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Just to let you all know I thought my role is a bit dubious and if I have to claim I'm not sure it will be believed? Although now I've read the intro to the game perhaps that's not such a worry.
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Why would you give away your potato? What would make someone a suitable recipient?In post 31, cpol wrote:Given that the potato mechanic is clearly what everyone wants to talk about, and is the most important thing in the game right now, I am happy to state that I would give away my potato if I find a suitable recipient.
Yeah I agree it's pretty unlikely but I wanted to throw it out there. It might seem like a risky play but I think it's actually safer to get nominated earlier rather than later, because most people aren't gonna go ahead with an execution that quickly, and if you don't support it then Bella becomes safe for the rest of the day.In post 38, McMenno wrote:do you think scum!primate would give me the opportunity to kill his scumbuddy that quickly? super risky. also I think the scumteam is flavoured as a cult because of the whodunnit, but like, without recruits
Initially leaning scum; now leaning town. I tend to gut scum-read CES just for playstyle, and at first his vote on Bella struck me as reachy. But his push to make use of the potatoes is pro-town and overall I think his subsequent reasoning reads town to me.In post 55, Postie wrote:@Cerys, CES - what are your reads on each other?
In post 4, ChannelDelibird wrote:Your beloved moderator has been compromised to a permanent end. This seems like the work of a cult, so you're probably looking for multiple killers. Better get on that.
I was going based on the wording in CDB's opening post. Reading back though, I guess it is just saying 'the scum team has multiple people in it (like the whodunnit)'. But I had originally read 'multiple killers' to mean 'this game has multiple evil factions'.mykonian wrote:This screams scum with information that there are multiple teams out there. Yes there was cult at the meet. They weren't actually recruiting though and this whole confusion about whether or not there was recruitment really didn't help with figuring out what was going on with the whodunnit.
Wait, really...?
Sure, I think I'm being open in my reasoning. If I'd just said 'Chris' offer is scummy' would you have questioned it? Townies do make irrational plays, but scum have to deduce what the appropriate townie response to any situation is, and so any action that doesn't seem a natural one for a townie to make is one that is more likely to be coming from scum.In post 119, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:The "therefore" is doing a lot of work in that sentence.
Cpol was given a potato in the night. It's not that he survived without one.
In post 138, ChannelDelibird wrote:Oh, what's this? During the Night, cpol gained a potato.
Errr what? Pretty sure Cpol is close to conf-town now, and I've no idea why you'd peg me for an execution over Menno.In post 144, Postie wrote:Fenchurch, you're absolutely the next execution after cpol
What other interpretation did you have of their quick hammer the instant Cpol gave up his potato?In post 146, Nexus wrote:Menno claimed scum?
Huh? I'm really not following you on this...In post 148, Postie wrote:Yes, that's why you're both scum
Oh, I guess your explanation is that I had a second potato, so I must have given it to Cpol to hide the fact that scum-Cpol wouldn't die without eating a potato.In post 148, Postie wrote:Yes, that's why you're both scum
No. I am town, but I'm not a potato vendor, and I didn't give Cpol a potato in the night.In post 151, Postie wrote:Okay: are you a town potato vendor?
To add: the reason why I can see it as either town or scum is because whoever holding the role gets to use it in accordance with their alignment. If they are town, they try and save someone who they think is town. If they are scum, they try to use it to try and help achieve a scum win.In post 177, Postie wrote:Also ffs this isn't about potatos it's about the fact someone *stopped an execution from happening*
Is Tanner the same as Jester - the role that wants to get themselves executed? I don't think CDB would ever put that in a game because it's too difficult for town to play around when you don't know it's there. In a regular game it feels like a bit of a bait-and-switch if you're trying to execute the scummy people, but also, you might lose if you execute the scummy people. It's never been included in the Greater Idea deck.In post 200, cpol wrote:There is also the chance that Meno is a Tanner or something of course. Were there any meme-y One Night Ultimate Werewolf games that were played that could mean it's a role that's included?
Nexus - this struck me as contradictory as well and I don't think you had the chance to answer before the Day ended. What would your answer have been?In post 126, mykonian wrote:Given you are voting Cpol, why do you want them to have their potato back?In post 123, Nexus wrote:Give it back, then, Fenchurch.
But wouldn't it make Menno-scum much less likely? If Menno-scum's goal was to get an extra kill by timing the execution when cpol had no potato, why would the scum team then decide to save cpol?In post 234, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:I don't think it's quite as straightforward as scum potato vendor = cpolscum, so I don't see any need to rush it.
There are already 5 people who have indicated they didn't do it, but of the remaining 5 I don't know how many are on board with confirming.In post 235, Wenna wrote:I did not give cpol a potato. 1/10
I'm not sure I follow this. Do you mean if I had given the potato back then you would have gotten a read on me? Since I didn't do that, are you unable to form a read?In post 215, Nexus wrote:because I wanted you to give the potato back so as I could get a read on you.
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Why wait three days to share this?In post 255, McMenno wrote:oh and my reasoning for hammering at the time was that the vibes were off
I decided if I didn't like her next post I would execute and I didn't
What happened to 'if nobody claims the potato then Cpol has to die'?In post 256, Klick wrote:I'd pretty happily vote CES
At the start of the Day you asked me why I was voting Menno. Did you have any thoughts about the quick hammer at all?In post 253, Nexus wrote:I don't think menno is scum.
I’m also bothered by people backing off Menno. I still think Menno is 90% likely scum for the quick hammer. The contrition and explanation hasn't changed that for me and only came after people have pushed for it. Overall I think Menno's play is exactly like scum who judged (rightly or wrongly) that that quickhammer would be in their favour and was worth eating an execution for.In post 272, Postie wrote:I'm very concerned how multiple people are backing off Menno all at once.
No, but there are a few players who haven't claimed either way, and like CES, I think it is plausible for a town potato vendor not to claim, or for a scum potato vendor to give town-Cpol a potato. My main issue with the Cpol-scum theory is that I still struggle to see why Cpol would be so eager to give his potato away in the first place, knowing it could confirm him as scum? I can come up with theories but none of them seem very plausible.Postie wrote:Hey so do you see any town potato vendor claims yet
I don't have a CES scumread simply because I agreed with all his thoughts and approach on Menno. I haven't seen any explanation for what makes him scummy apart from him gunning for Menno, which I was doing to.In post 360, Postie wrote: And why it doesn't lead you to a CES scumread
I don't see being correct the same as being town. To me it was perfectly reasonable to find Menno scummy, because IIn post 362, cpol wrote:Stating that you think Klick didn't look town is also kinda crazy now. Especially given how yesterday played out. I'm not sure how you could come to that conclusion at the start of today.
I actually don't follow that - what made Klick more town to you after Menno flipped scum?In post 365, cpol wrote:Given that Menno flipped town, the chances of Klick being scum were super low
I'm not saying this is nothing, but I'm sure how you are suggesting that I should find you equally town, compared with people who gave more in the way of reasoned deductions, and pushed for an execution to happen in the first place.In post 367, Wenna wrote:I don't know about Nexus, but I was willing to vote for a player that I did not want to execute (Menno, for reasons quoted above) just to ensure town got a kill.
Mainly because I thought his reads were weird and he wasn't very forthcoming.In post 372, cpol wrote:I'll flip that round - why would you not have thought they were?
Ah okay yeah that makes sense. Although that behaviour is possible as scum because they recognise that the wagon is gonna come under fire after Menno flips town so they make sure not to be on it. But it's true this doesn't really look like that.In post 375, cpol wrote:Because I'd stated that I was going to hammer Menno, and Klick was the first person to unvote to stop that happening. The Menno push wasn't even getting derailed at this point. Why would scum!Klick ever do that?
Did you also consider that I sometimes find your play-style very suspicious, and might be inclined to execute you as Consul?Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:For the record, my first instinct was Fenchurch+Wenna . . . but I figured that did make the obvious consulmaker if scum ever bother to think about it
Hmm, I'd forgotten about the candles. What is the connection to CES?Primate wrote:This does mean candles are a scum mechanic, which is probably good for CES.
Why not? I would. If you're town, then it was perfectly reasonable to protect you.In post 425, cpol wrote:Surely you can't have expected a town potato vendor to suddenly come forward now, can you?
In post 399, Fenchurch wrote:Nexus - what is it that makes you unvote? The claim is believable, but surely Consul-maker fits just as easily as a scum role.
If I judge you based purely on play I think you're town, but overall my judgement is on everything, mechanics included. Sorry if there's not much you can do that.In post 434, cpol wrote:do you think I've played scummy? I can at least defend that.
Not sure they're flipped on their head. I guess something in the claims has put Nexus a bit higher for me and you a bit lower, but there's not a lot in it. Nexus just feels very lurky and I could buy him playing this way as town or scum.In post 440, Porochaz wrote:So this seems like you've kinda flipped your reads on their head, and I'd appreciate some explanation?
This is after I've spent half Day 2 disagreeing with Postie about Cpol being more likely scum or town, and the other half saying that I agree with everything that CES is saying.In post 382, Wenna wrote:Overall: odd little teaming up/facing off between the three of you.