DEFCON Mafia 5.0: GAME OVER - NEW AMERICA FORMED

[innocentvillager]

i haven't read but im american i think that's town ya?

[innocentvillager]

prolly won't be reading up to this point sorry

gonna read the rules and lmk what to look out for

[innocentvillager]

i tried to read the rules and just got a headache

ill get to this tmr

[innocentvillager]

ill ask scum PT to catch me up i guess

pedit: hi ur new avi is scarier

[innocentvillager]

i really am American tho ! promise

pedit: nope i am not scum

[innocentvillager]

no idea wtf robert is doing. could be either alignment honestly. if he's scum he's acting alone most likely or with very hesitant support from teammates

[innocentvillager]

i don't think robert enjoys playing scum, iirc

[innocentvillager]

l m ao why did i replace in i have no idea what's oging on

[innocentvillager]

are there PRs in this game? or do all ppl of the same alignment get the sam e role PM

yeah i know i probably can get the answer to this by reading but... im illiterate and tired sigh

[innocentvillager]

robert would you ever do what you're doing rn as scum?

[innocentvillager]

worldstar worldstar

[innocentvillager]

But the dolphin is scum LLD.
I even said I'd eat Titus's hat if I was wrong.
That's a big hat.
I would die if I ate it.

I'm following in your 1v1 fite me foot steps.
Game plz recognize game.
JUST ONCE I WANT TO BE THE HERO.

ok bell is town probably

[innocentvillager]

LLD towny probs

[innocentvillager]

Someone asked me for a Nexus case.

Show me Nexus hunting scum. I'll wait.

It's not the most rock solid case but it's good enough for now.

Titus this could apply to like half the fucking game at this point

not me

[innocentvillager]

not me

I would say you as a yes. You have only voiced popular or obvious opinions so far.
What stage are you even up to?

im jesting bro

[innocentvillager]

(^the grammatical "they" version of bro)

[innocentvillager]

okay i kind of understand what's going on i think

to be clear pooky was killed by terrorist and not russians because russians can't kiill until night 2? am i understanding correctly

[innocentvillager]

would someone do me a favor and summarize what we know about the game so far

ive iso'd cakez and read the rules so i know what's going on there somewhat

but like public claims, etc., why scum!mastina got wagoned so quickly, etc.

just a brief summary would be appreciated, thanks

[innocentvillager]

and also because she thought she was scum, but that was secondary

lol

okay thanks guys!

probably won't read D2 in its entirety but will try to at least skim through it

[innocentvillager]

Deas and samantha i assume the TRs on me are because of Mognet? nothing I have done is AI yet right?

[innocentvillager]

Vaxkiller- I don't believe vaxkiller asking for robert's role was performative, there's also something else I noticed but I forget what it was lol, I'd have to reread

Bell- a beautiful pure soul

gorilla- I am not familiar with gorilla but his posts all have a town mindset, also I'm unironically trusting that prophetic build the zoo email I got

Robert- M Hunter offered role info for no reason that exposed himself to criticism/possible death, playing unlike himself as mafia from what I can tell

Koto- I don't believe mafia ydrasse would replace out over that, unless there was spillover into mafia chat and they are teammates

T3- was not on board with the planned bus to an awkward degree

innocentvillager- outside of hyperparanoid good cop theory, they've taken a lot of risk to be mafia (even with that theory), also I have another not-so-paranoid but still paranoid theory that they are going against as well

this readslist feels pretty pure and unperformative, i think i like it too (even without knowing any context)

i don't have a good sense of samantha scumrange tho

[innocentvillager]

is mena signing his posts? from ctrl+f on "-M" it looks like Menalque has posted 10 times

[innocentvillager]

i wonder if scum are still paranoid of posting in their PT due to the chance that the Terrorist picked Eavesdropper

how funny would it be if they did and basically figured out the scumteam because the scumteam never thought Terrorist would pick eavesdropper

[innocentvillager]

vfp is not a slot i would be sad to see flipped

[innocentvillager]

Eh, okay. Didn't read VFP and I'm fine voting there.

VOTE: VFP

[innocentvillager]

Bell idg where the confidence comes from and I'm still stuck on VFP. I took another look and I really.. don't think the slot is aligned with mastina.

- his call-out of cephrir for being scum if mastina is town felt uninformed of mastina's alignment
- I think he believes his marry read

meh, maybe mildly town!indicative but feel like even i can fake posts like that (im not very good at scum, for those of u who don't know me)

imo posts like "if this flips X (knowing they'll flip Y), I believe this is true because A B C" are also decent content to put out as scum bc you carry no responsibility for the read since after the flip your analysis is meaningless, and ive definitely done it as scum

what about the marry read felt like town and not scum just like faking a push on town?

[innocentvillager]

ftr idg where bell confidence comes from either but i doubt this is something scum!bell is capable of, tbh

i also trust that if this town!bell, VFP is +rand scum and besides not reading his boring flat iso that's good enough for me

[innocentvillager]

cephrir and titus im not crazy right Bell feels way different this game than TM LN ya?

that one he was like, kinda townish sometiumes but really struggling to obvtown him, here he feels actually present, isn't just shooting down our read confidence, making actual pushes, being snippy at people calling him scum, etc.

[innocentvillager]

I don’t think there’s anyone here that actually thinks VFP is town over a bunch of other players, so I think there is a really good chance of this flipping scum.

hm it seems like joqiza and titus at least are pretty against this elimination?

even if they weren't, i don't think no one thinking VFP is town here is scum!indicative especially when they are easily picking up votes

idk ur other reason seems fine but this one feels forced and that's not necessarily scum!inidcative for u im just saying i don't necessarily agree with this reason

[innocentvillager]

Ya Titus I think we are on the same page about the “hive mind” making it slightly more likely VFP is town (with only that information) unless I’m misunderstanding

joqiza that is interesting and could be true. It’s a little too specific of a narrative for me to put all my eggs in tho, but I’ll keep this in mind

like it feels like there couldve been other ways that this gamestate developed besides the one u are positing. But I wasn’t around for D1 so idk maybe ur just right

[innocentvillager]

we still have 10 whole days still and joq wanted to start another wagon on church so presumably vax followed

what’s pinging you about that

[innocentvillager]

hm it seems like joqiza and titus at least are pretty against this elimination?

even if they weren't, i don't think no one thinking VFP is town here is scum!indicative especially when they are easily picking up votes

idk ur other reason seems fine but this one feels forced and that's not necessarily scum!inidcative for u im just saying i don't necessarily agree with this reason

I do disagree with this. While I could be wrong, I strongly feel VFP is town. The fact they are getting votes indicates a hive mind.

Second, if VFP were scum, I'd expect Nexus or Robert to go through unless all three were scum.

I actually want to distance myself from this particular line of logic tho, I don't really agree with this as a reason to TR VFP.

meh fine, I can see arguments for or against. I agree it’s probably too early to say much about VFP’s ability to get votes as town!indicative for him

[innocentvillager]

at this point the resistance argument doesn't even apply anyway because at this point i think it's clear that there's real resistance from multiple players to VFP wagon so there's not much more point talking about it atp imo

[innocentvillager]

assuming bell is town why do you trust his read that much? i kind of trust it but it's definitely not to the degree you do

pedit: oh is that why, just because he's never done it before so there's probably a good reason?

[innocentvillager]

maybe snoopy is some sekrit dolphin whisperer

[innocentvillager]

huehue

[innocentvillager]

mastina was scum and i feel like she would've spammed PT with her spec analysis on what to draft so im very confused about that

[innocentvillager]

VFP historically claims scum in twilight so i think the more likely scenario is that he's being completely candid in his posting. i think it also kind of spewed church as town

[innocentvillager]

*they

[innocentvillager]

what are you waiting for then seth

[innocentvillager]

inability to put your money where ur mouth is = scum.

[innocentvillager]

i almost want to nuke marry for posting that nightmare-inducing piglet image

do it you won't

[innocentvillager]

I actually think his hesitiancy toward Nexus is potentially indicative of him distancing himself from a miselimination on town. I would not be in favor of a shot on Nexus at the present moment.

this is not a bad take

[innocentvillager]

VFP strikes me as the cliche sort of player who'd vote a townie but FOS a buddy in his reads to distance. I think the indicators are pointing toward scum in T3/Dragons/Deathnote/Koto, and dragons strikes me as town otherwise so I'd bet on a scum in the other 3 (that this aligns with my POE is a nice coincidence).

i don't mind this either

T3/DeathNote/Koto

do you think 2+ of these are ever scum? seems ambitious to me from scum, given that VFP and Nexus were 5 votes apiece at the time (assumign nexus town)

i think the most likely scenario is that exactly 1 of these of is scum

[innocentvillager]

i think VFP was genuinely offended by Church calling him an idiot

it doesn't strike me as theatre

[innocentvillager]

question, was VFP likely going to get wagoned based off of D1 play and N1 flip? or was it mostly just due to Bell begging about it D2?

basically i want to know at what people mafia started seriously planning around VFP's possible death

[innocentvillager]

gorilla have you meta'd like everyone in this game or something?

[innocentvillager]

You know you can just look at the mod ISO for votecounts, right?

i looked at those, it doesn't really answer my question, it just tells me that they were *a wagon*

meh. i was mainly just curious because i want to know if the marry push at start of D2 is likely to be a distancing move for their eventual flip, if they were likely to go down i feel like that's more evidence for it being manufactured distancing. im not sure exactly where i was going with this thought, idk something something newby scum tend to be more predictable in their positioning around their partners. idk t's probably not that important

[innocentvillager]

cephrir is probably town

[innocentvillager]

anyone who fears town!skitter would kill et al

my understanding is that includes many people

[innocentvillager]

ty appreciate it gorilla

pedit: would also be interested in the spicy "SK is a veteran" take

[innocentvillager]

oh yeah why is Bell still alive wtf

[innocentvillager]

I don't think the terrorist killed pooky for being annoying, they killed him because he's a formidable presence (which would be obvious to anyone who's played with him). People tend to be more likely to NK those they have some familiarity with.

But that's just a guess! I could be totally wrong.

pooky was killed N1 in a game i modded because he was hardtunneling on a scum and had another in his small PoE. idk what he did this game but as long as his reads weren't terrible EOD1 and there wasn't an obvious kill target that's probably good enough for a NK

[innocentvillager]

is there any ordering within those 2 tiers sir

[innocentvillager]

we can cover you by posting so much that no one will want to catch up and by the time they do boom goodbye

[innocentvillager]

i can do 500 posts/hr wbu guys

[innocentvillager]

I don't think the terrorist killed pooky for being annoying, they killed him because he's a formidable presence (which would be obvious to anyone who's played with him). People tend to be more likely to NK those they have some familiarity with.

But that's just a guess! I could be totally wrong.

pooky was killed N1 in a game i modded because he was hardtunneling on a scum and had another in his small PoE. idk what he did this game but as long as his reads weren't terrible EOD1 and there wasn't an obvious kill target that's probably good enough for a NK

1. Pooky gave almost no reads other than Et Al as town as mastina scum
2. The N1 NK is from the serial killer, not the Russians. They wouldn't have any idea how good his reads were even if he actually had posted some.


It is extraordinarily tedious to be reciting basic thread history and have you contravening everything I say without having actually looked at any of it.

im not disagreeing with what you're saying at all! im agreeing that pooky is good historically im just adding on my own anecdotal insight.

i understand 2. i think we both mean "reads good" in the sense of where terrorist supposedly was in his pool

1 is helpful to know tho thank you

[innocentvillager]

ive heard if you roll a die a bunch of times it'll probably hit 6 a few times in a row at some point

[innocentvillager]

um

what

[innocentvillager]

are you scumclaiming sir?

[innocentvillager]

who wanted this to happen exactly?

[innocentvillager]

wasn't mognet supposedly obvtown or something?

lmao

did not imagine i was gonna be the first one to get nuked -_-

[innocentvillager]

i think a lot of people thought my slot was town

[innocentvillager]

guess so

[innocentvillager]

is that why youre nuking me?

[innocentvillager]

i think mognet was town for how buckwild they acted

i mean that's generally a towntell lol

[innocentvillager]

LLD is 0/2 for scumreading my slot :/

lmao this time doesn't really count tho since it wasn't ME

[innocentvillager]

i guess a couple people that hate my slot is +getting nuked equity than a bunch of people who are meh on my slot

oops, should've thought about htat and tried to obvtown more

[innocentvillager]

there's nothing i can do in 24 hours that will spew me as town

it takes a while

i will just accept my death or maybe others can try to persuade u if they feel strongly about me. town is on the way to winning anyway

[innocentvillager]

ive made some effort this game

im covert ops btw

n1 church
n2 toogeloo

[innocentvillager]

holding me to the same standard as a nonreplacee in terms of total effort expended probably isn't the fairest metric either :/

[innocentvillager]

Mognets are Moogles thank you very much.

Btw prism submitted a list and got ninth priority and put silos last.

So there are actually very few nukes in the game.

Since I will be afk most of the weekend and likely will get exploded by angry Kupos wanted that out there.

this was a thing Mognet posted that was true

i can repost the list if that matters idk.

[innocentvillager]

Why toogeloo? they've done shit all most of the game.

i don't really consider "doing shit" in a vacuum a towntell..

n1 no idea, also cakez said it didn't matter?
n2 togeloo was like a very whatever slot to me i didn't put a ton of thought into it. i submitted it like a few hours before deadline

[innocentvillager]

the iso was like pretty flat and meh to me, positioning on vfp "felt" like a bus idk what else tbh

like my power isn't exactly like super useful anyway so i didn't spend a ton of time choosing my night target carefully either

[innocentvillager]

nexus fwiw i thought u were townie idr why tbh

[innocentvillager]

guess no one cares that im dying :/ oh well

was fun while it lasted i guess

[innocentvillager]

If you can convince me to call off the nuke, I will, but atm no-one seems that arsed.

sadly you are right :/

[innocentvillager]

i only have 24 hours before it's locked in tho

lol wdym a baby. ive come to accept my fate

[innocentvillager]

im not sure

im kind of complacent with the gamestate tbh with 2 mafia being dead already

if our backs were closer to the wall id probably feel more urgency to try to avoid my lim

ive literally given plenty of thoughts throughout my iso and you can talk to me about them if you want

[innocentvillager]

lol u nuked me without even skimming my iso? and just assumed i did nothing game-related all game that makes me sad

[innocentvillager]

i haven't read but im american i think that's town ya?

Hey this feels fake af

i wouldn't read into that

[innocentvillager]

if you abort a launch do you lose your nuke for the day?

nothing in the rules suggests that you lose ur nuke but u could ask Cakez for more clarification if you desire

[innocentvillager]

vfp was such a boring iso to skim

i like voting for boring isos i thin kmore people should do it

[innocentvillager]

if you abort a launch do you lose your nuke for the day?

@SirCakez

[innocentvillager]

i literally can't help myself from bussing ive done it like almost every game as scum

i will admit the vfp vote is not a point in my favor

[innocentvillager]

why is it fake and not real to you tho?

[innocentvillager]

does scum even want covert ops over silo? i guess like if your buddy is a silo you can covert ops the intended target to make sure it goes through? idk, seems like id rather just take the silo

maybe mech people can figure out if this is a point in my favor or not

pedit: rip thanks cakez

[innocentvillager]

okay terrorist aside i think im at

Very unlikely scum

Bell

Probs town

gorilla
Church
joqiza

Townie

Ceph
gorilla
Vax
Robert
Nexus
sam

Who?

Equinox
Koto
DeathNote
T3
DeasVail

Conflicted

marry
SVD

No idea

Titus
Toogeloo

[innocentvillager]

why is it fake and not real to you tho?

Your whole emphasis has been on woe is me and survivalism rather than scumhunting. What you are doing right now would be disappointing if you are town.

I understand being slated for death is demotivating but if you're town why not make the most of your remaining time?

im kind of a slow burn

it takes me some time to get into the game and interact with 18+ people

ive thrown out some people i think are town in the meantime but it's a process

this is just kind of how i play

im not expectin to get townread for it or anything

[innocentvillager]

Why are you conflicted on marry?

tbh marry seems fun but scum can be fun too

tbh, i get kinda skeptical out when people act overly nice sometimes i get scared im getting pocketed somehow idk

[innocentvillager]

BUT YOU USED YOUR ABILITY AGAINST TOOGELOO

? whats ur point

[innocentvillager]

oh i don't actually scumread anyone lol. i called toogeloo's iso boring but im not like confident enough to call that slot straight up scum. im more of a poe player i like to think im better at identifying town first

[innocentvillager]

Why are you conflicted on marry?

tbh marry seems fun but scum can be fun too

tbh, i get kinda skeptical out when people act overly nice sometimes i get scared im getting pocketed somehow idk

What do you think about VFP's d2 posting towards Marry and Marry's posting towards VFP?

i didn't really that much of it if im being totally honest

i get that VFP came out the gate swinging at Marry but that alone doesn't do that much for me, i would totally try and distance as scum esp if we're going down

yeah sorry i don't have much mroe than that. if u think they had really strong antiassociatives with each other then i trust you

[innocentvillager]

toogeloo's ISO can be boring as town

that's why he's not a scumread for me

[innocentvillager]

meh maybe i shouldn't replace into long games in the future. i feel like people are just getting mad at me for giving thoughts and not going back and reading the game. i mean i totally get why that's happening

whatever, im probably out for this game and lived up to the amount of usefulness i can offer at this point, looks like town is on a good track. still had fun trying a crazy setup i don't normally play theme games

[innocentvillager]

Why would you use covert ops on a non-
scumread?

i think ive explained this somewhere but

i don't really have scumreads, as you can see from my list

he's in the kind of bottom of my pool

[innocentvillager]

and since covert ops is a meh role i didn't feel like it would be that useful to carefully pick a target

[innocentvillager]

maybe ill add that me feeling like i wasn't getting nuked anytime soon and my pred was pretty town (i guess, was an erroneous assessment lmao) made me a bit lazier

[innocentvillager]

aw thanks gaiz

assuming im town or scum are there particular pools of people who scum equity goes up/down a lot?

[innocentvillager]

assuming my pred was a very divisive and intense slot lol

pedit: lol rip. okay there is no point in efforting i guess.

[innocentvillager]

meh, if that was the case i kind of wish you told me you were going to nuke me before u did it

but it's fine, none of us established really that was the "nuke etiquette" lol

[innocentvillager]

ill promise to effort more and actually at least read the beginning of d2->where I replaced in if u recall it (thnk u if you do nexus) or if somehow I survive

but otherwise it really doesn’t feel worth it for me at this point

I gave where I stand on ppl, I don’t feel super strongly about any of it because I don’t feel like I really have a footing in this game yet. I know that’s all excuses and scum can say that too so it’s all good.

[innocentvillager]

if there is a specific thing that doesn’t take really long to do (like read 20+ pages) that anyone wants my opinion on let me kno tho I can maybe give it a shot

[innocentvillager]

i've largely accepted that there are going to be a lot of daykills today and i can't control them all, plus et al's argument seems sound to me; i would only argue for a recall if the target was a strong townread

agree with this

[innocentvillager]

actually nexus feels kind of obvtown for not even iso’ing me before nuking? Even when I flip green i don’t think going after nexus is correct

[innocentvillager]

like what scum in their right mind goes “oh okay I’ll iso you a bit now” after nuking

you’d probably at least want to get a sense of who you’re actually nuking

this feels more like town that was just trigger happy

[innocentvillager]

Town: STD

okay this one I’m curious about

[innocentvillager]

there’s no way scum goes for the first nuke right

no way

hahahah

[innocentvillager]

fucking scum nexus has balls of titanium here

[innocentvillager]

ok I agree kinda he can go in the “townie” pile

I considered oping him actually but too hello was more boring

I did have that thought too, u made me remember lol.

[innocentvillager]

gdi why am I still posting

[innocentvillager]

ugh Alisae is partly inspiring me to try and stay alive a g a i n s t a l l o d d s noooo

[innocentvillager]

ISO some people? The game is fairly polarized in terms of postcount, people on the lower end of the scale shouldn't be too hard to read.


Seeing some suspicion of Nexus, but I really do think the way VFP spoke about him is classic scum defending a wagon on town to make them look bad. He had no problem bussing mastina and I don't see why he sees Nexus as a priority to save instead. I'm not hardclearing Nexus but wouldn't place him at the bottom of a POE

that seems like a good idea. ill take a look if i have time

and i agree on Nexus town here. i don't want that slot gone

[innocentvillager]

i also have a bad wifomic tendency to TL people who actively scumread and push me but i really think in this case the way nexus has played it is not something scum would do

[innocentvillager]

if i was theoretically given a lot more time there is almost no way in hell I will eat a miselimination titus

like it just would not have happened in TM LN for instance, once I get efforting I am obvtown

[innocentvillager]

i apologize retroactively for any of the assholery of my predecessor

and to my predecessors for turning this slot into a misnuke -_-

[innocentvillager]

Vax is this aggro as town

is he like this as scum ever?

[innocentvillager]

meh merlot was kind of townie? eh

[innocentvillager]

T3 is probably town

[innocentvillager]

No idea about death note Jesus what is that abomination of an iso

[innocentvillager]

i think there’s a legitimate chance we just nuked 4 townies lmao

[innocentvillager]

with the response to The Entity making very much sense to me as town who really wanted to get into this and had the wind blown out of their sails or whatever the term is supposed to be.

I kind of agree

But why can’t she be scum getting the wind blown out of her sails

[innocentvillager]

are there specific scumteam configurations with which she could plausibly be with? she’s never aligned with entity right?

[innocentvillager]

I'm town.

If I was scum I would be trying.

lol i kind of buy this tbh

[innocentvillager]

Do not recall IV. I dont care if he is town, do not recall, im too worried about that slot.

the fuck? why?

yeah lol it’s not like scum!innocentvillager is some super sick deepwolf that will solo to endgame

[innocentvillager]

hmm i have too many town

it’s probably not exactly Titus/toogeloo/Equinox/STD

[innocentvillager]

actually I remember town!vax engaging with me more and hounding me for stuff I guess he can go to my PoE

maybe he’s just trying to power this through

[innocentvillager]

i think the point is I’m polarizing so there’s a lot of objection but also a few semi strong supporters

[innocentvillager]

I do think T3 looks pretty likely town at this point as well though.

why?

[innocentvillager]

I'm sort of racking my brain for reads right now and struggling to come up with suspects.

I was toying with the possibility of DV-scum but it doesn't feel right after his posts tonight.

I am in a similar state

DV was kind of backgroundy but he’s like that a lot (when he’s not carrying the town) but I vibed a lot with this posting just now. Oh no maybe I’m getting pocketed lol. But wait I’m getting nuked sooo

[innocentvillager]

I think ur sleeping on Vaxkiller I'm not happy with his IV read it feels like he stopped trying to read the slot a long time ago

vax please respond

I’m actually kind of curious on this

[innocentvillager]

i completely forgot why I thought cephrir was town

[innocentvillager]

oh something something meta from two iterations of TM LN

butttttttt we have some repeat players here too ig? meh. Sorting ceph is going to be a long grind I’m sure, not something I can decide overnight

[innocentvillager]

with the response to The Entity making very much sense to me as town who really wanted to get into this and had the wind blown out of their sails or whatever the term is supposed to be.

I kind of agree

But why can’t she be scum getting the wind blown out of her sails

I did consider that, but particularly if entity is town, it’s like, why do you care about town complaining about you being anti-town when you’re actually scum? I don’t get it.

I think we should talk more about this point and consider recalling Koto

[innocentvillager]

The game seems pretty split on whether or not I should recall it.

the way you frame it here makes it seem like 50/50 when it's really not

the only one who really wants me nuked is Vax

a decent chunk of people have me townish but are wary of the the whole recalling nukes thing in general

another decent chunk of people actively want it recalled on me

if you are going to keep the nuke going you should take responsibility for that is your conscious decision and i don't want you to write it off as "oh people were split"

[innocentvillager]

like if that's the case people are going to be "split" on almost everything lmao

[innocentvillager]

I think ur sleeping on Vaxkiller I'm not happy with his IV read it feels like he stopped trying to read the slot a long time ago

If you scum read 2 people in that slot how would you feel? Yea I have stopped reading that slot, it's done too much wrong, and I want it sorted out.

this is the response i thought town!Vax was going to give

ehh sure he's townish enough i guess

[innocentvillager]

Equinox 3127 readlist lowkey kinda spicey. almost seems not caught up which could be town!indicative? like the bell not as near locktown thing whattttt

[innocentvillager]

meh i still don't know why people TR toogeloo (somthing about tooting his own horn for being the 6th vote on VFP? meh, idk, seems very self aware of that fact and it feels like Nexus was gonna go through anyway... maybe)

he also has terrorist equity maybe but let's not go there ig

[innocentvillager]

*VFP was gonna go through (not Nexus)

[innocentvillager]

why nuke titus?

i can't sort her this game at all is she actively scummy?

[innocentvillager]

Woah holy shit okay that was unexpected

Thank you nexus!! Why did you do that?

I will go back and read D2 through replace in for sure now

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I don’t hate a Titus nuke ig

titus is pretty hard to read in general

Like occasionally she will solve the game and obvtown but a lot of time her posting just feels nai

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I don’t have a strong opinion on robert’s alignment anymore lmao

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VOTE: Robert this is actually kind of an obvious vote now that I think about it

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Robert is definitely counterintelligence ftr if there is no cc, prism’s list had it above covert ops

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scum Robert is well versed in the minimalist AtE

the cephrir scum take is absurdly confident for how underdeveloped it is

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You got us. We're both scum. Lim iv first and prove it.

fuck

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spicey take Terrorist probably plays town of salem. they're using the public leak as their like death note thing or whatever.

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terrorist leaked pooky, as a meme probably to start off (or they planned to tell town who they targeted every single time)

for whatever reason decided it would be helpful for town to know scum killed Et Al

i don't know how much incentive there is for terrorist to wifom this when scum know who terrorist killed already? and terrorist should somewhat be townsiding at first in terms of scumhunting? idk

seems more likely that they are genuinely marking their kills

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Nexus and IV shit was scum theater

I said it.

so you're reading my posts now

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haha nice wifom terrorist we all know it looks better if you are the first to bring it up !!

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im like 90% joking

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LOL ok

Koto - As much as I hate to bring outside influences into this, I strongly doubt Merlot would have replaced out in the circumstance that she did if she were scum. The frustration with my slot would not have been the same.

i will admit to being partially swayed by this reasoning from DeasVail and Equinox

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VFP strikes me as the cliche sort of player who'd vote a townie but FOS a buddy in his reads to distance. I think the indicators are pointing toward scum in T3/Dragons/Deathnote/Koto, and dragons strikes me as town otherwise so I'd bet on a scum in the other 3 (that this aligns with my POE is a nice coincidence).

i don't mind this either

T3/DeathNote/Koto

do you think 2+ of these are ever scum? seems ambitious to me from scum, given that VFP and Nexus were 5 votes apiece at the time (assumign nexus town)

i think the most likely scenario is that exactly 1 of these of is scum

high fiving gorilla here i guess

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I think we should wait for the RMH flip tbh

i want to see the Robert flip too

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i would want to recall a nexus nuke as ive previously discussed

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fuck

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meh, im still not totally convinced STD is locktown ehre

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koto was probably getting nuked anyway at some point and it looks better if you do it as scum especially if you make a big show out of it lol

also no retaliation missile, the afk being faked could be kinda sus for STD

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im not saying i think STD is scum at all just throwing it out there because it's my nature to be paranoid of everything

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(ignore terrorist)

town:
Bell
Church
joqiza
gorilla

probtown:
Ceph
STD
Toogeloo (? mech right?)
Nexus
marry? maybe? sheeping others here

PoE ish: DeasVail, samantha, Titus, Equinox, Vaxkiller ? hmmm idk

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i promise the D2 catch up is coming, im busier than normal this week but it's on my to do list

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probably not but it’s too late :/

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ah crap do i have to expedite my catchup again

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vax is very likely flipping town here? this totally seems liek the reaction i would expect from him and doesn't seem like scum!AtE as much necessarily, don't think he tries this hard to fake it, feels like real frustration

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has joquiza nuked anyone? I think Id like them to.

this aged well

it's gonna age even better if it turns out joqiza actually nuked me

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IC = IV = innocent child

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VOTE: innocent villager

why ? i am conisdering omgusing u... hehe

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IV, for what it's worth, I light town read you, but I can't forgive you for the sins of your forbearer's

i understand <3

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hi i am again busier than usual but this game also popped off

I will get tot his

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ugh god damn this was a bad time to get busy it's been a while since ive been the LHF as town

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Bell is pretty town by meta

not positive about terrorist/not-terrorist if that's what you're asking

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I don't think he goes to try to plead with people to help him bus. He's just not that kind of player. If he was scum with VFP that event probably doesn't happen at all.

this

in general: my exp with Bell is 3 town games and 1 scum game

Bell in general is kind of an obvtown player, mostly due to his weaker scumrange like me

i think it's not natural for him to fake content as scum and can't emulate his townplay that. i don't think he's the type to go for a wild gambit like this for no reason?

a lot of his scum!posting in LN was kind of backgroundy, without much conviction, posturing, trying to come up with "things to say". i will admit i had a weak townlean on him for a while that game

here including the VFP pleading felt more natural, he has conviction in what he's saying but he's not over-theatricizing anything which is what i might expected from an awkward first time yolo bus

im not completely sure but compared to my other reads it's definitely one of the stronger ones atm. ill admit that usually by this point im more sure on Bell but he's been busy IRL

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meh i don't really feel like this is the same thing. here he was like fake-softing a cop check on VFP or something. that game they were both in the PoE and Bell was the first to vote Luca D2 when it wasn't clear he was going down, in the effort to distance a bit. they were ultimately trying to just distancing without killing him but town ended up flashing luca. he postured fake reasons for the Luca vote as an attempt to come up with more content and look town. even at the time, i didn't really give Bell much cred for voting Luca, because it definitely felt like it could've been a bus

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why did he bus VFP in the way he did this game then?

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he's busy this game

by meta, im scum because my scum games are lackluster af. when i have time as town i am simply obvtown and unelimable. im not scum this game.

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whatever, i really don't know why im defending him so aggressively, your paranoia on him might be good for the gamestate anyway

maybe part of my ego feels insulted at the idea that my bell read might be wrong

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I won't deny I bus a lot, but a PR positive result sort of bus is not my style at all.

yeah i am a compulsive busser too as scum so i know that this "bus" on VFP here feels wayyy different than something id do as scum

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and the main reason i am a compuslive busser is because it is so easy for me to see how scummy my partner are because i know they are actually scum and i massively struggle for real looking content as scum

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i agree with what bell is saying if it wasn't clear

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When it comes to IV, it relies on me having been very wrong on Mognet but I still get dodge vibes from IV's posting at the time when there were nukes on him/koto/T3/DN going. Felt like he was trying to look town and hoping to have the nuke recalled rather than actually saying that himself.

I’m not sure what you mean by dodge vibes

But yes I was trying to look town. It’s something you do when you are about to get nuked and you have 24 hours to plead innocent

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Can someone do me a favor and quote the most updated list of claims thanks

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ya i agree with joq on johnny probably town

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std is probably scum with how small the poe is now

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what happened to the nuke targeting vaxkiller? i don't see it in cakez iso

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VOTE: save the dragons yeah i totally believe you think im scum here dood

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im being lazy but on my skim i don't see anything in that iso that's townie other than the nuke

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something about mognet and prism both defending mastina and you don't thinmk scum busses mastina D1 or somethign?

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i don't remember interacting with you a single time and here you are goading me like you know im scum

bro like where does this confidence come from

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johnny iso is ~fine whatever probleantown

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my russian poe kinda looks like

{Titus, DeasVail}
{marry}
{STD}

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meh if both scum aren't here then someones playing very well

which is weird because doesn't feel like the scumteam is that great in general, idk why the PoE is so small

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deasvail is probably american actually he anti-russian slipped at some point and doubt it was fake (the Koto replaceing Merlot thing)

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His suggestion of a recall on koto coupled with his posts after koto's flip where he tries to deflect responsibility to others doesn't sit right with me. It's like he didn't want to take responsibility for his own misread. In general has been stuck in catchup mode.

with the response to The Entity making very much sense to me as town who really wanted to get into this and had the wind blown out of their sails or whatever the term is supposed to be.

I kind of agree

But why can’t she be scum getting the wind blown out of her sails

I did consider that, but particularly if entity is town, it’s like, why do you care about town complaining about you being anti-town when you’re actually scum? I don’t get it.

I think we should talk more about this point and consider recalling Koto

LOL ok

Koto - As much as I hate to bring outside influences into this, I strongly doubt Merlot would have replaced out in the circumstance that she did if she were scum. The frustration with my slot would not have been the same.

i will admit to being partially swayed by this reasoning from DeasVail and Equinox

The thing about that second post is, no one had really brought it up after the flip. It feels like trying to pre-empt blame as a result of a guilty conscience.

do scum actually do this? like in theory like that seems like an ~okay~ meh reason but i don't think scum actually do this

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imo the guilty conscience thing doesn't make sens

if i were scum and my buddy koto had one defender and they were going down i wouldn't just post a one liner that might save them, leave, then go "oh LOL i was kinda swayed by this reason"

it's just not really a scum thing to do

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i believe it's a bear

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just tell me what to do/holster and I’ll do it

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That's how scum want to approach multiball and I think the same logic applies here.
Scum don't want to get shot by scum and need to kill scum first.

I shouldn't be hunting but STD isn't group scum. TBH I actually hope I'm wrong about him but it seems very stereotypically likely.

Now that I think about it tho, I actually think I'm wrong. I'm not actually sure he kills Pooky or LLD.

Maybe he kills Et all but I'm not sure

uh i have church as town but this almost seemed like tmi that LLD was the terrorist kill, then backtracking after they realized they slipped

can you clarify what you were thinking here?

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i took a reskim of the game from d2 btw and im up to that page tat's why im quoting this (yes i actually finally skimmed d2!)

also sorry for not obvtowning enough that y'all had to waste a check on me :/ not proud of that but oh well