer - town? not sure
skitter30 - shining beacon of towniness
unwnd - town
RCEnigma - idk
catboiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii - town
Chara - scum?

that's where i'm at

I was reading this and first thought is no way Krazy makes this list. You still calling us scum is making me doubt my tr on you.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I was reading this and first thought is no way Krazy makes this list. You still calling us scum is making me doubt my tr on you.

she's calling Auro scum, not you Nancy

He’s my hydra partner. Don’t make me change my read on you.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I actually think the behavior of belittling someone's usefulness by their read accuracy is scornful and inhibits growth

Who and what is this referring to?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Um

I kinda feel that isn't the case? Unless I'm just missing something. What do you think about your naysayers (e.g people who expressed you to be scum/willing to lim)?

Are you referring to Chara or us? I can’t tell bases on the timing of your post?

I definitely don’t think town!Skitter should still be sr us at this point. She has played with me before and her not trying to parse my posts kind’ve seems lazy to me and dafuq on Pooky defending that.

I’m not sr her but she should definitely not be calling us scum here.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

He’s my hydra partner. Don’t make me change my read on you.

do you know for sure the hydra has alignment consistency?

what if one head is working against the others?

No offence but what drugs are you smoking and can you get me some?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

again, i think i'd have better luck reading your slot on auro and i do not yet townread him
when he's online i'd like to chat with him tho

pedit ah sorry i'll change how i do that in the future

His recent posts have been town indicative for him.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Pooky if you're town give me a soulread on Nancy (Venus/Pluto) right now

I think she's a bit defensive right now but I dunno if it borders on things worth reading the more I think about it. Some part of me just wants to say 'Nancy, I genuinely have no issue with you and I don't think anyone here is judging you or wanting to outst you just by merely existing or playing this game', because everytime I expressive a negative connotation towards her it feels like she takes personal offense.

I can't read personal offenses and I don't want to, and if your caginess is all based on 'oh god do they care about my input' then like

Yes I do? There was a reason I asked you about your Gamma thought, and I'd prefer to not be dishonorably AtEd if you're just scum thank you

I’m not but it’s annoying to me when I’m blatantly obvtown and still getting sr.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Hi Dann!
If you're scum I'm gonna catch ya. What's up?

-Pluto (Auro)

do you have a read Auro? I won't even push you for multiple

Not really although gun to my head I'd say Titus, but then again I have a tendency to falsely scumread her

-Pluto (Auro)

I agree about Gamma from what little I've read.

-Pluto (Auro)

All of these posts are town indicative for Auro.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

ok
why have his recent posts been town indicative for him?

i think that catboi might look like surface-level flipbait-y a bit (or kinda? like he's on a different wavelength) but i think he's earnestly trying to sort the game so i townread him

Auro approaches the game very differently from me. He usually starts off by trying to look scummy to see who jumps on him so he can make good reads. He did that in PA but no one noticed because I was posting more from the getgo, so no one was paying much attention to his posts but that is how he approaches games as town.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

ok
why have his recent posts been town indicative for him?

i think that catboi might look like surface-level flipbait-y a bit (or kinda? like he's on a different wavelength) but i think he's earnestly trying to sort the game so i townread him

Auro approaches the game very differently from me. He usually starts off by trying to look scummy to see who jumps on him so he can make good reads. He did that in PA but no one noticed because I was posting more from the getgo, so no one was paying much attention to his posts but that is how he approaches games as town.

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[Venus Mars and Pluto]

ok
why have his recent posts been town indicative for him?

i think that catboi might look like surface-level flipbait-y a bit (or kinda? like he's on a different wavelength) but i think he's earnestly trying to sort the game so i townread him

Auro approaches the game very differently from me. He usually starts off by trying to look scummy to see who jumps on him so he can make good reads. He did that in PA but no one noticed because I was posting more from the getgo, so no one was paying much attention to his posts but that is how he approaches games as town.

Vanilla or Not Vanilla?

I don’t think role affects this very much.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Back off from catboi. I have a solid TR on him and the pushes on him are crap. My VCA will show him as town on Day 4.

*sees hydra town casing their partner*

*glares*

afsgdjdjkdd i really thought this was Titus

I said it earlier, it's really annoying, the joke alts are fine but that one feels like it's going too far.

Omg, I actually thought that was Titus.

Okay maybe CB is town for this.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Venus and Mars alongside Skitter officially going down to the chopping block level right now.

I see you haven’t learned much from VG.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

ok
why have his recent posts been town indicative for him?

i think that catboi might look like surface-level flipbait-y a bit (or kinda? like he's on a different wavelength) but i think he's earnestly trying to sort the game so i townread him

Auro approaches the game very differently from me. He usually starts off by trying to look scummy to see who jumps on him so he can make good reads. He did that in PA but no one noticed because I was posting more from the getgo, so no one was paying much attention to his posts but that is how he approaches games as town.

Vanilla or Not Vanilla?

I don’t think role affects this very much.

I am literally informed that Hectic is Informed of there being 3 Vanilla.

Claim Vanilla or Not Vanilla. I will assume you are lying if you change it later.

I meant that Auro’s role doesn’t really affect how he plays the game. Have you been reading my posts?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

hia Ydrasse hi Gamma hi Nancy hi Auro hi Titus hi Xtoxm hi Pooky & Kanna hi Hoppy hi chkflip hi Dannflor hi again Fire! hi skitts hi unwnd hi catboi and Chara! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is stacked!

I have several things wrong with my role and it also actually contradicts itself. I would say that this basically makes me informed of something but also apparently there's a ton of red herrings.

Oh and hi Flavour and hi Hectic

VOTE: Ydrasse

Oh hi missed this. I can relate I kind’ve got a shit role too. :/

@FL

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Vanilla/Not Vanilla

Ydrasse - Not Vanila
Gamma Emerald
Venus Mars and Pluto - Not Vanilla
Morning Tweet - Not Vanilla
Titus
Xtoxm - Not Vanilla
Starcrossed
Hopkirk
Lunar Martian
chkflip
Dannflor
Firebringer
skitter30 - Not Vanilla
unwnd - Not Vanilla
RCEnigma
catboiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii - Vanilla
Chara - Not Vanilla

Yes, obviously Not Vanilla, I thought 1225 made that obvious.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

hia Ydrasse hi Gamma hi Nancy hi Auro hi Titus hi Xtoxm hi Pooky & Kanna hi Hoppy hi chkflip hi Dannflor hi again Fire! hi skitts hi unwnd hi catboi and Chara! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is stacked!

I have several things wrong with my role and it also actually contradicts itself. I would say that this basically makes me informed of something but also apparently there's a ton of red herrings.

Oh and hi Flavour and hi Hectic

VOTE: Ydrasse

Oh hi missed this. I can relate I kind’ve got a shit role too. :/

@FL

implying not vanilla, got it

Yep

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

<3

*purrs*

Knock it off Scumtic.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

If we were to be investigated, how should I respond to that? I think claiming aesetic guarantees our death but I may have to if I can’t come up with a better explanation.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

[quote="In post 1838, Venus Mars and Pluto"]If we were to be investigated, how should I respond to that? I think claiming aesetic guarantees our death but I may have to if I can’t come up with a better explanation.[/

Fuck. I thought this was our hydrq PT. Sorry Auro.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Not convinced that this isn't a scum slip, but I was already thinking they were ascetic or something like that as well, so it somewhat checks out.

I made this same kind of slip in RS. We were vig and I outed it in the main thread by mistake.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Not convinced that this isn't a scum slip, but I was already thinking they were ascetic or something like that as well, so it somewhat checks out.

I made this same kind of slip in RS. We were vig and I outed it in the main thread by mistake.

Subject: Micro 913: Radja's Story - Episode 2 - GAME OVER

This post is pinging something. Just feels awkward? Not sure how much of that is the fact that the post is framed as intra-hydra communication. eth0s, what do you not like about Creature "being so much of a tryhard"?

Nancy wrote that, it was supposed to be in our hydra thread.

-eth0s

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Not convinced that this isn't a scum slip, but I was already thinking they were ascetic or something like that as well, so it somewhat checks out.

I made this same kind of slip in RS. We were vig and I outed it in the main thread by mistake.

Subject: Micro 913: Radja's Story - Episode 2 - GAME OVER

This post is pinging something. Just feels awkward? Not sure how much of that is the fact that the post is framed as intra-hydra communication. eth0s, what do you not like about Creature "being so much of a tryhard"?

Nancy wrote that, it was supposed to be in our hydra thread.

-eth0s

Subject: Micro 913: Radja's Story - Episode 2 - GAME OVER

Actually, you may be on to something. I really don’t like how Creature is being so much of a tryhard. I think something may be off about him. His weird shade on Wimpy who wasn’t even prodging, is hella weird. It’s nort suspicious to point that out when a slot has been lurking for a significant period of time but Wimpy really wasn’t.

I think Creature could very possibly be scum here and if Gobble flips, red, I wouldn’t rule out bussing either. Gobble hates rolling scum.

I can’t believe I did this again. I shouldn’t post when I’m not fully awake.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

No offence but what drugs are you smoking and can you get me some?

its a booneytoonz game, why is hydra consistency guranteed?

Because it’s also a Krazy game and I got the exact same pm in my Nancy inbox as well as my VM & P inbox. Don’t make me lose my tr on you.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

If we were to be investigated, how should I respond to that? I think claiming aesetic guarantees our death but I may have to if I can’t come up with a better explanation.

lol is this a scum claim

It’s a hydra slip. I did the same exact thing in RS. We’re town. *mega swats Pooky into the next century*

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

All of these posts are town indicative for Auro.

lol at nancy trying to towncase her own hydra partner

Keep this up and I promise I will find some bear gifs that are being swatted. Not joking.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

unwnd, gun to head what is your read on the Venus/Pluto slot and why?

I think she's scum based on the pure notion of

They're not scumhunting.

I don't have an indepth assertion of their slot because this game isn't providing intricate tells, so a lot of what I consider is based at a surface level. None of their posts as of late indicate they want to talk about anything but themselves and how much they should be townread. It is in fact doing the opposite for me.

Are you blind? I’ve been very clearly sorting and making reads.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

venushydra please don’t have scumslipped i believe in youuuuu

@Ydrasse, I promise you I’m town here.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I feel like a lot of what you're doing around the slot is not very genuine? Like I understand people having personality clashes with the slot and not really understanding how they tend to function, but skitter has told you multiple times that Nancy's rather reactive reads aren't AI indicative for the slot, so your repeated efforts to try and get something else out the slot feel like busywork.

Like the quality of them not wanting to "talk about anything but themselves and how much they should be townread" is not a basis for a scum read on that slot, something skitter knows and has tried to tell you multiple times. The reason I'm so wary is Nancy is a very easy scum read to hold because of how reactive she can be to reads on her. I don't really get the sense from your prodding of the slot that you're trying to solve the slot by getting their opinions on other people.

Instead you're doing this LAMISTy thing where you tell them to solve and not worry about reads on them instead of like... actually digging deeper into your scum read on them?

If you haven't encountered this type of player before I understand having an aversion to the slot at first, but it seems like you're using a shallow first impression to push a scum read instead of going any number of levels deeper

Told you all, Dann is town.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Told you all, Dann is town.

Nancy I don't actually think you should be town reading me

Ask Auro what his read on me his, I think he would have a decent barometer

I will but I think I’m right on you.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

unwnd, gun to head what is your read on the Venus/Pluto slot and why?

I think she's scum based on the pure notion of

They're not scumhunting.

I don't have an indepth assertion of their slot because this game isn't providing intricate tells, so a lot of what I consider is based at a surface level. None of their posts as of late indicate they want to talk about anything but themselves and how much they should be townread. It is in fact doing the opposite for me.

Are you blind? I’ve been very clearly sorting and making reads.

So about the gamma thought then...

Are you even reading my ISO? What about Gamma? I hard tr them.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

That's a very circumstantial and a bit uninformed look about our interactions, I don't know why you made assumptions based on one or two instances of dialogue, given there is more to it. I've asked her to clarify on her reads (and other things such as her 'THERE MUST BE SCUM IN THE GAMMA VOTES') and instead she just goes back to essentially 'well you should townread me and im obvtown' you can see this for yourself. As for why I try to appease to her and say 'im not scumreading you for being nancy and I can't read AtE'? Should explain itself. At some point I have to make a logical conclusion that there is ulterior motive and that she is having trouble faking reads, so to make up for that she just ignores the necessity to do so.

I might have some bias given that I've played a lot with Nancy and feel like I have a pretty good idea of how to read her and also how to get her to produce content.

But I will say the 'well you should townread me and im obvtown' is largely alignment indicative, but comes out much more and with much fuller force when she's town. Mostly because I think she has trouble lying about things like that. There have been a few times as scum where Nancy has just dodged the question when I've straight up asked "should I be town reading you," which is why I'm town leaning the slot so far this game.

I think you'll find Auro to be the more readable part of the hydra from your perspective. I admit I still haven't read everything but have you interacted with that part of the hydra at all yet?

True but I might not do that always depending on the mechanic because that wasn’t a game where you could actually get yeeted but it is true in general.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

A big scumtell for me is lack of sensitivity and just wanting to seem like I know right answers

As town I'm a bleeding heart and almost always give someone benefit of the doubt, sue me

no that's fair, I'm like that too to an extent

I think Nancy places a lot of value in getting town read, like if she's not getting town read then that's her number one priority as town before trying to figure out other people's alignments. In general, I think she approaches people on an individual basis based on how they relate to her. So if she doesn't believe someone's read on her she hyperfocuses on that.

In fact I think she's a very sensitive player in that she's sensitive to how people are reading her and want it to be *correct* so when it's not she has to decide whether they're scum or wrong town.

@Unwnd, why are you calling me “insensitive”? Insensitive to what exactly?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Theory Xtoxm and Chkflip are scum together. In his short tome here Xtoxm has chainsawed both slots voting chkflip.

VOTE: xtoxm

ONE DAY YOU CAN READ ME

NOT TODAY

the irony.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

xtoxm doesn't really look like he has a vested interest in anything

If so, then why have his sole votes been on the two slots who voted chkflip? One is a sheepy wagon vote too.

Titus if xtoxm is scum here, I doubt he’d be that obvious.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

unwnd was referring to themselves, nancy

Sorry then @unwnd, I get accused of things comparable that in some of my past games and since Dann was talking about me, I guess I jumped to the wrong conclusion about that. I’m probably even more paranoid about that than being wrongly sr. I actually replaced out of a game because I got called “toxic”. So eventhough I know I haven’t been in the slightest in this game, it doesn’t stop me from being easily triggered by that. Sorry, I misunderstood. :/

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Back off from catboi. I have a solid TR on him and the pushes on him are crap. My VCA will show him as town on Day 4.

*sees hydra town casing their partner*

*glares*

stop glaring. it's town indicative

You do realize that Totus=Hectic right?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Omg 85 pages ;-;
Skitter halp, what should I read

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

VOTE: dannflor
I'm not confident he's scum but hey there's someone I genuinely have some scum feelings on as a wagon, so I'll vote there

I think you’re wrong. He’s been genuinely sorting. Pro-tip: scum!Dann is almost never lhf on D1. He has a really solid scumgame. Remember No Deadlines where he obvtowned a doomed obvscum slot and PA where he fooled all of us?

This is Dann from that anime game where everyone wanted him dead D1.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Lol @ the "how should I respond to that?" post

If we were to be investigated, how should I respond to that? I think claiming aesetic guarantees our death but I may have to if I can’t come up with a better explanation.

Why would town respond any other way than claiming Ascetic? Why would there be a different explanation..?

i realize that this lines up with how they were saying they had a shitty role earlier but i do find it somewhat odd they need "a better explanation" than being ascetic. Cause obviously claiming ascetic after everybody else does is.. weird

Because claiming aesetic means if there’s a doc or some other protective in this setup, we’re defenseless because no one can stop scum from killing us. How anyone interpreted my post any other way is a mystery for the ages. Why would claiming aesthetic even get us miselimed? We might as well claim macho.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I'm hectic right now but don't tell

we are all hectic alts on this blessed day

This is the post that pinged me from Dannflor
It’s moon logic but I read this as a subtle scum claim

That’s entirely NAI.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I've decided. This is my favorite role in mafia. Town Stump.

I just like...honestly don't not see me solving this game here when it gets to late game.

Like I can be 100% off right now, but I'm guaranteed to make it to end game, and I don't have to worry about rallying a specific type of momentum.

My entire goal is to just solve the puzzle. This is exhilarating.

This doesn't feel genuine. Are we sure that the game isn't to try and realize that Hectic is the Town stump and FL is Mafia?

FL is lock confirmed town stump. I don’t think scum tries this kind of gambit. I think lunar is town.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Omg 85 pages ;-;
Skitter halp, what should I read

-Pluto (Auro)

Auro, stop trying to get us miselimed.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

honestly a lot of it is fluff i think a lot of people are just taking a 'eh i'll just read the last three pages and talk to whoever's around' sort of approach

Ah but are there any specific pages you think are important which I could take a look at?

it did read like a scumslip

What? From my slot??? After I specifically asked my partners not to?

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Auro, stop trying to get us miselimed.

We're not doing town

COP

scum

COP

anymore?

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

what happened to auro >.>

it did read like a scumslip

We are aesetic and I didn’t want to claim it because we can’t be protected. However, I didn’t know how we’d explain it otherwise if we were investigated with a “no results”. So I was trying to think of a claim that would account for that which wouldn’t get us killed and Auro is now back to trying to stop us from getting NK’d. Because he knows I didn’t want scum to know we’re asetic.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

honestly a lot of it is fluff i think a lot of people are just taking a 'eh i'll just read the last three pages and talk to whoever's around' sort of approach

Ah but are there any specific pages you think are important which I could take a look at?

it did read like a scumslip

What? From my slot??? After I specifically asked my partners not to?

-Pluto (Auro)

TM has got me so overwhelmed and mentally exhausted (exactly like last year) that I hardly ate anything yesterday and almost fainted earlier. Ask Pooky, if anyone thinks I’m making this up. I still don’t feel great - even after finally getting some sleep because I fell asleep before I could really eat much of anything.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Auro, stop trying to get us miselimed.

We're not doing town

COP

scum

COP

anymore?

-Pluto (Auro)

???

Hectic knows we’re aesetic now so what’s the point?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

eh me/mt/chara interaction early in the game (like ~post 700 or so?)
gamma's wagon early game
xtoxm's pop-in
the small wagon on you that nancy was getting annoyed abt
dannflor

On a very fast ISO skim:

Gamma -> moderate townread
Xtoxm -> moderate townread
dann -> very weak townread

[Dann, no, I wouldn't have a good read on you this early. You think I should, by now? Very weak townread because your takes seem "free" (if that makes sense)]

Skitter30, which of these takes would you disagree with?

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

you should have just claimed ascetic and it looked like a slip
like four other people claimed ascetic already, and i don't think you should have been that worried abt getting protected or not

No we absolutely should never have and had we actually been investigated, we could deal with it then. Yes we’re worried because Hectic knows he can’t miselim us. He either needs to successfully get his entire team to pocket us or we’re dead. I thought if there’s was a way to prevent him from ever finding out we were saddled with aesetic and no one tried to investigate us, we’d have a shot but now he knows we’re essentially sitting ducks, we’re not living long in this game unless we’re townreading the entire scumteam.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

i am avoiding tm like the plague
it's just not worth it

If you weren’t reqired to know exactly what’s happening in 4 games including your own, it would actually be enjoyable. If you only had to focus on one game it’d be fine and I had to pause my chess games too and I don’t have time to eat or sleep.:/

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

dann i'm kinda like oscillating on but i'm ending up at nullscum on him

Interested in this, can you explain the towny v scummy parts from Dann and how that results in a net nullscum? If you've already explained please quote for me thanks

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

If we were to be investigated, how should I respond to that? I think claiming aesetic guarantees our death but I may have to if I can’t come up with a better explanation.

also this sounds like you were worried abt getting investigated, not abt getting protected

Yes because then we’d have to find a way to account for the “no results” response any possible PRs would get right. Because how else would we explain that? Which is why I was trying to find a claim that wouldn’t make us an easy NK.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

he also was like selectively ignoring things i felt like (but tbf some of that i think he ahsn't read)
but the things he's responding to are just very off
i'm not sure he should be as paranoid as he is of me - there's a lot of people that are just like lol-townbinning me and i think scum's doing it and he sort of feels like he's in that group

Isn't it much easier responding to the "right things" as scum than as town at this pace? You and I know Dann is certainly capable of it.
Anything specific you think he's been ignoring?

So is he lol-townbinning you or is he paranoid of you? O.o I know both can coexist but hmm, can you tl;dr his reasons for townreading you from your pov?

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

eh me/mt/chara interaction early in the game (like ~post 700 or so?)
gamma's wagon early game
xtoxm's pop-in
the small wagon on you that nancy was getting annoyed abt
dannflor

On a very fast ISO skim:

Gamma -> moderate townread
Xtoxm -> moderate townread
dann -> very weak townread

[Dann, no, I wouldn't have a good read on you this early. You think I should, by now? Very weak townread because your takes seem "free" (if that makes sense)]

Skitter30, which of these takes would you disagree with?

-Pluto (Auro)

Why the moderate Xtoxm townread? What’s he done that is so townie?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Why the moderate Xtoxm townread? What’s he done that is so townie?

As much as I would love to annoy people by discussing reads here, I'll discuss in our hydra chat unless someone else wants me to post. One sec.

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Ydrasse - Weak town
Gamma Emerald - Not memorable, but FL says town
Venus Mars and Pluto (Nancy Drew 39, Auro, and Shiro) - Lean scum, no real presence of Nancy/Shiro. No cookies.
Morning Tweet - Can be town
Titus - Me
Xtoxm - No presence
Starcrossed (Pooky+Kanna Hydra) - Odd, weak scumlean but FL has a point of everyone SRing the slot
Hopkirk - Weak town
Lunar Martian - Needs more
chkflip - When will he arrive?
Dannflor - Weak town, stronger opening but fell off
Firebringer - Town
skitter30 - Town miller
unwnd - Town voting them upon request
RCEnigma - Weak scum
catboiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii - Weak scum
Chara - Null

I tried to give a read on everyone. I want to get myself moving. Nothing's really strong though.

Still on same page stuff but Titus this reads list freaks me out a tiny bit. Mostly because you've played with me multiple times before and what the hell where on earth did you get that I had a strong opening from?

I don't even remember any of my own posts this game which is not a great sign!! So I'm just curious what exactly gave you strong vibes from me especially since you know I can do the surface level town stuff to at least some extent as scum.

And given I have no memory of my own posts and I was phone posting the whole time I doubt I did much more than poke at surface level stuff that caught my eye at the time

Also another point, I don't understand why you're doing this readslist. You have everyone at weak-something or null and some of these, like my read or the read on Starcrossed (which just says "odd" with no elaboration?) seem a bit like you're just tossing stuff out there. Which is fine if you're trying to get yourself going but I'm also not seeing you use this as a springboard to go in any specific direction. Like you're not trying to dig into why I "fell off," or what is odd about Starcrossed and why everyone seems to scum read them. You're just kinda throwing out what I can assume are fairly luke-warm takes and leaving it at that.

maybe you'll get more productive but this empty spinning-wheels sorta thing isn't the type of content I expect from you even to "get yourself started"

dann this post is weird and feels scummy to me :/

i hated this post from dunn, it just felt very wrong
he also was like selectively ignoring things i felt like (but tbf some of that i think he ahsn't read)
but the things he's responding to are just very off
i'm not sure he should be as paranoid as he is of me - there's a lot of people that are just like lol-townbinning me and i think scum's doing it and he sort of feels like he's in that group

and like i'm not sure i particularly townread anything but i'm not sure those are *strong* reasons to scumread him, if that makes sense

I didn’t agree with it because I read this post as being town indicative for Titus. I suppose it’s possible he’s pocketing me here but he just sounds really genuine in his posts, particularly the posts I quoted like his response to RCE for example.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I see. What do you make of Titus?

-Pluto (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

he acted like he was townreading me too early given his prior interactions with me. so i asked him abt it and he kinda gave a wishy-washy 'eh i don't want to form a strong read on you yet':

dann how r u reading me?

also again unwnd i agree that your points are totally valid but it's nai for her

I don't really have a read on you and I'm not foolish enough to try and form one based off the few posts I've read from you.

I don't feel I'm going to have a read on you for a while

which i guess is kinda fair but like prior to this he was kinda talking to me like he thought i was town

actually skitter that's not completely true

I had you registered as possible scum early on because I didn't think your suspicion of RCE was genuine. I don't really still hold that read and I think it was partially paranoia talking, which I'm trying really hard to not let impact my read on you

here's the random paranoia

and his next interaction with/abt me was to go see who i was voting to sheep my vote, which was unfortunate cuz i was votign him at the time

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he basically missed like 1500 posts and sometimes it's hard to jump back in as scum, and he felt kinda akward and forced
the titus post i quoted above was one of the first ones and it just felt kinda wrong

i don't remember offhand what he ignored but i remember thinking it at least twice.

Can you link/quote these posts? I’ve probably skiped over a few or not read them properly.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I wouldn't bet on me either but if I understand correctly I have a minimum of 75% likelihood of being town from y'all's perspective.

Yah that's a pretty good reason to just townread Titus!!

@Titus: Likewise what's your read on Skitter and Dann?

-Not a planet anymore (Auro)

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

don't really have a read on her
gun-to-head town but wouldn't like bet on that or anything

I wouldn't bet on me either but if I understand correctly I have a minimum of 75% likelihood of being town from y'all's perspective.

@Skitter, do you honestly think Hectic tries to wifom us with a fake Titus alt post if he picked her? Besides she’s one of 3vt claims and she clearly didn’t know that Hectic was behind that alt. CB is town for objecting to it and I think I even thought for a second that Flavor loaf or whatever was actually FL for a bit.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I wouldn't bet on me either but if I understand correctly I have a minimum of 75% likelihood of being town from y'all's perspective.

Yah that's a pretty good reason to just townread Titus!!

@Titus: Likewise what's your read on Skitter and Dann?

-Not a planet anymore (Auro)

We really don’t need to worry what astronomers think but whatever.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Which posts?

About Dann. I want to reread these posts you referenced again.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Did u claim vanilla? I dont remember

Titus did, not us but I assume you mean her right?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Ok you can be town then! What's your impression on my slot now that Nancy has posted?

(Went back and read my slot's "slip", lulz)

-Pluto (Auro)