Squid Game! Game Over!

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Like I will eventually when not working 12+ hour days

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Hey lots of posts I have a quick dinner break. What’s important?

Pick up parachutes.

That much I saw earlier. Anything else major?

Me/Koba and Loki/Noraa had a fight

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Math, Norwee said nothing about either you or Noraa sr me.

I am confused too. I think I messed something up in the n names somewhere. I don’t like when two players have similar names I get all confuzzled

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I wish i could say who loki is bc everyone would be like "yup town"

I already think they r town.
Who doesn't?

Math and Noraa apparently.

I am not decided on you.

Noraa

However, Math denied sr me, he claimed not to have a read on me, are you disputing this?

I said someone said math and I SRed Loki. And that person was Loki. Somehow Loki still thought that this happened in the pt?!

Yeah, I think I misunderstood that whole thing now.

Can we all just agree that if people have similar handles they have to replace in as an alt? (Joking)

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Tons of pages I am dead tired clocked out after almost making a bad mistake.

Does anyone have anything simple or can I read when I wake up?

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Major work day not sure what posting I will be able to do

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Ok A50/Mathblade are 100% scum here

Lol that’s why scum killed Noraa.

Two for one. I am not scum, I’ve hardly posted.

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We suspected Noraa would be the victim in Team Queen's PT. They had 2 requests for the start of today.

1) Scumread MathBlade

2) Everybody immediately claims who they attacked

I would add onto 2, that we preferably get it out as soon as possible before any major discussion happens today. So I'll start, I attacked Math. Noraa convinced me in the PT.

(It is very late for me and I'm trying to stop being an insomniac so hopefully my last post tonight)

I submitted Spamton.

Noraa had a ton of words I didn’t read. I am so busy it’s not even funny.

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Lol that’s why scum killed Noraa.

You think scum killed Noraa? I would be extremely surprised if that's who they chose to stack up on.

I won't give away the rest of my team's votes yet, but I voted for Noraa because I thought they were the best chance to coordinate on and not let scum get a free kill.

I do. Because then all the focus is on me and not on them. Then it’s open season on me when Noraa just rambled on and didn’t make any sense.

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If scum really got to choose, why wouldn't they take the opportunity to kill someone townread like MT or Loki? Noraa was probably going to die eventually, even if not immediately.

(Also, if you're town, wouldn't it benefit scum to leave Noraa alive so they can keep tunneling you...?)

No. That’s a bad scum kill because that would confirm the player that was widely townread is town. Those kills are bad.

And yes Noraa could have been left alive and tunnel me but then scum risk me towntelling later and blowing the plan apart.

We don’t know how we’re going to eventually eliminate scum do the more focus is not on them they’re winning.

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Like I don’t get all the sus on me simply because Noraa suspected me?

I haven’t been reading lol

I didn’t even realize Noraa had broken up the Spamton agreeement we had to vote Noraa.

This game is going so fast I am behind on so much.

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I didn’t even realize Noraa had broken up the Spamton agreeement we had to vote Noraa.

What does this mean?

If you're referring to what I put in my chart for Noraa's vote, it was just a guess.

We had a tentative agreement to try to get rid of lurker Spamton there there was like a billion posts (hyperbole) most of them Noraa and so apparently people decided to just shoot me or Noraa?

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Is anyone going to like ask questions of each other and communicate?
Or is everyone going to just scream ridiculous theories at each other?

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Math, here's something you can talk about.

There's pretty much no chance that scum chose to stack on Noraa if you're town. Meaning that, assuming scum did stack on someone, at least 7 of the people who claimed to vote Noraa (9 so far, but a few are unclaimed) are town. Does that make sense to you? What does that tell you about the gamestate?

In all honesty, I want to see your flip soon because I think it's super pivotal for understanding what happened in game 3. But right now you basically have the most valuable POV of anyone.

Nine people if the above post is right voted Noraa.

This means a minimum of three town voted Noraa.

This however does not mean that scum did not stack on Noraa only they lied about where their votes were.

I think hunting down votes will only be helpful for after we know someone’s alignment not before.

I still think scum probably dogpiled on Noraa because it’s free and doesn’t give away any information to town in a game where pressure and information are really hard to get.

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We’re looking at 11 v 6 right now. 12v6 before Noraa. We can assume Noraa voted me.

Assume 3 town voted Noraa as implied.

Then 8 town vs 6 scum.

Scum had their pick,

This means they picked Noraa.

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I still think scum probably dogpiled on Noraa because it’s free and doesn’t give away any information to town in a game where pressure and information are really hard to get.

Why wouldn't they at least try to kill someone towny? There's not much of a downside if they fail.

Why? The “towny” players haven’t elimmed a single scum.

The “towny” players are either doing scum’s job for them or are scum themselves.

The downside to killing people who are killing town is then you have to kill town.

We should be working from what is 100% true and then establishing things

Not spouting theories based on tainted popularity contests.

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They got Noraa

If there’s a traditional elim then when I flip down to 10

10 v 6 is almost impossible for us to win.

We need to focus on facts.

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Scum's goal is not to not die, it's to kill townies. Noraa was a townie who likely would have died later. That would just be a missed opportunity to take out someone like Loki who is never getting executed.

We don't know for sure this is what happened, but I've known "defending the scum's actions" to be a pretty decent scumtell, for what it's worth.

Scum’s goal is to get parity.
Two townies > One Townie
Especially when everyone is talking at each other rather than talking to each other.

Noraa is a brilliant null kill because they didn’t go for a Townie who had mile high reads and could be scrutinized they went for Noraa instead.

None of this is really helping to get the captains to figure out who they can trust. We need to do that so we can move forward and eliminate scum.

And “defending scum actions” isn’t a scumtell. A) because you’re arguing that’s not what they did making the majority of Noraa voters town or B) I am telling the truth against a wave of BS and I do that as scum because?

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Scum's goal is not to not die, it's to kill townies. Noraa was a townie who likely would have died later. That would just be a missed opportunity to take out someone like Loki who is never getting executed.

We don't know for sure this is what happened, but I've known "defending the scum's actions" to be a pretty decent scumtell, for what it's worth.

Scum’s goal is to get parity.
Two townies > One Townie
Especially when everyone is talking at each other rather than talking to each other.

Noraa is a brilliant null kill because they didn’t go for a Townie who had mile high reads and could be scrutinized they went for Noraa instead.

None of this is really helping to get the captains to figure out who they can trust. We need to do that so we can move forward and eliminate scum.

And “defending scum actions” isn’t a scumtell. A) because you’re arguing that’s not what they did making the majority of Noraa voters town or B) I am telling the truth against a wave of BS and I do that as scum because?

Say what?

What has you confused?

If scum tried to strongman kill someone besides Noraa then the people voting Noraa are more likely town
If scum tried to strongman kill Noraa it proves my point that people are arguing that scum would go for someone “towny”.

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Two townies > One Townie

The point is that they killed Noraa to frame you so you would die next?

Yes

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I guess it feels like you'd be

more

likely to die with Noraa alive, not less.

Predestination is a powerful mindfuckery too.

Predestined to die if Noraa is alive.
Predestined to die if Noraa is dead.

People make up their minds I am scum without cause and it seeps into people’s brains.
Repeat something enough and it takes hold. Like a parasite.

We know Noraa believed I was scum with their flip but that doesn’t make them right.

If being stubborn about a scumread made it right I would have a really good town win rate.

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I guess it feels like you'd be

more

likely to die with Noraa alive, not less.

Predestination is a powerful mindfuckery too.

Predestined to die if Noraa is alive.
Predestined to die if Noraa is dead.

People make up their minds I am scum without cause and it seeps into people’s brains.
Repeat something enough and it takes hold. Like a parasite.

We know Noraa believed I was scum with their flip but that doesn’t make them right.

If being stubborn about a scumread made it right I would have a really good town win rate.

Lemme break this down for you, I tr Wheme because he’s talking about other people than just themselves where as pretty much all of your posts are about you and why Noraa kill somehow spews you town. It doesn’t.

It does.

You just don’t want to believe it does.

If I am going down either way I don’t take out Noraa.

I have Noraa drown the thread in about a billion more posts.

The only reason this feels tmi is because I know I am town. I know therefore scum went for Noraa.

Figuring out who is scum though is like a needle in a hard place so I haven’t been talking other slots.

There’s a dearth of posting but no communicating.

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norwee replacing out really reduces team fun over here....RCE u better not leave too

Norway replaced out? Where?

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Team We're Trying
Morning Tweet -

NorwegianboyEE

DkKoba -

NorwegianboyEE

Dwlee99 -

NorwegianboyEE

Toogeloo -

NorwegianboyEE

Team Clown
Firebringer -

Noraa

NorwegianboyEE -

Noraa

RCEnigma -

Noraa

Spamton -

Noraa

WhemeStar -

Noraa

Team Avengers
Loki Dokie -

NorwegianboyEE

Save The Dragons -

Noraa

tictac -

Noraa

Something_Smart -

Noraa

Team Queen
Mama Ru -

?

MathBlade -

Spamton

Noraa -

MathBlade

numberQ -

MathBlade

Almost50 -

Noraa

Please fill in the blanks/correct anything that's wrong here.

Filled in myself, I already claimed I voted Math. And Noraa said they voted Math in the PT, plus they were tunneling him incredibly strong so I have no reason to believe that changed. So I got rid of the question mark there. I think Mama voted Spamton but I'll let her confirm one way or the other, it's not super clear from the PT.

The discourse from Koba that Norwee should have been the only choice is yet another instance of them browbeating everyone into agreeing with THEIR opinion, because of course only THEIR opinion is valid or smart. It's really aggravating, regardless of alignment.

Imo our goal is roughly the same as it was in the first team building exercise. We want to separate town and scum as much as possible. We probably failed at that the first time around, and I think it's hurting us - especially in that last Lights Out game. So I agree with Almost50's sentiment, though I'm not sure I agree with the team comp he suggested.

And this is the end of how much time I can spend on Mafia today until much later, so I'll see you in a few hours when there's another 10 pages to sift through.

You have STD as voting Noraa. Did he post this somewhere because I’m not sure if he even voted?

Math claimed to vote Spam?

I’m calling probable bs on that because wtf was the point of that even if true? No one seriously thought Spam would be attacked.

That’s the most suspicious vote, true or not imo.

I did vote spam. Noraa posted a billion posts. Someone said the hood consensus was on Spam.
Sent my attack then did work all Saturday.

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So we find other team, merge with them, become on and then beating crap out from other, right?

Kinda ok, how to kill mafia then?

I’ve been asking this all game and apparently no one else knows either (joking tone)

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Well i think we shall put scummy players equally if possible.

If there will be almost full mafia team, they basically will start ruling by team, yeh?

We know there is 6 scum.
There are four teams.

Pigeonhole principle one hood must have two scum.

Odds are even less a hood is pure now.

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I think we should leave this to the captains. Also i'm sick of this game because of certain people.

I really hope I’m not one?

Team "Avengers"

Loki Dokie (Captain)
Save The Dragons
tictac
Something_Smart
Gamma Emerald

Oh captain….not my captain

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Scum's goal is not to not die, it's to kill townies. Noraa was a townie who likely would have died later. That would just be a missed opportunity to take out someone like Loki who is never getting executed.

We don't know for sure this is what happened, but I've known "defending the scum's actions" to be a pretty decent scumtell, for what it's worth.

Scum’s goal is to get parity.
Two townies > One Townie
Especially when everyone is talking at each other rather than talking to each other.

Noraa is a brilliant null kill because they didn’t go for a Townie who had mile high reads and could be scrutinized they went for Noraa instead.

None of this is really helping to get the captains to figure out who they can trust. We need to do that so we can move forward and eliminate scum.

And “defending scum actions” isn’t a scumtell. A) because you’re arguing that’s not what they did making the majority of Noraa voters town or B) I am telling the truth against a wave of BS and I do that as scum because?

Say what?

What has you confused?

If scum tried to strongman kill someone besides Noraa then the people voting Noraa are more likely town
If scum tried to strongman kill Noraa it proves my point that people are arguing that scum would go for someone “towny”.

First you say scum killed her, now you say they strongman killed her?

Wut

Same difference.

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ur distracting urself thinking I'm suspicious for liking that kill. Left to my own devices I'd have probably voted Noraa. See I just don't really know what is happening at this point cause Noraa was a fantastic kill half the game ago

Toog is correct this game is like a 145 page RVS nightmare and i HATE RVSSSSS

Also, I watched Squid Game and we're all so dead

like if the amount of agency we have continues, I could solve the whole game but get killed and have it not even matter anyway. That's why im not going to expend all my energy like DK and Norwe were doing earlier

Ditto

I think until we have an elim this is more survivor or a popularity contest. I am completely lost.

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Also mathblade keeps making excuses to not solve imo

That’s how you know I am town.

The hard part of me scum is getting me to shut up.

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I've seen you solve as town

But there’s stuff to work with.

Here there just isn’t.

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Actually, my experience with Mathscum is that they to use math and setup spec as a veil for scum hunting.

But I give reads based on that.

Here I just have no clue

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Considering dwlee caught all of our chutes, I can't see them as scum with koba asking NOT to be saved and me accepting that I would be the past person to get a chute on the team.

Koba asking not to get a chute could maybe have been a gamble knowing dwlee would have gotten a chute for them regardless, but it doesn't make much sense.

The people you want to be looking for as scum are those who abide to the status quo, maybe making a few pushes that aren't likely to get traction, but ultimately move with the tide, and occasionally influencing the tide if the town leaders trust them enough for their opinions.

And where is the tide Toog?

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And where is the tide Toog?

Scum probably didn't need to worry about where the attacks were going last night.

Not an answer to my question but looking forward to why you think it is.

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I've seen you solve as town

But there’s stuff to work with.

Here there just isn’t.

There is, we had an elimination day one, a whole team forming event, a kill overnight, a whole parachute grabbing event, etc.

Day one we had who didn’t make it on to a team (not huntsble as popularity)
A whole team forming event (who likes who more)
A kill overnight (which we can’t get much from other than scum wanted Noraa dead)
A whole parachute grabbing event (refresh for self survival)

None of this is huntable.

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Survivor and mafia are completely different games.

For something like this to work we need elims intermixed or eliminate large swaths of people.

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I've seen you solve as town

But there’s stuff to work with.

Here there just isn’t.

There is, we had an elimination day one, a whole team forming event, a kill overnight, a whole parachute grabbing event, etc.

Day one we had who didn’t make it on to a team (not huntsble as popularity)
A whole team forming event (who likes who more)
A kill overnight (which we can’t get much from other than scum wanted Noraa dead)
A whole parachute grabbing event (refresh for self survival)

None of this is huntable.

you're full of it here.
1.)who does the majority of town think is scum/anti-town? sortable
2.)who thinks who is town? is a large readslist, also sortable
3.) this is kind of sortable but only really pertains to the team you are in and how conversation went surrounding the kill.

the parachute thing was meh ill give you that. the rest is bs though.

1) I know the majority is wrong because the majority scumreads me. Being wrong or right isnt what’s sortable it’s the motivation and since we can’t do anything about scumreads people just post words and it’s all meaningless.

2) It’s a read list yes. But it’s inherently based on who you like vs who you think is scum even if you say and believe it’s not. Everyone wanted a parachute so no one is scummy for grabbing one. Everyone wants parachutes for who they want to play with so one is scummy for grabbing one for those that don’t refresh. Absence isn’t scummy because can’t refresh all day.

3) The only thing extractable about scum motivation is they want Noraa dead.

Without scum motivation nothing is scummy and nothing is Townie.

It’s all just a big song and dance.

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This isnt survivor either tbf

It really is.

You have teams divided up onto islands.
Each island has challenges.
We come together and do them.
Eventually someone leaves the island.
Then tribes join and become smaller tribes.

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This isnt survivor either tbf

It really is.

You have teams divided up onto islands.
Each island has challenges.
We come together and do them.
Eventually someone leaves the island.
Then tribes join and become smaller tribes.

No it is not. It has similarities but it is not survivor. Using my credentials as a more than 10 time player and 2 time mod here. It is not survivor.

What are the differences besides 6 of us are mafia? If you can’t find any this is survivor.
This is not mafia

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The first 2 phases were def survivor lmao stop

How do you suggest I get reads when it’s not mafia?

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It's like faux survivor

This.

And the one time I played survivor I pretty much failed here so not surprising I am failing here too.

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The first 2 phases were def survivor lmao stop

How do you suggest I get reads when it’s not mafia?

I mean i look for informness, towniness in thought processes, etc.
People who are scum are pretending to deliberate things.

What are scum informed of? Pooky in the OP says they aren’t informed of anything.
What is Townie thought process? We can’t do anything?
Like this is where I struggle as the entire game is just waiting on captains.
I can’t vote I can randomly pick a name from a hat but without a vote it means nothing.

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scum are informed of eachother and want to keep eachother alive.

What’s the difference between this and friends?

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I've seen you solve as town

But there’s stuff to work with.

Here there just isn’t.

There is, we had an elimination day one, a whole team forming event, a kill overnight, a whole parachute grabbing event, etc.

Day one we had who didn’t make it on to a team (not huntsble as popularity)
A whole team forming event (who likes who more)
A kill overnight (which we can’t get much from other than scum wanted Noraa dead)
A whole parachute grabbing event (refresh for self survival)

None of this is huntable.

you're full of it here.
1.)who does the majority of town think is scum/anti-town? sortable
2.)who thinks who is town? is a large readslist, also sortable
3.) this is kind of sortable but only really pertains to the team you are in and how conversation went surrounding the kill.

the parachute thing was meh ill give you that. the rest is bs though.

1) I know the majority is wrong because the majority scumreads me. Being wrong or right isnt what’s sortable it’s the motivation and since we can’t do anything about scumreads people just post words and it’s all meaningless.

2) It’s a read list yes. But it’s inherently based on who you like vs who you think is scum even if you say and believe it’s not. Everyone wanted a parachute so no one is scummy for grabbing one. Everyone wants parachutes for who they want to play with so one is scummy for grabbing one for those that don’t refresh. Absence isn’t scummy because can’t refresh all day.

3) The only thing extractable about scum motivation is they want Noraa dead.

Without scum motivation nothing is scummy and nothing is Townie.

It’s all just a big song and dance.

Tell me who is scum.

I don’t know. If I had any idea I would say so.

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What exactly are we waiting for here anyway? I don't feel as if this event should take all that long.

Each Captain just list their priority, and if two teams feel like a match, then the other two teams just default go together.

This. 100%

None of this needs us.

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Yay! Mafia! Woo hoo!

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i bless that pairing, toog/a50 sounds like a nice boomer team

remember everyone at home:
koba just a few days ago was willing to not get a parachute to validate their reads for us all to 'sheep them'
now when provided opportunity to have one of their 'reads' give them the button to kill them. they play sheepishly of 'no i don't want to actually kill myself to prove im right'

lololol

I am okay with being pocketed by Koba tbh.

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Like if they’re scum their pocket is so comfy it would be hard for me to leave

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I think Koba and Fire is ego driven TvT.

They both like controlling things.

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I think Koba and Fire is ego driven TvT.

They both like controlling things.

umm no i don't like controlling anything except myself.
No one controls me.

Koba is one playing puppetter if u haven't been paying attention.

*looks up and sees random strings on my arms and bits of code flowing into my body*

Apparently I am receiving listen to Koba commands

I am also feeling happy endorphins off this.

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Meh I wanna chillax Laters.

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I would like to propose to Morning Tweet if that’s okay. I think MT and I were on a similar wavelength and could work well together.

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ah we are in fact not doing that

Uhhhh i mean im down to dance but not a lot of hope for me being able to be useful to you i think

Oh okay then. I was thinking since we are starting from a common base of frustration we’d be able to hunt in the same way.

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Loki, will u have cofident read on enchant before end of this?

I hope so. Rn, if PoE wasn’t a factor, slight town.

I still think toog is scum because I didn’t tr Ydrasse and toog has a distinctive playstyle in every single game I’ve seen him be town in and he sounds very different here.

Gun to head, scum in Queen are probably Math/Q who are weirdly distancing. I think Mama and A50 are probably town.

As for the other three, don’t know. Maybe Spam?

Based on PoE, Wheme, Fire, RCE look the towniest - in that order, so that would probably mean I’m wrong on Enchant.

However, that’s only five, so even if I’m totally right, there’s one player I’m wrongly tr.

Gun to your head your reads suck. You really should reevaluate everything. A majority of the “towniest” hyper posters disappeared as soon as this became actual mafia. That’s where the scum likely are.

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T

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F

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I am a shameless whore, how can I limit myself to one proposal?

໒( ᓀ ‸ ᓂ )७

Jokes on you.

I PROPOSE DANCE TO Morning Tweet

I PROPOSE DANCE TO DkKoba

I PROPOSE DANCE TO Dwlee99

I PROPOSE DANCE TO Save The Dragons

I PROPOSE DANCE TO tictac

I PROPOSE DANCE TO Something_Smart

I accept

i leave the dance

good luck yall
leave number as the final slot, vote anyone who pairs them.

Any advice for me Koba? Not sure which are bad town pushing me and which are scum?

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math/mt need to step up later or join that list if the list starts flipping town

Just woke up here lol.

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I’m thinking RCE or Tictac scum based on the activity overview.

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I'm thinking let's not sort based on the activity overview. Tictac has been pretty town in the PT.

So it’s performative then?

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So it’s performative then?

What are you asking is performative? Their low activity?

I didn't say they were being performative in the PT, I said they were being towny.

I am suggesting they are putting on a show in the PT.

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How can you say whether that's likely at all without reading what they said?

It sounds like pure confbias.

It’s an actual strategy. If you’re Townie enough in a PT no one wants to elim you in the main thread which buys you time to be Townie.

JaeReed was right on me being scum on D1, buddied the shit out of them then they townread me and never looked back and JaeReed propped me up D2. Became obvTown then used a PT with Frozen Angel to do the same.

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How can anyone not want Math "actively refusing to scumhunt" Blade to be left out

Morning Tweet, may I have this dance?

What do you think about him not proposing to anyone?

It's how he's been behaving all game. Coasting and fluffing but never actually

doing

anything.

Checking in during lunch break. I was trying to do things when it wasn’t mafia but that’s not my strong suit. I didn’t have capability to do as I was being asked. Soon as we had a mafia game I was able to start reads. I will catch up after work and see how things are going but this post is slimy.

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Furthermore, give me time and I am a proven force who can deliver in dance games. It’s a freakin proven fact.

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Furthermore, give me time and I am a proven force who can deliver in dance games. It’s a freakin proven fact.

[[WHEN SPAMTON IS HUSTLING HARDER FOR A PARTNER]]

What does this mean? Because I won’t sacrifice my job when my last day off was before I repped into this game? I hustle when I can and how I can and make no apologies for it.

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@Math: can you at least offer to dance with Dwlee and MT (each separately on its own line.. and bolded)? Then THEY decide

Offer to dance with Dwlee

Offer to dance with Morning Tweet

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Hey. Just got off work. A lot to catch up on. Any suggestions on where I should read? Going to try to teach Dwlee my heatmapping from the recent dance game if a majority of people townread Dwlee. If y’all can please order people in a “who you’d elim list” without reason/nuance that would be awesome.

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i'd like to suggest we go FB+SS and if FB flips scum we flip Spamton btw

Voting that slot is a waste since Fire will leave anyway. Only game he didn’t do that was Dark Waltz III because he literally didn’t have a choice in that.

Doesn't matter, does it? We get to flip two pairs regardless. Whether it be by them splitting or our votes .. we don't need to wait for FB to do it.

The main thing with dances is that no one wants to leave. They always want their buddy to be the towniest town to ever town. Scum have absolutely no incentive to ever blow themselves up because they just wait for deadline.

So I suggest we put in faux deadlines at half of the deadline, one pair should be blown up already. (But please wait like 24 hoursish for content). If not then we need to figure out a way to consolidate and fast so we can then use that pairing to fill the next grouping. We have to keep a tight schedule.

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VOTE: FB + S_S

I'm here to chew bubble gum and sheep town reads, and I'm all outta bubblegum.

Might want to make this for one player in the pair since we have one vote to make VCs easier. Plus it also forces you to pick who is scummier of the two which is golden for reads.

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NumberQ died during Event Four! He was aligned with the

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Shocker, eh?

I would like to take the chance to remind everybody of my case on FB. Him grabbing a parachute for Spamton was him denying a stronger Town player from getting one, and his double failed attempts to grab it was him giving NumberQ the chance to get his.

Also, as I theorized before, FB waiting for Wheme to get him THEN going for none for Spamton was done to make them both look bad when/if he flipped. Same plan Mama Ru tried to trick me into, except I didn't fall for it and eventually the "Mama's not getting a parachute because she doesn't have the time for this" had to find the time and get herself one.

I will review this section. Same thing for you for your vote.

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he didnt just push me he tried to discredit me at every turn

I so feel this. Like I feel pretty vindicated my theory scum pushing me was spot on.

Oh rip. Guess Pooky does the voting in an awesome way ignore the split vote thing.

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I forget how to do 3.5 days on my phone but this is the unofficial oh shit worry countdown if no one is blown up by then.

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I think all of Koba/MT/Wheme/Loki are spewed town from the number flip. Possibly tictac as well. I'll go into it if I have to here but just looking at even the beginning of their iso it kind of jumps out.

I would like you to go into this please. Koba/MT/Wheme/Loki/A50/Me/you is 7 people and 16 alive that means 9 people 5 scum so like that’s most of the game if true.

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It'll have to be after my shift and I'll probably get tic-tacs take on it first.

That said what do you think Scum!Numbers reaction would be to an all town team forming out of the gate?

Just as food for thought.

Not sure. I don’t know Numbers all that well. Adding that to the read list.

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i thought we were agreeing on killing number so when Dwlee said rip number i thought "oh shit was i not supposed to do that" lmao

What’s your read on Dwlee?

I also hate how everyone buried my heatmap ask and didn’t do it.

Ordered list of who you’d elim single file would be great.

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I think all of Koba/MT/Wheme/Loki are spewed town from the number flip. Possibly tictac as well. I'll go into it if I have to here but just looking at even the beginning of their iso it kind of jumps out.

If this is true, then all of "We're Trying" is definitely town.

there is an argument to be made for this. MT townread softened a lot over time though as they dont really have any fire in their posts at all especially in the PT.

dwlee had a lot of flame and passion and i had a dumbass tinfoil moment EoD but luckily math picked them up

(but also thats karma dwlee for all ur tinfoil moments >:( )

There is an argument for it, but more than likely usually not. I’d be willing to entertain a narrower focus and not hunt there as I doubt a majority of scum would be in that hood.

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i thought we were agreeing on killing number so when Dwlee said rip number i thought "oh shit was i not supposed to do that" lmao

What’s your read on Dwlee?

I also hate how everyone buried my heatmap ask and didn’t do it.

Ordered list of who you’d elim single file would be great.

dwlee's fire in the PT shouldn't be ignored - there's bigger fish to fry in people like FB that we should be focusing on.

I can’t see it and Dwlee has done fire as scum before. I am trying to see if Dwlee is town so I can teach him my heat map strategy. It also requires people to ya know cooperate and actually do the list.

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ill complete the list to the best of my ability whatcha want me to do

Take player list. Order it T——>S or S——-> T ignore pairings.

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i'd like to suggest we go FB+SS and if FB flips scum we flip Spamton btw

Fire wasn’t trying very hard to catch the chute for him, so Idk if it’s AI. If he’s useless in their PT, then Tweetie should just leave.

the point was that he was not trying in order to secure one for number first - note who was around everytime FB fake caught a chute

Oh right but then I don’t understand the connection with Spamton then. Wouldn’t that mean they were unaligned?

AND LITERALLY WHAT KIND OF LOGIC IS ME BEING AROUND AS SOMEONE ELSE WHEN I WAS GOING FOR CHUTES MEAN A GOD DAMN THING.

WHY WOULD I "FAKE" GOING FOR CHUTES. I LITERALLY GOT ONE AT END

What’s your Something Smart read?

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Even if i were scum id have no idea who needs to be "painted" red blue or green, whatever colour. like no i'd be guessing as scum just as i am as town

We’re now in mafia. This is an actual mafia game now. What are you doing to figure out/break the apathy? When I didn’t know what to do I asked questions.

What questions help you break your apathy?

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VOTE: FB + SS

I still think my hood was pure and SS flips town but we’ll see.

Then I am guessing you think FB is scum.

Assume SS is town. Then who is scum to you?
Assume SS is scum. Then who is scum to you?

For both questions you’re free to assume FB scum so that way it doesn’t become ridiculous.

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dwlee99
Loki Dokie
Dkkoba
Morning Tweet

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Ydrasse/Toogeloo
Save the Dragons
Firebringer
SirCakez/Mathblade
tictac

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Whemestar
Mama Ru
NorwegianboyEE/Enchant

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RCEnigma
Almost50

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Spamton
DaTacoX/Something_Smart

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dwlee is towny
koba is efforting and frustrated and volunteering to die and etc in way that seems towny or unecessary for scum
loki is transparent town

ydrasse sort of seemed like town and im trusting dwlee on toog
STD/tictac/fire/math gave me random town vibes at various points i think

literally no opinion on wheme and mama and norwe slot

i just randomly got the impression a50 and rce might be scum

spam and SS/DTX seem sort of scum maybe

Thank you. One down a billion more to go. Then can calculate with Dwlee.

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Why is fire so high on your list MT with all your friends voting them?

With Koba they actively defended me when I was being pushed? Why are you not defending Fire?

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Even if i were scum id have no idea who needs to be "painted" red blue or green, whatever colour. like no i'd be guessing as scum just as i am as town

We’re now in mafia. This is an actual mafia game now. What are you doing to figure out/break the apathy? When I didn’t know what to do I asked questions.

What questions help you break your apathy?

Hmmm okay

I don't really know what gives me motivation, lot harder to get it when it's been lost for so long. Opening the thread I never know what im going to get, where my place will be, what's even going on. I've been assuming im just going to jump out of the game from some random bs like the chute game so it's been kinda weird to pay attention for no gain

Even right now, I'm dancing with something i think is more likely scum than not and even if they arent i would like to kill them

I suppose it would be fun to get a handle on the interesting slots this game, namely Norwe/FB/Koba/yourself. Every time I say anything or see anyone say anything about them there's an argument.

If anyone feels like answering, why is Koba so obviously scum? Why is Norwe so obviously scum? What is it about Noraa and MathBlade that seems like it's spewing MB scum or whatever?

Not sure about Koba as I don’t scumread them. With Noraa it’s probably because of the repetition and sureity people glommed on. Reinforced pressure by scum will do that and it’s very difficult to shake that impression.

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Be back in a bit I hope. I would like that answer please Loki.

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For the record while I am afk please note I am spiritually on the FB wagon. I don’t want it quickhammered before people all get online and there were a lot of votes and I want to see people’s reactions.

Pedit: thanks Dwlee.

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SS / Mama / Wheme / FB / MT

is my remaining scumteam guess based on how numbers treated people and team building.


if im wrong on any of those it is probably just norwee slot.

My heatmap works really with the whole list. But this is a start.

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we're at a stage in the game where we can solidly townread at least half the PL cmon all

Yes but that order matters.
Because that matter helps to identify any potential deep wolves.

In the dance I had Lavender and Rainbow were both pretty townread.

Using that order you can see discrepancies and the minor things.
It also forces relationships for if things get hairy down at end game you’ve given thought to it.

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Slightly stream of conscious as I read...

I think Gamma vs Nora is SvT, idk which is which though. That means they should probably be on a team together imo.

The Nora townslip thing. I dunno, it feels genuine. Some of the pressure on them about it feels less genuine, particularly Koba + Gamma. I don't know if scum would back each other up that hard though. I also don't like Gamma's 321. Gonna say Gamma is a scumread.

Loki's early interactions with Nora were okay but later posts ping me a little. Couldn't tell you why without going back through.

Still not sure I get the logic behind everyone voting MT and letting her pick the first group. Makes more sense to me for us to decide as a group what each captain should do. Then if someone deviates, idk if that'd be confscum per se, but it would certainly be highly suspicious. I guess that's not mutually exclusive with everyone voting MT, to be fair.

But after a few more pages, seems like any and all voting strategy has been thrown out the window anyway.

I think MT's team should include Nora, Gamma, Loki, and Koba. In other words the main actors in the townslip interaction. There's at least 1 scum in there, maybe 2.

More is unlikely I think.

This post doesn’t look great for Tweetie. Why? Because scum obviously wants a member on every team.

Seconded. Will be afk eating dinner but please I want to see other people post some.

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Yeah uh this is an incredible red flag

I do not have a lot of time tonight so give at least till tomorrow please

Red flag for what?

Alright I probably should have picked Math instead of SS. I liked the least how he handled the whole Noraa thing. The best was STD followed by tictac.

Kinda glad I got Dwlee tbh. I don’t know you so I don’t know how well we’d gel.

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I am kinda sad at the participation rate on the reads list bit. I wonder if scum are that scared of my heat mapping.

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ill complete the list to the best of my ability whatcha want me to do

Take player list. Order it T——>S or S——-> T ignore pairings.

This is not too beneficial at this stage IMHO. I mean, sure.. whoever wants to fill in the ballot is very much welcome. I just think that putting a Scum mate at the bottom with their Town dance partner at the top is the same as putting them vise versa. We are eliminating PAIRS either way.

This is beneficial to me and how I hunt. In dance and flipless games I find scum have a tell that they do when sorting lists.

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So my reads look something like:

Town: Loki Dokie, Firebringer, Mama Ru, DkKoba
Townlean: tictac, RCEnigma, Dwlee99, WhemeStar
Null: Mathblade, Save The Dragons, Morning Tweet
Scumlean: Enchant, Spamton, Almost50
Scum: Toogeloo

I feel like most of these are... pretty self-explanatory. But I can try my best to explain anything people want.

I would want to address the case on me but there basically isn't one. As far as I can tell there's no case against me at all and an incredibly shallow case against FB.

Why me = Fry me as my sister says.

Any chance you’ll order these as I asked?

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Why me = Fry me as my sister says.

Your sister and I do not see eye-to-eye on a number of things... and she also has a terrible track record of reading me.

Asking for reasons for a wagon is just mafia 101, regardless of whether that wagon is on you. It's not scummy.

It is when instead of pushing the players you scumread on your wagon you’re all like “Why me?” (Over dramatic sigh)

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@Math: Just for you.. I still think it's not the right time to do this

A50/DkK/Math/Toog
Loki/Spamton
Dwlee/STD/tictac/Whemestar
Enchant/MT/RCE
FB/Mama Ru/S_S

Thank you. I swear this is like pulling teeth.

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What do you mean?

Leave dance. If you are town, i leave as well.

A terrible idea..

Agreed. I think Koba is hella town.

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It is when instead of pushing the players you scumread on your wagon you’re all like “Why me?” (Over dramatic sigh)

I... don't really feel like I was being dramatic. I think it's quite a reasonable request.

And given the votes, even if I wanted to push someone, I would have to do something about my own wagon first. Another wagon isn't just going to spring up out of nowhere.

It’s not about wagon success/failure. If you and FB are both town it gives a direction to go. Like the only reason I don’t vote you now is to try to get more read lists to see if I can catch some scum using the dance way. If people decide they won’t I can just vote you now and use what I got to piece together some things.

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Dwlee99 - NorwegianboyEE
Loki Dokie - NorwegianboyEE
DkKoba - NorwegianboyEE
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Mama Ru - ?
Morning Tweet - NorwegianboyEE
Toogeloo - NorwegianboyEE
MathBlade - Spamton

max 2 scum in noraa voters so has to be min 3 in this set.

Where did you get Max 2 scum in Noraa voters while simultaneously saying scum wanted Noraa?

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9 claimed noraa votes 7 is needed to overvote scum, so max 2 false claims.

this thought was originally ss. i think it's a good one.

How about

the fact

that a

flipped Scum

didn't vote Noraa? Did you factor that into this statement?

Also: Assuming scum had infiltrated ALL groups, they knew who was voting whom already. Assuming they hadn't managed to infiltrate "Trying" they still knew where the majority of votes where heading, and had NO IDEA Norwee was even on the table. Did you also factor that in?

These are both bad.

1) this assumes scum were overridden. If town was already doing scum’s bidding (my theory) then scum don’t have to do anything.
2) Scum flipping not Noraa doesn’t mean jack unless you believe that scum told the truth which is iffy at best.
3) Scum have a pretty good chance of being in every hood. If any hoods are pure I am thinking 1 at most. This means that for the hoods scum know which way hoods are going.
I think they actually did know Norwee was on the table but didn’t take it because that would expose a scum in the hood and make me look really Townie. But by taking the easy null kill Noraa they keep control of the gamestate.

I think 3 town in that 9 is factual and start there.

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1) this assumes scum were overridden. If town was already doing scum’s bidding (my theory) then scum don’t have to do anything.
2) Scum flipping not Noraa doesn’t mean jack unless you believe that scum told the truth which is iffy at best.

these points contradict each other

No they don’t?

Oh typo scum flipping that didn’t vote Noraa doesn’t mean Jack.
We don’t know if scum voted Noraa or not. We know numbers claimed to vote me.

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that's a point in favor of the theory, no?

No. Your theory says "7 to overvote scum". One Scum appears to have voted elsewhere, so "6 to overvote scum" is more to the point, which brings me to the next point (the one Math failed to grasp): Noraa was indeed Scum's choice. They knew enough votes were cast there so they started to "distribute" their votes elsewhere (or at least claim to have done so).

Scum could have all voted -say- DkK and then claimed to have voted elsewhere and we wouldn't have been able to tell, because the votes weren't actually shown to us.. only the word of the voter.

It thus follows that assuming the claimed vote targets to be accurate is a bad start, and building on it with "max/min fake" is also bad.

Also, the relevance of my second point is to reassert SCUM DID WANT NORAA DEAD. There's a slight chance they didn't even know Norwee was on the table, but if they did they still wanted Noraa dead.

It’s not that I failed to grasp it. I did. I said Noraa was a null kill to avoid rocking a boat. I agree with everything else here. I may not have articulated clearly but yeah scum either let Noraa just happen and then voted Noraa in secret (my theory) or intentionally pushed Noraa or both.

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At this point in the game scum had no deaths, so no reason to rock what’s working so I think a null kill and let town sabotage itself is much more likely than a directed attack on Noraa.

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Scum tend not to change their MO or pattern unless there is a catalyst that forces them to.

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Does anyone here firmly believe they are partnered with scum?

I do not. I get minor weird pings but that may just be a sometimes thing with Dwlee. He’s a mid tier town for me.

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They’re fuck sorry

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The issue I see there is that my PT piled on Norwee because we figured Loki's PT would as well. Loki in fact did vote Norwee, so scum knew Norwee's name was being tossed around. I wasn't really present for whatever mind meld koba and Loki had, but it should be inferred that if Loki was willing to vote Norwee, he assumed others would and therefore his PT might assume that us over in Trying we're possibly on board as well.

Why did you think Loki’s PT would?

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I am good with a Fire/SS flip now. I have some thoughts regarding who to wagon next as I think Dwlee and I disagree on that.

I don’t think enough people are participating in the ordered lists so I can’t do my catch scum trick.

I can’t respond to all I want to at work but I think we’re all migrating towards next flips and there’s no defenders so this reeks of one or both being scum and scum not burning cred.

VOTE: Fire/SS

All that matters now I think is which.

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It’s my hope for dance games in the future this sort of ordered list becomes standard so scum have to be better about connection management rather than this and then can policy those that don’t do it.

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I am good with a Fire/SS flip now. I have some thoughts regarding who to wagon next as I think Dwlee and I disagree on that.

I don’t think enough people are participating in the ordered lists so I can’t do my catch scum trick.

I can’t respond to all I want to at work but I think we’re all migrating towards next flips and there’s no defenders so this reeks of one or both being scum and scum not burning cred.

VOTE: Fire/SS

All that matters now I think is which.

I think both. SS is uberscummy and Fire is going against his history of leaving every dance partner in every dance game he’s been able to do so.

Both is also a possibility. I was using mathematical which. My bad.

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Loki I'm honestly still a little worried about enchant but I dont want to flip koba

I definitely don’t want to flip Koba. Enchants a hard read for me and would rather wait and see what next game.

I would prefer a MT elim I think assuming FB/SS isn’t double town

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How? He posts a readslist that makes no sense then calls that “self-explanatory?”

Are you Nancy?

Now I really wanna policy elim you too.
Never out alts ever

And prob not Nancy I don’t think she goes cross gender

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I think we can avoid flopping mt on the basis of no scum tmi norwee votes.

I disagree here. Scum null killed Noraa imho. The lack of tmi votes is precisely why I want to flip MT. It’s too neat.

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Never out alts ever

Loki is literally going "I have evidence you're scum but I won't share it to keep my alt intact."

That's an outside influence. It's doing something within the game for an out-of-game reason.

I'm speaking as a player here, not as a mod, but it's shady at best and against the spirit of the site rules at worst.

I don’t think that’s outside influence. I keep information hidden on reads all the time.

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S_s I feel like mathblade has been very polarizing why do you have him as null?

Why is A50 a scumread i feel his efforting is plus town

Mostly just push and pull. I am finally starting to vibe. People who seem against the “vibe” are my scumreads atm. Since I tend to play better as scum I am leaning into listening to vibes more than polarizing or popular opinion. Trying to find the undercurrent/narrative. More about the why than The Who then find The Who that matches the why.

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S_s I feel like mathblade has been very polarizing why do you have him as null?

Why is A50 a scumread i feel his efforting is plus town

Mostly just push and pull. I am finally starting to vibe. People who seem against the “vibe” are my scumreads atm. Since I tend to play better as scum I am leaning into listening to vibes more than polarizing or popular opinion. Trying to find the undercurrent/narrative. More about the why than The Who then find The Who that matches the why.

I can’t read lmao

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Fair if we both think the team of Koba/mama/you/wheme can still endgame.

That's another scum claim. ANOTHER one.

Noted you scumread RCE. I think he’s either scum or this game’s me.

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The objection is that if sharing your meta would improve town's odds of winning, then you are not playing to win by keeping it secret.

But whatever, I'm not going to belabor it. Just voicing my disapproval.

No offence but that’s total bs.

Agreed. Consider SS like pretty much flipped scum now. The fact he’s trying to use his mod status as some kind of leverage sickens me.

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Consider SS like pretty much flipped scum now.

Also like

Would providing ironclad evidence that I genuinely believe this change your mind at all?

I'm guessing no, but it's worth a shot at least.

Lol that’s not how belief works at all.

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The objection is that if sharing your meta would improve town's odds of winning, then you are not playing to win by keeping it secret.

But whatever, I'm not going to belabor it. Just voicing my disapproval.

No offence but that’s total bs.

Agreed. Consider SS like pretty much flipped scum now. The fact he’s trying to use his mod status as some kind of leverage sickens me.

I regret not picking you now.:/.

Again I think what happened is protown. I survived. Now hopefully I can thrive and not self implode.

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Lol that’s not how belief works at all.

What?

I believe you’re scum. Asking me what it takes to change a belief isn’t a concrete thing.
Hard evidence always works but short of that it’s a subjective thing.

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Oh god Mama I get you’re radiant but please like omg the color is hard to read

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Well I meant like, I assume you think that me expressing my thoughts on alts is scummy for some reason.

Would it help to prove that those are my real thoughts and not a scum angle?

No. I think you’re being honest on your thoughts but it’s a scum angle. Scum don’t always lie. That’s why I think Noraa was a null kill. No reason to lie when you don’t have to

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I think you’re being honest on your thoughts but it’s a scum angle. Scum don’t always lie. That’s why I think Noraa was a null kill. No reason to lie when you don’t have to

Yes of course, but I obviously wouldn't be lying as town either, so it shouldn't factor into your read on me, right?

It isn’t about the binary truth or lie. It’s about why you’re saying what you’re saying.

You also reek of desperation. Why are you trying to convince me of all people? Because you can’t convince the people pushing hard and hope I fall on my face again. That’s all this game has been. Scum think I am an easy victim and it sucks.

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I think people push me to try to get a rise out of me.

This is obvious scum, come on people

I mean pretty much since go you’ve been at me.

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I mean, that's been evident for a while.

When was it evident to you?

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I think we can avoid flopping mt on the basis of no scum tmi norwee votes.

I disagree here. Scum null killed Noraa imho. The lack of tmi votes is precisely why I want to flip MT. It’s too neat.

Wot

Correct. You’re telling me not another player at all sheeped the top townread players of the game? I don’t find that credible. It smells.

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I don't rlly know what ur talking about or why it points to me

It's especially confusing because Dk is using it as a defense and you're using it as a suspicion

As I recall, Norwee didn't receive too many votes and instead Noraa got killed. My squad + Loki voted Norwee, and like everybody voted Noraa. I'm judging from context that my squad was advocating pretty hard for Norwe. And yet, no scum claimed to vote Norwe seemingly.

Now how this ties into me i dont know

Either way im very close to yoloing after one of those two flip red

It points to you as you’re the most probably scum. Iirc numbers was okay with the first hood so I doubt it’s all town. Combined with no hood sheeping or wanting a Norway read it just doesn’t feel right.

It’s like when that detective on your fave TV show gets “vibes” something is off and all the others are going “WTH? This is fine”. I think there’s a scum in that hood. Odds point to it and numbers posting makes me think so. Of those you’re the most probable.

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Slightly stream of conscious as I read...

I think Gamma vs Nora is SvT, idk which is which though. That means they should probably be on a team together imo.

The Nora townslip thing. I dunno, it feels genuine. Some of the pressure on them about it feels less genuine, particularly Koba + Gamma. I don't know if scum would back each other up that hard though. I also don't like Gamma's 321. Gonna say Gamma is a scumread.

Loki's early interactions with Nora were okay but later posts ping me a little. Couldn't tell you why without going back through.

Still not sure I get the logic behind everyone voting MT and letting her pick the first group. Makes more sense to me for us to decide as a group what each captain should do. Then if someone deviates, idk if that'd be confscum per se, but it would certainly be highly suspicious. I guess that's not mutually exclusive with everyone voting MT, to be fair.

But after a few more pages, seems like any and all voting strategy has been thrown out the window anyway.

I think MT's team should include Nora, Gamma, Loki, and Koba. In other words the main actors in the townslip interaction. There's at least 1 scum in there, maybe 2. More is unlikely I think.

I think there’s got to be a scum here. I don’t see a world where scum are okay losing thread control. I don’t think it’s Loki and I really don’t think it’s Koba. Like if Koba is scum give them a fucking scummy. Gamma and Noraa are both dead so like? Is it possible that numbers was only with an all town hood, yeah I just find it way more probable you’re scum. If you’re town then that brings up some difficult questions, like deep wolf or scum being bad.

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number is just one scum though

True I just err on the side of the probable. Then if the improbable happens then it’s a matter of which improbable.

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wait i shouldnt joke like that enchant doesnt actually understand thats something i like to say as a shitpost

Neither do I sometimes.

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A pure random team has 15% chance of being all town. Add in reading people and the chance should hopefully get more likely. That's not super improbable, and you're essentially doing shitty vote count analysis when you're just grouping teams and going "# of scum in here = k"

One enby’s shit is another man’s treasure.

I don’t feel it’s shitty it’s more a scum motivation thing.

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I also find that most scum no matter how creative tend to follow certain rules. It’s more just a pattern thing.

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Why do you think wheme is scum

RCE basically scumclaimed. Wheme might not be scum.

We only need one flip this phase and I feel very strongly STD is town and don’t want to flip him. I also agree with Math that that Q post points to Tweetie as scum. I’ve been getting not so great vibes from her for awhile now but RCE wanting to flip Enchant then A50 and Math looked the worst. Scum has it in for Koba, it’s blatantly obvious.

If consensus wants to flip Wheme separately next I’m not opposed but not with STD. I think if Tweetie is scum, we lose the least if we lose Spam whatever he is, so I probably prefer that but I think she’s got too many of you pocketed, so probably not happening yet. So my next choice is RCE.

maybe trust the person who has pushed 3 flpped scum and spearheaded it on the veto on rce right now ?

leave rce and MT today.

Why? I hard tr STD and am not sold on Wheme!scum.

This is where I am at.

I think MT is more likely scum and MT or RCE is much better imho or Spam because there was like no resistance to a double elim.

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So spam scum because there was no resistance? How does that follow?

Yeah. If I am losing a third of my scum team I am fighting tooth and nail for not that elim. I argue a buddy maybe not that. There was no fighting which is odd

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or

here's a tip:

trust the person who has led town to successfully lim 3 scum in a row off associatives and has read them correctly this game. im on the right track rn and i should be not shut down for 1 or 2 posts

That would mean I trust A50 since they led the FB elim I think? I think you’re town I just don’t think Wheme is the proper elim.

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Okay so I expected that response but

Wheme wasn't around either. MT was and voted the wagon

So why is wheme town and mt and Spamton scum off that info

I think StD is town

MT/Spam and RCE/Tictac are all in my PoE

I would rather go for another possible double elim then one likely town and one maybe scum.

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Noraa im sorry.

shit like this is TMI

I don’t doubt that I just want to go Wheme after the dance when StD isn’t a casualty.

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big

you're not getting a double kill with my PT math

In suprised I'm still at the bott for u

I am surprised more people don’t have you at the bottom.

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If wheme/STD is S/S I think we have to flip mathblade for this

Like if Wheme/StD is SvS sure I deserve it but I am pretty sure both are not scum. Like MT Spam RCE and Tictac are all pretty much required PoE elims.

I don’t want to elim a could be scum and a very likely town over a possible SvS

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like its all projection.

i think its perfectly reasonable that the case is that MT is town from all angles.

your theory requires assumptions of play that arent reasonable to be 100% accurate.

Lmao wtf is this Koba? It’s like almost a foregone conclusion MT scum.

I don’t see how you’re getting that

Numbers doesnt endorse a all town group. That doesn’t happen

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Sorry I'm gonna have to go with Dwlee and Koba on this one I still dont know how you're getting +scum on me

That team isn’t pure.

Simple as that.

Probability says so and scum spewed so.

Feelings are irrelevant.

Logic > Feelings.

Feelings is how you die to scum

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If wheme/STD is S/S I think we have to flip mathblade for this

STD and Math are both bleeding obvtown. That should be beyond obvious after SS flip. *smdh*

This I won’t do StD today. I will do RCE or MT pairing today.

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like its all projection.

i think its perfectly reasonable that the case is that MT is town from all angles.

your theory requires assumptions of play that arent reasonable to be 100% accurate.

Lmao wtf is this Koba? It’s like almost a foregone conclusion MT scum.

I don’t see how you’re getting that

Numbers doesnt endorse a all town group. That doesn’t happen

and maybe he does as wifom?

your logic sucks.

you are still relying on shitty assumptions that are not rooted in actual logic but fallacy.

Agree to disagree.

I think I am logical right now and calling logic a fallacy doesn’t make it true.

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Sorry I'm gonna have to go with Dwlee and Koba on this one I still dont know how you're getting +scum on me

That team isn’t pure.

Simple as that.

Probability says so and scum spewed so.

Feelings are irrelevant.

Logic > Feelings.

Feelings is how you die to scum

Draws five random names out of a hat

Probability says they can't all be town, better get to limming koba, Loki, me, a50, and toog

You’re committing a fallacy in that you know what you know now to make that list.

If you start with a random group at the beginning of the game that almost certainly holds. Enough to where you’d have a pretty good win rate if you bet the game on it.

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VOTE: RCE

I think this is where compromise is.

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how is your logic sound


its like "hahah number said team was good so must have scum"

when scum is literally capable of saying any old fucking shit about a group of people.

Because number wasn’t under pressure it was voluntarily given.

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You’re committing a fallacy in that you know what you know now to make that list.

If you start with a random group at the beginning of the game that almost certainly holds. Enough to where you’d have a pretty good win rate if you bet the game on it.

The chance of drawing all town from five randomly at the start is 15% my guy

So another words 85% chance I am right.

I take those odds.

I do not want Wheme+StD.

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Koba and me are a power duo rn

A50 is power guy and he wanted RCE

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it was a very strong consensus opinion and i was townreading number at the time and number wanted to keep attention off of them

theres so many reason why they would call an all town team there good.



they were trying to stay out of the PoE pool mainly - we were still thinking mostly at the time that 1 team would be deleted.

I disagree.

Let’s compromise.

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I am getting frustrated so I am going to step away.

I prefer MT/spam
You prefer Wheme/StD

Let’s compromise on RCE

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If wheme/STD is S/S I think we have to flip mathblade for this

STD and Math are both bleeding obvtown. That should be beyond obvious after SS flip. *smdh*

This I won’t do StD today. I will do RCE or MT pairing today.

It’s insane to me how if you suddenly decided not to go along witt the program, your alignment gets doubted because apparently having a mind is now apparently scummy.

Used to it Loki.

Apparently you haven’t played with me much or you’re faking it which is nice

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Sorry I'm gonna have to go with Dwlee and Koba on this one I still dont know how you're getting +scum on me

That team isn’t pure.

Simple as that.

Probability says so and scum spewed so.

Feelings are irrelevant.

Logic > Feelings.

Feelings is how you die to scum

Draws five random names out of a hat

Probability says they can't all be town, better get to limming koba, Loki, me, a50, and toog

All town is what I think.

That’s a joke Loki

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Gg glad the game is over

I was legit confused for like the first three days

Didn’t feel like a mafia game at all.

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why did scum even bus there :/

No way to start a counterwagon.

We all thought it was inevitable

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Because of my STD read is absolutely the only thing I can think of. I was sure I was dying and when Mama saved me, I thought she just had to be town, so not quite sure how I feel about that.

I’m still shocked that we actually won this scumsided af game.

And anyone who read Q/SS interactions with me who couldn’t tell I was town, I have no words.

I dunno, I think it was pretty town-sided tbh. The only remotely scum sided game was the first one.

How do you figure that? Game 2 was scumsided af.

Game 2 was townsided af

Town should have said anyone picking up a parachute is a scum claim then just divvied them up.

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I don't feel that my interactions with you were any more clearing than my interactions with Math.

You fucking tried to threaten me with oog bullshit for not outing my main? Like hello, this isn’t exactly fucking rocket science.

*head exploding braincells rapidly dying*.

Yeah I don’t think that was cool.

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Not sure what I want to sign up for next, someone PM me a suggestion.

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Everyone should sign up for that!

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i think that last game was a little town sided but some games were scum sided and some were town sided so i dunno how it all pans out. i think scum did the best job they could.

there wasn't really a counter wagon to firebringer/s_s and deviating would have looked sus as hell so I stand by that decision.

<3 Loki

I understand why scum saved me now and it wasn’t personal but because I was the only player paired with scum but then why couldn’t have Math saved Dwelee? After all RCE townlocked me?

I could have but I was thinking it was too much a risk.