Infernal Affairs - Game Over!

[Nero Cain]

could be that its nearly 1:00 and haven't had any caffeine yet but no one seems particularly scummy to me. Would I pl some players. Yes. I'll reread when I'm more awake and let you know if my feelings change but I'm slightly leaning scum being in the non posters

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Nero Cain]

actually on 2nd thought Fire could totally do what he's doing as scum.

[Nero Cain]

*3rd post

and I don't see why not? Like I'm not saying its a fire-tire panda team or anything just that I don't think Fire "shitposting" and calling for votes on himself is particularly pro-town.

of course, he and others will just wright it off as shitposting and say that scum wouldn't bring that much attention to themselves

but that's how I feel so eh

[Nero Cain]

I didn't take Fire's post as buddying you,

its not really that hard to get that Fire is buddying Toog by "town reading" him when he hadn't posted yet. But deff an odd Q from Toog.

[Nero Cain]

Cain is mostly right no one should have read on me yet I haven’t even started my grand solving try hardness yet

I don't think I really said that maybe in a way I did.

magic is town reading u though.

[Nero Cain]

keeper is basicly saying they'll solve a lil' but its gonna be mostly troll/gimmick posting and a PL

[Nero Cain]

Policy Lim

[Nero Cain]

give out free townreads

how much d u charge?

[Nero Cain]

i'll protect u BB

[Nero Cain]

Are you normally this funny, toog?

[Nero Cain]

it's a hard habit to break. I had some trouble at first.

[Nero Cain]

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although binary sunset is my go to

[Nero Cain]

I don't owe you shit fool

[Nero Cain]

I'm saving my energy to troll Angel

[Nero Cain]

Who would you help me PL?

[Nero Cain]

help me in ridding the world of pink bovines

[Nero Cain]

im already voting there

[Nero Cain]

strawberry milk is horrible

[Nero Cain]

but real talk: anytime you guys are rdy to throw toog or fire into the sarlacc pit just lemme know

[Nero Cain]

everyone rolls scum at some point in time

[Nero Cain]

y?

[Nero Cain]

What about him not wanting to vote Toog or Fire? Is that a reason too?

[Nero Cain]

prob wrong town hence why TR wants to give you a pass. I'm sure I'm wrong but it just seemed like interesting timing that you said you wouldn't vote Fire and maybe Toog and then TR comes in hard town reading you.

Also, look at Toogs ISO. Like it been a min b4 I played with him and maybe he's normally that fluffy but I'll find that out when I dive a little.

[Nero Cain]

that thing is evil incarnate

[Nero Cain]

a lil' yeah. What has fire said was straight outta yer head?

[Nero Cain]

oh you're right but then you are giving out a no lim pass for 2 days and you aren't hard town reading them?

[Nero Cain]

idk man, saying "im not hard town reading X" "but X shouldn't be considered for elimination for the next day or 2." and it just seems sorta like talking out of both sides of your mouth

[Nero Cain]

I would be down to poke AD.

*poke poke poke*

[Nero Cain]

Who here wants to kill smart people? What are your other reads, if any?

[Nero Cain]

idk man, saying "im not hard town reading X" "but X shouldn't be considered for elimination for the next day or 2." and it just seems sorta like talking out of both sides of your mouth

It's almost like a Gaper trying to pin you down for the Multiboom to get you, wouldn't you say?

no, I have no clue what the hell you just said

[Nero Cain]

Which one of those toog posts are content?

[Nero Cain]

tell us who is scum then o wise one

[Nero Cain]

I think using gamblers fallacy to town read someone is really really dumb.

Like I said it's been a while since I've played with him and it's possible he's just normally a fluffball but I tend to find that posting fluff in lieu of content is a fairly good indicator of a scum alignment.

[Nero Cain]

Angel still hasn't posted? Only one post from frogs?

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Tejate Raichu

[Nero Cain]

sad day when firepup is scum

[Nero Cain]

naw, you should vote TR or we could start a firebringer wagon

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Keeper
my first spicy vote for the game.

this is much more tarragon than it is cayenne

[Nero Cain]

pretty sure keep was just saying they get eliminated alot b/c ppl are biased against the gimmick

[Nero Cain]

I think Fire's vote there is a scum vote

[Nero Cain]

dude, they are a hardclaimed gimmick alt. It's not that they are "hiding" its just this alts gimmick play and those have always been around and you know it. This "overusing gimmicks is a scumtell" is very black and white.

DIE U SITH LORD

[Nero Cain]

anytime someone is overusing gimmicks

[Nero Cain]

So a hardclaimed gimmick alt is overusing thier gimmick after admitting that they'll be mostly gimmick playing. Yeah, not buying this thought procsess.

[Nero Cain]

nope don't really care to respond

[Nero Cain]

So u 100% think that keeper intended to play this game without giving any thoughts and just gimmick post instead of use gimmick as a way to deliver those thoughts in unique style.

p much. they even said so.

[Nero Cain]

Would some motivation help you think of some answers, I wonder?

442 is dumb. The reason why I think Fire is scum is already floating around ITT.

[Nero Cain]

You can say that you're more scumreading Fire than defending Keeper, but that doesn't really explain the timing being just perfect.

?????

[Nero Cain]

im not voting keeper?

[Nero Cain]

also, I don't think Keeper was a big topic or anything. Fire put down a vote that I felt like was a scum vote and I wasn't having it so I don't think your description of the thread is all that accurate.

[Nero Cain]

Nero then defends Keeper by stating that Keeper intended to essentially active lurk and do nothing productive all game

this is not what they said or what I said

[Nero Cain]

is Fire town, TR?

[Nero Cain]

is Fire town, TR?

its not a hard question

[Nero Cain]

Could I ask what in particular you think looks town about these recent posts?

Whats scummy about my recent posts?

if they are they why unvote?

if they aren't why are you questioning them?

[Nero Cain]

though I find this Nero thing a bit weird

Why?

Have you never felt like someone was scummy AF for voting LHF?

[Nero Cain]

I mean, let's be serious, Keeper isn't making it to end game or anything but I absolutely do think that the reasoning Fire has presented for voting Keeper is erroneous and is thus likely scum that's just laying down an ez vote.

[Nero Cain]

Low Hanging Fruit

[Nero Cain]

what the hell is scrolling vigi?

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I'd be down to form a wagon on fire

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TR why did you unvote me?

[Nero Cain]

a bad look.

am I scum or do I just look bad?

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also, there were 18 pages b4 my attack on Fire. Did you think those 18 pages were worthless and me pushing Fire was the only thing worthwhile in the thread?

but I think my content is being misrepresented as a defense on keeper when its an attack on fire

[Nero Cain]

then vote him?

[Nero Cain]

Using a gimmick doesn't make them town? In fact, the amount of times Keeper has gone "yall don't like my gimmick" has been way too many already to be town I think

I don't think I ever argued that keeper being a gimmick alt makes them town. OFC, if Fire is scum then that does make them unlikely to be scum, I think.

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but aren't you doing the same thing you are accusing me of, attacking Fire's attacker?

[Nero Cain]

This kind of attack is a classic method of scum defending their buddies, and you know this.

Also if you are pushing a Nero/Keeper team why was it important to start a Nero wagon instead of join the larger Keeper wagon?

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Magikhorse is one scum and my pick for the partner is

Tejate

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vote town (magic), bus buddy (Tejate)?

[Nero Cain]

I've liked FB's recent posting.

Why? It seemed like it was mostly empty with some small pushback on AD and questioning Toog. It's not the earthshattering content you make it out to be.

[Nero Cain]

didn't like TR's unvote of Fire

I think his "lets give Magic a pass!" "but I'm not hard townreading the slot" seems wonky to me. I also straight up believe he's only saying this b/c Magic doesn't want to vote Toog or Fire.

I have perused some of the completed games. And I have to say, I agree with the assessment a lot of people have already expressed that this playerlist has a lot of troll-y limbait players in it. Killing off smart town early and letting the limbait limbait would definitely be a good idea for scum.

I am not sure that I like this, like I get it ya know? scum going after an easy player is a viable strategy. (fire pushing a gimmick alt *cough cough*) ok fine but he's not accusing anyone of doing that. I guess he's trying to say "oh look at me I'm not scum b/c I'm trying to keep the smart player (Magic) alive."

I didn't much like his posting in the 400's and all I see is a chainsaw defense of Fire. 463 and 466 are funny where he accuses me of voting Keeper and then Fire.

VOTE: Magikhorse is one scum and my pick for the partner is

Tejate

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vote town (magic), bus buddy (Tejate)?

it makes 0 sense to me to be pushing a Magic wagon when there was a healthy TR wagon while calling TR scum.

[Nero Cain]

its just a bus

[Nero Cain]

Also, felt this is kinda ???

and a flip there is likely to shed light on Keeper themself.

Why does my flip shed light on only Keeper and not Fire? Even if we gave you the benefit of the doubt that you were town and you really think I'll flip scum doesn't my scum flip make Fire town? If so why not say anything? But what's going to happen is that I'll flip town which means that I'm being genuine. While that doesn't necessarily make Fire scum (although I think I am right) it does say that one of the better scumhunters was town and was pushing Fire so....maybe you'll say that I'm misrepping you b/c you didn't actually say that my flip doesn't shed light on Fire but you did omit it.

Also, you could have just joined the Keeper wagon but you didn't b/c ????

[Nero Cain]

but if your argument was that I was defending my scumbuddy why would you not vote my supposed scumbuddy?

its just a bus

Help me bus then

ok

VOTE: Frogster king

its just a bus

Why are you thinking it's a bus over a townie that believes the case?

I'm tunneled on Fire and when CSF said she liked Fire's empty posting and fussing about AD it made the klaxons in my head blare. I don't think his Toog stuff was all that great.

Surprising vote. I'm townleaning Tejate right now, and I feel like usually our reads are similar when we're both town.

Also, I lowkey feel like this post is shade and more likely to come from scum than town.

I had another reason but upon reflection I don't think its very viable.

[Nero Cain]

You sure that's a healthy amount of iocane powder to ingest?

I'm immune

toog stop mislabeling me as a shitposter. TY

[Nero Cain]

I'm getting town feels from most on this wagon,CSF the least but I dont hate this right now..

Why is CSF the least, just the naked vote from earlier?

[Nero Cain]

Whats ur readlist?

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I'm tunneled on Fire and when CSF said she liked Fire's empty posting and fussing about AD it made the klaxons in my head blare. I don't think his Toog stuff was all that great.

Yeah I dunno why you're tunneled on Firebringer.

I disagree that his posting was "empty"... the observations he made exhibited some close reading, not to mention I think Toog is kinda scummy.

607 fusses about AD but doesn't put in the work
608 useless post. Also, it was p clear keeper is calling me town or at least leaning there and maybe calling Fire scummy
609 wants a hard stance from toog
611 laments that only RR is agreeing with him
615 I feel like Toog was saying that we can judge Frogs in-game content without speculating that he's scum that's intentionally ignoring this game. If you want to argue that he's scum that's defending Frog then fine. I don't think Toogs comment that he doesn't have a stance on Frog b/c he's unmemorable is mutually inclusive. You can again argue that Toog not scumreading Frog while being "unmemorable" is off but I don't think "hey this guy is unmemorable but also we can judge him on his content ITT." is a contradiction or the "gotcha" moment Fire thinks it is.
618 fusses about AD more but still no specifics
620 is a fluff post and 621 is empty

So I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree but I don't think Fire's posting was anything outstanding and much more more null than +town with 609 being the best post but still nothing great. I am not sure why you felt the need to go out of your way to praise Fire's posting here and it looked a lil' suspicious to me.

[Nero Cain]

What is your take on people town reading Keeper?

[Nero Cain]

no one is stopping him from defending himself but the "im not posting my big case b/c im a perfectionist." seems sorta like scum stall. He might just get replaced at this point and I guess we can judhe the new slot

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Just kinda feels odd that you think I'm so "scummy" for thinking Fire pushing Keeper is an EZ push scum would make but there are people out there that our town reading Keeper. IDK, it seems like you aren't being internally consistent or something.

[Nero Cain]

AD, likes alot of my posting. Part of me worries about getting buddied but there are alot of scummy players out there and if I haven't solved yet I cab circle back.

[Nero Cain]

ok can we just discuss something else? like something actually relevant? If not galron/frogs today, then who?

fire? rat? tej?

[Nero Cain]

not gonna lie, I like this case stuff from frogster,

I thought it was pretty meh

[Nero Cain]

I'm hard skimming so maybe its been answered already but Feog why did you vote magic when there was a TR wagon already going? (at least at the time of your vote)

[Nero Cain]

Also here's a fun idea. If we weren't going to vote out Frog for efforting in the 11th hours we could always vote out RR. Its an 18 player and he's talked about 1 player and is either bussing or opportunisticly voting Drog.

I mean, no one actually thinks he's scumhunting right?

[Nero Cain]

The Frogster reads list, if he's scum, look for Rad Rat as a partner (the scum lean), and Tejate and and Magik as green.

Also one of his TRs would likely be a buddy

.

fire

[Nero Cain]

just claim guy

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or spend alot of time thinking about it

[Nero Cain]

I hard claim kitten herder

[Nero Cain]

I lied. kitten herder isn't a real role! so u can't CC

[Nero Cain]

he thinks NM throwing out a reads list is +town . I feel like I have to translate so much in this game.

[Nero Cain]

I actually do sorta town read NM, not for his "content" or anything but I think scum just sorta wants him around b/c his "reads" are bad, and keeping limbait around is a good scum strat.

[Nero Cain]

NM just lurks and posts that same type readlist when they are town D1

Actually...

In Polish Rap guy had the same intro (although he's had the same intro as scum) and didn't post a "reads" list and continued to do nothing while yours truly was pushing scum. The best approach to NM is a dead NM. His content is null at best though you could maybe even make the argument that NM posting ANYTHING is scummy.

[Nero Cain]

To be fair Nero, I'm pretty sure that reads list was a prodge wasn't it?

you do see me using air quotes right?

[Nero Cain]

My kingdom for a claim!

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part of me thinks this is an obvious scum claim and the other part of we wants to let scum nk this 2night. What to do? hrmmmm

by a show of hands who would run up RR or Fire?

[Nero Cain]

it's freaking me out that you are actually participating

[Nero Cain]

rude

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Nero Cain
MagikHorse
Scorpious
Momo
Save the Dragons
Dwlee99
Toogeloo
The Keeper
Galron
Not_Mafia
Frozen Angel
Andante
Hellbooks
Cat Scratch Fever
Tejate Raichu
Frogster King
Radical Rat
Firebringer

[Nero Cain]

ppl actually think NM list is actual content and not names in random order?

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: unvote

I'll revote after I hear the angelic sounds of the french girls typing

[Nero Cain]

Also still need 2-6 for fantasy baseball so be sure to sign up.

[Nero Cain]

shut up and play with your tire

[Nero Cain]

Also still need 2-6 for fantasy baseball so be sure to sign up.

If baseball even happens

its going to happen, shut up

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: unvote

Andante (1): Nero Cain

all unvotes must reflect off of unvote and stick on Andante. QUICK EVERYONE UNVOTE SO ANDANTE GETS VOTED OUT!

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Andante

[Nero Cain]

Now may be a good time to start discussing the setup.

not sure why you think that's important

[Nero Cain]

maybe as mafia.

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no one is stopping him from defending himself but the "im not posting my big case b/c im a perfectionist." seems sorta like scum stall. He might just get replaced at this point and I guess we can judhe the new slot

oh 100% the "I can't post cause it's not perfect"

is a scum stall

, at this rate he's getting replaced, so I'm not sure why Rat felt the need to vote now, feels like trying to rush a lim before replacement happens, the reasoning of "frog needs pressure" is weak... like, FROG HAS 6 POSTS TOTAL. I think Frog knows the pressure. all votes are gonna do is make people hammer frog before returning. half the table isn't playing so I'm sure if frog got to e-2 or e-1 frog would be dead

TMI

+ town AD is like a wannabe Not_Mafia and doesn't give a shit about who lives and dies. I think if she was town she'd be more willing to vote Frog

+
a FB, TR, AD solve is whats making sense to me

[Nero Cain]

If you really think me + Andante + FB is the solve, why would not push votes onto Radical Rat?

prob b/c he's dead and not a part of my potential solve?

but I personally didn't see very much reason to put you as toptown yesterday.

ok?

[Nero Cain]

and here i was thinking radical rat was scum.
i guess im wrong again.

at least my gut on frog was right.

So you were actively reading the thread and not posting?

[Nero Cain]

and here i was thinking radical rat was scum.
i guess im wrong again.

at least my gut on frog was right.

So you were actively reading the thread and not posting?

in what world do u think i read and not post

the one where you are scum

[Nero Cain]

but my point is that you didn't talk about Rat being scum or Frog being scum and you come into today talking about how your gut was right about Frog but you weren't even here while he was getting ran up.

[Nero Cain]

I meant why not push votes onto RR yesterday.

RR was being helpful to your team by defending Fire and pushing town.

[Nero Cain]

Fire if my AD vote is shit where's your vote at?

[Nero Cain]

scorpious or not mafia are good choices

if you believe that then why are you hesitant to vote? What happened to Keeper?

[Nero Cain]

Yes, and it sure was helpful to my hypothetical scum team to hard bus Frogster out of the gate. I just needed Fire alive so badly (despite having no experience with them and thus not knowing how hard they can deepwolf) that I just HAD to hard bus my teammate. Yeah, that makes a whole lot of sense.

TR wasn't posting and was going to eventually go down. You've said that you'll bus when the situation called for it so why is accusing you of bussing such a crazy thought? And I'm not even voting you so not sure why you are getting all bent out of shape.

What is your take on Fire claiming that there were 2 scum bussing Frog?

VOTE: Magikhorse is one scum and my pick for the partner is

Tejate

.

vote town (magic), bus buddy (Tejate)?

still think this is a thing

[Nero Cain]

i was going to say "thats not even what I said!" but I did accidentally type TR when I meant Frog. Frog wasn't posting and dude was going to go down. I think bussing a teamate that is literally not playing is a pretty good reason to bus.

[Nero Cain]

Subject: Infernal Affairs - Filled Role PMs being sent out

Closed Setup : Singleball Large Theme Game

[Nero Cain]

delayed OMGUS detected

[Nero Cain]

how I bussed Frogs.

thanks 4 letting us know what you did!

[Nero Cain]

Also I'd like to point out how you were not the 3rd vote on his wagon as u claim

Frogsterking (5): hellbooks, Save The Dragons, Scorpious, Tejate Raichu,

[Nero Cain]

Your RR reason is already extremely presumptuous at best, as it assumes your solve is already correct.

RR is dead flipped town, why would he be in my solve?

[Nero Cain]

You STILL haven't explained why leaving town!Galron alive instead of pushing day 1 makes any goddamn sense for your solve by the way.

other than the fact that you know that Galron is town when a presumably town you shouldn't have that information...

if scum is you + AD + Fire and AD was already on the wagon then scum you might not wanted to bunch up.

[Nero Cain]

You said that your scumteam solve would keep RR alive "because they were defending Firebringer" which is operating under the assumption that Firebringer is scum

but Fire already town us that you guys shot poor dwlee

[Nero Cain]

Regardless, you don't have an actual reason to suspect me of bussing.

Frog was literally not posting. Its a pretty good reason to bus + I believe Fire when he says that 2 ppl bussed Frog

[Nero Cain]

So i was thinking during night that this wagon happening must have been bussed by two scum.

like this is oddly specific, no? Why is it 2 and not 1? Why is it not all 3? Well other than the fact that Fire's not on the wagon and he can't say he's bussing.

Frogsterking (10): hellbooks, Save The Dragons, Tejate Raichu,

Cat Scratch Fever, Dwlee99, Radical Rat

, MagikHorse, Toogeloo, Scorpious, Not_Mafia

I still think 579 is a strong link between you and Frog. I don't think Magik is scum, or Scorpius (given that Fire is being hesitant to vote there.)

If I go with Fire's "2 scum bussed" that leads me to believe that scum is you and one of hellbooks/STD

[Nero Cain]

momo isn't scum. keeper is very unlikely to be scum I think given that Fire was pushing that d1. Toog is town assuming that u r scum.

which leaves me with

Andante
Firebringer
Tejate Raichu

Hellbooks/Save the Dragons

poe is a bitch huh?

[Nero Cain]

if you are scum and one of STD/hellbooks is scum that's the 2 scum that were bussing

[Nero Cain]

but my solve is correct

[Nero Cain]

I mentioned everyone but NM

[Nero Cain]

momo isn't scum. keeper is very unlikely to be scum I think given that Fire was pushing that d1.

I don't think Magik is scum, or Scorpius (given that Fire is being hesitant to vote there.)

Toog is town assuming that u r scum.

toog wasn't given any special treatment. I respect that you are trying so hard but your team is kaput

[Nero Cain]

Who is scum Tej? obv you think I am and who else?

[Nero Cain]

both AD and Fire being in your null reads kinda makes me think I'm right about a tej/AD/fire team

[Nero Cain]

ok sure

VOTE: Tejate Raichu

[Nero Cain]

Why should I have voted you over AD when I'm scumreading you both? The only difference is that NM expressed a desire to hammer you and I don't care which scum goes first. I mean, why should I?

[Nero Cain]

I think 865 is p good reasoning for why AD is scum.

the rest of the people here aren't.

No one has really been on so how can you know this?

[Nero Cain]

then vote him? I swear to god you and fire being super cautious with your vote is a scum tell.

[Nero Cain]

y is tej town?

[Nero Cain]

sheep me Scorp

[Nero Cain]

nero calling me a wannabe NM has killed me really caring right now

if all of you want to call me maf, please save me the trouble of playing this, putting in effort and please vote me out. please and thank you

I'm just being goofy. I mean it's not impossible that she actually feels insulted though I do think when she's town she's alot more free with her voting similar to NM. Maybe "wannabe NM" wasn't the best choice of words but I thought it was funny (and I think she might secretly find it funny)

I just sorta think these 2 posts are scum

AtE

[Nero Cain]

a mini is a 10/3 split. So a large is ???? I don't think I've ever seen 5 scum in anything less than a 21 player. So what comes between 3 and 5? You can do it, I believe in you tire panda!

[Nero Cain]

I just sorta think these 2 posts are scum AtE

can't be town ate?

can you quote me a post where town you got ran up and said something similar to 958

[Nero Cain]

tej is commenting on my "there are 3 scum outside of frog" remark

[Nero Cain]

I mean, I have actual reason to look for other maf yes

What was your reasoning?

[Nero Cain]

I just sorta think these 2 posts are scum AtE

can't be town ate?

can you quote me a town game where you got ran up and made a similar remark as 958

[Nero Cain]

Dragons is definitely looking pretty sus today

how is someone looking bad when they haven't been on?

[Nero Cain]

Are you going to read it?

[Nero Cain]

AD is just scum, guy

[Nero Cain]

the only time I was worried about you being mafia is when I was pushing Fire d1 and TR was defending Fire and you kinda got in the way and it made me worried that you were trying to distract and divert attention but not everyone can be scum and AD + fire + TR just makes the most sense to me.

[Nero Cain]

AD + fire + TR just makes the most sense to me.

so if at least one of us flips town, then what?

but none of you have flipped town yet.

[Nero Cain]

naw, you r prob the scum pr wich is why Tej was trying to get votes off you.

[Nero Cain]

depends on what ur action was last night

[Nero Cain]

I swear to Mith ppl are dull around here though TBF tone is a bit hard to read sometimes.

[Nero Cain]

but I'm not sure why you are starting there and not the start of the day phase

[Nero Cain]

Where's the town reasoning for doing that?

this is the shallowest thing ever. I thought it was pretty obvious that I was being glib although it is what I am accusing him of. Claiming that I'm manipulating by intentionally cutting and pasting his post when it's so easily disproven. Like is that an actual thought process?

Give me an actual reason my actions look like bussing instead of just saying I bussed and explaining why I would bus. Explain how it looks like bussing in the first place.

Like I think he's being pretty frantic but then again I've POE'd the scum so...

You aren't going to convince scum they are scum so asking me to explain why he would bus as scum is just scum logic.

he also keeps glossing over that I think him and Frog are linked by 337.

[Nero Cain]

an opportunistic push.

I called u scum in my 3rd or 4th post. How was I being opportunistic? I voted you before hell and toog voted you.

Your arguments don't strike me as wrongtown at al

that would be b/c I'm right town

Your reasoning for Toog being town is because of PoE and not the reverse situation where you townread Toog which therefor makes me scum in your solve.

this is nothing more than scum whine. there's only going to be a max of 4 scum in this game. if scum are you, fire and AD as I suspect then everyone else is town. Like ok, theoretically if you were to flip town then sure Toog can be the 4th scum but my read is that you are scum and I'm not going to change my read unless you flip town, wich I don't think will happen but hey!

And I think it's a fair bit more likely to come from scum given your day 1 and day 2 play so far

don't see what any of that has to do with anything.

[Nero Cain]

no? I mean you could explain why my day 1 and 2 play makes it more likely I'm scum pushing you instead of town that thinks you are the expendable scum goon.

[Nero Cain]

could you remind me what your fake solve is?

[Nero Cain]

nero not wrong that there is probably at least 4 scum in this game. That is also another reason why 2 scum have to be on that wagon imo.

Fire still TMIing

[Nero Cain]

so magik is basically sheeping all of TR's talking points.

Who do you actually think is scum at this point?

This game is just a waiting game at this point. NM already said he'd hammer TR so we just gotta wait for momo to stop voting the other scum and come over here and keeper to get out of their bad tunnel, IMO.

[Nero Cain]

see...you're not going to flip town.

[Nero Cain]

I don't think you are asking anything important. I mean your thing about NM is just ???? word salady

[Nero Cain]

like you are E-3, NM said he'd hammer you if you get 2 more votes. "Why r u acting like its a big brain play?" WTF is that even? Its like you are posting for the sake of posting

[Nero Cain]

the only time I was worried about you being mafia is when I was pushing Fire d1 and TR was defending Fire and you kinda got in the way and it made me worried that you were trying to distract and divert attention but not everyone can be scum and AD + fire + TR just makes the most sense to me.

Okay I need receipts. Where was TR defending me

Nah, not interested in chucking out Fire. We'll see his loyalties in good time. Don't know much about Toog short of the fact that he never rolls scum, so I'm fine with sorting him out later.

I'm not prepared to call Magik Townie McTownerson yet, but so far I think it would be in our best interest to give him a day 1 pass (stolen from morph the cat). Maybe a day 2 pass.

I strongly believe that Tej's "magic pass" is based solely on him not scumreading Fire.

Well, for one, his general attitude is constructive for creating actual game content to discuss.

I also think the reasoning given is sorta poor.

I mean MAAAAYYYYBBBEEEE it's just an awful coincidence but Magic saying they won't vote Fire and 3 mins later Tej comes barging in and wanting to give a pass to someone town reading his buddy is suspicious to me.

Nero, I don't mind gimmicks, but Keeper has really had a lot of nothing posts. Is there any real reason to go to bat for them right now? You're drawing an associative between Fire and Keeper based on the reason for voting, but do you see anything scummy about Fire or town about Keeper individually? Like, at all?

I'm more curious what on God's beautiful green earth makes you confident enough in Keeper being a limbait townie that Fire is pushing to the point where you're going to bat for them this hard right after Fire pushed them. You can say that you're more scumreading Fire than defending Keeper, but that doesn't really explain the timing being just perfect.

Okay, let me restate. Nero voted for Fire at the point of the thread where actual pressure is starting to build on Keeper. Nero then defends Keeper by stating that Keeper intended to essentially active lurk and do nothing productive all game which... doesn't make Fire's reason for voting not valid? And then plays it off by saying they already scumread Fire earlier in the thread.

here he's chainsaw defending on behalf of Fire

Also we are more than 1k posts in and he's STILL null reading Fire.

[Nero Cain]

I don't understand what knowing/not knowing what the setup is has to do with like anything let alone reading Fire. It's not an always situation but scum putting their buddies in null reads is a fairly common thing. You are also null-scum reading NM for being in Frogs top town reads but momo and Fire aren't given the same treatment. Why?


I think there's alot more reason for scum needing to know the setup than town.

[Nero Cain]

Also good job discrediting an entire wall of responses that doesn't even completely align with my opinions with a one liner.

ok

865 I don't think calling it a "scum stall" as you bolded in this post is TMI,

Who argued that it wasn't TMI? you did

Is that really TMI?

880/888/891 I can sort of see both sides here, but not so equally

who is the one that argued that they didn't bus. you did

I just HAD to hard bus my teammate. Yeah, that makes a whole lot of sense.

898 isn't really OMGUS

Who argued that they weren't OMGUS voting me. you did

This is not OMGUS

919 perfectly describes my thoughts on Nero's solve. Nothing at all is preventing Toog from being scum there instead of Tejate in this POE, why is he writing off the possibility?

Who is that one arguing that I should have Toog in my solve or I should be scumreading Toog or whatever your silly argument here is. You did

tl;dr I really don't buy into Nero's case here at all. It feels too much like Frog's case against me, working backwards from the solution instead of asking the questions.

Who is the one that is arguing that I was scum reading you without good reason? you were

you aren't actually trying to figure out my slot's alignment through my actions, you are assuming the worst about my actions and then explaining why my actions are scummy

These are your words verbatim.

[Nero Cain]

And you? Well, you conveniently left out the fact that you were, in fact, in Frogster's toptown

you are scumreading me and I'm asking you about YOUR read on fire. I don't see what the point of acknowledging that I was there accomplishes. Your "gotcha" scum game is lame

Also, what makes you say that scum need to know the setup more than town?

there were 3 kills besides the mafia kill. I don't see why a town you gives a shit in a SINGLEBALL game but a scum you would absolutely want to know where those kills came from.

[Nero Cain]

i mean no one is doing anything this game but I lowkey feel like scum are reving up for you to be the CW to Tej

[Nero Cain]

no but you could have told us who to vote for instead

[Nero Cain]

i mean the pronoun kinda gave it away.....

[Nero Cain]

I'd do a fire wagon with you scorp. u in Gal?

[Nero Cain]

Who do you think is scum Gal?

TR and ????

VOTE: Firebringer

[Nero Cain]

It's just a general vibe. He went after LHF d1 and then came into the day talking about how his gut was right about Frog despite not being here and that just feels like...idk trying to grab some town cred. I also think his "there were 2 scum bussing Frog" is TMI

[Nero Cain]

and today he's pushing Scorp and NM as scum. It just seems like he's going after the weakest slots possible. Although he's also pushing STD.

[Nero Cain]

you have to be pretty dumb or inexperienced or scum to not now that a large of this size is going to be 4 scum. I think your thing about 2 scum bussing Frog is TMI

[Nero Cain]

I'm not saying that you are wrong?

[Nero Cain]

Who are the bussers?

[Nero Cain]

ok who do i bus?

[Nero Cain]

I believe that you are truth-telling about being scum but I don't believe that you are telling the truth about who the bussers are.

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: STD

[Nero Cain]

Why not Gal or NM who you were calling scum? What even is this?

[Nero Cain]

and why do you seem to be pushing for a very fast day?

I don't think I am? I've called for more activity but that's not the same as wanting a fast day.

If you truly believe in the Tejate case,

give me

something that has none of these associative arguments with anyone else that's alive, and

give me

some more solid reasons to believe in them. Otherwise,

give me

a good reason to townread everyone else.

naw, I'm not here to appease you.

Look it's pretty clear that you just don't want your buddy to get voted out today as all you've done today is defend him and pushed nowhere.

My suspicion of TR is a carryover from d1 (you can find the post in my iso) although I do think that his day start wanting to talk about the setup was on the scummy side of things. "scum wouldn't bus frog!" oh yes they could and I think it makes sense to. I mean, I guess I could see it from your pov where you think a 4th vote on the wagon is an anti-associative but here's the thing and I think it's really important but I was pushing AD at day start. Tej is the one that argued that I had more reason to vote him than AD. He wanted votes off of AD. If you are associative hunting AD is the one that was calling Frog scum but didn't want to vote there. Is it really that big of a stretch to go from Frog was scum>>>AD didn't want to be on the wagon>>>Tej is trying to get votes off of AD

just too wrapped up in a single solve

how do you know my solve is wrong? You don't unless you are scum or a pr with an inno.

but then again you aren't pushing anywhere or even have a solve so.......

[Nero Cain]

I don't think I ever said anything like that.

I did suggest that you could have been busing Frog.

I do think that you not wanting me to vote AD could be b/c she's a pr.

[Nero Cain]

I called Nero's naked vote on Andante scummy and explained why I thought so.

no? you asked me to explain my reasoning after the naked vote but you didn't call it scummy at least not initally.

Why are you not voting any of your scum reads?

[Nero Cain]

that makes very little sense to me.

[Nero Cain]

Fire why are you voting STD while calling Scorp and NM the scum bussers?

[Nero Cain]

hard agree but I think he's being honest.

[Nero Cain]

ya'll town read me?

[Nero Cain]

What do you think of magik doing nothing today and just riding the town cred?

[Nero Cain]

when did u call magic scum b4 now?

[Nero Cain]

I mean I do think that it's theoretically possible that frog-magic decide to hard distance from each other

[Nero Cain]

Why are you not pushing anywhere?

[Nero Cain]

majic-he's saying that it was Scorp and NM as the bussers

[Nero Cain]

I don't think its either

[Nero Cain]

Hasn't come for me yet.

he was pushing you d1. And by pushing I mean he vote parked on you.

[Nero Cain]

then vote STD?

[Nero Cain]

Who is that @?

[Nero Cain]

i mean there's only 4 ppl I'd vote today (STD, Fire, Tej, Ad) but no one can agree though looks like STD wagon might happen so...

[Nero Cain]

I did but I decided on u