Final Fantasy XIV - A Realm Reborn Mafia (Game Over)

[Bell]

Don't actually answer that, it was a joke.

Is anyone going to answer me on the "TC was obviously joking, but not obviously enough for Sakura or Bell to realize they were joking and TC themselves said tey weren't doing much and were explicitely gambiting and not joking and hoping for time and space from the doctor to get night killed"

Likewise, I still need an answer on the "why would scum even claim doc out of the blue like that?" I guess the argument being made is that they wouldn't and they were obviously joking. But then we end up where we;re at with the gambit admission contradicting that.

[Bell]

Point being is that while we don't have to kill TC for misgambiting if they're town, or scumming it up if they're scum.

I would prefer the arguments being made in support of them actually reflect TC's own reality rather than your own.

[Bell]

Bell, your thoughts on the gamestate?

I think we're actually in a pretty good position tbh. With info to work off of and the end game being winnable. with more information being released at the current pace.
It's the right content being generated, rn imo.

[Bell]

I'm skeptical that the spade is a spade House.

What if it's a non-real number spade, or an anti-spade.

[Bell]

Janitor is a role that when they perform a night kill the player's role and alignment are hidden from view.
So we don't know what role Q1 and Q2 were because they were janitored.

I think similarly Mystic, on house. It could just be controlling scum though. I'm not sure if I'm reading into it too much or not enough.

[Bell]

Also, Nornor, you know how I feel about you remarking on things that are obvious town slips. Why you do this.

[Bell]

1. I don't crumb. If I say random shit it's probably just a reference or a joke. In this case, Mastina said "from a certain point of view" which I associate with the weirdness of Obi-wan misleading Luke about who darth vader was and thought you were making a reference to that quote.
2. @Nornor, if you don't know what a janitor is, you aren't scum because you would know what a janitor was if they were a scum partner of yours. But you intentionally town slip as scum all the dang time. It's like you can't resist it.

[Bell]

Flea isn't Cabd.

[Bell]

Isn't God father bastard?

[Bell]

I know Ninja isn't Also, Ninja in FF is practically required tbh.

@Sakura, Aight.

[Bell]

Yeah, I know Gif likes to troll, which is why I didn't immediately exclude the possibility of 2 doctors.

[Bell]

Mystic bears is rapidly falling into my PoE tbh.

[Bell]

I dunno why House thinks they're town.

[Bell]

You have defeated me with your superior rhetoric.
I am ded.

[Bell]

Mystic bears is town

y

[Bell]

Fleas catchup posting wasnt vapid and devoid of content

You actually answered me. You must be scum this game.

[Bell]

Cause you don't

[Bell]

It came to me while I was doing dishes that Bell is the most likely scum on the raid, as scum need to be townread to influence raids and Bell would have felt pretty darn safe with us, Elsa, tictac, dwlee to push the fail button.
I don't doubt the prophetic power of dish soap.
~C

I'm struggling to keep a straight face at this particular thought process.

[Bell]

Pretty sure you can change that.

[Bell]

I wanna go back to mystic bears defense of themselves that they totally have forgotten their scum partner's role before and so it wasn't a town slip.
and also even if it was, they hadn't done it recently(?)

[Bell]

Do you not have any scum reads Dwlee?

[Bell]

Even I have scum reads and I'm notoriously indecisive.

[Bell]

I am scared of being wrong though.
Esp. RE: Mystic.

[Bell]

I am scared of being wrong though.
Esp. RE: Mystic.

Who says this?

Me?

[Bell]

I don't wall very much, my posts are usually really short. So, I have no idea why you think that would be out of character and not you either conf biasing or getting stuck on something irrelevant.

[Bell]

Because It hurts to be wrong.

[Bell]

Uh, yeah, hence why I'm indecisive.
Also, why are you assuming that? You've played with me quite a few times at this point.

[Bell]

I'm genuinely skeptical that you think that's weird. You should have played enough mafia games to know that a lot of players are hesitant to make decisions.

[Bell]

Uh, no that was Dwlee. Dwlee was asking that.
I've led my fair share of wagons which you should also know. I've also pushed people this game, repeatedly, and for different reasons before either losing focus or changing my mind or keeping myself in that ambiguous head space where there are certain explanations and I'm not sure which is more likely for a players behavior.

[Bell]

For example, I'm not sure if Romance is informed and that's why they got all passionate about the TC defense. The guilty on Cakez points away from that possibility, so I weighed that down onto the probably just town side, I also felt that expressing that suspicion in thread instead of notes wouldn't be productive and would probably piss Romance off If was wrong too.

[Bell]

That's an example of a ambiguity, before weighing the probability and deciding that, for now, I should just sit on it. Before reaching a conclusion.
I have limited time during the weekdays due to work, so often I don't have the time to process information like I normally would.

A lot of questions have gone unasked because I out right wasn't reading sections and so haven't made enough scenarios overall to explain each player's behavior. I normally don't even do that until we get close to or are in elo.

[Bell]

Thinking.

Re: Titus, Mandel, Dwlee, "I have a stomach ache"

[Bell]

The problem with a Mystic bears elim and the reason I hesitate can actually be summed up in their sad face emoji in response to my accusation of them.

[Bell]

Rethought Mastina and still ended up thinking they were town. I pretty much buy into their frequent rolling into a mod’s pet town role. Tho, inb4 3rd party.

[Bell]

Biggs Vanilla Eorzean

I also did some research on this, pretty much anything I found listed Biggs alongside another character called Wedge, so if anyone says they are that person I can potentially clear TC off of that.

-Qrow

Have you never played a final fantasy game before?

[Bell]

Biggs Vanilla Eorzean

I also did some research on this, pretty much anything I found listed Biggs alongside another character called Wedge, so if anyone says they are that person I can potentially clear TC off of that.

-Qrow

Have you never played a final fantasy game before?

[Bell]

Biggs and Wedge are reoccurring characters in the final fantasy series. They’re usually buddies in a militaristic outfit in whatever world they find themselves in and they were born and raised in whatever society they’re in.

They’re named after Star Wars characters actually.

[Bell]

VOTE: Bell

I don't Stan the Elsa lim.

for the record i dont think dwlee ever crumbed anything.

[Bell]

for the record i dont think dwlee ever crumbed anything.

[Bell]

VOTE: Bell

I don't Stan the Elsa lim.

3rd vote best vote.

[Bell]

Lmao. I changed my meta to this for my scum game?

[Bell]

I actually won a marathon scum game as scum. I kicked Peta out of the getaway car. It was glorious.

[Bell]

No see. That’s not an argument.

You decided to play seriously this game and now suddenly your bench mark for scum versus town is effort?

What about all the other players that have done significantly less?
You’ll just pin wheel back to meta as an argument.

[Bell]

I actually don’t think anyone has done very much besides Romance, mandel and Qrow.
And Sakura is borderline.
Those are the only people I think actually reach that bench mark, the rest have been largely window dressing.

[Bell]

I guess my question to you Toog is why me? When there are a bunch of other players that have done significantly less but you’re giving a pass to?

[Bell]

Yes. In a marathon game. But uh.
That’s it as far as scum victories are concerned.

it counts okay

[Bell]

I er, kinda thought I played sort of okay in pooky v flavor.
My ate was okay I just couldn’t solve because of all the anxiety.

[Bell]

bell seems town from recent posts

I’m not denying that I’m not hard solving. Because it’s largely ambiguous where to go besides probably not romance, mastina, or Sakura.
The rest is kinda in the realm of opinion.

Can hit the justice button on TC and hope for the best.
Can hit the instinct button and hope that the bears aren’t a PR.
Can hit the meta button and kill toog for being totally different from every other game I’ve played with them.
Can just kill AA9 for the wheel spin rand kill.
But like, it doesn’t feel like a slam dunk.

[Bell]

I'm not feeling a Bell lim.

Probably better to sort him with night actions.

Please don’t do this. I’m remarkably easy to sort through day play. I pretty much become unkillable during the day after a certain point.

[Bell]

I guess my question to you Toog is why me? When there are a bunch of other players that have done significantly less but you’re giving a pass to?

I've been told TC is off the table today. TicTac as well. I don't think Elsa is scum for reason I outlined earlier, and I am only interested in pushing in my PoE. Of those in my PoE that are actually getting support, it's you.

Give me someone other than Elsa (or anyone outside my PoE for that matter). Convince me that someone in my PoE is where I should be that isn't you.

No. If you’re town, the only reason you need is that I’m town.
I’m not a monkey that performs for you based on your arbitrary hoops.

[Bell]

Nah. You’re voting town when there’s a bunch of other options.
Why?

Wait why is Alissa requesting a self ban instead of just taking a break.

[Bell]

Yes. You are. Didn’t you recently say you believed me when I Explained why I wasn’t pushing anyone too hard right now?

[Bell]

I’m not sure how to say that I’m just super different as scum because I get really anxious and I don’t know how to lie.

[Bell]

bell seems town from recent posts

Which posts

[Bell]

Kind of surprised that everyone was saying that Bell had this creature style meta that led everyone to townread him D1 and now he's suddenly into a bunch of people's PoE.

Could be the band wagon effect. More likely than not it’s just scum positioning.

The odd one out tbh is probably Titus. Because they’ve played with me a lot and they just voted me without saying anything when as town they usually have some ability to express their suspicions. On the other hand their reads haven’t been very accurate lately(ever) so I imagine they’re always experimenting.

I don’t want to fill Titus’s mouth with words though. But I’m interested in the explanation.

[Bell]

Reading this still so y'all know I'm not silent. Not feeling super well but I'm keeping up.

Will try and sleep and then make a Readlist that's better but going purely off of the people on the failed raid atm... I'm not including myself, and I trust Sakura and Romance's claims. So here's my elim order preference from the other 5.

1: TC (still doubt the weird posts but can compromise)
2: Bell (least townie of the rest)
3: Tictac
4: Dwlee
5: Cheeks

Yeah, I could use a better reads list tbh.

Though at least if you’re scum you had the decency not to name three people in a row.

[Bell]

I’m still wondering if Toog is just obvscum who’s the type to play really rigidly as scum with a cookie cutter outlook.

[Bell]

VOTE: Mysticbears

[Bell]

Not much to add tbh. They just went awoland there’s 2 heads in that hydra. It just feels like they’re good with things and so they aren’t posting.*

*feel free to share why this isn’t the case.

[Bell]

*feel free to share why this isn’t the case.

Cuz they're town. Duh.

- House

Sigh.

[Bell]

I think there is like, 1 scum total in that raid list. I never bothered with the math but probably, we have better odds hitting outside the raid than in it and yeah, maybe it will get us out of this morass.

[Bell]

It seems pretty clear scum decide beforehand whether a raid succeeds or fails before the day ends. Given it’s announced at the end of the of the day phase and not the end of the night phase.

[Bell]

I’m not sure if real cheeks is mooncancer(this is a reference to a recently completed game) or just a dude with reads outside the norm.

[Bell]

Well, actually not mooncancer because that guy bussed his whole team. But that doesn’t apply here because he suspects me lol.

[Bell]

My goodness you’re a bundle of wasted energy if you’re town.
You must get a lot of heat for hard defending scum in games sometimes.

[Bell]

Kind of. There aren’t a lot of players that have consistently good reads me included.

[Bell]

Stan is another way of saying “fan”
So he isn’t a fan of the Elsa Lim.

[Bell]

The only thing I’m really worried about is wifom or that i’m misreading his intent.

[Bell]

It is’t really complicated. He half assed the push. Either because he didn’t want it to go through, didn’t want to lead a miselim, or was going for two layers hoping we would notice his heart wasn’t in it so that we’d miselim them later.

[Bell]

Not sure if sircakez would mess around with a low enthusiasm post because people might notice. ~_~
Mmm

[Bell]

Cakez can be pretty savage to his scum buddies actually.
Not sure if the case here, since he can be savage with anybody really. But I don’t think it’s clearing at all.

[Bell]

Also good night.
Also back to work. *sigh*
Spent Saturday trying not to jump out of my skin.
Sunday felt better but wish I had more R&R

[Bell]

Whelp. I’m uneliminatable during the day now I guess. Going to work. Just wanted to point that out and apologize to the scum team for being a huge pain to deal with like always.

[Bell]

Can I quote the sequence of posts that make me an IC or would that be unfair to the scum team.

[Bell]

I wanna coast until we win or we're in elo and I have to try again

[Bell]

Didn't Romance defend Elsa or did I hallucinate that.
And no this isn't an FOS or throwing shade or whatever,
I just feel kind of gaslit because I thought they were defending El...

Oh they were defending TC nvm.

[Bell]

No?

Okay then, let me know if you change your mind.

Ilu.

[Bell]

Please link to your towniest posts that, based on the flips so far point to you obviously being town.
I'm pretty sure mine are better. *smug*

[Bell]

Can't we just repeat the list of participants from the last one and call the bluff if there was one

[Bell]

I think Romance is town.

....
Everywhere else I'm wafflin'

[Bell]

Didn't that raid fail.

[Bell]

Didn't that raid fail.

No it didnt

Er, are you sure

[Bell]

I will note that this increased level of activity is notable for most scum.
So probably they're getting left behind and overwhelmed. Or I'm being silly.
Either or.

[Bell]

Aa9 is a blank slate and I don't really care whether they're vigged, investigated, or blind eliminated.

[Bell]

I think we should just put the same names in the raid and see if it fails or not.
I can be the control if someone in the raid died. I guess that would be Elsa.
So yeah, just replace me with Elsa and then we'll see if there's any scum in there.

[Bell]

Always suspect the middle option for middle of the road scum.

[Bell]

But isn't Tictac confirmed town or something.
People kept saying that but I had no idea what they were talking about.

[Bell]

Scum can also pass the raid bell

I personally think town gains the advantage the more town that are in a raid.

[Bell]

Mandel, am I scum?

[Bell]

Mandel, am I scum?

Check your role pm.

- House

Yeah, if you don't know I'm town by now given my interactions with Cakez and Elsa, then you're probably just scum hoping no one will notice.

[Bell]

mastina had her chance at the coroner, supposedly we'd know the flip even if she died, well she's alive, and we don't know the flip so i'm assuming she either got interfered with or was lying.
So there should be no reason for her to withhold a full claim.

We should probably just let her post.

[Bell]

I still think we should just do the same composition as last time and just add me to it.

Either scum out themselves or they weaken themselves. Seems like a good deal to me. We have the better hand and we should probably take advantage.

In mind hacker or whatever it was called, it was a fairly traditional strategy.

[Bell]

Can you imagine me being 3 for 3.
Super unlikely.

[Bell]

All she's gunna do if she comes back is berate everyone for voting/suspecting her.

[Bell]

Cool mastina. Please full claim.

[Bell]

What plan did we reach ultimately regarding raiding.
Did my plan get derailed because someone found a flaw

[Bell]

I don't want Toog on until he explains why he changed his mind on Elsa and what I had to do with it.

[Bell]

I legit don't remember anybody in this game claiming except Romance and Sakura, and TC kinda. And I am really not paying attention and that makes me sad.

Also, I still dunno about the flavor approach this game. But you've balanced it out with other stuff so w/e.

I'm still not sure if I want the AA9 lim tho. Still a blind lim.

[Bell]

I caught up and nobody really derailed my plan or anything.
I guess it's just the more active voices.

I still think it's better to do do it based on previous results than to feel out who we want in a raid based on what seems to amount to opinion based reads.

[Bell]

Don't be mean.

[Bell]

My brain is tired House.

I apologize. So are we going with my plan or something else.

Also, I think I. Ugh I am so fucking exhausted. *sigh*

Did Mastina claim 3rd party legit. Or was that just you being aggro.

[Bell]

I was talking to TC.

[Bell]

I have already made the you make a lot of assumptions don't you get burned a lot for that
question right?

@TC: I have a feeling if you laid out the reasons why you think they're funny they wouldn't be very complimentary. But meh, this is a derail, plus I think I might be bad faith reading you and I'm sorry for that.

[Bell]

Woof

[Bell]

I am a very big fan of dogs of all shapes and sizes.
I can't even express it well, but they are a source of relief in this wasteland of plenty.

[Bell]

Lmao, he did.

[Bell]

My previous avatar was a snoopy avatar. I don't really associate dogs with scum, if anything, all dogs are town.

[Bell]

Question Noraa bear,
have you accepted the end

[Bell]

Where is/are the vigs anyway.
Is there a mass bullet proof mechanic with zero extra shots

This is I. Bell.
Woof, bawk.

[Bell]

I can't get over MC'S avatar.
It's so good.

[Bell]

Hi.
This conversation can’t be productive past this point without Mastina’s claim.

Please talk about something else. Or just don’t talk to each other for a bit.

[Bell]

House is pretty low priority in terms of my Lim pool right now.

There are probably 1 or 2 lurk scum alive.

@R: thank you.

[Bell]

MB how long are we supposed to wait?
~C

I thought we are waiting for Bell to explain those posts

What posts?

[Bell]

Yo, I don't crumb. I've said this in every game I've played and I continue to mean this (except for that one time where I kinda sorta crumbed.

1. I asked if you accepted the end because I thought your position was fairly poor and that after AA9 died, you'd like be next and also, I was hoping to poke you and see how you'd react because I am a stirrer at heart.
2. 4813 was just expressing my puzzlement that no vig shots have happened even though there's a mass bullet proof mechanic.
3. I had a snoopy avatar and I love dogs, so I say woof sometimes. You know this because you complained when I changed it. I think you both did. The bawk was because the avatar is a chicken/bird. I misposted from Milobird. So when you do that from the wrong account you're supposed to quote that post and identify who posted it.

[Bell]

It's actually quite common for my obtuse posting to get called out as a PR claim of some kind. Usually once every 2-3 games. I still get jokes about claiming doc because I was talking about getting a job in thread.

[Bell]

Other than that, everyone else continue. I have much to think about though. I'll think about it over PSAT prep bye.

Or you could just take my word for it, or if you're scum maybe not struggle so much.

It's not like I can be eliminated anyway, I'm pretty much town by play.

[Bell]

Like at the least, I wouldn't post from another account in this game in some grand attempt at manipulation because I think that's probably cheating or at the least, Not Good For Games.

[Bell]

Er, also, the reason I didn't reply right away is because I was trying to sleep whilst having a mini meltdown about how cornered I feel at my job RN.
I just gave up and skimmed the last page.

[Bell]

Just read the last few pages. First off, sorry Raven.
I didn't think House would just keep picking at you like that.
I would just ignore him when he acts like that.


As for the sudden suspicion. I'm a little disappointed people haven't just iso'd me and noted my cakez/Elsa interactions just never coming from scum.
What partner spotlights their partner Elsa, before Cakez dies and then points out that hey, Cakez seemed to be bussing Elsa based on their vote. These were fairly original pushes too, without a lot like rout input or a lack of intent.

[Bell]

I didn't think House would just keep picking at you like that.
I would just ignore him when he acts like that.

Are you an alt?

Would I recognize your main, if you told me?

(Not asking you to out)

- House

This is my main account.

I used to play as Remembrance pre-degree and I played on an Alt called Knell for like 3-4 games.
I don't think I've ever played with you though. But that's it, those are the only 3-non hydra accounts I've played on (that weren't grand order anon games).

[Bell]

even if you said it, I wouldn't have read it so it's original in my book.

[Bell]

I mean, I've offered to just spell it out for everyone but nobody ever took me up on my offer. It would just be a line of choice quotes tho.

Meh, let me go get them instead of obsessing over stuff that will come with time.

[Bell]

HAVENT READ BUT

join raid join raid join raid

*kicks Sircakez out of the raid*

VOTE: Elsa Jay

I guess.

VOTE: Elsa Jay

I guess.

Blink twice if you want me to free you.

Blinks once

Can we kill Elsa. All I have is gut.

You can’t discredit a scum gut read. It discredits itself.

Not following. I literally never give up as town. I doubt this game will be much different. Though my job has been very straining lately so I may collapse sometimes.

@Elsa, not really. I just sort of think you’re scum from pattern recognition.

That Big sister pattern some scum do. You know, when like they’re being friendly and giving advice and don’t seem very self-serving. But it just causes them to kind of blend while posting a bunch. That plus their joke to serious post ratio tickles my scumdar.

Their jokes seem to say “let me fit in, I’m one of you”

Ticking my scumsdar with the joke to serious post radar? Yes.

The big sister idea doesn’t fit very well. But I started with “vague gut feeling”
You’re asking me to rationalize something irrational.

But your jokes aren’t very good.

I don’t wanna talk about it because it doesn’t serve town to talk about it.

You have a point about going against everyone else. Except that’s exactly the opposite of self serving. So I don’t follow.

I’m joking. Of course I can be wrong for the wrong reasons.

Wait that doesn’t make any sense when I think about it.

1. What is Mirio doing?

2. I haven't a clue what Nancy posted or what about it was problematic.

3. I'm not sure how I feel about Elsa sounding like they're apologizing for missing an obligation (what is their obligation and why are they sorry for not meeting it?)

4. Meh on Dragon's entry. Usually they plant a vote down at least.

Lol, I've led one too many wagons on town Titus to even pretend I'm going to consider it without a cop guilty.

I'm just gunna solve at my own pace, tyvm.

I mean, Sircakez hasn't said or done anything this game on first look.
There's like, nothing to have an opinion on. I'm not even sure if it makes sense for him as town to at least put in a half-baked effort. Because I kind of just don't know what town sircakez looks like.
I totally forgot if I've even played with town sircakez.

I'm back.

VOTE: Titus cuz first wagon blues.

I also didn't think the minus 2 days on deadline thing for the raid would do much but I forgot how slow some games go so two days off would suck. Doesn't help with 5 V/LA people here either.

This vote is so bad, that I'm actually not sure scum would make it after getting the spotlight on them.

I'm wifoming myself, aren't I.

@Bell/Mandelbrot

Have either of you ever played with Elsa before?

Nope.

I don’t like sir cakez vote on Elsa but I suspect Elsa so, like,

I guess the real question about Elsa is if I buy their slow moving ate on the matter.

The point of the post is that I’ve made a decision to judge Elsa based on their AtE about them rolling scum a lot and sort of rolling over and admitting they were suspicious.

While also saying hey, Sircakez vote on Elsa for the reasons stated and their singular focus sucks.

Would you look at that, you knew and you broadened your horizons.

Though it sort of feels like busy work. I’ll give you time though. You just got here.

Sure Sircakez.

I asked the same question earlier romance and they voted me for it. So I feel ya.

I think I’m wrong on Elsa.

VOTE: Sircakez

You're welcome.

[Bell]

VOTE: Join raid

[Bell]

So was that a strong man shot.

[Bell]

Not to be the guy that’s late to realcheeks but why him instead of wheme?

[Bell]

Were you role blocked?

[Bell]

So were you role blocked or not

[Bell]

I thought when you were role blocked you were informed you were role blocked or have I still not learned how roles work yet.

[Bell]

im also fine with today being massclaim day.

[Bell]

VOTE: WhemeStar

Yddrasse is probably right on cheeks. I just kind of feel weird about their parallels.

[Bell]

I don’t have much reason to trust the bears this game and yet.
I kinda want to anyway.

[Bell]

How do you know they’re tunneled on you and not just scum qrow?

[Bell]

Hmm

[Bell]

Still think we should kill Wheme. Even though realcheeks is prolly scum and I’m just wrong about them and am just allergic to voting them inexplicably.

They’ve even been pushing me so I don’t know why I don’t want them dead tbh.

[Bell]

I don’t know how I feel about it so I’m saying hmm instead.

[Bell]

Still think we should kill Wheme. Even though realcheeks is prolly scum and I’m just wrong about them and am just allergic to voting them inexplicably.

They’ve even been pushing me so I don’t know why I don’t want them dead tbh.

Because deep in your soul you know we are town.
~C

Hey, you voted me. What’s wrong with my town asf soul?

[Bell]

It does not you troll.

[Bell]

You need to be flipped?
Why do you need to be flipped?

[Bell]

So if we flip the strongman before we get to you do you still need to be flipped

[Bell]

UNVOTE:

No hammering decide on what you guys wanna do with mastina.
I’ll leave raid if needed.

At work. Bell out.

[Bell]

VOTE: Join raid

Let me add to the town Bell case rq.

[Bell]

Any thoughts about Wheme, Krow, Mom, Sircakez that I missed?

VOTE: Whemestar

You cased yourself at the beginning of the game.

I vaguely feel that gamma is buddying me.

Wheme is just passing by.

More wheme votes.

Also what happens if we eliminate someone in the raid?
Does the raid fail?
Does someone replace them or does it just reduce the number of players that confer a benefit from the raid?

Happy with my vote.

More Wheme votes.

Sorry you’re having a bad time Mastina. Yeah, time is what you need, probably.

@Wheme: sure. I’m voting you almost for the exact reason Mirio is. That is, no content at the time. The current content is not there either. I know you’re sorta floaty and easy going. And perhaps the votes are showing a side of you I haven’t seen yet.but Rn, I’m not feeling’ your town game.

Side note: I don’t know if AA9 Ellie telling counts.

I'm caught up. But I pretty much don't have anything additional to state. As nothing really substantial seems to have happened since I posted this morning.

Flea being on the narrow is somewhat unexpected. But otherwise, I guess I'm waiting for Wheme to obvtown.

Flea being on the narrow is somewhat unexpected. But otherwise, I guess I'm waiting for Wheme to obvtown.

BELL WANNA TALK ITS TEH BEST WAY FOR ME

Gut feelings on everyone Just talk it all out, go.

Ah man my post got deleted.

1. Commentary about signing up for this game for the last 3 or 4 pages.
2. Asking Wheme why he said he was gunna obvtown if he doesn’t know how to obvtown.

There you go, and you're welcome.

[Bell]

If MB is also scum that would be pretty messed up.

[Bell]

The idea of me voting 4 times in a row and every vote landing on a different scum would mean this is the best game in terms of accuracy I've ever had. Just the idea of it makes me feel gross.

[Bell]

Probably a statistical glitch. Nothing different was done here.
Or I'm just scum married the bus.

No idea who the last scum is tho.

[Bell]

Okay, enough introspection.

RIP Sakura.

Why is MB scum? Besides vague claiming and Noraa going for that town slip like a golden retriever chasing a frizbee.

[Bell]

Processing.

[Bell]

Okay, that's pretty hilarious.
But probably a lie.

But it doubles as a pretty hilarious lie, so no matter what, it's good stuff.

[Bell]

I agree that this isn't Noraa aTe meta and I appreciate the calmer approach.
But I also think that the thought process being revealed here doesn't ring true.
But also, I think maybe it does ring true because I remember that Fairy game where they were claiming PGO.
I don't think they were scum in that one.

Noraa, were you scum in that fairy game? It's been awhile.

[Bell]

What were you fake crumbing to draw the NK MB?

[Bell]

Which posts?

[Bell]

Good luck on your chemistry test Noraa,

I'm teasing,
but seriously go focus on that instead and yeah it's probably better to kill you now than later if you're a miselim.

[Bell]

On the other hand, I feel kind of bad ignoring Romance's last wish.
But I did it with Wheme so what can you do.
Might as well keep trampling over their hopes and dreams while they scream impotently in the dead thread.

[Bell]

Man, my posts are especially shitty today.
Sorry, tired. Long day, excuses, excuses.

Uhhh. So. I guess I'm not confident or anything that Noraa is lying.
But I sort of think they're lying.
and that's enough for me, but I would also like to consider other options.

That last line wasn't scummy, you're scummy.

[Bell]

Ok the chem test was legit too but I went overboard with the AtE in other ways. I don't lie about homework. I guess this'll sound scummy now that you say that but I do have a calc test tomorrow that I now can't focus on because now I'm like determined to get town reads.

I keep thinking I can actually let my mind be at peace about mafia games but they always just drive me insane.
And i read that as why not what

Ow. Right in my guilt cortex.

Focus on that Noraa. I know it's hard, but focus on that. I'll stop trolling.
First, calm down, then study and then do your best.

[Bell]

Oh no, I never thought you were lying about homework or doing stuff.
Though I do know you lie about other things, but who doesn't.

*stares at house*
Everybody L I E S

No that wasn't a crumb either, I'm just being goofy.

[Bell]

It doesn't even have anything to do with you. I dont want to study is probably the main reason.

Oh no yeah, you're totally stress avoiding as a coping mechanism that doesn't work and is broken. You gotta get yourself out of that loop. First step is recognizing you're stressed. Second step is how to deal with your stress constructively or in a way you're good with.

Mafia loop is not it.

[Bell]

You lied about being a college student I think when I first met you? Or you age was different, but it isn't a serious thing. Lots of people lie about their ages on the internet.

[Bell]

STD is just jealous that my reads are better than his.
*nods*

Also. Yeah. Gif, please give a VC so I can know when I can vote.

[Bell]

Flavor mastery?

[Bell]

I’mma feel bad if anyone I think is scum flips town.

[Bell]

VOTE: MC

Only thing that really bothers me besides all the things that bother me is that bulletproof is a weird fake claim.

@Gamma, sure. I haven’t ever spoken to Norra outside of mafia. Maybe 1 or 2 pms. I just remember it standing out. I don’t mean to belabor the point, as I don’t judge people very harshly. Nor do I think what she did was wrong in anyway.

[Bell]

Also, yeah I just went back and saw the recent VC raid is full.
Does anyone have anything else to add?

[Bell]

VOTE: Mystic Bears

Woops

[Bell]

Why are you obvtown Dwlee?
I'm obvtown, and yet everyone in the POE doesn't think I'm obvtown. Even though I showed it post by post and they didn't even have to rub their own neurons together and some of them still couldn't put it together.

UNVOTE:

Okay?

[Bell]

Yeah, but why should I unvote.

[Bell]

Cool. So you're leaving the raid then?

[Bell]

Randomly posting to keep up appearances, I actually haven't read a single page of this game.
I don't even know who I'm responding to.

[Bell]

Which players are outside of the raid?

Realcheeks, who else?

[Bell]

STD won't leave the raid and he knows MB is the lim today.

[Bell]

Seriously though, who isn't in the raid that's still alive other than Cheeks.

[Bell]

So is the idea here to confirm Mastina's ability by having one player less than the needed number of players to fill the raid so she can activate her ability to prove it works how she said it did?
How does that clear anyone else tho.

[Bell]

I forgot Tictac was still here.

[Bell]

I just want the reasoning laid out. If there's an advantage to this action, I'm for it.

[Bell]

Mastina.
Thoughts on this?

[Bell]

I'm getting cold feet.

[Bell]

Coming in here to say that I changed my mind and still want MB dead.

Also, no offense taken Flea. One day someone will say that to me when I’m scum and I will say: no offense taken.
And it will be cool. Also, I will never say that now in case someone digs it up.

[Bell]

I have problems with cheeks again. I’ve decided that I have a problem with them not town reading me.
But this is for later. After mb is dead.

Also, decide on how we wanna do this raid thing.
I’m not hopping off no matter what tho.

[Bell]

Have a good day ya’ll.

Bell out.

[Bell]

I’m back from work.

So did we all make a collective decision yet on this whole Mastina power/ability thing?

@mastina before you go are you going to activate your ability or is it already activated?

[Bell]

Basically I’m asking if there’s going to be an ambiguous result if we go the “maybe’s mastina’s lying” route.

[Bell]

Due to you being absent over the weekend if we lim MB.

[Bell]

Yes, mandel is a link shell neighborizor who also is a strongman.

That makes sense.

[Bell]

I actually don’t find neighborizors very townie because neighborhoods are an awesome manipulation tool in scum hands.

This strong man stuff is just confused though.
Also, after realizing that this mastina argument is only about checking a single claim of Mastina’s that doesn’t even confirm their alignment I care little about this tbh.

VOTE: Mystic bears

Have a good one.

[Bell]

Did we ever figure out if there is a role locker and a strong man or could there only be one.
I believe one shot went through so that confirms strong man but a role blocker is up in the air and the scum might have a different ability?

[Bell]

I’m aware that it can be. But I don’t think that it’s actually a town role. It’s kind of AI based on how you use it.
You’ve used it in a sort of townie way and expressed and pushed that narrative and position with decent actions to back it up.

[Bell]

I’m really bad with roles so it’s a safe assumption that I overlooked role stuff.
Not sure if gif does joat roles

[Bell]

I can’t read apparently because I thought their entire role had to do with making raids succeed or not.

[Bell]

Forget it. Either mastina has her scum groove back in a big way or they’re just town.

[Bell]

Tictac is wasting everyone’s time.

[Bell]

Can we kill the bears now.

[Bell]

Yeah, I can be unclear sometimes.
I was just isoing mastina to find what else she claimed and the more convoluted it got the more I just realized hey, she’s town and she’s focused on winning as town.

So I don’t see the need to verify a single aspect of her claim.

[Bell]

Dwlee hammer.

[Bell]

Please.

[Bell]

Dwlee.

[Bell]

I'm f5'ing.
I wanna know what the bear flips.

Pedit: Chicken.

[Bell]

I'm joking, I hesitate all the time, but I am kind of done with this day phase and just want to know at this point.

I still dunno who the last scum is if MB flips scum. Or who the last two scum are if they flip town.
I'm sort of guessing that there are 5 scum.

[Bell]

I need to get some rest I can't even read proper. Think I'm coming down with a fever. Don't know why Bell is in such a rush.
~C

Do you have anything else to add?
Also, I hope you don't come down with a fever and that you feel better soon.

[Bell]

Real cheeks made the argument that Mandel was a possibility as a strong man.
It wasn't directed toward you.