Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

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just dropped a message in the monastery querying if we want to switch to malcom - we had just been discussing earlier today how malcom scumclaimed pretty hard by voting FL.

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speak of the devil

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ngl i would have not hesitated to bury you and my serious consideration if your claim was real or not based on the weird restriction you claimed and later reevaling it after realizing catboi's role was intensely weird too is like kinda non-TMI indicative on my end but I don't think anyone who wants to scumread will try to see that anyways.

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I'll admit tho there is a chance I might have defended you as scum but my technique would have been the "botched defense" where I seem to really try to defend a player from elim but I intentionally do so with poor arguments that I know won't work on people.

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maybe. I could understand he'd make sense as a catboi buddy b/c he yelled and pleaded with people to hammer Toog to potentially keep catboi from elimination.

but A.) Mena does scummy dumb things

B.) I'm being spiteful b/c I think you are mafia that intentionally went after not wolf scum b/c mafia you have motivation to keep them alive.

At least you admit the spite lmao.

Want to kill Malcom then?

I don't think killing maf CSF will save FL here based on how people are refusing to consider the slot and without your vote its frankly hopeless and I think ur just preflipping me to townread them without evaluating them on their own but oh well

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I agree Flavor is likely mafia on balance of things

this really irks me. Like what do you know about the games balance?

there's a flipped town voyer

a flipped wolf bookie

2 claimed 1x gs

a vt claim

a parity cop claim

a monkery and a masonary.

I might be forgetting some claims but I don't see how a town you, with the same info as me, can determine whether or not a vig exists based on balance.

There was a masonry based vig in the original run of the setup theme so lol

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I mean, its not spite spite like I dislike you so much that I'm intentionally ignoring the game to spite you just that I don't trust that your mena read is truthful.

Well I think you should try reevaling if you reached similar scumreads as me for mafia after I already outted my reads there.

Mena likes to be a lurkfuck as scum and loses a lot of steam as the game goes - and that's present here, and he has no fire in his play.

VOTE: Malcom

Let's do this, aight?

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pretty sure I was calling yd-butter scum before you did, not that I really care. My Malcolm thing is just that he was going to bat for Butterchurn and that "Boon is scum based on balance." just seems wildly dumb.

mena seems like a useless lurksack regardless of alignment so...

butter I called out d1 but I kinda got converted to it and I had a strong townread on Norwee so i thought they were town but I was willing to reconsider bc of a recent game I just finished where I misread norwee horribly

but yes maybe u are right but I still uh didnt just copy your reads.

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i think the recent voted kinda freaked me.out reads wise ay csf and then csf vote on fl kinda snapped me.back so i think i wanma go from my townreads and go from.there and see how i fare

i think nero has a good portion of the solve and i have another portion just in the way is seeing me as scum which uh frankly is just laziness on neros part in trying to find me town imho but whatever lol.
Im feeling bad about trying to force a mafia lim in the sense i feel not confident about pinning down a specific mafia that can actually be limmed and i feel safer limming peoppe i think are obviously spewed wolf off of catboi wagon stuff but yeah :/

To people FOSing me - what is it that you would need to find me town here? Because really what it boils down to the difference between my town and scum play is *lacking* aspects of my town game and being a shell of my town game and i feel its been pretty blatant im town in how i have shown progression but perhaps people dont have the holsitic pov of being aware of all my posts idk :/

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Bc what i see happening today is scum trying to ram through the FL wagon and then we end up with me as the chained mislim after that and woo

luckily as time goes on tho scum tend to shoot eachother in these setups so yeah.

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bunny i still think is town fwiw i am just frustrated that half my townreads find me as scum and thats holding back a lot here

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bunny/FL/StD/cass/nero/sword of ducks all town IMHO
idc if you dont trust me atp i just want to express im going to push this as explicitly pure as i generally have been today and I dont want the elimination on any of these slots 100%
7-3
j think the disjointed behavior and lack of trust of eachother easily also points to all these players being unpaired

FL/std/myself have been suspicious of eachother d1 but i think we've reached a point of at least townleaning eachother.

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7-3 wasn't meant to be in there idk how that happened

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VOTE: butterchurn

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I still don't think it makes sense for FL's kill condition to be tied to keeping possible scum alive.

I still think it's more possible for him to be scum who decided to fake claim vig than actual vig.

I still think we don't want FL to be around in the late portions of the game.

I still think FL being eliminated is better than any potential vig beneifit.

It makes perfect sense. It makes him less likely to shoot into the monastery.

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Thats literally what CabD did in the first iteration of this theme rofl

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Welp that cats out of the bag
Not like it wasn’t extremely easy to figure out tho

no i actually did not suspect a thing but now this helps me solidify a read on you


talk to me abt ur scumread on me

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Granted, I think his CSF reasoning is...bizarre to say the least, and it's not

IMPOSSIBLE

that he rolled scum and decided to fakeclaim vig but the extra kill is helpful for town. Even if he were roleblocked that's still unblocking a potentially useful role.

And WW will potentially just shoot there to shut him down lol

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I led this wagon on you and I townread FL CSF, as well as have stated FLs claim came during the night phase.

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Yeah that's what they said about catboi and toog.

what did I say about catboi?

I asked you a while ago to prove I townread catboi past my initial read. Did you find it?

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Do you not still realize that I literally cannot be scum with Catboi ergo me not voting catboi means very little for my alignment

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Let me explain this like you are 5 years old:

My role is a Monk

what that means, is that I am in a chat with other people.

And there is something very special about those people

The special thing is that we are all confirmed to not be possible to be the alignment "Werewolf".

And since we know that me, SCP 682, cannot be possibly a werewolf that means I cannot be teamed with anyone who is a werewolf ever.

And now we look at the kill from last night: catboi was revealed to be a Werewolf.

Now this means that it is impossible that I was ever scum with catboi.



Did that get through to you?

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catboi, I think that it is advisable to just leave FL be here for now. I think you are both town.

Buddy.

Ah I forgot about that.

I thought the AtE from catboi was genuine at the time. But I later discarded it.


But regardless see above explaination regarding how the Monk role works.

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https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... Variations

here is a helpful link for you to educate yourself on monks if that doesnt make sense to you or for some reason you are so confbiased that you cannot understand logic from me

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Like what I feel like you think is that I am scum because catboi flipped scum but that is absolutely garbage logic for obvious reasons.

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its almost like there's a scum faction thats not WW...

I'm towny as fuck and you're too lazy to read me as a whole.

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So you are claiming confirmed not werewolf, but not necessarily not mafia it sounds like.

I am claiming you are being completely illogical in trying to scumread me for how I acted around catboi.

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Welp that cats out of the bag
Not like it wasn’t extremely easy to figure out tho

no i actually did not suspect a thing but now this helps me solidify a read on you


talk to me abt ur scumread on me

your give a bad vibe rn, and I feel like your deflection of Keeper’s accusations was scummy

A player that has incorrectly scumread me for 5 games in a row suddenly not hard scumreading me...hrmmm

If this is about me, I TRed you correctly in our last game together (I don’t count that large)

What's the bad vibe from??

Please ellaborate gamma.

Now that I know its you, I know exactly how to push you to get you to full alignment tell after the ace attorney game. You won't get away with safe takes.

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at least nero i understand why bc they prob preflipped ydrasse/norwee and butter
see how i treat those slots

and then combined with seeing me pushing toog without really trying to understand my thought process makes for a fun confbias.

its pretty level 1 logic and nero is easily town there but i can actually see where the thoughts came from and link them to his reads.

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monkeyman on the other hand is just playing from another planet where logic doesnt exist and apparently i am scum bc i didnt want to vote catboi (?)

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that is not me pivoting to say monkeyman is scum btw

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VOTE: Butterchurn

I got scum pings on reading this slot like half an hour ago I just remembered

Going to ISO and see if I can substantiate, but I am reminded of this Mini Normal in which Butterchurn was mafia: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88570

also mfw nero prob did preflip butter and then this is like one of my very first posts

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at least nero i understand why bc they prob preflipped ydrasse/norwee and butter
see how i treat those slots

I don't really get this. I think they are scum yes, but why does it make me think you are scum with them?

why am i scum then?

bc u have this weird idea that scum will only want to push townies over other scum faction?

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and yet you thought I could have been scum in the Datisi normal
Anyway, I feel like your opening today was suspicious as hell. I dislike how you threw Flavor Lead under the bus when accusations came that your monastery could have a scum.

let me explain why:

I thought FL's role at the time was impossible as claimed because I was under the assumption that FL made up his claim and was scumclaiming with the Normal setup in mind. I was under the impression that only Normal roles, with WW versions being parallels of the Mafia versions and no more.

Later it was pointed out to me that bookie was a role(catboi's flipped role) which I had not really read closely at the time. This had opened the door on weirder roles and thus FL's claim was more legitimate.

As well as the viability that FL *WOULD* vig catboi. I didn't care about lack of other kills, because the only thing that mattered is the most viable kill for a vig!FL was in the graveyard.


And that progression is very clear if anyone were to bother to read.


Anything else?

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I read very very little of anything that happened before I replaced in.

That much is clear.

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Also Gamma, that's frankly extremely dishonest to use against me when I have done nothing but try to pull people off the wagon that I townread.

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maybe we should shoot your slot if you wanna put out anymore scummy takes like that

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why am i scum then?

my reasoning for thinking you were scum is b/c I felt you were blatantly wolf hunting.

I also think you are being very conscious and worried about your appearance.

To people FOSing me - what is it that you would need to find me town here?

we end up with me as the chained mislim

I am wolf hunting and mafia hunting

and the 2nd point is Koba indicative not scum Koba indicative.

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It is much easier to fucking wolf hunt with a flipped wolf too so frankly you are just commenting on me taking an easier route and now struggling to find mafia without a mafia flip while our fucking reads line up for the most part on the mafia side.


You're confbiased as shit and I think you probably dont scumread me as hard as you were earlier but just think you have to be right on me for whatever reason.

I hope butter flips mafia and that shuts you up about me

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Subject: Mini 2240: SCP UPick 2 (Day 8)

im gonna try to sit down and hard solve this game tonight please dont hammer shit and if you're on wagon pls unvote
i want to clear my preconceptions and try to review the game and try to get into the mindset like im a spectator - i very much *hate* a limlo situation here because i wpmt be able to solve properly bc i can feel being pushed on or even a random vote towards me.

guys koba was self conscious in this game they R SCUMZ LOLE

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Subject: Mini 2240: SCP UPick 2 (Day 8)

T3, aligned with

SCP foundation Researcher

, was eliminated Night 8.

Spoiler: Role PM

Lady Lambdadelta

Name:

Double Vision

Code:

SCP-187

Class:

Safe

Alignment:

SCP foundation Researcher

Effect when breached:

Seeing the Death

triggers on last player who voted you, if it hasn't been triggered already.

Research:

• Seeing the Danger [Cost: 2 D-Classes]:
  You can lead her around the facility during the night and see which container is prone for breach. She will probably see few unfortunate D-Class' deaths along the way though.
  
• Seeing the Death [Cost: 5 D-Classes, 2 Securities]:
  You can bring her around the facility when she feels anxious during the night. She might see a lot of deaths. And probably one of the researchers. This research can only be conducted once, for after this her mental state would be too unstable for her to potentially go through this again.

Win Condition:

Rout out all the infiltrators.

SCP 999, aligned with

SCP foundation Researcher

, was endgamed.

Spoiler: Role PM

SCP 999

Name:

Tickle Monster

Code:

SCP-999

Class:

Safe

Alignment:

SCP foundation Researcher

Effect when breached:

The monster is pretty harmless. It will tickle whoever initiated the breach attempt.

Research:

• The tickling [Passive]:
  Tickle monster will hug and tickle anyone who approaches it. Visiters will be roleblocked.
  
• Keeping it in check [Cost: 2 D-Class]:
  During the night, you can give the monster 2 D-Classes to keep it occupied during the night, preventing it from tickling anyone else.

Win Condition:

Rout out all the infiltrators.

Dwlee99, aligned with

Infiltrator

, survived and won!

Spoiler: Role PM

Dwlee99

Name:

Clone Coffin

Code:

SCP-222

Class:

Safe

Alignment:

Infiltrator

Effect when breached:

Everyone who visits you will be clonded for a day.

Research:

• Cloning self [Cost: None]
  : During any point of the game, you can choose to conduct experiment by yourself for you were explicitly told that you are prohibited from conducting a research by duplicating D-Classes. Once you are cloned, your vote will count as two and your actions will count twice. However, the votes toward you will also count twice. This effect is permanent.

Win Condition:

Achieve parity with alive

SCP foundation Researchers

or deplete either amount of Class Ds or Security guards.

Infiltrators won!

OH fuck im clownin

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see how ridiculous your premise is to me Nero, that I cannot argue against it because it is, frankly, not a scumtell for me because I am aware of gamestate?

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Subject: Mini 2240: SCP UPick 2 (Day 8)

T3, aligned with

SCP foundation Researcher

, was eliminated Night 8.

Spoiler: Role PM

Lady Lambdadelta

Name:

Double Vision

Code:

SCP-187

Class:

Safe

Alignment:

SCP foundation Researcher

Effect when breached:

Seeing the Death

triggers on last player who voted you, if it hasn't been triggered already.

Research:

• Seeing the Danger [Cost: 2 D-Classes]:
  You can lead her around the facility during the night and see which container is prone for breach. She will probably see few unfortunate D-Class' deaths along the way though.
  
• Seeing the Death [Cost: 5 D-Classes, 2 Securities]:
  You can bring her around the facility when she feels anxious during the night. She might see a lot of deaths. And probably one of the researchers. This research can only be conducted once, for after this her mental state would be too unstable for her to potentially go through this again.

Win Condition:

Rout out all the infiltrators.

SCP 999, aligned with

SCP foundation Researcher

, was endgamed.

Spoiler: Role PM

SCP 999

Name:

Tickle Monster

Code:

SCP-999

Class:

Safe

Alignment:

SCP foundation Researcher

Effect when breached:

The monster is pretty harmless. It will tickle whoever initiated the breach attempt.

Research:

• The tickling [Passive]:
  Tickle monster will hug and tickle anyone who approaches it. Visiters will be roleblocked.
  
• Keeping it in check [Cost: 2 D-Class]:
  During the night, you can give the monster 2 D-Classes to keep it occupied during the night, preventing it from tickling anyone else.

Win Condition:

Rout out all the infiltrators.

Dwlee99, aligned with

Infiltrator

, survived and won!

Spoiler: Role PM

Dwlee99

Name:

Clone Coffin

Code:

SCP-222

Class:

Safe

Alignment:

Infiltrator

Effect when breached:

Everyone who visits you will be clonded for a day.

Research:

• Cloning self [Cost: None]
  : During any point of the game, you can choose to conduct experiment by yourself for you were explicitly told that you are prohibited from conducting a research by duplicating D-Classes. Once you are cloned, your vote will count as two and your actions will count twice. However, the votes toward you will also count twice. This effect is permanent.

Win Condition:

Achieve parity with alive

SCP foundation Researchers

or deplete either amount of Class Ds or Security guards.

Infiltrators won!

OH fuck im clownin

Most sad thing is that i called out right scumteam like instantly after replacing.

at least we got scum cephrir in that situation because i was able to find you town lol

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SCP is not playing a team game in my opinion, the way townies should play.

I was raised in mafia on playing a solo playstyle and am not as comfortable playing as a team but to claim this is so dishonest dude. I am trying to assemble several people I find town and get them to townread eachother. I would call that teambuilding. Who's on YOUR team?

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u know what

sorry

this isn't useful

this is distracting.

im letting my feelings ruin the gamestate.

i just feel like it will be a much harder game without having townies actually townread eachother en masse like meh

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bunny/FL/StD/cass/nero/sword of ducks all town IMHO
idc if you dont trust me atp i just want to express im going to push this as explicitly pure as i generally have been today and I dont want the elimination on any of these slots 100%
7-3
j think the disjointed behavior and lack of trust of eachother easily also points to all these players being unpaired

FL/std/myself have been suspicious of eachother d1 but i think we've reached a point of at least townleaning eachother.

you literally are not reading half my posts

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I am done interacting with you. it is akin to speaking to a brick wall.

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feels like nero FL StD cass and I are the only ones genuinely interested in solving people.

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then you idots need to stop voting Nashville and CSF and help me kill Meg or Klick

Both of those people are in the masonry ergo I am not allowed to wolf hunt because that is scummy according to you so I need to prove that I can flip Mafia.

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butterchurn come join us on csf

malcolm come join us on csf

nero

enchant come join us on csf

dunnstral do you have thoughts on csf

They have fallen off in activity and it's not beyond reason that they could be a member of an anti-town faction here. I don't have a strong read beyond that. I'm not really interested in compromising, though. If not FL it's going to be Nero for continuously sidestepping questions

Nero is transparently town.

I am actually shocked at you somehow finding both FL and Nero scum here - I need some concrete reasoning from you. "Sidestepping questions" needs to be substantiated with examples.

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I kinda remembered part of why I want CSF dead, and it has to do with the complexity of their reads and how flat they come off as in posts such as this:

VOTE: Nashville Dreams

I'm all caught up, although admittedly I kind of skimmed the last bits of the Well Done and Flavor argument since i don't think I got anything out of that. I still think the Nashville Dreams case is better than anything those two are slinging at each other though.

I'm tentatively townleaning Flavor -- I'm vibing some of his main scumreads and coming around to scum!catboi, whose 1498 pinged me and because his weird townread on mastina on page 72. mastina is also scummy -- I wasn't feeling her vague butterchurn push or the momo PT thing. I also find Flavor pretty manipulative as town in general, so I'm not sure the points made against him are AI.

I also think Klick could be scum -- his posts pinged me as pocket-y, like when he was talking to Mena about filler stuff on page 61 instead of taking the time to work with Mena on reads.

Ydrasse could also be scum

Or town with a bad use of their role, but i think it is just unlikely that catboi and flavor were aligned based on how catboi replaced out so that parity cop check has me raising eyebrows

where its like trying to look like scumhunting but ultimately its super flat. granted like multiball ik but also this just isn't explicitly *townie*

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regardless if nero's ego has deemed you worthy of an answer or not I still think they are town

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klick meg and tictac masonry

std me and FL monks

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*sigh*

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he has talked more about me

he has outted a full reads list


he has done more than that and frankly you're coming at nero in bad faith right now when he is very towny even if wrong on people

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u know i was going thru well done's iso to prove nero wrong but like lol they are right well done (the former slot owner of dunns slot which included dunn) talked a lot more about mechs and what ifs rather than actual solving

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i would quantify this into a spreadsheet but im not a nerd + well done's iso is available for everyone to read anyways

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We think that Flavor Leaf is scum and has taken great efforts to establish narratives this game to control the flow of the game. Setting up strong ideas that it is this person vs that person, or that this other person is pocketing people, that scum are covering for Catboi and that mastina is a good elimination (she's not). They feel like they're talking past us and setting up their own version of events for this game. It doesn't feel like he is focused on finding and killing scum so much as trying to push narratives today and trying to get people to think about the game in certain ways.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

and like when there are scumreads its weak ass reasoning like this lol

werewolf dunn ?

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the last run of this theme had a mafia member who also randed miller

and Well Done was a hydra that included Dunn

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didn't well done also do a similar 'why won't you answer my questions' thing on nashville

yes I just got to that within their ISO, was strange. Feels like a gimmick atp.

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Bnuuy i think is town by that metric; they kept getting run up as a counter wagon really fast

This is a good point

Looking back I like this from CSF and won't vote there

elaborate. because it seems like you scumread bunny 2 posts before this


if you actually scumread someone you feel that people going for defenses like that are paired naturally - not immediately read them town.

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we can do them due diligence and get them to choose to spew or flop over

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and if they are town, to reevaluate if they manage to towntell.

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Also Gamma, that's frankly extremely dishonest to use against me when I have done nothing but try to pull people off the wagon that I townread.

???

You are saying it is scummy for me to push FL but ignore the follow up where I am currently pushing to NOT have them elimmed at any cost.

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Well there’s not as strong as a push on the monkery in general currently

FL was at e-3 or e-4 when I was defending him actively.

Try again.

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monkeyman promise me one thing - when I do inevitably end up being flipped as town -> you will blame yourself for not reaching the read and not try to blame me for playing the way you want.

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because frankly what annoys me most about players like you is when you have reads like that you end up pretending you had no fault and dont think to improve yourself

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why dont you go after the 11 other people who voted toog then rather than the person who started the wagon and was actively pushing to sort toog directly

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Lol, I have a wagon on me.

ya im leading it

looking for you to at least try to read recent stuff, skim some ISOs, make some hot takes

ok toog's reaction to this pressure has been extremely scummy

kill the slot.

fixed

FL please stop spewing fallacies that make bad assumptions because you are going to look extremely foolish when toog flips scum

Quoted for posterity.

you keep doing these performative things to appear town but nothing that is actually townie so nice try.

actually make reads , show progression, ty.

For all I know, I was already hammered.

Can you at least give us something?

I haven't read shit.

I wake up in the morning, have breakfast and make lunches for myself and my kids.

I work a 9 hour a day job with a lunch break half way.

I make dinner when I get home.

I take my kids to karate 4 days a week, Viola for my daughter, and piano for my son.

I like to get 9 hours of sleep a night.

My wife travels weekly for her job, so I do a lot of parental stuff solo.

I fit Mafia in when I can, but I will not, and can not, read 40 pages of posts a day, most of which is probably just noise. I skim thru a bit if I think I missed something relevant, but I'm pretty much just flying by the seat of my pants.

I'm an easy elimination, simply put. But since I haven't been able to produce content, I'm also an informationless flip. This is a policy elimination, and anyone who says otherwise is selling you dogshit.

do u think theres scum on your wagon?
who is scum on the wagon?


what are any of your game related thoughts on what you have skimmed?

these are things that you are dodging answering.

and to others -> that last sentence is simply trying to wave off votes via appealing to people who care about said things. its trying to continue to make excuses intentionally to continue doing this low game content play to stay under the radar.

toog got caught and can't argue their way out of it with any actual takes on the game bc frankly they think it wont look genuine or will spew people.

just as proof that even though I was convinced toog was scum I still interacted with him to try to make sure I was right

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votecount 1.F

Toogeloo (12) | SCP 682,

Ydrasse

,

Menalque

,

butterchurn

,

tictac

,

catboi

,

mastina

,

Sword of Ducks

,

Save The Dragons

,

bnuuy

,

cassowary

, Nashville Dreams

catboi (5) |

MonkeyMan576

,

Nero Cain

,

Flavor Leaf

,

Toogeloo

,

Cat Scratch Fever

MonkeyMan576 (2) | bnuuy, The Keeper
Flavor Leaf (2) | Dunnstral, Klick

The Keeper (1) | Enchant

Not Voting | MegAzumarill, MalcolmTucker

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to politely ask someone to leave.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-05-09 09:41:00).

Double checking the VC now.

[SCP 682]

hold up why is bnunny on this wagon twice

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also i prob should stop tunneling ydrasse bc dunn wolf prob means ydrasse slots out esp due to how attention grabbing the claim is

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votecount 1.F

Toogeloo (12) | SCP 682,

Ydrasse

,

Menalque

,

butterchurn

,

tictac

,

catboi

,

mastina

,

Sword of Ducks

,

Save The Dragons

,

bnuuy

,

cassowary

, Nashville Dreams

catboi (5) |

MonkeyMan576

,

Nero Cain

,

Flavor Leaf

,

Toogeloo

,

Cat Scratch Fever

MonkeyMan576 (2) |

bnuuy

,

The Keeper

Flavor Leaf (2) |

Dunnstral

,

Klick

The Keeper

(1) |

Enchant

Not Voting |

MegAzumarill

,

MalcolmTucker

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to politely ask someone to leave.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-05-09 09:41:00).

Double checking the VC now.

starting to think Meg actually is towny bc i prob scumread them bc they were in a masonry

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dunno i prob have like at most 2-3 town in my scumreads but no more than that IMO

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maybe its at most 1 wolf in klick/dunn bc i would expect wolves to pile onto toog at much as possible to prevent catboi wagon

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there can be 0-3 scum in either the masonry or the monastery

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Hi i won my mu champs game and i can link for side by side meta if anyone wants to see what my wolf game actually looks like

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U have to simultaneously push all 8 scumreads at once or else ir scum

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We could vote for sure scum Dunn but this town is a clusterfuck and the game is a scum paridise

VOTE: Dunn

I'm reading thru spec chat for champs to see how people reacted to my play(its a lot of posts) but yeah.


I am a bit like worn out from the champs game and the excitement of winning that game has like made me want to take a break from playing but also i will note i was pushing hard in this game vs there were points i was dodging that other game so yeah

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https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... hip/page44

here's a link to the completed game for those that care about meta and all

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malefactor thinks nero is scum lol

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Actually, Mastina said that I was town b/c my reads were horrible.

great reading that.

no u misunderstood, they think you are scum ergo they are shielding you

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I feel legitimately sick rn and idk why

scum guilt

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This post really just made me want to vote Klick tbh

yeah the "you only talked about Klick" thing was kind of just... not true, but tbf, you said that Mena was lurksack, which is also not true given he has hundreds of posts

Well Done was really town day 1, and while the slot has fallen off, I think that could also be a function of it just being one head now instead of a hydra

name a significant take that menalque has expressed

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Man I’m so disappointed I didn’t get to roll wolf this game

woofy post

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This post really just made me want to vote Klick tbh

yeah the "you only talked about Klick" thing was kind of just... not true, but tbf, you said that Mena was lurksack, which is also not true given he has hundreds of posts

Well Done was really town day 1, and while the slot has fallen off, I think that could also be a function of it just being one head now instead of a hydra

name a significant take that menalque has expressed

catboi town LOL

my point exactly

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my ydrasse malefactor read in shambles

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also agree w nero

i am i think just burned out from mafia btw i might not have a big presence anymore until numbers are trimmed down or yknow i just get nightkilled

sorry

or uh you're welcome to anyone who hates my hyperposting

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VOTE: Nashville

Seems like this is getting revived

woof woof

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nothing, just been hanging around MU people all day and they use wolf terminology for regular mafia so thats stuck in my head, game 2 of champs just ended and all.

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Could CSF/FL/Dunn ALL be scum?

2/3

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Whats scummy about enchant, Klick?
As long as I am alive, there is 0 chance anyone will miseliminate Enchant btw

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enchant is well within his townrange
Reading him is non intuitive and requires a different way than the usual methods

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yes

and ive already explained it.

dude has an energy tell and has shown a level of solviness that is absent

There is a personality type of tell too.

Literally compare a scum enchant game to any of his towngames including this one


btw last time i played multiball(grand idea) i read enchant right due to this

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yes

and ive already explained it.

dude has an energy tell and has shown a level of solviness that is absent

There is a personality type of tell too.

Literally compare a scum enchant game to any of his towngames including this one


btw last time i played multiball(grand idea) i read enchant right due to this

Interesting theory especially that you was scum in that multiball.

Was a solo 3p who was townsiding to kill scum

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VOTE: Malcom

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I'll come out clean i suggested to FL to shoot outside of mastina bc i was paranoid of maf doc but this confirms that there is no maf doc

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But also possible wolves and FL double tapped mastina causing a kill thru doc protection

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Also i said it in monastery but well played enchant this is the second time you fooled me as scum recently since i figured you out, thought the first time was just setup specific. you have evolved.

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Given mastina's reaction to the wagon on Malcolm. I'd suppose that there's little to no more mafia on Malcolm. CSF Dunn and tictac all have higher mafia possibilities.

Unlikely but Flavor could be maf.

Flavor insisted on shooting mastina even though i gave him an out in shooting outside.

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Since my world view was completely flipped on its head id like to slow down a bit but also looks like scum are doing great in not shooting townies.

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I think my interactions around enchant and also how i casually mentioned that a vig should shoot mastina throughout d1 should clear her + how i reacted to her role claim

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Never ended up suggesting anyone just threw out my paranoia that itd be a repeat of d2 daystart if there was a doc on mastina and we'd be pretty fucked

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FL said they were comitting to mastina which is pretty much clearing here

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Okay I feel I should say that CSF is confirmed not wolf

Weird to check outside the masonry!

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I'm just wondering why tf mafia shot at butterchurn that is a bizarre scum kill

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I think if there is a town roleblocker / town doc, they probably blocked mafia kill/saved mafia kill respectively. I feel like butterchurn is a wolf shot and FL is who shot mastina solo most likely.

2nd likeliest is that mafia shot butter (?) And wolves and FL stacked on Mastina.

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I see a plausible explanation for gamma being able to not be surprised but he needs to answer

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Also on the same thought, Flea/keeper might be caught scum pending scanning their enchant interactions

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Has to do with a previous flea game where fae was town vs scum enchant

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we're actually the 3 remaining wolves and we fooled you all gg

The reason catboi flipped out was cuz we were bussing him for fun lol

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no but seriously FL is basically IC rn afaic

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and the monks can't be wolves?

Encanto being mafia surprised you?

Why weren't you suprised?

There’s a tonal ping that I feel like was there. I haven’t played with enchant too much recently and I’ve only seen him as town once in recent times but he was v different
Although I think in general Enchant’s play was not really that outstanding to where being surprised he was scum makes sense.

Werent u in the color mafia game with the seers?

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and the monks can't be wolves?

brief skim makes me believe that keeper is M/M/M with both enchant and mastinA

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Malefactor is a flexible traitor

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any competent mafia player who actually reads things would look at my interactions with mastina and enchant and see they are obviously not paired but hey

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why i am obviosly not paired with enchant and mastina:
a)i suggested vigging mastina from d1 after the claim. I would not give mastina such a fakeclaim either which actually leads me to b)
b) my discussuon around mastinas role was obviously not that of someone who was informed of it being a fakeclaim
c) i casually tried to start a wagon on enchant for strong reasons on d1 and only stopped when it was pointed out to me that enchant was not exhibiting those tells.
d) the fact i knew FL was a claimed vig from night 1 and if im.scum i am aware of mastinas role and the fact roles could be wacky by that point - my play around that makes no sense of someone informed of it. In fact FL would have been 100% roleblocked n2 and i would not have us use it n1 due to being aware FL would shoot catboi. *this is also why i think monastery is pure*
e) im also just towny asf its just lazy to think im in scum meta for level 1 reasons when if you go to level 2 its blatant im u paired.

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I’ll do an Italiano wagon just to prove a point at this stage, he’ll flip town , then we lim you. Then you get your shot to pick your muses..

I’m one of them btw..

This post is a double scum claim

+1
No townie would ever make that post.

Yep, Scorpius was even before that flaming obvscum from pretty much the moment he repped in.

I'm hoping my efforts don't get yeet. Enchant doesn't effort like this as town in my experience.

are you kidding me.... LOL
enchant effort IS town.

Hm, always seem to notice more effort as scum.

He is absolutely scum here.

Spoiler: Our solve and spoiler on our slot.

-	Red	Yellow	Blue
Muse	Butterflies	ItalianoVD	Implosion
Block	Furtiveglance	Umlaut/Titus?	Enchant

Here is from the graveyard chat where enchant did fool me as a spec -> the fact flea(keeper here) did not express any suspicion towards enchant this game is, frankly, very odd after this game.

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VOTE: enchant
there's a lot of ate flying around, and it's not fun.

LOOK AT MY MANS JUST MAKING BLANK COMMENTS LIKE THIS ABT THE GAMESTATE

consider this my best effort to make sure nobody who does that gets to eat cake, where "cake" is getting the yeet they want.
also it's a decent yeet.

OVERLY VERBOSE WAY TO SAY BASICALLY NOTHING

could also go 4 monkey who has hc coasted since shaking the early wagon.

AND like.. these kinds of reasoning like "coasting" when they themselves have done the very same thing are so scumfucky because its like being uncharitable in a way that is not genuine at all

gameing

u know what can we just kill enchant

i feel like thats the least headache wagon that actually flips scum and is easy to objectively see.


i dont have the wherewithal to fight off rebuttals for things that I may have misattributed as scum behavior that is NAI but my case is overall correct kind of thing and catboi will leave a bread trail to scum him over the course of the game anyways and will never endgame here.

mena or enchant are the 2 most obvious objectively I feel and I hope others can agree on that.

i think titus is scum and mala is town

I mean this is always the case for them. (But for real, see below.)

how come you doubt the VT but didn't doubt when mastina claimed with zero pressure on her

Uh, Beloved Princess is like a Miller or Ascetic--it's a role you

never

leave unclaimed on D1.

Like, what are people going to say if the game gets to day-before-lylo and a player who has survived to that point claims beloved princess? As in, a role that if true would be literally game-losing to eliminate on that day-before-lylo by turning it effectively into lylo?

For the same reason you claim Miller/Ascetic on D1 to avoid a town investigative investigating you and getting a false guilty resulting in you being run up for not claiming, you claim Beloved Princess on D1 to avoid the potential of the town throwing the game. (This is especially true because I've been speedlimmed before with no chance to claim. What happens if I've not claimed on, say, D4, and then I get run up while not expecting it? Very Bad Things, I'd assume.)

Does anyone here think Titus did not in fact roll an scum role this game?

*raises hand*

Norwee, I trust you to be town but with respect, the Titus hydra is town ten times over in every way possible. Titus has hard-townslipped, Titus's posting is town even without the townslip, and Malakittens' posts are as town as town can get.

I find the odds that SoD is VT to be very low, based on the first game role setup.

there were 3 last game what exactly are you referring to

Out of what, 15 or 16 town, that's a pretty low percentage chance.

On that note, I wanna look into the players who have shown familiarity with the last game (including it being fairly low on VTs) and then in spite of having shown that familiarity, displaying suspicion of me.

I'm just going to continue watching the people in the thread for now. I'll add something when I see something worth adding.

This is a slot people think for some reason isn't scum.

Just sayin'.

Alright I got my info
VOTE: enchant
Vote out the most obvious scum -> go from there ty

are people actually townreading enchant or can we take the obvscum elim here pls

Regardless - nashville works but its a 6/10 confidence vs enchant being 9/10 confidence

ITT: players throwing shit at low content lurkers to see if it sticks.

Do u townread enchant then?

can we please just kill enchant

ok idc i want enchant dead and thats the only wagon im considering if not MegA atp

I want a scummy lurker yeeted. Its the optimal play.
D1 info lims are cringe when we have mechs to resolve info.

VOTE: enchant
VOTE: enchant
VOTE: enchant
VOTE: enchant

enchant is obvscum no matter what people easily pocketed by him saying 1 nice thing say

enchant does this lurkfuck no reads no solviness shit as scum all the time this is his scum meta thoroughly.
Vote enchant.
Don't believe me? Just read the damn ISO.

hey malcom, lets lim the lurkscum ok? Why are you against enchant?

k I'm breaking my silence to say that FL is completely misrepresenting both my case and enchant's meta compared to this game.


enchant has subtle tonal tells and activity tells and the way he engages the game


he made solid reads in the game he was in with FL that I was also in -> yes he lurks as both alignments but he lurks in an unsolvy way as scum.


Trying to misrep this meta is probably becoming scum indicative for FL if Enchant flips mafia and not wolf.


Starting to think FL has no morals when it comes to the game and OGId because they are scum throwing anything to win IDFK anymore. I am just tired and don't want to talk when this guy is around because any disagreement = harassment.

Subject: Mini 2240: SCP UPick 2 (Day 8)

i'm a 1-shot redirector. that's it. i sat on it as long as humanly possible because the fewer scum there are, the better my chances of hitting the kill.

last night i redirected enchant to himself. so if enchant is scum and has some role that prevents him from being killed in some way, it's theoretically possible i could have caused the missing kill, but it's not super likely.

Then why i was breached, not you?

for example enchant will actually show interest in things like game mechanics and how they interact with people and engage stuff like that as town here is an example and you can ISO the game I just quoted to see.


And as scum he just straight up meme posts for the most part - although he has broken this tell recently as I have stated but not the other way around.

The last multiball I played with enchant -> which was grandest idea mafia, I correctly meta read him off a game I was cocurrently scum with him at the time due to the differences. I will properly case it later when I have cooled down but I will not allow for misrepresentations of what my actual case is on enchant to slide.

i think its a gross comparison to call me shutting down when i have literally just pushed the enchant read when everyone else just has them null for the most part. and not really shut down much else.

thanks.

No day 1 should be 134 pages.

its a 23p game.

norwegian, you recently were a game mod in enchant's recent town game - what do you think of enchant?

My view hasn't changed. I don't townread them. Nullscum ish.

ok come vote them then

that is literally the range they are in your reads when they are scum.

like holy shit lmao

actually

i take it back enchant is town i reread the iso fully and im dumb asf

sorry fam



VOTE: nashville

koba paired with enchant btw

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actually saw that cass could be paired with enchant reading that ISO which is curious

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ah i have like 50 pages to catch up on, fun!

fully admitting i'm heavily skimming over the 500 pages of flavor leaf/well done back and forth, jfc

Still completely do not understand why FL is so heavily tunnelled on catboi. i feel like there are better candidates.

I think that Flavor Leaf's reaction to getting scumread by Well Done fucking sucks. The progression from scum reading them -> calling them wrong town -> getting tilted at them and calling them liock scum is super sketchy. It doesn't look like a genuine evaluation but scum shifting through different angles trying to get the heat off them. It's a very Prism-esque progression, it just feels very fake. The attacks read more like playing offense to play defense because he's really bothered by the scumread on him. I would think that if he had truly gotten frustrated with Well Done and thought they were town just dumbly tunneled on him, he'd just back off and stop engaging with them, but instead he keeps going and 180s. The only reason I can see for this happening is because he's

really

bothered by their scumread on him and wants to discredit it. There's not even really a possibility he gets yeeted Day 1, he just wants to stamp out all opposition to him.

Mmmm, I kinda wish I could see the case for scum catboi but I really vibe with this post tbh so it's hard for me to feel it. It does kinda feel like FL is trying to kind of control the narrative and if people disagree with him he kind of goes 'well that just means you're scum too!!' which I just can't really abide as a strategy even if it is how he plays as town. Maybe I'm bringing in my own bias here but the way I very lightly pushed him earlier and he posted like 3 posts in response going "you're probably scum with catboi and also the thing I posted wasn't even actually suspicious" really gave me a weird feeling

Catboi entire catchup, and it just happens to come right after I’m away,

Is set up to piggyback off of Well Done.

One of his main things was to pick that Mastina push right after 2180 acting like 2189 wasn’t the exact reason I went that direction.

I think you're too committed to your own personal view of the game and interpreting everything in that light. What if this

is

just a coincidence? It happens.

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Nashville Dreams I could go for a vote on. They aren't actually super-low-post-count but their posts really don't seem to have a lot of substance to them, kinda fluffy/reactive. And their posts

with

reasoning don't really even seem to make sense half the time. I could definitely see this as slacking scum.

VOTE: Nashville Dreams

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Any gambits I take are generally incredibly safe, I just take risks, but always calculated risks.

I'm insanely calculating as scum.

And this is not it.

Mmmmnope. Definitely don't like how informed this feels. I feel like "I wouldn't do this as scum" type arguments rarely come from town

Catboi/Cassowary scum team.

why tho

w/ all due respect you are reading way too much into two unrelated posts that happened to be next to each other like 15 pages prior

I mean for goodness' sake what if catboi is scum but he's just pocketing me, what then

Yes I called out post counts.
Because we have over 90 pages of shit flinging that's done nothing but kick up a stink.
So much so there's a clear divide between 1/3rd of the game and the rest of it.
And still people are wanting shots at the lurkers?

srsly guys please have some understanding for those of us who like to do things on the weekends ;-;

50 pages? really?

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I don't really understand the FL claim (why does he have to be mafia if scum? help) but if people don't want to get rid of him today for reasons I think that's fine. Not sure I really buy him as town, but if the wagon isn't going to gain traction I think there are other places we can look.

Poor newbies underestimating the scum game of a guy whose schtick is that he likes to talk about how good he is as scum

Yeah I'm going to be honest Catboi, these posts do not help at all, and the same goes for Flavor when they're making similar posts. I don't claim to be an expert at this game nor even particularly good at it, but we have no reason to blindly trust you on this, and posts like this feel designed to make players (I presume Butter above) doubt their reads not for inherently being inaccurate or bad but for failing to understand complex meta dynamics only experienced players can get. Essentially going by this logic it's somewhat impossible for a player who hasn't played with Flavor to town read them and only your read (or the reads of others who agree with you) can be accurate.

Yeah, getting this same vibe from both catboi+FL here. I know it's D1, but surely there's stuff within the game we can point to to support reads. Some of the reasoning on display feels inaccessible towards those of us who don't have meta experience with most of you, and it kind of makes me feel mistrustful of the reads that result since it feels a little bit like "oh this person doesn't normally act like this, just trust me" which is weird.

I think a reaction to that might be a reason I feel a bit committed to suspecting FL -- I think a lot of his actual actions here have been sketchy, and "ohh he's always like this though" means nothing to me

TThe main thing the two of us know about each other I feel, is they win scum games.

I mean, what am I supposed to make of something like this, this is completely useless to me as evidence for a case.

You're literally fucking coming into the game and actively jsut pushing all the people I defended right before you came in.

This is all you ever fucking do.

like, maybe it's just not about you? Starting to think FL is just town who interprets everything as being in response to him

Hey, sorry. I have had a crazy busy weekend. I will catch up and give thoughts soon. I should be more active in the game next week.

Oh yeah, this is possible scum too, but i dont care to push the lower activity posters day 1.

Lol

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Post-SCP-replacement: Ok I don't think I want to eliminate FL today. If he is scum I think it'll be easier to read on later days. But I can see him as town now, I don't think scum gets this genuinely tilted over people disagreeing with their reads

The main reason I'm not contributing to the level I'd like to atm is that on any given page I'm reading a bunch of stuff from FL that I don't know how to process, and as a result I feel fairly crowded out of the game

hi, yes

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I feel good on butterchurn, I feel like they're generally picking up on the same things that I would pick up on and their opinions seem reasonable and well-founded. I don't really get the impression they're unengaged with the game at all.

Not a fan of toogeloo's naked votes either.

Keeper + Nashville Dreams feel like active lurking.

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In post 1102, Sword of Ducks wrote:
One game town with the same exact role, two games I played poorly as mafia, and one fantastic role madness game as a serial killer.

Just to be clear, you're claiming you've rolled vanilla townie in this game?

Well this is super fucking scummy. Like hardcore.

????

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Sword of Ducks
MalcolmTucker
butterchurn
Cat Scratch Fever
bnuuy
NorwegianboyEE
Save The Dragons
Wallflower
MonkeyMan576
Well Done
Tracer Bullet
MegAzumarill
Menalque
Klick
mastina
catboi
Flavor Leaf
tictac
Toogeloo
Enchant
The Keeper
Nashville Dreams

enchant does this lurkfuck no reads no solviness shit as scum all the time this is his scum meta thoroughly.
Vote enchant.
Don't believe me? Just read the damn ISO.

but does he do the same thing as town tho

the first game i played on this site had not_mafia in it, who enchant has been compared to, and i advocated to vote him over that kind of thing and it turned out he was just trolling town :/

if this is how enchant acts as scum or town, this doesn't mean he's scum just bc he acts like this as scum - annoying as it might be that does make it nai

no thats completely false

wow.

AFAICT your reasoning is:

a. enchant does this as scum
b. enchant is doing this
c. therefore enchant is scum

But that doesn't hold unless you also show enchant

doesn't

do this as town. It's like saying "dogs have four legs, my cat has four legs, therefore my cat is a dog"

If you have actual evidence this behavior is specific to enchant's scum game, I would love to see it. But based on the evidence put forth so far, it sounds like this behavior is NAI for them, so you'll have to forgive me for not being convinced.

HOLD THE FUCK UP

THIS IS SO OUTTING LMAO

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) i casually tried to start a wagon on enchant for strong reasons on d1 and only stopped when it was pointed out to me that enchant was not exhibiting those tells.

I don't think this means you can't be scum with Enchant. Bus your buddy and then when there's no one was following you, you drop it.

e) im also just towny asf its just lazy to think im in scum meta for level 1 reasons when if you go to level 2 its blatant im u paired.

What's townie about you? You hard pushed Toog day 1 and then when I (maybe others, but I know that I did) accused you of scum you started screaming bloody murder. d2 you hard defended Enchant when Mastina was trying to bus him and when FL was going to shoot scum you wanted him to not shoot Mastina.

You are also prob wrong on ducks.

Your play and reads have not been very good and your lack of self-awareness is just appalling.

VOTE: NERO

Still pushing me here despite evidence being shoved in your face + cass basiclaly outting in their treatment of enchant = scum

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player/replacement ledger

butterchurn
Nashville Dreams (Titus & Malakittens)
Cat Scratch Fever
Save The Dragons
Toogeloo momo
Sword of Ducks
cassowary
Nero Cain Wallflower
SCP 682 Tracer Bullet
The Keeper
Dunnstral Well Done (Dunnstral & Lukewarm)
MegAzumarill
MalcolmTucker
bnuuy
tictac
MonkeyMan576
Klick
Enchant
mastina
RCEnigma catboi
Flavor Leaf
Menalque
Ydrasse NorwegianboyEE

here

Nashville Dreams
Cat Scratch Fever
Save The Dragons
Sword of Ducks
cassowary
Nero Cain
SCP 682
The Keeper
Dunnstral
MegAzumarill
bnuuy
tictac
MonkeyMan576
Klick
Flavor Leaf
Menalque

gone

Toogeloo,

Town Voyeur

, politely asked to leave Day 1.

RCEnigma,

Werewolf 1-shot Bookie

, fled town Night 1.

MalcolmTucker,

Town Hirsute Saint

, politely asked to leave Day 2.

Enchant,

Mafia Goon

, exorcised Day 2.

Ydrasse,

Town 1-shot Parity Cop Mayor

, fled town Twilight 2.

mastina,

Mafia Loathed 2-shot Activated Wolfsbane 1-shot Roleblocker

, fled town Night 2.

butterchurn,

Malefactor 1-shot Watcher

, fled town Night 2.

VOTE: cass that makes it better tho - cass please explain why you responded to me like that when i pushed you to vote enchant when you had enchant in bottom 3

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VOTE: cass that makes it better tho - cass please explain why you responded to me like that when i pushed you to vote enchant when you had enchant in bottom 3

because your reasoning was nonsense and i thought nashville was scummier

and yet - enchant was in your bottom 3. why was he in your bottom 3?

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also why did enchant move up in 6147

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What made you go from scum reading Enchant to town reading him?

what happened was i saw a small sample of his posts and thought it was his scum meta postings

ended up going and reISOing him to find evidence in this game to supplement my case

ended up seeing things I associate with Enchant's town game, similarly to the previous game I linked where i was a spec I was fooled by him. I only believed i was fooled because Ifelt enchant only efforted in that game due to the seer mechanic and wanting to find seers - which is actually false here now since I know he has moreso started to evolve his scumplay.

u should be more curious why cass had enchant in bottom 3 and soft defended enchant when i tried to get their vote on enchant

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votecount 1.20

bnuuy (9) | mastina, Klick, Menalque, SCP 682, Save The Dragons, Ydrasse, cassowary, catboi, butterchurn

Nashville Dreams (2) | Well Done, Cat Scratch Fever
catboi (2) | MonkeyMan576, Wallflower

Cat Scratch Fever (1) | Nashville Dreams
MonkeyMan576 (1) | bnuuy
Save The Dragons (1) | The Keeper
Well Done (1) | Sword of Ducks
Enchant (1) | tictac
mastina (1) | Toogeloo

Not Voting | Enchant, MegAzumarill, MalcolmTucker, Flavor Leaf

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to politely ask someone to leave.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-05-09 09:41:00).

also now with retrospect i think gamma has to be town here and ive been paranoia reading gamma for recent games rather than objectively evaluating him.

(fun fact this is where VCA actually becomes useful)

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I think Nashville is spewed town from both scum factions

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I would not give mastina such a fakeclaim either which

You replaced in after she had already claimed

oh lmao i actually thought i was in the game the whole time ngl

ig tbf pooky would give her such a claim

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or what if? Mastina has her own mind and can do things on her own instead of being told what to do by you or pooky? You just think everyone is below you.

no i think i make very effective scum plans and have proven my skill several times at this!

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apparently csf woke up or something but this page alone flipped my read there

still think mena is blatantly scum despite my blunders so far but im just a terrible player who after being wrong a few times can never be right so w/e

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cass/klick/mena are my most confident scumreads atp im just not in the mood to continually be called scum by a dude who always misreads me when town and is obnoxious towards me and utilizes level 0 analysis methods to read me continously

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nero will prob call me demotivated mafia but idc i helped prevent FL mislim twice in a row and helped us get 2 scum via him. if nero wants to waste his voice pushing me thats fine, scum can sheep him and out themselves

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i have admitted it u just cant read!

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mf got worse skim syndrome than I do

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use ctrl F it might help u out

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u dont care about sorting me u care about having ur initial ego read be right and its annoying as fuck to play with and why i barely posted d2 cuz i didnt want to deal with u

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also mfw i literally just admitted i was probably wrong on csf in light of new evidence but im so hard headed lol

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misreads

me

towards

me

to read

me

not everything is about you.

i was literally expressing how your play towards me makes me feel so uncomfortable i dont want to play and you come at me with this gaslight level bullshit go learn empathy you jerk. I have tried all game to help you find me town and u keep calling me scum without ellaborating just bam has to be scum. All while making false accusations about how im playing bc you decide to stay ignorant.

at least i make an effort to play better to make others comfortable when told i make the other player uncomfortable. Thats all I'll say.

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w/e im gonna just start pushing my most confident scumread first like i shoukd have sincr d2 and not care about self clearing myself by forcing myself to.find non wolf scum.
VOTE: mena

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mena is scum.bc they literally arent engaging the game in a way that town mena would, which is marked by inquisitiveness, interacting with others to actually get reads, and a passion to play. They also had massively suspicious interactions with catboi.

Their play has not improved since d1 and if you want a guaranteed scum elim this is where you'll get one.

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And there's a decent chance he might be scum.

VOTE: SCP

What changed for you to vote me?

also monkeyman is always town here. He is independent af. Same as SoD.

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I think I'm gonna vote Menalque -- I feel pretty strongly CSF isn't mafia due to their interactions w/ mastina, so if CSF is wolf Menalque also has to be lying. Menalque hasn't been contributing a lot lately and their weird behavior around slacking but not wanting to replace out could be scum-motivated. Plus if menalque

does

flip wolf it would definitely help move my opinion on CSF.

VOTE: Menalque

I agree with this except the replace out bit for reasons of "dont use that as a reason".

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im still p sure cass is mafia fwiw and mena is wolf both based on interactions with flipped scum + for mena he is so deep in his scumrange not sure we can find a way out for him.

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If mena actually shows the traits I know are present in town menas play i might be swayed but as is, the menalque i saw in the recently completed KTANE mafia is night and day to the menalque here.

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And catboi and menalque soft defended eachother as well as pooky who i think is better than me at town on MS, understanding meta much better than I do, pinned both catboi and mena

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ok thats actually a good point and makes dunn a better flip than mena atp

mafia : if you want to put wolves down to 2 tonight you got a free scum in mena
VOTE: SoD

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Differences in play aren't always alignment indicative sometimes people are just moody or purposefully play differently to shield their alignment tells.

well mena is free to explain that - but until then the default is when a woofer woofs like a woof then they are probably just a wood.

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also if im mafia id have shot mena over butterchurn lmao

Removing wolves is top priority due to opposite scum teams introducing variance and scum me hates variancd

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nero read the last 2 pages and tell me if thats a reasonable question to ask me considering my pivot

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tired of tunnel brain questions

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The gamestate is pretty abysmal right now to play.

not for town

Ur not the only townie

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i also think meg is likely the only town in the masonry and it could be something like mena/klick/tictac for remaining wolves

meg if you could could you give us a summary of mason chat, feel free to redact mech claims if any exist, just give us an inside look

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cass/SoD
Klick/tictac/mena

hmm

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I lowkey just think scum is

Sword of Ducks
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MegAzumarill
Klick

I think I've convinced myself that ducks is scum. I sorta think mena is town but I guess I could be wrong there. Maybe I'm wrong somewhere and Cass is a wolf.

koba so scummy i agree

could never be town (who needs to read anyways lol)

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nero why am i scum, again?

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i bet u nero's real reason is that he thinks there actually has to be a scum in the monastery but hes too embarassed to say such a bad take

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nero why am i scum, again?

b/c you keep asking me. The conversation never evolves beyond that and I think it's scummy.

nah its bc u dont care about sorting me and are probably grudge FOSing me

be a real player and engage me in conversation instead of throwing this weaksauce reasoning.

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the conversation doesnt go anywhere because of you - are you admiting you're scum here? or are you just lying out your ass to push me?

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i know youre better than this nonsense you just like to inject your emotions into some of your scumreads and then end up having lolreads that are bad because someone annoyed you.

i'm literally voting SoD with you

mena is the counterwagon


you think mena is town prob bc you preflipped me not bc mena is actually towny - tho if mena flips wolf now that youve stated this i might look closer at you for potential of being a wolf yourself(and thus like why you might feel threatened by a role that is explicitly not a wolf) but thats a tinfoil for later and not now.

its almost certainly both cass + SoD for mafia, and now we're in this world where you think i'm bussing the 2nd to last mafia member as a claimed monastery member that is a high priority target for wolves so ? lol

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u should prob sanity check your reads sometime to recognize when they are reaching absurdity levels that dont match gamestate (:

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if you think I could be a wolf b/c I think mena could be town why is it so unfair for me to think you are mafia for defending enchant and trying to get FL to not shoot Mastina?

Except I egged on a potential vig i was unaware of on D1 to shoot mastina - and only had asked FL to consider shooting outside out of potential fear of a maf doc that could fuck him over. I was concerned of a gamestate where FL was going to be pressured again when I townread him. And my behavior shows that d2. AND I WAS THE ONE WHO SUGGESTED HE SHOULD SHOOT MASTINA IN THE FIRST PLACE ON D2.

And I already explained how I had ended up misreading enchant and if you had BOTHERED to ACTUALLY read how I treated enchant d1 you would see its blatantly not parntered behavior but maybe u are just too good of a player for that huh.

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Like I said.. your read has holes that are easily fixed by actually asking questions or reading the game... choose one.

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Look - we will have FL shoot mastina tonight

That is how we will prove it.

OK?

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nice try trying to paint a scum vig as possible btw
but no, this is supposed to be a normal game with normal balancing with some adjustments

scum vig is one of the most egregiously non normal things possible

also with all the funky roles that flipped on both sides of the aisle -> this is a townslip.

i'll just take it as you calling me the best scum player here if you want to say it isn't.

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your read has holes

What holes?

I am unaligned with enchant and mastina in a way that is absurd to think was distancing - despite points at which I technically defended both. Although mastina was me defending FL from a potential situation where he is completely fucked and has to deal with people confbiasing him too.


And I am unable to be a wolf.


really simple.

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oh btw
i think like mastina is likely town because as scum you would just willingly sac yourself as that role and thats an extremely specific role to fakeclaim if mastina were breaking their realclaim meta and i think mastina is smart enough to use their role in a way that benefits scum more.

otoh it could be a malefactor signaling to scum not to nightkill her and such


i dont think there are vigs in the game based on a comment in the OP about "wanting to focus on dayplay" as a reason for the 2 nightkills every 3 nights thing btw

so basically mastina is exactly eitther malefactor who's elimination is meant to benefit the scum teams with her role(makes sense balance wise) or town

and honestly after writing that all up it makes much more sense for the former - that she is trying to play malefactor. I think people who push her for elimination from this point forward are more suspicious than not.

we may need to policy her on day 3 if things are going badly but at that point thats a scum decision to make and theyll prob want the extra shots at that point.

toog/nero/mega/mena/klick <- top tier of scumreads

catboi/nashville/tictac/csf <- lower tier of scumreads

lower tier is in order of strongest to weakest

also mastina is my solve for malefactor at this point for partially mechanical reasons and how theyve played the day so far. town vig should always shoot there n1 regardless because of the risk of a malefactor BP.

town vig, if it exists, should absolutely shoot mastina here if possible.

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What happens if a beloved princess gets shot?

They die without triggering their ability.

I think that if flavor leaf were town they would have shot mastina.

i will be making them shoot mastina tonight - if that slot gets saved it is confirmed scum have a doctor

i think i need more people to check in bc that will prob help round out my reads

malcom butter mastina all have not posted since day start and they are low in my reads

oh btw if it isnt clear, mastina is my binned "malefactor" which is going to be true until I announce otherwise.

nothing keeps you fro, bussing meg but sure

last post is a bonus pic in light of MegA being 100% confirmed unaligned with me mechanically.

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When reposting your own posts is a thing...

helping nero stop tunneling me so he can realize that menalque is a wolf and that MegA is prob town in the masonry.

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goodluck getting people that arent scum to vote me when there is extensive proof of my lack of alignment with enchant and mastina.

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now I have you here, would you mind answering the previous question about why you would expect catboi/me to be trying to kill each other?

Cuz you should be scumreading each other but you're doing this weird ass distancing/townreading schtick and it looks fake af.

your townread of catboi makes absolutely no sense to me

and he should've jumped you for it

but he didn't

so probly scum together

one thing is that I think there's a decent chance if we go through wolf PoE and we still havent got them all after a mena-wolf flip that nero slot may be worth looking into based on what I'm rereading of the slot's interactions with Catboi/Mena

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I'm not interested in any wagons outside of Mena/Cass/SoD atp

I'm going to dig deeper and look at catboi interactions with Wallflower/Nero again in light of these flips.

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Yeah but you keep saying it... and honestly I don't remember seeing much of why myself and I think at this point it's just kinda becoming a given you jsut SR scp just because you always have.

naw, I've explained my reasoning at least 2 or 3 times. Koba is just trying to willingly antagonize me and not move the conversation forward.

nope you have not actually explained it in any depth and now I'm getting massively suspicious at your FoS on me being completely fake while the ones against players that I myself do not wolf read being legitimate.

You are intentionally ignoring and not responding to evidence placed before your face in order to have refuge in audacity. No more. I have presented enough proof that you have refused to respond to that I am now going to go in deeper.

If you are indeed wolf - this is the point you massively fucked up by poking me one too many times.

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scp's pushback on me is exactly how I'd expect scum to react.

Based on what games?

Please link an example (:

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Malefactor is uninformed bud. Nice try.

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VOTE: Menalque

Yeah you lost my SoD vote. We are getting your buddy Mena today.

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ayo nero shot butter as wolf thinking he was mafia


it makes sense hahahhaa


and in the original run of this theme the malefactor was uninformed...

and if they were informed it would be OP and make them a kingmaker in some cases.

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who else shoots butter here?


i wonder..

not the person most convinced of the slot being mafia huh

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klick/nero/mena/catboi

mastina/enchant/cass/SoD

butterchurn


for post game cred

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I think also thinking back, and I thought this at the time too - it was a bit uncharacteristic for catboi to be so aggressive towards wallflower ... but not FL?

That was exactly how he reacted to someone near that time in KTANE mafia where he was a conditional IC and thought a townie was throwing against him there and got really angry with them.

So as scum - he would think that wallflower was throwing against him if... they were his partner which would moreso explain the reaction there.


That reasoning isn't really something I'd take to the bank but it was something that has consistantly kept the wallflower slot wolf viability alive in my head.

Still reading through, mena/catboi pretty blatantly partnered based on how they treat eachother tho and unnaturally townread eachother.

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I'm still eagerly awaiting your explaination on how I am scum with mastina after repeatedly asking a town vig to shoot her at night that I was not aware of who they were at the time.

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Or how I am scum with enchant after trying very hard to start a wagon unprompted and unnecessarily on him and only backed down after reading his posts myself.

I must really suck at being scum huh. But I'm also good enough to fake a townslip about the types of roles in the setups amirite.

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I think nero is very capable of critical thought when they are town and they are intentionally showing 0 critical thinking when talking about myself. In fact - when you look at how they explained their SoD scumread, you see that they are showing intelligent thoughts and thinking about it genuinely, but when pushing me it basically is akin to a monkey on a typewriter flinging poo.

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Didn't you come in d2 and say that tried to convince FL to shoot outside of Mastina? I can't convince scum that they are scum.

No. I said that NIGHT 2.

Night 1 I did not actually believe FL was a real vig until the next day and I saw catboi dead.

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I still think they’re scum together if anything. Klick awkwardly keeps mentioning catboi as possible scum but never commits when the going gets tough. Catboi made a big show out of how their early posting was trying to work out Klick’s alignment from Klick’s suspicion of catboi but there was never any real outcome or action from that.

Your theory is that I told my partner to start a wagon on me at the beginning of the game?

I don’t understand why this is unusual.

further contributes to my klick/mena/catboi/wallflower theory in that wallflower is TMIing their whole team and thats why catboi ended up exploding on them

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I think that SCP entered and quickly figured out that they could get townread by Flavor Leaf if they agreed with him on catboi and agreed to scumhunt together. That's why the reasoning for catboi being scum keeps changing, because the reasoning doesn't matter. The reasoning is added after the fact to justify the read.

also if you wanna pretend butterchurn was informed... I daresay.

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Didn't you come in d2 and say that tried to convince FL to shoot outside of Mastina? I can't convince scum that they are scum.

No. I said that NIGHT 2.

Night 1 I did not actually believe FL was a real vig until the next day and I saw catboi dead.

So your argument is that you told a vig to shoot mastina and then tried to convince the vig to not shoot mastina under the guise that you were worried that he's be blocked/she's be protected. So not scummy.

How does that make it the scenario where it is me as scum and not me as town then?

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Or how I am scum with enchant after trying very hard to start a wagon unprompted and unnecessarily on him and only backed down after reading his posts myself.

scum can easily push their buddy to distance and then back down.

But I'm also good enough to fake a townslip about the types of roles in the setups amirite.

someone arguing that they townslipped, not something scum would ever say.

awe cute you're getting desperate to keep me as a scumread.

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it's probably a sign this is a TvT

I think the push back is scummy as fuck

said no townie ever

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no competent town player says that someone who is pushing back on a scumread on them is scummy. that is just absurd and noob behavior because it is normal to push back against incorrect reads on you as town. it is at worst NAI because yes you also care about being scumread when scum.

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oh boy now that I have nero as scum I feel more confident posting in here lmfao

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we start with the dangerous one first

wooooooo-wwwwwwwwwwww, rude

btw this is what actually looks like scum "pushing back" against a scumread looks like if you need a refresher. but you knew that.. because you share a scum PT (:

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scum push back all the fucking time lol

no townie uses that as reasoning though - thats scumfuck weaksauce reasoning that is used to make it seem like the other party is being unreasonable in reacting.

gl tho

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i'm killing mena today.. you can have fun nightkilling me and finding out im actually town

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nero's absurd townread on mena is quite frankly, outting for him because i know town him at least has the skill to catch easily partnered with catboi scum mena here and the fact he is refusing to reach that conclusion means he is scum with them and it is inconvenient to do that and kill them.