Anything uPick (Endgame)

[Deimos27]

will you 2 be signing posts

[Deimos27]

VOTE: Datisi

[Deimos27]

if u can't tell us apart. what good is meta tells on either of us

it's useful for more than just meta but whatevs

[Deimos27]

@whoever doesn't have an avatar, please get one, it makes the game much easier for me to read if everyone has an avi

i will furiously assail anyone who does not abide by this because i believe deeply that datisi deserves only the best treatment

[Deimos27]

dont anime upicks show up fairly often
seems like a wasted opportunity

[Deimos27]

Also, I have decided that for the duration of this game, I will use no avatar. Starting in 2 minutes.

VOTE: Ircher
scumclaim

wait deimos holy shit its been over a year since that cult game huh

you remember me? :)

[Deimos27]

forget I ever used that smiley actually, that was an accident

[Deimos27]

you remember me? :V

ebwop

[Deimos27]

sup deimos

r u prepared to get pocketed like coalition all over again

no but i am prepared to catch you as scum for faking an sr on me in your first post again
although i guess it wont be in your first post this time

[Deimos27]

(this is the part where you sr me for pre-emptively discrediting sr's of me)

[Deimos27]

i was going to townread you if you sred me cuz paranoia

but you didnt even do that

i am not ruled by paranoia
i rule paranoia
u are null

[Deimos27]

considering i just stomped you twice as scum vs town you I'd think you'd sr me

but you didn't

which means you're scum

and you forgot to be paranoid of me

ok bro

[Deimos27]

I changed it on reading Deimo's post

id heard deimos
id heard deim
but deimo, that's a new one

[Deimos27]

i am not ruled by paranoia
i rule paranoia
u are null

you being too scared to scumread me is a hard scumtell

esp after that last game where I speedyeeted you as soon as you scumread me

shows you are being SURVIVALISTIC

implies scum you

you are making about as much sense as you did last game
the difference is that this time the context is such that you are obviously not being serious
to change my mind i recommend voting me

[Deimos27]

VOTE: Good Luck Buddy
deal

[Deimos27]

i am serious if and only if you are serious
so long as you are voting me i am taking it as a signal that you are serious

[Deimos27]

deimos dont omgus pooky :c just vote ircher

worked last time i did it
well not really cause i died
but yes really in that they were scum

[Deimos27]

VOTE: Ircher

[Deimos27]

alisae taught me the secret to reading ircher ok

teach me too?

[Deimos27]

i like to read ircher by tracing my eyes across the symbols which represent its constituent letters

[Deimos27]

i think its a v successful reading technique

[Deimos27]

if u mean worked as in

i yeeted you

and walked all over the town

and scum won

then yea i guess it worked

ftr i dont play this game to win i play it for the emotional satisfaction of being right

for legal reasons i will note that i do also try to win

[Deimos27]

alisae taught me the secret to reading ircher ok

teach me too?

its a vibes thing

there's a secret to reading ircher
and the secret is... vibes
m8

[Deimos27]

ftr i dont play this game to win i play it for the emotional satisfaction of being right

that said i do give you props for being responsible for my first ever time getting limmed d1 as either alignment

[Deimos27]

You guys are boring.
That took a while to read and i cant remember half of it except:

Good Luck Buddy (-99%): Way too many posts.

That's... quite a lot of confidence.

the magnitude is quite large but on a certain point of view it's very little confidence given that the probability is negative

[Deimos27]

oh there was a key at the bottom that explained how to interpret the negative sign so i've been pre-emptively invalidated
tragedy

[Deimos27]

I think this post sux ngl

why

[Deimos27]

I think this post sux ngl

why

All the reads are hamfisted as shit

+scum

@whoever doesn't have an avatar, please get one, it makes the game much easier for me to read if everyone has an avi

i will furiously assail anyone who does not abide by this because i believe deeply that datisi deserves only the best treatment

you believe i deserve only the best treatment, yet you vote to yeet me in your second post? curious.

im helping you prove you're town

deimos doesn't sound like he hates this game and his own life so i'm gonna say slight +town.

see this guy, this guy knows how to read a deimos
bad news is it comes off as tmi because i actually think ive shown way less enthusiasm for this game than usual
so if you were to read me off my meta of enjoying town and hating scum then i think you'd scumlean me here

Otherwise I dont see how "Too many posts" lead to

99% confidence

+scum

ok ive got fos on gamma/dat/sakura

VOTE: Gamma Emerald
this one is the most blatant

[Deimos27]

i am not wisdom
but because i chose an L avatar when i made the account, with no prior knowledge of wisdom, i am resigned to forever living in his shadow

[Deimos27]

Deimos, I agree with where your suspicions lie, but why can you flesh out that Gamma suspicion?

ill consider fleshing it out
maybe
i want to see who resonates with me without needing elaboration first

[Deimos27]

How would people like me to use my ability. I am not going to say that I will use it like the majority requests. I just want some input.

I could...
A) Use it early to spark discussion and give a flip to work with.
B) Use it as a first majority elimination.
C) Use it on the backup wagon prior to the first elimination.
D) Use it on a wagon that dissolves.
E) Enter Suggestion Here.

Keep in mind that both my target AND myself die upon me using my ability.

I do have 4 possible targets already in mind, but I may go a different route as Day 1 progresses.

value of this ability goes up over time if your reads gain confidence or townies die (increasing the relative density of scum) so i wouldve kept it secret and tried to use it d2 after first mislim and nk for example. now you might be a high prio nk target so idk A is not terrible. we might have protectives though

[Deimos27]

why is ur entire scumhunting strat to try to provoke sr's on you

[Deimos27]

why is ur entire scumhunting strat to try to provoke sr's on you

My actual role is scum read cop

it allows me to check if scumreads on me are fake or not

i always knew rc was actually omniscient

[Deimos27]

UR LEFT PINKY FINGER IS OMNISCIENT???

[Deimos27]

hold on who are you voting right now i need to sheep the pinky finger

[Deimos27]

VOTE: Datisi

i was gonna make a joke about how you must've been checking the wrong finger but apparently you deigned to actually make an ok vote
disappointed

[Deimos27]

i read the stars and they said gamma is better tho
we have a mercury conjunct mars in scorpio sixth house

[Deimos27]

didnt read it

[Deimos27]

oh no wait i remember now
he did the same thing he did to me right
random shouting demanding an sr

rubbish scumhunting strat

[Deimos27]

unless the pinky finger is omniscient which is a possibility i cannot preclude with current evidence

[Deimos27]

I mean, going forward I'll be more interested in your interactions with people other than me that also aren't based on those people voting you, because we aren't gonna get any more useful content between us. I am parking my vote for now because I don't think I'm gonna do any more aggressive placing and you're my best lead currently. I recall that your slot has put out some reads but I don't recall how much of that was cheeky and also haven't seen you hydra with cheeky so I don't know how your dynamic might be affected

If you’re actually town here - doubt - never ever claim you have a clue how to read me in any game ever.

If they've been that consistently successful in the past why should one outlier (this game) be such a big deal for their overall ability to read you?

Aren't you exaggerating

a lot

by saying they can no longer claim to have even a clue

[Deimos27]

I don't have knowledge of the extensive meta you two are referencing so my brain completely glazed over in trying to analyse this 1v1. Nonetheless I do not see why you are taking this quite so personally.

[Deimos27]

You're not obviously town to me Nancy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But also I don't know you

[Deimos27]

Victorine has 3 posts how are you making a read on that

[Deimos27]

Victorine has 3 posts how are you making a read on that

Well I guess you explained why but I don't see how you get any level of tonal confidence or why the spoilered latin rant is likelier to be a telegraph to a traitor than a sophisticated role or flavour crumb

[Deimos27]

Victorine has 3 posts how are you making a read on that

Well I guess you explained why but I don't see how you get any level of tonal confidence or why the spoilered latin rant is likelier to be a telegraph to a traitor than a sophisticated role or flavour crumb

Because of her play in TBONTB. she also did something very similar in Overkill 1. That’s the traitor thing. In both games she used a cryptic phrase to signal to another player.

Oh Victorine

is

Joan?

[Deimos27]

Yea. But this time it's just a post restriction

Did you select like an ancient roman or someone
I love you if so

[Deimos27]

I don't really see why sakura is towny tbh
I quite like Taly though, on pure gut/tonality

[Deimos27]

I'm inclined to suggest Taly's claim is town-ai also but I don't have much experience with closed setups or upicks so I've very little clue as to what roles are realistic for scum or what kinds of fakeclaims

[Deimos27]

Fire, do Jesters win if they are day vig'd on Day 1?

Was this an attempt at a reaction test or what

[Deimos27]

im gonna establish an alliance of nations.
The fire nation shall lead u, because honestly when has the fire nation ever been evil.

Deimos27 representing the water nation
Sakura Hana representing the air nation

will u join this collaboration

I don't tr Sakura

[Deimos27]

If anyone cares, we already crumbed part of ours or I did anyway,

I did too

[Deimos27]

I don't tr Sakura

But do u townread and trust me?

Ummm I would say you're a hair's breadth above the null line.
But I have an immense amount of respect for you reads based on my experience with you in nightless vanilla, so in case you are town I do think it's valuable for me to give your opinions some credence.

[Deimos27]

I don't remember making an argument for town!Ircher. I moved off him because I sr Gamma's sr of him.
It's not impossible that's a bus ofc but if it can just as well be explained as SvT I prefer Gamma.

[Deimos27]

Fire, do Jesters win if they are day vig'd on Day 1?

Was this an attempt at a reaction test or what

Hmmm . . . that’s very interesting. I could definitely see that as a possibility. RC gives some crazy-ass roles in his uPicks. He had Vecna post-restricted to only talk about toilet paper until the day he got IC’d.

That cornholio thing is still a cherished memory

Given that it reads clearly in the rules that there are no jesters I was wondering if Toog was going for some bizarre reaction test where either how well pookybringer read the rules is supposed to be a tell or the extent to which they appear threatened by the possibility of being read as jester and thereby dayvigged is a tell

[Deimos27]

Taly is definitely a wait and see slot. He is very good at having an appeasing and appealing tone.

D'you reckon Taly's claim is > rand to come from town?

[Deimos27]

How does that read as a buddy post? It's a valid argument.

You could totally read buddy motivation into that as some weird soft defense of jjh via the shading of Nancy.

I assure that I do not intend my doubts about the genuineness of Nancy's emotional reactions to reflect on jjh's alignment one way or the other.

[Deimos27]

anyone trying to sort using claims in role madness partially bastard is delusional or distracting from the real scumhunting.

pedit welcome back pooky

This could well be true
What do you think of the tr's of the miller claim

[Deimos27]

How does that read as a buddy post? It's a valid argument.

I'm not talking about the argument, just when, how and what Deimos decides to respond to. Are you WKing him here? O_o
~C

I respond to what I have something to say about. You pinged me, jjh did not. The entire 1v1 was based on meta and I have nothing to comment on the validity of those arguments.

[Deimos27]

Yeah, why the fuck are

Deimos/Titus

the only people acknowledging my claim?

Rest of y’all piss me off while you shelve and fencesit on my slot FFS.

I'm out for the night.

I don't really get where this emotional reaction came from either ftr. First shred of doubt on my Taly tr.

I think it's ok to treat certain claims as alignment-indicative as long as we continue to also read those players behaviourally and cross-check the conclusions.

[Deimos27]

Yeah, why the fuck are

Deimos/Titus

the only people acknowledging my claim?

Rest of y’all piss me off while you shelve and fencesit on my slot FFS.

I'm out for the night.

I don't really get where this emotional reaction came from either ftr. First shred of doubt on my Taly tr.

I think it's ok to treat certain claims as alignment-indicative as long as we continue to also read those players behaviourally and cross-check the conclusions.

I haven’t see Taly react like this as scum but I have extremely limited experience playing with scum!him but unlike you, I see this as town indicative for him. Why do you think otherwise?

I have no experience with Taly.
Nothing in his behaviour prior to this point indicated that he was prone to sudden aggressive emotional outbursts. He seemed emotionally stable and objective. Without a progression to follow the sudden appearance of strong frustration does strike me as fake. Obviously it is very possible that I misread his general mentality, especially if you have meta of him doing this as town.

[Deimos27]

though, why were you townreading taly for up to this point?

Tone and claim.

Good vote on Gamma. I think you two are not TvT. That said, I'm actually gonna test something different:

VOTE: Good Luck Buddy
I cannot currently elaborate

[Deimos27]

so uh
im not reading all this
whats up

Hi!
Read my ISO at least :D

[Deimos27]

Ok so it's like really hard for me to justify still voting PookyBringer after 1073.

One question though
@Good Luck Buddy
Did you determine who it was who gave that argument for town!Ircher which you falsely remembered

me

making?

[Deimos27]

Whichever one of you that was, I think fire

[Deimos27]

Whichever one of you that was, I think fire

No Pooky. He has excellent reads ftr.

I mean that Fire is who I'm addressing my question to.
I am aware that Pooky wrote 1073

[Deimos27]

Yeah 1073 is real BBE

BBE?

[Deimos27]

I swear there are like 20 new acronyms since I last played only a year and a half ago

[Deimos27]

RC doesn't pickup his outbox reliably, my action is still sitting there. I could tote rescind it. Not sure if I want to though.

Please tell me who you targeted so I can tell you whether to rescind it

[Deimos27]

It better be someone you have a strong SR on and not a random inactive player

[Deimos27]

If you're gonna kill 2 people including yourself it better be > rand hitting scum

[Deimos27]

It is important to me to hear who the target is for mechanical reasons

[Deimos27]

UNVOTE:
I still want an answer from Fire when they get online

[Deimos27]

Friends should I vote Datisi or Gamma

[Deimos27]

VOTE: Gamma

[Deimos27]

Been a while since last VC I think but p sure this is the larger wagon anyway

[Deimos27]

You two are my strongest SRs

[Deimos27]

why

I find your reads weird and forced, particularly wrt Ircher and Datisi, Datisi wrt Ydra and me.

For individual tells I admit I am relying mainly on events that happened relatively early in this game. Your first vote on Ircher and Datisi's first townlean of me.

Ah there was also that one post where you were like "good townblock forming" that was like ???

I agree with previous posters that 1182 is an awful reaction

[Deimos27]

i am not wisdom
but because i chose an L avatar when i made the account, with no prior knowledge of wisdom, i am resigned to forever living in his shadow

[Deimos27]

When is Fire usually online my question about the false memory of me making an Ircher towncase continues to go unanswered and now it's been so long no one is gonna care about it anymore

[Deimos27]

I guess I'll explain my temporary GLB vote then to put that q in context for y'all

[Deimos27]

I literally cased Gamma's Ircher vote in a neighbourhood and that argument involved indirect soft defense of Ircher's readslist with comments saying e.g. that the readslist was "RVSy" and that the high confidence figures are obviously ironic and to suggest otherwise is "ridiculous".

GLB is not in said neighbourhood

Yet fire's comments were iirc very much in the context of that particular readslist, and they said they thought it was

me

who had a good point about Ircher potentially still being in his town range.

Implies they were communicated the content of my case in a scum PT and misremembered that it was in main thread

Implies guilt

[Deimos27]

But then Pooky spewed some hella towny content so maybe it's just coincidence

[Deimos27]

I said all this in the hood too but everyone has been ignoring me making me feel like I'm saying something really dumb

But it looks legit like potential scumslip to me

[Deimos27]

he probably made that shit up to try to get you to SR him

Fire was in serious mode had nothing to do with provoking SRs

[Deimos27]

Spoiler:

i do townread sakura/deimos27
i have weak scumread on ircher but i thought deimos had a valid point and i could see this just being his town game.

I don't remember making an argument for town!Ircher. I moved off him because I sr Gamma's sr of him.
It's not impossible that's a bus ofc but if it can just as well be explained as SvT I prefer Gamma.

Ohh i think someone else said it. Now i have to go back and reread

anyways my thought of him not being scum was him doing this exact same thing where he posts this really early random feeling weak list of reads and he was town doing it. He also got scumread to death for it. I don't think this makes ircher = town; but it does mean my initial weak scumread mean absolutely nothin right now

[Deimos27]

I'm not allowed to quote from PT I assume but I can copy-paste right?

[Deimos27]

Oh no cannot even copy

[Deimos27]

Want these in the same post

Spoiler:

I literally cased Gamma's Ircher vote in a neighbourhood and that argument involved indirect soft defense of Ircher's readslist with comments saying e.g. that the readslist was "RVSy" and that the high confidence figures are obviously ironic and to suggest otherwise is "ridiculous".

GLB is not in said neighbourhood

Yet fire's comments were iirc very much in the context of that particular readslist, and they said they thought it was

me

who had a good point about Ircher potentially still being in his town range.

Implies they were communicated the content of my case in a scum PT and misremembered that it was in main thread

Implies guilt

Spoiler:

i do townread sakura/deimos27
i have weak scumread on ircher but i thought deimos had a valid point and i could see this just being his town game.

I don't remember making an argument for town!Ircher. I moved off him because I sr Gamma's sr of him.
It's not impossible that's a bus ofc but if it can just as well be explained as SvT I prefer Gamma.

Ohh i think someone else said it. Now i have to go back and reread

anyways my thought of him not being scum was him doing this exact same thing where he posts this really early random feeling weak list of reads and he was town doing it. He also got scumread to death for it. I don't think this makes ircher = town; but it does mean my initial weak scumread mean absolutely nothin right now

[Deimos27]

It's one of those things where it could easily be coincidence but fmpov it looked suuuper sus

Hopefully these comments will at least motivate Fire to respond to me and reflect on the source of their false memory—though at this point I am kind of expecting an "eh been too long I don't remember" (please try and remember)

[Deimos27]

I have been up about 40h straight with just one 3h nap in the middle of the day because my college is sadistic, so facts are definitely something I might be prone to getting wrong atm

Are you able to pull up the post whose content and author you mistook?

[Deimos27]

idek why i would be discussing a case on someone in a scum pt
my usual comments in a scum pt is something akin to "i think we can push x", or "x is looking like a threat"
or wait r u talking about someone mentioned a case in scum pt and i mistook it for here?

Yeah I mean I feel like I'm wearing the biggest tinfoil hat in the history of tinfoil hats but the thing is

I said something along the lines of "scum is probably in this game and can take advantage of this to fake resonance with me but I

dare

them to try, I'll spot the tmi" (because at the time I'd said in thread I wouldn't be elaborating on my read because I wanted to see who'd resonate with me without elaboration)

So I

kinda

had made an explicit attempt to provoke scum as well.

And yeah I was thinking maybe some scumpartner just decided to summarise what I said in their PT, perhaps for the strategic reason I just outlined or because they thought my attempted provocation was funny or smth idk

[Deimos27]

It's ok I unvoted you when Pooky was making some magical town posts but I did want to have this interaction and maybe get other people's input on my degree of sanity or insanity

Like I think you're towny in every other way and it's just this one thing which threw me off because it's so significant if true

[Deimos27]

I'm not tr'ing CheekyWings. They (or more specifically, Nancy I think?) remind me of scum!Noraa with just the avalanche of AtE spew and self-meta.

But people seem to concur that for their meta it's indeed town-ai?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Deimos27]

Still feeling Gamma or Datisi for the lim today.
I think they both said my reads like aren't nuanced enough or based on recent enough events or smth and yeah maybe for over 70 pages you're supposed to have the whole playerlist sorted already but there's so much to catch up on always that I'm really not getting much out of what is essentially skimming

My reads are gonna be pretty tonal and general for now, and it shouldn't be a surprise that the tells I prefer to rely on are gonna be for events that I'm actually around for

[Deimos27]

Ok good night for now

[Deimos27]

Here again
Catching up

[Deimos27]

i am not impressed with deimos's return

and i dislike his defence(?) of saying that he still thinks i or gamma are the best votes today. like, i already said why i disliked his original sus on me (though i didn't necessarily find him scummy)

I have no recollection of what you said that constituted disliking my sus of you
You used a meta tell to townlean me that should have led you to a scumlean instead
And then said you weren't metareading me because you were going off of a time I did self meta
Which is like I don't care about the semantics of whether it was or was not "meta"; I wasn't acting remotely enthusiastic so your read was the opposite your tell should have indicated so you are tmi

, and uh, yeah, if you're self-proclaimed to be very excited about solving as town, is you not solving a single thing about two slots you sussed at thw very beginning of the game not concerning?

It's pretty normal in mafia for some reason to exaggerate and misrepresent the words of other people to make your argument stronger. I'm quite fed up with it.
I'm not self-proclaimed to be "very excited about solving" as town, I'm self-proclaimed to "enjoy the game" as town.
That has no bearing on how much I'm solving.
I am very much enjoying this game less, either because it's role madness or it's a large, idk, the hyperposting is painful and all the claims are confusing.
This is not something I really knew about myself until I started this game because I play near-exclusively in open queue.
This is why the meta of me doesn't apply anyway in this particular game. (Well it does in the sense I'd be enjoying this even that much less as scum. The prospect is terrifying)

and i think he commented how he can't have the whole playerlist sorted by now or how his reads are more tone/vibe based, which was never my point against him? (if it was gamma's, then /shrug, but.)

Gamma said my reads weren't "nuanced", so that was in response to her yes.
You've complained about me not doing enough sorting which is the relevance of me explaining why I'm finding sorting difficult in this game.
Well just now you said I'm not sorting specifically you and Gamma enough. Which is weird because I already have scumtells I'm working with on you 2 and that makes you > rand scum fmpov compared to everyone else, so unless I think I'm gonna get stronger tells from you I don't see why my analysis should focus on you when I have 10 quadrillion null reads here. As you can see I worked on GLB most recently.

I want to emphasise that I DO think my tells on you and Gamma are good enough. Putting a lot of effort into overanalysing more recent posts which don't jump out at me but look more nullish is just exposing myself to recency bias. I strongly disagree with this philosophy that I should be concentrating my analysis on the slots I already have tells for.

[Deimos27]

My conclusion on the GLB episode is that they are town in every other way apart from the potentially-maybe-scumslip so def not worth limming, more of a permanent igmeoy slot.

[Deimos27]

we have a town role

GODZILLA

anyone who fears us can't kill us.

fear = scumread

so if you quote this post and say "I scumread this"

your nightkill on us would fail

that's why I'm trying to get everyone to scumread me

so I can be NIGHTKILL IMMUNE FROM EVERYONE

also we town af

That said, this post is actually super scummy.
I think I sr them now

[Deimos27]

But I’m asking if the wagon on me was most likely town, then Gamma if scum, has buddies decided to completely desert him because scum clearly did not try to derail that wagon.

is this really something that can be concluded? what i mean is, a lot of the game is barely playing. scum didn't try to derail the wagon sure, but how many people did even post around that time? like, how many potential scum were even around to do anything?

Furthermore, I mean in Nightless Vanilla we had a team of... 4 scum? I forget. Anyway effectively everyone bussed Clemency D1.
There's an argument to be made that it's different when it's Clemency, but idk sometimes scum just busses and the wagon doesn't have much resistance.
And sometimes the people not bussing don't towncase or try actively to derail but semi-passively hang around with their votes on different wagons, for a variety of reasons, whether low WIM or some situational difficulty in faking reads. Faking towncases of scumbuddies is doable but not easy at least for me.

oh yeah, i am also not sure if i buy jjh's argument for deimos being town. i'm not sure he appeared to actually truly believe what he was saying, considering he didn't even vote there. jjh, if you can elaborate on why you think deimos seemed so certain about the Weak Argument, that'd be cool, because i did not get that impression at all

If you've been paying attention you would notice that I voted there a while ago, and said "I cannot elaborate at this time" because I wasn't sure I should out my presence in the hood or reveal to Fire my motivation for asking about the false memory. I then unvoted when Pooky townspewed. You are correct that the combination of behavioural towntelling and a complete lack of acknowledgement of my scumslip argument in the hood had resulted in me being very unconfident about my case when I posted it in an effort to finally get engagement.

[Deimos27]

I like CheekyWings these days

[Deimos27]

Everything I said about AtE spew and self-meta has vanished and now it's all generally active and productive sorting
They're perhaps skilled enough to fake it but go above my town line for now

[Deimos27]

Anyone on right now?

[Deimos27]

i am on, about to go for my 10pm walk, and i am not in the mood to read wallposts

is there something simpler you wanna talk about

I had nothing in particular in mind.
Do you still sr Ydra?
Who's your strongest tr?

[Deimos27]

I’m on
Beginning to feel a mixture of outrage and depression because it feels like the only people who are bothering to take my side are doing so with ulterior motives in mind. So like, it’s probably best to just get rid of me now but I also don’t want to leave yet.

You think the people taking your side are scum TMI'ing or what do you mean by ulterior motives?

[Deimos27]

considering i am still null on half the playerlist

On that I can relate

[Deimos27]

Was there something in particular you liked from Cheeky

[Deimos27]

i skimmed the deimos posts and it's one of those posts where i have to actually sit down and type up a big and convoluted answer that nobody actually cares about

I was half considering ignoring you myself because I think town still predominantly tr's me and I find it unlikely your arguments are going to convince them otherwise.
But I'd like to see what you have to say so unless you have something else you wanted to prioritise analysing I'd appreciate if you made at least a brief response.

[Deimos27]

The main thing feeding that fear is Loftwing’s behavior, he is taking the 2 highly suspected slots and himself and trying to band us together. Meanwhile, I feel good about neither of the 2 not-me people in his supposed townblock. There’s also Titus saying she’s standing with me but not actually voting with me on Loftwing and instead voting Ircher.

We have such an immense amount of anti-resonance because posts I see as jokes worth ignoring (see: Ircher's first "readslist", now Loftwing's "townblock") you seem to take very seriously. So you think scum!Loftwing was trying to get towncred off "townblocking" you and Ircher, when that post was clearly accompanied by multiple other posts espousing not even to be reading the game?

[Deimos27]

Deimos I responded 2 u

Yep saw it just had to go back and re-read the Loftwing posts and think about it

[Deimos27]

The main thing feeding that fear is Loftwing’s behavior, he is taking the 2 highly suspected slots and himself and trying to band us together. Meanwhile, I feel good about neither of the 2 not-me people in his supposed townblock. There’s also Titus saying she’s standing with me but not actually voting with me on Loftwing and instead voting Ircher.

We have such an immense amount of anti-resonance because posts I see as jokes worth ignoring (see: Ircher's first "readslist", now Loftwing's "townblock") you seem to take very seriously. So you think scum!Loftwing was trying to get towncred off "townblocking" you and Ircher, when that post was clearly accompanied by multiple other posts espousing not even to be reading the game?

Or like what do you see as the scum motivation y'know

[Deimos27]

also i just found out i passed a report i wrote on monday so at least one good thing in this shitty week

congrats btw

[Deimos27]

Deimos are you willing to CFD Firebear?
~C

No I said I'd rather not lim them today.
I tr them behaviourally apart from the potential scumslip and I consider Fire at least, when town, to be a great asset.
They are on igmeoy probation subject to daily re-evaluation.

[Deimos27]

Even if it’s a joke it (as in, the post) still deserves death I think
Compare how he’s acting here to how he acted in this game, then try and tell me don’t understand why I’m being very critical of what Loft is doing.

I skimmed that ISO and this is not an unreasonable take

[Deimos27]

As in your take is not unreasonable

[Deimos27]

Even if it’s a joke it (as in, the post) still deserves death I think
Compare how he’s acting here to how he acted in this game, then try and tell me don’t understand why I’m being very critical of what Loft is doing.

Gamma I just think killing loft who is a claimed miller and low content slot, just doesn't help us much at this stage. If they keep it up in coming phases sure. Toog could've sorted them for us but c'est la vie.
~C

I do also agree with this

[Deimos27]

Even if it’s a joke it (as in, the post) still deserves death I think
Compare how he’s acting here to how he acted in this game, then try and tell me don’t understand why I’m being very critical of what Loft is doing.

I skimmed that ISO and this is not an unreasonable take

Based on this meta it might be that Loft is town if and only if low WIM
So ideally they would hop on to explain what the current state of their motivation is and why

[Deimos27]

Deimos are you willing to CFD Firebear?
~C

No I said I'd rather not lim them today.
I tr them behaviourally apart from the potential scumslip and I consider Fire at least, when town, to be a great asset.
They are on igmeoy probation subject to daily re-evaluation.

Fire's never town though. But fine. I'll bury my dreams of an open wolf elim today.
~C

Convince me they're open wolf?

[Deimos27]

TBH I've just been interpreting "WIM" as synonymous with "motivation" so just to make sure I'm not miscommunicating can someone elaborate briefly on what "want it more" exactly is supposed to be mean cause I've seen this acronym thrown around a lot in the last few games I've played

[Deimos27]

@Loftwing

, since you're here, how motivated do you feel to play this game right now and why?

[Deimos27]

I mean they've claimed it themselves 50 times. A quick look at their ISO is all the evidence you need. Y'all can keep thinking it's a joke but I can see through the smoke and mirrors (this is a fantastic pun BTW, go me)
~C

If you're being serious I'm gonna need you to elaborate.
If you're just committing to the sr roleplay to give them their ostensible nk immunity, wink twice.

[Deimos27]

Spoiler:

hmm

This seems like miller -equity

[Deimos27]

Ok, I respect that perspective actually.
Of course I want to believe that they are scum because I want to believe that my scumslip analysis was galaxy brain.

[Deimos27]

I will additionally note that compared to other claims so far theirs is clearly fakeclaimable as scum because being nk proof is unfalsifiable.
I know that's very uninformative because I'm basically saying the claim is nai but just wanted to emphasise that in this game where a lot of people are getting tr'd for their claims, PookyBringer should not be one of them.

[Deimos27]

Spoiler:

like me/firebringer had a convo about Koba

he told me that it would be IMPOSSIBLE for me to get Koba to SR me because Koba was hard TRing me for MEGA TURBOPOSTING

and I told him nah, I can play Koba like a violin.

Then I started to replicate my scumgame from the two most memorable scum games I played with Koba , aka random bullshit aggression in multiple directions + lol-roster-list.

and then Koba promptly started scumreading me.

Is town!Koba really so easy to play?

I think yes.

so skews town.

but Maybe Koba is actually BIGBRAINING that I want them to SR me

and decided to replicate their town progression.

but honestly I doubt it

cuz Koba like an open book to me.

so they town.

I take it you think this post is perfectly fakeable for them?

[Deimos27]

blep

Victorine, I've seen you speak actual words so what's going on here, does your post restriction intensify over time or something

[Deimos27]

granted i see deimos's later posts saying that he was on this longer than i thought so an actual responsible citizen of the town would go back and reread, i might do that at some point, maybe not, we'll see

Here you go

Spoiler:

though, why were you townreading taly for up to this point?

Tone and claim.

Good vote on Gamma. I think you two are not TvT. That said, I'm actually gonna test something different:

VOTE: Good Luck Buddy
I cannot currently elaborate

Ok so it's like really hard for me to justify still voting PookyBringer after 1073.

One question though
@Good Luck Buddy
Did you determine who it was who gave that argument for town!Ircher which you falsely remembered

me

making?

UNVOTE:
I still want an answer from Fire when they get online

When is Fire usually online my question about the false memory of me making an Ircher towncase continues to go unanswered and now it's been so long no one is gonna care about it anymore

I guess I'll explain my temporary GLB vote then to put that q in context for y'all

And that is when I publicised my argument

[Deimos27]

granted i see deimos's later posts saying that he was on this longer than i thought so an actual responsible citizen of the town would go back and reread, i might do that at some point, maybe not, we'll see

Here you go

Spoiler:

though, why were you townreading taly for up to this point?

Tone and claim.

Good vote on Gamma. I think you two are not TvT. That said, I'm actually gonna test something different:

VOTE: Good Luck Buddy
I cannot currently elaborate

Ok so it's like really hard for me to justify still voting PookyBringer after 1073.

One question though
@Good Luck Buddy
Did you determine who it was who gave that argument for town!Ircher which you falsely remembered

me

making?

UNVOTE:
I still want an answer from Fire when they get online

When is Fire usually online my question about the false memory of me making an Ircher towncase continues to go unanswered and now it's been so long no one is gonna care about it anymore

I guess I'll explain my temporary GLB vote then to put that q in context for y'all

And that is when I publicised my argument

So the timeline here is that I already had my scumslip hypothesis at 930 and had already lost a lot of confidence in it at 1073

[Deimos27]

I don't know why you'd be scunreading me based on my claims.
Also, you can just point to games where I was town and say that I was more active there, but what about scum games?

I've said this before and I'll say it again:

The purpose of Meta isn't to justify an execution on a player. The purpose of Meta isn't to get others to execute a player.
Meta is most useful to determine where you should be looking for scum.
Meta is not a Compass, which points at scum, Meta is a Map, which shows where scum might be.

If it doesn't make sense that your flavour claim could be given the miller role then it obviously stands to reason that one would assume you are lying.
The point about needing to look at scum games also, when it comes to meta, is valid

[Deimos27]

re: 2155, I have 130 posts in this game and I don't think you can ISO me and say with intellectual honesty that my play has been characterised by handwaving everyone's content except two early tells from you + Gamma. I have consistently chimed in on lots of players. Your entire case on me boils down to "he would be posting more" and "he would be posting more detailed analysis", both of which fail simply due to considerations both practical and WIM that I brought out regarding this being a large hyperposting role madness game. I'll bring in yet another pure practical time-based consideration that has nothing to do with enjoyment: I mentioned that I had a 40h stint awake at once with 3h of sleep because "my college is sadistic". Needless to say I have a

wee

bit of schoolwork here halfway through term.

One second you say that I need to analyse you more because so far I only have "scumpings" (I have explicitly emphasised that I believe my tells to be stronger than pings), the next that you actually don't expect my analysis to be centred on you.

In summary I think you just expect too much, given the circumstances. You are free to disagree but I'd rather not really argue about it anymore.

Also I don't see what's wrong with using "correct conclusion for the wrong reasons" as a tell, that's like paradigmatic tmi. Especially when it's "correct conclusion for reasons that should have led to a wrong conclusion". I recognise that you claim that your evaluation of me only meant to reach some minimum standard of "not hating their life" on the basis of which you gave me a townlean. I don't buy at all that anyone would realistically set the bar that low for distinguishing scum WIM from town WIM.

[Deimos27]

I'll make the concession that Datisi has engaged me here in what has felt like far better faith than I can really remember ever engaging with scum.
And so I'll bite on this to show my willingness to reconsider:

I feel way more confident on Dats now. I really feel he’s been honestly sorting.

Any posts in particular?

[Deimos27]

Wrt reading into Loftwing flavour can I just point out that if he was gonna fakeclaim miller why would he trueclaim flavour that didn't make sense for miller.
If anything the fact that we need to stretch the logic to get a miller out of his flavourclaim is town-ai imo.

And I trust the assessment of CheekyWing that the meta thing does absolutely nothing for us.

I'm just happy about how cooperative Jake was. Contrary to popular skepticism at the time I think we managed to be fairly successful at eliciting content from him.

[Deimos27]

I don't think you can ISO me and say with intellectual honesty that my play has been characterised by handwaving everyone's content except two early tells from you + Gamma.

good thing that's not what i'm saying. your play has been characterized by handwaving all of the content i and gamma have produced that happened after your pings. as in, it feels like you're not taking anything else we're saying into consideration. i wasn't saying that about literally everyone's content.

Ok well then I doubly don't understand how you can consistently say that you think it's fine for me not to focus on you two.
I guess you're saying I need to focus a little more than I have so far but I don't need to focus much more?

Lest people forget I'm gonna remind everyone of all the other reasons I cited for my reads on Gamma and Dat:

1. Gamma's Datisi read
2. Datisi's Ydra read
3. Gamma talking about a "good townblock forming"
4. Gamma's 1182

No one asked for elaboration on these they went straight to an "omg you're actually still using those

old

tells how bad is that" type mentality.
Guess what, I think those tells are important, so I'm gonna continue to cite them.

Do you think I'm being disingenuous when I say that I think my tells on you are good enough to focus on sorting other players? Because that's what matters. Disagreeing with my scumhunting philosophy of focusing on players from whom I've not gotten a tell I consider reliable is one thing, thinking I'm scum faking the belief that you and Gamma fall into this category is another.

[Deimos27]

I don't buy at all that anyone would realistically set the bar that low for distinguishing scum WIM from town WIM.

at the beginning of the game where i am usually scraping the bottom of the barrel in order to have reads that i know i need to keep the game moving? the bar is on the floor.

The problem isn't where the bar is for getting a read
The problem is where the bar is for getting the

type

of read
Your bar could well be on the floor but I think that's only reason for you to have therefore scumleaned me

[Deimos27]

I'll make the concession that Datisi has engaged me here in what has felt like far better faith than I can really remember ever engaging with scum.
And so I'll bite on this to show my willingness to reconsider:

I feel way more confident on Dats now. I really feel he’s been honestly sorting.

Any posts in particular?

I already mentioned his Gypyx read and I’m sure I can find more. He sounds nothing here like 2246 where most of reads read really fake to me, so I really don’t get why you sr him?

Was his gypyx read anything other than the post where he said "lukewarm take: I think gypyx is town"
That's the post you're tr'ing?

As for the second bit, you're using meta that I don't have to justify your reads again
Which I appreciate but doesn't really help me :/

[Deimos27]

Ok like maybe what I'm calling resistance to "recency bias" is actually just being tunneled so I encourage you to convince me dat is town

[Deimos27]

I am currently thinking

[Deimos27]

They come in with filler content by asking them "which movie" which had no relation to what Galron was previously stating then goes on to say they will not read and say they will vote the biggest wagon -- which is ok ig... but stil not a favorable thing to do (sheeping is usually done by scum after laziness is prompted)

I kind of actually agree with this part just because as scum I often do the same thing where I make some game-related posts and then out of the blue throw in some weird non game-related comment (like "which movie") which is psychologically I guess a result of some inclination to show that I'm relaxed, happy to chat about stuff with my mates, but in this context looks a bit unnatural

3rd -- they come in and say they want people's thoughts after a prompted assumtpion they was going to read the last page and sheep whomever -- meaning they have done an uncious tell of hey im just gonna act like imm doing something by asking other people what their thoughts on this but im not gonna listen to you because im voting whomever is the biggest majority since i already told myself that i wasn't gonna read past info.

This reasoning on the other hand I don't get at all

[Deimos27]

Spoiler:

I don't think you can ISO me and say with intellectual honesty that my play has been characterised by handwaving everyone's content except two early tells from you + Gamma.

good thing that's not what i'm saying. your play has been characterized by handwaving all of the content i and gamma have produced that happened after your pings. as in, it feels like you're not taking anything else we're saying into consideration. i wasn't saying that about literally everyone's content.

Ok well then I doubly don't understand how you can consistently say that you think it's fine for me not to focus on you two.
I guess you're saying I need to focus a little more than I have so far but I don't need to focus much more?

Lest people forget I'm gonna remind everyone of all the other reasons I cited for my reads on Gamma and Dat:

1. Gamma's Datisi read
2. Datisi's Ydra read
3. Gamma talking about a "good townblock forming"
4. Gamma's 1182

No one asked for elaboration on these they went straight to an "omg you're actually still using those

old

tells how bad is that" type mentality.
Guess what, I think those tells are important, so I'm gonna continue to cite them.

Do you think I'm being disingenuous when I say that I think my tells on you are good enough to focus on sorting other players? Because that's what matters. Disagreeing with my scumhunting philosophy of focusing on players from whom I've not gotten a tell I consider reliable is one thing, thinking I'm scum faking the belief that you and Gamma fall into this category is another.

I understand why you think this but even if Gamma’s scum here, which I think is possible, Gamma’s pushing Dats here reads more to me like a possible tmi on Ydra if anything and I’m not even sure on that but why hypothetically would Gamma!scum going down redact their sr on Dats if he’s a buddy?

I know that’s the conclusion I initially jumped too but I think based off of meta, if Gamma’s scum here, this reads more like a push on town!Dats than SvS to me.

I think if Gamma’s actually scum with Dats, he’d scumread him for something that actually sounds scummy, not “he’s threatened by Ydra townreads”. Iow, scum!Gamma pushing a buddy would find something clearly scum indicative about their buddy. So if Gamma’s scum, then I think it’s SvT because this isn’t the way scum!Gamma pushes a buddy. If scum (and I’m still on the fence about that), this is the way he pushes town. So I think Gamma/Dats are unaligned.

I didn't mean to argue that they're teamed. I was hoping they'd be but I wasn't really expecting to be right about both.

In my experience scum's information advantage can make them see all sorts of ghost scumreads on their buddies that to the rest of town don't look "clearly scum indicative" but to the scum looks so clearly scum indicative that they feel strongly inclined to bus for it. Whether Gamma is the kind of player who'd make that kind of novice mistake is another matter, and the answer I guess is probably not, so in that sense I agree. And yeah instead of redacting his sr of Dat on death's row I do suspect he would've doubled down or at least kept things as they were for distancing if they were buddies.

So all in all I guess I see this as a good bit of reasoning? And even if I wasn't really expecting to be correct about both of them the fact that I'm likely to be wrong about at least one does now make me doubt my competence on the other a little more.

[Deimos27]

I was kinda leaning town on GrandpaMo tbh
And I'm not really understanding what the case against them is exactly

[Deimos27]

VOTE: grandpmamo
his response to my frustration really just sucks, it feels like he’s trying to call my feelings fake which is both scummy and kinda shitty personally

I get wrongly accused of that all the time and yeah it definitely sucks but I don’t see why that makes him scum?

+1
Analysing the genuineness of feelings is not scummy and it's kind of inevitable in a game involving lying and faking content and AtE etc etc
Though I understand it sucks

[Deimos27]

if anyone is asset this game its gonna be u and jjh. I trust u 2 insights more than mine when it comes to analysis

On what basis do you trust

my

analysis?
I'm flattered ofc but v skeptical cause I don't remember off the top of my head any meta we have apart from nightless vanilla where I was scum

[Deimos27]

Well add another tick mark to people who’s defenses of me give me the creeps then
And I’m not exactly mad at you rn, I’m just bothered and confused by your actions around me.

Gamma not doing a terrible job of AtE'ing me these days
But I disagree with the reasoning on the Mo vote so strongly
It's like the millionth anti-resonance read I have with Gamma

[Deimos27]

Someone said Gamma reads as either defeated scum or defeated town and yeah I think that's just defeat I'm picking up

[Deimos27]

On what basis do you trust my analysis?

well that nightless game gave me good impression of u as analytical player

I like to think of myself as analytical but surely you can't tell my read accuracy from a scumgame
It looks ultra-pockety to say that

[Deimos27]

It is currently raining, which therefore means it is the best time to perform divination of player's alignments.

Great idea! What do the stars say is your alignment?

Loftwing should drop their natal chart, I'll read their alignment from transits.
Currently all of the sun, mercury, and mars are vibing in my scorpio rising, close to conjunct with my natal venus
Just screams town vibes

On what basis do you trust my analysis?

well that nightless game gave me good impression of u as analytical player

I like to think of myself as analytical but surely you can't tell my read accuracy from a scumgame
It looks ultra-pockety to say that

true i have no idea what ur read accuracy is.
good analysis proving my point

Analysis that's put me right back to being super suspicious of you
Did Pooky tell you he wants to pocket me again in your scum PT

[Deimos27]

if anyone is asset this game its gonna be u and jjh. I trust u 2 insights more than mine when it comes to analysis

Taly what do you think of this post given the context that Fire has never played with town!me and is basing his opinion off of the analytical playstyle I displayed in a scumgame

[Deimos27]

Yeah no I'm reading Mo's posts as town tbh
I have to go through the chains of reasoning really slowly to even barely comprehend them but the main point is that they're blurted out at such a fast pace and consistent convoluted density that I couldn't imagine being able to fake it as scum.
Can someone walk me through why the hedging on gamma is scum-ai

[Deimos27]

I mean this could also be attributable to me struggling to follow the conversation in general because I've let it get to almost 4am again

[Deimos27]

You have very idiosyncratic grammar Mo

[Deimos27]

Maybe everyone else is used to it or smth

[Deimos27]

That was a response to me Taly

[Deimos27]

I'd have pitched in on this discussion when I got here but for whatever reason I don't really have an angle for placing GrandpaMo at present so I've instead been looking at old games, given that Nancy implied Victorine was probably NicoRobin/Yume/Aelita/who knows how many alts and that's actually pretty plausible but I don't think it means a lot other than that I'm even more happy to elim there than before

I might be interested in throwing in some Victorine pressure. Gamma will always exist as deadline elim.
I feel like my vote being parked there is no longer actually helping to sort him.
What is it about those alts that makes Victorine an even better elim?

[Deimos27]

VOTE: Victorine
This will at the very least also force me to re-evaluate Gamma once before I can go back over there

[Deimos27]

Here's the thing about the post restriction.
We've seen some posts from Victorine that don't appear post restricted at all.
We've seen some posts with apparent restrictions that immediately vanish and different ones appear thereafter.
Either there really exists some general post restriction that encompasses all the variety in posts we've seen from Victorine (press x to doubt) or RC is like actively changing Victorine's post restrictions (which would be an insane amount of work, so... press x to doubt)

[Deimos27]

Here's the thing about the post restriction.
We've seen some posts from Victorine that don't appear post restricted at all.
We've seen some posts with apparent restrictions that immediately vanish and different ones appear thereafter.
Either there really exists some general post restriction that encompasses all the variety in posts we've seen from Victorine (press x to doubt) or RC is like actively changing Victorine's post restrictions (which would be an insane amount of work, so... press x to doubt)

Ok but counter consideration:
Why would scum fake such a haphazard post restriction, knowing it's gonna look unrealistic.
Why wouldn't they choose one post restriction and use it consistently?

[Deimos27]

In any case I definitely want this slot to attempt content and the only way we're gonna tease it out is with pressure at this point

[Deimos27]

Now I'm finally off to bed for the night

[Deimos27]

I feel like I am repeating everything I have said -- I already this like two times. You may just have not understood it, which would make sense.

It could honestly be "roll a die in this PT and reference this chart of post restrictions".

This is the most promising guess anyone has made so far.
The fact remains that Victorine is clearly capable at least occasionally of making posts that aren't restricted.
So why won't they play the game.

Why are you voting me Grandpa?

like this is such a weird post to come back and return to ?

they come say this and never talk ever again.

like the question itself is a not even a good question -- like?

im obviously voting you for a specific reason??

Agreed
Mo articulated their reasons multiple times

[Deimos27]

Spoiler:

I am not going to read 80 pages after coming in late. Likely will just vote the biggest wagon.

Anyone else who came in late, would like to hear your thoughts.

Looking at the activity overview, read Clemency's ISO, there's less there than from anyone who started on time.

What's up Clemency?

I don't think this progression is as bad as some have said.
In fact I don't see anything wrong with it at all.

[Deimos27]

Galron is like nullscum for me for a few gut/tonal things but I wouldn't prioritise a wagon there
Am happy to wait and see how their reads progress for now

[Deimos27]

Dat I saw your post and I do disagree with your view that I should be engaging your slot more
I can only engage so many slots and obviously I will come back to yours eventually when I sort some of my nulls
I haven't voted you and I don't think you should have a problem unless I'm using my preliminary impressions to justify a late vote on you
If I still vote you later I promise to you it will be based on more

But this has been argued ad nauseam
And as you said I don't think we'll make progress by going on for 10 more pages
So yeah let's move on in life

[Deimos27]

CW, the only reason you've presented for voting Ircher is a behavioural tell that you don't want to out, right?
How confident are you about the read?
If you won't out it I can't really sheep it unless you claim to be super super confident so I can hold you accountable on a greenflip.

[Deimos27]

Gamma, your statement that your voting history is fine is objectively wrong by the fact that many of your votes have in fact been called out. And no, your Queen vote was not townie and accomplished nothing other than looking busy.

Oh right there was this
Yeah it's pretty bad
Hmmm

[Deimos27]

"objectively wrong" is such misplaced certainty that it looks agenda-driven regardless of whether the agenda is to bus or to mislim

[Deimos27]

Ircher seems like a player who values rationality, I don't see how he just makes a blatant appeal to popularity about Gamma's voting instead of engaging it with either his own reasoning or asking Gamma to present

his

own.

[Deimos27]

Spoiler:

I am not going to read 80 pages after coming in late. Likely will just vote the biggest wagon.

Anyone else who came in late, would like to hear your thoughts.

Looking at the activity overview, read Clemency's ISO, there's less there than from anyone who started on time.

What's up Clemency?

I don't think this progression is as bad as some have said.
In fact I don't see anything wrong with it at all.

i can explain to u it if u really want me to again in simpler terms since im the one who brought it up fr

Yes please

[Deimos27]

Currently am considering if I actually want to vote Ircher

[Deimos27]

We could kill ratman instead you know. If we don't want to kill Gamma that is.

Ircher talk to me about the ratman read at some point

[Deimos27]

I'm gonna sleep on Ircher
Mo if you do your Galron explanation I'll read it tomorrow

[Deimos27]

but then literally contradicts his own thought process by saying anyone else who came in late "would like to hear your thoughts". why would you literally just state that you were late and weren't gonna read but then expect other people to read lol.

then literally goes to a random ass person clemency and just says whats up because they are "low activity" when they themselves are same + worse

I'm sorry
But that's not a contradiction
You're accusing Galron

at worst

of being a hypocrite

Just because Galron chooses not to read doesn't suddenly make it an unrealistic assumption from his pov that other latecomers would read.

[Deimos27]

I agree about the asking questions and not following up on them
I agree tonally on "which movie"
But I think these considerations are weak and point barely nullscum

[Deimos27]

Hi Taly I'm still thinking Mo is town
I think their brand of weirdlogic looks very different to what I'm used to seeing from scum-motivated weirdlogic
Not completely sure I can substantiate that though

[Deimos27]

Gamma are you serious about the daycop inno on Ircher

[Deimos27]

what's this button do?

VOTE: Clemency

oh shit im down VOTE: Clemency

This is poor N_M cosplay

[Deimos27]

Ok tell me if I'm getting this right Mo
You think that by asking for thoughts Galron is trying to get people to suggest scumreads, and that he is positioning himself strategically to vote either the biggest wagon or one of the scumreads, depending on which favours him more?

[Deimos27]

Who wants to help me prove that I can naked vote and get 10 votes behind me to lim someone?

Depends on how you propose to naked vote

[Deimos27]

who*

[Deimos27]

I don't think that abstractification helped me, Mo, and I don't think it's worth our time you trying to convince me otherwise at this point

If Galron doesn't show up with actual reads or engagement with the game I'm not opposed to throwing a wagon their way

[Deimos27]

Hi Clem how much reading did you manage to do?
You did promise the whole thread

[Deimos27]

As long as you are active in current discussions and generate reads in real time, I don't think people will hold not reading 110 pages against you

Please just be active in current discussions and generate reads in real time

[Deimos27]

Galron's ISO is only 19 posts, wanna argue about it

[Deimos27]

Mo thinks Galron uber scummy
I think they're maybe one or two hair's breadths +scum
What say you

[Deimos27]

About how scum they are
What does "I could beat that" mean

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Spoiler:

I'm gonna sleep on Ircher
Mo if you do your Galron explanation I'll read it tomorrow

ig i can just do a full scumcase but its literally basically just iso them --low content (asking questions but never following etc etc )


first -- they come in the conversation ignoring all the comotion and just posts filler content in 2044 by asking gamma what movie they watching

the main point is that

more specifically on that progression galron comes in saying they wont read 80 pages and will sheep the biggest wagon.

but then literally contradicts his own thought process by saying anyone else who came in late "would like to hear your thoughts". why would you literally just state that you were late and weren't gonna read but then expect other people to read lol.

then literally goes to a random ass person clemency and just says whats up because they are "low activity" when they themselves are same + worse


again asking questions never following up and votes ircher after sheeping titus i believe in 2137


then this post 2500 where u agreed with me. like its a stupid question -- i already answered this and its not even the fact that they asked that specific question its more like they just hop in to the convo and focus on me then leave lol

thats rlly it -- i just tried to make it more understandable vs what i wrote last time

Now that you have that context what would you say about this case
How much you agree, whether you get any vibes on Mo's alignment

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that other percent is me waiting for galron's response lol

Yep as mentioned I'm not opposed to voting him depending on the response

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to answer your question, i am down for a wagon on gmo

2603 on particular is a post i really dislike, mainly the "wow look this person made a contradiction! only scum makes a contradiction like this one!" when the contradiction itself is like... lol? i don't think it's a genuine thought process to say that someone saying they'll sheep the biggest wagon then actually asking someone about what is happening in the game is scum!indicative

What about a perspective like this then?
Some people disagree with aspects of Mo's logic to the extent that they scumread him

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ah you bastard i hate that you know how to actually get me to engage

They call me the Clemency whisperer

[Deimos27]

I was hoping to see a more critical examination of Mo but I'm not dissatisfied with your last few posts

p-edit: ah you know, people

[Deimos27]

Feel free to go to sleep
Thank you for engaging with me

[Deimos27]

Speak of the devil indeed
By "I can't keep up with this pace" what do you mean exactly with regards to your willingness to play the game? You've still been trying to develop reads, right?

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Mo might be expecting you to respond to their cases.
For me the emphasis was less on "response" and more on wanting to see you attempt substantively contributing

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I'm not going back to read 20+ pages everytime I log on, if that's what you're asking.

I'm asking how much you

are

willing to read.
I am also asking about your reads, i.e. whether you've developed any opinions about who is town/scum since you last apparated

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I'm glad Mo has a case on me. That's progress I suppose.

The gist of it can be collected from just my interaction with Clemency last page, though numerous elaborations are available in Mo's ISO

[Deimos27]

VOTE: Ircher

I stand with Gamma

What's the position?

Ircher scum, Gamma town

I get that.

Can you at least elaborate on these then

[Deimos27]

Oh I thought "I get that" meant you agreed
Given that you are voting Ircher you sr them surely?

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But with Ircher being the largest cw,

I was under the impression Gamma has been the largest almost all game

[Deimos27]

Ah cw for counterwagon that makes sense

[Deimos27]

Do you have even

one

read