Depends what you mean by not following (I wasn't following closely), but mainly I didn't care about the result as much as I should have. I didn't really want to say that because I think it's pretty disrespectful to the mod. There's a reason I stopped playing forum mafia. I thought I might be ok because I played a game in 2020 and that went fine, but whoops, guess not.In post 447, cpol wrote:So am I right in assuming that you just had a general apathy towards the game? And as a 'town' player, you were either happy with the direction that the game was taking, or simply not following it?In post 435, Primate wrote:Not posting is not posting. What's the point making an excuse, the reason's the same, there were other things you enjoyed doing more (or needed to do more) than playing forum mafia in this specific game at that time.In post 428, cpol wrote:Others have when asked? Or at least I've seen Menno explained the hammer by saying they were zooted, Nexus saying they aren't that invested because they are a VT, Poro saying that they weren't bothered by D1 because of the Consul/potato stuff and Wenna saying that they aren't super sure what to do in forum mafia. So I can't see why a similar level of explanation could be asked of you. Everyone there has been willing to put some kind of justification in.
Sure. Yes they've changed. The Poro/Ces grouping is me criticising Klick for seeming like he's lining up eliminations, not saying I don't like them as a pair (I have no reason to see them as a pair). I thought/think Ces was/is town, so it seemed like he might be preparing for a miselimination of poro after CES turned up town (which isn't the way the day went.)In post 439, Postie wrote:Okay Primate help me out
In post 84, Primate wrote:My townreads atm are Menno and Fenchurch.In post 286, Primate wrote:Poro is scummy.In post 324, Primate wrote:Don't like the poro/ces grouping.Have any of these reads changed
Why or why not
(Excluding Menno obviously)
Do you have an explanation on your Poro read? Or at least posts you didn't like you can link?
What was your thinking here?In post 406, Primate wrote:Yep. I actively think we should do it.In post 405, cpol wrote:Are you up for a mass claim
As someone whoIn post 453, Primate wrote:It's possibly because I've not been as invested and it's hypocritical for me to say, but the town generally seems a bit lazy.
It wasn't really meant as a criticism, I'm more self aware than that. It's more like we've only 3 plausible vote wagons (bella/menno/ces) total (you could also count some pressure towards cpol at points), which is a bit weird and I was wondering why that might be the case. I think the most plausible explanation is just it's difficult to get wagons going with a lot of the living players less active and not making cases to get people on side though so I'm not sure it's as relevant. It mostly ties into whether I think the fact that you and CES kind of tunnelled menno d2 is anything. I do get why you would do that if you geniunely thought they were scum, but given the result of the day I think it's scummy, especially because as scum it would be really easy for you to just decide that you think the quickhammer is super scummy and take it as written that menno is scum. A bit like the dogmatism you were doing d1 with the potatoes and cpol. The same applies to CES of course, although CES takes more time getting there and interrogates menno about it.In post 455, Fenchurch wrote:As someone whoIn post 453, Primate wrote:It's possibly because I've not been as invested and it's hypocritical for me to say, but the town generally seems a bit lazy.isinvested, feels disappointed that we've had 2 town executions, sad that I was wrong on Menno, frustrated that we might be cruising to a loss... yes, it is hypocritical
It would obviously be narratively satisfying if that was the case, but I'm pretty sure that scenario does not in fact make more sense than 2 wagons on town.In post 445, Nexus wrote:It also makes sense given that CES was the only real counterwagon to the VT elimination yesterday.
I didn't understand what Primate meant by this, so had a look at the numbers listed (thank you). I suggested Fenchurch>CES twice, and then swapped to CES>Fenchurch.In post 453, Primate wrote:Unrelated to any of this. I said Fenchurch/Wenna in a previous post. That was based primarily on what seemed content by wenna (#381+398, last like #400, switch last line #414), but it does kind make sense, but when I posted that I thought it was genuinely suspicious and now I think it's just potential scumbuddy moves.
But mostly because more players seem to have similar views on CES to me, and so I am trying to listen to the consensus. Early game I was Postie>Fenchurch then CES>either. So it's not as simple as a Vote Fenchurch, no wait don't, scenario.In post 417, Wenna wrote:But then if I imagine Fenchurch saying this IRL, it seems much more ordinary: gives idea, pushes for your idea [repeat].
CES: Please expand on this.In post 460, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Wenna's read on Fenchurch feels very much like a "The Emperor has no Clothes" situation
CES: Why can't we win if Nexus or I are town?In post 460, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:I'm not sure we can win here if either Nexus or Wenna are town.
If it's worth anything, I think my tunnelling was influenced from my last team mafia game, where someone made a very suspicious claim (delayed arson vig) and floundered. I was hesitant and doubtful of whether scum would make such a scummy play. But it turned out they were just scum.In post 457, Primate wrote:I do get why you would do that if you geniunely thought they were scum, but given the result of the day I think it's scummy, especially because as scum it would be really easy for you to just decide that you think the quickhammer is super scummy and take it as written that menno is scum. A bit like the dogmatism you were doing d1 with the potatoes and cpol.
You've just written these elaborate descriptions of the behaviour that's supposed to make Fenchurch scummy, of manipulating people in these really thought out ways. But there's just nothing behind it; when I asked for an example, it seemed to amount to her with agreeing with something. I don't think there's any way she could have manipulated that into existence and it doesn't seem to particularly accomplish anything? At a push you could suggest she's trying to establish cpol as town but then she's doing it quite overtly.In post 462, Wenna wrote:CES: Please expand on this.In post 460, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Wenna's read on Fenchurch feels very much like a "The Emperor has no Clothes" situation
It just feels hard to imagine executing two other people over both of you.Wenna wrote:CES: Why can't we win if Nexus or I are town?
I am not overly enamoured by Primates response to being called out - what I would call overly defensive/aggressive (similar to Patrick did to me during WereLeg one game when he was scum), plus for someone not 'invested' in the game, they sure responded quickly to being voted for. Nexus may have been luring a lot more, but several of their comments have resonated with what I was feeling at the time as well. I'll agree Wenna is a null for me at the moment, but could fall into that 1 voter category. And I still land on the fact that I can't see Nexus and Wenna together as a pairing.In post 469, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:I don't actually get how you can vote for Primate earlier in the day for lurking and somehow have issue with the theory that Nexus and Wenna, both of whom I would describe as having interacted less with the game than Primate.
The first time you were at E-2, the claims hadn't happened yet. The jailkeeper wasn't known, so could have happened.In post 472, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Do you think that e.g. if there's a Nexus-Poro-Fenchurch scum team, Poro and Fenchurch would quickhammer me, risking a 1 in 3 that they get jailkept and the town is right back in it?
But also, just as an example, Poro hasn't actually posted while I've been at E-2.