Final Fantasy XIV - A Realm Reborn Mafia (Game Over)

Toogeloo · Post Post #423 (isolation #0) » Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:05 pm

Friendly reminder that I won't be too play until Saturday. I haven't read anything and won't until then.

Toogeloo · Post Post #801 (isolation #1) » Sat Sep 18, 2021 7:46 am

I'm officially here and reading from Page 1. If anyone would like me to pay extra attention to particular points, or give me some things to consider while reading, I'd appreciate it.

Toogeloo · Post Post #805 (isolation #2) » Sat Sep 18, 2021 7:54 am

In post 2, GuyInFreezer wrote:* Stage 0 - Nothing happens
* Stage 1 - 2 days taken off of day deadline
* Stage 2 - Hostile factions members gain Multitasking modifier
* Stage 3 - Elimination costs one less vote (Not applicable in a MeLo/ELo)

There is nothing particularly scary in these Danger meters, other than possibly Multitasking late game. The other two can be easily managed by not being careless or inattentive.

In post 3, GuyInFreezer wrote:Success bonus for raid participants: gains 1-shot for applicable roles

Scum could possibly also have roles that are applicable (I assume this has been talked about).

I don't see any particular reason right away why raids would ever fail.

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Flavor speaking, depending on the setup, this could be multi-ball with Garleans and Beast Tribes as two separate scum teams, or there could be a Serial Killer if GiF made Lahabrea a solo third party in that manner.

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Starting actual reading of the game now.

Toogeloo · Post Post #828 (isolation #3) » Sat Sep 18, 2021 8:43 am

In post 14, Romance wrote:+Town points to Mom for joining raid first.

Why is this a town tell?

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Mastina's role seems a little too good to be true. If stopping raid success is important to scum, then she could be dead soon. However, if scum don't care about stopping the raid's success, this could just be an easy attempt at buying town cred. This raid has the benefit of being +1 to applicable roles, but other raids down the line are likely not going to be the same and mastina's role might lose strength as well, but might have curried enough favor with either faction to maintain her presence. In other words, I still need to be made a believer based on play or as we eventually uncover more of the setup, and not on claim alone.

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In post 105, Titus wrote:Btw, we should not have anyone from raid 1 go on raid 2.

In post 106, Titus wrote:Because scum either have to let raids succeed or give us information, we should not have overlap if it helps.

I'm not entirely sure this is a good idea. All this is suggesting is opening up the likelihood of scum being on raids regardless. It may be better to "vote" people into raids, though voting 8 people in seems a bit monumental of a task and a lot of time to be had. But really, the 8 people in the raid should almost all be people widely town read as best as we can get them.

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I like this mastina post better.

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Reads are in no particular order outside of their categories, and my reads are always fluid, based on my impression of the slot, and likely to change, especially on Day 1.

[T]
Bell
ArcAngel9
Mirio
RealCheeks
Elsa Jay
mastina

[N]
Whemestar
Save The Dragons
Head One and Head Two
dwlee99
tictac
Momrangal
Mystic Bears
Mandelbrot
Tomorrow Corporation

Titus
SirCakez
Qrow and Raven
Sakura Hana
Romance

(Through Page 10 so far)

Toogeloo · Post Post #839 (isolation #4) » Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:10 am

I very much like Mandelbrot's posts in the teens pages. There was a lot of discussion of alts and horseplay during this time, but House was all business here. I ended up skimming a lot of 11-20 because the discussion wasn't very serious. I went from liking to hating Elsa during this time though.

[T]
Bell
ArcAngel9
Mirio
RealCheeks
mastina
dwlee99
Mandelbrot
Mystic Bears

[N]
Whemestar
Save The Dragons
Head One and Head Two
tictac
Momrangal
Tomorrow Corporation

Titus
SirCakez
Qrow and Raven
Sakura Hana
Romance
Elsa Jay

Toogeloo · Post Post #847 (isolation #5) » Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:07 am

In post 516, Mystic Bears wrote:OK so Mastina claim problem, from the chaotically screwed up but mechanically functional mind of Flea.

Mastina's claim only gives us today as a solid success. Future raids are not locked in to be successful even with Mastina alive, I suspect the future raids will have different rewards.

So assuming today succeeds, I assume the mod has taken measures to prevent breakage of the game from this, and we only get say a maximum of 2 successes. Mastina's smart enough to not announce when the second shot is used, and can be on a raid that fails with plausible deniability.

Placing Mastina onto every raid to set a success removes a potential PoE tool for town.
A failed raid gives us a pool of 8 to hunt in, we know we have a minimum of at least 1 to find, and a pool of 8 is much better than a pool of 20+ even if we're looking for multiple. Mastina is a massive double edge sword here for this one reason.

Anyone townreading Mastina on claim credibility needs to step back and reassess if possible. Mastina's above null for me rn personally, but that's because I know she can powerwolf and there's something not sitting well with me with that firsts reads list.

Mastina doesn't need to use her ability to make a raid succeed I'm guessing, especially if confidence is high that most on the raid are town. This is why I postulated the idea that we "vote" the most town read players on to the raids. A raid failing that contains the most town read players outs deep wolves, which is a bonus. Having Mastina on raids though, whether she uses the ability or not can fux with scum through WIFOM if she is town. I don't think anyone should be on a raid though without receiving approval from multiple other players for being on the raid.

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In post 532, tictac wrote:ftr multiple sum factions being in a raid and disagreeing on success/fail would lead to undefined behaviour.
so glaring design flaw in the ruleset or this is in fact single ball.

I don't think this is the case. I think that scum would likely know this is multi-ball based on faction sizes, and even if they didn't, all this does is reveal to one scum team that another scum team exists.

In post 546, tictac wrote:second:
In post 2, GuyInFreezer wrote:
If at least one member of the hostile factions are in the raid group, the said member will decide whether the raid succeeds or fail.

pedit @qrow

The quoted text is ambiguous. It states "factions" which can be inferred that multiple hostile factions exists, and hostile factions aren't just hostile to town. In multi-ball, or third party setups, they are hostile to each other as well.

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In post 551, Mystic Bears wrote:I'm going to do phys hw

I've played too much FFXIV and read this as you were playing physical dps in Heavensward the first time I saw it.

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In post 602, Tomorrow Corporation wrote:How does one add a 1-shot to a VT?

This seems like a blatant attempt to get some town credit.

In post 715, Tomorrow Corporation wrote:tictac is mechanically town; just trust me on this one. I'll elaborate on day 4 so hold me to this.

In post 716, Tomorrow Corporation wrote:I am a pacifist so I will be opting to glare very menacingly at suspects to intimidate them into speaking.

Menacing glare at SirCakez

I will remove my vote before the hammer to stop any damages claims.

I don't even know what to make of your posts at this point.

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In post 736, Mystic Bears wrote:Actually, going to correct this slightly,

How many scum are usually in a game this size? 7?
That's still 7:21/1:3. Drop that down to a pool of 8 and it's still much much easier to look at a pool of 8 over a pool of 20

I mean, if we want to math... only 1 scum needs to be on the raid to make it fail. So 1 in 8 or 7 in 21? What's better odds of finding scum? That being said, I still continue to push for only having the most town read people in raids for as long as possible. Force scum to let the raid pass or expose themselves as a deep wolf.

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In post 748, SirCakez wrote:Dwlee is tonally town
mastina is vaguely town
Sakura is definitely town from what I very vaguely remember from her meta

Head One and Head Two have been posting a lot but I feel nothing from their posts. Scum probably?

Still reading

This comes from scum. Sakura is more than likely the partner here too.

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[T]
Bell
ArcAngel9
Mirio
RealCheeks
mastina
dwlee99
Mandelbrot
Mystic Bears
tictac
Head One and Head Two

[N]
Whemestar
Save The Dragons
Momrangal
Tomorrow Corporation

Titus
SirCakez
Qrow and Raven
Sakura Hana
Romance
Elsa Jay

(through page 30)

Toogeloo · Post Post #848 (isolation #6) » Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:19 am

In post 394, Elsa Jay wrote:You might also be feeling the fact I haven't played town in legitimately a year while a few months back I played 4 scum games in a row.

I don't know how to play town anymore.

In post 395, Romance wrote:Me either. I get it.

anyone else think this sort of reads like buddies?[/quote]I want to scum read you, then you say this. I have both as scum reads, and I doubt you double bus partners here.

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In post 818, Qrow and Raven wrote:Town
Mandelbrot, mastina, Mirio, Head One and Head Two
Mystic Bears, Sakura Hana, Romance, dwlee99, Bell
Save The Dragons, Titus, tictac, Whemestar
Elsa Jay, ArcAngel9, Tomorrow Corporation, Momrangal, Toogeloo
RealCheeks
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SirCakez
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Scum

this is approximately where I'm at reads wise, EJ shares space with my nulls but is there for mix of towny and scummy vs. being true null

-Qrow

Parsing your tier list, it looks like everyone is town except Cakez.

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Here is my final catch up Tier List.

[Town]
Bell
Mirio
RealCheeks
mastina
dwlee99
Mandelbrot
Mystic Bears

[Lean Town]
tictac
ArcAngel9

[Null]
Momrangal
Tomorrow Corporation
Head One and Head Two

[Lean Scum]
Save The Dragons
Whemestar

Titus
SirCakez
Qrow and Raven
Sakura Hana
Romance
Elsa Jay

Toogeloo · Post Post #849 (isolation #7) » Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:20 am

Those are in no particular order still.

Toogeloo · Post Post #851 (isolation #8) » Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:23 am

I'm not sure if the raid is locked, but my preference for attendees if they wish it are the people in my town reads first.

Toogeloo · Post Post #852 (isolation #9) » Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:24 am

In post 850, RealCheeks wrote:Hey toog, what's Archangel doing up there in your townread?

-R

This felt like a town slip...

In post 54, ArcAngel9 wrote:So Join Raid is only for applicable players? Is that said in role pm?

Toogeloo · Post Post #886 (isolation #10) » Sat Sep 18, 2021 1:04 pm

In post 879, Bell wrote:Has Toogaloo ever posted like this before?

You mean with lots of early reads, no claim out the gate, and trying to make intelligent decision on how to play the game?

Probably not.

Toogeloo · Post Post #889 (isolation #11) » Sat Sep 18, 2021 1:07 pm

Hey, I have a scum read on Romance.

Toogeloo · Post Post #916 (isolation #12) » Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:54 pm

In post 111, Qrow and Raven wrote:
In post 108, SirCakez wrote:
In post 33, Mirio wrote:I am not saying we should not do the raids. I am saying we should let the entire game check in first.
VOTE: mirio
This post gives me tonally gross vibes
given my experiences with games advancing the first step “too early” I agree that mirio’s approach feels a bit scum-motivated. I’ve been on both ends of a town win where a very early D1 scum elim put scum on the back foot for the rest of the game.
VOTE: Mirio

-Qrow

This is where I draw my scum read from your slot, Qrow/Raven. I liked Mirio's request for people to check in before locking in the raid party, and it should have been done. The primary reason you are here though is that you fed right into Cakez vote, which set off alarms for me as possibly trying to get a wagon going on a player who posited a logical and reasonable point of the game state. I felt it opportunistic, and was glad nothing eventually came from it, and more importantly, you attacked Mirio under the basis that they were trying to prevent an early D1 scum elim, when in fact they were trying to slow the game down for the raid formation.

Toogeloo · Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:25 am

In post 1020, Elsa Jay wrote:Now's a good time to say this I guess... But if someone genuinely needs the one shot more, me and probably at least one other can get off of it for you.

Did you think this through when you posted it?

Toogeloo · Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:26 am

In post 1008, Bell wrote:row/raven+ Toog+ wheme.
/:

Am I totally off?

This is spicy, tell me more.

Toogeloo · Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:27 am

In post 974, Romance wrote:I've had some weird fleeting thoughts about there being scum in Qrow/RealCheeks/Head1+2 and I don't know if it's because they're all hydras and there's weird dissonance from two people expressing themselves or what.

Titus would have a field day with these Rules of 3.

Toogeloo · Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:30 am

If

we can get people out of the raid, I don't think people should be claiming they can use the spot more. I
still think majority town reads should have precedent. However, if mastina is true, this is a gimme anyways, and putting the right people in the raid should start on Day 2.

Toogeloo · Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:32 am

The issue, Ali, is that you basically asked people to openly claim they have power so they can get in on the raid.

Toogeloo · Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:44 am

In post 1036, Elsa Jay wrote:People left the raid early on. So you can leave.

Besides. It's not like I'm giving up too much info about a role besides X-shot.

You are asking people who have x shot abilities to get on in your place. Paint a bullseye on their foreheads.

Toogeloo · Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:48 am

In post 1035, Sakura Hana wrote:what do you mean If.

I thought someone mentioned earlier that the raid had been hammered. If that was debunked, then it probably behooves us to alter the raid formation more favorably, but it's not entirely necessary today if the raid is guaranteed to succeed anyways.

Toogeloo · Post Post #1204 (isolation #20) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:30 pm

Is it just me that feels like 49 pages in like 4-ish days for a 21 player game actually isn't that bad?

Join Raid

as Tank.

Romance's posts remind me of something from

REDACTED

game. The difference here is that Romance isn't even in threat of being eliminated at the moment, and it feels very dramatic.

Are you going to have a meltdown every time discussion of your elimination comes up, Romance? Is this just a Day 1 thing?

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I'll be impressed if Wheme does a catch-up that doesn't sound like a skim read with no substance.

This is NAI of Wheme I think. In the few games I've played with Wheme, they always feel like a non-presence and float through the game.

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I need a vote count.

Toogeloo · Post Post #1209 (isolation #21) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:37 pm

In post 1207, WhemeStar wrote:
In post 1204, Toogeloo wrote:Join Raid as Tank.
Is this flavor or are you doing something here

Flavor.

Toogeloo · Post Post #1211 (isolation #22) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:39 pm

Good, you're less likely to kill Spiny that way.

Toogeloo · Post Post #1216 (isolation #23) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:49 pm

The only thing I don't like about Titus was her suggestion that the Raid Party change every day. Like I get that everyone wants their clears, but obviously the best tactic is to put the most town read people on the raid.

This raid is a gimme more than likely, but if next raid is like, "Winners are protected from death for the next night phase," or something, I don't want random people in the queue.

Toogeloo · Post Post #1220 (isolation #24) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:53 pm

@mod, I think Cakez left the Raid.

Bell, you still wanted on the raid. I think you should take Cakez spot if it is open, or take Elsa's if she is still offering it.

Toogeloo · Post Post #1230 (isolation #25) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:06 pm

If this raid doesn't matter, it's NAI to drop out or replace join.

Drip outs could be doing it for town points.

Participants should be more vetted going forward.

Toogeloo · Post Post #1502 (isolation #26) » Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:36 am

Does mom have a lurkscum meta? What's with the votes?

Toogeloo · Post Post #1504 (isolation #27) » Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:40 am

In post 1503, Save The Dragons wrote:Tomorrow Corporation looks pretty bad too

TC has been an oddity. Their posts seem to be mechanical, but with hitches of causing confusion. I don't think they've posted anything read related or interactions with other people. You think their low activity looks bad, or the content?

Toogeloo · Post Post #1505 (isolation #28) » Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:43 am

I ask that like I'm expecting a response from STD

Toogeloo · Post Post #1589 (isolation #29) » Wed Sep 22, 2021 3:45 pm

I've had my cat for 8 years now, love him to death, but he still looks at me like I'm the drunk step-dad coming home from the factory.

Toogeloo · Post Post #1590 (isolation #30) » Wed Sep 22, 2021 3:46 pm

Did anyone ever answer this, or am I blind?

In post 1502, Toogeloo wrote:Does mom have a lurkscum meta? What's with the votes?

Toogeloo · Post Post #1606 (isolation #31) » Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:00 pm

In post 1563, GuyInFreezer wrote:
VC 1.09
Titus (1):
Mystic Bears

Dwlee99 (1):
ArcAngel9

Tomorrow Corporation (1):
WhemeStar

These three votes are weird. Why do we have people trying to make these outlier votes? These people need to pick something popular, or amp up their motivation and push the reason a little more vocally. In particular, I feel like the Wheme vote on TC is both wasted and futile given the type of player Wheme is. They may as well not be voting at all.

Toogeloo · Post Post #1756 (isolation #32) » Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:47 am

In post 1679, WhemeStar wrote:Toog if you had a day shot who are u shooting

Qrow and Raven or Romance. A lot of players think they are scum, yet neither are in danger.

Toogeloo · Post Post #1759 (isolation #33) » Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:16 am

In post 1757, Qrow and Raven wrote:
In post 1756, Toogeloo wrote:
In post 1679, WhemeStar wrote:Toog if you had a day shot who are u shooting
Qrow and Raven or Romance. A lot of players think they are scum, yet neither are in danger.
Who are “alot”?

2 slots? And one of those isn’t even freaking recent.

~R

2 votes doesn't mean the only people who have called you scummy.

Toogeloo · Post Post #1762 (isolation #34) » Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:21 am

You want me to scour 71 pages and point out every time someone called you scummy?

Toogeloo · Post Post #1763 (isolation #35) » Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:21 am

I mean... I could.

Toogeloo · Post Post #1765 (isolation #36) » Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:27 am

What's

your

question?

Toogeloo · Post Post #1767 (isolation #37) » Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:30 am

Looks like a town to scum portfolio of players from least like to want to lim to most likely.

Toogeloo · Post Post #1769 (isolation #38) » Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:39 am

Sigh...

AA9 - I still think they town told early, and I haven't had issues with their play.

dwlee - obnoxious, standard dwlee play. Not town reading them, not scum reading them. Most likely to have left decent interactions to check back with after other flips have occured.

Cakez - Early scum read, though not a high priority. I'd support a Kim here if public majority favors it.

Titus - Kind of a non-presence even after V/LA ended, surprising for a prolific slot. I hard disagree with their opinion on how to handle filling raids going forward, and found them scummy for even suggesting it. Would lim today, sans a scan Titus is harder to lim in general though.

Toogeloo · Post Post #1771 (isolation #39) » Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:41 am

In post 1769, Toogeloo wrote:Kim

EBWOP: lim

I need to add "lim" to my phone's dictionary. I constantly have to keep my phone from auto correcting it.

Toogeloo · Post Post #1772 (isolation #40) » Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:43 am

Sure. Add Titus to my "I would Day Vig this right now," list. I just felt there were more people who would be happy to see a Q/R or Romance flip. Trying to pander to the crowd, y'know.

Toogeloo · Post Post #1775 (isolation #41) » Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:57 am

In post 1774, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1769, Toogeloo wrote:obnoxious, standard dwlee play
Ow

I mean that in the most loving way possible.

Toogeloo · Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:21 am

Pfft... Alts.

Toogeloo · Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:49 pm

I don't like the Elsa vote and disclaimer. Who's in the bubble to take mom's spot on the raid?

Toogeloo · Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:56 pm

Whatever, doesn't matter anyways. Let's move on to night.

VOTE: mom

Toogeloo · Post Post #2171 (isolation #45) » Sun Sep 26, 2021 7:06 pm

In post 1947, Head One and Head Two wrote:
In post 1590, Toogeloo wrote:Did anyone ever answer this, or am I blind?

In post 1502, Toogeloo wrote:Does mom have a lurkscum meta? What's with the votes?
Mom has a lurkscum meta

Lies.

VOTE: Titus

Fishing for even three names more than likely alerts scum to who has been caught. Why you bringing up these terrible ideas?

Toogeloo · Post Post #2173 (isolation #46) » Sun Sep 26, 2021 7:15 pm

I stand by my hammer yesterday, if anyone wants to flesh it out.

Game was a bit stagnant, we were on Day 10(?) and discussion about anything was pretty much done. No significant pushes against any player had been made. Mom hadn't posted in 2 days, and T3 backed up the fact she has a lurkscum meta. Half her votes came like 2 pages prior to end of day, someone put her at E-1 when E-2 is usually the holding ground, and then dwlee spazzed out with the extra votes on a lurk slot.

Seemed to me hammering was a good idea. If you disagree, you can blow it out your shorts

.

Toogeloo · Post Post #2178 (isolation #47) » Sun Sep 26, 2021 7:38 pm

In post 2174, WhemeStar wrote:Any hammer without a claim that’s not an hour before deadline is a bad hammer

And I'd say, making it out of Day 1 without a single claim other than mastina's in a 21 player game is pretty darn good. More so in that scum killed a VT last night.

Toogeloo · Post Post #2195 (isolation #48) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:04 am

In post 2193, RealCheeks wrote:Please don't let it be tictac.
-R

Would that mean your whole universe would implode upon itself and you would spend the remaining moments of the game rocking back and forth, slowly losing your mind from insanity?

Toogeloo · Post Post #2224 (isolation #49) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:27 am

I get the impression that there should have been a second kill last night and TC fished for the Doctor claim, I'm not entirely sure why they would do that unless they thought they were in danger.

I think that TC and Sakura should both claim their flavor, but just from the way the claim came out, I'm inclined to believe Sakura over TC. I've been playing FFXIV since 1.0, for 11 years, I feel like I'd be able to sort based on flavor. Not sure how many other players of the game we have here.

Toogeloo · Post Post #2226 (isolation #50) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:31 am

In post 2220, Elsa Jay wrote:we let Cake claim first before Romance reveals the damning evidence.

I agree let Cakez claim, but I really don't think Romance should claim. Let scum sweat.

Toogeloo · Post Post #2227 (isolation #51) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:32 am

If Cakez goes quiet, just Lim them. Still would like flavor (I only need the character name) from both TC and Sakura before EoD though.

Toogeloo · Post Post #2230 (isolation #52) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:37 am

That's... Pretty much the only character I would pick for Doc. An argument could be made for someone else, but I want to see if TC claims it.

Toogeloo · Post Post #2237 (isolation #53) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:46 am

GiF should have absolutely given scum safe claims. I would imagine at least one (or two) Scion(s) would be on the safe list.

Toogeloo · Post Post #2239 (isolation #54) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:48 am

In post 2234, Elsa Jay wrote:Does strong heal beat strong kill tho? Or strong block? I don't know that interaction

My guess is a Strong Willed Doc just can't be roleblocked. A Strongman still bypasses protection.

Toogeloo · Post Post #2289 (isolation #55) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:35 am

VOTE: Join Raid

Toogeloo · Post Post #2292 (isolation #56) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:57 am

Who are your top 8 raiders, regardless of whether they want on or not?

Toogeloo · Post Post #2650 (isolation #57) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:11 pm

Catching up, but this caught my eye...

In post 2362, Qrow and Raven wrote:
In post 1769, Toogeloo wrote:Sigh...

AA9 - I still think they town told early, and I haven't had issues with their play.

dwlee - obnoxious, standard dwlee play. Not town reading them, not scum reading them. Most likely to have left decent interactions to check back with after other flips have occured.

Cakez - Early scum read, though not a high priority. I'd support a Kim here if public majority favors it.

Titus - Kind of a non-presence even after V/LA ended, surprising for a prolific slot. I hard disagree with their opinion on how to handle filling raids going forward, and found them scummy for even suggesting it. Would lim today, sans a scan Titus is harder to lim in general though.
I think I want to revisit this with more recent developments in mind. What town tells did you notice early on from AA9? Why wasn’t Cakez a high priority for you?

-Qrow

I already linked it back on Day 1 with RealCheeks. One of their first two posts of the game seemed like a town slip to me.

Your second question is loaded, implying I should have known to put him as a higher priority. I had bigger scum reads, that's all you needed to know given my previous response.

Toogeloo · Post Post #2681 (isolation #58) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:42 pm

In post 2521, Elsa Jay wrote:Could we bring in the wording of "hostile FactionS" again?

There are different ways this setup could be done with the Flavor of FFXIV 2.0.

Possibilities include, but are not limited to...
-There could be a Garleans mafia team, and a Beastman mafia team, comprising 4-ish members each.
---This seems pretty unlikely mainly because the Beastmen don't really have prominent "NPCs" that affect the story element of the game, not like the Garleans, so it would be difficult to comprise a team of them.

-There could be a third party in Lahabrea.
---I'd like to think this to be probably most likely just strictly because it would be the most true to the lore. If Lahabrea is on the scum team, they probably should be wary of him /grin.

-Lahabrea and Garleans could be aligned, and there could be some filler Garleans outside the core four to fill a single mafia team with no secondary mafia team.
---The easy option. Put Lahabrea on the Garlean team. Fill it with Gaius, Livia, Nero, and Rhitahtyn, and a few goons in the shape of Garlean Soldiers or lesser named Garlean nobodies.

Toogeloo · Post Post #2689 (isolation #59) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:04 pm

K... putting on my setup solver hat here.

I might be completely off base, but I'm wondering if Tic Tac, H1/H2, and TC are the Eorzean Alliance Leaders.

TC

could

qualify as a doc-like to a very loose extent if they are

Kan-E-Senna.

She is the leader of Gridania, and functionally a White Mage.
Tic Tac and H1/H2

could

possibly be Rauhbahn (or Nanamo) and Merlwyb, the Eorzean Alliance leaders of Ul'Dah and Limsa Lominsa respectively.

This is just a huge guess on my part, and could easily be debunked by any of the three of them, however if they all feel like they know they are town together in some manner, this might be the reason why.

The only other way I might see a connection is if two of the three of them are Biggs and Wedge, and the third is Tataru or something. I don't remember if Jessie was in Garlond Ironworks in the 2.0 story.

That's enough of that for now. Food for thought.

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Liking Flea/Noraa less today. They are trying too hard on AA9, and I'm firmly in belief that slot is town. They've also been side-eyeing me heavily and I don't like it :p.

Toogeloo · Post Post #2691 (isolation #60) » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:32 pm

Am I really repeating it for the third time lol? I think they town slipped early.

Toogeloo · Post Post #2803 (isolation #61) » Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:25 am

In post 2783, RealCheeks wrote:I'll level cakes your responses aren't great. But I'd like to hear your clear. In the event Romance is scum it's 1 for 1 plus a confirmed clear with higher priority nk targets. Which is much more valuable to the town than a VT that doesn't get cleared and the hope is they eat a nk. Which is??? In the first place
-R

No. We aren't doing this.

Gegeruju is NOT an Ascetic Vanilla Cop. He's barely important in the story.

Toogeloo · Post Post #2804 (isolation #62) » Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:29 am

Cakes might be Scum Role Cop. We shouldn't be doing scum any favors and claiming any other roles willy nilly.

Toogeloo · Post Post #2806 (isolation #63) » Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:41 am

In post 2802, RealCheeks wrote:If cakes is scum none of what he says now matters (mostly) but scum him can just lie. It's worth hearing out what his check is but yes everything pre flip is with a grain of salt.

I'm not really interested in WIFOM.

VOTE: Cakez

Toogeloo · Post Post #2815 (isolation #64) » Tue Sep 28, 2021 7:04 am

In post 2788, Head One and Head Two wrote:My role interacts with the fact that Alisae is in the game under an alt
which is kinda ridiculous
but now Alisae is requesting a self ban
so wtf is going on
-T3

I'd like clarification on what T3 is saying here.

Toogeloo · Post Post #2913 (isolation #65) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 1:18 pm

VOTE: Tomorrow Corporation

VOTE: Join Raid

Toogeloo · Post Post #2915 (isolation #66) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 1:19 pm

Elsa Jay is town.

Toogeloo · Post Post #2918 (isolation #67) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 1:23 pm

I'm guessing H1/H2 was janitored?

Toogeloo · Post Post #2919 (isolation #68) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 1:23 pm

In post 2917, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 2916, Mandelbrot wrote:
In post 2915, Toogeloo wrote:Elsa Jay is town.
Duh.

I was responding to Qrow/Raven vote.

Toogeloo · Post Post #2927 (isolation #69) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 1:29 pm

My personal guess is that TC needed to get on the raid and claimed a doc as well in order to get there since Cakez was going to get eliminated and scum didn't want a strong cop and strong doc to get through.

Toogeloo · Post Post #2942 (isolation #70) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 1:55 pm

So here is the list of 8 people (other than myself) I want on this raid, in descending order.

Romance
Sakura Hana
mastina
Elsa Jay
Qrow and Raven
dwlee
Whemestar
Mandelbrot

This list is a combination of my strongest town reads and those who are almost entirely unlikely to be scum based off of Cakez play.

Toogeloo · Post Post #2943 (isolation #71) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 1:57 pm

Actually, move dwlee down below Mandelbrot.

Toogeloo · Post Post #2958 (isolation #72) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:12 pm

In post 2946, RealCheeks wrote:Toog are you assuming it's single ball?
~C

Only one kill a night seems to suggest so.

5 Scum, 16 Town is actually kind of normal I think.
Gaius
Livia

Nero

Rihtahtyn
Lahabrea

If the mod wanted to make thing interesting, Lahabrea might have an additional mechanic, but in 2.0 does work with the Garleans until he flips the script on Gaius.

Toogeloo · Post Post #2961 (isolation #73) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:14 pm

In post 2955, Mandelbrot wrote:Excuse me?

When's is townier than us?

I. Think. Not.

Unless you think Cakez was heavily bussing Wheme in the back half of Day 1. You're still on my list of town reads. Don't have a cow.

Toogeloo · Post Post #2965 (isolation #74) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:18 pm

In post 2962, Bell wrote:I kinda thought cakes was bussing Elsa tbh.

Elsa, Q/R, and Wheme all got pushed by Cakez to varying amounts. If any of these three is scum, it would still be foolish of them to lose town cred and cause a raid failure.

Toogeloo · Post Post #2967 (isolation #75) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:21 pm

Actually, the modifier simply just means their pool of killable players is limited.

Toogeloo · Post Post #2973 (isolation #76) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:25 pm

In post 2970, RealCheeks wrote:
In post 2967, Toogeloo wrote:Actually, the modifier simply just means their pool of killable players is limited.
Fine I guess. But I'm still not convinced there's just one shot a night.
~C

Then we've been lucky. A vig night exist, maybe a secondary scum kill, but as of this far, the game suggests single ball.

Toogeloo · Post Post #2977 (isolation #77) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:34 pm

I mean... I do agree 1 day lim, 1 night kill, the game is going to end up being fairly long at this rate. There's only 4 eight man raids in FFXIV 2.0.

Garuda
Ifrit
Titan
Ultima Weapon

If we start seeing other raids, Leviathan, Ramuh, Shiva, Gilgamesh, Chimera, Hydra, Steps of Faith... Then we exit 2.0 content.

Toogeloo · Post Post #2987 (isolation #78) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 3:14 pm

In post 2977, Toogeloo wrote:I mean... I do agree 1 day lim, 1 night kill, the game is going to end up being fairly long at this rate. There's only 4 eight man raids in FFXIV 2.0.

Garuda
Ifrit
Titan
Ultima Weapon

If we start seeing other raids, Leviathan, Ramuh, Shiva, Gilgamesh, Chimera, Hydra, Steps of Faith... Then we exit 2.0 content.

I need to amend this. Garuda, Titan, Ifrit, and Ultima Weapon are all 8 man

trials

in 2.0, there is actually 5 more 8 man

raids

in 2.0 in the form of The Binding Coil of Bahamut (labeled Turn 1 through Turn 5), so I guess technically there are 9 total eight man content in 2.0.

Toogeloo · Post Post #2996 (isolation #79) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:01 pm

There's too much confusion in regards to TC though. Let's not forget this...

In post 715, Tomorrow Corporation wrote:tictac is mechanically town; just trust me on this one. I'll elaborate on day 4 so hold me to this.

...and yet, TC claimed to be a Doc of sorts, so how does TC know that Tictac is mechanically town, and yet have a Doc Role? If TC can at least give us a Flavor Name to work with, I might understand, since as of right now, my assumption going into Night 2 was that TC, H1/H2, and TicTac were the three Eorzean leaders, and afaik, none of them denied it yesterday after I brought it up. If they are, then H1/H2's flavor role will at least be easy to figure out, but if not, then there needs to be an explanation on how the three are tied together with TC hard claiming only Tictac to be town (no mention of H1/H2), yet H1/H2 only believing it to be and including themselves in the bundle, and (afaik) Tictac having no opinion on the matter.

If we can solve the conundrum, and determine TC (and Tictac by virtue of TC's Day 1 claim) then I believe I might be swayed on to either Bell or RealCheeks as the most probably options for scum to fail the raid yesterday. I think it would need to be ironclad though, as of right now I can't see how TC can sow so much confusion with the various claims and still be town in light of an existing Doc in Sakura. So, again, at the very least, I would like a Flavor Name from TC.

Toogeloo · Post Post #3003 (isolation #80) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:18 pm

My Day 1 Bell town read has faded, tbqh. It was based on his well known, "scumBell is inactive, townBell is active," meta, and not anything more. Bell is in a swingy territory for me at the moment.

Toogeloo · Post Post #3008 (isolation #81) » Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:20 pm

Let TC own their fate and give all the necessary explanations.

Toogeloo · Post Post #3392 (isolation #82) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:26 am

Titus, watch out for Lahabrea. If you are who I expect you to be...

.

Why would H1/H2 know that Biggs and Kan-E are town through TC and TicTac? The two characters are unrelated. At this point I'm not even sure how mastina's plan to reveal the janitored player would even clear up any of the claims. TC has confirmed that their "clear" on TicTac is gut only.

TC has basically lied at least twice now. I want them no where near endgame. And I still support removing them, especially in light of the fact that mastina can't realistically prove TC town by revealing H1/H2. I just don't see it as possible.

The real head scratchers still are the kills. Neither Doc claim died, mastina who can guarantee raid successes hasn't died. Cop was at least blocked. Scum almost assuredly didn't know H1/H2's role since they had a Vanilla Cop, but now we just have to assume mastina can provide the info and not get faked out.

Things are just not lining up right still.

Toogeloo · Post Post #3397 (isolation #83) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:38 am

Adding to her claim diminishes her read for me, but out the gate Day 1, Post 1 claim was a strong town tell. That being said, it's easy for a scum player to openly claim, "I can guarantee a raid's success," hence the reason her addendum to her role claim has me now raising my eyebrow.

Toogeloo · Post Post #3399 (isolation #84) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:40 am

@Titus...

If you are Thancred, the logical choice for Tracker this game, then as part of the story of 2.0, your character gets possessed by Lahabrea, the primary villain and cohort of the Garleans.

Toogeloo · Post Post #3400 (isolation #85) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:42 am

It was just a cheeky response, and made in jest. I would really hope that Lahabrea can't actually possess you lol.

Lahabrea might make for a good Janitor though.

Toogeloo · Post Post #3406 (isolation #86) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:27 am

I think at the very least, allowing mastina to recover the janitored body is non-negotiable and should happen. That doesn't really seem up for debate anyways. But I do think mastina should weigh in on if the recovery even affects TC as much as she previously thought it would, or if we are just doing it to know H1/H2 at this point.

Like the whole foundation of arguments for and against a TV elimination should have just evaporated away after TC admitted to lying twice. LAL doesn't seem to get upheld too often these days, and I suspect with the lines being drawn from a lot of players, that they are willing to let TCs lies slide, which personally I'm not cool with, and as mentioned I want them no where near end game without a HARD clear. TC, if town, is practically sabotaging our performance.

We should absolutely settle the raid first and foremost today.

Toogeloo · Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:33 am

VOTE: Leave Raid

Toogeloo · Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:35 am

Now there is no excuse it should fail. However, I think the people with highest chance of dying tonight should now be on the raid. I'll let you all mince that out. I gave my list at the beginning of the day.

Toogeloo · Post Post #3651 (isolation #89) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:12 pm

In post 3450, Mandelbrot wrote:Between their flavor knowledge and your moon logic, it just might get us somewhere.

In post 3461, mastina wrote:tictac is tied to TC, so not there.

TC lied about TicTac though. This is no longer credible. You'd have to bank TicTac being town specifically on H1/H2's flip, which also makes no sense since neither of TC or TicTac's characters are tied together, so whatever H1/H2 is shouldn't be able to mechanically sort the both of them.

In post 3492, Elsa Jay wrote:Who said there's 5 scum?

I know you are trying to possibly hit mastina with this, but I specifically stated that a single ball game might have exactly 5 scum and 16 town. I've seen a few 21 player games with that spread including something recently in signups. There also just happens to be exactly 4 main Garleans and 1 main Ascian antagonist in 2.0's story.

In post 3496, Sakura Hana wrote:So are there multiple town factions too?

I think we're being too literal in attempting to solve setup. By the story standards of FFXIV, there are 3 town factions (Gridania, Limsa Lominsa, and Ul'dah) as well as neutral benefactors in the Scions of the Seventh Dawn (which is where I would say the predominant amounts of our PRs are located). Hostile Factions include Garleans, Ascians, and Beastmen, though I think in this particular game the Beastmen are trimmed out as we battle their Primal Dieties in these daily raids.

In post 3510, Elsa Jay wrote:I know I'm town so if it means anything, I'm a cute weird pointed ear girl named Momodi

Adventurer Guild representative of Ul'Dah. She has a decent amount of screen time in the story since you deal primarily with her early on to get your work requests and progress the story. She makes a few appearances later in the story as well, at a more minor role. I would absolutely bet my life in this game that at least one or more of the three Adventurer Guild representatives are in this game (Momodi, Baderon, and Miounne), however their role in the story is the exact same, just copy/pasta depending on the player's starting city choice. If it's a fake claim, it is far better than Gegeruju.

In post 3612, Bell wrote:Yeah, I know Gif likes to troll, which is why I didn't immediately exclude the possibility of 2 doctors.

It should have been a red flag to have two doctors and a inventor giving out Commuters every night though.

Toogeloo · Post Post #3652 (isolation #90) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:23 pm

Hard Town:

Titus, Sakura Hana, Romance

Strong Town:

mastina, Qrow and Raven, Mandelbrot

Soft Town:

Elsa Jay, Whemestar, dwlee99

On the Bubble / My PoE:

Bell, ArcAngel9, Tomorrow Corporation, RealCheeks, Save The Dragons, tictac

My reads list as of right now. Soft Town is either by play (dwlee), or because of Cakez pushes on them on Day 1 (Elsa, Wheme). I want to believe Elsa's claim as well, and so I am less inclined to eliminate that slot today. My preferable lims are the on the bottom line, though I am willing to wait on tictac and TC today.

Toogeloo · Post Post #3670 (isolation #91) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:59 pm

In post 3656, RealCheeks wrote:Toog why have we moved down into your PoE group and Elsa has moved up?
~C

Pretty much just PoE at this point. My reads have changed quite a bit since Day 1.

I'm inclined to give Elsa a soft town read due to Cakez putting up several offensives to get Elsa eliminated on Day 1. Bussing might be possible, sure, but I'm wagering this slot as more likely town than scum. Plus, I liked their claim.

Sadly, you fall in the PoE because of Raid shenanigans and not having as large of a town footprint after day 1.

Toogeloo · Post Post #3696 (isolation #92) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:54 am

In post 3695, Bell wrote:I am scared of being wrong though.
Esp. RE: Mystic.

Who says this?

Toogeloo · Post Post #3699 (isolation #93) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:03 am

Why are you scared?

Toogeloo · Post Post #3701 (isolation #94) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:06 am

You've been wrong before, I assume. Are you always scared?

Toogeloo · Post Post #3703 (isolation #95) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:08 am

Just seems weird to be afraid to have a stance.

Toogeloo · Post Post #3704 (isolation #96) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:10 am

You're basically asking someone to make decisions for you because you have no backbone. Of course, you could just be fence sitting and trying to avoid having convictions as well.

Toogeloo · Post Post #3708 (isolation #97) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:19 am

Ok. Sure. I believe you.

Toogeloo · Post Post #3771 (isolation #98) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:33 pm

VOTE: Bell

I don't Stan the Elsa lim.

Toogeloo · Post Post #3777 (isolation #99) » Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:02 pm

In post 3776, Qrow and Raven wrote:I’m not touching Bell wagon. Like how is he remotely similar here to either Pooky v FL or Happy Face? I’m not seeing it.

~R

Are you seriously suggesting Bell is incapable of changing his meta? And aside from that fact, what exactly has Bell done after Day 1?

Toogeloo · Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:09 pm

First statement is just to debunk meta as an argument. The weight of my position lies in your contributions as the game has progressed.

Toogeloo · Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:23 pm

In post 3785, Bell wrote:I guess my question to you Toog is why me? When there are a bunch of other players that have done significantly less but you’re giving a pass to?

I've been told TC is off the table today. TicTac as well. I don't think Elsa is scum for reason I outlined earlier, and I am only interested in pushing in my PoE. Of those in my PoE that are actually getting support, it's you.

Give me someone other than Elsa (or anyone outside my PoE for that matter). Convince me that someone in my PoE is where I should be that isn't you.

Toogeloo · Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:34 pm

In post 3798, Bell wrote:No. If you’re town, the only reason you need is that I’m town.
I’m not a monkey that performs for you based on your arbitrary hoops.

And it's your job to make me feel like your town, so arbitrary hoops might be part of the job description.

Toogeloo · Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:38 pm

In post 3802, Bell wrote:You’re voting town when there’s a bunch of other options.

Am I?

Toogeloo · Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:42 pm

Toogeloo · Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:36 pm

No one knows my scum game. It's a blue moon occurrence that bites you in the ass when you let your guard down.

Toogeloo · Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:38 pm

In post 748, SirCakez wrote:Dwlee is tonally town
mastina is vaguely town
Sakura is definitely town from what I very vaguely remember from her meta

Head One and Head Two have been posting a lot but I feel nothing from their posts. Scum probably?

Still reading

Titus. Opinions on this post by Cakez? It's kind of Rule of Three-sey? Maybe?

Odds all three listed as town are town?

Toogeloo · Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:41 pm

I'm having another look at SirCakez iso atm.

Toogeloo · Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:13 pm

I might be wrong on Elsa...

I wish I was at a PC because this might be easier to reason out.

---

In post 742, SirCakez wrote:
In post 131, RealCheeks wrote:TELL THEM TO TURN OFF CAPS IT'S CASE SENSITIVE.
~C
lmao
In post 138, Elsa Jay wrote:I'm finally here after a month of waiting. Neat.

Join Raid
Cuz I wanna participate in the raid too.

Reading the line "success bonus" on the raid description below the VC implies that scum don't necessarily want to always stop town from succeeding if they benefit too.

For all we know garunteeing a raid is actually a bad thing if the prize is first come first serve and they want the rewards. So honestly I wanna say early role claim is bad. It could just be a powerful scum wanting more use of their ability.

VOTE: Mastina

Follow my wisdom anytime, friends.
what the hell is this post even saying?

VOTE: elsa jay

Mentions and votes Elsa here.

---

In post 774, SirCakez wrote:
In post 387, Momrangal wrote:VOTE: romance

Heres a great place to start a scum read.

Mirio is also a fantastic choixe5
mindmeld
are you actually town this time
In post 394, Elsa Jay wrote:You might also be feeling the fact I haven't played town in legitimately a year while a few months back I played 4 scum games in a row.

I don't know how to play town anymore.

In post 395, Romance wrote:Me either. I get it.
anyone else think this sort of reads like buddies?

States Romance might be buddies with Elsa here, which also seems like the last time Cakez mentions Elsa.

---

In post 1114, SirCakez wrote:I still have a few more pages to go but I am going to end up here

VOTE: Romance
literally nobody townreads this person and multiple people have spoken of suspicions here. I really fucking hated that post I quoted where they claimed they were obvtown but did jackshit.

Switches his vote off Elsa earlier to H1/H2 before settling here when Romance was getting a lot of pressure. And afaict, I actually didn't see him bring Elsa's name back up at all. He spends thmajority of Day 1 in a feud with Qrow & Raven. He name drops Wheme several times, but doesn't do very much pushing on there. I could be wrong on that read as well. He sheep's dwlee eventually and places a vote on Wheme but eventually puts his vote on Qrow & Raven, which is well after Romance's wagon died out and mom's was starting to pick up.

---

I think the take away I'm getting here is that Cakez actually didn't push for Elsa as much as I thought. He made a few idle comments in regards to Wheme, but never made a serious push there. He spent quite a bit of time trying to get in the pockets of dwlee and Mandelbrot, but that's on a cursory glance. His biggest pushes were Mirio, Romance, and Q&R.

---

I liked Elsa's claim, but something I started thinking about tonight was questioning whether or not we would have more than one Adventurer's Guild representative in the game, because I happen to know that Baderon is in the game and he is also an Adventurer's Guild rep. Baderon is more important if the player starts in Limsa, Momodi is more important if the character starts in Ul'Dah. Both have minor roles in the game after the player leaves their starting city. They could both be in the game, but I only know for sure that Baderon is in the game.

Bell's behavior feels more genuine in hindsight as I type this post out. Elsa mostly feels like he is manages just enough to be a presence.

---

On my reread of Cakez iso, I might have swayed my own opinions on who might be scum. I'm going to sleep on it.

Toogeloo · Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:00 pm

In post 3955, Sakura Hana wrote:This game is kinda boring rn

I think it's about to get exciting.

Toogeloo · Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:18 pm

What's your info Elsa?

Toogeloo · Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:18 pm

Or "juicy gossip?"

Toogeloo · Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:42 pm

Elsa is scum because Momodi is a Vanilla Townie at best. There is no information to share.

My hero solve as of this very second is Elsa, Wheme, Mystic Bears, and Mandelbrot (my deep wolf pick).

I think Mystic Bears needs to exit the raid and Qrow and Raven needs to be on it.

Toogeloo · Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:43 pm

UNVOTE:

Toogeloo · Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:57 pm

In post 4004, Mandelbrot wrote:
In post 4001, Toogeloo wrote:I think Mystic Bears needs to exit the raid and Qrow and Raven needs to be on it.
Ohellno.

Chances of them getting night killed is close to zero. Chances of them getting off the raid is probably the same. Whatever.

VOTE: Elsa

Toogeloo · Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:36 pm

My reread of Cakez last night, and something a little more dynamic in regards to my personal knowledge of flavor. Elsa toying with "info" today sealed it though.

Toogeloo · Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:37 pm

I did vote Elsa.

Toogeloo · Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:40 pm

In post 4016, Mandelbrot wrote:
In post 4011, Bell wrote:Stan is another way of saying “fan”
So he isn’t a fan of the Elsa Lim.
The guy that's, like, voting Elsa now, wasn't a fan of the Elsa lim earlier this day... when Elsa's play hasn't been any different than when Toog didn't want his lim...

- House

Call it an epiphany.

Toogeloo · Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:24 pm

In post 3925, GuyInFreezer wrote:Elsa Jay (5): mastina, tictac, Tomorrow Corporation, Romance, Sakura Hana

In post 3993, Titus wrote:VOTE: Elsa Jay

In post 4006, Toogeloo wrote: VOTE: Elsa

In post 4017, RealCheeks wrote: VOTE: Elsa

In post 4042, Mandelbrot wrote:VOTE: Elsa Jay

That's hammer, no?

Toogeloo · Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:09 am

-Romance... What is your Flavor name?
-Why is Wheme being largely ignored, like, this entire game?
-21 players with 1 kill a night still feels weird.

Toogeloo · Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:20 am

Q&R is still one of my strong town reads.

I have other thoughts, but now is not the time to share them, but I started with those 3.

Toogeloo · Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:28 am

Based on both Cakez and Elsa's claims beyond their flavor name, I have a suspicion scum don't know the flavor very well and how to construct a believable claim. I think GiF gave them a list of safe names, but the scum team has to construct their own claim, and no one on the team is capable of that.

Toogeloo · Wed Oct 06, 2021 3:24 pm

In post 4410, Mandelbrot wrote:I probably did, back when I was moonlogicking mastina being scum using scum's ability to pass/fail raids and role knowledge for janitored kills that the Janitor gets.

If you think about it, she's literally claiming scum power. It's enough to make a body paranoid.

I concur I had these thoughts. I'm not over them either since we were promised that mastina's ability would make H1/H2's flip public, and we literally took two people out of discussion over it.

I also do not think we should be failing this raid. I very much would prefer scum never gain the ability to multi-task, regardless of their roles.

My opinions for the raid makeup are:
Romance
Sakura Hana
Bell
Mastina
Qrow and Raven
---
dwlee99
Save The Dragons

Below the line I have the less confidence, but still stronger town reads than the rest of the PList. 8th slot I'd prefer myself, but reaching the bottom of the barrel for PoE, I'm thinking Tomorrow Corporation might be a possibility of safe choice too.

I don't think a mass claim is necessary. We currently have 4 townies for every 1 scum.

Toogeloo · Wed Oct 06, 2021 3:34 pm

In post 4431, Mandelbrot wrote:So you can understand where I'm paranoid about mastina, but don't want me on the raid?

If I'm scum, why would I be paranoid of mastina? Why would I make her claimed roles being scum abilities even higher visibility?

I don't get your logic.

I have been flip flopping on you all day while I was at work. I still feel extremely suspicious of how you fought tooth and nail about Elsa being town yesterday, and then joined the wagon after I outed that he had to be a VT. I put you in my hero solve, but those are generally inaccurate.

I concur that I had those thoughts, but that doesn't mean we are on the same page or buddies. Tin foil hat club is not a thing

.

Toogeloo · Wed Oct 06, 2021 3:44 pm

In post 4435, Mandelbrot wrote:Did you space my explanation on that?

No, from what I gathered, you thought he was a PR or something, and you felt misled by it. I mean, the moment I shot down any PR possibility from that character, it would need to be abandoned.

I'm not hard-licking you as scum, but I can't remove you from my PoE either. Anyone not on my raid list probably has good reason not to be there.

Toogeloo · Wed Oct 06, 2021 3:45 pm

In post 4436, Toogeloo wrote:hard-licking

hard locking... Definitely meant hard locking.

/ahem...

Toogeloo · Wed Oct 06, 2021 3:53 pm

I'm good with eliming MB today.

Toogeloo · Wed Oct 06, 2021 3:54 pm

We sort the raid first though.

Toogeloo · Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:11 pm

In post 4463, Dwlee99 wrote:Wtf was the point of being able to reveal a janitor but not a roleswap

My thought exactly. Like, you have a role that reverses a janitor, but not a role swap, but surprise the janitor is combined with the role swap. So what exactly was the point?

We still have a 4:1 town/scum ratio atm, and it's not worth even debating right now, but even you have to see the coincidences here lol.

If you tell me your character name, I'll confirm whether your role seems credible. There are maybe 2 characters I can think of with your role.

Toogeloo · Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:11 pm

In post 4501, Toogeloo wrote:If you tell me your character name, I'll confirm whether your role seems credible. There are maybe 2 characters I can think of with your role.

@mastina

Toogeloo · Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:16 pm

I would rather you were on the Raid Sakura. If you suspect at all this raid fills up, it needs to have the most town read players on it. If it fills and succeeds with the strongman on it, then we just invited them to take it.

Assuming the pattern stays the same, strong-willed is the next raid, and we want that succeeding for scans. We absolutely don't want scum getting to multitasking.

Toogeloo · Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:16 pm

In post 4504, Mandelbrot wrote:
In post 4502, Toogeloo wrote:
In post 4501, Toogeloo wrote:If you tell me your character name, I'll confirm whether your role seems credible. There are maybe 2 characters I can think of with your role.
@mastina
Just curious... did you pick up what I was laying down, earlier?

I'd guess not, unless you're also familiar with FFXI.

- House

I did.

Toogeloo · Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:17 pm

And yes, I also played FFXI for about 6 years. Not quite as long as XIV, but I know to what you are referring.

Toogeloo · Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:20 pm

There is a character named Tataru in FFXIV, a lalafell, though her name is akin to the Tarutaru race in XI. And yes, I am familiar with Tataru.

Toogeloo · Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:23 pm

You basically advertised it yourself anyways. Taru is not a very subtle hint lol.

Toogeloo · Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:00 pm

In post 4515, mastina wrote:
In post 4502, Toogeloo wrote:
In post 4501, Toogeloo wrote:If you tell me your character name, I'll confirm whether your role seems credible. There are maybe 2 characters I can think of with your role.
@mastina
Technically, my character doesn't have a name.

Does that narrow it down for you?

Are you seriously claiming the Warrior of Light?

Why do I feel like I need to put on another tinfoil hat?

Toogeloo · Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:03 pm

So for those not in the know, if mastina is claiming what I think she is claiming...

The Warrior of Light is the Player Avatar in FFXIV.

Toogeloo · Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:16 pm

Meh... Not really. I mean, yeah, if the player doesn't want to play through the story. I think the nagging at the back of brain is would the WoL actually be in this game? FFXIV does have a generic WoL that is used in cinematics for the title screen and launch promos, and to be fair, the WoL is the primary driving force of the story since it's, well, the player. Not either of the names I would have guessed mastina to pick, and she hasn't confirmed it either, but technically plausible since if there is any one character in the game that would actually succeed in raiding, it would be the player lol.

Toogeloo · Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:17 pm

That was in response to Mandelbrot's 3P suggestion.

Toogeloo · Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:24 pm

Honestly, I'm willing to just leave that all alone for now. I'm more than happy to Elim some easy PoEs today in either Wheme, ArcAngel, Mystic Bears, those kind of slots.

@mastina... In the sense of the game, there is only ONE Warrior of Light. All other players that are not you are considered Adventurers. So for purpose of story telling and game building, there would be only one WoL.

Toogeloo · Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:24 pm

Going through Elsa's iso, I found this...

In post 277, Elsa Jay wrote:
In post 270, RealCheeks wrote:Elsa/Titus scum imo.
- C

In post 272, RealCheeks wrote:Elsa is ok today. I agree on Titus though

-R
This is why I'm bad with Hydras. I always set one of them off. Bleh.

Forgive my insolence Cheeky.

Do hydrae usually have dissonance with scum partners? I kind of want to award town points to RC here.

Toogeloo · Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:35 pm

In post 4536, mastina wrote:That everyone would be a Warrior of Light, just with their jobs/classes/etc. being different between them, since I know that you can have different jobs/classes/etc. that serve various different functions.

I would totally play a Job System FF Mafia game lol.

Seriously, don't mess with my FF knowledge. I have been a fan since I played the first Final Fantasy on my NES back on Christmas Day in 1987.

Toogeloo · Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:41 pm

In post 4543, Mandelbrot wrote:
In post 4539, Toogeloo wrote:
In post 4536, mastina wrote:That everyone would be a Warrior of Light, just with their jobs/classes/etc. being different between them, since I know that you can have different jobs/classes/etc. that serve various different functions.
I would totally play a Job System FF Mafia game lol.

Seriously, don't mess with my FF knowledge. I have been a fan since I played the first Final Fantasy on my NES back on Christmas Day in 1987.
What did you think of Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest?

Story is pretty good, actually. Obviously an easy game though, almost impossible to struggle on it since it was designed to gain interest in RPGs.

Toogeloo · Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:46 pm

I'm so much of a FF fan, I legally changed my first name to that of one of the characters in FF6 in 2006, and I named my daughter after a character from FF12.

Toogeloo · Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:14 am

If we are trying to make mastina solo pass this raid, maybe ask if mastina has the ability to do so.

Toogeloo · Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:23 am

Yes. Gaius is the head honcho Garleans Invader of this game. Assume StD is being snarky and not openly claiming scum.

Toogeloo · Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:24 am

We have 3 Garleans remaining.

Gaius
Livia
Rihtahtyn

Toogeloo · Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:58 am

What do you think of my reasoning here?

In post 4534, Toogeloo wrote:Going through Elsa's iso, I found this...

In post 277, Elsa Jay wrote:
In post 270, RealCheeks wrote:Elsa/Titus scum imo.
- C

In post 272, RealCheeks wrote:Elsa is ok today. I agree on Titus though

-R
This is why I'm bad with Hydras. I always set one of them off. Bleh.

Forgive my insolence Cheeky.
Do hydrae usually have dissonance with scum partners? I kind of want to award town points to RC here.

Toogeloo · Thu Oct 07, 2021 8:00 am

Also, opinions on the most ignored player in the game, Whemestar?

Toogeloo · Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:14 am

In post 4604, WhemeStar wrote:Think about in game lore you can't beat a raid without a full fuckin group

Undersized Party is a thang.

Toogeloo · Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:20 am

Mastina needs to verify that she even has the charges to solo a raid, and then has to verify with the mod she even can.

Either of those is a no, we need to put town reads on the raid.

Toogeloo · Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:45 am

This raid doesn't fail regardless of who is on it. Scum is behind. They aren't going to draw more attention to themselves.

Toogeloo · Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:44 pm

Mastina being 3P is tinfoil, even more so than Mafia aligned mastina. We aren't liming her unless we have exhausted Mafia scum options. Don't go diving down the rabbit hole yet people. We have plenty of scummy people out there to elim still.

Toogeloo · Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:48 pm

I also think we are wasting time with the raid. If you are in the universal town reads, please get back on. As long as RC and MB stay off, it's fine.

Toogeloo · Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:26 pm

VOTE: Join Raid

Toogeloo · Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:29 pm

I told you, I had an epiphany.

Toogeloo · Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:30 pm

Short answer, I came around to the unlikeliness of two Adventurer Guild reps in the game based on a hunch.

Toogeloo · Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:36 pm

So much posteses.

In post 4979, Sakura Hana wrote:i dont see any reason for the roleblocker to be in day 1 raid tho.

I would like to believe that the scum blocker likely avoids raids in order to not present themselves as a target. So for that reason I want more pressure on Wheme or Arc. Strongman might be limited shot, but it doesn't necessarily equate to 1-shot, or they could be odd-night even. There is a lot of protection in a doc, commuter and BP raids. This might be a rabbit hole worth exploring later, but for now just keep it in the back of our minds.

I think there has been a lot of petty squabbling and some slots feel as if their honor has been tainted. Can we maybe tone that noise out a bit?

---

In post 5032, mastina wrote:On that note, what do you think of ""Final Fantasy"" Legend I/II/III (which was really SaGa 1/2/3 but released as Final Fantasy Legend because Final Fantasy was popular at the time and nobody knew about SaGa)?

The third was genuinely, up with Chrono Trigger, THE game that left the biggest influence on me as a kid. (I literally became a writer because of "Final Fantasy" Legend III aka SaGa 3.) To this day, it remains one of my favorite games of all time, tho I still like the second game.

I played quite a bit of the Gameboy stuff in high school. I didn't care so much for these entries due to weapons and such having limited usage, but I think of all the entries I liked Final Fantasy Adventure, which wasn't the same (obviously) as the Legends entries.

As for CT, it is amazing, but shockingly during that same era, my non-FF Square fix was Secret of Mana. I didn't really grow to respect CT til much later in life.

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I'd very much like pressure on Wheme or Arc. Which has more votes (if any)?

Toogeloo · Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:37 pm

I mean I'm seriously at the point where anyone actually posting, I want them to stay alive.

Toogeloo · Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:41 pm

VOTE: ArcAngel

Toogeloo · Thu Oct 07, 2021 8:06 pm

Mastina basically spewed my thoughts as well.

Toogeloo · Fri Oct 08, 2021 4:09 am

In post 5113, Mystic Bears wrote:Toog, did my message come across? Yes or no will suffice.

I skimmed most of last night's posts due to how many pages we were getting. That said, I kind of wish people would stop trying to crumb the character name and expect me to clear them for it. Remember that I liked Momodi at first until they had claimed power and I had another thought that they probably weren't in the game.

On a reread of your iso from the past 24 hours, I think I found your crumb though, though you EBWOPed it next post, so maybe?

Toogeloo · Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:46 am

Papalymo is a Scion of the Seventh Dawn, like Thancred, Y'shtola, and Urianger, our PR claims and flips.

Mystic Bears, whom I suspect claimed Yda is also a Scion of the Seventh Dawn, and is Papalymo's partner. Like I would go so far as to make them Masons if I were guessing at it.

However, Arc claims Papalymo is a VT, and I didn't get confirmation from Bears that they are Yda, unless I missed it. I wouldn't want to continue out guessing the mod (I've already done it several times this game) and say that Papalymo as a VT would be a lie, but that's .y current take.

I am certain that the mod would have put some Scions on the safe list.

Yda and Papalymo aren't hard locked as Masons either, just something I would have totally bought if it had been claimed. Yda is a ditzy Monk, Papalymo is an intelligent Thaumaturge and student of Loiusoux (a character who serves as an important plot device that transitions 1.0 to 2.0, is the grandfather of the twins Alphinaud and Alisaie, and has a minor role in an end game dungeon of 2.4). Yda and Papalymo are attached to the hip throughout all of FFXIV through 3.5.

Toogeloo · Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:49 am

At any rate, all of that is me saying Papalymo is an important character, not likely a VT, but out-guessing the mod beware.

If Bears is also scum and using a Yda safe claim, and Papalymo is a safe claim, the two names could have been listed purposely for Mason fake claims.

Alternatively, one of the names could be a fake claim for scum and the other in the game so to punish flavor solving.

Toogeloo · Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:51 am

Quick correction...
Yda is a pugilist, not a monk. Scions in 2.0 are all classes and not jobs.

Toogeloo · Fri Oct 08, 2021 11:13 am

In post 5265, RealCheeks wrote:Nanamo Ul Namo
~C

Similar claim to tictac's Kan-E-Senna. They represent similar characters.

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As a note, besides the power claim Elsa made, I felt it unlikely that there would be two Adventurer Guild representatives. I stated earlier that I would be my life in the game that one existed (between Momodi, Baderon, and Miounne). I also stated I knew for fact that Baderon was in the game. This is because I am Baderon, and my epiphany was that I believe from a narrative standpoint, only one rep should be in the game. That same standard isn't necessarily true of the Eozean leaders. However, like the Scions, I fully expect at least one on the safe list.

Toogeloo · Sun Oct 10, 2021 8:08 pm

VOTE: Join Raid

---

-I'm fine with a neighborhood with mastina.

-How many unclaimed do we have left where Mass Claiming might as well happen?

-Mystic Bears needs to claim today. There isn't a universe that exists where they get killed before literally everyone else being town read, and I can't possibly imagine what role they have that is so good it only works to our benefit the further in the game we get.

-Wheme, MB, and RC are all fine elims today. I have no preference.

-tictac and RC have both claimed Eozean Leaders. Unlike Adventurer Guild reps, a case that multiple leaders exist in the game can be made.

HOWEVER

, Nanamo's role in 2.0 is extremely small in comparison to Raubahn, her General, as a representative of Ul'Dah leadership. Nanamo as a VT makes sense, but she is in very little of 2.0's story and plays a much bigger part in 2.5 and beyond. Kan-E-Senna has more screen time, and seems more plausible to be in game. Again, this is out-guessing the mod territory. Papalymo as a VT wasn't something I would expect, so keep that in mind as to how much screen time or whether two characters of similar stature would be in the game.

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I think that answers anything directed at me or in general.

Toogeloo · Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:02 pm

VOTE: Mystic Bears

I'm extremely confident this is scum. This is Noraa's scum-game that I have seen a several times where she expends a lot emotional energy, moreso than her town games. I think she is afraid to claim because she doesn't know what to claim.

Toogeloo · Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:06 pm

In post 5582, tictac wrote:ok. someone needs to out from the raid or we need to yeet someone from the raid.
we can't just leave mastinas claim untested when we have the opportunity to do so.
wtf people?

What are we testing?

Toogeloo · Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:22 am

I don't

need

to be on the raids as a VT. I do it for them to pass.

I'll get off for now, and get back on at the behest of the group.

UNVOTE: Leave Raid

Toogeloo · Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:23 pm

VOTE: Join Raid

Talked with mastina in our linkshell. Well, more like mastina spewed and I gave a few thoughts. Despite the raid failing yesterday, I'm 100% convinced that mastina is town.

I don't think all details need to be revealed from our talk.

We are both in agreement that Mystic Bears is today elimination.

Toogeloo · Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:25 pm

In post 5663, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 5657, Save The Dragons wrote:he'll flip rb
...guess not

lol.

Toogeloo · Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:42 pm

In post 5669, tictac wrote:
In post 5665, Toogeloo wrote:I'm 100% convinced that mastina is town.
is this like 100% convinced normal mafia-speak, or mech convinced where we
actually
don't need the test anymore?

I don't think we needed the test in the first place. But to answer your question, I am convinced normal mafia-speak. The reason the raid was failed was answered in our linkshell, and I believe it.

Toogeloo · Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:46 pm

I'll let mastina spew whatever she wants from our private chat. Her posting there was definitely done with the mentality that I would lay out all her thoughts, but since she survived, she can post her own thoughts.

Suffice to say, she and I came up with much the same PoE.

Toogeloo · Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:47 pm

In post 5685, Toogeloo wrote:that I would lay out all her thoughts,

EBWOP: in the event of her death.

Toogeloo · Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:48 pm

In post 5686, Tomorrow Corporation wrote:What's the PoE, Panda?

We'll get to that later, I'm sure. Let's organize the raid first.

Toogeloo · Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:57 pm

Hold off on any more votes on Bears. We need to fill the raid and have mastina on it.

Toogeloo · Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:01 pm

I'm not entirely on board clearing RC like mastina, I personally thought Day 3 seemed a little theaterish.

My PoE is MB, RC, dwlee, and StD. But yeah, mastina are more or less working on the same wavelength.

Toogeloo · Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:11 pm

Ultima Weapon unleashes Ultima.

"Such devastation, this was not my intention!"

Toogeloo · Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:10 pm

is the raid full?

Toogeloo · Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:34 pm

VOTE: Mystic Bears

This might be our last successful raid.

Toogeloo · Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:18 pm

In post 5941, tictac wrote:having a doc, bp-raid AND a bp would be supes weird tho.

Don't forget Commuter gifter.

Toogeloo · Fri Oct 15, 2021 11:14 am

Tomorrow should be mass claim day since we are unlikely to get any more successful raids after today.

Toogeloo · Sat Oct 16, 2021 2:42 am

Yeah, in the pt she spewed, but not as much here. I think it was more for an "in the event of my death," kind of thing.

Toogeloo · Mon Oct 18, 2021 1:10 pm

Minfilla as a Beloved Princess is extremely believable. She is the most important Scion in 2.0, and she stays in the Scion hideout out of harms way while mediating and delegating Scion duties.

The private topics I've been in are closed during the day, so the enabling of day talk in private chats isn't lining up.

When it comes to FFXIV 2.0, the only person more important than the Warrior of Light is Minfilla.

We are easily at a point in the game where we can afford not believing the claim. Scum have had plenty of time to educate themselves on flavor knowing that I would call out bad fake claims.

The Scions are:
Warrior of Light
Minfilla
Y'shtola
Thancred
Papalymo
Yda
Urianger
Tataru

We know Yda was a provided fake claim. Tataru and WoL have been claimed and proven. Minfilla is claimed and unproven. Everyone else is flipped.

Toogeloo · Mon Oct 18, 2021 1:16 pm

Would scum only have

1

Scion fake claim in Yda? Probably not.

Given our tremendous lead, I would flip StD here.

I voiced a concern in our PT last night about why do we have 2 scum with protection abilities? I can see 1 for WIFOM, but 2 just seems weird to me, and 21 players, 1 kill a night, 5 scum, I just have some thoughts, but they're confusing.

Toogeloo · Mon Oct 18, 2021 1:22 pm

VOTE: Join Raid

I'll be voting StD today.

Toogeloo · Mon Oct 18, 2021 1:32 pm

In post 6202, Mandelbrot wrote:
In post 6197, Toogeloo wrote:Would scum only have
1
Scion fake claim in Yda? Probably not.

Given our tremendous lead, I would flip StD here.

I voiced a concern in our PT last night about why do we have 2 scum with protection abilities? I can see 1 for WIFOM, but 2 just seems weird to me, and 21 players, 1 kill a night, 5 scum, I just have some thoughts, but they're confusing.
So do you remember when I accused mastina of acting like she had as much power over the game as the mod and she said that, in some ways, this is true?

Nothing about the outed aspects of her claim would justify such a remark.

Juuuust sayin'

- House

If it would appease people, I 100% endorse not letting mastina live to MELO. I really don't think we get to that point at this pace though.

I'm playing as if we are still just hunting Gaius and that ends game.

Toogeloo · Mon Oct 18, 2021 1:36 pm

That statement is a bit of a fallacy.

Tracker, Cop, and Doctor all died prior to this, and are extremely potent PRs that the scum would consider bigger threats than what mastina outed, and mastina was bulletproof last night. The only other NKed VT was Mirio.

Toogeloo · Mon Oct 18, 2021 3:06 pm

VOTE: Save The Dragons

Toogeloo · Tue Oct 19, 2021 4:03 am

There is no point to not being on the raid, so if you are not on, jump on. 9 people left, so all 8 living players after today's Elim should be on it.

As for who to follow, join us on StD. It's the correct choice.

Toogeloo · Wed Oct 20, 2021 6:50 pm

Why are we dragging this out?

Toogeloo · Thu Oct 21, 2021 6:34 am

You ever have those games where the answer is screamingly obvious, but you just sit there on the sidelines eating popcorn watching the other players stumble about?

That's me right now lol.

Toogeloo · Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:04 am

In post 6343, Mandelbrot wrote:
In post 6341, Toogeloo wrote:You ever have those games where the answer is screamingly obvious, but you just sit there on the sidelines eating popcorn watching the other players stumble about?

That's me right now lol.
What is, "things scum say" for $1000?

- House

Wait, is this a jab at me, calling me scum, lol? Or just a general statement that scum do this all the time?

StD scum claimed, tried to fix the claim, and then went on extended hiatus. Like, 3 strikes man, it's over slam dunk them in, and wrap the game.

I think mastina is right. I think H1H2 was our vig. That makes a ton of sense.

Toogeloo · Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:05 am

Raid will fail anyways if the game doesn't end and it fills. Mastina is out of raid success bonuses.

I'm 98.46197% confident that eliminating StD ends the game.

Toogeloo · Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:22 pm

I was in a linkshell again last night, not with mastina this time. The person I was with knows everything about mastina's claim, as well as my laid out case for who I want eliminated this day phase. I am lock-towning this individual as well, zero doubt.

Toogeloo · Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:25 pm

I was going to slow play this day, but this is pretty much what I wanted, so nevermind.

VOTE: Q&R

Toogeloo · Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:00 pm

All of my linkshells can be released... So many bookmarked topics lol.

Did town just not have a vigilante?

dwlee conf-towned himself to me last night, which in turn made me realize who H1/H2 was and I wouldn't peg their role to be a vigilante.

Toogeloo · Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:01 pm

After flipping Arc, who I should never have back-pedaled my town read on, I was trying to avoid flavor solving too much.

Toogeloo · Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:06 pm

In post 6377, tictac wrote:OH YEAH!!
I RULE SO MUCH!!

GG folks!

I had the solve in last night's linkshell as well. I posted all my thoughts for dwlee to repost in case I died last night. I broke down all the flipped scum and cross referenced the name drops and how they handled their scum mates.

It couldn't be anyone but Gamma/Nancy lol.

@Nancy, Mandel's action was a day action and didn't Roleblock the creation of the linkshell.