DEFCON Mafia 5.0: GAME OVER - NEW AMERICA FORMED

[Cephrir]

I don't think he should be copped, but is he one of your top town reads? Because that's really all I care about right now.

i dont even know anymore

[The Church of Skitter]

If Terrorist dies I want STD in my final 5 as well

[JohnnyFarrar]

Final five IMO just from what I've seen since I've joined is Gorilla Bell STD Vax Ceph. If scum is one of those then gg

[innocentvillager]

ugh god damn this was a bad time to get busy it's been a while since ive been the LHF as town

[gorilla]

for me, Vax, Ceph, marry are basically non-negotiable, add whoever vax checks tonight. Church is up there as well.

[gorilla]

Can the people with meta familiarity with Bell give me a double check on him? I don't want to lazily rest on people's first impressions for a game critical decision.

[innocentvillager]

Bell is pretty town by meta

not positive about terrorist/not-terrorist if that's what you're asking

[Titus]

ugh god damn this was a bad time to get busy it's been a while since ive been the LHF as town

Same

[gorilla]

Bell is pretty town by meta

not positive about terrorist/not-terrorist if that's what you're asking

Can you elaborate on this? I hate vagueness.

[The Church of Skitter]

IV do you actually know Bell's meta enough to make that call?
I've played with mostly scum!Bell and not enough town!Bell and I think he decently fooled me in Among Us Mafia but I don't remember.
I don't think he's scum.
I don't think he goes to try to plead with people to help him bus. He's just not that kind of player. If he was scum with VFP that event probably doesn't happen at all.

[innocentvillager]

I don't think he goes to try to plead with people to help him bus. He's just not that kind of player. If he was scum with VFP that event probably doesn't happen at all.

this

in general: my exp with Bell is 3 town games and 1 scum game

Bell in general is kind of an obvtown player, mostly due to his weaker scumrange like me

i think it's not natural for him to fake content as scum and can't emulate his townplay that. i don't think he's the type to go for a wild gambit like this for no reason?

a lot of his scum!posting in LN was kind of backgroundy, without much conviction, posturing, trying to come up with "things to say". i will admit i had a weak townlean on him for a while that game

here including the VFP pleading felt more natural, he has conviction in what he's saying but he's not over-theatricizing anything which is what i might expected from an awkward first time yolo bus

im not completely sure but compared to my other reads it's definitely one of the stronger ones atm. ill admit that usually by this point im more sure on Bell but he's been busy IRL

[gorilla]

here including the VFP pleading felt more natural, he has conviction in what he's saying but he's not over-theatricizing anything which is what i might expected from an awkward first time yolo bus

Didn't he hardbus his partner in that large normal game?

[The Church of Skitter]

here including the VFP pleading felt more natural, he has conviction in what he's saying but he's not over-theatricizing anything which is what i might expected from an awkward first time yolo bus

Didn't he hardbus his partner in that large normal game?

link?

[gorilla]

here including the VFP pleading felt more natural, he has conviction in what he's saying but he's not over-theatricizing anything which is what i might expected from an awkward first time yolo bus

Didn't he hardbus his partner in that large normal game?

link?

viewtopic.php?t=85745&f=160&st=0&sk=t&s ... er_sort=Go

CTRL+F for "luca"

Looking at it in context, it looks like it was a (very unnecessary) cross-bus

[gorilla]

From my survey of Bell's meta he's actually something of a compulsive busser as scum. It's one of his only tricks. I'm concerned by the lack of solving. This honestly feels closer to his scum meta than his town meta. His main scumnread for this phase has been that DV is "polite scum" and he could barely string a sentence together to explain it when I asked him. In his towngames I felt like there was a lot more depth of analysis, more thoughts flowing into the thread, more evaluation. I was on him early because his posts used a lot of words to make hedges but then people got up in arms saying he was obv town so I laid off. But I feel concern there and don't want people just townlocking him off "meta" because that feels game-losing.

[innocentvillager]

meh i don't really feel like this is the same thing. here he was like fake-softing a cop check on VFP or something. that game they were both in the PoE and Bell was the first to vote Luca D2 when it wasn't clear he was going down, in the effort to distance a bit. they were ultimately trying to just distancing without killing him but town ended up flashing luca. he postured fake reasons for the Luca vote as an attempt to come up with more content and look town. even at the time, i didn't really give Bell much cred for voting Luca, because it definitely felt like it could've been a bus

[innocentvillager]

why did he bus VFP in the way he did this game then?

[gorilla]

I know I was tinfoiling joqiza the other day but I actually think his response to being accused looks pretty good. To some extent even if his reads haven't been clearing he DOES feel very solvey. I think I'd be okay with him in a final group.

The reason I'm going through all this crazy tinfoil is because I have the sense I could die before endgame and I don't want people to necessarily be locked into static reads with no chance for re-evaluation. I want to consider the reasons for everybody right now.

[innocentvillager]

he's busy this game

by meta, im scum because my scum games are lackluster af. when i have time as town i am simply obvtown and unelimable. im not scum this game.

[innocentvillager]

whatever, i really don't know why im defending him so aggressively, your paranoia on him might be good for the gamestate anyway

maybe part of my ego feels insulted at the idea that my bell read might be wrong

[Bell]

Nah, pretty much everybody correctly called me town. They're right and reopening it won't really change that. I can't spam because real life.
I won't deny I bus a lot, but a PR positive result sort of bus is not my style at all.

Actually, my main scum read of this day is the guy I'm voting RN.

[innocentvillager]

I won't deny I bus a lot, but a PR positive result sort of bus is not my style at all.

yeah i am a compulsive busser too as scum so i know that this "bus" on VFP here feels wayyy different than something id do as scum

[Bell]

I know I was tinfoiling joqiza the other day but I actually think his response to being accused looks pretty good. To some extent even if his reads haven't been clearing he DOES feel very solvey. I think I'd be okay with him in a final group.

The reason I'm going through all this crazy tinfoil is because I have the sense I could die before endgame and I don't want people to necessarily be locked into static reads with no chance for re-evaluation. I want to consider the reasons for everybody right now.

You could die before end game you say? Are you sure?

[gorilla]

why did he bus VFP in the way he did this game then?

There's an argument that in this setup you want enough towncred to make it to the final group, and if you're someone who can't fake reads well as scum, bussing is the easy way to produce some kind of content because you can give an accurate scumread. It's possible that the aggressive confidence was never meant to get him killed either. Plus VFP speaks to him all of once.

I dunno, I'm not saying to kill him right away but I don't feel comfortable townlocking him.

[innocentvillager]

and the main reason i am a compuslive busser is because it is so easy for me to see how scummy my partner are because i know they are actually scum and i massively struggle for real looking content as scum