Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

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do i have to pull out the ol' "don't claim unprompted in the closed theme" bat again? it's a little dusty but i will.

I mean, there's no point in doing it now. Besides, Toogeloo is probably town.

I actually kind of worry about it being the kind of thing Third Party might do in order to gain town cred for having a vaguely confirmable action without being threatening enough to draw a NK. It's the kind of play I would consider if I were a TP and had a vaguely confirmable role. Also, knowing HP in general seems like a role that would be more useful for scum than town.

All of that is a little tin foil hat though.

This comes from a player who I know immediately claims vt as vt in the mason vs scum stump setups, if that adds context

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Subject: Titus v Nancy Drew (Game Over)

Good evening to you all. I'm not going to overspeculate, but I'm going to at least assume scum didn't go crazy with their role picks. I'm VT which means I'm just along for the ride this game. Titus' got her team she wants, Nancy's got their team of Masons they want, other peeps got some juicy powerz probably, and then me... stuck in the middle twiddlin' my thumbs.

Wait... Why's this feel so familiar? Pooky, I'm having déjà vu!?!

To be clear, this wasn't a good idea in that game, or in the game before where they did this, but at least they're consistent. Though I think it loops back around into being "not towny" (the role is though)

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MOD EVENT

(2) Ignore the lake, moving on with your adventure

> You decide this is no time for relaxation! You must continue to climb the tree, no matter the expense. You ignore the lake and march forward.

Votecount 1.1

Adventurers

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Morph the Cat (fferyllt/Cabd) [1]: Bingle
Dunnstral [0]:
Save the Dragons [0]: Sigmund
White Fire (Shiro/Firebringer) [1]: jjh927
Lady Lambdadelta [1]: Thestatusquo
Guillotina [1]: jjh927
Thestatusquo [1]: MURDERCAT
MURDERCAT [2]: Chara, White Fire
Bingle [2]: Flea the Magician, Save the Dragons
Not_mafia [1]: Anya


Not Voting: (10) Something_Smart, Toogeloo, notscience, Dunnstral, Artemiana, NDMath, mastina, Bell, Titus, Lady Lambdadetla

With 24 alive it takes 13 to eliminate. Stratum 1 ends in (expired on 2021-06-04 22:25:25).

@mod is the OP accurate?

Yes.

How come some players are shown with no votes and others aren't listed?

Mod errors. I went back and implemented the changes for that votecount.

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VOTE: Flea the Magician

scumposting

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We were told this in sign-ups

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By the way town had to confirm by adding him on discord

Role PMs are going out. Confirmation will be slightly different.

Once I feel everyone has confirmed, we will start N0.

VOTE: mastina

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I voted dunn for the omgus shiggles, and now I vote for the cheap shot.

VOTE: Flea The Magician

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I'm not sure I did stuff D1 in Death Curse either tbh

I found you very good while observing your day one. Maybe those in the game felt otherwise but they're not chiming in.

Try for us.

Hmm, stroking my ego? It's working (but I think everyone speccing just called us trash for not killing Noraa D1 that game)

Bell is NAI posting but it's a good push because of 344 suggesting he is not going to go back and interact with any content from the first ~10 pages

Dunn voting for Flea seems off to me

271 from Fark felt genuine to me

LLD is null to me, and I'm not sure what to make of Shea trying to generate content off her posts, but it feels towny to me?

I can't remember if notscience was that alt I played with a couple times, haven't gathered anything from his posts

Nothing else stuck out to me

scummy post

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271 from Fark felt genuine to me

271 is completely pointless

Feels like the sort of thing you'd put in a scum pt if you had one

I don't believe that this is a real read you have

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Dunn scumread - Specifically the mastina vote didn't make sense from a logical standpoint and 402 is a poor reaction.

Was I right or not?

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VLA until Sunday

There isn't really an I am sick as fuck option. I'm doing the best I can right now. I strongly feel Anya and G are teamed. I can't prove it but G's reaction is OMGUS for omgus sake. I could buy a certain amount of bias after our last game, but this just feels like they're hiding instead. There's no hunting, just whining.

When I asked G to give a read on Anya (who I had gut pings on at the time), they tried to pass the buck.

When Anya votes G, there's no interaction there.

Get out of here! The game may have started earlier for you guys but it did the moment i actually posted here the first time for me, dont expect me to have reads when i just got here. When you scum read me for my suspicion on Sigmund's TMI, it reminded me of your scum game in that one Deck of Astral game.
I smell fear of me in you and you are trying to get everyone else wagoned on me because i have recent scum meta of you.

You dont believe your read if you are town, hence my vote is sticking on you.

Oh and one more thing, town can OMGUS, scum call out OMGUS to discredit the reaction of townies towards their scummy pushes. OMGUS is term created by scum for scum, you are not gonna discredit my feelings and my resd by passing it out as OMGUS. My reaction and read on you is real and has conviction behind it.

Cabd

Does this feel similar to Xenoblade 2 to you?

Spoiler:

WTF! If you guys think that i am scum because i made the mistake of defending what seemed like an LHF being bullied by a power player then you got it all wrong!!! Im town. I was not a lurker on Day 1, it implies i've been in the game but not engaging which is not true. I signed up to a game that is supposed to last 10 days per day phase which adjusted to my work schedule and free time but it ended in a day!! If i knew i was signing up for a blitz game i wouldn't have sign up at all.

Now it's Saturday night and I already got plans, so if this game does not end in 12 hours, we can talk, but I'm town!! My only sin was feeling empathy for someone I thought was being bullied!!

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VLA until Sunday

There isn't really an I am sick as fuck option. I'm doing the best I can right now. I strongly feel Anya and G are teamed. I can't prove it but G's reaction is OMGUS for omgus sake. I could buy a certain amount of bias after our last game, but this just feels like they're hiding instead. There's no hunting, just whining.

When I asked G to give a read on Anya (who I had gut pings on at the time), they tried to pass the buck.

When Anya votes G, there's no interaction there.

Get out of here! The game may have started earlier for you guys but it did the moment i actually posted here the first time for me, dont expect me to have reads when i just got here. When you scum read me for my suspicion on Sigmund's TMI, it reminded me of your scum game in that one Deck of Astral game.
I smell fear of me in you and you are trying to get everyone else wagoned on me because i have recent scum meta of you.

You dont believe your read if you are town, hence my vote is sticking on you.

Oh and one more thing, town can OMGUS, scum call out OMGUS to discredit the reaction of townies towards their scummy pushes. OMGUS is term created by scum for scum, you are not gonna discredit my feelings and my resd by passing it out as OMGUS. My reaction and read on you is real and has conviction behind it.

Cabd

Does this feel similar to Xenoblade 2 to you?

Spoiler:

WTF! If you guys think that i am scum because i made the mistake of defending what seemed like an LHF being bullied by a power player then you got it all wrong!!! Im town. I was not a lurker on Day 1, it implies i've been in the game but not engaging which is not true. I signed up to a game that is supposed to last 10 days per day phase which adjusted to my work schedule and free time but it ended in a day!! If i knew i was signing up for a blitz game i wouldn't have sign up at all.

Now it's Saturday night and I already got plans, so if this game does not end in 12 hours, we can talk, but I'm town!! My only sin was feeling empathy for someone I thought was being bullied!!

Does it to you? What exactly are we looking at here? Hmm?

The way you defended yourself felt similar to me, and that defense of "I just got got here" felt like a callback to xenoblade 2. Mostly your first two sentences here.

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The way you defended yourself felt similar to me, and that defense of "I just got got here" felt like a callback to xenoblade 2. Mostly your first two sentences here.

I'm not so sure about the rest of your play.

The tone from the first two lines reminded me of your post in xenoblade

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What have you done that is so townie?
You never responded to my question either

The full summation of my play has been softing a role really hard

I noticed this

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VLA until Sunday

There isn't really an I am sick as fuck option. I'm doing the best I can right now. I strongly feel Anya and G are teamed. I can't prove it but G's reaction is OMGUS for omgus sake. I could buy a certain amount of bias after our last game, but this just feels like they're hiding instead. There's no hunting, just whining.

When I asked G to give a read on Anya (who I had gut pings on at the time), they tried to pass the buck.

When Anya votes G, there's no interaction there.

Get out of here! The game may have started earlier for you guys but it did the moment i actually posted here the first time for me, dont expect me to have reads when i just got here. When you scum read me for my suspicion on Sigmund's TMI, it reminded me of your scum game in that one Deck of Astral game.
I smell fear of me in you and you are trying to get everyone else wagoned on me because i have recent scum meta of you.

You dont believe your read if you are town, hence my vote is sticking on you.

Oh and one more thing, town can OMGUS, scum call out OMGUS to discredit the reaction of townies towards their scummy pushes. OMGUS is term created by scum for scum, you are not gonna discredit my feelings and my resd by passing it out as OMGUS. My reaction and read on you is real and has conviction behind it.

Cabd

Does this feel similar to Xenoblade 2 to you?

Spoiler:

WTF! If you guys think that i am scum because i made the mistake of defending what seemed like an LHF being bullied by a power player then you got it all wrong!!! Im town. I was not a lurker on Day 1, it implies i've been in the game but not engaging which is not true. I signed up to a game that is supposed to last 10 days per day phase which adjusted to my work schedule and free time but it ended in a day!! If i knew i was signing up for a blitz game i wouldn't have sign up at all.

Now it's Saturday night and I already got plans, so if this game does not end in 12 hours, we can talk, but I'm town!! My only sin was feeling empathy for someone I thought was being bullied!!

Does it to you? What exactly are we looking at here? Hmm?

The way you defended yourself felt similar to me, and that defense of "I just got got here" felt like a callback to xenoblade 2. Mostly your first two sentences here.

Uhuh, so it had nothing to do with being the game where I randed scum where Cabd correctly scum read me and maybe you want to associate my performance from that game with this one to influence the perspective of the player list towards my slot, putting me under a bad light? Right?

Like, i've played a lot of games since them, both as scum and as town that are nowhere similar to how i played in Xenoblade. It feels like you want to shade me and discredit my defense here over my defense in that game.

I am pointing to parallels between your post here and a post you've made when you were scum

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what

If I'm scum why push you, is the point

This isn't a very good argument

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Why though? What's the intention? What's the motive?

Figuring out your alignment

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Why though? What's the intention? What's the motive?

Figuring out your alignment

And that is how you intend to do it? with meta from one game. When i flip town and realize that the parallel was NAI, what do you plan to do next?

I believe this is an overreaction and I'm not voting you

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So is Ircher on page 2 or 35?

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This game is moving quite fast

I appreciate what Morph hydra has done and feel lld is town as well

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Dunnra Kai who’s scum

I am not the right person to ask at this point

My thoughts were that I had a few people as town and towny, but not a lo tof scum leans, but I wasn' quick to assume that everyone who wasn't posting was scum

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Dunn scumread - Specifically the mastina vote didn't make sense from a logical standpoint and 402 is a poor reaction.

Was I right or not?

You were wrong? I feel like I'm misunderstanding something for that to be a question.

Thinking about it, my reason did end up being wrong, but I wasn't far off - it looks like mastina missed this information because her role pm was just too long due to being 3rd party

I disagree that it didn't make sense, it was clear that the game wouldn't start until everyone confirmed, and that you needed to post in discord to confirm. I was thinking maybe the scum chat that would be in a normal pt (?) would suffice as confirmation and that nobody talked about discord communications

I townread each of guillo and shea now.

Dragons repeated mention of hp also feels town.

This is a pretty bad reason to townread somebody. Dragons wasn't even the one who outted this info initially.

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Dunnra Kai who’s scum

I am not the right person to ask at this point

My thoughts were that I had a few people as town and towny, but not a lo tof scum leans, but I wasn' quick to assume that everyone who wasn't posting was scum

I think flea is/was scummy for the whole "any wagon is great, even if it's on me" thing

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I did not take hp from anyone N0.

Whats clear is that someone in this game has an ability to debuff other players in some way shape or form.

Instead of talking about who it is, we could probably put a leash on by having everyone give top 2-3 players that should be debuffed thus limiting the debuffers options.

Also wheres the flareon? I might have been to quick to give him rock dtatus

Debuff:
Toogeloo
NDmath
White Fire

I don't really understand the context behind these posts, how is it clear that somebody has an ability to debuff? (It's very possible I missed this)

I don't believe that this is a real read you have

Wha-

Why not?

Because thinking that scum would put 271 in their scum pt instead is ridiculous

Speaking of the not_mafia, my guess is that it's a double voter that somebody got to name; voting them is almost certainly a waste of guillotines, even if it were a scum double vote

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If you guys want, we can try to kill it with hp damage

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Dunnra Kai who’s scum

I am not the right person to ask at this point

My thoughts were that I had a few people as town and towny, but not a lo tof scum leans, but I wasn' quick to assume that everyone who wasn't posting was scum

I think flea is/was scummy for the whole "any wagon is great, even if it's on me" thing

Caught this in my recent post skim...

Dunn you saw my performance in SS3, did I scare you that much?

This isn't a good defense, if that's what this is

Because thinking that scum would put 271 in their scum pt instead is ridiculous

Even so, why does ridiculous mean fake? It's not as though townies never have weird reads that don't make any sense.

Well I didn't vote him but it definitely reads as faking reads

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I didn't ask you for anything

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So was Artemenia asking us to leash them?

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Whats clear is that someone in this game has an ability to debuff other players in some way shape or form.

When was this made clear?

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Ircher remains a fine wagon, for those looking to join a wagon.

I thought Ircher's bravado in 1518 was towny. I don't know Ircher's scumgame super well, but that feels like it's possibly outside of it.

I disagree

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For meta reasons?

I just don't think you can call them town off of that

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Observing that he can say that as scum, while technically true, misses the point.

I don't think it does, actually

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Have we talked about the flavor for the game yet?

Cabd's claim is believeable because there are several classes that an ability like that would make sense on. The not_mafia thing is likely the work of one specific class with negative connotations, though I assume flavor =/= alignment here.

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Likewise, I can associate artemenia with certain classes

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There's an angleshoot that says I'm town in the last few pages, you just need to look for it

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Tell em' ffery

Use your big brain

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also i just backflipped out of my scum meta, you're all welcome. i figured out what the difference is!

(disclaimer: i don't expect anybody to buy this. it's just going to be for Chara.)

I buy it

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I mean any sequence of characters could theoretically come out of the keyboard of a player of either alignment. Reading people is all about judging whether posts are more likely to come from town or scum.

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i think it'd be cool if everyone who hasn't given a read on Sigmund, STD, Ircher, Flea, does so.

Sigmund: I don't know

Save the Dragons: Not scummy

Ircher: I don't know

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VOTE: flea

vote: Flea

I approve

How committed are you guys to this?

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Tell em' ffery

Use your big brain

I'm wondering if Morph ever caught onto this and have kept it to themselves or if they have no clue what I'm on about

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VOTE: Anya

Because LLD seems convinced

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Tell em' ffery

Use your big brain

I'm wondering if Morph ever caught onto this and have kept it to themselves or if they have no clue what I'm on about

We metaphorically looked sideways at each other and shrugged. "something about galaxy brains?"

Although looking back that was probably a gloss-over.

Your certainty does ping townish, though.

I presented that I knew about the flavor then Bell came in and said that the mod was disappointed nobody knew the flavor

It's because I'm not in a scum chat

^^^ Infallible evidence

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Yes you should claim

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I suspect that Not_Mafia may be a scum-aligned extra vote, we should play as if it is, at least

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And the reason I think that is not flavor, but the fact that if it's an extra vote the fact that it's just sitting there is scummy

Though I think the vote counts indicate that it had no vote weight

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Sigmund turning out to be town

Would any claim make you think town?

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You really just live on level one and don't even know other levels exist, huh?

Ok, do we have a problem mate? Because this feels like its getting personal.

There is no insult that you can tell me to compel me to yeet a doctor claim, keyboard warrior.

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Votecount 1.12

Adventurers

:

Sigmund [9]: Save the Dragons, Flea the Magician, NDMath, MURDERCAT, Bingle, Thestatusquo, Chara, Artemiana, Guillotina
Anya [9]: Ircher, Lady Lambdadelta, Titus, morph the cat, Bell, Sigmund, Dunnstral, WhemeStar, notscience
Flea the Magician [2]: White Fire, Farkran,
Lady Lambdadelta [1]: Anya


Not Voting [2]: Not_Mafia, Something_Smart, Toogeloo

With 23 alive it takes 13 to eliminate. Stratum 1 ends in (expired on 2021-06-04 22:25:25).

Votecount 1.13

Adventurers

:

Anya [12]: Ircher, Lady Lambdadelta, Titus, morph the cat, Bell, Sigmund, Dunnstral, notscience, Something_Smart, Artemiana, Bingle, Whemestar

[E-1!]

Sigmund [5]: Save the Dragons, Flea the Magician, NDMath, MURDERCAT, Thestatusquo
Flea the Magician [4]: White Fire, Farkran, Chara, Guillotina
Lady Lambdadelta [1]: Anya

With 23 alive it takes 13 to eliminate. Stratum 1 ends in (expired on 2021-06-04 22:25:25).

Not Voting [2]: Not_Mafia, Toogeloo

@mod

is the Not voting vote weight correct? 2 for both of these vote counts?

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So Not_Mafia does not appear to hold a vote

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White Fire = mafia?

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Just a thought I had about who I scumread

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I was never reading them as town
They're disengaged at day end
Their voting history is sucky (flea vote tbd)
With 6 scum and generally agreeing with your town lost, it's easier to poe them as scum

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It's past midnight but wanted to get out these thoughts.

{Toog, Guillatina, Sigmund, Artemis, Bingle, Morph, Bell} is a list of nothing but town names. MAYBE wrong about one but I extremely doubt it. If there's more than one there I will go find a candy hat and eat it.

Fuck mechrole comparisons. Mech role comparisons lost me that large normal. Play and intent matters 150% more.

That isn't to say others are not townreads of mine, but that uppermost tier is devoted to town.

Not sure about bingle or sigmund

I thought guillotina looked townier the last few pages

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I just don't think of them as strongly town

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dunn has low scum equity with bingle

I simultaneously think that if dunn were scum he’d definitely know that

But also that if dunn were town he wouldn’t have missed it

Well, take another look at my iso after the first day of posting. I did indeed skip over that part to get to more recent events

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It is crazy how often I townslip as town

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Tell 'em ffery

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we can duel tomorrow notsci. Kobra kai style. u me in the ring

??

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If that was a vig shot onto STD, you had better have a GOOD GODDAMN reason, we got his wraith-fruit last night and the last 48 hours of day one he was BLEEDING town.

I dealt two damage to him. I didn't see him as bleeding town.

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I saw him as firmly within the poe of remaining players, and not having good votes, and having a measly 3 hp and able to die if anybody else shot at him

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I think that the anya elimination is worth going over more than the night kills

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Final Votecount 1.14

Adventurers

:

Anya [13]: Ircher, Lady Lambdadelta, Titus, Bell, Sigmund, Dunnstral, notscience, Something_Smart, Artemiana, Bingle, Whemestar, Flea The Magician, Toogeloo

[Hammer!]

Sigmund [5]: Save the Dragons, Flea the Magician, NDMath, MURDERCAT, Thestatusquo
Flea the Magician [4]: White Fire, Farkran, Chara, Guillotina
Lady Lambdadelta [1]: Anya

Not Voting [1]: Not_Mafia, morph the cat

Looking at this yesterday my suspects based on wagon positions were:

Wheme, Flea, Save the Dragons, Flea again, NDMath, MURDERCAT, Thestatusquo, White Fire

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Well, wagon positions mixed a bit with my own reads

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Dunn, are you willing to vote NDMath with me?

@Ircher, Hi.

Probably

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VOTE: NDMath

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Ok so thoughts on me claiming my action

Whats the rule of thumb for this

If you think it's relevant go for it

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UNVOTE:

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You should have held onto that guilty for a little longer. What do we think about NDMath assuming Titus flips scum?

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Final Votecount 1.14

Adventurers

:

Anya [13]: Ircher, Lady Lambdadelta, Titus, Bell, Sigmund, Dunnstral, notscience, Something_Smart, Artemiana, Bingle, Whemestar, Flea The Magician, Toogeloo

[Hammer!]

Sigmund [5]: Save the Dragons, Flea the Magician, NDMath, MURDERCAT, Thestatusquo
Flea the Magician [4]: White Fire, Farkran, Chara, Guillotina
Lady Lambdadelta [1]: Anya

Not Voting [1]: Not_Mafia, morph the cat

Looking at this yesterday my suspects based on wagon positions were:

Wheme, Flea, Save the Dragons, Flea again, NDMath, MURDERCAT, Thestatusquo, White Fire

Narrowing this down:

Flea, MURDERCAT, Thestatusquo, White Fire

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It was fairly obvious that "not_mafia" was a ninja's doppleganger and most likely a scum role.

Check the Ninja's wiki page about it:

Kagerou Create a shadow of yourself in an empty slot to draw attacks.

I assumed necromancer rising corpses that they named, taking a less thorough look at the wiki and settling on pet classes

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We can vig the guilty and lim elsewhere. If that fails, we can come back to it tomorrow.

We don't know if mafia have further abilities to stop themselves from being killed at night. Bad idea.

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I choose a person with my active skill and am told if we share an alignment.

Not sure how much further I can go without stating ver batum

Okay. The wording of that is odd. Why would it say "compares to your own alignment" instead of "tells you their alignment"?

I'm confused. Help me square this circle.

Gives two targets for a potential framer?

i.e. a framer could target Artemiana and mess up their result

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I don't like the feeling that we're being herded down the turbolim tunnel here.

Something feels VERY wrong and our hives are out in full force.

I think we should definitely elim Titus today, but I'd like for the day to play out more before rushing into the elim

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Anya, Titus, White Fire were the 3 who were voting for the doppelganger the other day, right?

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Yesterday's flip looks super good for lld and sigmund.
I believe that those are my only reads that actually changed from the flip but still need to look at farkran again.

You should have held onto that guilty for a little longer. What do we think about NDMath assuming Titus flips scum?

What is this referring to?
(To be fair am doing that now with arte's claim)


Some of the morph/bingle mech talk is going over my head which is abnormal for me, just gonna not worry about it.

They came into today pushing you

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I don't like the feeling that we're being herded down the turbolim tunnel here.

Something feels VERY wrong and our hives are out in full force.

I think we should definitely elim Titus today, but I'd like for the day to play out more before rushing into the elim

I'm not loving this post. I find scum often say things like this to try to take a voice of reason stance in the thread. Who is rushing this day? Why do you feel the need to caution against it? What does "play out" mean in this context. What more information are you hoping to gather here specifically?

Please put these things into more specific terms because all of this kind of reads like vague platitudes to me that does nothing to advance the game state.

I don't like the feeling that we're being herded down the turbolim tunnel here.

Something feels VERY wrong and our hives are out in full force.

I think we should definitely elim Titus today, but I'd like for the day to play out more before rushing into the elim

I'm of the same mind that we have to.

RN I don't like Chara or Farkan after the Anya flip, I'm concerned about Morph, and I'm not feeling Murdercat's drop off either.

How are you on those slots?

To be clear, I'm responding to stuff back when artemenia was claiming something different

I still think eliminating Titus is the best play today

I was responding to Morph as well

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RN I don't like Chara or Farkan after the Anya flip, I'm concerned about Morph, and I'm not feeling Murdercat's drop off either.

How are you on those slots?

I'm not suspecting Chara/Farkran, I think Chara would try to bus and don't have an opinion on Farkan

Morph seems fine to me. They don't seem to be leading us down a bad path like potentially sigmund the other day

I also feel Murdercat looks bad here

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What is used may never again be consumed.

VOTE: Anya

Well here is where their vote moved

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If your only real target was Titus, wouldn't you always get a result of same alignment?

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Why is White Fire town?

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I know for role reasons that this claim is bs btw

Let's hear it

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Also it's very strange to out with that but to offer no other followup and disappear

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If that was a vig shot onto STD, you had better have a GOOD GODDAMN reason, we got his wraith-fruit last night and the last 48 hours of day one he was BLEEDING town.

Do you still care about this?

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Okay so my innate ability allows me to see stuff that may have happened to my target.

I target sigmund last night

I got - Alone but troubled. The scenery is filled with clouds. He tries his best, but his best was not needed.

ANYONE WANNA HELP TELL ME WTF THIS MEANS

The wheme dream thing,
Sigmund was not targeted by anyone and he tried to protect someone and missed.
I have an associates in dream interpretation (this is a lie) so you can trust me.

We targeted Sigmund and were told we were successful.

Is this not a counterclaim of sorts?

My interpretation is that Wheme saw sigmund attempt to protect somebody with their action, but their action wasn't needed (no night kill on target)

Except they claimed "follower", but sigmund is seen alone even though Morph targeted them

[Dunnstral]

Or if it's not a counterclaim, somebody help me understand how it isn't, because I see two people claiming opposite things happened

[Dunnstral]

One thing about me, and ffery, is that after being burned on lolsetupspec a few times, we're going to follow our read over the mechanics and spec. It was true for sigmund, and it's going to be true here. I doubt we'll get our way, and one of our two town reads is doomed to die today anyways.

I don't think a cop guilty is the kind of mechanic you can choose to ignore
Also, Sigmund's wagon wasn't based on mechanics
Also, Sigmund hasn't even actually flipped yet

[Dunnstral]

Eh, I don’t really think white fire has anything that truly demonstrates Artemis is lying given their commitment to it.

We probably shouldn't let them get away with lying to stall scum elims either

[Dunnstral]

Or halt, rather. Whatever they're trying to do right now, and the weird talks towards notsci at the end of the last day that didn't amount to anything. There's a lot of weird stuff going on today

[Dunnstral]

LLD, you have my sword

[Dunnstral]

I doubt we'll get our way, and one of our two town reads is doomed to die today anyways.

@Bell, dunn, et al.

Do you have scumreads you can point to or d you need to sit down and think about it?

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Rocket Fist Chara removed 1 hp from the game - innate
Data Mined NDMath (2 sp) - Blocked NDMath from regenerating SP.

why didn't you target me with both abilities?

not that i'm complaining i guess.

If Titus is scum this is worth looking into

Chara being attacked, I mean

[Dunnstral]

PAnd I mean with power roles 'cause there is theatre potential here

[Dunnstral]

Titus is fake claiming

She does 1 damage and can spend 2 sp to stop somebody from regenerating 1 sp

[Dunnstral]

Titus is fake claiming

She does 1 damage and can spend 2 sp to stop somebody from regenerating 1 sp

isn't this what she claimed?

Yes, and that role seems... pathetic from a balance standpoint

[Dunnstral]

And excuse me, but Sigmund is not confirmed town, he just claimed doctor and the longer he lives the more i will believe he fake claimed.

This is amusing after yesterday

[Dunnstral]

Also: why was it 13 to eliminate yesterday?

[Dunnstral]

Artemenia's claim would not require self targetting

It was 13 to elim with 23 alive

[Dunnstral]

And why did the doppelganger appear at a time that wasn't the start of the day

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: dunnstral

You don't want this

[Dunnstral]

hi LLD. i'm still thinking about sheeping you but i've had a second wind so it won't be blind. also i might be on your list so lmao.

I prefer this cause it makes me more able to read you. You are on my list to solve today to be sure but yeah this will help me sort you.

I would like to go over this list to solve before I commit to anything today

Right now I am at:
Morph town based on play
Chara feels town
S_S and Whemestar to the north of null
Guillotina towny
I at least have good feelings about TSQ right now, though this isn't a very strong read due to how fakeable I feel this can be
And Bell is towny
I have you as strong town and of course there's Bingle
And yeah, Titus makes sense as town to me based on their targets. I still think they're holding something back in their role claim and that I wasn't wrong about that.

Middle of the pack reads where I'm not taking a hard town or scum stance:
Farkran
Sigmund (They have the wagon situation and claim d1 in their favor)
Notscience
Artemenia
Flea (almost a scumread)

Leaving me with the following players as scum:
White Fire
MURDERCAT
NDMath
Ircher

[Dunnstral]

NDMath read is a lot of poe and I don't really want to go there today

[Dunnstral]

Dunn: why do you TR SS? also curious about your non-poe scumreads, but mostly Ircher, and what the difference is between poe scum and just null in your list.

It's just a feeling

The difference is that I believe everyone in poe scum is a likely mafia while null is sort later

[Dunnstral]

Dunn you know you can interact with me to try and read me better right

Not a priority, but noted

[Dunnstral]

hey dunn u gonna respond to me or what

It doesn't seem like you've addressed me

[Dunnstral]

Try being 20 pages behind, also Dunn votes are always good, no doubt he's still wearing his drill out on me.

Already am. That said, with what I'm reading I wont be for long -.-;

This woe is me/Dunn tunneling angle is way overblown considering what is actually going down

At this point in the thread you should not be caught up enough to see that it was a fake guilty, why do you think you would be eliminated over a guilty?

[Dunnstral]

Dunn, have you played much with Farkran?

Not really

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: MURDERCAT

[Dunnstral]

What's a "comedy read"?

[Dunnstral]

Challenge: briefly describe what White Fire has done this day phase without looking back

[Dunnstral]

Challenged u to a 1v1.

When?

[Dunnstral]

Ive been prodding u basically this whole day

This is untrue

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: dunnstral

You don't want this

I'm not sure what i want at the moment, but what i do know is that im not going give you a pass based off a weak reach out.

Middle of the pack reads where I'm not taking a hard town or scum stance:
Farkran
Sigmund (They have the wagon situation and claim d1 in their favor)
Notscience
Artemenia
Flea (almost a scumread)

And that half baked reach out doesnr make a whole lot of sense when you take this into consideration

*waves* Arte just uses my pronouns instead of my name kinda cute ^_^

Your pronoun beinf unique makes it an easy identifier. Imagine me calling a person "town him" or " town her" with zero context

Arte – This interaction with the wagon just looks super town to me. Pushing people in that direction, but in a sort of collaborative way that reads townie to me. Maybe because I do that too as town.

Scum

LLD – Still don’t like LLD, think it was a D1 bus. The quotes that I posted in 3993 just feel off to me. I know LLD is a forceful player but it’s too confident. Like what is 2752 even saying? What in the Anya quotes makes LLD “very certain”? And the reasoning in 2709 just feels so fake to me. “There is something genuine lacking there” isn’t a real thought imo.

.

How did you get here from wagon analysis

I'm confused, I don't see either of these points

What I don’t get is why scum kitty would pick a fight here. Lld is fresh off a kill and I’m both defensive and easily sortable.

I feel the same

Other than that thoufh, im not impressed and it makea me question my earlier townreads on MC

What do you think of Irchers going against the grain here?

We doubted the claim.

For context, Mara and Cabd hydra'd (for the first time, I think) in one of the games I played in 2013. In that game they:

- faked an inno on my hydra
- faked a neighborhood with a dead player (the dead player had dead-neighborized me on the previous game day, so it wasn't a completely out of the blue fake)
- in 3P ELO, fake-outed as a 3rd party survivor and invited the final scumplayer to also out and win together. Then hammered them

I don't recall that game. You sure it was Maraca?

I wasn't reaching out to you

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Okay so my innate ability allows me to see stuff that may have happened to my target.

I target sigmund last night

I got - Alone but troubled. The scenery is filled with clouds. He tries his best, but his best was not needed.

ANYONE WANNA HELP TELL ME WTF THIS MEANS

Uhhh

No one visited them and they submitted an action but it was unsuccessful?

Maybe?

IDFK that is some cryptic shit

Thats why I think scum has a roleblocker? Thats all I could get out of it is that he was roleblocked.

I thought about the roleblocker theory but here is the thing, why not roleblock and nightkill the doctor?
Why kill Toog and STD? Std was suspected by quite a few people, scum would see that player as mischop push?
What did they do those kills instead of going for the claim PR or our town leaders?

If I was scum and i got a roleblocker, i would both roleblock and nightkill the doctor claim. This is assuming they also have a killing role, because otherwise why roleblock the doctor if the only have one kill at their disposal.
But say the have a factional and some sort of vig, I would kill the doc and someone else whom i consider important, why instead just RB the doc and kill STD and Toog? Why? What’s the connection?

Also in the OP it says that only two actions have mortal consequences, the yeet and the factional kill. So... how did one of them die? Did they get attacked by multiple people as in Mafia ganged up on them?
Or was STD who had been suspected on D1 actually ganged up by multiple townies? No. That would take coordination though. No?

I did 2 damage to Dragons, so any other source of 1 damage would do it

[Dunnstral]

Why did you attack STD?

I explained this at the start of the day

[Dunnstral]

GLADIATE: MURDERCAT

There, it's official now. Take your pick: MURDERCAT or me. You have no other options now.

What is your intention with this?

[Dunnstral]

I think there have a been a lack of shots on people and wouldn't be surprised if scum stacked 3 damage onto dragons due to his public hp (in addition to my damage since they didn't know about it, for a total of 5 damage..)

[Dunnstral]

If that was a vig shot onto STD, you had better have a GOOD GODDAMN reason, we got his wraith-fruit last night and the last 48 hours of day one he was BLEEDING town.

I dealt two damage to him. I didn't see him as bleeding town.

[Dunnstral]

Why did you attack STD?

I explained this at the start of the day

You did, but your only mention of STD on Day 1 was this:

i think it'd be cool if everyone who hasn't given a read on Sigmund, STD, Ircher, Flea, does so.

Sigmund: I don't know

Save the Dragons: Not scummy

Ircher: I don't know

Feels like you mostly targeted him because of the low HP.

That was a tone-based read but then I looked at his positioning around Anya

I didn't shoot at white fire because I intended to push there the next day and I didn't want to shoot and then push the same person as that's wasting efficiency (and then a fake claim came out)

[Dunnstral]

Do we honestly think scum gets a gladiate on top of all the damage flying around?

I think that is very unlikely

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Ircher

[Dunnstral]

There was no shortage of people taking a stance between Murdercat/Ircher, I'm not sure what faking that was intended to accomplish

[Dunnstral]

Am I missing something? Did Notsci get mod confirmed? Discussion leads me to infer a yes? :/

I'm not quite sure what you're reading but no, this didn't happen

[Dunnstral]

Why do you want to see the mod confirmed player faded? If you think he is wrong, why not work with him instead? Help him look at things from another perspective?

He's a lost cause. Anyway, I know full well that Bingle is going to be faded, so it is more a symbolic gesture anyway.

If I truly wanted to get rid of him, it'd be pretty easy.

???

[Dunnstral]

It was a game-shaping event.

What did it accomplish?

[Dunnstral]

There's at least one scum in the people who switched from MURDERCAT to me between the last two vcs.

Why?

[Dunnstral]

There's at least one scum in the people who switched from MURDERCAT to me between the last two vcs. Guess who my money (if I were betting) is on?

None of these were after your fake gladiate

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: White Fire

[Dunnstral]

Yo Dunn, how do you feel about WhemeStar?

Cause recent posting has got me twitching a bit

I don't feel strongly about his posts

I acknowledge that it is possible for him to be mafia but don't want to go there when I have other scumreads

[Dunnstral]

Yo Dunn, how do you feel about WhemeStar?

Cause recent posting has got me twitching a bit

I don't feel strongly about his posts

I acknowledge that it is possible for him to be mafia but don't want to go there when I have other scumreads

And you think that White Fire is the right place to go?

Hasn't Firebringer been hard trolling this entire day though

I'm not sure why that's a reason not to vote for them?

I think White fire is one of many places we can go that would be good

I currently think that if there is only one between murdercat and Ircher, it's more likely to be murdercat (there's nothing to suggest it is not both except for wagons moving around and Ircher's willingness to vote for murdercat)

I do think Ircher's play is pretty strange

There are a lot of people who have faded into the background

[Dunnstral]

There's 5 scum left and only having 1 or 2 scumreads means you aren't looking at the game, especially when it's on people who aren't really in contention for being eliminated today

That's at Murdercat and White Fire, and kind of at THQ unless I totally missed his scumreads

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstrall tends to snap at people that push him. I think his vote is just that. A request for white fire to back up.
I might be oversimplifying a more complex behavior tho.

I think we should eliminate them because there is a good chance they are mafia

[Dunnstral]

That's at Murdercat

I have more than 1 or 2 scumreads

I believe you've indicated otherwise

[Dunnstral]

That reads list is like trying to die during the day on purpose

[Dunnstral]

hi LLD. i'm still thinking about sheeping you but i've had a second wind so it won't be blind. also i might be on your list so lmao.

I prefer this cause it makes me more able to read you. You are on my list to solve today to be sure but yeah this will help me sort you.

I would like to go over this list to solve before I commit to anything today

Right now I am at:
Morph town based on play
Chara feels town
S_S and Whemestar to the north of null
Guillotina towny
I at least have good feelings about TSQ right now, though this isn't a very strong read due to how fakeable I feel this can be
And Bell is towny
I have you as strong town and of course there's Bingle
And yeah, Titus makes sense as town to me based on their targets. I still think they're holding something back in their role claim and that I wasn't wrong about that.

Middle of the pack reads where I'm not taking a hard town or scum stance:
Farkran
Sigmund (They have the wagon situation and claim d1 in their favor)
Notscience
Artemenia
Flea (almost a scumread)

Leaving me with the following players as scum:
White Fire
MURDERCAT
NDMath
Ircher

[Dunnstral]

You still think both me and Ircher are scum?

It's possible

Can you go more in depth into your Chara read?

I think chara is a player who busses instead of doubles down on defense of a scum buddy

[Dunnstral]

This is the strong level of analytic reasoning that makes it so that my list means I am trying to die?

Having LLD, Bell, and myself at the bottom of your reads for shoddy reasons

[Dunnstral]

I want everyone to name their top 3 preferred votes today, as of right now, and give me a single line as to why for each.

White Fire - I don't see why the trollyness today is town. Or rather, they're just saying nonsense and don't have any real takes. Shiro has dropped off, I started having bad feelings about them on day 1. People have been hesitant to talk about White Fire as well
Murder Cat - They feel stiff, I think Bell has the right of it. 1 Hangup is that their reads list is almost too controversial, but they don't seem to realize what they're doing in that regard.
Ircher - I don't think the posturing around the gladiate was towny

List of people who are better elims than MC:

Dunn, Ircher, titus, notscience, something_smart.

I should not be on this list

i actually don't like Dunn's reaction to NM now that i look at it. "doublevoter that someone got to name" is wrong obviously, but the assumption that a player named it and it wasn't just a predetermined name from unwnd is actually correct. he could just be town who guessed right, but the focus on NM could be distancing.

i've been thinking about Dunn and his read on me, he seems pretty confident with how i'd approach a partner, and he isn't wrong, but the read kind of sticks out when i'm here accruing scumreads and Dunn then has a correct townread on me he's confident in. at least it contrasts Fark's read on the same topic where he came in thinking i wasn't scum but then became suspicious from other events.

ngl i'm extremely demotivated because i feel like a bunch of town are going to attack me tonight.

'not_mafia' is not a flavor name

I'd expect something like 'wraith' or 'shadow' to be flavor names, not ms players.

And I feel that I have some insight as to how you play after rolling scum with you in that other game. And I feel you're overstating other players' scumreads on you

[Dunnstral]

NDmath Or murdercat please.

Whichever of those two survive needs to get chopped.

I'm not really interested in an Ircher wagon RN.

I strongly back this up.

I can do this

I don't want to waste my night damage by shooting at someone and then wanting to eliminate them the next day

[Dunnstral]

Someone should summarize all the fake claims and things for context, I would but I'm on my phone and links would be nice

Yes! A list of claims etc. would really help. I just saw Bingle is confirmed town.

List of fake claims:
Morph: Immune to getting stats tampered by mafia
Artemiana: Cop with a guilty on Titus
White Fire: A role that knows that the above is fake
Ircher: Gladiator

[Dunnstral]

Someone should summarize all the fake claims and things for context, I would but I'm on my phone and links would be nice

[Dunnstral]

MCat has had some of the worst takes in the whole game

Ah yes I'm sure the consensus takes like ircher and myself being scum are the good ones in a game with 6 scum

What does that mean?

[Dunnstral]

You're still misreading unless you somehow know notscience's HP is 2.

Did you ever claim that you dealt 2 damage before?

[Dunnstral]

Ircher - He feels WEIRD here. The ConftownBingle/NotSci convo confusing me more. What we do know is notsci dies tonight from Irchers attack, as it's been claimed and I'm not entirely sure that kinda of stuck in the mud attitude is beneficial here.

You're still misreading unless you somehow know notscience's HP is 2. In fact, that alone is probably the strongest indicator for scum you I've seen all game. It's not terribly strong of course, but this confusion could be due to inside knowledge. Let's be clear here though: neither of us are claiming abilities that can instantly kill another player. Like I said earlier, we were referring to doing HP damage, and as it stands, it is highly likely neither of us die from HP damage tonight if we're the only ones to target each other.

I don't know why you bring up notsci having (potentially) 2 hp here

[Dunnstral]

The only way notsci dies tonight from me damaging him is if he has 2 HP. See my last post.

If not because you deal 2 damage then why?

[Dunnstral]

Opposite for me, I'd rather

VOTE: Murdercat

Based on feeling uncomfortable about the push on NDmath moreso than on the rest of my poe

[Dunnstral]

I mean I don't really see how what you quoted was softs nor do I think your role has to be town

I do think your role has enough utility that I'm willing to sh oot elsewhere. At white fire perhaps but I'd like for somebody (lld/morph/bingle) to make a call so that the shots kill someone

[Dunnstral]

Sigmund was only visit on LLD stratum 2.

This is the important part for verifying role

[Dunnstral]

(Bell, Mara, sigmund, morph)
(Wheme, Dwlee, LLD, Shea)
(Dunn, Katniss, Titus)
(Flea, ss, math)
(Chara, farkran)
(Ircher,MCat)

What about white fire?

[Dunnstral]

or is that katniss

Why do people have them up so high?

[Dunnstral]

Not necessarily

[Dunnstral]

It would probably cost sp to use and there was not a big reason to use it

[Dunnstral]

Not sure how I feel about the balance of watcher/doc/ic all being town, tbh,

This seems familiar

[Dunnstral]

Toog kill makes a lot more sense from scum trying to play around a watcher.

They'd have no reason to know there was a watcher though

[Dunnstral]

Spoiler: For LLD only

I'm getting paranoid with the way Morph is playing this day phase, I'm seeing tons of trying to move the wagon somewhere else and not as much working with people

[Dunnstral]

Every class uses sp for abilities both abilities on the map and abilities in combat (you can interact with or affect the environment with some abilities)

Farmer is not a combat class

[Dunnstral]

I don't think ndmath is lying about having no sp

Specific classes trump general rules

[Dunnstral]

I think on a murdercat scum flip:
I shoot ircher and eliminate white fire day 3

Thoughts?

[Dunnstral]

Does anyone disagree with my theory that if NDMath is scum true claiming that LLD is likely scum?

Yes

[Dunnstral]

Does anyone disagree with my theory that if NDMath is scum true claiming that LLD is likely scum?

Yes

Why?

Because that doesn't line up with my reads

[Dunnstral]

By the way, I asked if unwnd if it was possible for a role to not have SP. They refused to answer, which is equivalent to saying that it's possible.

So...

I have two abilities. One is passive, one is activated. Neither use SP. I explicitly still have SP and it can be stolen from me, but I had to check with unwnd after the first day to confirm this. (I did this when Arte revealed the SP drain ability)

Are you a combat class?

Farmer is a field class

[Dunnstral]

I will say: if NDMath's claim is true and town alongside Sigmund, scum must have strong powers this game.

There's 6 of them and they have bonus damage on top of their factional kill

[Dunnstral]

Why doesn't it make sense flavor-wise for Farmer to be a field class that just doesn't have sp

Which is different from a combat class that has sp but has no reason to use it

flavor vs mechanics and we're relying too much on mechanics right now at end of day which is worrying

[Dunnstral]

I do not have SP.

As I said, I had to confirm that I had SP with unwnd, so it is possible Math didn't know.

Disagree that you could not know

[Dunnstral]

I do not have SP.

As I said, I had to confirm that I had SP with unwnd, so it is possible Math didn't know.

Disagree that you could not know

actually, you're right

If he got his regeneration blocked, he could have not known

[Dunnstral]

By the way, I asked if unwnd if it was possible for a role to not have SP. They refused to answer, which is equivalent to saying that it's possible.

So...

I have two abilities. One is passive, one is activated. Neither use SP. I explicitly still have SP and it can be stolen from me, but I had to check with unwnd after the first day to confirm this. (I did this when Arte revealed the SP drain ability)

Are you a combat class?

Farmer is a field class

I’m a friendly villager. Pretty sure I’m an npc.

Really?

In that case it sounds like ndmath is lying, yeah

[Dunnstral]

Also having the watcher specifically undated by the universal gating mechanism just seems wrong to me.

So you want to swing this to ndmath or what?

I still think murdercat is a better elimination than ircher

And that White fire should be taken a look at

[Dunnstral]

If we eliminate NDmath, I declare my intent to fire upon Murdercat

[Dunnstral]

I’ve liked ircher more since he voted me. I don’t oppose murderwagon. If ndmathlives the day phase we shouldn’t kill there tonight. I don’t think there’s time in the phase to do anything else.

So where should I shoot if we get Murdercat?

[Dunnstral]

Did we decide earlier in the game whether we should claim when attacked?

No, but I'd expect more people to have claimed attacked anyways

It kinds of feels like there's a low amount of shots going around, lower than expected

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: NDmath

[Dunnstral]

I'd like to hear from murdercat an up to date analysis on his own wagon, who's scum and why

Sure, I'm caught up, I was trying to AtE

[Dunnstral]

Bingle's flavor and an ungated watcher doesn't feel right. I feel the claim has very little credibility now.

[Dunnstral]

Ic doesn't make cop/doc/watcher any more or less likely

[Dunnstral]

Also there were 6 scum and a third party so no I disagree

What coulld be too powerful is the watcher catching a bunch of mafia shooting someone

[Dunnstral]

Ic doesn't make cop/doc/watcher any more or less likely

Actually it could mean watcher is less likely based on how things would play out

[Dunnstral]

So why is this even an issue then

You faked a guilty 12 days ago while a wagon on ndmath was forming, on somebody pushing that wagon

If we go by actions instead of tone I think you and Morph both look pretty bad if ndmath is scum

[Dunnstral]

Spoiler: Anya was...

Ninja -

They hide in shadows and use the art of ninpo, the advanced practice of which can create duplicates.

--
You are

MAFIA

.
Your partners are [PLAYER], [PLAYER], and [PLAYER.], [PLAYER] and [PLAYER]. You share a PT here: {Link}

HP: 4
ATK: 2

Kunai (Innate) [Damaging] - Choose a target. That target will be hit for 2 damage. In addition, if you have a duplicate active you may choose to attack with them instead.

Diversion Gambit (Innate) (1 SP) [Active] - At stratum night, you are allowed to create a duplicate of yourself. This duplicate will be included in the playerlist, so be sure to give it a name. These may be targeted by other players. Every duplicate will have a base of 0 ATK and 1 HP. These do not count towards majority.

Ninpo: Mirage (2 SP) [Active] - Use one of your duplicates to take damage for you.

Ninpo: Swap (3 SP) [Active] - Choose one of your duplicates. You and that duplicate will switch current base stats. Diversion Gambit will not be able to activated under this effect.

I don't think this counters watcher all that much because the factional kill isn't mentioned here for being undetected.

You are right but logically this should affect at least one town ability in some way

[Dunnstral]

I don't see why you couldn't have been bussing anya. I barely remembered the push that i had to iso you to check your claim amd ar tbe end of the day it was LLD who strongarmed the elimination. The argument of "I'm so pro-town i shouldn't be scum-read" is banal af

Who/what is this directed at?

[Dunnstral]

Well of course you would it advances scum wincon

Laughed.






Both of the "options" being presented are townreads and we will only hammer out of avoiding a no-elim.


Town should really not be doing damage of any sort at nights. Scum almost certainly have a way to protect themselves so all you're doing is denying wagon information and shortening the game by removing players early. You're also muddying track/watch/etc waters, heavily. *points at the STD corpse *

Your posts are getting weirder and weirder

[Dunnstral]

I'm playing based upon my heart, not mechspec or setupspec for once.

Calling it "weird" is fine, but the scumteam thought the same thing last time I pulled this out in Xeno.

I don't think your scumreads are developed enough

There's 5 scum left

[Dunnstral]

Titus look back at her interaction with morph when they brought up someone fucked with them N0

What scum plays it like that and makes it so obvious they did the thing lol

Maybe they're both scum

[Dunnstral]

Or I could shoot you again.

As you noted you can't actually do that

[Dunnstral]

Ninja-
I don’t think so, Dunn, that doesn’t look like a S/S reaction abd I feel like Mara would be too proud to let cabd coach her on it

The retraction also came out after White Fire said they had a mech reason to think they were lying

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That is not really a debuff. Has anyone claimed debuffs?

The debuff role thing was also a fake claim

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has anyone claimed to have been debuffed?

No

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It would be in his interest to keep us from discussing shots with him as scum.

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{Dunnstral, White Fire, LLD, Flea, Math}

final guess?

If Math is town look at Chara again?

Personally I feel this reads list is ridiculous

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>Give your new party member a name?

>___________

Mafia

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OK, so...

I think Sigmund is scum

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VOTE: Catboi

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I feel like there may have been some fuckery with the actions stratum 0 with the Sigmund counterclaim but also Sigmund does a bunch of stupid gambity stuff as scum and I don't want to let him get away with it.

remind me of who counterclaimed Sigmund?

By "Sigmund counterclaim" I mean "Sigmund said Murdercat was lying and that he visited him stratum 0"

oh, i see. yes, that came at an awful time.

though the alternative to murdercat was another townflip.

But also he apparently didn't protect anyone

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"You wouldn't happen to be the one who attacked me during the night, would you?"

He lifts his cloak over his left shoulder, revealing a a bloodied set of bandages wrapped around his upper arm.

"It seems there is someone among the group who wishes to silence me."

I didn't attack you, because I plan on eliminating you today instead. I talked about this yesterday.

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so I was roleblocked last night, apparently

or at least that's what "not sucessful" means I think

VOTE: Sigmund

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so I was roleblocked last night, apparently

or at least that's what "not sucessful" means I think

There could be other reasons for your action not being successful, depending on ability

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So.

We are the result of the multiple locks. Stand by.

I'm interested

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We submitted a bodyguard ability on Artemis last night, and the mod failed to process this action. If things had gone exactly as locked in, we'd be dead flipped confirmed town right now, and Mara-timis would be screaming her cop result from the rooftops.

Instead, we have been told that the mod will explicitly confirm this error and that we have permission to make this post, and the game will proceed with that confirmation.

It's the best we can do :/

Sigmund is mafia

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He's not tho.

Why didn't he protect anybody?