Not Quite Normal Multiball (Game Over)

[Vecna]

I'm just glad I finally get to play multiball without a red pm

Bit early to be claiming werewolf already pook. Not a big fan of the entrance

[Vecna]

Kazyan what's your mafia experience like?

Mostly amogus, followed by:

Game 1: Roll 3-shot Vigilante. Misuse the power the whole game; lose.
Game 2: VT. Get killed on night 1 after defending scum; rest of the town is badass and nails the two scum back-to-back.
Game 3: Mafia Goon. Get super lucky by shooting the only PR on day 1 and then having another townie fakeclaim on Day 2. Win.
Game 4: VT in Dogs. Vs Cats multiball. Drop out partway through the game after hammering a Miller. Generally fail to and get widely scumread, except for side-eyeing Pooky (who was scum) the whole time, which goes nowhere.
Game 5: You're looking at it.

Did you catch someone mistaking the thread for the scum PT? If not, why the earlier observation.

Was it a genuine question?

[Vecna]

T3 has requested replacement.

lol VOTE: T3

[Vecna]

I 100% think T3 is town here and that people are reading into posts too much.
~Ircher

100% is a large amount of certainty....

[Vecna]

But i mean

The zebra cat should defintely always townread us here!

-zeus

I like Zeus. I wanna be friends.

The cat is also ok.

Titus feels very literal. Surprising absolutely no one. Still, odd vibes. Oddly strong stance taken by the other head. Weird level of inquisitiveness into all matters replacement boyo.

[Vecna]

I did in fact receive a town role pm

Cool, fullclaim then.

I have reason to believe we have a police force.

I may or may not have more information about specifics and people. But youre gonna have to tickle it out of me.

[Vecna]

like manatee, I haven't seen someone hedge so much on an apparent scum slip before now

it reads like you're trying to give T3 an out, he takes the out, and then you're just like ah well I can't be blamed for this if it flips town

Really like the reasoning in this post too. Towny thought patterns on both the titus/ircher defense and here.

[Vecna]

I want to wait on Dannflor to be done catching up before engaging him. He obviously hasn't seen why I am defending T3.

T3's play is odd here but that's just T3.

~Titus

So why wouldnt he be odd as mafia as well?

how is it 100% town?

[Vecna]

okay thanks titus, that makes more sense

I'm pretty much caught up now btw - if everyone who ran away when I replaced in wants to come back

Can you talk to me about morph, echo, and kazyan?

Ircher and I are ok with your FoS on Manatee for now.

~Titus

Hmmm, this level of authoritative is giving some town pringles though

[Vecna]

oh my lord T3 what on earth

This kinda reads like someone who didn't know what they were walking into, which is hard to believe if the game waa reas before rapping in


ZEUS FOUND A MENTAL DISCREPANCY

this was specifically my response to reading the "townie" role pm if that helps

which was about the last thing I expected to read

this is also quite performative though, right after making statements about other people (kazyan) performting too much?

[Vecna]

Don’t make me vote you ...

Are you threatening the god of THUNDER

i mean, outside of all that your reaction is as boring as bright clear skies so how about we shake you up some

-zeus

It's hard for me to reply at work so I left this until I was home but honestly a slip is... boring to me? Like, there's two options:

Scum!T3 is dumb as bricks and managed to slip somehow despite it being a feat.
Town!T3 is dumb as bricks and managed to bungle up that badly to the point that he apparently left? (I haven't read up but I saw this post before I closed my phone).

It's not very dynamic play for me really so like, beyond the initial funny moment of "haha scumslip xd" it's kind of like... oh well. I don't have a lot more to say to it beyond voting it because it's a mess that he made we have to deal with.

what about option 3:
wolf t3 didn't slip but made a really bad joke and then didn't know how to handle the negative press he recieved for his statement

also the ragequit looks like it's bc he's annoyed his fakeclaim was seen through for reasons outside of his control

Not the greatest vibes from this slot.

[Vecna]

[unwnd]
[lukewarm, echo, kazyan, celestial?]
[morph the cat, resistance]
[manatee, uncle shelby]
[..., ...]

this is about where I'm at at the moment

I have to go be productive for a while, be back this evening if I'm not dead

I still think you're scum, but this post makes me doubt myself, because making a readslist is a very non-scummy thing to do right now. Scum would be in full-tilt damage control mode.

Making reads-lists often is a damage control scum-thing to do.

Not saying thats whats happening here, but this line of reasoning should not be a thing.

[Vecna]

but this post makes me doubt myself, because making a readslist is a very non-scummy thing to do right now. Scum would be in full-tilt damage control mode.

curious why making a reads list doesn't fit into full-tilt damage control mode

or rather what is your definition of what I "would be doing"

Still not sure why it took me so long to get to the mental cognition to match that this picture/profile thing is actually the replacement for wagoned entity.

*whack-whack-whack* wake up brain

[Vecna]

your role pm is so red that you couldn't restrain yourself with the joker wolf post and now you come up with a taco that's been left to go off for weeks

What does this even mean?

Edging closer towards this just being adorable and inexperienced, rather than using it as a scum cover.

Anya's attack is also very easy and recognisant of that fact (easy target n all).

[Vecna]

wait what the fuck we're on page 14

i was about to roast dann for having a readslist this early but we aint early.. im just late LMAO

some answers to any questions I may receive:

Will I be reading what happened on pages 1-13? - Probably not.

Will I do so if you ask me? - Probably not.

Hope that makes stuff clear.

Boisterous chap that I will undoubtedly clash a lot with this game: detected

[Vecna]

VOTE: Kazyan

your role pm is so red that you couldn't restrain yourself with the joker wolf post and now you come up with a taco that's been left to go off for weeks

dann's clearly putting in effort to survive if he's a wolf a read list isn't towny or wolfy

wait so is ur vote based off of Kayzans response to dann's readlist? cos it may be a not very good take but I don't quite know how you would read it as scummy

Ok I take that back. I think im gonna like this chap

[Vecna]

VOTE: Kazyan

your role pm is so red that you couldn't restrain yourself with the joker wolf post and now you come up with a taco that's been left to go off for weeks

dann's clearly putting in effort to survive if he's a wolf a read list isn't towny or wolfy

wait so is ur vote based off of Kayzans response to dann's readlist? cos it may be a not very good take but I don't quite know how you would read it as scummy

Different chap

facepalm

[Vecna]

VOTE: Kazyan

your role pm is so red that you couldn't restrain yourself with the joker wolf post and now you come up with a taco that's been left to go off for weeks

dann's clearly putting in effort to survive if he's a wolf a read list isn't towny or wolfy

I like this post.

~Titus

Really?

So surface-level easy of a reason to vote. The green drips off the slot. Why dont you care that that isnt taken into account at all?

Its measurable just by looking at it.

[Vecna]

Dann replaced T3?

I want one or two people to unequivocally trust and so far this game has not produced that. This tells me scumteam 1 and 2 isn't filled with dopes as much as I'd like

Other people being confused by the replaced person. Scum would most likely get their info right.

[Vecna]

I'm just glad I finally get to play multiball without a red pm

Bit early to be claiming werewolf already pook. Not a big fan of the entrance

ill be honest i had no idea werewolves didnt have a red pm until you posted this rofl

Sure dove

[Vecna]

I'm just hedging

post game I can point at it and be like yea im good if im right

if im wrong ill just pretend it was a joke

#highlvlplay

nice

[Vecna]

Anyways, I think we should try to kill the werewolves. Feel free to bus me early because I'll bus you all. The miller claim is an inside joke but I can always say it's serious later. I might rolecop unwnd because of the soft?

I don't think T3 slipped here, I think that this was a poorly thought out form of humor. With that being said, I don't think this is towny, nor should we allow people to claim malefactor.

VOTE: T3

Everyone above me is town!

i hardclaim malefactor actually

This is also a particularly poor post. One that we would be pressuring more if it weren't for T3 being a bigger target.

So, like, at least in the Newbie queue, it's harder to slip because the scum PT is in an obvious soft purple color instead of the main thread's black background. Is it the same for grown-up Mafia, or is that just how PTs work?

I'm getting a bad feeling from this post. It seems to be trying to be self-clearing and this doesn't fit the personality that they showed with their first few posts. I'd go as far to say that this post is more likely to come from non-town than from actual town.

Kazyan what's your mafia experience like?

Mostly amogus, followed by:

Game 1: Roll 3-shot Vigilante. Misuse the power the whole game; lose.
Game 2: VT. Get killed on night 1 after defending scum; rest of the town is badass and nails the two scum back-to-back.
Game 3: Mafia Goon. Get super lucky by shooting the only PR on day 1 and then having another townie fakeclaim on Day 2. Win.
Game 4: VT in Dogs. Vs Cats multiball. Drop out partway through the game after hammering a Miller. Generally fail to and get widely scumread, except for side-eyeing Pooky (who was scum) the whole time, which goes nowhere.
Game 5: You're looking at it.

You've been in a dead pt before. You should know what color private pts are. Also doesn't make sense that you'd think they would be a different color outside of the newbie queue.

Reads so far:

[Morph the Cat]
[Null]
[petapan]
[Kazyan, T3]

boring takes though. not a fan

[Vecna]

If you guys somehow talk yourself into eliminating me instead of Dann, town just deserves to lose; idk what to say

Why are you so fearful of being eliminated with like one vote and a FoS (from my other head) on you? Why the AtE?

~Titus

Because I'm in disbelief that Dann is on the verge of getting away with this and how the obligatory Day 1 argument about me is happening again

he is not on the verge of getting away with it

this is town tho

petapan also protecting the newby. good vibes.

[Vecna]

I want to wait on Dannflor to be done catching up before engaging him. He obviously hasn't seen why I am defending T3.

T3's play is odd here but that's just T3.

~Titus

So why wouldnt he be odd as mafia as well?

how is it 100% town?

T3 is odd in a different way as scum. He's less jovial and attempts less to be funny. That's the best way I know how to explain.

~Titus

But are you really an expert of reading people in that manner?

Youre more about the discernable. Facts, observations.

Why make a 100% assertion based on early game behavior?

[Vecna]

Kazyan's AtE is particularly loathsome but most likely town

lol, I love this

[Vecna]

The more I see morph in top townreads the more their equity actually rises

equity in what direction? You feel they charm their way into more pants as scum?

[Vecna]

VOTE: Kazyan

your role pm is so red that you couldn't restrain yourself with the joker wolf post and now you come up with a taco that's been left to go off for weeks

dann's clearly putting in effort to survive if he's a wolf a read list isn't towny or wolfy

I like this post.

~Titus

Really?

So surface-level easy of a reason to vote. The green drips off the slot. Why dont you care that that isnt taken into account at all?

Its measurable just by looking at it.

I disagree with Kazyan dripping green. At a minimum, he's a survivalist which isn't townie. I can't remember their contributions either. While anya has a jokey tone, it doesn't bother me at all since it's day one and reads aren't going to be omg perfect. It's ok to have fun.

~Titus

Yeah, im just gonna disagree and leave it at that (also, fun does not absolve of bad intent)

[Vecna]

@uncle shelby I have full claimed

re: Kazyan

I would not be so quick to write off his AtE (however mild) as towny. I think #120 showcases that Kazyan is fairly intelligently concerned about his image (whether town or scum) and how people are reading him. I don't think his jump to "oh no dann is going to get away with it" is necessarily a fully genuine reaction. and based off my (albeit sample size of 1) experience with him, he's a lot more strategically minded than I think his posts this game let on

I don't think his reaction extreme reaction compared to the fact that I'm actually gaining votes?? is at all genuine and is instead designed to be towny

I do agree that 120 is the only chink in an overall pretty towny appearance

[Vecna]

no guys I'm literally a vanilla townie I have i not made that clear to everyone by now

See, this is the type of trap I was sort of waiting for to slam shut on someone's face.

At two places in the OP, it is sort of implied there might not be VT's whatsoever. Then the sample VT role pm does not any flavor.

The discernable reader might figure out whether this game has vanilla towns or not

Strike against you.

[Vecna]

Holy fuck 20 pages

Hello everyone I am Whemey aka your favorite little pog champ! I can’t wait to have a blast this game!

I recognize some faces here so that’s fun!

I’m Miller bitches

This also just shot up really high on my list of potential bubble gum bandits

[Vecna]

I think I have some vague recollection of maybe playing with this Cabd individual, but I have no actual memories that have stuck.

I guess I should sleep on it.

[Vecna]

no guys I'm literally a vanilla townie I have i not made that clear to everyone by now

See, this is the type of trap I was sort of waiting for to slam shut on someone's face.

At two places in the OP, it is sort of implied there might not be VT's whatsoever. Then the sample VT role pm does not any flavor.

The discernable reader might figure out whether this game has vanilla towns or not

Strike against you.

I recommend that nobody else hints that they are anything other than a vanilla townie like what is happening here. Even if you think this game doesn't have any.

You realize that both the VT and non-VT role pm's are in the OP, right?

[Vecna]

someone talk to me

you're not saying much to respond to

I feel like ive said quite a lot to you as well, but have not had a lot of reactions.

It might not have been questions, but id like to point to my vote still being on you.

How do you plan to remedy that?

[Vecna]

I think I have some vague recollection of maybe playing with this Cabd individual, but I have no actual memories that have stuck.

I guess I should sleep on it.

Maplewood, that really creepy rapeflavor game where voting people wasn't enough to ACTUALLY flip them for whatever reason.

I think im slowly starting to remember your avi from that game, but im not sure if I have any tangeable memories of your playstyle.

[Vecna]

im not fully convinced of that. In fact, id be lying if I stated id believe the odds to much better than, say 52%.

[Vecna]

someone talk to me

you're not saying much to respond to

I feel like ive said quite a lot to you as well, but have not had a lot of reactions.

It might not have been questions, but id like to point to my vote still being on you.

How do you plan to remedy that?

I don't really care

Do you believe Titus characterization of the T3 slot to be correct?

If youre town, are you being white knighted?

[Vecna]

im also feeling it. Trying to take on the biggest bad in the prison yard

[Vecna]

For what its worth, i really dont think theTitus slot would white-knight you there as non-town after giving it some more though. Not in a multi-ball setup. Not in the stubborn way they presented it.

Present a believeable case a teammate, maybe.

Being wrong (or correct) as town, much more likely

[Vecna]

VOTE: Whemestar

And with that, I bid thee goodnight

[Vecna]

Manatee seems very much obv-town to me

[Vecna]

By the way there's literally fresh off the presses meta of how scum-me approaches town fakeclaiming PR to compare and contrast you lazy fucks~

Sounds like youre slightly frustrated that your volumes of work put in to 180 from that is being ignored

[Vecna]

whemestars defence of T3 is tmi I think

While I agree somewhat, TMI is also a funny thing in MB.

Id frame it more as in "knows what is expected of town-wheme and tries desperately to achieve that but is overdoing it"

[Vecna]

it is in fact best practice in a large to just eliminate the claimed VT

Your slot claimed loyal babysitter and then threw a tantrum when they perceived their claim as being dismantled.

Hey want to know a secret?

Not really. I very much doubt my mind will be changed on this point. Dannflor has to go, preferably sooner rather than later.

I don't care if people want to extend the day to talk a bit more, but people voting elsewhere and starting other wagons are concerning.

Why is that concerning?

I dont think you've made a strong enough argument for scum Dann to be stating that. Like at all.

[Vecna]

whemestars defence of T3 is tmi I think

I would certainly pick whemestar as the white knight over Titus

Just thought of something else. White knighting in MB is also kinda nice, to reduce chances of getting shot if the slot being preferentially treated is actually the other shade of red.

hmmm

[Vecna]

T3’s play is not wary scum

And you think competent players would display high levels of dismay after replacing into a wagoned slot?

Why not just try to brush it off and act cool?

[Vecna]

I dislike that I want to townread you for that post

Aw c'mon, what's wrong with townreading me? I'm just a little guy... just a little guy and it's my birthday I'm a little birthday boy too... you can townread me.

Jee Echolocation, you have such a strange fixiation with knives

What's that one behind your back?

It's to cut my birthday cake. (:

Bit of a strange interaction...

[Vecna]

Also, Luke, you're not used to the "Morph finds a new shiny and decides to polish it" thing and we get that, but we're not gonna stop.

More to the point, you're used to both heads of this hydra but NOT the combined mindmeld shit that happens when we keep our arms and legs inside the zebra at all times while the ride is in motion.

I felt like me and ffery were able to find each other pretty nicely in the Guardians of the Galaxy game to the point that it felt like we were almost a masonry (even with out own chats in spoiler tags). But the progression we had to get there felt genuine, and my immediate reaction is that your collective opening interactions with me this game felt different from that one, and closer to your (Cabd's) opening interactions with me on that Newbie game.

I am not locking you guys as scum, I am just wary of you right now.

First post of Luke I can actually remember having a reaction to, but this feels like a pretty genuine "how I feel" type of a post.

Unlikely to come from scum

[Vecna]

oh nice, I have stuff to look forward to in my catchup?

[Vecna]

We've got both heads on board for this post, we've talked a bit and have some new takes to share. As a reminder, so far it's only been Yumeko posting, this is a joint-effort post where I've given Mary a run-down of what's been happening and they've lightly skimmed some recent content.

Yumeko thinks the game has progressed too fast to where it would usually be hard to get reads, but thinks that, surprisingly, there is still a lot to gleam from this day phase, even though usually this would be a situation where there wouldn't be much to go off of due to an elimination being decided so early.
Mary thinks that townreads are being tossed out too easily considering the game has been mostly centered around scumreads, and believes that tomorrow will be a lot more informative than today can be based on who people push.
Mary reads that are in addition to Yumeko's: Unwnd as towny, Echolocation as slight towny. She thinks that Unwnd feels too comfortable to be mafia right now, and doesn't have much experience with Echolocation to back up the read.
Mary thinks that Luke's recent take, which he essentially says: Morph is not town because he (luke) isn't townreading them yet - is very questionable.

Spoiler: gif

Okay, I've given myself time to cool off from my Day 1 rage. Sorry about that, folks. ISO skims and subsequent readslist are coming soon.

We are confused as to what you are talking about.

mary has many many takes I do not like

[Vecna]

unless you are specifically of the belief that T3 is werewolf you're ignoring what I've said

Im also very confused about what your actual argument is...

[Vecna]

Townlean

:
unwnd (feels like previous multiball instead of Mini Normal 2187)
Pooky (behavior feels more 'open' like in the newbie Mars game I had with him instead of the last multiball)
Kakeguri Addicts (tries to figure out how others think instead of just push an agenda)
kdowns (+town for noticing how pooky is acting, -town for claiming miller, but I want to believe)
Lukewarm (gut read; something about his communication style and comparisons to previous events)

Null

:
ManateeDude (Doesn't look like a pocketing attempt? Takes are weird but ok.)

not enough impression to distinguish these people yet

:
Everyone else

I'm Particularly Confused About

:
morph the cat
Vaxkiller (acting scummy, but I have Opinions)
Whemestar (I can't tell if this is bad-take town or bad-take scum)

Scumlean

:
Celestial Powerhouse (gut read)
The Resistance (weird pattern of questioning about things that don't really matter)
VFP (pls post)

Wow such scum

:
Dannflor

While I dont particularly agree on the outcomes, the reasoning seems pretty unfaked? It even hints at actual note-taking.

[Vecna]

I like Kakeguri a lot. I'm slightly wary because I have no idea who the Yumeko head is, but I just really like their content so far.

hmmmm

[Vecna]

just realized that based on the setup info ceph absolutely could have created a werewolf miller that is mafia-aligned, lmao

guess i have to actually read the miller claims on play, that's so annoying though

Weirdly over-informed somehow?

[Vecna]

unwnd
Kazyan

lukewarm
taco hemingway
the resistance (kinda shocked this ended up here)
pooky
Vecna
manateegal
uncle shelby
morph
VFP
kdowns
vaxkiller
kakegurui addicts

WhemeStar
Reiuji Utsuho
celestial powerhouse

Echolocation
Anya
T3

Since you seem to have a lot of similar thoughts, let me throw some random questions; Why pooky there? Why celestial so low? Are vax/reiuji/echo based on inactivity or content?

[Vecna]

Vecna/Kazyan aren't the same people but still remain in the same grouping to me. Vecna's words were very passionless and didn't resonate with me at all. Makes you wonder why he even bothered. There's fervor with Kaz but I don't think they've grasped on what they want to do.

Ouch

[Vecna]

I dont think its a set-in-stone elimination whatsoever.

I should probably reread all the T3 shit with some more attention.

So your reasoning is that T3 used their mod-provided fakeclaim and got upset when people called bullshit instead of accepting it as canon?

(also, stop dying website)

[Vecna]

We've got both heads on board for this post, we've talked a bit and have some new takes to share. As a reminder, so far it's only been Yumeko posting, this is a joint-effort post where I've given Mary a run-down of what's been happening and they've lightly skimmed some recent content.

Yumeko thinks the game has progressed too fast to where it would usually be hard to get reads, but thinks that, surprisingly, there is still a lot to gleam from this day phase, even though usually this would be a situation where there wouldn't be much to go off of due to an elimination being decided so early.
Mary thinks that townreads are being tossed out too easily considering the game has been mostly centered around scumreads, and believes that tomorrow will be a lot more informative than today can be based on who people push.
Mary reads that are in addition to Yumeko's: Unwnd as towny, Echolocation as slight towny. She thinks that Unwnd feels too comfortable to be mafia right now, and doesn't have much experience with Echolocation to back up the read.
Mary thinks that Luke's recent take, which he essentially says: Morph is not town because he (luke) isn't townreading them yet - is very questionable.

Spoiler: gif

Okay, I've given myself time to cool off from my Day 1 rage. Sorry about that, folks. ISO skims and subsequent readslist are coming soon.

We are confused as to what you are talking about.

mary has many many takes I do not like

Such as?

The too many townreading one, that the game has centered around scumreads, and the luke take being questionable.

Also, why make mention of echo and then state they have no experience to back it up?

[Vecna]

imagine trying to pretend to be the malefactor to avoid the nightkill

wild

I have not read this game beyond the early game and then some skimming.

If you ever have had a game to scumread me unwnd, this is it.

Ok I scumread you what happens next

Push me and wagon me.

I really hope this is going somewhere pooky. You raised all these anticipationary (is that a word?) feelings, but im still completely flacid at this point

[Vecna]

I don't even know who I am anymore

So disassociated from this life

All I see is the wool pulled over my eyes...

Unwnd you have a PROBLEM AND I AM TRYING TO HELP YOU.

THIS IS ME SCUM CLAIMING TO YOU.

I AM SCREAMING IT FROM THE ROOFTOP.

wtf is this shit....what is the point

[Vecna]

I didn't know I needed this drama in my life but now it's here and I can't look away.

If Echo is somehow scum and doing this, it feels a lot more like youre aware of something odd that is happening pooks. Gloating in some weird way that he does this much dumb shit and noone bats an eye.

[Vecna]

man fck u morph

i am willing to vote t3 slot now

lolwut

[Vecna]

pooky is scum I'm pretty sure by the way. if pooky were town, he would've talked a lot more to us.

we are anon but that doesn't stop him in any universe I dont think

-Mister Ocean

That doesn't make sense, and is a weak read at best (*not that I necessarily disagree).

Pooky would engage us more here I think. We are a overall, universal scum read from the reads lists/posts that I've seen(peta, morph?, ka-something, and a vote from t3?)
I think pooky would not agree with that read/would be curious about it because that is his personality.
he would then test us in his fun playful reads but I dont see that here.

-Mister Ocean

I don't object to scumreads of you right now.

I was put off by your post stating that scumreading you would be a scumclaim, or however you put it.

Is that meta-based or if it's purely this-game-based.

I specifically said it was a scum claim for morph(you) and pooky.
I expect better reads from you and I dont think that is unreasonable given your track record.
I said that scum reading us was a scum claim but what I meant was scum reading for long periods of time. I dont expect either to be perfect. this is a game. every player has highs and lows both in games and throughout all their games. however, a scum read that stays from either you or pooky I do believe is a scum claim/werewolf claim.

pooky specifically is someone that is very sensitive to emotions in posts. he is very sensitive to lies and how people are reacting. he loves to playfully test people and is curious like no other player on mafiascum. I believe that he, if town, would be interested in testing us because of how fast we picked up scum reads. and as a scum read that isnt the main scum read, that should add to his curiosity in my opinion because often times scum is in the people that get heat but never get run up. that should pique his interest I think. one could say we have lurked and stayed away from most of the discussion on scummy players. what is there not to be curious about about us?

as for you, your track record tells me that you shouldn't scum read us for long lengths of time because we are town, have no agenda, and are somewhat actively trying to contribute to discussions that are moving this game forward.

-Mister Ocean

Why are you completely spilling the beans on a self-proclaimed read that only works after prolonged exposure?

"here guys, have the playbook to how I will townread you" seems like such a weird post. Especially since you havent gleaned any meaningfull information from it

[Vecna]

I am hirsute.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ia/RolePMs
#49

This seems to check out. Why'd you leave out the "Townie" at the end when claiming your role? It seems to be called Hirsute Townie, whereas Miller is just Miller.

This makes me suspect that perhaps your role said "Hirsute Mafia" and you assumed that it was like the miller and you only claimed the first part.

With how people have started theorizing (tmi) about mafia millers, and now this claim, and the original start post claiming how we shouldnt make assumptions...... this just starts to feel like a setup where the multiball teams both mightve gotten these modifiers to fuck with em or town in general.

[Vecna]

Hey merman!

Im gonna give this to you!

VOTE: pooky

-zman

spicy

[Vecna]

Fun fact!

I feel like pooky is up playing their trolly nature to have a reason to coast through. Its the same play they did in another multiball game, csn i get a BOOM SHAKA BOOM

Much better. Also yes

[Vecna]

"sorry but you cannot use search at this moment. try again later"

eh, what?

[Vecna]

Kakegari, was T3 correct that MariaR is a majority poster in your hydra?

[Vecna]

The game-state where the elimination is functionally already decided and people are only holding off on the elimination in order to let other people post.

Or do you disagree that this is what happened?

I disagree about your conclusion.

OK.

I think that players who show evidence that they're not critically considering information, but are instead glossing over things, are more likely than average (generally 1 in 4.25) to be non-town.
This is because players who are not thinking critically are instead either blending in and don't want to make the effort to consider everything, or they're demotivated (possibly and often due to alignment, and usually of the non-town variety), they simply don't understand, or they're simply lazy.

From my point of view, it's easy for an anti-town player to see that the game hasn't eliminated Dannflor yet and assume that we're still sort of in an rvs phase of the game (237). Or to come up with opinion that don't really make sense to somebody who understands that Dannflor needs to go today (619, 624, 662). Or to still think that Dannflor is being voted because T3 "slipped" (292, 656, most posts made by The Resistance).

In that case, why did you not apply this logic to me as well? was this written by the non-mariaR head?

Did MariaR mention me when you were discussing too many easy townreads being tossed around?

[Vecna]

I....have a theory

[Vecna]

gonna stew on it some more though, and observe for a bit more

remind me later

[Vecna]

My argumentative side really wants to keep arguing here, but I dont really have a great angle.

[Vecna]

Time for fluff

40 pages in less than 24h and Mastina hasnt even arrived yet.

[Vecna]

I dont think pressure on Ythan to elaborate is wise, subtle as it may be

[Vecna]

Im having very strong deja vu of this tunnel that youre in and the way youre playing it and shading everyone that disagrees with your interpretation of those few posts made by T3

[Vecna]

I forgot what the name were of the quiet person that used to do it, but they were always lurking, then once upon a time as scum they just death tunneled someone all game long with such conviction that everyone started townreading em over it.

A while ago now, and its done with bigger words here and slightly more confidence, but boy does it still feel similar.

[Vecna]

I am hirsute.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ia/RolePMs
#49

This seems to check out. Why'd you leave out the "Townie" at the end when claiming your role? It seems to be called Hirsute Townie, whereas Miller is just Miller.

This makes me suspect that perhaps your role said "Hirsute Mafia" and you assumed that it was like the miller and you only claimed the first part.

With how people have started theorizing (tmi) about mafia millers, and now this claim, and the original start post claiming how we shouldnt make assumptions...... this just starts to feel like a setup where the multiball teams both mightve gotten these modifiers to fuck with em or town in general.

This setup was created in part using a random element. If you find yourself thinking the mod would never make some particular role town or scum, you are probably wrong. This game may have the potential to ignore common setup design maxims. For example, if I rolled a neighborhood composed entirely of members of the same scumteam, I would not have a problem with that, given that I have now warned you about the possibility.

the tmi of reading the rules

Also, that wasnt my point. That rules post was exactly the one I was talking about in the post you were quoting.

Theres this feeling in the air of SvS hunting going on, and I bet some people are using their own factions role pm to flush out their counterpart-twin.

[Vecna]

On my end, I think that the deity roleplay takes up too much of their persona and that they sometimes fail to deliver content in lieu of roleplaying.

Damn, someone finally said it out loud.

...Theyre not even roleplaying?

Theyre just signing with an alias. What type of ocean or god-of-death themed talk have you actually seen from their slot?

[Vecna]

Hey Mastina. Id catch you up, except I also just woke up to 37 new pages after waking up.

One the key moments is probably the T3 replace out. Reading that iso will be easy. Loads of stumbling about on that wagon. Dann did an ok replace-in. A certain player death-tunneling it (which is probably alignment indicative in some way).

Loads of towny people otherwise. Id give you my rundown, except id rather first catch up anyway. And not that many people agree regardless.

[Vecna]

Spiffeh is in this game now?

[Vecna]

Anyways, both scum factions apparently/probably have a miller. Not sure how that works in a world of random setup, but the way interactions have gone I strongly have the feeling theres TMI going on in how those roles are structured.

[Vecna]

They really need to implement a direct link to a players iso in the activity overview. How the fuck does that button not exist there

[Vecna]

wait, what. im a freaking idiot. All these years I didnt know

[Vecna]

Now, read Kakeguri addicts' iso. See the death tunnel by the vocal head. The unwillingness to read anything Dann has produced.

Remind you of a certain player/playstyle and a link to an alignment?

As soon as I started poking at this slot (generally townread for some reason) I got shaded and then appeased with weak reasons for a townread.

[Vecna]

(Also, not a big fan of your "scum will kill it take". Thats never going to happen and even without reading I think you know that)

[Vecna]

Yumi, what was your chain of accounts that you played on here?

Like, the one you'd have been active on a year or so ago. Maybe 1.5 years.

I need to run some internal logic checks

[Vecna]

dont tell me mastina already ran off

[Vecna]

Do you know me? Because im pretty sure we've played quite a bit together while you were on not that account

[Vecna]

Yeah just found that as well. Cant find the actual game I had in my mind that this is deja-vu'ing me towards.

oh well

[Vecna]

I feel like we all need to petition the hydra to change their sig to spell poseidon correctly

[Vecna]

Yeah, 2373 makes me totally unwilling to kill Dann today.

Very far behind in the thread. Did some MDMA last night for the first time. was pretty great. still feeling weird but in a good way

[Vecna]

Kinda cool the VC makes it seem like I have 2 votes

[Vecna]

I think you guys need to adhere to the Vecna posting quantity as the golden standard. If you go above it too much, you get civ mafia, which is 750 pages of brilliance. It still made people sad, because they couldve instead read like, the old testament and received proper enlighenment or some shit.

[Vecna]

hello

[Vecna]

I really need some town buddies to sync up with. The pace of this game is too fast and my schedule is too socially loaded.

Im a bit bummed why there is so little attention for a Whemstar Wagon or a Kakeguri wagon.

Someone dissuade me with some good arguments.

[Vecna]

You just stated you think VFX is scum titus/Ircher? Any particular reason? Ive gotten very little from that slot but it seems very much preferable to a Dann wagon atm to me.

[Vecna]

im in my happy drunk space atm and totally do not feel like fighting anyone. hurray.

Mindmeld time anyone?

[Vecna]

#break-free-from-the-monologue

hug it out

[Vecna]

I think its probably very hard to read Manatee atm. there were some posts of her that really spoke to me. I remember feeling that way. I do not remember what they were. Im pretty sure Its probably documented in my iso in some form.

My gut is usually pretty good.

Is there something damnit in the last ~60 pages on her? Id like to look at some pov's.

[Vecna]

im in my happy drunk space atm and totally do not feel like fighting anyone. hurray.

Mindmeld time anyone?

Hi. Convince me you're not werewolf with manatee and also read on her?

Also, Id think Titus would object based on VCA to your logic.

Strong reasoning. Feel the flow.

[Vecna]

Titus, Morph is leading the Manatee charge. Morph's case is...

fine

, I guess, but Manatee's reactions to the suspicion coming on to them seemed scummy to me, in case you wanted to look back at it yourself:

Morph iso starting with their case wall: viewtopic.php?p=12895508&user_select%5B ... #p12895508

Manatee's iso, starting with their response: viewtopic.php?p=12895616&user_select%5B ... #p12895616

This is broke. Can you tell me what post to read from?

Link works for me.

Case from morph is post 2174

@Vecna

Interesting bit of information.

First response:

-Generally speaking, id be expecting the actual wolf in that neighbourhood to be MUCH MORE inclined to focus heavily on "finding the wolf". Manatee hasnt actually done that, has she? Id be expecting a wolf to be much more keen to be looking like theyre hunting for that wolf, because that is to be expected.
-Given the mod information, going purely by statistics, its much much more likely the hood is a masonry than it actually containing a wolf.
-Did anyone actually look into the meta comparison? Compare emoticon useage? Any response from Manatee?

Ill maybe look into it tomorrow, but on first sight this really doesnt feel like a great reason to kill Manatee. Im probably biased because Ive had a slight townread on the slot, and because im being lumped together with it.

[Vecna]

I think the day being between Dannflor (regardless of my read) and Manatee is probably the best outcome. Ythan's campaigning is what it is, but if I'm right on Dann then the opposition should show something. If wrong? Then my tinfoil on certain players goes up.

Is your desire for a Manatee wagon based on Morphs read, or do you have individual reasoning?

[Vecna]

Ah, I see, I think I get what you mean

[Vecna]

I like you Manatee. I dont know why, but I want you to be happy.

[Vecna]

Be well. im going to sleep now

[Vecna]

manatee's last reads list is interesting

for potential werewolf partners I immediately go to her two secondary town read tiers which include: anya, unwnd, taco, morph, kazyan, celestial, petapan, addicts

one pattern in her reads list is that she does a lot of "I think x because Y but they should probably be higher/lower. like she was constantly giving herself wiggle room on all of her reads. my eyebrow is raised a little at the taco and kazyan town reads a little because she had fairly specific reasons for town reading each of them (versus other reads of being like "can't quite remember but generally good stances) and then immediately undercut herself by saying that maybe they belonged a little lower

good post!!!!!!!!!!!!!
take out a couple names and it looks pretty good
Anya, taco, or Kazyan.

-Mister Ocean

With how this game has been going so far, you should probably cross-reference it to my townreads and just nuke any matches.

[Vecna]

If Werewolves wanted to shoot town, and didn't want to double up on Morph, they had a target.

Unless morphs read was wrong on whoever #3 is.

Regardless, pretty random kill. Potentially aimed to make pooky or unwind look dodgy?

[Vecna]

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

[Vecna]

Guess thats already L1

[Vecna]

*insert over the top gasp*

[Vecna]

manatee's last reads list is interesting

for potential werewolf partners I immediately go to her two secondary town read tiers which include: anya, unwnd, taco, morph, kazyan, celestial, petapan, addicts

one pattern in her reads list is that she does a lot of "I think x because Y but they should probably be higher/lower. like she was constantly giving herself wiggle room on all of her reads. my eyebrow is raised a little at the taco and kazyan town reads a little because she had fairly specific reasons for town reading each of them (versus other reads of being like "can't quite remember but generally good stances) and then immediately undercut herself by saying that maybe they belonged a little lower

good post!!!!!!!!!!!!!
take out a couple names and it looks pretty good
Anya, taco, or Kazyan.

-Mister Ocean

With how this game has been going so far, you should probably cross-reference it to my townreads and just nuke any matches.

oh sorry about that. i forgot that you were a werewolf. oopsies

-Mister Ocean

[Vecna]

UNVOTE: CheekyTeeky

I dont want Celestial Powerhouse to hammer unless they townread me

[Vecna]

VOTE: CheeckyTeeky

See, that wasnt that hard.

You can thank me after the game is won

[Vecna]

but for real, I want the reveal before I go to bed. its 2:21 am here. Hurry up and hammer this shit

[Vecna]

but for real, I want the reveal before I go to bed. its 2:21 am here. Hurry up and hammer this shit

heh pooky gets it

UNVOTE: CheekyTeeky

[Vecna]

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

No hammer 4 u

[Vecna]

no I did. Amateur

[Vecna]

Mod bias

[Vecna]

I actually think Mastina is a wolf for shamelessly copying my Kakegari read and being so fascinated by the mafia NK reasoning

[Vecna]

Also wolves taking a shot at Echolocation of all people sort of points towards them being totally cool with all reads Morph had. If there were wolves in there, why not fire in his buddy block to have any chance left

[Vecna]

ftr I don't really think vecna is a wolf

Let the kids have their dreams

[Vecna]

VOTE: DGB

Before my bedtime too?

[Vecna]

it would be hilarious if a wolf unwnd actually shot mafia echo after all that cock-jousting

[Vecna]

or rather keep it at e-2 we aren't rushing elims

fuck this noise.

I demand instant gratification. MOAR

[Vecna]

do you even have a good reason not to just rush kill my cat's kill list cuz my cat ain't missed yet

He missed on at least one, but ill talk myself out of it. Concern for later.

Maybe I should just out some pr results and eat a bullet or a claw or w/e

[Vecna]

Also wolves taking a shot at Echolocation of all people sort of points towards them being totally cool with all reads Morph had. If there were wolves in there, why not fire in his buddy block to have any chance left

lol nice one. wolf representative here trying to uncover the hidden meaning behind a horrible shot
aaaaahhhhh what to do? we need to fix this no one is realizing that we're trying to say morph is wrong ahhhhhhhh

-Mister Ocean

I have no problem following all his other reads

[Vecna]

VOTE: anya
after some thought I'm gonna dump vote here. goodnight.

i think this is the first person that taco has voted this isnt blatantly town and also probably not town.
anya is a great vig target. vigs take notes now.

-Mister Ocean

Taking more chances to be wolf-piled again:

I think Taco is blatantly town here. I dont get the suspicion at all there. Annoyance, maybe.

I also think you secretly dont scumread me at all here.

[Vecna]

I counted the

words

in Vaxkiller's iso.

THERE ARE

FIFTY EIGHT

WORDS

TOTAL.

Interesting post after the defense just used in the prior post to excuse VFX or w/e his name is

[Vecna]

VOTE: mastina

Sheep me.

You can't possibly believe that Vaxkiller is town.

check the pt first

I guess this is that game with tons of hidden private chats eh?

[Vecna]

Mastina, why do you think Ythan's role excludes him from the werewolf pool?

Im highly surprised that not more people are on that slots' balls given how EOD1 transpired (constant insistence of wagoning dann over Manatee, weird hirsute claim)

[Vecna]

lol just noticing you changed your sig to trigger me some more

[Vecna]

I said that it was possible that Morph's reads did not contain actual wolfs besides Manatee. Id was referring to his post with ~4 names I think it was? (spiffeh/Manatee/me/DGB slot?) So far, that actually might very much be the case. I dont think Morph was vocal to the thread about his echo read? Regardless spiffteeky flipped mafia. Im town. The only other person Morph mentioned in his last posts were the DGB slot I think?

2893 was referring to the weird interactions between unwind and Echo, which kept pooky so entertained. It had nothing to do with what your trying to imply.

Get out of the tunnel on me. Morph was on point that there was a weird slip in how Manatee defended me, and his useage of the word wolf instead of non-town. The next step of reasoning I still dont follow and lead him to the wrong conclusion.

[Vecna]

Titus, Taco is this game's Votato (It wouldnt even surprise me if its his new account if thats possible).

DGB is likely the remaining mafia or town, purely based on noone giving a crap about that elimination and the timing of the replace out.

Wolves are likely 2 out of <Kakegari/Ythan/Mastina/Anya) with potentially a mafia in there as well if DGB is town.

[Vecna]

oh no morph was not vocal about the echo read.
maybe you didn't read their posts because they definitely had a full reads list.
either way, Im basing this off of their posts last night in the mason pt which your faction no longer has access to ... @_@

yeah but it totally still sounds tmi af. morph specifically says the third member is 100% town and we're SRing you just before the post and you say "oh morph might be wrong on the third member. thats just such a specific and scummy thing to say there.

im not even tunneling you honestly. im fine with that reason being wrong. I dont even think ur wolf because of that anyways. morph just caught something smaller that I never caught but you've been howling out in broad daylight since then so my reasons are my own and correct also.

-Mister Ocean

I get why you feel that was over that comment in 283 or w/e the post number was, but youre also biased since it concerned you. If I had actually known that you were the third slot, there was no way I make that statement as any alignment.

Regardless, you do you I guess. Id reckon ill have a little time left to change your mind, so plenty that can still happen.

[Vecna]

I get why you feel that was over that comment in 283 or w/e the post number was, but youre also biased since it concerned you. If I had actually known that you were the third slot, there was no way I make that statement as any alignment.

Regardless, you do you I guess. Id reckon ill have a little time left to change your mind, so plenty that can still happen.

no I think it was exactly because you knew we were the third slot that you said that. it is such a specific statement and at such a bad time. I think it was purposeful and no im not being biased here. I think most of your posts have been pretty scummy. pooky and me were hearing the howling together earlier.

-Mister Ocean

How is speculating about kill reasons at the start of day a bad time? Why wouldnt wolves kill in a group of conftowns that are going to be coming after them? I get there is wifom-kills trying to confuse if youre about to be fucked, but there is also the flip-side to that argument.

It always strikes me how bad people in hoods get at understanding the reasoning from people that are not part of it and seeing their pov.

[Vecna]

Ocean, let's talk until the bench calls my case.

mommaaaa bear what do you wanna talk about :O

-Mister Ocean

Aww... if you weren't obvtown, I'd be pocketed. Our reads widely disagree with yours atm but we were both largely right on the flips so far. I'd like a deeper comment than oh boy.

mommmmmma bearrrr I just dont agree with your reads. I dont know what else to say tbh
so ig first off, we need you to compromise on dgb here because that was morph's dying wish and as their faithful brothers, we must make it happen.
aside from that, i think my reads list is more correct than yours. I can maybe see anya or taco not being scum but vecna isnt someone I will ever townread and dgb dying is morphs dying wish.
taco is probably still flailing scum literally no matter what. like I know town get desperate and get all suicidal but like that isnt what it looks like. I could be wrong but it all felt pretty fake to me and the main thing was that they seemed happy(vibes) afterwards which definitely felt like he was trying to pull the LLD thing in Yggdrasil.
anya is literally the only person I see maybe being town and thats literally because I can't even remember when the last time they posted was or what they said.

-Mister Ocean

Also, attributing those types of playstyles to such fuzzy players really seems like a great way to actually get a bunch of misskills

[Vecna]

cool, great talk.

[Vecna]

@Vecna thoughts on my reads?

I remember having a minor townread on Shelby, but its probably for terrible reasons.

I think youre spot on wrt Ythan. The way they claimed and were trying to push Dann over ManaT just did not feel towny at all.

[Vecna]

Titus, how come were suddenly getting along, ~sort of~?

[Vecna]

so, then why do you have a preference for 3 of the 5 easy roaders?

[Vecna]

Titus, how come were suddenly getting along, ~sort of~?

Because I read your tone like Civilization.

I dont think we've had a single T/T game where we didnt fight for 80% of the game.

Doesnt that make you at least a little suspicious?

[Vecna]

im gonna try to lurk untill either celestial is dead or its time to claim

[Vecna]

I would not be surprised to see all scum within
[Wheme, Anya, DGB, mastina, Vecna, peta]


I just need to narrow this down further.

ok I've started my reread and I think I'm tunneled so there isn't any clear benefits to continuing that reread.
anyways, you have a werewolf investigative right?
use it on vecna or anya.
if you use it on literally anyone else, i will have some issues with you.
I can very hesitantly give you a town lean for now but if you decide to go literally target pooky or some literal obvtown, i'd just treat that as a scum claim here honestly.

-Mister Ocean

Finally something sensible. Kill last mafia. Clear me of werewolf. easy game

[Vecna]

I guess Mastina is claiming malefactor? If true, murder Wheme

[Vecna]

@Taco as for your question, I dont really remember. There were some gut feelings to some of her posts, but nothing really tangible I commented on to remember. During the weekend I only checked in while completely drunk and on mdma so id strongly suggest to disregard much of that rambling.

[Vecna]

I guess Mastina is claiming malefactor? If true, murder Wheme

I really don't think that is what she is softing -- I have a different guess lol

its not and its funny vecna is twisting a pretty clear soft.

-Mister Ocean

If this is how its going to be, just kill me already so I can mock the rest of your efforts from the dead thread.