DEFCON Mafia 5.0: GAME OVER - NEW AMERICA FORMED

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VOTE: Sam

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I don't think so?

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Toog I have a silo

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The sub is joq right?
I feel angry because I listened to their marry read but it seems like they just don’t care about my Titus read

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The sub is joq right?
I feel angry because I listened to their marry read but it seems like they just don’t care about my Titus read

Equiniox

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So I have been playing quiet...er because I got espionage. I happened to be the toilet when I saw the PM asking for troops. I did not want to rock the boat and draw to much attention and end up like Pooky/LadyLabdaDelta

You pushed mognet pretty loudly and were pretty aggressive w/ it.

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I'll look over church's defense but honestly I really don't like meta reads based off pure blind faith, if there's something tangibly different in their play between alignments it should be able to be explained.

She sheeps LLD like that if she's not groupscum
the intent behind her questioning is to try to make people talk about their scumreads. I saw this when they asked Nexus to talk about The Entity. On the surface this seems like something that is extremely basic and can be faked, but I saw the intent behind it and I want to townread that intent.
Town!Titus goes for vote data a lot and she seems really natural when she's doing it.

Over all I think she reads extremely natural to me and is very likely town

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3430 is convincing enough for me to locktown marry and joq for a pretty long while

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Cephrir are you still thinking of nuking Sam?
I have no reason to leave this player alive tbh, too many townreads

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I've actually liked you, generally speaking, Sam. But the Air Base pick and your less aggressive approach don't match up. At this point, it's just eliminating the question marks.

If joq doesn't recall his nuke, he needs to be nuked. Keep that in mind, Ali.

I think Et All targetted me so it's likely I don't get to nuke anything anyways

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Okay Joq if you're calling my strong tr on titus tmi I'm calling your strong townread on marry tmi

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Idunno I just feel offended

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I don't understand why I am being put in the PoE

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do i care?
no not rly ig
scum are probably desperate and are just looking for guys to put in the PoE which makes sense.

Ya I'm happy with Sam dying today

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Man I'm actually really triggered that my titus read is being called TMI when I've had years of experience with her, I understand her villager game, and historically speaking I've been pretty accurate when it comes to reading her.
That triggers me so fucking much you don't even understnad

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I want Cephrir to use his nuke

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I have one

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I wouldn't need to lie about it if I didn't

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Why the fuck do I have to throw one out before Cephrir

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How can you actually reach a conclusion that I'm lying about not having a silo just because I'm not firing mine?
Like how the fuck do you actually reach that conclusion off of 1 day phase because you kind of need multiple day phases to pass where I haven't used a silo to reach that conclusion

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and what fucking good does that even do be.
If I was actually scum and I had a fighter I wouldn't be pretending to have a silo. Like it's fine for me to just claim it instead of going about it this way lol

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if I'm a terrorist I probably wouldn't call STD a terrorist. It likely just wouldn't happen and I would probably just be trying to scumhunt

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i'm just being cowardly and indecisive

Fire your warhead dude

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how exactly did i end up in your russian POE anyway Toogeloo

Nuking Koto doesn't really buy that many town points, sadly. I remember disliking some of your earlier posts from DC5-3, but can't really be bothered to go find them right now.

i don't think std nukes his buddy out of nowhere with no trajectory on the slot. that just doesn't make sense to me

maybe std does it if things are going seriously wrong in scum chat but otherwise yes very likely std not russian

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Okay I am going to wait for this flip before I do anything else.

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Content-wise, I'm not even sure where to start? In general, though, there isn't actually much analysis, there's just a lot of words. This also might just be a playstyle thing but the sentence construction also comes off as wolfy to me.

This is just how I play. When I do these I just post what my current thought process is at the time. That's it.

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You're right I wasn't really paying attention to the game when I wrote 2533. My activity and attention that I give the game grows the longer the game gets and the more information there is available to me at my fingertips. I generally thrive at the late game. Late game is easily when I'm at my most strongest.

I haven't read any of Reck's posting around that time.

I can explain the Sam + Mognet thing. A lot of it was based on LLD's flip.

Sam at start of D2 hardpushed LLD and said "LLD reads like she was bussing mastina"
I think
if Sam is town, this is a very likely thought process.
if Sam is scum, this is their attempt to remove LLD from the game.

I think this action is more likely to come from scum because if Sam is town and I was in their position, I would not push this right away, I would attempt to gather more evidence for my case by watching LLD's actions and observing them. I think scum are more likely to come out and push this right away.
Mognet resonated with my thought process but Mognet read like he was attacking sam in a way that made me feel very uncomfortable and it made me feel like at the time, if Mognet is scum, its probably with LLD.

Also your comment on the titus read is something that's normal for me which triggers me because I can't dispute it.

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Or maybe I did read Reck's posting and I forgot I don't know I don't care I don't remember all I know is just how much I hate tonereads.

What I hate about tonereads is not only are they 70% of the time they're fucking wrong because they're based on how a sentence "feels like it reads" but they're also almost always impossible to dispute. Like okay? You said that my sentence construction is wolfy? Great lol. Very cool. Oh what's this, I flipped town? Wow nice fucking toneread buddy. How do I know you're not just full of shit again?

idunno, I hate it and I probably just don't get it tbh.

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I still feel obligated to address your concerns the best I can

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have your reads changed since your last list that had like all of the depth'n'stuff

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Wait what's the mech behind Cephrir villager?
I forgot

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@JohnnyFarrar

- You're kinda in the poe atm so you'll have to work to get out of there and that might be hard considering your actions might not mean much if anything at all at this point in the game tbh since we have a lot of townreads and like not many scumreads. I can send you a nuke and if it's something you can't be bothered to care about you can suicide?

pedit: Ok Vax thanks

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BTW It's not a guarantee that my nuke will actually go off? It'll probably fail tbh due to who I think Et All targeted which is me.

pedit: Did IV fall off in activity?

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I had gathered that I was on the chopping block, just trying to figure out where to send this nuke. I figure if the poe is me and a couple others then my nuke is, like, crazy likely to hit

honestly
even I don't have an answer for you

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So my thought is marry. Yes?

No she's spewed not Russian

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3430 is really good and I agree with it.
Ontop of that, their interactions with VFP make them strongly not Russian.
Do not nuke marry

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Disappointed that didn't get questions, but I'm serious: What actual good reasons are there to clear joqiza? I don't think the mastina thing is convincing in and of itself.

A lot of things Joqiza said have been really smart. I really liked it when he rallied people up to pressure nexus about their IV nuke and pressure him to retract it.

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Do you have something compelling against joqiza?

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Disappointed that didn't get questions, but I'm serious: What actual good reasons are there to clear joqiza? I don't think the mastina thing is convincing in and of itself.

the main thing is claiming submarine I guess instead of keeping it a secret

he was off mastina entirely and only joined vfp late

though being off mastina can be +town depending how you look at it, and being on vfp is better than being off entirely

if ur scum and you have the submarine how do you keep the submarine a secret?

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no one picked Radar?

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BUT JOQIZA, ACCORDING TO MOGNET YOU WERE HEDGING WAY TOO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!

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haha

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{Titus, Bell, Toogeloo, Joqiza, IV, marry, Vaxkiller}
{Cephrir, Gorilla}
{DeasVail}
{Equinox, STD}

Wow Johnny's best nuke is STD if we're going by my reads is this how desperate we are what the fuck

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DeasVail completely just shoots down the missle no?

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okay, he opened the game with mechanical spec of trying to exploit the draft. But is that impossible to fake? no, and even if we could have coordinated ending defcon 5 it's not like scum can't just plan in the PT to be around then. I also get the feeling he might just be ore comfortable talking about mechanical things?

and sure, he outed that he was the sub, but that's an inevitability anyway due to the way defcon goes and not claiming it would be seen as a scumclaim really.

But when I look at that votecount I quoted earlier, I noticed he was on the wrong side of the VFP/Nexus wagons when they were relatively equal in strength.

Votecount 2.4

VFP (5) - Bell, gorilla, The Entity, Nexus, samantha97
Nexus (5) - Titus, joqiza, T3, DeasVail, Cephrir
Mognet (3) - Save The Dragons, The Church of Skitter, Vaxkiller
marry (2) - VFP, Robert M Hunter
Robert M Hunter (2) - Lady Lambdadelta, marry
Titus (1) - Mognet

Not Voting [4] - Koto, DeathNote, Et Al, Toogeloo

(expired on 2021-05-22 17:52:00) remain until day end

With 22 players alive, it takes 12 to reach a majority.

While I think VCA is generally a fallacy, I feel like there probably was scum tryin to take advantage of the Nexus CW, as at that point in time there was not a particularly strong argument being made against VFP. And T3 and Cephrir are confirmed non-russian.

And so I looked back at his ISO, and in general, I felt like the signal to noise ratio was fairly low. This is a generalized thing but I feel like he wasn't pushing much in the way of scumreads. Yes, he had that big wallpost, but I feel like scum are more likely to contribute in that sort of big pre-constructed block form where they can get everything organized and not do it as frequeently, it's harder to imitate the town solving process of sporadic bursts. And in general the scumreads he has had have been not good. I don't like how he pushed nexus, in hindsight I don't like his church read as I think it may hav been trying to take advantage of my suspicion there, I don't like him trying to chip away at townreads on save the dragons for nuking koto.

and I looked back on his ISO, and here's what he had to say about flipped scum:

also not to deflate the very spicy mastina wagon, but i'm pretty sure we don't lim anyone in defcon 4

so @mastina to be clear the unnerving thing about your read was the fact that you said you townread me AND marry. She really has not been present enough to have much of an idea abt her alignment besides rand. it's not that I'm saying you're WRONG it's that I feel like as the resident marrytologist I haven't even given my professional opinion yet... it's all a bit premature.

Maybe I'm being unfair tho and what you're saying is that you're putting us both town cuz if one of us is scum at some point in the future you'll know about it cuz one of us will snipe the other... and that's true... probably.

Worth noting that marry is kinda busy rn I think so may not be the uh final occupant of her slot

im a bit distracted atm so wanted to review the game on my own time / at my own pace, but i don't think mastina is a terrible lim here. the way she townlocked us was a bit weird marry

okay well if i do end up voting mastina i want it known that i have no ill will against her! actually i loved a lot of your posts @mastina, your one about me and marry bouncing sound waves off each other was super cute and made me smile. i didn't get the sense you're a bad player or anything either, actually i vibed with a lot of your reads and content but my concern is actually that you know too much. some of the conclusions feel reached before i can understand how the underlying evidence led you there

i think i'm willing to hammer mastina, but i want to give her a chance to speak first

He passively accepts the mastina wagon, but is sort of awkwardly hesitant to vote for her and tries to stall the hammer. That was the post that started off the whole mognet debacle, but in hindsight, it feels like he mght have been reluctantly holding off on a bus?


Meanwhile, on day 2, he tries to clear VFP off mastina interactions. Being wrong isn't a crime but I really didn't like the way he talked about it on a look back. He asserts the defense confidently at first but gets quieter as the wagon grows (until church implies VFP's been guiltied and he votes there), it's not a full-blown defense like Titus.

FWIW i didn't get the sense that the dcl/VFP slot was aligned with mastina I just think he's off base here

VOTE: Nexus

I don't really have a big lead here but I want to see what shakes out. nexus has seemed like he's been hunting more for 3P today, and his vote yesterday seems compatible with a bus to me.

not 100% sure what the VC is but for transparency i'd consider switching to t3 too.

i don't read vfp as aligned with mastina rn. she seemed interested in possibly limming his slot and he was also striking a course both yesterday and today that's very visible and gains him no favor if he's scum. i feel like his pushes/shades are just gonna end with him getting nuked

prismognet, bell, entity, marry, cephrir, lld, gorilla, and robert m are in my town* bin

* town here being simply not russian. i've no idea how to look for terrorist tbh. in terms of info and alignment they just seem like spicy town rn.

deathnote, deasvail, vfp, toog, titus, sam, and vax i also kinda think are town but im not as confident as the aforementioned

i want to clarify this because this thing often happens in games where i end up defending my townleans more than my actual townreads. it's just a function of consensus and who ends up pressured.

Bell fwiw I acknowledge 2187 and I do think vfp's 2060 was a bad post. i'll noodle on it. the underlying activity read doesn't speak much to me.

Bell idg where the confidence comes from and I'm still stuck on VFP. I took another look and I really.. don't think the slot is aligned with mastina.

- his call-out of cephrir for being scum if mastina is town felt uninformed of mastina's alignment
- I think he believes his marry read

If he flips scum I think he flips terrorist. Which would be hype but that feels like a lottery ticket read to me. This is the kind of situation where I'd usually offer a quid pro quo to resolve the deadlock, i.e. you lead my vote today, if it flips town I lead yours tomorrow, but I don't think that'll work in this setup cuz tomorrow is gonna be about the nuking.

That said on rr I also felt like this was a better representation of where my head's at rn:

VOTE: Church of Skitter

There's a lot of people suspicious of this slot but no one's quite taken the step to vote them, so let me be the first.

If the dueling wagons remain between Nexus/VFP my vote is still spiritually on Nexus ig but tbh after the rr I don't care for either. Nexus is sort of like +scum above rand versus Church which is an actual scumread. I don't TR T3 either. I think my stance on Robert is clear.

I don't think anything VFP did is unfakeable either. He is a townlean, not a townread. Idm if the wagon goes through I just don't care to be on it.

And then he basically just says...nothing about merlot/koto at all before that slot is killed? Like not an attempt to read it, not a suggestion of its alignment, nothing. He doesn't even mention koto's name before he's dead.

And then there's stuff like this, the way VFP spoke to him:

EM was nuked we cant share the game but i in fact do love to bus partners the second its viable for me, ill just confirm it. use it if u want

well i've seen her play mafia before and she knows how to bus. actually she's hardbussed several times before and she rarely defends her partners as directly as she did w/ mastina against LLD. i think her frustration with LLD was genuine too altho the frustration is less AI.

also like i said earlier i really doubt the mastina wagon was some big shock to scum. there was a fair amount of pressure on her the day before. also LLD wasn't even the first vote on the mastina wagon. she was the one that actually effected the lim but i believe she was the third or fourth vote. so the wheels were already starting to spin at that point.

Care to share the game?

LMFAO i can't literally my whole site (EpicMafia) got nuked and i have no records

on god though it happened i'll cite the games from memory:
- marry bussing Luciokek in Werewolves vs. Mafia 1.5
- marry hardbussing dia d1 of some game nbt hosted
- marry hardbussing Flygon slot d1 of the game I hosted before SPF subbed in for Flygon

prolly others that i can't remember. i actually can't prove it but i think you'll believe me, it would be absurd for me to be lying about this i think

That's fair enough. I'm not going to argue true or not, but I'm also not going to change my read as different situations matter.
I'll consider it though.

look i'm gonna be honest

i feel uncomfortable knighting for marry so hard and i think if she's town she will be able to demonstrate she's town on her own

i think she's just town who thought the mastina wagon was weird, tried to engage, engaged with LLD, realized what LLD was saying, then went "welp" and realized she was boutta look scummy af if mastina did end up being mafia

it's just my 2c

I would believe this more if Marry still didn't believe their town read.
Realising what LLD is saying would be a response of "Yeah mastina has a good chance as scum". Not "what i've said about mastina's reads list stands" just before voting there.

I get it probably just looks like a small petty reason, but it was a small reason that made me happy with mastina scum as well.
It's plausible I'm wrong, something just doesn't add with the responses.
Either Marry did cave in and just go along with LLD or Marry didn't change their read and went along with LLD.
I feel the vote would have more confidence if the second one. Even more so how Marry is being described.

hmm

maybe it will help if i kinda share my perspective

i basically don't know any of you other than marry, i don't play here very much. actually i've been doing this thing where i play on different sites w/ different communities because i've been trying to better figure out tells that transcend personal meta

when playing in different communities for the first time i've noticed there's sort of a "web" of meta that already exists among people who know each other

when a bunch of people on d1 start SR'ing another person for meta reasons, it's often a decent climate for a scum flip

even if i can't see too well myself, i can sort of read the gamestate in this fashion

i believe marry's attitude may have come from a similar place here. personally i wasn't 100% sure on mastina, but i did think the atmosphere was conducive for her to flip scum because of the people who knew her SRing her. i think marry had similar comments and i think this could explain her position on mastina's wagon while independently TRing her.

does that make any sense @VFP?

Okay, maybe I find this harder to understand as nothing was meta for me yesterday.
But I think I get what you are trying to say? Meta normally suggests alignment in situations like that to players that know them, so you know it's probably a good lead, but don't see the scum side yourself?

My opinion doesn't change even with this information though.

For my money, it looks like scum talking to scum. There's no tension here, the tone is diplomatic, VFP never tries to read joqiza.

There's also the bit of merlot. Look at how merlot describes her townread on marry:

okay so on a skim of marry: +town because i think that she is more likely to be this comfortable as town rather than scum and would more likely be unwilling to be so buddy buddy especially knowing joqiza is in the game, he was like the only one here who knew her meta before i joined and he’s well aware she is a very charismatic/social player so doing something like she is in the absence of friends is more beneficial to her then in this game where i feel she’s just vibing

Fairly detailed, I feel like this is a "genuine" read with real reasoning. Her read on joqiza?

also i think joqiza is +town for his reps of marry obvi

Much shorter.



Like in general I'm just thinking...this guy has absolutely no russkie scalps, why should I be considering him as an american?

I'll make sure this post gets to the next page.


I'll read it now

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I am going to reserve judgment on this. I want to see how joqiza responds and what becomes of this

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my first impressions are it makes sense and I'm a sucker for cases.
What do you think about his marry read?

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I also actually want marry to check back in and read this since marry is the only player at the table who played with them

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does guy if scum nuke scum and then do nothing as scum

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omg that sounds really funny to me if I say it out loud

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me personally I think not but I am just more likely to want to townread how someone like STD is currently playing.

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So completely blind on save the dragons, deasvail and bell. My predecessor said something about targeting toog?

hi

so far i'm 1 for 1 in terms of nuking scum.

don't nuke me and i'll make it 2 for 2.

/me pokes you with a stick
do something

ur posting lately has been too much "Don't die" I hate it and I have reasons for everyone else being town do something

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do something i'm giving up on you

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Anywhere, I would have followed you

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you're the one that I loved
I don't wanna say goodbye

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So people I am not to shoot:

Save the dragons(shot scum),
toog(doc),
marry(town bloc),
cephrir (cleared by vax),
gorilla(town bloc),
sam(redundant),
myself,
deasvail(because it won't work?),
vax(does clearing)

My poe:
IV
Joq
Not Skitter
Titus
Bell

I think I'm getting somewhere

I, for one, am happy that DeasVail can still intercept missiles

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Ya they can stop any

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I want to see what DeasVail suggests as a nuke

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Ya Bell singlehandedly caused the VFP elim I picked up on that and helped him push it through

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Had I not helped him push it through, I don't think it would have gotten as much traction as it did because Bell would still be trying his hardest to kill VFP but I doubt people would listen had I not done what Gorilla stated

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ya know
titus has a point
aren't the people who are saying that marry is town are me and joqiza right?
We're in his poe

thats weird

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marry is likely town based on associations.
actually if we speedrun into night and they're a terrorist, there's a chance they just
forget that the website existed?
They've done it before it wouldn't be impossible

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marry is likely town based on associations.

I don't know if this is enough

It's not just VFP.
To me it's
- mastina saying joqiza and marry have a hectic-ydrasse like dynamic. That I feel like is the true when it comes from mastina's mouth and I think that that fits how they play scum. I don't think marry is aligned.
- VFP interactions.
- Joqiza. Regardless of Joqiza's read on marry, I think the read is genuine and I think its worth trusting. Joqiza apparently reads marry extremely well and has experience with them so I think their read on her is trustworthy.

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I mean I think they're spewed town by all the scum that flipped.

It's not just mastina and VFP, it's also Koto

Spoiler: quotes

eavesdropper here guys. mafia said they like big butts? not really sure what to make of this, would really appreciate some help. more at 11.

This is the first reference to Marry pretending to be eavesdropper.

This is during the time Mastina was picking up votes based on the VC.
What is the scum purpose of this?
I agree just because they claimed they aren’t town. They’re town because of Mastina’s flip and no scum benefit

eavesdropper here guys. mafia said they like big butts? not really sure what to make of this, would really appreciate some help. more at 11.

eavesdropper here guys. mafia said they like big butts? not really sure what to make of this, would really appreciate some help. more at 11.

okay since you claimed, i am now going to be forcing you to post

publicly

everything you receive

so any message you receive, I want to be able to see it here. No mod communication signs just. rewrite it word for word

i hate to tell you this so early into our new friendship but it was a joke and i will claim when it is time to... this goes without saying but dont interact with my post seriously i dont wanna fish i just was breaking tension

Marry was joking about being Eavesdropper. NAI. Can be town doing it, thinking it's funny, can be scum doing it, thinking it's funny.

if she flips scum i commit seppuku

Why again is marry town?

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Like idunno man the signs just point to the slot being a villager all flipped scum have said something to me that suggest she's a villager
2262 probably doesn't happen if marry is aligned with koto. I don't think it happens I don't think it has any reason to happen.

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I strongly read Titus as town and I trust my read a lot, please don't nuke there either.

IV I just think his claim was likely to be townie

[The Church of Skitter]

you look happy in ur pfp

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Ya DeasVail I see no reason not to just
intercept anything
he nukes?

[The Church of Skitter]

Well I hope my nuke actually works

NUKE: JohnnyFarfar

[The Church of Skitter]

I also do regret wanting nexus to recall the IV nuke, and everything regarding nexus really

WHERE DID IV GO

[The Church of Skitter]

Should I nuke first or nah?

My nuke might not even work you can just throw yours out there ig

[The Church of Skitter]

joqiza I'll miss playing with you you were fun to play w/

[The Church of Skitter]

Ya I want this joqiza nuke to get intercepted but I don't think its going to happen

[The Church of Skitter]

what happens when a dud nuke gets launched does the mod just not announce it or does it just not blow up

It will fail
I have no idea what failing entails

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JohnnyFarrar (2) - DeasVail, samantha97

Hi Sam
how are you
how does it feel to be nuked

[The Church of Skitter]

Fine don't ask me how I feel being nuked

hey at least you don't have to care about this headache of a game

[The Church of Skitter]

nukes are fun dude!

[The Church of Skitter]

i don't see why we would want to not nuke a Fighter claim, it doesn't do anything

What alignment writes this

[The Church of Skitter]

i don't see why we would want to not nuke a Fighter claim, it doesn't do anything

What alignment writes this

Anyone wanna take a guess.
Bell? Anyone?

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I mean
a terrorist would want to kill the Fighter. It's what threatens their existence the most.

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I mean
a terrorist would want to kill the Fighter. It's what threatens their existence the most.

Mod already confirmed only their draft gets Fightered, not their free choice.

oh ok

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nvm then

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the joqiza nuke got stopped lets gooooooooo

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VOTE: JohnnyFarrar

[The Church of Skitter]

[MCMAW SYSTEM] Attention Taskforce members, this is Command.

Soldier marry has not responded to inquiries. We will draft a new cadet to serve in their position.

Carry on soldiers.

this sucks I enjoyed marry's posting

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The only silo I'm hitting today is JohnnyFarrar and I think I am always voting them and I think they're a better vote than quite literally anyone else

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I have no idea whats going on in 4059 and quite frankly I'm not sure if I'm supposed to know.

[The Church of Skitter]

aren't there still nukes in the air?

only 1 of the nukes in the air kill and that is on sam

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I am anxiously waiting for Sam's flip right now

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I lost a game because I incorrectly townread scum!Pooky and defended him and saved him. Multiple times. And even gave him an elim that ended up only being good for scum.

[The Church of Skitter]

and then when I thought he was scum
he put out a story
and I bought it

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I don't think marry is scum and it seems not likely she is a ruskie when 3 mafia members spewed her town, but if she was, that's mafia for ya

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Church how certain are you that Titus is town? And are you sure that they're town or just not group scum?

They're definitely not group scum. If they're a terrorist, I imagine I could get fooled by them pretty easily actually and they wouldn't even have to try. They would just do the normal things that town!Titus normally does.

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Like the terrorist is still in the uninformed minority. They just on a solo mission to win the game. It's pretty easy to just appear town as a terrorist you're still scumhunting it would probably be really easy.

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I do not think pointing fingers at gorilla is the best idea right now.

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esp w/ johnnyfarrar and sam unflipped.
honestly it might not even be worth the trouble.

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I am out of options

[The Church of Skitter]

I thought you were a warthog and toogeloo was a panda

[The Church of Skitter]

you are actually trolling how does that look like a deer

[The Church of Skitter]

ur trolling

[The Church of Skitter]

its too fat to be a deer

[The Church of Skitter]

aren't deers supposed to be like
skinny
and nimble

[The Church of Skitter]

EVEN BABIES AREN'T THAT FAT

[The Church of Skitter]

THIS
is a baby deer

[The Church of Skitter]

Sam I am is dead I am

[The Church of Skitter]

What was with that weird launch on Church of Skitter?

Huh
You mean the thing where I attempted to nuke Johnny but it failed because skitter targetted me and made my nuke fail?
Ya I’m running out of options and everyone to me seems more townie than Johnny/equinox so...

[The Church of Skitter]

Yes, I was targetted by an aircraft carrier
Et all had the aircraft carrier

[The Church of Skitter]

Ya it’s pretty unlucky for me cuz it makes me look bad but I’m not scum so it shouldn’t be a problem.

[The Church of Skitter]

gg I was mafia

Let’s goooooooo

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Probs shouldn’t be claiming maf if ur about to die

Pedit: oh ok

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I mean this hasn't changed much for me

{Titus, Bell, Toogeloo, Joqiza, marry, Vaxkiller}
{Cephrir, Gorilla, IV}
{DeasVail}
{JohnnyFarrar, STD}

I'll move IV down a tier down sure but I don't see why I would ever touch IV over Johnny.
With IV it's like
- guy claims something that feels townie
- guy crumbs he was targetting me n1 and does in fact target me n1
- guy makes actions that don't seem like scum ones.

idunno am I just giving the guy too much credit?
I really don't think so and I don't see why I should be voting him over Johnny.

[The Church of Skitter]

I mean there's a terrorist

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at this current moment there are 2 ruskies and 1 terrorist that can still post

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church i agree w/ you about IV but vax has a huge boner for the slot and will just waste a cop check on him anyway if we leave him alive. also his role is functionally useless and i'm pretty sure it's optimal to leave more dayvigs alive all else equal.

I'm not sure I like this reasoning. Why would it be a "wasted" cop check if it'll help vax and friends solve.

I also don't get why its more optimal to leave more dayvigs alive when literally any nuke that johnny throws out seems awful for the village? Like that feels weird to me considering literally any nuke he threw out this phase gets intercepted by DeasVail which is exactly what happened

[The Church of Skitter]

I'd like to imagine that I feel pretty good about my TRs

[The Church of Skitter]

let's nuke IV instead great idea cephy

[The Church of Skitter]

{Titus, Bell, Toogeloo, Joqiza, marry, Vaxkiller}
{Cephrir, Gorilla, IV}
{DeasVail}
{STD}
{JohnnyFarrar}

[The Church of Skitter]

is that better

[The Church of Skitter]

{Titus, Bell, Toogeloo, Joqiza, marry, Vaxkiller}
{Cephrir, Gorilla, IV}
{DeasVail}
{STD}
{JohnnyFarrar}

cephrir and vaxkiller are linked alignment-wise

also std directly killing 33% of his team should put him higher than that

heck they should be in their own tier above all the other peons

I wouldn't say there's a link per say but they are in fact related yes.

I have a really hard time putting STD above DeasVail. I think DeasVail is objectively townier than STD. Maybe you can justify putting them on the same level but I have a hard time doing so.

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More on D4 once we have kills to actually work with.

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you sound like you don't hate communism

[The Church of Skitter]

honestly that sounds extremely unamerican but if you're not sure I can ask some of my american friends if that sounds unamerican or not

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it is weird he said "the" terrorist instead of "a" terrorist

what's the difference?

[The Church of Skitter]

Is that how that works?

[The Church of Skitter]

I'm starting to follow it.
I make those kind of subtle mistakes all of the time as scum too so I mean
it's not impossible ig

[The Church of Skitter]

If Terrorist dies I want STD in my final 5 as well

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IV do you actually know Bell's meta enough to make that call?
I've played with mostly scum!Bell and not enough town!Bell and I think he decently fooled me in Among Us Mafia but I don't remember.
I don't think he's scum.
I don't think he goes to try to plead with people to help him bus. He's just not that kind of player. If he was scum with VFP that event probably doesn't happen at all.

[The Church of Skitter]

here including the VFP pleading felt more natural, he has conviction in what he's saying but he's not over-theatricizing anything which is what i might expected from an awkward first time yolo bus

Didn't he hardbus his partner in that large normal game?

link?

[The Church of Skitter]

Has anyone actually put out an argument for why DeasVail is scum exactly?
Aside from
yaknow
running out of options?

[The Church of Skitter]

because DeasVail seems townie to me
ig I'm a hypocrite tho because my sam and equniox/johnny reads are basically "I have townreads on everyone else and I like those townreads a lot and feel like these players are more townie than these"

but I feel like I want to point out that if DeasVail is a scumread for people, I feel like its a scumread that doesn't really have a lack of explanation to it. That or I just haven't seen one.

[The Church of Skitter]

Titus what reads do you have atm

[The Church of Skitter]

because DeasVail seems townie to me
ig I'm a hypocrite tho because my sam and equniox/johnny reads are basically "I have townreads on everyone else and I like those townreads a lot and feel like these players are more townie than these"

but I feel like I want to point out that if DeasVail is a scumread for people, I feel like its a scumread that doesn't really have a lack of explanation to it. That or I just haven't seen one.

you forgot about Samantha's case of me being the third person to vote against total war

I didn't forget
I just never read it

[The Church of Skitter]

The more I think on it, the more I think that my STD read is as strong as my DeasVail read. His play seems better now that I think about it.

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4320 villager posting KEKW

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that was funny

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tbh i thought deasvail's pic was a dog from a Disney movie.
forget which one.

[The Church of Skitter]

omg

[The Church of Skitter]

how could this happen to me

[The Church of Skitter]

SIR YES SIR

[The Church of Skitter]

Hey Bingle! We've been waiting for your slot to claim and you should probably claim and try to read up soon.

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Sam it's your final few minutes

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I also don't buy titus' empty-handed vca that excused a nuke on nexus

...

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I feel like an idiot that's about to fret over my titus read because ngl, I am starting to get a little disturbed that Titus' contributions have been basically nothing.

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WHERE DID HE GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[The Church of Skitter]

VOTE: Sam

[The Church of Skitter]

LLD night 1, Bell Night 2.

was not toogeloo

[The Church of Skitter]

Sam who claimed Air Base lived a nuke that they shouldn't have lived

[The Church of Skitter]

Didn't VFP flip the only role that can survive day nukes.
If it wasn't intercepted and hey weren't sabotaged, I'm not clear on how they lived?

Sam is probably not town!

[The Church of Skitter]

Well only one way to find out

[The Church of Skitter]

Why did marry target me?

My best guess is that you're a player in this game and thus a valid target. If I'm wrong, please let me know ASAP.

Sam who claimed Air Base lived a nuke that they shouldn't have lived

Okay, and that makes them scummy because? Also what's an Air Base?

Air Base makes them immune to non-nuclear actions.
But they lived a nuclear action and the fallout shelter is down and the battleship was on Bell.

[The Church of Skitter]

But don't not towns also have to be one of the roles available?

Like my immediate thought was, Sam was a terrorist.
And on reading it sounds like maybe hey jus had a silo set to defense.

Either way
it needs to gooooooooooooo

[The Church of Skitter]

I'm not actually a player in this game. I'm a mass hallucination. Look at my avatar. Think about it.

KEKW

[The Church of Skitter]

Bye sam

[The Church of Skitter]

was nice knowin ya

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the fact you have the ability to leak a message is really strong and I am surprise you didn't use it for much of anything tbh

[The Church of Skitter]

Air Base makes them immune to non-nuclear actions.
But they lived a nuclear action and the fallout shelter is down and the battleship was on Bell.

I recognize that these are all words in the English language.

So... Ascetic claim lived through a kill attempt and all of the known protectives were elsewhere when it happened, post massclaim. Is that the gist of it?

Yes

[The Church of Skitter]

We have two russians to go yeah?

Yes

[The Church of Skitter]

Bell Sam unironically believes that Cephrir is not a Ruskie when Vax cleared him of being a Ruskie

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IV is a good cop check

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IV should probably be targetting Johnny btw

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I think Vax should probably check IV since a lot of people were having trouble figuring out their alignment and I think IV should make sure that Johnny (who is probably a ruskie) should not be able to nuke

[The Church of Skitter]

IV makes sure 1 scum can't nuke
DeasVail makes sure no other questionable nukes can come out.

pedit: there shouldn't be anything to worry about

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if IV goes on Johnny scum don't have room to breathe because if they have a 2nd silo DeasVail most likely stops it.
It doesn't make sense to me for IV to do nothing because Johnny is very likely a ruskie

[The Church of Skitter]

He is going to force DeasVail to intercept him

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What stops the last scum from just doing whatever it is they want to do

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oh ok

[The Church of Skitter]

I still think IV is the best check for the gamestate tho

[The Church of Skitter]

ya no joq and gorilla are right you guys are right

[The Church of Skitter]

Bell on Vax or Toogeloo
Bingle on IV
IV does nothing
I think Vax should check IV I think thats best for the gamestate

[The Church of Skitter]

Yep lets end day

[The Church of Skitter]

Johnny hammer Sam?

[The Church of Skitter]

Bingle is marry's replacement

[The Church of Skitter]

Bell on Vax or Toogeloo
Bingle on IV
IV does nothing
I think Vax should check IV I think thats best for the gamestate

[The Church of Skitter]

HAMMER!

[The Church of Skitter]

YGOTAS isn't funny

[The Church of Skitter]

I appreciate the lolcats tho

[The Church of Skitter]

I'm not a Russian lol

[The Church of Skitter]

I would like to make it clear that that hammer was a reprisal for all of the mispronunciations of Murrika, and if you had pronounced Murrika correctly you would never have been thrown off of that cliff.

omg

[The Church of Skitter]

that's a weird kill

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btw i was re-reading last night and tbh
johnnyfarrar doesn't really seem scummy
actually he seems like he was posting in a way that probably comes from a villager tbh

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Cephrir - Not Ruskie
innocentvillager - I still think his claim is townie because I do think Mognet crummbed who he was targeting N1 but aside from that, I got nothin and hope Vax copped it to verify if this is town.
Save the Dragons - Nuked koto and townie via vibes ig. Could be scum that nuked scum if something was going wrong in scumchat but the vibes are good.
Vaxkiller - Espionage
Toogeloo - Battleship
gorilla - Pretty solid town
JohnnyFarrar - 4504
DeasVail - Really townie vibes
Titus - They're probably town
joqiza - Has said really smart things and I like his attitude towards being resolved and pushed by gorilla.
Bingle - Considering all 3 flipped scum spewed the slot town, it's probably a villager

[The Church of Skitter]

Toog who did you target

[The Church of Skitter]

Plz wait for nukes tho...

for what

[The Church of Skitter]

I think we should bet the game on vax being town

[The Church of Skitter]

I think his D2 was pretty likely to be town

[The Church of Skitter]

probably not as town as some other players but probably town

[The Church of Skitter]

I think if you read my ISO you'll hate the bits I've posted between DEFCON 5-2 and you'll like my D3 posting.
As a villager it kinda takes me a bit to get into the game and my late game is a lot more readable then my early game.

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Is this setup such that there could NOT be a cop? Because no cc?

If no one has espionage its because no one drafted it

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I really goddamn don't. And I don't like him not outing his clear on T3 before T3 was killed off. I don't think his check on cephrir makes a ton of sense when he had expressed he thought cephrir was likely town the day before. And I don't care for the way he attacked people on a look bck.

If I vaguely remember Vax's meta, I think he's more likely to do more aggressive things as town than scum but this could be wrong

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Tho like, if Vax was scum, and he's afraid of a Fighter, then ya, ig it makes sense for Bell to be the kill

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Bell was pretty townie too no

[The Church of Skitter]

Ok. Who all has nukes? I'm formulating a plan

Cephrir
Save the Dragons
gorilla
JohnnyFarrar Equinox The Entity (Equinox/xRECKONERx) Equinox
The Church of Skitter (Alisae/Menalque)
Titus
joqiza

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cop gorilla imo

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only way we lose if vax is town is if gorilla is scum and he can be a powerwolf it's not impossible but I kinda just think he's town

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Gorilla what's your marry/bingle read?

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Actually maybe I should just be honest with myself
I think the Bell kill was made because scum think if they make a kill that vax+toog if scum would make, then they could get people to kill Vax and Toog.

The reason I think its gorilla is because he's been in entire control of the game and he has been doing what he can to try to keep the game in a state of order that benefits scum

pedit: The reason I asked because it confuses me how you still think that VFP interactions clear marry but you're trying to move more suspicion onto me even tho you cleared me for what seems like a pretty identical reason?

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Actually maybe I should just be honest with myself
I think the Bell kill was made because scum think if they make a kill that vax+toog if scum would make, then they could get people to kill Vax and Toog.

The reason I think its gorilla is because he's been in entire control of the game and he has been doing what he can to try to keep the game in a state of order that benefits scum

pedit: The reason I asked because it confuses me how you still think that VFP interactions clear marry but you're trying to move more suspicion onto me even tho you cleared me for what seems like a pretty identical reason?

I'm...not trying to move suspicion onto you?

Did I misread this?

In fact I'm entertaining Church's suspicions from there yesterday. Didn't love the ISO on a re-skim.

I also feel like toogeloo being left alive is a sign that the remaining mafia just don't feel threatened by the existence of a cop? That's the conclusion I seem to be drawn toward.

[The Church of Skitter]

OH LMAO YOU'RE SAYING YOU AGREE WITH ME

[The Church of Skitter]

Okay fine I can drop it I think I misread

[The Church of Skitter]

I still feel like it could make sense for you to be a scum mastermind?
I should probably take a deeper look but it feels right to me? I do feel like you're trying to keep things orderly and I'm not sure I like that. Order is generally better for scum.

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Like honestly I really don't know.
I kind of want to trust that you think your scumgame is nothing special but I'm not sure that's the most reliable considering you haven't played and it wouldn't be impossible for you to play scum at a competent level after returning to the site.