Not Quite Normal Multiball (Game Over)

Dannflor · Post Post #262 (isolation #0) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:04 am

oh my lord T3 what on earth

Dannflor · Post Post #266 (isolation #1) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:05 am

I did in fact receive a town role pm

Dannflor · Post Post #271 (isolation #2) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:08 am

first instinct is that Lukewarm's unvote of my slot is a little towny

also reading through and

In post 53, Uncle Shelby wrote:VOTE: Peter Pan

I like Anya and T3 so far. I'd love to stay and get to know everyone a little better, but I'm in line to be shot at the moment. Wish me luck!

edit: UNVOTE:
VOTE: Pooky

In post 248, Uncle Shelby wrote:I don't see why a partner would even bother trying for damage control here, especially when the only other info T3 spewed was not partner-related. But both Resistance heads getting a town read off of that is... something. One of them even claimed they're not even seeing any slip.

Shelby can you elaborate in any way on the two reads you outed in your first post?

I'm particularly interested in the read on my slot considering what had been generated so far. I'm also curious why if you started liking T3 if you had any hesitation about the genuineness of his "slip"

Dannflor · Post Post #273 (isolation #3) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:09 am

In post 267, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 266, Dannflor wrote:I did in fact receive a town role pm
Does it happen to be any of the multiple roles that T3 already claimed? lmao

doesn't seem so

Dannflor · Post Post #274 (isolation #4) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:10 am

In post 272, petapan wrote:do u wanna tell me the part where ragequit after being told his claim wouldn't be in the game was a "joke" too

I would assume the rage quit was because he made a horrible joke that got him in a horrible position which I imagine is quite the frustrating thing to happen

now the definition of "joke" may be stretching here

and i cannot claim to know the inner workings of T3's psychology

Dannflor · Post Post #276 (isolation #5) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:10 am

In post 268, morph the cat wrote:
In post 266, Dannflor wrote:I did in fact receive a town role pm

Cool, fullclaim then.

I'm a townie

Dannflor · Post Post #278 (isolation #6) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:13 am

I'm actually immediately suspicious of both resistance heads coming to a T3 town conclusion so suddenly

is there like a specific game or post that T3 was referencing with the first "slip?"

Dannflor · Post Post #280 (isolation #7) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:14 am

In post 128, ManateeDude wrote:slips like that r so unplausible but like.... why on earth would anyone Town aligned post that especially without indication it was a joke in the post

In post 148, ManateeDude wrote:
In post 146, T3 wrote:I might be bad at mafia but not bad enough to slip.

pedit: I was the Town Jailkeeper in your third game.VOTE:
it would be undoubtedly worse to post that as Town so out of respect for your skill you're being voted

bad posts

Dannflor · Post Post #281 (isolation #8) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:15 am

like manatee, I haven't seen someone hedge so much on an apparent scum slip before now

it reads like you're trying to give T3 an out, he takes the out, and then you're just like ah well I can't be blamed for this if it flips town

Dannflor · Post Post #283 (isolation #9) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:17 am

unwnd's reaction to the slip reads as the most genuine out of all the ones I've read

doesn't mean much I suppose because multiball but his attempts to try to find a partner for t3 in the aftermath and engaging with T3 even then are net ++ towny

Dannflor · Post Post #284 (isolation #10) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:19 am

In post 282, Celestial Powerhouse wrote:DANN

what are your thoughts on echo hedge?

-zeus

In post 90, Echolocation wrote:No fucking way someone actually slipped like that LMAO

In post 107, Echolocation wrote:VOTE: T3

I’m shook.

p-edit: Yes.

In post 155, Echolocation wrote:Don’t make me vote you ...

not sure what you're referring to here. pretty NAI reaction to T3. looks like banter with you I guess? I don't get the reference you were making to echo

Dannflor · Post Post #286 (isolation #11) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:19 am

In post 279, The Resistance wrote:
In post 278, Dannflor wrote:I'm actually immediately suspicious of both resistance heads coming to a T3 town conclusion so suddenly

is there like a specific game or post that T3 was referencing with the first "slip?"
Yes. Deco mini normal if the informed miller is the first slip. I quoted where he made the exact same claim.

~Titus

In post 83, T3 wrote:Anyways, I think we should try to kill the werewolves. Feel free to bus me early because I'll bus you all. The miller claim is an inside joke but I can always say it's serious later. I might rolecop unwnd because of the soft?

This is what people are referring to as the slip, Titus

Dannflor · Post Post #288 (isolation #12) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:21 am

it's very funny to walk into this position and see just "townie" in the role pm I open up - I was honestly expecting literally anything else

I wonder if T3 just got bored

Dannflor · Post Post #289 (isolation #13) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:23 am

In post 287, The Resistance wrote:I think it's a stretch to call that a slip. It /could/ be a slip, but that doesn't mean it is one.
~Ircher

I mean it's obviously *supposed* to be a mafia/werewolf pt slip, it's only a stretch if you think there's no way he would do that

I don't actually know why I'm going down this line of argument besides the fact that I find it's weird you dismissed that so readily

Dannflor · Post Post #291 (isolation #14) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:24 am

okay thanks titus, that makes more sense

I'm pretty much caught up now btw - if everyone who ran away when I replaced in wants to come back

Dannflor · Post Post #304 (isolation #15) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:31 am

I don't really have a read on morph the cat despite their volume of posts which is a little worrying

like there's an aggressive charisma there but a lot of the posts feel performative in a NAI way. I don't think the case on T3 is super indicative either way. at that point it is assumed T3 will be dead either way - which ever way T3 flips, piling on more actually makes morph look good because multiball

I like Echo's recent posts

Celestial Powerhouse seems fiiine

Dannflor · Post Post #306 (isolation #16) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:32 am

for what absolutely little it's worth I also read the loyal babysitter as a joke right before I replaced in

Dannflor · Post Post #308 (isolation #17) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:33 am

Echo, elaborate on manatee?

Dannflor · Post Post #312 (isolation #18) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:38 am

Kazyan, did you really write #120 without thinking once "people will pick up on the fact that I'm implying I don't have a PT this game"

or are ya being a little performative here

you can be honest with me

Dannflor · Post Post #315 (isolation #19) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:41 am

In post 311, Echolocation wrote:
In post 305, morph the cat wrote:
In post 302, Echolocation wrote:Manatee feels chill. Luke is (?) from first post.
My thoughts are a mirror opposite of these.
Really?

I've not played with Manatee but I got the "pure" vibe from them which like, yeah I know, but it works.

And Luke felt a little stilted on entrance as if he was like "hi I don't know what to say oh wow haha eight pages!" Which like, I expected more panic maybe or frustration given how Tarot went for him as in "oh god stuff is happening what did I miss this time do I get to even have a role." His posting after is better, though.

mostly reading them by how they reacted to T3 / my wagon, but I'd Manatee's "pure" vibe actually feels to me more like staying out of the way and keeping with the as-lukewarm-takes-as-possible (hehe) - Lukewarm feels like he's trying to get into the game more aggressively, given his vote on me and subsequent immediate unvote, it's just surface level more awkward than manatee who feels like she's hanging back

Dannflor · Post Post #318 (isolation #20) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:44 am

In post 314, Lukewarm wrote:idk, I think I would immediately read each individual one as a joke coming from T3, but seeing so many different ones coming all back to back seemed... different then the joking I expect from T3.

my hypothesis is that it was the classic tale of realizing something didn't land quite the way you wanted it to, and then digging a deeper and deeper hole for yourself not by admitting you were wrong, but by trying to lay on the joke thicker

it's an awkward way to deal with it as either alignment - but I think if you do actually read everything T3 posted as a joke it comes out as net NAI and more indicative of not handling a social situation well

Dannflor · Post Post #320 (isolation #21) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:44 am

In post 317, Celestial Powerhouse wrote:
In post 262, Dannflor wrote:oh my lord T3 what on earth
This kinda reads like someone who didn't know what they were walking into, which is hard to believe if the game waa reas before rapping in

ZEUS FOUND A MENTAL DISCREPANCY

this was specifically my response to reading the "townie" role pm if that helps

which was about the last thing I expected to read

Dannflor · Post Post #322 (isolation #22) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:46 am

In post 321, ManateeDude wrote:
In post 281, Dannflor wrote:like manatee, I haven't seen someone hedge so much on an apparent scum slip before now

it reads like you're trying to give T3 an out, he takes the out, and then you're just like ah well I can't be blamed for this if it flips town
I don't quite get where you derived the last bit from?? Idk I just approached the T3 situation giving a line of questioning that I thought was reasonable given the situation. asking him a question shouldn't mean I'm trying to give him an out?

well what exactly did you derive from that line of questioning?

Dannflor · Post Post #326 (isolation #23) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:50 am

I did in fact read enough to know the position I was replacing into, i was like 60% sure i was replacing into a scum slot, hence my reaction

@manatee, I'm just confused by your engagement with T3 because it feels like you were questioning them / trying to figure out ways they could've made the slip as town, but by the end of it you were just like, eh none of that matters I have to vote T3 anyway. enlighten me to some of your inner thought process? at the very least like what response you had to what you did get out of him, if anything

Dannflor · Post Post #327 (isolation #24) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:51 am

[unwnd]
[lukewarm, echo, kazyan, celestial?]
[morph the cat, resistance]
[manatee, uncle shelby]
[..., ...]

this is about where I'm at at the moment

I have to go be productive for a while, be back this evening if I'm not dead

Dannflor · Post Post #332 (isolation #25) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:04 am

In post 330, Kazyan wrote:but this post makes me doubt myself, because making a readslist is a very non-scummy thing to do right now. Scum would be in full-tilt damage control mode.

curious why making a reads list doesn't fit into full-tilt damage control mode

or rather what is your definition of what I "would be doing"

Dannflor · Post Post #478 (isolation #26) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:52 pm

In post 385, unwnd wrote:
In post 327, Dannflor wrote:[unwnd]
[lukewarm, echo, kazyan, celestial?]
[morph the cat, resistance]
[manatee, uncle shelby]
[..., ...]

this is about where I'm at at the moment

I have to go be productive for a while, be back this evening if I'm not dead

Not a terrible list but remarkably safe. Yes I am going to scrutinize you a bit harder given what T3 did. Why is Morph so high up? Shouldn't they be a bit more lower relative to your own innocence? If I rep into a slot and I was just previously shitcanned I'd be wondering who were being opportunistic in my previous life's folly

morph is in the mixed / I don't have a read on them yet but I feel like I should category - I went into this in an earlier post

I need to see more out of them beyond complaining about my slot

Dannflor · Post Post #480 (isolation #27) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:54 pm

VOTE: Kazyan

Dannflor · Post Post #483 (isolation #28) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:55 pm

In post 431, Kazyan wrote:
In post 384, The Resistance wrote:
In post 380, Kazyan wrote:If you guys somehow talk yourself into eliminating me instead of Dann, town just deserves to lose; idk what to say
Why are you so fearful of being eliminated with like one vote and a FoS (from my other head) on you? Why the AtE?

~Titus
Because I'm in disbelief that Dann is on the verge of getting away with this and how the obligatory Day 1 argument about me is happening again

what exactly am I getting away with

is there any hypothetical world where I am town to you

In post 432, unwnd wrote:FWIW

I am operating strongly on not only what T3 did but also what Cabd said about modifiers and this setup deviating from NRG bullshit. I see no reason for Ceph to add Loyal Babysitter given it's the same dredge that's clogged up the queue for months now and has left normal games in a horrid state. It's going to take a lot, and I mean
a lot
for me to switch this read around. The problem is however is that Cabd's observation is nice, but it's not charming. That's yet to happen

I'm not a loyal babysitter

Dannflor · Post Post #487 (isolation #29) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:56 pm

In post 442, Vecna wrote:this is also quite performative though, right after making statements about other people (kazyan) performting too much?

I'm a performative player

and I never said being performative was scummy

Dannflor · Post Post #494 (isolation #30) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:01 pm

@uncle shelby I have full claimed

re: Kazyan

I would not be so quick to write off his AtE (however mild) as towny. I think #120 showcases that Kazyan is fairly intelligently concerned about his image (whether town or scum) and how people are reading him. I don't think his jump to "oh no dann is going to get away with it" is necessarily a fully genuine reaction. and based off my (albeit sample size of 1) experience with him, he's a lot more strategically minded than I think his posts this game let on

I don't think his reaction extreme reaction compared to the fact that I'm actually gaining votes?? is at all genuine and is instead designed to be towny

Dannflor · Post Post #497 (isolation #31) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:01 pm

no guys I'm literally a vanilla townie I have i not made that clear to everyone by now

Dannflor · Post Post #499 (isolation #32) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:02 pm

Spoiler:

Dannflor · Post Post #504 (isolation #33) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:03 pm

In post 501, Uncle Shelby wrote:You went from a confident "I have full claimed" to "have i not made that clear" very quickly.

i am exacerbated because I thought it was very clear

what

Dannflor · Post Post #510 (isolation #34) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:05 pm

In post 444, morph the cat wrote:Where do the scumreads start here?

is this your question? because I answered it in another post

You are in the explicitly mixed / middling category, everything below is scummy

Dannflor · Post Post #515 (isolation #35) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:07 pm

I respect unwnd as scum as well but I don't think he is scum in this game

lukewarm, are there reasons beyond paranoia you are feeling that? even if it's just gut based?

Dannflor · Post Post #519 (isolation #36) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:08 pm

In post 514, Uncle Shelby wrote:
In post 504, Dannflor wrote:
In post 501, Uncle Shelby wrote:You went from a confident "I have full claimed" to "have i not made that clear" very quickly.
i am exacerbated because I thought it was very clear

what
Ok, I see what posts you're linking to, and it seems sort of awkward to me the way you keep saying " "townie " instead of a more explicit VT (yes, before you ask, I have read the sample PM's), like something you could easily walk back on later.

it just literally says townie in the role pm so that's what I said, but I see how that would be confusing

yeah lol let me walk back my slot's claim a 6th time

Dannflor · Post Post #536 (isolation #37) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:13 pm

In post 524, Vecna wrote:
In post 497, Dannflor wrote:no guys I'm literally a vanilla townie I have i not made that clear to everyone by now
See, this is the type of trap I was sort of waiting for to slam shut on someone's face.

At two places in the OP, it is sort of implied there might not be VT's whatsoever. Then the sample VT role pm does not any flavor.

The discernable reader might figure out whether this game has vanilla towns or not

Strike against you.

well, I've explicitly got the VT role pm

lack of flavor and all

Dannflor · Post Post #552 (isolation #38) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:18 pm

Uncle Shelby went up for me

Dannflor · Post Post #565 (isolation #39) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:22 pm

meh never mind

VOTE: morphcat

Dannflor · Post Post #567 (isolation #40) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:23 pm

In post 564, ManateeDude wrote:someone talk to me

you're not saying much to respond to

Dannflor · Post Post #580 (isolation #41) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:27 pm

In post 576, Vecna wrote:
In post 567, Dannflor wrote:
In post 564, ManateeDude wrote:someone talk to me
you're not saying much to respond to
I feel like ive said quite a lot to you as well, but have not had a lot of reactions.

It might not have been questions, but id like to point to my vote still being on you.

How do you plan to remedy that?

I don't really care

Dannflor · Post Post #584 (isolation #42) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:30 pm

it is in fact best practice in a large to just eliminate the claimed VT

but yknow give it some time and give intent so that i can shit out one last reads list

Dannflor · Post Post #591 (isolation #43) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:33 pm

In post 586, Vecna wrote:Do you believe Titus characterization of the T3 slot to be correct?

If youre town, are you being white knighted?

absolutely, someone who is scum/werewolf decided to defend me - unsure if it's the titus slot

I still find it quite odd that both heads of that slot individually came to the conclusion that I am obvious town, although I buy Titus' explanation to an extent

they're mixed for me right now and I'm kinda waiting to see what else they do that's *not* directly related to my slot, if anything

Dannflor · Post Post #592 (isolation #44) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:34 pm

VOTE: whemey

Dannflor · Post Post #593 (isolation #45) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:35 pm

In post 591, Dannflor wrote:
In post 586, Vecna wrote:Do you believe Titus characterization of the T3 slot to be correct?

If youre town, are you being white knighted?
absolutely, someone who is scum/werewolf decided to defend me - unsure if it's the titus slot

I still find it quite odd that both heads of that slot individually came to the conclusion that I am obvious town, although I buy Titus' explanation to an extent

they're mixed for me right now and I'm kinda waiting to see what else they do that's *not* directly related to my slot, if anything

also, from what I know about T3, yeah I'd find her characterization plausible - I find it the most plausible explanation of what actually happened here

it's actually more the other head of that hydra I'm concerned about

Dannflor · Post Post #597 (isolation #46) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:37 pm

In post 591, Dannflor wrote:absolutely, someone who is scum/werewolf decided to defend me - unsure if it's the titus slot

I think scum is most likely among the slots that took a more neutral stance on me but continued to vote my slot. Slots that were like "welp scum slip I guess I have to vote" but were otherwise checked out, gives them plausible deniability no matter how I flip. You can't seriously be suspect someone for voting because of a perceived scum slip. and they get cred for easily hopping on the wagon if I were to flip scum

so, I was looking at slots like manatee initially, although she's recently become more firm in her stance on this slot

Dannflor · Post Post #602 (isolation #47) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:40 pm

In post 601, Vecna wrote:Manatee seems very much obv-town to me

like, tonal read? or something more

Dannflor · Post Post #628 (isolation #48) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:52 pm

In post 609, Kakeguri Addicts wrote:
In post 584, Dannflor wrote:it is in fact best practice in a large to just eliminate the claimed VT
Your slot claimed loyal babysitter and then threw a tantrum when they perceived their claim as being dismantled.

yes I am talking about myself here

Dannflor · Post Post #630 (isolation #49) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:52 pm

other wagons is good actually if only to make D1 not completely useless for the later stages of the game

Dannflor · Post Post #631 (isolation #50) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:53 pm

In post 616, ManateeDude wrote:whemestars defence of T3 is tmi I think

I would certainly pick whemestar as the white knight over Titus

Dannflor · Post Post #637 (isolation #51) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:57 pm

nope, I'm saying that is what should happen

Dannflor · Post Post #701 (isolation #52) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:49 pm

Why is Echo so low, Peta?

Dannflor · Post Post #893 (isolation #53) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:54 pm

Anya, what exactly did you want me to respond to?

I know you were like town reading me or something but idk

I think further conversation about my slot is kinda bad at the moment

Dannflor · Post Post #894 (isolation #54) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:56 pm

In post 890, Celestial Powerhouse wrote:I think I've only seen one townread on us and that was dannflor.
and actually I thought the slot might be town before that.
I dont really like how "correct" dann's reads feel. they feel like they are "right" and Im not sure how to explain that feeling. they just fit in so well and I dont question them when typically I pick at people's reads lists.
admittedly I haven't read most of this game but it still felt unnatural and perfect in a way. articificial is a good word here.

-Mister Ocean

I don’t really know how to respond to this other than I’m not sure where this feeling is coming from

Isn’t there something paradoxical about saying I’m the only one town reading you and then questioning my reads as too perfect? What does that even mean in a multiball game

Normally I would think you’d mean I’m just sleeping consensus reads but clearly you don’t mean that exactly

Someone else did indeed say something along those lines earlier so I’m curious what part of my posts logically makes you feel this way or if you’re just posting these words for the sake of it

Dannflor · Post Post #897 (isolation #55) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:59 pm

I hope Kakeguri is town!

Dannflor · Post Post #910 (isolation #56) » Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:08 pm

In post 901, Celestial Powerhouse wrote:I dont mean sheeping consensus.

what would be the scum motivation to point all of that out for me? and I specifically said that I dont know how to explain it. and what do you mean posting words for the sake of it? light shade isnt really going to get you anywhere given I'm already a universal scum read here.

I'm trying to push you to put reasons to your emotions

I don't doubt you got that impression, whether from Lukewarm's post bleeding into your subconscious or just as some general impression from my post. But anyone can just spew the first impressions they get off posts, that's like my primary approach to scum - it often reads as towny because people read impressions and emotions as genuine. but town usually tries to dig deeper than that.

why exactly do you get that feeling, what is it? - push deeper. because right now posting stuff like "dann's reads feel too perfect" is just that, words

I don't think it's immediately scummy but I'm shading you to try and goad out your thought process a little more

Dannflor · Post Post #1045 (isolation #57) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:36 am

I've like never been in a position where I'm supposed to die but am also still alive for an indefinite period of time

I'll probably just spend some time putting out a more detailed reads list today and then be done

Dannflor · Post Post #1047 (isolation #58) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:41 am

Echo, can I have a little treat of a couple reads from you?

Dannflor · Post Post #1050 (isolation #59) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:44 am

morph the cat, kakeguri, petapan

Dannflor · Post Post #1052 (isolation #60) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:48 am

cool thanks

Dannflor · Post Post #1056 (isolation #61) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:51 am

In post 1053, Echolocation wrote:When I read them all and come back with the opposite don’t lose that townread you had on me.

reads that lack obvious continuity are more likely to come from town anyway

but i feel you should already know that

Dannflor · Post Post #1154 (isolation #62) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:27 am

hey this is my last will and testimony

Spoiler:

that's probably about all the *hair twirling* ive got in me for this but will be around the rest of the day to answer questions i suppose

would have been nice to play with y'all under different circumstances

Dannflor · Post Post #1158 (isolation #63) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:32 am

i dont think ive ever not bottom tier scum read you so take that with a grain of salt

Dannflor · Post Post #1163 (isolation #64) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:38 am

i am not trying to live through this day

Dannflor · Post Post #1165 (isolation #65) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:40 am

see you then

Dannflor · Post Post #1167 (isolation #66) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:43 am

ouch taco cannot catch a break

Dannflor · Post Post #1174 (isolation #67) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:53 am

In post 1168, Anya wrote:dann you can just ask and i'll veto your elim today no questions asked

1. elim me and we don't risk any PRs outing
2. no one is ever going to trust me enough for me to have any significant influence on this game alive and my position probably means that what reads i can garner aren't as good as they might otherwise be
3. players in control of the game state like kakeguri and morph want me dead such that even if I live to the next day phase, the game is still going to be stuck on my slot and that's very harmful
4. you don't have that type of power anyway
5. it's more informative to kill me today and get it over with than any other day

Dannflor · Post Post #1194 (isolation #68) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 8:50 am

hi ythan

Dannflor · Post Post #1196 (isolation #69) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 8:56 am

Oh wait celestial has Nancy? Has she posted much this game? which head is she?

Dannflor · Post Post #1206 (isolation #70) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:05 am

In post 1200, Celestial Powerhouse wrote:I should probably clarify that that is not an actual id claim. That was a joke claim but if you want to believe it, go ahead lol.

-Mister Ocean

no I should have checked first, none of you are nancy

I just got excited because I can read her decently well

Dannflor · Post Post #1224 (isolation #71) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:41 am

Spoiler:

im a little confused

why aren't you voting me now

Dannflor · Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:09 am

okay maybe wheme star can be town actually

at the very least not aligned with morph cat

Dannflor · Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:15 am

VOTE: Lukwarm

Dannflor · Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:31 am

In post 1270, The Resistance wrote:That being said, I saw Dannflor give out a last will and testament. Please explain that; it doesn't seem like he is in danger of being eliminated here soon, so it does register as a bit overdramatic.
~Ircher

I am not in danger of being eliminated here soon, we're only a few days in here

but I will be eliminated today eventually

Dannflor · Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:46 am

In post 1276, The Resistance wrote:
In post 1274, Ythan wrote:Still catching up but my impression thus far is that Dann will be eliminated today.
He is at like... 6 votes according to the last VC. We need double that to eliminate him. It still seems too early to be assuming he's the elim here.

pedit: Okay, but why post a "last will" now? Why not wait and call it a reads list which is what it is?
~Ircher

because I don't really have the will to seriously play beyond what I got out in that reads list

I'm here to use my vote to build wagons up until my death and not too much else

Dannflor · Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:56 am

does lukewarm vs. celestial feel kinda funky to anyone else

Dannflor · Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:07 am

In post 1322, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 1318, unwnd wrote:Lukewarm doesn't seem to be in on the joke, actually

Dann what's your scumgame like? I remember vs. game where you sorta flopped but you seem oddly stubborn. Like you accept your death but you're going to post anyways. It's like an entitlement.
it's because he's not spending 12 hours a day grinding Masters in TFT anymore so he has time to spend on playing mafia now

my scum game isn't especially good or consistent imo. I've had a pretty wide range performances, but nothing so standout that I'm not still pretty readable. The Flaver leaf scum game is probably my worst in recorded history

here's a scum win i had: viewtopic.php?f=56&t=80863

here's a scum loss i had: viewtopic.php?f=52&t=78713

if you're interested in skimming. I usually can't replicate the same amount of WIM i have as town when I'm scum. I try to replicate the reads list and efforts, but as evidenced in vengecop, RC can see right through me as scum every time, I just don't have the same WIM. the second game I did better largely because I had an enjoyable scum team, but I was still pretty much just vomting posts rather than thinking about the game in the way I usually do as town, and I think that's clear if you spend a significant amount of time playing with me

Dannflor · Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:08 am

In post 1332, Uncle Shelby wrote:
Dannflor
is there a reason you had nothing to say about me in your wall post?

I forgot about you sorry

I'm currently mixed on you but leaning town I think

idk I have to reread your iso

Dannflor · Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:09 am

In post 1335, Uncle Shelby wrote:I haven't looked over the rest of the wall yet but that made me sad

I was jumping around to the people I had most to say about and I forgot to fill you in

I had thoughts about you but they need a lot of detangling, I'll fill in something more substantial later today, don't be sad

Dannflor · Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:15 am

I don't think pooky is scum anymore

he's just null

Dannflor · Post Post #1399 (isolation #81) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:19 pm

In post 1391, Lukewarm wrote:It seems a bit strange to me that Posiden's case on me was apparently not enough to convince the other heads of his own hydra, but was enough to convince both Taco and Dann to follow Posiden's push on me with votes of their own.

In post 1259, Taco Hemingway wrote:VOTE: Lukewarm

In post 1264, Dannflor wrote:VOTE: Lukwarm
They are also empty votes...

@Taco and Dann, would you guys like to weigh in

idk just wanted to see how you'd react

I don't want to self vote yet because I think that functionally ends the day and I feel there's still useful content being produced

Dannflor · Post Post #1400 (isolation #82) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:20 pm

In post 1396, morph the cat wrote:
In post 1393, Ythan wrote:That Dann iso better be amazing.
He's not doing terribly. In another slot I might be undecided or lean town on the content, but it's not another slot.

in another universe, we might've been friends

alas

Dannflor · Post Post #1403 (isolation #83) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:26 pm

werewolf dance game, right?

Dannflor · Post Post #1405 (isolation #84) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:30 pm

hm I wasn't in that game

Dannflor · Post Post #1408 (isolation #85) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:31 pm

who let cephrir get that high

Dannflor · Post Post #1412 (isolation #86) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:47 pm

Anyways, I think we should try to kill the mafia. Feel free to bus me early because I'll bus you all. The townie claim is an inside joke but I can always say it's serious later. I might rolecop Ythan because of the soft?

Dannflor · Post Post #1420 (isolation #87) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:51 pm

sure VOTE: VFP

this is one of the slots who soft-defended my slot

Dannflor · Post Post #1421 (isolation #88) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:52 pm

In post 1414, morph the cat wrote:I kind of found a new meta tell and no longer want Dann dead today :/

Is this related to T3 or myself?

Dannflor · Post Post #1437 (isolation #89) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:14 pm

is this from when I pretended to be RC

Dannflor · Post Post #1438 (isolation #90) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:15 pm

I think ythan is town

Dannflor · Post Post #1444 (isolation #91) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:52 pm

I do think Kazyan was performing a bit with the newbie stuff. but I think he stopped when it wasn't having exactly the effect he wanted it to

Dannflor · Post Post #1446 (isolation #92) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:56 pm

In post 1445, morph the cat wrote:
In post 1437, Dannflor wrote:is this from when I pretended to be RC
No. It's from the dance game you JUST mentioned.

yes that is the game I put on my RC!seal costume

Dannflor · Post Post #1464 (isolation #93) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 3:36 pm

I’m impressed by cabd’s read on me and he honestly has no reason to 180 at this stage

But I think I’ll be the only one impressed by it

Pedit: pooky isn’t really playing the game, is he?

Dannflor · Post Post #1467 (isolation #94) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 3:37 pm

Fine list but idk how to read Peta or Pooky

Dannflor · Post Post #1483 (isolation #95) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 3:46 pm

I’m curious morph, did you look at any of my scum games for a comparison?

Dannflor · Post Post #1484 (isolation #96) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 3:46 pm

Or does the cold meta not do much for you

Dannflor · Post Post #1559 (isolation #97) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:15 pm

@Uncle Shelby hopefully this makes you less sad

Spoiler:

Dannflor · Post Post #1572 (isolation #98) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:18 pm

In post 1548, Ythan wrote:
In post 1544, petapan wrote:
In post 1537, Spiffeh wrote:Hi nooblets
whats it like to replace into a scum slot
Dann's been sitting here this whole time.

it's actually even more fascinating to replace into what i thought was a scum slot which fake claimed babysitter but is actually a vanilla townie

Dannflor · Post Post #1580 (isolation #99) » Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:19 pm

I'm a little worried I'm town reading everyone with a high post count

except pooky I guess

Dannflor · Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:20 pm

In post 1578, Lukewarm wrote:If you say so, but I mean, you also followed the vote up with this, which is what felt more like you were actually buying what posiden was selling

I came to the conclusion after this that what was smelling funky was you guys just miscommunicating over and over again - talking past each other if you will

at first I was a little ehhhhh this all feels a little bad faith from somewhere and not TvT

but I have come around to blaming the flaws of human interaction over the internet

Dannflor · Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:08 pm

Why is Manatee there

Dannflor · Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:11 pm

In post 1720, Celestial Powerhouse wrote:can we kill spiffeh today because I have no other way to determine morph's alignment then testing morph's reads.

-Mister Ocean

I feel like spiffeh would be the worst slot to do BoP with ?

Dannflor · Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:13 pm

also morph can just be town because why do they need to meta dive me and decide I’m town

I guess they get some cred when I flip?

Dannflor · Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:19 pm

In post 1748, Celestial Powerhouse wrote:his scum game being sexy as hell

you have me confused with someone else

Dannflor · Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:20 pm

norra has barely even posted, right? celestial might be town but not for that

Dannflor · Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:22 pm

pooky I remember like 3 of your posts this game and 1 of them was the pagetop counter

that's probably what they mean by lurky

Dannflor · Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:27 pm

I kinda wanted VFP to post at least once before we switched to anyone else

Dannflor · Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:31 pm

In post 1793, Celestial Powerhouse wrote:I want to give VFP some more time.

why

Dannflor · Fri Jul 16, 2021 6:01 pm

ythan steadily and methodically working his way through major ISOs even through all the shitposting of the last several hours is a good look

Dannflor · Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:58 am

In post 1926, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 1919, mastina wrote:Regardless of his alignment, he shouldn't survive to see D4 because even if he DOES belong to a scumteam, he SHOULD be nightkilled by the other scumteam just due to the threat he poses to them. And if he's town, that's doubly so, because that means both scumteams will see him as a threat. Because he's Dannflor.
I was unaware that Dann comes with this level of notoriety.

I don't, mastina just respects my game to an unusual degree. my read rate is generally only slightly better than rand. I do get night killed a fairly high amount but it is usually due to the fact that I can obv-town well. Unfortunately, I have a bit of baggage this game that makes that less likely as a whole

Dannflor · Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:16 am

Honestly, I don't super enjoy how Spiffeh's analysis of my slot is largely limited to

feelings

about my tone. It's not that I don't read it as genuine but he's basically taken two opposite standpoints on how my posting feels, either one of which could be reasonable and credible to lean into depending on how the thread shifts — i.e. morph gives permission for my lim.

That being said, I agree with all of his observations about the reactions of unwnd/Echo/Manatee. Resistance read makes sense. Generally, a good post, the flippy flop on me just gives my stomach gurglies. I think the fact he was reading through the game instead of like forcing himself to join in on the memeing last night could be town indicative. Idk I think the reaction to his wagon was fine. real time interaction will come if necessary

In post 1953, Kazyan wrote:Unrelatedly, morph the cat is not a townread for me, for that progression about a meta tell on Dann. It does not look like scum faking a turnaround and wolf!morph gains nothing from it. Mafia!morph might use it as an excuse to stop bussing a buddy, but it seems less likely.

would town read morph if I were to flip town? I'm trying to make sure if I'm deciphering this correctly. are you scum reading morph? net neutral? why?

In post 1957, Kazyan wrote:Spiff is making a lot of sense about The Resistance. I'm sold on The Resistance being town for now (or malefactor at worst).

I'm unsure why you think malefactor would behave any different from scum given the tell that Spiffeh described

Dannflor · Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:31 am

In post 1922, Vecna wrote:As soon as I started poking at this slot (generally townread for some reason) I got shaded and then appeased with weak reasons for a townread.

vecna I feel like this post lacks some curiosity as too why the slot is so widely town read

Dannflor · Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:32 am

I used the wrong too but that's because I woke up half an hour ago

Dannflor · Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:34 am

anyway here's my impulsive drag box reads list

my manager will be taking all questions at this time

I know I know - it feels TOO PERFECT *hair twirl emoji*

Dannflor · Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:45 am

no such thing

Dannflor · Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:47 am

In post 1987, Kazyan wrote:Someone shame-vote me, please.

you could just say it was actually a joke

ive heard people are generally chill with that

Dannflor · Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:55 am

Kazyan have you made any progress on figuring out if whemestar is bad-take town or bad-take scum

Dannflor · Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:34 am

In post 1998, Spiffeh wrote:
In post 1977, Dannflor wrote:Honestly, I don't super enjoy how Spiffeh's analysis of my slot is largely limited to feelings about my tone. It's not that I don't read it as genuine but he's basically taken two opposite standpoints on how my posting feels, either one of which could be reasonable and credible to lean into depending on how the thread shifts — i.e. morph gives permission for my lim.
I have been successful in the past identifying scum based on tone (borkjerfkin in Warehouse 13, for example) and my ~feelings~ about people are like 90% of how I form my reads so I don't really know what to tell you.

Where I'm at in my catchup, your slot is THE hot topic and I find it worthwhile to list things that bother me and things that I like so I can come to a conclusion when I'm finished reading. That's why I asked Titus to link the game she was talking about in regards to T3, though I misunderstood and thought she meant he had fake-scumslipped in the past, which would have affected how I viewed the validity of the scum slip in this game.

that's fair. I just can't shake the squeamish feeling that you came to basically two different ~feelings~ about my slot that you can lean into as you go on

I guess I'll be most interest in what your ultimate conclusion is on my slot after you're done catching up

Dannflor · Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:39 am

In post 1999, unwnd wrote:Share your tierlist and I'll make one of my own

https://tiermaker.com/create/reads-1081311

Dannflor · Sat Jul 17, 2021 6:26 am

In post 2005, ManateeDude wrote:im still of the mindset dann was tmi'ed by wheme and im ready to believe theyre town for quite a while

how does this work with multi-ball

I find it hard to believe this is the only reason I went from 100% the elim today to your top town read category?

Dannflor · Sat Jul 17, 2021 6:58 am

In post 2007, Echolocation wrote:If you want my opinions on anything just ask me, my engagement with this game will probably be minimal.

can you read pooky

Dannflor · Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:00 am

right, but... we can't assume Wheme is mafia if he's scum - that's more what I'm getting at

Dannflor · Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:05 am

In post 2013, ManateeDude wrote:
In post 2010, Dannflor wrote:
In post 2005, ManateeDude wrote:im still of the mindset dann was tmi'ed by wheme and im ready to believe theyre town for quite a while
how does this work with multi-ball

I find it hard to believe this is the only reason I went from 100% the elim today to your top town read category?
i mean............. thats kind of it. youve generally been pretty towny from my perspective though i really did not like what T3 did so i guess its a combination of my theory and warming up to your slot. i still dont think your slot is wolf based around what happened, and my theory is that wheme is specifically mafia

okay. I can see it. and I missed the part where your theory was specifically that he was mafia

I'll be honest in that I'm not sure personally that your theory has a ton of weight

but I have also been in that exact situation before where I have a slightly convoluted theory that I increasingly conf-bias into (whether you're right or not) and get super excited about it

also I guess scum are less likely to suddenly put one of their top scum reads as one of their top town reads out of moon-logic type progression

Dannflor · Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:25 am

In post 2025, Lukewarm wrote:Actually an open question for the people who have more experience with Mastina then I do

You only have to look back as far as Team Mafia 2021 to see that mastina has no problem wanting to eliminate me if she thinks I’m scum

but I also know she generally overestimates my play so maybe the multi ball argument makes her town? Idk if her “let him be a night kill” argument super makes sense from a mafia perspective who knows I’m town. Maybe if she’s a werewolf and actually thinks I’m mafia

Idk, it’s not out of character in that I don’t super understand it

Dannflor · Sat Jul 17, 2021 9:31 pm

ythan, listen up. if you are going to read a single one of my posts with even the slightest amount of credibility one might give to someone who could be town, let it be this one.

first of all, I'm starting to disbelieve your junk crusade. You are stuck in one place and while at first it created a towny impression it feels like you are using a moment of the game that you should be thinking critically about to... not play the game. the problem is, I think you're a smart player alright. You've literally been in this situation before. I am remembering ythan vs. A50 circa Team Mafia 2021 where you were SO sure you had caught scum but it was really just a townie doing absolutely unbelievable things. You had conviction like you do now, but you cooled off and realized, hey, the simplest answer really is that A50 is just that crazy

I don't see any attempts at that introspection here. There aren't even attempts to engage with the rest of the game. your iso crawls are loosely tangential to the game and your commentary is very witty I will admit. But every conclusion you draw about the game is pre-supposed by this weird assumption about T3/my slot that if scum is a way to avoid really interacting with the game and if town is actively hindering your ability to interact with the game. You are stuck playing a game on Page 4 of a nearly 100 Page game. What is up with that

I don't care that you are scum reading me. like unwnd observed, I

like

the fact that you're one of the few on my wagon actively pushing me. your conviction is good, but where the fuck is your critical thinking. like its getting unbelievable to a point where I'm not sure if its just a veneer you're using to look towny and whine at everyone for going after actual scum

In post 83, T3 wrote:Anyways,
I think we should try to kill the werewolves
. Feel free to bus me early because I'll bus you all.
The miller claim is an inside joke but I can always say it's serious later.
I might rolecop unwnd because of the soft?

humor me for a moment and

look

at the post you keep referring to as obvious scum. you can keep in mind the stuff countless other slots have already tried to explain to you or not. Look at the first sentence. Do you really think as mafia, 'we should kill the enemy team' is a controversial, worthwhile, strategy statement. Do you really think there was a conversation where it was needed for T3 to input his opinion of "kill the people with the opposite win condition as us." Look at the third sentence combined with later T3/Resistance posts. Does T3's miller claim with that line make logical sense for someone to seriously post in their mafia PT. Does it make sense for him to make a claim that someone else will call out as a joke and then claim to his buddies that he can make it serious later?

Look at the first word "anyway," does it make sense that T3 seems to be continuing from another post he just made? and slipped??? that somehow in the space of posting two probably sequential posts that he switched tabs or windows or whatever, didn't notice the color change, and then hit enter?

does any of it really feel like an honest to god REAL post to you? really? I get thinking T3 is scum for a host of reasons - there is some sense to it

I feel like you aren't truly thinking about this though and I'm not entirely sure why. Is this just the way to avoid having to use your brain too much in D1 of a large theme? because I feel like even ythan without a brain should be coming after me for different reasons here, or at the very least backing down a little and reconsidering those reasons after several slots *including slots that want me dead* tell you that you're off base

so what's actually up here, please tell me what's going through your head?

Dannflor · Sat Jul 17, 2021 9:33 pm

morph's case on manatee is actually flawed but manatee's reaction is very "wolf caught for the wrong reasons"

the vote on morph is not believable

morph is exactly the type of player to believe his own case there, regardless of the fact that its predicated on ignoring the fact that "wolf" is a very common way to refer to scum

Dannflor · Sat Jul 17, 2021 9:38 pm

wheme why do you expect me to town read you

no wrong question

what part of your play should i town read, give me the wheme!town model

Dannflor · Sat Jul 17, 2021 9:45 pm

In post 2378, Ythan wrote:but you will die today.

this is also starting to feel like fake bravado

Dannflor · Sat Jul 17, 2021 9:47 pm

this just made me sad

Dannflor · Sat Jul 17, 2021 9:48 pm

because honestly you're probably still town in my heart of hearts

I just have a headache now

Dannflor · Sat Jul 17, 2021 9:57 pm

I agree with the echolocation townreads with one caveat

Echo if you are town, and I mean this in the nicest way possible, I think you need to snap out of it

I don't mean that you have to put up with reading every single inane post in the 20 pages that appears between dawn and dusk. but stop getting hung up on whatever perceived quality you need your play to be at and just play the game as and how you can. I think you underestimate what a town player can do when they just engage with the thread as they are around

your "quality" is likely to be much better than some of the players who are around for every single post

I think you're town but you're going to be a casualty mis-elim later down the line still because even if you can get engaged with less people, players are going to look back at these days and not see the town you with hang-ups about how to engage, but someone who is staying out of the spotlight because they might be scum

Dannflor · Sat Jul 17, 2021 10:01 pm

In post 2227, ManateeDude wrote:this is so FRUSTRATING

manatee can you explain what part of what happened earlier prompted this emotion?

was it the case itself or who it came from or the fact that people were buying into it?

what was the part that felt most frustrating

Dannflor · Sat Jul 17, 2021 10:02 pm

hey that's two in a row

Dannflor · Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:40 am

when you put it like that

Dannflor · Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:50 am

VOTE: manatee

Dannflor · Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:59 pm

In post 2614, The Resistance wrote:So I'm probably not reading much if anything tonight. Instead, I'll answer any questions fielded towards our slot within the next 30 or so minutes. (I'll answer them to the extent I am able.)
~Ircher

what's your favorite flavor of ice cream

Dannflor · Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:12 pm

I think you need a bigger block than that to win the game

Dannflor · Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:14 pm

I'm gonna get vigged or role copped or something sooner rather than later with the amount of suspicion on me

if i were scum that's not even required

Dannflor · Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:22 pm

im going to become the joker

Dannflor · Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:47 pm

to be fair it's also not one content repeated over and over again and why am i even typing it's time to stop

Dannflor · Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:53 pm

In post 2425, ManateeDude wrote:the large amount of holes in the case i guess. like i knew it wasnt a slip as claimed and also the fact people were buying into it uncritically

so what I'm gathering is that your response would have been very different if you perceived the case as less "holey?"

why do you assume people were buying into it uncritically? I mean as opposed to taking advantage of it or going along with it because scum, I feel like in your position with a case I perceive as faulty I'd be taking a hard look at some of the people piling on

Dannflor · Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:55 pm

you are very focused on defense manatee which feels

it feels like you're still soley focused on yourself and the fact that everyone suspects you for the wrong reasons (especially cabd)

but like you have 9 votes on you right now, who is doing what here because from your pov it's not 9 townies sussing you for wrong reasons

Dannflor · Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:58 pm

you can't win games by yourself

Dannflor · Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:58 pm

but you can win pagetops

Dannflor · Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:13 pm

In post 2680, ManateeDude wrote:as an aside i feel naturally obligated towards self defense bc reality is im not a great scumreader. why should i make cases towards other players being scum when most cant be convinced im town?

i perceived the wolf statement as the most holey and u can imagine how frustrating it was for me to make an offhand statement and have it miscontrued especially without taking into account my interactions with the slot i supposedly slipped on. i dont think without morphs statement ANYONE would pair me and vecna as buddies and this supposed slip relies on the theory that me and vecna r buddies which crumbles pretty quickly under scrutiny

I don't think it's particularly damning on its own either maybe you aren't actually buddies with vecna, but at this point the wagon is based on more than a theory that you are buddies with vecna

also it is a tiny little bit weird that apparently you've only used the word wolf twice on this website before this game

Dannflor · Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:14 pm

In post 2677, ManateeDude wrote:i since havent had time to dive into who i think is scum though i snapped onto morph pretty quickly.

honestly if you're town this is where I'd most like your energy

Dannflor · Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:15 pm

or at least who is town but misguided, stuff like that

seeing arguments over what is or isn't a slip isn't actually doing much for me

Dannflor · Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:43 pm

fine with that

doubt another wagon on me gives much information at this stage

Dannflor · Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:47 pm

i mean if there is a vig out there (which there better be considering the size of this game)

you don't have to worry about hitting a PR hitting me

and you make it so ythan can actually play the game

win/win

Dannflor · Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:49 pm

scum plan is an F3 featuring me and ythan lmao

Dannflor · Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:27 pm

only bear on the site

Dannflor · Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:21 am

VOTE: cheekyteeky

2 eliminations today btw

Dannflor · Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:31 am

In post 1, Cephrir wrote:On the first Day that begins with at least one mafia and at least one werewolf dead, there will be an additional elimination, should you choose to use it. The deadline will not change.

Dannflor · Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:36 am

only thing I got from echolocation iso is that she and unwnd didn’t feel aligned

although I disappreciate how soft their scum reads were on the other

Dannflor · Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:41 am

In post 2834, petapan wrote:dont think manatee sticks a partner that high in her townreads

is that specifically a meta read or just guessing what a werewolf would do

Dannflor · Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:43 am

In post 2005, ManateeDude wrote:Vecna i cannot for the life of me remember why i put so high but im gonna keep him here. just reread his iso and theres a lot of engagement and i like their willingness to have opposite opinions to widely townread players and i generally cannot understand why they've ended up so low on a lot of peoples reads

actually to be fair this does not read like a partner read

Dannflor · Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:52 am

In post 2844, Celestial Powerhouse wrote:BOOOM BADA BOOM BOOM BOOM!

Spoiler:

Dannflor · Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:53 am

In post 2843, unwnd wrote:I thought the day starting would leave me pumped and amped an excited but

I feel kinda bored if the scumteam is mostly slackers

Dunno

well we can speed through a couple today

Dannflor · Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:00 pm

i don't think taco has actually read much of the game

lots of fake bravado

the only thing i distinctly remember from them is saying my posts reeked of desperation

Dannflor · Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:10 pm

manatee's last reads list is interesting

for potential werewolf partners I immediately go to her two secondary town read tiers which include: anya, unwnd, taco, morph, kazyan, celestial, petapan, addicts

one pattern in her reads list is that she does a lot of "I think x because Y but they should probably be higher/lower. like she was constantly giving herself wiggle room on all of her reads. my eyebrow is raised a little at the taco and kazyan town reads a little because she had fairly specific reasons for town reading each of them (versus other reads of being like "can't quite remember but generally good stances) and then immediately undercut herself by saying that maybe they belonged a little lower

Dannflor · Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:11 pm

why can't i close my quotes properly time to go back to school

Dannflor · Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:13 pm

but for example the unwnd / vecna / morph town reads read very genuine because they are short, punchy, and without any specific reasoning

generally scum feels the need to have more specific reasons to town read people they know aren't town

Dannflor · Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:30 pm

In post 2883, mastina wrote:One which I won't share with the thread while you're alive since I'm thinking you're scum here.

you won’t be sharing information

…

While scum is alive

I see

Dannflor · Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:38 pm

so if echo was shot by werewolves i dont think she was shot because anyone was particularly threatened by her, someone just had a confident read on her

Dannflor · Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:53 pm

VOTE: cheekyteeky

Dannflor · Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:57 pm

lalala

Dannflor · Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:26 pm

oh my lord

Dannflor · Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:27 pm

pooky is town

Dannflor · Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:28 pm

VOTE: cheeky

Dannflor · Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:35 pm

Dannflor · Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:36 pm

vfp or taco are both fine

Dannflor · Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:37 pm

In post 2852, Dannflor wrote:lots of fake bravado

Dannflor · Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:42 pm

ftr I don't really think vecna is a wolf

Dannflor · Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:42 pm

VOTE: dgb

Dannflor · Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:44 pm

i can only think people are pushing pooky right now because they desperately need not-scum eliminations

Dannflor · Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:45 pm

In post 2852, Dannflor wrote:i don't think taco has actually read much of the game

Dannflor · Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:47 pm

In post 3013, Taco Hemingway wrote:I know town unwnd, they are too restrained wrt their town meta. that's my best vibe read for last mafia member here.

hot take for someone who hasn't read since two days before manatee got hammered

Dannflor · Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:49 pm

In post 3020, Taco Hemingway wrote:Why is unwnd town?

- his reads
- his general attitude towards the game being too easy
- his interactions with morph d1
- idk his posts
- the fact that unwnd is too good a player to be easily vibe meta read by someone who has barely been present this game

pick one

Dannflor · Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:50 pm

In post 3028, Taco Hemingway wrote:dann should understand that the most considering their slot would be dead d1 with a speedlim

dude I wanted my own slot dead for most of d1

i still really have no qualms with dying but at this point it would be really funny if we just kill all the mafia so i can see ythan have an aneurysm

Dannflor · Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:50 pm

it's really not worth it to town case unwnd for you

but if that's a serious push you want to have you're gonna have to back it up with something

Dannflor · Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:57 pm

you want to discuss what? your scum read on unwnd?

Dannflor · Wed Jul 21, 2021 2:02 pm

In post 3071, Taco Hemingway wrote:yeah what I noticed is that they are very much suppressed in tone whereas as town they have a much stronger flame. notably in how carefully they are navigating their reads and not particularly showing much aggression in contrast with town unwnd.

sure, but there is context to the subduedness unwnd is showing this game

unwnd was also much more flamey D1 but you weren't really around for that, or the times you were i don't think you really commented on unwnd?

Dannflor · Wed Jul 21, 2021 2:05 pm

I understand your frustration to an extent but it's hard to take in good faith someone who comes in with reads that lack a huge amount of context and expects to be taken at face value

Dannflor · Wed Jul 21, 2021 2:17 pm

whemestar is town

Dannflor · Wed Jul 21, 2021 2:18 pm

look if you want to talk reads or whatever just do it

but don't expect people to feed you content in real time because there's fucking 125 pages of game content already that you chose to skip out on

like... asking me about an unwnd town read that I have elaborated on several times through D1 is exhausting, just click my iso or something

Dannflor · Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:26 pm

UNVOTE:

Dannflor · Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:48 am

i have an unsettling lack of scum reads

Dannflor · Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:51 am

discourse around taco is yawn worthy

we can talk about them tomorrow

Dannflor · Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:53 am

I don't think their emotion or frustration is AI

they strike me as the type of player to use that frustration and emotion as either alignment

the claim just kinda means we can leave them for now - kind of a dumb move as either alignment, which also means it could come from either alignment, but I'd agree with someone's assessment I forget who that said tilt claims more likely come from town usually

but um otherwise there's not much to talk about regarding that slot today

Dannflor · Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:03 am

dgb is 100 times more lucid and towny sounding than I have ever experienced it being before as town

it's freaking me out

Dannflor · Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:10 am

In post 3565, Taco Hemingway wrote:
In post 3563, Dannflor wrote:dgb is 100 times more lucid and towny sounding than I have ever experienced it being before as town

it's freaking me out
its almost like

the slot is *town*

it's very different from my experience with DGB town

Dannflor · Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:12 am

In post 3567, Taco Hemingway wrote:i'm more or less at the edges of my scumrange in terms of emotional range, its still possible theoreticaly yes, but I am being honest in that I am notably uh... "nicer" or rather, my meanness tends to come off as fake. My last scum game i tried to fake mild "toxicity" several times. Its a difference that is one of the few reliable tells on me when trying to effectively sort me.

oh and @pooky you should know that

I don't really know who you are and if I did I don't think you're someone I know well enough to be able to meta read

I think in general it's very easy to read into the type of emotion you were displaying and say it's town, but a lot of the time it isn't. I'm not saying you are scum but I would encourage people to look more at your actions/read over that to read you

Dannflor · Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:14 am

In post 3570, Taco Hemingway wrote:you're like suggesting that they are actually able to naturally mimic town thought process as scum better than being actually town then like ?

mmmm not quite

it doesn't care at all about being transparent about its thought processes in my experience

granted, this could be affected by replacing into a wagoned slot

but it feels much more like... its trying to explicitly get town read rather than naturally playing and solving the game like it normally would

Dannflor · Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:19 am

its town games are like

enigmatic and mysterious and im watching them play 9 dimensional chess while im stuck on the material plane

Dannflor · Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:20 am

here its like

trying to be too uh... normal townie "look im sorting" type play

Dannflor · Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:52 am

pooky is a stuffed bear

no thoughts head empty

Dannflor · Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:01 am

where's that pagetop score

Dannflor · Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:02 am

I mean, consensus scum reads or inactive slots are always a good place to start?

Dannflor · Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:42 am

echo didn’t die because werewolves were threatened of her.