TemporalLich's Grand Idea [Game Over]

[Rebel Radio]

hey girl heyyyy

[Rebel Radio]

VOTE: jake
i cc pooky ======[ ]

[Rebel Radio]

[Rebel Radio]

dayvig: jake

[Rebel Radio]

imagine thinking i'd read anything that's over 2 lines long in a grand idea game

wild

agreed, posts are too long these days.
petition to make posts shorter


alright now that pooky's off the trail, let's talk shit
VOTE: disney princesses

[Rebel Radio]

terry and i had such a great time on our date today. my favorite part was when he forgot to take me on our romantic helicopter trip to mexico and i had to wait on the helipad alone for 5 hours. i'm really starting to feel a special connection with him that i haven't felt with any guy before, especially my ex-fiance who i broke up with 2 days before coming on this show. if he picks me, we'll immediately have kids and live off of instagram sponsorships.

[Rebel Radio]

Ok who are the 3 ppl who didnt confirm their role so we had to wait the full 48 hours

fess tf up now

-koba

[Rebel Radio]

also 14 town players? perfect we dont have to pretend to be scummy / stupid LOL during pregame hellbooks and i were discussing how we should potentially act scummy/under the radar in case theres too many scum in order to survive both day and night play

[Rebel Radio]

oh almost forgot:

[Rebel Radio]

first impressions:

samantha not town

korina jester(obvious)

pooky scum

unwnd town

[Rebel Radio]

first impressions:

samantha not town

aww dkkoba being wrong is a towntell

i ended up townreading u before i got force replaced so get outta here with that
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

on further inspection i also think Raya and Cook are also Not Town.

-koba

[Rebel Radio]

POOKY DON'T FALL FOR THE ATE.
YOU KNOW IT'S BAD TIMES
I STILL FEEL BAD!

Also I missed the census results, I think I'm happy in that pool today.

The reason I think is because someone needs to stop my head spinning.

Ooooo if someone wants to give me a post restriction I'd be well happy

Do we have have hydras in hydras?

Ngl I have no freaking clue whos who in this game.

Now where was that wagon....
Korina, Magnus, Pooky and Raya...

VOTE: Magnus?

scum for sure with this kinda post

-koba

[Rebel Radio]

POOKY DON'T FALL FOR THE ATE.
YOU KNOW IT'S BAD TIMES
I STILL FEEL BAD!

Also I missed the census results, I think I'm happy in that pool today.

The reason I think is because someone needs to stop my head spinning.

Ooooo if someone wants to give me a post restriction I'd be well happy

Do we have have hydras in hydras?

Ngl I have no freaking clue whos who in this game.

Now where was that wagon....
Korina, Magnus, Pooky and Raya...

VOTE: Magnus?

scum for sure with this kinda post

-koba

ohai koba <3

im pookythemagical bear actually
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

hellbooks head v/la thru monday btw ~~
r we signing? i made the first 4 posts

- hbewks

[Rebel Radio]

First 7 posts that is. all the unsigned ones
-h

[Rebel Radio]

VOTE: raya
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

dsjtr is town -koba

[Rebel Radio]

on further inspection i also think Raya and Cook are also Not Town.

-koba

What are your reasons for either? Raya is currently my strongest townread and while I don't have an impression on Cook he is one of my very special FAST FRIENDS so I'd like to minimize erroneous pushes on him.

Im so sorry u rolled scum with raya. But both hellbooks and i agree this is scum raya personality.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

Can you quote which posts you find pure/well intentioned? -koba

[Rebel Radio]

Very interesting. So we have Korina, Pooky, Magnus, and me.

Assuming you're telling the truth, 2 in Korina, Pooky, and Magnus from my perspective is really not a bad pool

I wonder if we're dealing with a lot of scum this game. 50% of the votes on one player seems like a lot, especially right at the start of the game when barely anyone has come in.

Also are third party considered scum or do they have their own general term?

tooge gates me that sux

Hot take: Pooky is one of the scum on the wagon. Kind of an easy claim

VOTE: Pooky

So you don't actually think Korina is uncultable or do you just think the restriction is trolling. Not sure I follow what part you think is the lie.

That's true. If I had that ability I probably wouldn't use it right away on the start of the first wagon.

UNVOTE:

The bulk of my townread on Raya is based on this progression. I liked her #35 because immediately drew focus on a limited scum pool that included her; if she was scum and she believed the claim, I think it would be smarter to see if other people bought it before responding/I find it unlikely she would be willing to give it credence.

I liked the push on Pooky based on the pool because it's consistent with her thoughts elsewhere - would have been easy for her to continue pushing Korina but instead she expresses skepticism because the wagon moved too fast, makes sense that she wouldn't push Magnus based on the townlean she mentions later, so Pooky is the last one left.

And backing off the claim completely after someone points out reasoning seemed pure to me since it just doesn't really looks like Raya has an agenda with all of this - she takes a lot of different perspectives in a short amount of time and seems as willing to abandon something as she is to start it which is very much how town should be approaching the game at this stage.

Imma be real with u
Ur describing how raya plays as scum lol

[Rebel Radio]

scum for sure with this kinda post

-koba

Agree with this take.


I do not understand the townreads on dsjstr right now.
-Early posts are just explaining how grand idea works, nothing ai.
-His logic on unwnd makes it look like he either hasn't read or is ignoring what other people have said about the claim.

dsjtr is a lhf player, their playstyle attracts scumreads.

-koba
u have to kinda adjust normal reading methods to read him properly.

[Rebel Radio]

also what does everyone think abt a d1 massclaim? I think this guarantees we catch out AT LEAST 1 scum with a bad claim.

i was mulling it over during work and think itd be a good move.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

jake wheres ur head at rn.

[Rebel Radio]

just 1 slot?

-koba

[Rebel Radio]

Official Pooky Cult:

Pooky - Cult Leader
Korina - High Priest
DSJ - ???

what do you want to be DSJ?

POOKY IS TOWN. NOTHING WILL CHANGE MY OPINION ON THIS. NOT EVEN THEM FLIPPING SCUM.

we get it u are jester now calm down and just get nightkilled its ok
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

also so sad pooky did indeed roll mafia. at least we are also pookythemagical bear and are town so that is a consolation.

-koba

[Rebel Radio]

i dont like cults very much: viewtopic.php?f=84&t=83261

[Rebel Radio]

We should probably just eliminate Korina.

how come?
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

VOTE: pooky

policy any and all claims that are non-town

-koba

also if there are 2 jesters in this game i will cry.

[Rebel Radio]

normally I'd support d1 massclaim but there's so much more that can go wrong in grand idea than normal

oh so NOW you are opposed to massclaim??? when theres more evidence pointing towards a benefit than not... >.>
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

claims are limited - it'd be a simple matter to see who faked theirs
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

also why are people ignoring the fact that pooky literally has claimed notTown?

[Rebel Radio]

and not everyone has the patience to wade through roles / claim well - we can quite easily sift out at least 1 fake claimer

[Rebel Radio]

I agree that I don't think 100% of fakeclaims would hold up, but there are op roles that snowball with information

and town holds 14 of them that can work out for us.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

claims are limited - it'd be a simple matter to see who faked theirs
-koba

"Limited"

Yea, we're only limited to 9900+ roles! Suuuper limiting.

you think every player at this table that might have rolled scum is going to read through all of them? plus theres town roles that are literally self clearing if anything, or pseudo self clearing.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

and when their behavior doesnt match up with the role theyre claiming - theres ur scum.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

Humour me Koba, are you actually willing to go into deep behaviour analysis to root out fakeclaims?
If you are, then whats your opinion on my behaviour so far?

withholding rn
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

which only makes an immediate massclaim an even worse idea

bit wrong but ok. u sound guilty with this kinda fear
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

Both withholding!

[Rebel Radio]

We should power lim a lurker that doesn't normally lurk regardless cuz scum here are scared of other scum factions and the rope

[Rebel Radio]

Whats sus about us?
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

do you disagree with my take about lurkers in a multiball setup?
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

Flea has joined my Cult

VOTE: Rebel Radio

let us purge this town of naysayers and deniers of the Greatness of the All-Mighty

god pooky is so obvious lmfao

cmon everyone lets get this outta here -koba

[Rebel Radio]

what is everyones read on pooky.
-koha

[Rebel Radio]

I don't see the reason for all the rebel votes.
Rather, mostly, I feel like it's because they're being more of a flamethrower and silly town are being mixed in with opportunistic scum.
I have no idea how many votes are on them though.

i like this take if only bc it is pretty accurate and defusing

[Rebel Radio]

mindmeld with rebel on wolf, tbh, or at first
but present push on non-town claim pooky seems disingenuous, reaching/hopeful at best, but don't think they're that innocent to be hopeful)
raya, was feeling strongly, but fell asleep and feelings vanished because apathy, would still keep an eye on wolf, or revisit

i'll play)
VOTE: radio

how is it disingenuous?

[Rebel Radio]

so when do we activate our IC ability? Do i wait for more scum to pile on to get a bigger poe? -koba

[Rebel Radio]

someone give a reason to not vote for hayker

I dont think they're towntelling, theyre in my current poe and ive has success finding them as scum early. -koba

[Rebel Radio]

You're absolutely correct and I want someone to someone make me want to make good posts instead of half-hearted ones

I tr u can u explain why u think I'm scum? I feel like u should be more cautious after you fumbled a read on me in our last game
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

God dsjtr is so easy for me to read LOL stay the same dsj.
fr never elim dsjtr this game-koba

[Rebel Radio]

VOTE: hayker flea why do u scumread me btw? U never answered. U have seen me as town quite a few times u should know how i look like there.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

korina is town

spiffy is town, not so sure about spiffeh

Why is korina town?

[Rebel Radio]

lol that beetlejuice tho

[Rebel Radio]

hey dude u got a wagon forming on u and ur first response was to pile onto another without even wondering about ur own?
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

korina is town

spiffy is town, not so sure about spiffeh

Why is korina town?

i know this can be confusing, but town aligned players are the ones that received a town role pm at the start of the game. hope that helps!

Cut it out. This is a non answer, and disproportionate to the question asked in this situation. Now why is korina town to you?
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

korina is town

spiffy is town, not so sure about spiffeh

Why is korina town?

i know this can be confusing, but town aligned players are the ones that received a town role pm at the start of the game. hope that helps!

Cut it out. This is a non answer, and disproportionate to the question asked in this situation. Now why is korina town to you?
-koba

wow ur really serious about this game huh

I am playing towards my win con, yeah.

but your response was 100% unnecessary and only serves to inflame.

now whats your read on korina?
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

If Korina is town, then they were acting anti-town by trying to start a wagon on themselves.

it wasn't the self vote that pinged her as anti town, its the way she acted about it, trying to come off as scummy on purpose.

latching on to an early self vote in rvs is a low level read, and is not accurate at all. (in fact it leans town since the motivation is usually to find reactions to the self vote lol)

why do u think its scummy?

-koba

[Rebel Radio]

what is everyones read on pooky.
-koha

I think Pooky is just messing around about the cult stuff. I just looked back at his iso and he also said he's a confirmable tpr.

He's playing his scum meta rn, so I don't really buy it.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

k whatever.

i dont think that will amount to anything if im being honest, their day play i find scummy still outside of that.

im going to just keep my vote on hayker for now.

-koba

[Rebel Radio]

I think Korina's jester playing and should be ignored for now, or is trying to gambit us into not voting them.

pretty relatable analysis. got anything else?
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

ok so we have 14 town slots - i will try to sort the playerlist into 2(maybe 3 if i dont rly have an opinion on a nuller slot lol) and see if we cant solve it better from there.

i wanna try something and see if i cant narrow down a good 7 player PoE to work from.

also im tipsy now so lets go

-koba

[Rebel Radio]

God dsjtr is so easy for me to read LOL stay the same dsj.
fr never elim dsjtr this game-koba

o7

Here me out, I had a thought that Koba was a role that wins when a person they select gets killed, so 3rd party most likely if what I said is fact

They are trying to say I'm so town that mafia kills me and they win but get this that is not Kobas role so mafia wastes their kill on me which FUCK YOU

sorry I didn't mean it,

nooooo thats not true

but rly like i townread u and ive had success in townreading u before correctly im just confident on it.

-koba

also list coming soon i got distracted with discord + mod duties on epicmafia(am a site mod there now)

[Rebel Radio]

this feels like scum koba

if it was town koba, they would've just joined my cult and we would be MYSTIC BEARS REUNITED and shitpost the fk out of this thread

instead they are very agenda-y and have come up with some real dumb reasons to SR me that make 0 sense.

like think about it koba

why t f would scum!Pooky claim a confirmable TPR and try to take thread control on Day 1 of a Large Theme Game that is more or less confirmed multiball?

Do I look like I want to be shot in the face at night ?

Their thought process is maybe only one level deep and I know TOWN KOBA is too big brain for that shit

i didnt see the town pr claim and only saw the cult claim which i felt was u claiming 3rd party and trying to roll with it.

i already stated im willing to shelve the matter.

does that change ur mind about my "agenda"?
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

i dont do cults, i already brought 1 cult down in micro 945. ill do it again here.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

town pile:
rebel radio
confident:
dsjstr
unwnd(please have some humility on your read towards me, we can be an effective townblock together)
ndmath(mainly based off bending)

semi confident:
vax(i read them wrong in a recent large game, egregiously. but now i know what to look for so hopefully i can do better)
samantha
magnus
jake
angry birds(their tone in their few posts comes off as "idgaf" and like i find them gut town)
bell
toog- mainly based on claim and them being similar to booneytoonz game.

these players overall I am not interested in eliminating today.

[Rebel Radio]

It feels like scum!Koba to me too mainly because they aren't making much sense and I know town!Koba makes sense. But 560 felt very genuine and like they want to solve the game. Not that scum!Koba can't make that post though.

what?

i never make sense

get outta here.

but maybe u are town for this observation bc u were scum twice against me so maybe now without being informed u think i dont make sense lol
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

now: scum / not town pile:

confident:
hayker
flea
korina
nono

perhaps:
cook
disney princesses

[Rebel Radio]

and my null pile :

guillotina: not enough content really to sort but lean town
raya: were in my scum pile but recent post actually made me reconsider lol
particularly stupid: not sure if just fucking around or just scum. playing anti town tho.
pooky- claims a resolveable PR. i dont exactly buy it. their push on me feels bad too as if they want to only discredit me rather than convince me they are town.

[Rebel Radio]

now: scum / not town pile:

confident:
hayker
flea
korina
nono

perhaps:
cook
disney princesses

looking to vote mainly in this pile here, i am sure of at least 3 non town players being in this pile, i dont believe i would be anymore wrong than that much.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

o7 70 posts you are on timeout I have never posted this much

o7

check my logs I have not come this far to lose to spam

you have played with me, you know i am an active player and love to do in thread interactions D:

what do u think of my reads list i posted in regards to my groupings?

-koba

[Rebel Radio]

o7

I know that Koba can post a lot this is universally known you still can't post
....

I also believe your team mate has been afk

hellbooks is currently v busy irl, i've been keeping her updated. we will have a better discussion tomorrow(monday)
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

oh 211 was from me, i forgot to sign - koba

[Rebel Radio]

I don't see the reason for all the rebel votes.
Rather, mostly, I feel like it's because they're being more of a flamethrower and silly town are being mixed in with opportunistic scum.
I have no idea how many votes are on them though.

Then vote scum with us, then.

what makes vax scum to you?
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

his tone is towny - and bsed on his low post count i dont think u can confidently sort him as scum here

over the other slots? no
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

My problem I have right now is that I keep shirking my own responsibility. I am sick and tired of being a pioneer.

Current direction of the thread bores me. This thread needs a bit more writhing negativity and I have a lot to spare. Content being thrown out is mostly unaccomplished, and I feel at a disconnect with most of it. Understandably a cause of D1-itis but it doesn't have to be so prevalent that wagon makeup is just split votes on people with similar behavior. DP why are you voting Vax? Oh yeah it's because he's listless and his content sucks. Why am I voting Cook? Pretty much same reason. Work with me here. What makes your scumread more scummier than mine. Sidenote: Angry Birds you seemed interested in my Bell thought but then voted Cook instead? Why?

I'll start addressing a few other things. Rebel-- All I said to you is 'don't townread them' and apparently this notion was enough to..be townread? I don't get why you're offering me to be apart of your townblock while also alluding to a recent game where I misread you meta meta meta I get it. Just seems like it's all in a bubble. A lot of the claims against you seem to be focused mostly on meta so I guess that's a bit ironic huh? I don't townread you because I just don't think you're townie. It doesn't matter to me if you were townie in another game, we're talking right now. I am cautious to you floating a (townread) to me and I think your concept of townblocking right now is with false initiative. If I had to dabble in meta I would say that you're more reliant on the game reacting to

your

content but it seems to be the complete opposite right now.

What else is there to shake my fist at? The Korina votes are pretty worthless and Bell you're not townie by continuing to stay there. Explain your tinfoil harder or get comfortable in a strait jacket. I guess if I had to humor myself I really do not like Bell/Cook and they're both just happening to stay on Korina. I just expect way more.

if you think i townread you based on not townreading us then you need work on how you read slots like mine
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

koba don't leave me hanging I'm planning on going to bed soon but I refuse until you explain why you're townreading Vaxkiller

i just dont vibe with them as scum and only X players can be scum out of 21 and i already filled those slots.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

Again, not really seeing anywhere that I can contribute.

If you have a place for me to put a vote, I'll sheep you.

Otherwise, I'm sitting here, as my role requires people to be dead to do anything.

you dont have any original thoughts? u dont wanna push to advance ur own win condition if ur town

i dont get it.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

hayker is scum to me

are u townreading hayker?
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

you are also in my scum pile so sorry if im not immediately sheeping a scumread -koba

[Rebel Radio]

and bsed on his low post count i dont think u can confidently sort him as scum here

You are voting Hayker.

hayker's posts are all scummy - vs vax where i feel they can lean town
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

3 scum reads are voting vax + 1 null read vs 2 townreads are voting with me on hayker - i am trusting this PoV better -koba

[Rebel Radio]

ok i didnt word it well , you are attaching to technicalities.

it is that i did not think have anything scummy in their limited post to be confident enough to scumread while hayker's actiosn more line up to a scum meta i have seen in a game i was in with them recently -koba

[Rebel Radio]

i dont think u are aligned with vax if they are scum but i dont trust u as town -koba

[Rebel Radio]

ok i didnt word it well , you are attaching to technicalities.

it is that i did not think have anything scummy in their limited post to be confident enough to scumread while hayker's actiosn more line up to a scum meta i have seen in a game i was in with them recently -koba

I'm trying to get more out of you other than "Hayker is scummy because he's scummy and Vax is townie because he's townie".

What game are you referencing? What are the similarities to his scum game? Do you have a town game to act as a baseline as well?

A recent large game - they were actually both scum together. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85512
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

hayker also had a very low post count that game
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

can you link a town game?
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

VOTE: Bell

The game is kattywhampus. My reads are my own.

and what are your reads?

[Rebel Radio]

magnus, whats ur feel about my personal reads list and how i sorted the blocks?
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

eliminating non town mainatins town numbers.
its always optimal.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

UNVOTE:

[Rebel Radio]

hayker claim.

-koba

[Rebel Radio]

if you push to vote this through quick im going to turbo vote you d2.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

all of you.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

I want to hear from the slots who have not talked at all since daystart like guillotina before we yeet this. and hayker may happen to have a claim that makes them clear. but first post from them in here needs to be a claim.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

im not saying dont yeet hayker im saying dont rush it when we dont need to
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

magnus can you talk to me about your scumread on me?
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

can you explain what you see differently from my town games in the past?
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

I am not trying to bring toxicity into my games anymore - but its not alignment indicative.
if you think you can read me based on personality tells please abandon the venture as I only get caught via the way I form reads.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

Anyone else thinking Koba should justify their reads before asking for everyone elses.

how about you stop trying to stifle conversation because this doesnt help.
if you want me to answer questions about my reads u should try being direct with me
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

I havent read anything since the last time i posted and dont plan to at least until tomorrow.

Who is mafia?

stop this. its fake.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

I havent read anything since the last time i posted and dont plan to at least until tomorrow.

Who is mafia?

stop this. its fake.
-koba

It's legit, prove me wrong.

go read the game and present some content please
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

Anyone else thinking Koba should justify their reads before asking for everyone elses.

how about you stop trying to stifle conversation because this doesnt help.
if you want me to answer questions about my reads u should try being direct with me
-koba

I am nothing but direct with you koba, I've too much respect for your game and your style to play ring-around-a-rosie with you.
You're currently my favoured elimination. You're asking lots of questions but giving no answers to what people ask of you. You're info farming.

It'd be great to have a summary of notable events cause reading 20+ pages tomorrow is gonna be hell

korina claimed 3p survivor mason (Toad from mario)

that's it

That's it? 34 pages and that's the notable event?

Why is Hayker a wagon?

Read the ISO, it's 7 posts.

how is my "info farming" scum motivated to you?
and where am I not giving answers? can you quote it?
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

preferred wagon bc I fos you raya you can't even explain why I'm mafia. You did this last game too
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

raya is tunneled in on only my slot because as scum they need to not be aware of others in the gamestate, something they were guilty of as scum in a previous game with both of us.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

I think I am comfortable swapping PS and Guillotina in my reads piles (guillotina from null -> scum, PS from Scum -> Null)
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

dsjtr can you unvote for me?
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

Flea, when you're town your reads actually have substance, which here it's blatant you don't and, similarly to raya, are tunneled in on me and are unable to comment on others(while that specific trait is something you are able to avoid when scum though.)

It looks to me that you feel threatened by me and wish to silence/discredit me instead of trying to resolve my slot. Feel free to prove otherwise by actually engaging with me though.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

I'm trying to not be as aggressive as I used to be in games - this is a new playstyle I'm trying. Regardless no matter how smart you think you are, you're not going to catch me based on my personality because I play the same between alignments in that regard. I don't remember you ever catching me as scum as I don't think I have rolled scum against you.

You're just cementing my belief that you are uninterested in trying to sort me and are keen on discrediting me / painting me as scum.

And I'm not disputing anything you're saying? I'd say that trying to pull more reasoning out of you is quite the opposite. I'm not scum - so you think I'm gonna just nod my head and be like "yup thats correct" instead of tell you you're flat out wrong on your points? I'm trying to get you to elaborate and you're just giving these vague nothings that are NAI for me. Of course I'm going to dismiss your points when they aren't really points against me. Try harder.
And I never mentioned you having townreads. I said you don't have many reads at all here - and acknowledged that point was moreso not as relevant.

How about you try engaging me in good faith if you're town? Or are you feeling trapped into tunneling me because you are indeed scum?
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

Ok how many times do I need to ask you: WHAT INFO AM I WITHHOLDING. <- answer this. Your scumread seems to hinge on this supposed behavior and its false.

You're either playing in extremely bad faith here as town or you're scum. And its nicer to consider you scum here fmpov since you won't engage like a normal player with someone trying to have a conversation with you.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

preferred wagon bc I fos you raya you can't even explain why I'm mafia. You did this last game too
-koba

I already did explain why I think you're mafia though. And I also think Flea has a good point too.

raya is tunneled in on only my slot because as scum they need to not be aware of others in the gamestate, something they were guilty of as scum in a previous game with both of us.
-koba

What? I'm aware of others?

What are your reads?

And where have you explained how I'm mafia? Can you explain why that read has been static this whole time somehow?

-koba

[Rebel Radio]

Do you think scum!koba unvotes hayker here to keep the day going with me as the 2nd largest wagon(granted not by a lot) - this is just simple occam's razor, I'm actively diffusing a wagon in order to get better reads on everyone because there will be blood likely tonight in the slots that are threats to the various scum factions. So I feel an imperative to get as much info on the table as we can on d1.

-koba

[Rebel Radio]

That's one thing, and easily explained that I don't want you to adjust your behavior/claim based on what I am saying. I will explain in the future if it does become relevant and we have claims. Anything else?
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

Like if you think that thats some smoking gun that makes me scum, then it must make the whole table scum with that level of standards for scumreading someone.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

I am willing to believe Rebel's change in tone is not exclusive to their alignment and will instead be judging them on their intentions

keep the humility going since u misread me last game bc I townread u here again and im not going thru that again please
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

but you are correct taht tonal reads are useless for me because I can fake tone easily being from a chat mafia background - but certain actions you should realize that I am more and more likely to be town and I will most likely be resolved in nightplay(likely tonight) and there's no real point in obsessing over my slot.

-koba

[Rebel Radio]

That's one thing, and easily explained that I don't want you to adjust your behavior/claim based on what I am saying. I will explain in the future if it does become relevant and we have claims. Anything else?
-koba

Given this is directly relevant to my considerations of your thoughts behind a massclaim, this is relevant now.

Are you willing to do deep behaviour analysis of every player in this game as a result of a massclaim happening, which not only gives scum full setup information and a target list, but has zero pro-town benefits aside from finding 1 scum.

we aren't massclaiming right now.

drop it.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

Like if you think that thats some smoking gun that makes me scum, then it must make the whole table scum with that level of standards for scumreading someone.
-koba

It's WIFOM, koba, it doesn't make you scum but it doesn't make you not scum.

Gods above and I'm the one mid BPD episode rn...

But you're convinced I"m scum based off that since you cited it. What else is there then?

I've explained my tonal change between my towngame since the last (do i need to link the ban thread for you?) -> thats irrelevant here

I've just explained why I am not talking about the massclaim stuff now-because its not relevant now since we aren't doing it and I dont want people to manipulate their behavior for it.

You said that I'm withholding info though, what OTHER info am I withholding? Because you're making it seem like I'm just saying nothing now.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

Ok - what do you think my intents were behind the massclaim suggestion? My push to get one will only get stronger as the days go on. I thought it might be a good idea. I already have an answer why I asked out loud but pray tell, what did you think my intentions were there?
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

also can I get a reads list on the whole table from you?, even if its just separating players into groups.

-koba

[Rebel Radio]

I'm kinda frustrated because I think there's a small chance you are mistaken town and that makes me upset since it means you aren't reading what I am actually saying when I'm coming to you in good faith. Just because I'm telling you you're wrong doesn't mean im not approaching you in good faith, I'm just trying to narrow down your arguments and see where you're coming from with your reads, mainly on me.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

*facepalmheaddesk*

I know you got banned Koba and I was devastated. I was fully in your pocket in the game prior to that btw. I'm not reading you on the tonal change. I'm reading you on what you're doing now.

You're now avoiding answering a question actively regarding deep behaviour analysis.

You're withholding information on your read on me, and from memory some other reads too when you've been asked.

What about your ability btw? The one where you were judging the size of the pool? Did anything come of that? I'll accept a yes/no answer there.

I guess it'd be bad tact - but I fudged that ability in order to get a reaction.

I'm mostly vanilla and wanted to use that as a way to get reads off the situation.

-koba

[Rebel Radio]

vote hayker pls anyone and everyone

No. We're in the middle of a conversation.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

Anyone who tries to cut this conversation short is scumclaiming, i dont care what hayker flips since its multiball.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

Ok - what do you think my intents were behind the massclaim suggestion? My push to get one will only get stronger as the days go on. I thought it might be a good idea. I already have an answer why I asked out loud but pray tell, what did you think my intentions were there?
-koba

Initially I wasn't sure, but I know you're not daft enough to try and break the game that easily and make it easy for scum so I was suspicious the more I considered it. D1 Massclaim is never good and as time passes, sure it gets more viable.
Using deep behaviour analysis though is going to take longer and longer the longer the game goes because no matter who is left you've still got the player list to worry about.

also can I get a reads list on the whole table from you?, even if its just separating players into groups.

-koba

No. I started refusing these on D1 a while ago because I got fed up of being asked for them. My strong reads should be more than clear.

You know that its multiball? Like scum are going to shoot at eachother too.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

I think its a valuable conversation actually, and if I remember correctly, last time you were rushing eliminations, by quickhammering them yourself, you were scum. So you being impatient here is NAGL samantha.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

dark fairy was a pretty large outlier game and most people had that sentiment - but this early? no
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

I'm oftentimes a N1/N2 kill so I'd like to have as much time as possible to have an impact this game.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

i think im starting to understand flea's headspace a bit better and i feel more at ease with the slot for now
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

honestly should we just turbo korina since she's all but hardclaimed not town at this point? she is clearly not playing town wincon and has claimed as much so far. i honestly dont care much for survivor if they are one since survivors can just scumside easily.

but also reminder Hayker if you're reading this you're expected to full claim next post you make.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

That's fine by me. That's 28 hours of discussion time.

Do you have any solid reads rn samantha? Like anyone you think is solidly scum/town outside of hayker?
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

I want to see more from Nono, Jake, and Vax before day ends if we have to hammer this early btw
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

sup - whats ur reasoning for voting hayker rn?
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

I mean whether or not u are scum there is probably scum on the wagon from a different scum faction at the very least. lol
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

hayker, who would you say is scum on your wagon?
-koba6

[Rebel Radio]

I already said I'll handle korina

as for hayker, he could just not post for the next 28 hours

UH WHAT DOES THIS MEAN SAM
I'M VERY SCARED YOU'RE A VIG AND YOU'RE GOING TO SHOOT ME

You should 100% be vigged tonight.
i am 100% voting u tomorrow as u are claimed non town esp if we flip town today.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

I already said I'll handle korina

as for hayker, he could just not post for the next 28 hours

UH WHAT DOES THIS MEAN SAM
I'M VERY SCARED YOU'RE A VIG AND YOU'RE GOING TO SHOOT ME

You should 100% be vigged tonight.
i am 100% voting u tomorrow as u are claimed non town esp if we flip town today.
-koba

AND YOU ARE SCUM. WHY DON'T YOU JUST NIGHT KILL ME KOBA? LITERALLY I'M SAYING I'M NOT SIDING WITH ANYONE THIS GAME, UNLESS DOING SO WOULD END THE GAME. YOU HAVE NO INCENTIVE TO LYNCH ME, UNLESS YOU'RE SCARED I WOULD BETRAY YOU.

IN FACT, LET'S BREAK DOWN WHO WOULD BE SCARED OF A SURVIVOR BETRAYING THEM ON DAY ONE SPECIFICALLY:
- ANYONE WHO IS ALIGNED WITH JUST THEMSELVES, AND IS NOT A SURVIVOR/JESTER/UNJESTER/ETC—(NAMELY JUST SERIAL KILLER)

TOWN CAN AFFORD TO KEEP ME ALIVE BECAUSE IF THEY LYNCH 5/7 SCUM, AND WE GET A COP GUILTY ON THE LAST SCUM, I VOTE WITH TOWN BECAUSE THAT ENDS THE GAME.
MAFIA CAN AFFORD TO KEEP ME ALIVE BECAUSE IF THEY GET DOWN TO EQUAL NUMBERS, AND ME, THEY WIN BECAUSE I SIDE WITH MAFIA BECAUSE THAT ENDS THE GAME.
WEREWOLF CAN DO THE SAME THING.
CULT CAN DO THE SAME THING.
PIRATE CAN DO THE SAME THING.
ALIEN CAN DO THE SAME THING.
ALTERNATIVE MAFIA CAN DO THE SAME THING.

THE ONLY PERSON WHO ACTUALLY TRULY WANTS ME DEAD ON DAY ONE WOULD VERY LIKELY BE A SERIAL KILLER.
YOU ARE SCUM FOR TRYING TO LYNCH ME.
PLEASE STOP TRYING TO LYNCH THE NEUTRAL SURVIVOR CLAIM.

ur not modconfirmed survivor to me.

also survivors dont insta claim d1.

so i kinda call bullshit. u just sound like someone using the claim as a shield.

survivor gives scum factions 1 extra number. theyre basically a flexible traitor here. ur fault but leaving u alive is terrible play.

and lol u can try to shade/discred me all u want but ur reads are not coming from a town mindset so no one is going to take u seriously

[Rebel Radio]

Im not quite caught up yet but a huge reason of my low post count is regularily 4 to 5 pages will appear in the couple hours between breaks on my phone. By the time i read them nore has appeared.

claim right now.

[Rebel Radio]

i will vote if u dont claim in your next post and korina will be happy to vote there.

i said i want more time but im making sure i go through with this threat. you are not going to be given time to craft a fakeclaim.

-koba

[Rebel Radio]

actually korina, if u want to help just vote hayker now and give me hammer over them

-koba

[Rebel Radio]

hayker E-2

[Rebel Radio]

My faction is town so have fun with that as you get voted out d2(or d1 if we can manage it)
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

VOTE: korina

tbh lets resolve this already i think its a more optimal vote so we reduce anti town players to 6 rather than miseliminating.

[Rebel Radio]

tbh lets resolve this already i think its a more optimal vote so we reduce anti town players to 6 rather than miseliminating.

zzz I already said I can take care of her like 3x now

stay focused

thanks but u already showed that you are not good at dealing with 3p
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

I want to eliminate non town, dont you samantha?
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

scum obviously want to keep a vivor around, its an extra vote that only cares about siding against whoever wants them dead. whats your motivation for keeping them alive?

-koba

[Rebel Radio]

we can elimiante the non town c laim and potentially get much better info during nightplay for d2 and see who resists this wagon and analyze the flip from there.

its a wonderful wonderful win win situation for town.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

who's on my scum team?

but wait! you said i was a SK, wouldn't that mean I'm solo korina?

slip of the tongue?
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

imma be real i think korina has a higher chance of flipping as a hostile 3rd.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

ok thats cool. you CAN control not claiming survivor on d1. policying 3rd party claims in multiball is the best thing to do.

did you not see how i treated pooky's cult claim?

i thought u were jester at first but now I see that you are probably just using this as a guise to do anything.

imma be real - i dont care about your win condition. I only care about my own, ergo town's.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

ok thats cool. if town wants to gamethrow by voting me, whos claiming town, over a player who has claimed notTown, I will take the exit out of the game bc that's just being bad at the game at that point.

like I said, survivors are just flexible traitors effectively when they claim like this. you're useless to town. you're not gonna help us and once 1 scum faction can have majority alongside you, you will turn on us right away, assuming your claim is legitimate.

and thats the best case scenario here for you. worse cases have you as a hostile 3rd.

-koba

[Rebel Radio]

samantha why are you playing anti town again? please do the right thing and get the 3rd party this time.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

masonries have only town in them.

survivors arent in masonries.

-koba

[Rebel Radio]

ok cool.

i still think u are the optimal elimination here.

if samantha is the one who rolled mason partner with korina and is town then we kinda fucked in that regard based on how she treated 3p last game. which i am upset to see she has refused to learn from
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

korina can u claim your exact role - the title of it.

quick please.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

cool.

if its not in the grand idea thread im eliminating u 100%.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

looks like u posted on that page... so you would be aware of that role and could use it as a fakeclaim.


dont buy it.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

i still think survivor should be eliminated if claimed lol
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

ur never gonna be helping town solve, ur gonna just be kept alive cuz like i said, survivors are just flexible traitors and suboptimal kills for scum factions. ur a detriment to town win con and have to go.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

this also helps us avoid miseliming or forcing a strong PR to claim - > win win.
probably can have hayker skip claiming here, just get korina and we can move onto d2 with 6 3rds left.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

dont care ur wincon is still anti town
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

ur never gonna be helping town solve

, ur gonna just be kept alive cuz like i said, survivors are just flexible traitors and suboptimal kills for scum factions. ur a detriment to town win con and have to go.
-koba

thanks for continuing to prove my point korina with your actions.

[Rebel Radio]

ur never gonna be helping town solve, ur gonna just be kept alive cuz like i said, survivors are just flexible traitors and suboptimal kills for scum factions. ur a detriment to town win con and have to go.
-koba

Not exactly true. I've seen survivors that have roles that help them town side.

they inherently do not care about winning with town. there are 7 guaranteed anti town roles in this setup. there is no guarantee that their role is even real here. we can safely remove them from the game and be in a decent spot
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

korina - you're calling me scum on the sole basis that I want you policy eliminated because I correctly stated your win con does not help town. That is proving my point that you are going to only play an agenda of siding with people who are looking away from you.
outside of that u are only trolling and not sorting anyone.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

ok cool we're at a point where an elimination might happen, why dont you share some of that with the class? what solving have you done so far?
which slots have you discussed thus far in the masonry?
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

yeah korina is scum who fakeclaimed vivor lmfao

-koba

[Rebel Radio]

ur never gonna be helping town solve, ur gonna just be kept alive cuz like i said, survivors are just flexible traitors and suboptimal kills for scum factions. ur a detriment to town win con and have to go.
-koba

Not exactly true. I've seen survivors that have roles that help them town side.

they inherently do not care about winning with town. there are 7 guaranteed anti town roles in this setup. there is no guarantee that their role is even real here. we can safely remove them from the game and be in a decent spot
-koba

But Korina is claiming Mason, what makes you think Korina is 3P? Did I miss something?

read my post again, but more carefully. they claimed survivor. they are continually claiming survivor. please keep up.

-koba

[Rebel Radio]

mason just means not mafia. you can have a masonry with werewolves. or pirates. or a serial killer.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

I AM POSTING THIS IN ALL CAPS, BOLD, ITALIZED, UNDERLINED, AND LARGE TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE READS THIS POST:

I AM A NEUTRAL SURVIVOR. MY EXACT ROLE IS TOAD (FROM MARIO). I HAVE A POST RESTRICTION WHERE I MUST POST IN ALL CAPS.
I AM ALSO IN A MASONRY WITH ANOTHER PLAYER, WHO I BELIEVE IS TOWN.

ANYONE SAYING WE SHOULD ELIM ME IS INHERENTLY SCUM IN MY EYES, AND SHOULD DIE.

why does wanting to eliminate a claim that is non town = scum?
if you wanna play the townside game you need to play by town rules. you cant just skate by. if you're gonna be useless we should be discarding you as a distraction.

-koba

[Rebel Radio]

guillotina can you stop dumbtelling thanks.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

ok cool we're at a point where an elimination might happen, why dont you share some of that with the class? what solving have you done so far?
which slots have you discussed thus far in the masonry?
-koba

OR, HOW ABOUT I DON'T BECAUSE YOU'VE GENUINELY PISSED ME OFF, AND I DON'T WANNA GET SITEBANNED? HOW DOES THAT SOUND?

ur AtE is scummy and suggests you are lying about the solving part
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

guillotina can you stop dumbtelling thanks.
-koba

Don't do that.

what? call you out for pretending to not know basic things about grand idea mafia when you yourself said you contributed to a thread for it? and managed to miss the multiple times we called korina a survivor/3p but managed to see they were a mason?
yeah i think ur dumbtelling and trying to fake it rn.

if not then sorry but yeah.

-koba

[Rebel Radio]

guillotina the power to end their fight rests in your beautiful hands

the power to end trusting 3p claims rests in your hands too.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

for anyone who is popping in with a bunch of new pages to read:

tl;dr korina survivor, i say we get survivor, korina mad that i am suggesting a fairly optimal play with a claim 3p. -> so yeah lets vote out the 3p claim.

i wanna see where yall stand on keeping survivors alive.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

korina has pretty confidently shown they are not interested in solving - so to ask them to townside is already a burned bridge in my eyes. they reactively just called me scum when i said to get them - > and refused to out any reads they claimed to have in their supposed masonry.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

oh you're unironically claiming cult leader?
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

hayker might be scum. might just be bad town.
ive seen them basically be 4th scum in a normal i specced with them in it.
it was a bit of a mess.
they were vig i think who managed to shoot town pr n1 instead of just holstering.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

guillotina can you stop dumbtelling thanks.
-koba

Don't do that.

what? call you out for pretending to not know basic things about grand idea mafia when you yourself said you contributed to a thread for it? and managed to miss the multiple times we called korina a survivor/3p but managed to see they were a mason?
yeah i think ur dumbtelling and trying to fake it rn.

if not then sorry but yeah.

-koba

That's right. I'm new here and painting me as dumbtelling is shady as hell.

you're not new to mafia. i don't know if you remember me but I know of you from mafiauniverse so I have a bit more expectations from you, plus the other stuff i mentioned where u caught the mason claim but not the vivor one.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

alright well 1 scum has claimed -> we can vote them now. korina is not town.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

I think Rebel is Korina's Mason


/s

how do you feel about eliminating a claimed survivor
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

i was drunk yesterday lol
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

survivor is just a spicy traitor who can scumside with any faction
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

BUUUUUT if they are scum, they are basically pretending to be in a mason with a scum partner? Or maybe there is no partner? I dunno, its a bit of a stretch.

survivor is still scum.

werewolf masonries can exist

pirate masonries can exist

etc etc.

-koba

[Rebel Radio]

THE PROBLEM WITH THAT GUILLO IS THAT I HAVE NO OBLIGATIONS TO HELP ANYONE. MY ENTIRE GOAL IS TO SURVIVE. IF I DIE, IT MATTERS TO LITERALLY NOBODY THAT I DID SO; THEREFORE, ME SOLVING IN THE THREAD IS POINTLESS.
I'M ONLY SOLVING IN THE MASON THREAD BECAUSE I FEEL AN OBLIGATION TO MAKE THE MASON ROLE ACTUALLY USEFUL.

im just so glad you are oh so eager to help me prove how useless you are to town here and why we should just dispose of ur slot so we dont have to worry about u jointing with scum in the future -koba

[Rebel Radio]

why would you want me to be eliminated here korina, if im a likely nightkill target based on what you think you would be nightkilled for?
im clearly actively solving and making reads.

-koba

[Rebel Radio]

THE PROBLEM WITH THAT GUILLO IS THAT I HAVE NO OBLIGATIONS TO HELP ANYONE. MY ENTIRE GOAL IS TO SURVIVE. IF I DIE, IT MATTERS TO LITERALLY NOBODY THAT I DID SO; THEREFORE, ME SOLVING IN THE THREAD IS POINTLESS.
I'M ONLY SOLVING IN THE MASON THREAD BECAUSE I FEEL AN OBLIGATION TO MAKE THE MASON ROLE ACTUALLY USEFUL.

Well that is the issue, we hold the majority! It is true you have to obligation to help us, but we can force you to or we eliminate you. Now I see radio's point.

Either you help us survive so we feel like helping you survive, or we eliminate you.

now this is a correct mindset to hold against a survivor everyone else follow this example, or follow mine of simply getting rid of the thread
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

threat*

[Rebel Radio]

im going to be taking a break from this game until more ppl come to contribute - i think ive done what i needed to do and gotten info out of a few slots i was not as confident on.

i highly suggest limming survivor here to reduce scum from 7 to 6
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

BUUUUUT if they are scum, they are basically pretending to be in a mason with a scum partner? Or maybe there is no partner? I dunno, its a bit of a stretch.

survivor is still scum.

werewolf masonries can exist

pirate masonries can exist

etc etc.

-koba

Yea I read them. But isnt the "target" of the masonry "town" still? Or is it just known that they are not a wolf or pirate? It kinda looked like the originator could also be a wolf/pirate, knowing the target is not a pirate/wolf?

its only known that they lack mafia. thats it.
thats the only definition.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

o7

Hayker you might want to consider revealing, when Korina wakes up you're dead

and tbh I think we are getting a lot of info if we flip you

Not as much info as you might think. I dont hav3 any privatw threads with anypne.

claim NOW.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

intent to vote to e-1. korina intends to hammer

-koba

[Rebel Radio]

if we eliminate town today, and 2-3 town die at night we can be put into a really shit situation. d1 absolutely DOES Matter. eliminating non town = a win for the gamestate, thats 1 less distracting voice
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

hayker if your next post is not a claim i will vote you.
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

you have 5 minutes max
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

VOTE: hayker

[Rebel Radio]

thanks
bye now

[Rebel Radio]

korina lets see it (:

[Rebel Radio]

all i care is that they claimed not town lmfao
-koba

[Rebel Radio]

thats 2/7 scum accounted for.

pool of 5 scum left, 3 mafia likely and another 2 either solo or?

[Rebel Radio]

Im unsyre how much im allowd fto say about my pm. It lusted serial killer as a possible alignment as well. Well have fun not advancing town win con guys. I did lie about my alignmebt but wow you guys are execution heavy. I am not affiliated with any groups

survivors are not town sided
-koba