LOST (Game Over)

[MathBlade]

Like if y’all elim Roden it’s not the end of the world as we likely get a conf town tomorrow but I’d rather not elim what is probably a true claim.

I don’t think I want to vote Math anymore.

…this isn’t a good take. MB openly stated they would prefer optimal outcomes. Instead of considering how to make this an optimal outcome they made this post which is anti-town.
The absolute worst outcome for town is killing Rosen before their partner claims.

I had already stated how to make it an optimal outcome.

At some point screaming the same thing is silly and it looks like y’all came around to it when I shut up.

[MathBlade]

4. If their partner gets shot first they can claim that their partner got shot. So we know who the partner is.

Because that could let a fake!claiming Roden go through?

Literally any town player dies.
No flip.
Roden says that was their partner.

We have no way to verify?

We do by their crumbs.

It’s not enough to say so.

Eg I crumbed C&G with inner voice because I was speaking for them.

I would expect similar crumbs from before the claim.

[MathBlade]

I don't know if Pooky has been updating my reads, but Ceph is now my only scumread.

Roden and Nancy have both brought up independent reasons to scumread Ceph.

I think Mathblade v Bell looks TvT.

Bell is a null read for C&G and a scumlean for me. Puppets is much better elim.

I am correcting a mistake/lie. This isn’t a push.

[MathBlade]

Mathblade are you willing to vote Ceph for your VCA info or whatever?

I don’t think Ceph is scum. I would need someone to talk with me about why he is. I think you’re a much better vote to figure out what happened at day open.

[MathBlade]

To be fair the last puppets read for C&G was town but I am asking them about it. I haven’t had a chance to go through their numbers though so this is distinctly from the hood chat

[MathBlade]

You corrected me in that you said what would be the appropriate play and then said it wouldn’t be the end of the world if Roden flipped town and their Mason partner was confirmed the next day. Which is still a bad take.

It’s not though?

I want two masons alive. That’s the best. People came around to that.
But one confirmed town is still good. It’s not best but acceptable.

[MathBlade]

Mathblade are you willing to vote Ceph for your VCA info or whatever?

I don’t think Ceph is scum. I would need someone to talk with me about why he is. I think you’re a much better vote to figure out what happened at day open.

Are you sure that on some level you aren't reacting emotionally to having a 0% success rate on determining my alignment?

I am pretty poor at hunting everyone so I fail to see your point here?

[MathBlade]

You corrected me in that you said what would be the appropriate play and then said it wouldn’t be the end of the world if Roden flipped town and their Mason partner was confirmed the next day. Which is still a bad take.

It’s not though?

I want two masons alive. That’s the best. People came around to that.
But one confirmed town is still good. It’s not best but acceptable.

Name a worse outcome D2 then the one you listed as not being the end of the world.

Flash wagoning a cop
Investigatives/protectives slipping
Elimming someone before they claim a result and get flip hidden
Elimming someone that fucks with the gamestate

A mason is pretty low on importance in a game this size.

[MathBlade]

There’s probably more worse outcomes but that’s at the top of my head

[MathBlade]

I miss stated what I was asking. My fault.
I meant within the confines of the current claims.
Going from D1 to D2. It’s simply not a good outcome to miselim a mason.
That was my point. While it’s not the end of the world. It’s also not an acceptable outcome given how easily such a situation could be resolved.

But it kind of is? Like Mason’s utility goes down as player size goes up.

If scum want to expend their capital elimming a mason then that’s acceptable considering how low utility it is.

It’s literally not as bad as you’re making it.

So hence if people disagree and elim Roden it has to have scum backing which proves my active scum theory.

[MathBlade]

Mathblade are you willing to vote Ceph for your VCA info or whatever?

I don’t think Ceph is scum. I would need someone to talk with me about why he is. I think you’re a much better vote to figure out what happened at day open.

Are you sure that on some level you aren't reacting emotionally to having a 0% success rate on determining my alignment?

I am pretty poor at hunting everyone so I fail to see your point here?

I think there is something quirky about the way you read the game which causes you to be <random in the initial stages of the game, and then become rapidly >random as the game progresses, and the consequence is that other players are sometimes less willing to listen because of the bad early reads.

Rather than be resigned to it I think you can try to overcome it. One way you can try to overcome the early game weakness is by trusting others. For example, it's blatantly clear to me that Ceph is attempting to pocket you now by telling you what (he thinks) you want to hear.

That’s what I was doing then I got ran up for not hyperposting.

[MathBlade]

generally you want to do the exact opposite of whatever town!Math advocates.

it's true that math is wrong sometimes but we can evaluate his points on a case by case basis rather than writing him off entirely

I know he’s wrong on us if you even care about that and I still don’t see why Johnny’s scum? So tldr, your d1 kill list sucks.

you can disagree with someone without saying their opinions suck

im certainly not about to spend the game ignoring mathblade even if he does turn out to have had a single incorrect read on you

I said specifically that I think your d1 kill list sucks. I’m not saying that but he did tr two scums in PYP. It’s true he sometimes does have good reads like in the mini normal. All I know is his read on us is wrong.

Correction 3. I TR’d wallflower too

If you’re going to mention a game at least be honest about it

[MathBlade]

I miss stated what I was asking. My fault.
I meant within the confines of the current claims.
Going from D1 to D2. It’s simply not a good outcome to miselim a mason.
That was my point. While it’s not the end of the world. It’s also not an acceptable outcome given how easily such a situation could be resolved.

But it kind of is? Like Mason’s utility goes down as player size goes up.

If scum want to expend their capital elimming a mason then that’s acceptable considering how low utility it is.

It’s literally not as bad as you’re making it.

So hence if people disagree and elim Roden it has to have scum backing which proves my active scum theory.

Hypothesis. Not theory.
One data point, not a proof.

One data point.
Another point I was ran up and Corwin wasn’t.
Another point people aren’t consolidating and I wouldn’t be surprised if this sets a record for size.
I am no where near the biggest poster in the game.

There’s a lot of them. I should say prove to me.

[MathBlade]

generally you want to do the exact opposite of whatever town!Math advocates.

it's true that math is wrong sometimes but we can evaluate his points on a case by case basis rather than writing him off entirely

I know he’s wrong on us if you even care about that and I still don’t see why Johnny’s scum? So tldr, your d1 kill list sucks.

you can disagree with someone without saying their opinions suck

im certainly not about to spend the game ignoring mathblade even if he does turn out to have had a single incorrect read on you

I said specifically that I think your d1 kill list sucks. I’m not saying that but he did tr two scums in PYP. It’s true he sometimes does have good reads like in the mini normal. All I know is his read on us is wrong.

Correction 3. I TR’d wallflower too

If you’re going to mention a game at least be honest about it

And she was also scum. so what’s your point?

If you’re going to cite games, cite them correctly.

Slow down and make a factually correct point

[MathBlade]

Mathblade are you willing to vote Ceph for your VCA info or whatever?

I don’t think Ceph is scum. I would need someone to talk with me about why he is. I think you’re a much better vote to figure out what happened at day open.

Are you sure that on some level you aren't reacting emotionally to having a 0% success rate on determining my alignment?

I am pretty poor at hunting everyone so I fail to see your point here?

I think there is something quirky about the way you read the game which causes you to be <random in the initial stages of the game, and then become rapidly >random as the game progresses, and the consequence is that other players are sometimes less willing to listen because of the bad early reads.

Rather than be resigned to it I think you can try to overcome it. One way you can try to overcome the early game weakness is by trusting others. For example, it's blatantly clear to me that Ceph is attempting to pocket you now by telling you what (he thinks) you want to hear.

That’s what I was doing then I got ran up for not hyperposting.

Well keep trying IMO. It's not unusual to experience setbacks when you do the right thing, especially if it's a change from the usual.

So hence if people disagree and elim Roden it has to have scum backing which proves my active scum theory.

What is the active scum hypothesis?

That scum are among the active players.

Generally town left to its own devices find each other eventually or have a wagon by now. 2 non RVS wagons (me and Roden) in 150-200 pages is not a sign of healthy town.

[MathBlade]

generally you want to do the exact opposite of whatever town!Math advocates.

it's true that math is wrong sometimes but we can evaluate his points on a case by case basis rather than writing him off entirely

I know he’s wrong on us if you even care about that and I still don’t see why Johnny’s scum? So tldr, your d1 kill list sucks.

you can disagree with someone without saying their opinions suck

im certainly not about to spend the game ignoring mathblade even if he does turn out to have had a single incorrect read on you

I said specifically that I think your d1 kill list sucks. I’m not saying that but he did tr two scums in PYP. It’s true he sometimes does have good reads like in the mini normal. All I know is his read on us is wrong.

Correction 3. I TR’d wallflower too

If you’re going to mention a game at least be honest about it

And she was also scum. so what’s your point?

If you’re going to cite games, cite them correctly.

Slow down and make a factually correct point

You tr HEM, Enchant and Wallflower correct? The reason I left her out was that you were eventually correctly sr her, so what did I say that was “factually incorrect”?

You’re making me look better than I was like a backhanded compliment.

I don’t remember scumreading Wallflower while alive. Maybe I did but I am pretty sure she was a scumread

[MathBlade]

Spoiler:

Mathblade are you willing to vote Ceph for your VCA info or whatever?

I don’t think Ceph is scum. I would need someone to talk with me about why he is. I think you’re a much better vote to figure out what happened at day open.

Are you sure that on some level you aren't reacting emotionally to having a 0% success rate on determining my alignment?

I am pretty poor at hunting everyone so I fail to see your point here?

I think there is something quirky about the way you read the game which causes you to be <random in the initial stages of the game, and then become rapidly >random as the game progresses, and the consequence is that other players are sometimes less willing to listen because of the bad early reads.

Rather than be resigned to it I think you can try to overcome it. One way you can try to overcome the early game weakness is by trusting others. For example, it's blatantly clear to me that Ceph is attempting to pocket you now by telling you what (he thinks) you want to hear.

That’s what I was doing then I got ran up for not hyperposting.

Well keep trying IMO. It's not unusual to experience setbacks when you do the right thing, especially if it's a change from the usual.

So hence if people disagree and elim Roden it has to have scum backing which proves my active scum theory.

What is the active scum hypothesis?

That scum are among the active players.

Generally town left to its own devices find each other eventually or have a wagon by now. 2 non RVS wagons (me and Roden) in 150-200 pages is not a sign of healthy town.

@Math

How many scum do you believe we can expect are in the active posters? I think there is at least one.

Depends on which elim unfortunately. I’d guess 2 at least. One in US timezones and one not at minimum.

[MathBlade]

@Nancy: your point? (Site cuts off at 10 quotes)

[MathBlade]

Also wtf is an 'active poster '? Basically a third of the game have 100-200 posts but there are a bunch wildly above that and a good cluster below .

Someone in the wildly above side influencing the game.

It’s unfortunately subjective.

[MathBlade]

Also wtf is an 'active poster '? Basically a third of the game have 100-200 posts but there are a bunch wildly above that and a good cluster below .

Someone in the wildly above side influencing the game.

It’s unfortunately subjective.

Does Ceph + Johnny count?

Cephrir maybe?

Johnny isn’t memorable (sorry!) so Johnny no

I tend to rush too early to a particular person so I am testing theories

I was testing Undertale where everyone was town but one (yes I know that requires OP lying) but that one didn’t pan out talking with C&G so *shrug*

[MathBlade]

because i think he is likely to be scum

So you like his takes but still sr him? I don’t follow?

i didn't say i liked his takes, this is all stemming from your assertion that we should do the opposite of whatever town math advocates as an attempt to discredit his suspicion of you

i happen to agree with his opinion about your alignment but that has nothing to do with any reasons he has given for it, and i am not pairing the two of you anyway so that does not bother me

He is literally the only one who didn’t have a completely bs reason for sr us, so I think you might actually be scum for this and are attempting to chain miselims.

i don't particularly care whether you think i'm scum for suspecting you (yes, this is a discredit, no need to point it out)

No because you’re going on and on about how you value Math’s posting, reject the only reason anyone has mentioned that isn’t batshit insane for sr us but are still voting Math.

It reads to me that you are chaining miselims with that.

Please don’t use the I word

[MathBlade]

But I’ll throw this in the ring as well. I recall someone’s argument for Roden!scum as the lack of slots coming to his defense. Specifically NO ONE coming to their defense. That’s just a sentence or two, do with that what you will.

There have been many people coming to his defense. Myself is one. Bell and Luke are others. I think there were a few more.

[MathBlade]

i've literally never seen a mafia get masons to claim on d1

I replaced into a game where me and my mason partner were wagoned.

[MathBlade]

pooktavius are you capable of corralling this unruly town into a vote that makes sense

im kind of concerned by the lack of anything you are doing

?

I tried to kill mathblade just yesterday

he said he needed time to reread and catch up or w./e

im giving him that time to do it

i still want to yeet him

I wish this wasn’t 4000 miles a minute

I had to spend my lunch break staying afloat not reading back

[MathBlade]

is there anyone other than mathblade that u want dead at this point?

I dislike compromising because compromises tend to land on townies that I'm misreading as wolves.

If people have a really strong case against someone I will read it.

This is generally my mindset and more often that not when *that* sure the wiki to good mafia says you’re wrong.
I know you’re wrong and I have demolished every reason you put up.

It’s pointless to argue with you more. Either you will or won’t.

UNVOTE:

I still scumread Dancing Puppets but I am talking with C&G.

[MathBlade]

So Roden. Did you have a super special crumb that Dwlee could have referenced after you died, like multiple players have suggested; or was there nothing like that?

Because if there was nothing like that then your partner claiming here was absolutely necessary. I would not have personally believed Dwlee if they had claimed after you had died.

There was going to be one until y'all screamed for my head and demanded my buddy claim

Why do you assume I die though

I think it’s just loud noise.

Masons in a game this size are unlikely to be shot imho as explained before.

I think it’s much more likely that people want to find something and be the “hero” versus talking with each other.

[MathBlade]

Let’s talk reads a second. What has your hood been up to?

If we take it on face value that you’re the masons (I don’t expect two scum to tie themselves to a masonry lie I am phrasing this for the doubters), what has your hood been like? What’s the discussion back and forth?

[MathBlade]

Discussion was:
Me: I want to be Rose instead of Bernard
Roden: okay
Roden: let's make a complicated crumb <plan here>
Me: wow cool crumb let's do it
Me: wow game move fast
Roden: true but you're townie you're fine
Me: oh you had to claim should I claim now
Roden: some kind of response
Me: okay I'll claim cause everyone says I have to even though I don't want to

Is it antitown to share that plan? To demonstrate you had it?

[MathBlade]

Discussion was:
Me: I want to be Rose instead of Bernard
Roden: okay
Roden: let's make a complicated crumb <plan here>
Me: wow cool crumb let's do it
Me: wow game move fast
Roden: true but you're townie you're fine
Me: oh you had to claim should I claim now
Roden: some kind of response
Me: okay I'll claim cause everyone says I have to even though I don't want to

Is it antitown to share that plan? To demonstrate you had it?

im curious as to why this is important to you, i can't see how it matters but perhaps you have a reason

It’s more that to me it seems there’s still a lot about Roden and Dwlee. So even though they didn’t crumb if evidence of that plan exists then that can serve as the missing crumb.

[MathBlade]

oh are we still pretending they could both be scum

i dont think anyone thinks that

It seems that’s still the case so I am trying to demonstrate that Roden+Dwlee is unlikely

[MathBlade]

Discussion was:
Me: I want to be Rose instead of Bernard
Roden: okay
Roden: let's make a complicated crumb <plan here>
Me: wow cool crumb let's do it
Me: wow game move fast
Roden: true but you're townie you're fine
Me: oh you had to claim should I claim now
Roden: some kind of response
Me: okay I'll claim cause everyone says I have to even though I don't want to

Is it antitown to share that plan? To demonstrate you had it?

I suggested referencing the episode SOS in our 44th posts since it was the was the 44th episode. I ended up claiming on post 43 though lol.

I am guessing this has some significance?

[MathBlade]

I am more trying to get people to start talking with each other from a common understanding and from said understanding work outward to a read.

We have too many people trying to slam their specific read.

It’s way too much infighting

You’re doing it with me despite saying you’d give me a day and are doing nothing useful
Bell and Dunn are doing it to an extent

Let’s start from a common framework of what we know and talk with each other.

We know it’s likely Roden and Dunn are masons.
We know Cephrir was wagoned early.

We can use the facts of today to paint a picture versus “gimme gimme”

[MathBlade]

oh are we still pretending they could both be scum

i dont think anyone thinks that

It seems that’s still the case so I am trying to demonstrate that Roden+Dwlee is unlikely

Is it the case?
Who thinks that?

The players who haven’t unvoted Roden yet. There’s a big discussion between Bell and Dunn that seemed like that.

[MathBlade]

Maybe I'll just read Math's ISO

Nevermind he already has over 200 posts...

90% (hyperbole) is either trying to get town to talk with each other or having to defend myself from illogical bullshit

If I try to start conversation people say I am scum and vicious cycle.

What is your and Dwlee’s PoE?

[MathBlade]

Neither of us have even read a quarter of the game math lmao

I’ve maybe done a quarter before I replaced in if that.

I feel pretty drowned.

[MathBlade]

You said they were lying when they weren’t.
They’re town. You made an assumption they didn’t crumb. You thought that it was an actual claim that scum would choose to make.

Are you saying that I was wrong or that it makes me mafia?

And to be clear, I don't believe that I was wrong with what I had to work with, nor do I believe that making Dwlee claim was the wrong move.

Why did you even push the damn Mason in the first place?
I stayed on Math, you know, a beneficial info execution that helps us.
If your telling me that mason push helps us in any way, claim wolf.

Except let’s go with your faulty premise I am scum.

I am never a good info elim.

If you believe I am scum you elim me because you think that.

When I am scum (not here) I am an excellent strategist and make moves accordingly. An info elim is never something I am.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Klick

Can someone explain Klick TRs?

I am talking with C&G and we agree on Klick being possible scum.

[MathBlade]

If Math is scum Pooky is bussing lol

No.


Dude I’m gonna be real for a second with you.
Go back I think 40 or so pages or ISO Frog.


Frog called Math Town and voted Math because “Math wants it” his words not mine. When Math didn’t.

His motivation for the vote was bad.
Meanwhile Pooky has had a Townie mindset in regards to the Math push this entire time.

There’s no mindset.

It’s repeatedly spamming I am scum repeatedly anytime he can.

Pooky should be spelled “Broken Record”

[MathBlade]

Call with my mom. I may or may not be back later.

Hopefully we can start conversations maybe while I do IRL?

[MathBlade]

someone other than mathblade explain to me how this mathblade response makes any sense

Because I already explained it.

Dude had IRL and was playing for two people.

[MathBlade]

someone other than mathblade explain to me how this mathblade response makes any sense

completely demolishes your point with facts and logic (/s it's an excuse that doesn't hold up under the slightest scrutiny)

It’s the truth and does.

I really gotta go

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Klick

Can someone explain Klick TRs?

I am talking with C&G and we agree on Klick being possible scum.

Why all of a sudden?

Because we need to have collaborative discussion.

C&G and I were talking reads and this is one we agree on.

[MathBlade]

DP has accidentally drawn my attention to the following

I've hardcore skimmed the last however many pages and read MathBlade's ISO, and he just looks lost to me. Can you explain what were DNA's reads, and what are yours - I remember Bell and ...? Summarize the hood discussion for us plz, that might help me see why you're townreading DNA. Also how caught up are you

Is Klick still town? What's the VC? I don't know anything anymore

I already established that I only share reads with consent.

I don’t just announce things without permission especially while one head is catching up.

G head thinks that Bell is back null because their acting better but votes are weird.

Frog is erratic (their word)

Klick is null

I don’t know which reads I can and can’t share because they didn’t want certain reads shared

why did you expect the masons to share their reads & summarize their discussion if you don't agree that doing so is good play?

& P.S. did you ever try to secure their permission to summarize your discussion?

I think sharing things is good play.

I also believe in affirmative consent.

They said not to share some reads. So I abide by that.

I expect them to share what and if they’re capable of sharing when they do so when they consent to.

[MathBlade]

Just going to throw this out there, hydras are > than rand more likely to either targeted or NK’d early. So why do you think OtH is likely to be scum? What about their posting do you sr? @Cephir

hydras are more likely to be targeted probably yes. so?

Wdym by this Cephrir?

~GE

? seems pretty straightforward to me but

they suggested that hydras should not be suspected because they are likely nightkills

i agreed that they are likely nightkills and also said that i don't think that matters vis a vis whether we should suspect them. if i may editorialize, it's another example in a pattern of DP indirectly arguing they should be above suspicion

I am seriously getting fed up with this horseshit. Between you and BB, there’s a merger cult with Qanon and Scientology recruiting new leaders.

Whoa this crosses a line. Take a step back.

[MathBlade]

mathblade can't share C+G's reads until C+G gives him consent

G has and C hasn’t yet. That’s why we’re chatting

[MathBlade]

But I asked for the hood reads last night, have they just not logged in, or do they not want to share >_< Sorry I'm super behind and catching up in two directions are once

They’ve been catching up.

You all are asking a lot of questions all at the same time

The duo has been in continual catch up mode and for once we are in at the same time.

I would like to at least post some of what they’re saying so we can talk but you keep screaming I am scum on unrelated things means I can’t.

[MathBlade]

Math, why is Klick scum?

And by that I mean, why are they being secretive with their reads.

Klick is in my PoE and a scumread of G.

G wants to work with Bell because they TR Bell and I don’t

So I voted Klick to get discussions going.

And sometimes people are. They asked me not to share and sometimes people keep secret reads as town. I abide by that and if you elim me so be it but I would rather provide an accurate representation of C and G best I can

And yes C is playing but they are quieter than G

[MathBlade]

I feel like this day should end.

I agree.

But to do that we have to talk and discuss and get 14 people to agree on an elim somewhere

[MathBlade]

The above post really confuses me

Nancy thinks that someone being suspicious of her slot is equvelant to someone believing in QAnon Conspiracy theories, which is something that I think is pretty offensive ngl.

Math thinks calling someone’s takes batshit insane is also offensive, so I’m down for inoffensive alternatives to make that same point?

"This doesn't make any sense"
Or, if you want to imply scum intent
"I don't think they actually believe this"

Or maybe “This is so ridiculous it would be easier to sell a bridge to cross a river in a desert”

[MathBlade]

G’s been having trouble with getting scumreads so I was talking with them. Give me a bit to paraphrase their TRs.

[MathBlade]

Us -> Because mod said so
You -> Because I seem solvey and a town mindset
Roden/Dwlee > Because claim
DP -> because Nancy's use of meta and self-defensiveness (which I associate with town!Nancy)
Dunn -> because Seemed to be solving
Luke -> because Not acting like scum!Luke (i.e. not posting mainly meta and theory during early game which I associate with his scumgame)
Taly -> because Cytosine likes his posts.
Pooky -> because I liked his early game
OTH -> because Similar to Dunn

^^ This is G
T-Bone -> Seems very nice and seems to be solving
(I think that there's all our TRs up to what I've read [Post 4419].)

[MathBlade]

Us -> Because mod said so
You -> Because I seem solvey and a town mindset
Roden/Dwlee > Because claim
DP -> because Nancy's use of meta and self-defensiveness (which I associate with town!Nancy)
Dunn -> because Seemed to be solving
Luke -> because Not acting like scum!Luke (i.e. not posting mainly meta and theory during early game which I associate with his scumgame)
Taly -> because Cytosine likes his posts.
Pooky -> because I liked his early game
OTH -> because Similar to Dunn

^^ This is G
T-Bone -> Seems very nice and seems to be solving
(I think that there's all our TRs up to what I've read [Post 4419].)

Last time I remember you wanted Pooky’s head.
Saying “he never be executed day 1” thing.

Read carefully

That is G

[MathBlade]

The above post really confuses me

Nancy thinks that someone being suspicious of her slot is equvelant to someone believing in QAnon Conspiracy theories, which is something that I think is pretty offensive ngl.

this feels extremely presumptuous

~GE

<3 <3 <3

I’m getting really fed up with continually being lectured to and picked on by Luke. This is like the third time now and it isn’t okay.

I’m not just going to say nothing when people are misrepping me, twisting my words, cherry picking things out of context and otherwise saying undulterated gatbage about me.

These are also all decent examples of saying that without including things that have real world damaging connotations like qanon.

The only times I am aware of where I stepped in to "lecture you" was just now when you decided to compare someone's play to qanon and when you kept talking poorly about NotMafia, who is not in this game.

Both of those made me uncomfortable.

So I let you know that they both did.

I do not believe that informing you how your words affected my comfort level is the same as picking on someone.

You probably don’t intend this but you are being extremely hurtful. That’s all I’m going to say until I calm down. If you were not trying to do that you would try to provide helpful examples instead of constantly jumping on me.

We both did.

Let’s try an experiment.

Can everyone vote someone please if they aren’t voting?

Like just rapid fire vote?

[MathBlade]

Spoiler: “This is C (paraphrased to avoid copy/paste rule)”

Cat Scratch Fever 4779 - "I thought he was town early, but haven't really noticed his posting lately. I'm kind of out of it though, missed a lot of content " --- I haven't really read a lot of the game, but I don't think this is unusual for Dunnstral. It's highly likely that his voice is simply being drowned out by the 25+ pages that are added each day. Dunnstral is not generally a hyper poster.

T-Bone 4806 --- I agree granted that my reads are probably out of date.

Dunnstral 4818 - "As for why I did it, the game was getting boring and I wanted to see how people would react if I were right in my guess." --- I don’t buy this at all given the fast pace.

Dunnstral 4830 - "I am confident that I could get myself out of being eliminated by claiming my role, so I wasn't worried." --- This sounds like something scum!Dunnstral says as a stall tactic.
---
I'd probably say it's at rand chance Dunnstral is mafia here (based mostly off the last three pages). Their early game looked pretty good, but the neighborhood thing is off putting.I think I find it most suspicious that Dunnstral made the guess as a response for a list of claims. That doesn't really look like a guess to me although I don't think it is /too/ offputting to not be a thing town Dunnstral does.

To be very clear this is not me.

[MathBlade]

Gotta go into work early because I need to have a longer lunch. No way to read all of this. I will look for a VC over lunch break and vote then.

[MathBlade]

I have 5 minutes

Can anyone tell me a recent vote count?

I want to know who the competing wagons are:

[MathBlade]

I have 5 minutes

Can anyone tell me a recent vote count?

I want to know who the competing wagons are:

VOTE: Mala

I think this puts her at 5, Frogster at 5, Taly at 3

VOTE: Mala

<snip>

Mala - 6
Frogster - 5
Taly - 3
That's what I can remember

VOTE: Frogster

If you can’t identify who is on what wagon and why
Slow down you’re spamming

Mala and Taly seem to be wagoning not spamming people so probably town.

[MathBlade]

Flavor

later

Vote Count 1.27

5 Frogsterking (ProfessorDrapion, Enchant, Taly, PookyTheMagicalBear, Lukewarm)

3 Malakittens (Rad, Klick, Bellaphant)
3 Taly (Malakittens, Bell, Cephrir)
3 Dunnstral (BlueBloodedToffee, Roden, JohnnyFarrar)

2 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook, RCEnigma)
2 Enchant (Frogsterking, T-Bone)

1 Cephrir (Cat Scratch Fever)
1 Klick (Mathblade)
1 Dancing Puppets (Best Bird)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (Dwlee99)

Not Voting (MalcolmTucker, Cytosine and Guanine, Dunnstral, Dancing Puppets)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Mala on V/LA until the 16th
Titus V/LA
I think Best Bird is V/LA too
Wedding week and new job expect less from me

Unless you believe ALL of Mala/Frog/Taly/Dunn are town please vote them

We need the day to end

It’s impossible to keep up with anything at the rate of posting

I gotta go

[MathBlade]

Those four are the top wagons.

Unless you have a goddamn miracle case someone is scum I don’t fucking care

Stop doing vanity wagons and listen to other people

There’s 5 scum in here

You don’t need your damn pet wagon

[MathBlade]

3/4ths if the game is treating this like goddamn RVS right now.

It’s not.

Fucking listen more

[MathBlade]

Those four are the top wagons.

Unless you have a goddamn miracle case someone is scum I don’t fucking care

Stop doing vanity wagons and listen to other people

There’s 5 scum in here

You don’t need your damn pet wagon

I'm fucking voting Mala

Good for you.

Now everyone else needs to vote in those four.

[MathBlade]

Those four are the top wagons.

Unless you have a goddamn miracle case someone is scum I don’t fucking care

Stop doing vanity wagons and listen to other people

There’s 5 scum in here

You don’t need your damn pet wagon

3/4ths if the game is treating this like goddamn RVS right now.

It’s not.

Fucking listen more

You’re the one not listening Math, Mala’s not a vanity wagon.

Read my case.

Mala’s one of the top four wagons ergo not vanity

That is a generalized message.

I don’t have time to go hunting in a game this size for your case.

[MathBlade]

Those four are the top wagons.

Unless you have a goddamn miracle case someone is scum I don’t fucking care

Stop doing vanity wagons and listen to other people

There’s 5 scum in here

You don’t need your damn pet wagon

3/4ths if the game is treating this like goddamn RVS right now.

It’s not.

Fucking listen more

You’re the one not listening Math, Mala’s not a vanity wagon.

Read my case.

Mala’s one of the top four wagons ergo not vanity

That is a generalized message.

I don’t have time to go hunting in a game this size for your case.

Well he was voting her and she’s not a vanity wagon, so don’t understand your point?

Generalized = TO EVERYONE

If you’re already doing it good for you!

[MathBlade]

Flavor

later

Vote Count 1.28

6 Malakittens (Rad, Klick, Bellaphant, Dancing Puppets, Cat Scratch Fever, Frogsterking)
6 Frogsterking (ProfessorDrapion, Enchant, Taly, PookyTheMagicalBear, Lukewarm, Mathblade)

3 Taly (Malakittens, Bell, Cephrir)
3 Dunnstral (BlueBloodedToffee, Roden, JohnnyFarrar)

2 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook, RCEnigma)

1 Enchant (T-Bone)
1 Dancing Puppets (Best Bird)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (Dwlee99)

Not Voting (MalcolmTucker, Cytosine and Guanine, Dunnstral)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Mala on V/LA until the 16th
Titus V/LA
I think Best Bird is V/LA too
Wedding week and new job expect less from me

Johnny can still happen with the willpower. One last push before probably settling on Mala.

VOTE: JohnnyFarrar

Oh my fucking god.

[MathBlade]

Flavor

later

Vote Count 1.28

6 Malakittens (Rad, Klick, Bellaphant, Dancing Puppets, Cat Scratch Fever, Frogsterking)
6 Frogsterking (ProfessorDrapion, Enchant, Taly, PookyTheMagicalBear, Lukewarm, Mathblade)

3 Taly (Malakittens, Bell, Cephrir)
3 Dunnstral (BlueBloodedToffee, Roden, JohnnyFarrar)

2 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook, RCEnigma)

1 Enchant (T-Bone)
1 Dancing Puppets (Best Bird)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (Dwlee99)

Not Voting (MalcolmTucker, Cytosine and Guanine, Dunnstral)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Mala on V/LA until the 16th
Titus V/LA
I think Best Bird is V/LA too
Wedding week and new job expect less from me

Johnny can still happen with the willpower. One last push before probably settling on Mala.

VOTE: JohnnyFarrar

Oh my fucking god.

We playing mafia.

Gods don't know this place.

It’s an expression I am an atheist.

[MathBlade]

Flavor

later

Vote Count 1.28

6 Malakittens (Rad, Klick, Bellaphant, Dancing Puppets, Cat Scratch Fever, Frogsterking)
6 Frogsterking (ProfessorDrapion, Enchant, Taly, PookyTheMagicalBear, Lukewarm, Mathblade)

3 Taly (Malakittens, Bell, Cephrir)
3 Dunnstral (BlueBloodedToffee, Roden, JohnnyFarrar)

2 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook, RCEnigma)

1 Enchant (T-Bone)
1 Dancing Puppets (Best Bird)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (Dwlee99)

Not Voting (MalcolmTucker, Cytosine and Guanine, Dunnstral)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Mala on V/LA until the 16th
Titus V/LA
I think Best Bird is V/LA too
Wedding week and new job expect less from me

Johnny can still happen with the willpower. One last push before probably settling on Mala.

VOTE: JohnnyFarrar

Oh my fucking god.

You said Taly/Dunn were viable wagons. I'd unvoted Roden and hadn't switched over to Johnny yet. Johnny is no less viable than Taly/Dunn but more importantly I think it's personally a much better wagon for us to back. If this doesn't work I will switch to Mala, deal?

Deal.

I just cut it off at three people

You makes three technically.

Add Johnny to the list

I am just beyond frustrated right now

[MathBlade]

Flavor

later

Vote Count 1.28

6 Malakittens (Rad, Klick, Bellaphant, Dancing Puppets, Cat Scratch Fever, Frogsterking)
6 Frogsterking (ProfessorDrapion, Enchant, Taly, PookyTheMagicalBear, Lukewarm, Mathblade)

3 Taly (Malakittens, Bell, Cephrir)
3 Dunnstral (BlueBloodedToffee, Roden, JohnnyFarrar)

2 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook, RCEnigma)

1 Enchant (T-Bone)
1 Dancing Puppets (Best Bird)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (Dwlee99)

Not Voting (MalcolmTucker, Cytosine and Guanine, Dunnstral)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Mala on V/LA until the 16th
Titus V/LA
I think Best Bird is V/LA too
Wedding week and new job expect less from me

Johnny can still happen with the willpower. One last push before probably settling on Mala.

VOTE: JohnnyFarrar

Oh my fucking god.

You said Taly/Dunn were viable wagons. I'd unvoted Roden and hadn't switched over to Johnny yet. Johnny is no less viable than Taly/Dunn but more importantly I think it's personally a much better wagon for us to back. If this doesn't work I will switch to Mala, deal?

Deal.

I just cut it off at three people

You makes three technically.

Add Johnny to the list

I am just beyond frustrated right now

Cool. I think Ceph had expressed an interest in Johnny. Would you vote there too? That's potentially five if so.

I will vote whoever I don’t explicitly TR who is higher than anyone else.

[MathBlade]

So C caught me up (thanks C) and said Frog claimed rolecop.

Can anyone explain what the responses to that were?

I am torn between a) don’t elim an investigative claim D1 and b) then anytime someone gets run up claim investigative.

No I haven’t read any of your super special points in the mountains of spam.

[MathBlade]

So C caught me up (thanks C) and said Frog claimed rolecop.

Can anyone explain what the responses to that were?

I am torn between a) don’t elim an investigative claim D1 and b) then anytime someone gets run up claim investigative.

No I haven’t read any of your super special points in the mountains of spam.

i think the most notable thing about it has been how he claimed ("i am the lord your god, a 2 shot role cop, the best role to ever grace reality, unvote me or perish fools")

it seems like it should be readable

Meh. Kinda wanna elim him for that alone. But that’s me wanting to remove the arrogance versus what the smart play is

VOTE: Unvote

I don’t TR Frog but I am going to take overnight to think about it.

[MathBlade]

@MATH we were looking for a good wagon to start and basing it on t-bone's list so if it flips green we can blame t-bone

Malakittens
MalcolmTucker
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
RCEnigma
Enchant
Bellaphant
Cat Scratch Fever
PenguinPower

Anyone there you wanna join on?

I want to slow the game down and read properly.

The 314th wagon is not exactly what I am up to

[MathBlade]

Bell and I think it's a role that is plausible for town since roles are not flipped.

finish the thought

why is it plausible for town to have a role cop because roles are not flipped

Finish how? Feels like a complete thought to me.

explain to me why it's plausible for town to have a town role cop in a flipless game.

finish the thought

what is plausible about it, what utility would it serve for the town.

I think it has more scum utility but could have some town power. Without knowing the setup even if we assume Frogger town then we don’t know if he’s town or antitown. He’s probably scum but I just want to think it through.

[MathBlade]

I think all the suggestions about what benefit or not a rolecop could do and how scum could react are really antitown and should stop.

The short of it is either you believe Frog or not.

[MathBlade]

You both have valid arguments

Everyone keeps trying to be the goddamn hero

Stop it please

[MathBlade]

I think all the suggestions about what benefit or not a rolecop could do and how scum could react are really antitown and should stop.

The short of it is either you believe Frog or not.

What I don’t understand is why he is set on flipping Luke in particular?

*shrug* haven’t read yet.

I got the two second summary in the hood.

I have a bad cough and am going to lay down in a bit

[MathBlade]

Frogster's role is NAI. There are arguments for it belonging to mafia or town and that cannot be determined without knowing other mafia roles.

The way they went about their claim is what is not NAI. I was not amused when they acted like their role was super important and tried to strongarm the town, I don't know what it means for their alignment.

I don’t know whether I hate or love that you agree with me

[MathBlade]

UNVOTE: Frogsterking

Okay guys I'm done reaction testing. The anger was real but I was also fishing for reads. I was trying to catch Luke but I got something much better on accident:

MathBlade is scum I have evidence. MathBlade knows this is my town meta. I did a very similar thing with the freak out and the big letters in this game here:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88600

It's Bunnies 2258

Don't tell me MathBlade forgot, it's a very difficult thing to forget. In the game I linked, MathBlade was Town and pushed my mislim through when I was also Town.

His pop in during our game just now at 6144 is scum. He's pretending to be undecided about how to react to my slot. He didn't mention he's seen me act this way before, and this is my town play. He's probably laughing about it right now in the scum PT.

VOTE: MathBlade

__

It gets much better though.

UNVOTE: MathBlade

Pooky also knows this is my town meta. Pooky was a player in the same Bunnies 2258 game I linked above. He is the female alt named Ariesta or whatever the account name is. Pooky saw me do the same big letters blind range freakout while being mislimmed as Town. Pooky even was interacting with me while I did it for much longer in Bunnies 2258. He knows this is my Town meta. The fact neither Math nor Pooky are reacting to this or bringing up that this is an established aspect of my Town meta makes me think they're both scum.

Pooky's suspicion of Math upon replacement was just fake for distancing. Pooky and Math are both scum.

VOTE: Pooky

I literally said I was going to be AFK all day? Wtf?

[MathBlade]

The fact neither Math nor Pooky are reacting to this or bringing up that this is an established aspect of my Town meta makes me think they're both scum.

Math has made it clear that they did not read part of the game.

This.

If it is your town meta I will read and see it when I get there

Right now my goal is to get people to stop hyperposting so I don’t have 3000 posts (hyperbole) to read in the AM.

[MathBlade]

I am going to bed.

I feel like posting right now is stupid.

Frogster is just spamming shit without reading what Dunn or I said.

Like I am not even voting him.

I need a breather

[MathBlade]

frogsterking go sit in the corner for a minute we're doing something that actually matters.

No loser, Pooky and Math just outted themselves as scum. Flip Math first then Pooky I don't care.

Yes the whole “outed” by not reading 200 posts before posting and telepathically figuring out a game six months ago and make some random connection means I am scum /s (this is a joke)

Pedit I was before the claim

I was gone earlier

[MathBlade]

Good night

If I get run up I will see it in the morning

Like I think Frog is just trying to pick anyone to survive based on reactions.

Like he didn’t even respond to Dunn’s point

No one is reading what anyone writes.

[MathBlade]

you know what? i don't need an answer to my last question. the last 2 pages answers it.

@Pooky, Luke, CSF, ProfessorDrapion, T-Bone, Bell, any masons who happen to be here right now

Please stop whatever you're doing. My thing is going to be a lot more important. Instead, please rank these players in the order you would most like them to die. T-Bone, if you could drop your neighbor embargo thing for this and give honest reads, I would appreciate it.

Dancing Puppets
JohnnyFarrar
Taly
MathBlade

eh, throw RCEnigma on this list too.

Cool. I guess you just spewed everyone on this list town. And when I die - whether you miselim me or nk me, you will be following.

no one asked you :3

You are never shutting me up as long as I’m fucking alive. I will never stop voting you and that’s a promise.

Nancy did you read my post?

The thought of flaming obvscum being any kind of leader makes me want to hurl uncontrollably.

Nancy, listen!!

Pooky and Math are not this dense LOL. They know that I'm townie. They both saw me do the big letter rage freak out in Bunnies 2258. They were both Town in that game pushing my mislim through. I linked to the game in the big post I just wrote my iso. Neither one of them even mentioned "oh yeah I've seen frog do this EXACT townplay before when I was voting them". Please read the big post I just wrote explaining this.

Again what big letter thing? I HAVEN’T READ

And if something you do only as town it would be a trust tell so I don’t rely on self meta

[MathBlade]

Let Rad be the tie breaker I literally cannot go to bed until you do whatever it is you're gonna do.

I'm guessing gladiator. He

is

hated.

Can we get a list of claims?

I am sure scum already did this.

[MathBlade]

oh well congrats rad!

sry luke this role isnt for hemming or hawing it's for living

gladiate taly

VOTE: taly

VOTE: Taly

If this is fake I am coming for Cephrir and Frog

[MathBlade]

oh hang on i forgot to read my role PM

Dear Taly, You don't know who I am but I know who you are and I know what you done.

All votes are reset. Players may only vote for Taly or Cephrir.

NV: Everyone

VOTE: Taly

Yeah my Cephrir was quick wagoned probably right.

[MathBlade]

20 pages overnight and I am coughing up a storm.

Did y’all say anything actually important?

I haven’t caught up from before so I don’t know if anyone has any questions for me or anything.

What’s the VC at?

[MathBlade]

20 pages overnight and I am coughing up a storm.

Did y’all say anything actually important?

I haven’t caught up from before so I don’t know if anyone has any questions for me or anything.

What’s the VC at?

Well when we were gonna push you to make it Frog wagon and you CW, Cephrir decided to use his Galdiate ability on Taly.

Why? Why would a wagon be starting up?

I was freaking AFK?

The last I saw Frog said something about not recognizing him town for something I haven’t read?

This feels like trying to dredge up old shit and stretching for a reason.

[MathBlade]

UNVOTE: Unvote

I want to catch up or someone provide a case or something.

Please stop spamming and start talking.

[MathBlade]

What are the cases for Taly scum?
What are the cases for Ceph scum?

Who is making them?

[MathBlade]

Why is Taly town?

[MathBlade]

@Dunn @Pooky what mech arguments are being made for Cephrir/Taly?

[MathBlade]

@Dunn @Pooky what mech arguments are being made for Cephrir/Taly?

dunn hasnt done enough anti town shit today he's trying to gaslight me into thinking that yeeting taly!town is protown because he's happy to lose

Please link the post or summarize the argument versus generic shade

[MathBlade]

Maybe people should slow down and communicate more.

Since Pooky actually answered my question you get my vote until I can read.

From your post it sounds like you’re voting Cephrir right Pooky?

[MathBlade]

Maybe people should slow down and communicate more.

Since Pooky actually answered my question you get my vote until I can read.

From your post it sounds like you’re voting Cephrir right Pooky?

i think they're both town i dont give a shit which one gets yeeted

Why do you think Cephrir is town when your argument is Cephrir is being antitown?

[MathBlade]

Maybe people should slow down and communicate more.

Since Pooky actually answered my question you get my vote until I can read.

From your post it sounds like you’re voting Cephrir right Pooky?

i think they're both town i dont give a shit which one gets yeeted

Why do you think Cephrir is town when your argument is Cephrir is being antitown?

i think frogster spewed them both town when he reacted to the gladiate

Can you link the post so I can read it over my lunch break?

If the choice is TvT I would rather pick the one being antitown.

[MathBlade]

Can someone update me on 70 pages?

Sorry I can’t

What I know is Ceph gladiated Taly then I crashed because I have been sick as hell.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: No lim

Protest vote until I can catch up.

[MathBlade]

Every argument I see for not killing taly makes me want to pull my hair out.

It feels like literally every person who has said she is town, had said "she is town because she is obviously town" and since I don't think she is "clearly obv town to the point that only an idiotic person would consider her elimination" it means nothing to me.

She is town because she is town is a non-arguement.

Can someone actually explain why she is town this game?

Also, can someone explain why scum!ceph does his gladiate here? (And if you say "to save frog" please provide a list of 14 people who were open to killing frog at the time, thanks!)

I think this is an illogical argument

14 people able to coordinate in a game this size is a stretch. Frog being a high enough wagon could have been de facto.

Some players are arguing because of this defactoness Ceph is scum trying to save Frog

Having to read 14 when fatigue is likely setting in is a thing

I think Taly may also be day fatigue too.

Like no I haven’t read other arguments but that’s the one from earlier.

[MathBlade]

For example, there’s a lot of loud players who want me dead.

That makes my wagon inherently seem more popular than it is.

We have two choices and neither of which are a good choice as using Luke’s argument there doesn’t seem to be 14 that want Taly either or Taly would have been dead while I nap

[MathBlade]

Flavor

you may only vote for Taly or Cephrir

Vote Count 1.31

10 Taly (Lukewarm, T-Bone, Dunnstral, Cephrir, Frogsterking, Klick, MalcolmTucker, RCEnigma, Roden, Bell)
6 No-lim (Off the Hook, Mathblade, Rad, PookyTheMagicalBear, Dancing Puppets, Cat Scratch Fever,
3 Cephrir (ProfessorDrapion, JohnnyFarrar, Taly)

Not Voting (Cytosine and Guanine, Enchant, Malakittens, Bellaphant, BlueBloodedToffee, Dwlee99, Best Bird)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Mala on V/LA until the 16th
Titus V/LA
Best Bird V/LA
Taly V/LA
Lukewarm V/LA
Wedding week and new job expect less from me

This reads like scum dogpile on Taly to make her inevitable of the choices

[MathBlade]

For example, there’s a lot of loud players who want me dead.

That makes my wagon inherently seem more popular than it is.

We have two choices and neither of which are a good choice as using Luke’s argument there doesn’t seem to be 14 that want Taly either or Taly would have been dead while I nap

Are you in favor of no lim or Cephrir lim then?

~Titus

I am in favor of letting things develop.

I can see some ways Ceph is town.

I have been coughing and falling asleep a lot.

I would like to see someone actually case Ceph or Taly scum more that “strategy” or “scum Ceph never does this”

We should be talking reads and relationships to get as much out of the day as possible

[MathBlade]

Flavor

you may only vote for Taly or Cephrir

Vote Count 1.30

6 Taly (Lukewarm, Cat Scratch Fever, T-Bone, Dunnstral, Mathblade, Rad)
3 Cephrir (PookyTheMagicalBear, Dancing Puppets, ProfessorDrapion)

Not Voting (Cytosine and Guanine, Enchant, Taly, JohnnyFarrar, Off the Hook, RCEnigma, MalcolmTucker, Cephrir, Malakittens, Bell, Klick, Bellaphant, BlueBloodedToffee, Roden, Dwlee99, Best Bird, Frogsterking)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Mala on V/LA until the 16th
Titus V/LA
I think Best Bird is V/LA too
Wedding week and new job expect less from me

Major dogpile on Taly

No one questions why.

If it’s the right decision that should be answered before hammer

[MathBlade]

Flavor

you may only vote for Taly or Cephrir

Vote Count 1.30

6 Taly (Lukewarm, Cat Scratch Fever, T-Bone, Dunnstral, Mathblade, Rad)
3 Cephrir (PookyTheMagicalBear, Dancing Puppets, ProfessorDrapion)

Not Voting (Cytosine and Guanine, Enchant, Taly, JohnnyFarrar, Off the Hook, RCEnigma, MalcolmTucker, Cephrir, Malakittens, Bell, Klick, Bellaphant, BlueBloodedToffee, Roden, Dwlee99, Best Bird, Frogsterking)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Mala on V/LA until the 16th
Titus V/LA
I think Best Bird is V/LA too
Wedding week and new job expect less from me

Major dogpile on Taly

No one questions why.

If it’s the right decision that should be answered before hammer

Then vote ceph.

See I am not sure that’s right either.

If it’s TvT then scum might want Taly dead for her reads
If it’s TvS then scum want Taly because she is town.

I would rather people talk reads and why Taly
If you’re on Taly to prevent no elim so does Ceph

Why Taly?

If there is a good argument I will join either wagon

I just kinda hope we would talk

[MathBlade]

Flavor

you may only vote for Taly or Cephrir

Vote Count 1.30

6 Taly (Lukewarm, Cat Scratch Fever, T-Bone, Dunnstral, Mathblade, Rad)
3 Cephrir (PookyTheMagicalBear, Dancing Puppets, ProfessorDrapion)

Not Voting (Cytosine and Guanine, Enchant, Taly, JohnnyFarrar, Off the Hook, RCEnigma, MalcolmTucker, Cephrir, Malakittens, Bell, Klick, Bellaphant, BlueBloodedToffee, Roden, Dwlee99, Best Bird, Frogsterking)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Mala on V/LA until the 16th
Titus V/LA
I think Best Bird is V/LA too
Wedding week and new job expect less from me

Major dogpile on Taly

No one questions why.

If it’s the right decision that should be answered before hammer

Then vote ceph.

This VC happened before we knew No Lim was a possibility.

Irrelevant the wagons in between didn’t respond to that fact

[MathBlade]

Perhaps I am being too demanding when I ask for a full scum case on Taly from whoever is advocating for Taly to get killed here.

I will lower the bar for those who want to kill Taly.

Give me your single most compelling reason to believe Taly is mafia here.

They hedged in a PT.
Toog implied their role was more inherently townie than it really was in the game thread.
They stated they wanted less noise so wanted to talk in a PT.
They replaced into a game and then went inactive. When usually people who replace into games have the time to replace into them.
Cognitive load(I’m aware this game is exceptional, but if I unthinkingly apply it, it works).

There I made up a case I don’t even believe In. Because of a town case that I feel is stronger that can be summed up in “they’re being very emotional and I don’t think it’s fake because reasons 1-9.

Even you initially were upset not because Taly was going to be killed, but because it derailed your frogster wagon and his reaction spewed that the gladiate was tvt. An assumptions on top of an assumption.

You don’t believe in this case why should I?

[MathBlade]

If you DO NOT think ceph is scum, vote Taly.
If you DO NOT think Taly is scum, vote Ceph.

What if you think neither scum? Yeah I would 100% vote Ceph > Taly but the more sensible option is to no lim.

Then the arguments will straighten that out

It’s also possible scum are bussing if they think Ceph is impossible

We should force people to make content they can be held accountable to

[MathBlade]

Flavor

you may only vote for Taly or Cephrir

Vote Count 1.30

6 Taly (Lukewarm, Cat Scratch Fever, T-Bone, Dunnstral, Mathblade, Rad)
3 Cephrir (PookyTheMagicalBear, Dancing Puppets, ProfessorDrapion)

Not Voting (Cytosine and Guanine, Enchant, Taly, JohnnyFarrar, Off the Hook, RCEnigma, MalcolmTucker, Cephrir, Malakittens, Bell, Klick, Bellaphant, BlueBloodedToffee, Roden, Dwlee99, Best Bird, Frogsterking)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Mala on V/LA until the 16th
Titus V/LA
I think Best Bird is V/LA too
Wedding week and new job expect less from me

Major dogpile on Taly

No one questions why.

If it’s the right decision that should be answered before hammer

Then vote ceph.

See I am not sure that’s right either.

If it’s TvT then scum might want Taly dead for her reads
If it’s TvS then scum want Taly because she is town.

I would rather people talk reads and why Taly
If you’re on Taly to prevent no elim so does Ceph

Why Taly?

If there is a good argument I will join either wagon

I just kinda hope we would talk

I townread ceph more and no limming is bullshit.

Suddenly everyone needs a lock tight case to pick 1 of only 2 logical options.

Why do you townread Ceph more?

[MathBlade]

If you DO NOT think ceph is scum, vote Taly.
If you DO NOT think Taly is scum, vote Ceph.

What if you think neither scum? Yeah I would 100% vote Ceph > Taly but the more sensible option is to no lim.

I’ve already said I don’t think either are scum. You don’t want to vote Taly because you townread them and I’m on the other end. But I’m averse to a no elim just to save 1 person in my maybe town pool.

And I think forcing people to stances to why their vote is where it is is the better play

[MathBlade]

Flavor

later

Vote Count 1.27

5 Frogsterking (ProfessorDrapion, Enchant, Taly, PookyTheMagicalBear, Lukewarm)

3 Malakittens (Rad, Klick, Bellaphant)
3 Taly (Malakittens, Bell, Cephrir)
3 Dunnstral (BlueBloodedToffee, Roden, JohnnyFarrar)

2 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook, RCEnigma)
2 Enchant (Frogsterking, T-Bone)

1 Cephrir (Cat Scratch Fever)
1 Klick (Mathblade)
1 Dancing Puppets (Best Bird)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (Dwlee99)

Not Voting (MalcolmTucker, Cytosine and Guanine, Dunnstral, Dancing Puppets)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Mala on V/LA until the 16th
Titus V/LA
I think Best Bird is V/LA too
Wedding week and new job expect less from me

Unless you believe ALL of Mala/Frog/Taly/Dunn are town please vote them

We need the day to end

It’s impossible to keep up with anything at the rate of posting

I gotta go

Is this you?

It is.

My point was to generate content where people talk

This hasn’t happened.

[MathBlade]

Math, if you think scum are dogpiling to lim Taly, then who is scum? I want to see thoughts more than conclusions please.

~Titus

I don’t know. I have theories and I need people to talk to figure out what is likely.

[MathBlade]

Flavor

later

Vote Count 1.27

5 Frogsterking (ProfessorDrapion, Enchant, Taly, PookyTheMagicalBear, Lukewarm)

3 Malakittens (Rad, Klick, Bellaphant)
3 Taly (Malakittens, Bell, Cephrir)
3 Dunnstral (BlueBloodedToffee, Roden, JohnnyFarrar)

2 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook, RCEnigma)
2 Enchant (Frogsterking, T-Bone)

1 Cephrir (Cat Scratch Fever)
1 Klick (Mathblade)
1 Dancing Puppets (Best Bird)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (Dwlee99)

Not Voting (MalcolmTucker, Cytosine and Guanine, Dunnstral, Dancing Puppets)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Mala on V/LA until the 16th
Titus V/LA
I think Best Bird is V/LA too
Wedding week and new job expect less from me

Unless you believe ALL of Mala/Frog/Taly/Dunn are town please vote them

We need the day to end

It’s impossible to keep up with anything at the rate of posting

I gotta go

Is this you?

It is.

My point was to generate content where people talk

This hasn’t happened.

It has. You can choose to read through it or not. But that’s a you thing. We don’t need another 100 pages for that.

But we do need some

There is pages not content

All of the reads here barring the one Bell said he doesn’t believe are “I townread Ceph more than Taly” it’s copy pasta

This game feels like it never left RVS

[MathBlade]

Math, if you think scum are dogpiling to lim Taly, then who is scum? I want to see thoughts more than conclusions please.

~Titus

I don’t know. I have theories and I need people to talk to figure out what is likely.

I'm frankly concerned why you're on no lim and you hiding theories. What talk do you need to happen to sort/out your theories?

~Titus

I am not hiding them. They are incomplete

We need people to explain why they are on Taly or Ceph more than the naked reasons to flesh it out.

I know something is weird but the what is undefined

[MathBlade]

This game feels like it never left RVS

And that makes you fine with no lim?

~Titus

It seems the most accurate representation of the game right now.

[MathBlade]

But you can’t even do it in a few simple sentences

I literally am falling asleep betweeen posts

ISOs of a game this size is not feasible for this many players

You should be able to do a simple paragraph why Taly over Ceph?

This feels like redirection

[MathBlade]

If you DO NOT think ceph is scum, vote Taly.
If you DO NOT think Taly is scum, vote Ceph.

What if you think neither scum? Yeah I would 100% vote Ceph > Taly but the more sensible option is to no lim.

I’ve already said I don’t think either are scum. You don’t want to vote Taly because you townread them and I’m on the other end. But I’m averse to a no elim just to save 1 person in my maybe town pool.

WHY are you averse to abstaining in order to save a maybe-town? Cephrir is a maybe-town for me but I'm still voting to abstain because I think either elimination is bad. Voting Taly is giving the bad players what they want, and voting Cephrir is just punishing him for being weak-willed.

~GE

Because you are valuing the life of potential town over information for the town. Taly flipping town says to me, DP pretty much conf-town. I can focus on the slots that tipped the scales between Taly being glaciated or Johnny being gladiated. And if some info came out about Johnny then it slims that pool down no? Plus whatever other info comes out from invests etc.

Then I can look at who was pushing Taly before all the gladiate stuff and why, etc etc.

But if we no lim I’m still no closer to knowing if Taly is town or not, I don’t know if the slots that pushed the gladiate target over are town or not because I don’t know if Taly is or not. And so on.

Does that make sense?

Not really.

This entire argument can be replaced with Ceph instead and pick a different lock town player

[MathBlade]

I’m liking Math’s posting, I think Pooky’s wrong. I don’t see why scum!Math would state the overwhelming obvious - that there’s a dogpile on Taly.

We need to meld. I

don't

like Math's posting and it's easy for scum to state the obvious to pocket town. Assuming Taly is town, then scum!Math has zero to lose drfending them. Either a) Math is successful and Taly is grateful (probably) or b) Math fails and is viewed as correct. That's assuming Taly is town.

Those rationales apply regardless of alignment. What really bothers me is Math saying the game is like RVS and not voting anyone. Doubly so because Math is a proponent of VCA to solve and going no lim is from his PoV picking for the game to languish with no hydra partnet that might benefit from no lim.


I find it odd we perpetually disagree on Math.

~Titus

Does it matter?

My hood partner said I have an open vig on me.

It’s more important town has the information then I die and C&G can give my last reads

[MathBlade]

If you DO NOT think ceph is scum, vote Taly.
If you DO NOT think Taly is scum, vote Ceph.

What if you think neither scum? Yeah I would 100% vote Ceph > Taly but the more sensible option is to no lim.

I’ve already said I don’t think either are scum. You don’t want to vote Taly because you townread them and I’m on the other end. But I’m averse to a no elim just to save 1 person in my maybe town pool.

WHY are you averse to abstaining in order to save a maybe-town? Cephrir is a maybe-town for me but I'm still voting to abstain because I think either elimination is bad. Voting Taly is giving the bad players what they want, and voting Cephrir is just punishing him for being weak-willed.

~GE

Because you are valuing the life of potential town over information for the town. Taly flipping town says to me, DP pretty much conf-town. I can focus on the slots that tipped the scales between Taly being glaciated or Johnny being gladiated. And if some info came out about Johnny then it slims that pool down no? Plus whatever other info comes out from invests etc.

Then I can look at who was pushing Taly before all the gladiate stuff and why, etc etc.

But if we no lim I’m still no closer to knowing if Taly is town or not, I don’t know if the slots that pushed the gladiate target over are town or not because I don’t know if Taly is or not. And so on.

Does that make sense?

Not really.

This entire argument can be replaced with Ceph instead and pick a different lock town player

Ok, then replace every Taly with Ceph.

I did as I read? It makes your paragraph meaningless

There’s nothing here.

Ceph is more town because post ABCD
Taly is scummy for post EFGH

Those are reasons unique to them

You’re arguing an information elim not that Taly is actually scummier than Ceph

In other words you didn’t answer the question asked

[MathBlade]

I’m liking Math’s posting, I think Pooky’s wrong. I don’t see why scum!Math would state the overwhelming obvious - that there’s a dogpile on Taly.

We need to meld. I

don't

like Math's posting and it's easy for scum to state the obvious to pocket town. Assuming Taly is town, then scum!Math has zero to lose drfending them. Either a) Math is successful and Taly is grateful (probably) or b) Math fails and is viewed as correct. That's assuming Taly is town.

Those rationales apply regardless of alignment. What really bothers me is Math saying the game is like RVS and not voting anyone. Doubly so because Math is a proponent of VCA to solve and going no lim is from his PoV picking for the game to languish with no hydra partnet that might benefit from no lim.


I find it odd we perpetually disagree on Math.

~Titus

Does it matter?

My hood partner said I have an open vig on me.

It’s more important town has the information then I die and C&G can give my last reads

Wait, your hood partner is saying they'll shoot you? If you have an open vig, wouldn't you want a flip to make your reads as accurate as possible?

~Titus

No they said someone threatened to shoot me.

I want as much information from everyone having to actually defend their read.

Why is Taly town?

[MathBlade]

Elaborate on Ceph townread oof

I mellowed out on thinking ceph was scum for his early wagon reaction. And they have been pursuing slots that I feel are scum (particularly math and Johnny) which is why I think his gladiate was dumb but he went on the whims of slots he trusted at the time so whatever. I don’t think he’s scum for it I just think it was a bad play with decent intentions.

Read all of that as Ceph is thinking about the game along similar lines that I am. With the exception of “Taly has to die or I have to die”

@ math

Also my argument for voting Taly is not that I think Taly is scummier. But no limming is dumb to me.

No liming is dumb to you.

This means pick between Ceph and Taly

You pick Taly because she’s scummier unless you are scum

Please try again

[MathBlade]

Why the fuck did that happen again??? Burn this website down I am literally using the quick reply box!

What exactly are you asking me?

[MathBlade]

Elaborate on Ceph townread oof

I mellowed out on thinking ceph was scum for his early wagon reaction. And they have been pursuing slots that I feel are scum (particularly math and Johnny) which is why I think his gladiate was dumb but he went on the whims of slots he trusted at the time so whatever. I don’t think he’s scum for it I just think it was a bad play with decent intentions.

Read all of that as Ceph is thinking about the game along similar lines that I am. With the exception of “Taly has to die or I have to die”

@ math

Also my argument for voting Taly is not that I think Taly is scummier. But no limming is dumb to me.

No liming is dumb to you.

This means pick between Ceph and Taly

You pick Taly because she’s scummier unless you are scum

Please try again

That is how a gladiate works yea.

Then again I ask you why Taly?

Your answer because Taly provides info is insufficient as Cephrir provides info as to whether he’s likely defending Frog or not vs elim Taly get a clue to DP’s alignment

So why Taly over Ceph?

[MathBlade]

If you DO NOT think ceph is scum, vote Taly.
If you DO NOT think Taly is scum, vote Ceph.

What if you think neither scum? Yeah I would 100% vote Ceph > Taly but the more sensible option is to no lim.

I’ve already said I don’t think either are scum. You don’t want to vote Taly because you townread them and I’m on the other end. But I’m averse to a no elim just to save 1 person in my maybe town pool.

WHY are you averse to abstaining in order to save a maybe-town? Cephrir is a maybe-town for me but I'm still voting to abstain because I think either elimination is bad. Voting Taly is giving the bad players what they want, and voting Cephrir is just punishing him for being weak-willed.

~GE

Because you are valuing the life of potential town over information for the town. Taly flipping town says to me, DP pretty much conf-town. I can focus on the slots that tipped the scales between Taly being glaciated or Johnny being gladiated. And if some info came out about Johnny then it slims that pool down no? Plus whatever other info comes out from invests etc.

Then I can look at who was pushing Taly before all the gladiate stuff and why, etc etc.

But if we no lim I’m still no closer to knowing if Taly is town or not, I don’t know if the slots that pushed the gladiate target over are town or not because I don’t know if Taly is or not. And so on.

Does that make sense?

Not really.

This entire argument can be replaced with Ceph instead and pick a different lock town player

Ok, then replace every Taly with Ceph.

This doesn’t make sense you wingnut.

~GE

It doesn’t but math is being purposefully pedantic and I’m not really in the mood to make it a whole thing if voting math isn’t even on the table today.

More dodging the question.

The more this question gets dodged the more I want no elim or Ceph.

[MathBlade]

I’m liking Math’s posting, I think Pooky’s wrong. I don’t see why scum!Math would state the overwhelming obvious - that there’s a dogpile on Taly.

We need to meld. I

don't

like Math's posting and it's easy for scum to state the obvious to pocket town. Assuming Taly is town, then scum!Math has zero to lose drfending them. Either a) Math is successful and Taly is grateful (probably) or b) Math fails and is viewed as correct. That's assuming Taly is town.

Those rationales apply regardless of alignment. What really bothers me is Math saying the game is like RVS and not voting anyone. Doubly so because Math is a proponent of VCA to solve and going no lim is from his PoV picking for the game to languish with no hydra partnet that might benefit from no lim.


I find it odd we perpetually disagree on Math.

~Titus

Does it matter?

My hood partner said I have an open vig on me.

It’s more important town has the information then I die and C&G can give my last reads

What the hell? As in they are going to shoot you themselves?

~GE

They said someone said I am a preferred NK target which implies Vig (this someone is not DNA won’t say who in case scum are stupid)

If I am going to die it’s going to be with useful reads

Not because someone begged me because circular reasoning

[MathBlade]

I did as I read? It makes your paragraph meaningless

There’s nothing here.

Ceph is more town because post ABCD
Taly is scummy for post EFGH

Those are reasons unique to them

You’re arguing an information elim not that Taly is actually scummier than Ceph

In other words you didn’t answer the question asked

Math, you are jumping into a different conversation, and asking why it does not fit into the conversation you were having.

You are demanding that this post explains why Taly is better then Ceph, but RCE was trying to explain why No Elim was bad. Those are not the same conversation.

I asked the latter question consistently, I am assuming RCE’s premise is true then why Taly

I am not saying I won’t vote permanently but we should at least have more reasons than “oops someone has to die”

Then if Taly flips town scum aren’t accountable
And if Taly flips town no one gets town cred except maybe one player

I want to have more from this day than that

I am going back to bed.

[MathBlade]

@Math

Spoiler:

Your town read on Cephrir is WAY to over confident.
Why?

I was already lightly leaning town on Ceph before the gladiate.

I think that a scum!Gladiate from Ceph would be near game throwing levels of bad.

I think that Ceph is good at the game.

i.e. I think that ceph doing the gladiate there was possibly the most town indicative thing that any player has done this game so far lol

Perhaps I am being too demanding when I ask for a full scum case on Taly from whoever is advocating for Taly to get killed here.

I will lower the bar for those who want to kill Taly.

Give me your single most compelling reason to believe Taly is mafia here.

- I received a neighbor PM, and I find it odd for Toog to come to the conclusion that he should be treating bell like town off the bat. My expectation for town receiving that role pm to be healthy distrust of their hoodmate. Makes me question if he was actually interested in sorting Bell, or if he was mainly hoping for mutual town reads.

- I feel like Taly has a poor signal to noise ratio. She has been one of the slots this game that I have found it hard to remember a single post she has made. (in my experience, there tends to exist at least some scum in this list)

- To copy and paste something that I incorrectly said about math, but does apply to Taly: She prioritized checking her own iso for claims early on during her rep in.

Taly claims her hood with Bell in her very first post of 1041. Then clarifies that she thought it was good to do so because she did an iso skim of Toog before she made her first post.

- I will ducktail this into saying that that makes me scratch my head at this post 11 posts later .

I just realized Toog has only posted twice and now I'm tilting my head at the suspicion there.

pedit: pooky already voted, so this was a waste of my time smh.

I am not going to pretend that I am convinced she is scum.

But, I also don't think that she is a lock town.

And I think killing a null-ish slot is better then killing no one.

Hope that helps you pooky.

This makes sense.

Spiritual vote on Taly.

I will see where things stand after my nap to give Ceph people a chance to provide a case.

[MathBlade]

What 180 on Taly?

Btw I tested positive for covid so I likely won’t be active very much

v/la until sometime

I probably will make the posting once or twice a day but effort is hard

[MathBlade]

What 180 on Taly?

[MathBlade]

What 180 on Taly?

I thought you flipped your read on them, if I misunderstood you, please feel free to correct me on that.

I have no read

My top theory is she is scum but that’s a theory

[MathBlade]

9 Cephrir (ProfessorDrapion, JohnnyFarrar, Taly, Off the Hook, T-Bone, Lukewarm, PookyTheMagicalBear, Rad, Dancing Puppets)
8 Taly (Dunnstral, Cephrir, Frogsterking, Klick, MalcolmTucker, RCEnigma, Roden, Bell)

What 180 on Taly?

I thought you flipped your read on them, if I misunderstood you, please feel free to correct me on that.

I have no read

My top theory is she is scum but that’s a theory

back it up with a vote im tired of this fencesitting

I am fine fencesitting tyvm

[MathBlade]

What 180 on Taly?

I thought you flipped your read on them, if I misunderstood you, please feel free to correct me on that.

I have no read

My top theory is she is scum but that’s a theory

Based on? People who are saying I haven’t given a reason why they’re town, what is the basis for Taly scum? Pretty much every single argument I’ve heard is why Ceph is town, not why Taly isn’t. Absolutely nothing I’ve read is convincing me they’re scum.

Wagon speed

[MathBlade]

9 Cephrir (ProfessorDrapion, JohnnyFarrar, Taly, Off the Hook, T-Bone, Lukewarm, PookyTheMagicalBear, Rad, Dancing Puppets)
8 Taly (Dunnstral, Cephrir, Frogsterking, Klick, MalcolmTucker, RCEnigma, Roden, Bell)

What 180 on Taly?

I thought you flipped your read on them, if I misunderstood you, please feel free to correct me on that.

I have no read

My top theory is she is scum but that’s a theory

back it up with a vote im tired of this fencesitting

I am fine fencesitting tyvm

I hope you'll forgive me for tunneling you. Because I am going to hell tunnel you.

I forgive everyone for tunneling me tomorrow.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Ceph

Whatever spoons stolen

[MathBlade]

Unless anyone has a better idea?

I do but I am widely scumread so I am scared if I say it it would be ignored.

[MathBlade]

What is your idea, Math

I would say Frog should investigate whoever.

At this point for a large we have masons and neighbors and other things going on.

It may be more worth while to have Frog check someone midtier.

The Dunn plan also has merit but there’s a flaw in it that I shouldn’t say. If you go with it okay.

[MathBlade]

What is your idea, Math

I would say Frog should investigate whoever.

At this point for a large we have masons and neighbors and other things going on.

It may be more worth while to have Frog check someone midtier.

The Dunn plan also has merit but there’s a flaw in it that I shouldn’t say. If you go with it okay.

[MathBlade]

Leashing to Dunn feels better then just letting him do what ever he wants.

But I am not married to doing that.

If Roden has a better idea, then he is free to change it, but would like to have that as a default if the day ends without something else being suggested/agreed on

I cannot say how terrible that idea is. There’s something I don’t think you’re seeing. I’d break up with that idea quickly

[MathBlade]

i have no expectation that he will listen to roden

just letting him do what ever he wants.

These two get it

I said do whatever too

[MathBlade]

Leashing to Dunn feels better then just letting him do what ever he wants.

But I am not married to doing that.

If Roden has a better idea, then he is free to change it, but would like to have that as a default if the day ends without something else being suggested/agreed on

I cannot say how terrible that idea is. There’s something I don’t think you’re seeing. I’d break up with that idea quickly

Telling us to just trust you does not feel productive.

Feel like this should either have an explanation OR an alternative suggestion (if you're really married to not explaining)

The assumption suggested is scum have a Roleblocker.
Scum likely have a factional kill.

*blinks*

I think that spells out my concern

[MathBlade]

I am scared if I am more direct I might tell scum something they might not think of.

[MathBlade]

Are you just saying that scum could *hypothetically it would be bad~* for scum to role block Dun and kill the person that could confirm them. Or better yet role block frog and shoot dun.

Since you said it in the open yeah. That’s my concern.

Then Frogger scum or Frogger town says they are blocked.

I was trying to avoid being so direct as to avoid coaching scum.

[MathBlade]

Covid sucks.

Brain is fried.

Read nothing.

Multiball would be weird. Like it would match the all town vibe I was feeling earlier but like how would multiball but all mafia work?

I think let’s listen before conclusions

We had a ton of people running their mouth.

Let’s slow down and communicate.

It’s likely scum have at least one kill so let’s look at Dunn’s and Frog’s reads

[MathBlade]

I just looked at EoD again and I mean Dunn confirmable and Frogger rolecop claim

So I mean dead because PR claim?

[MathBlade]

Flavor

Jack leads people to the caves after it seems rescue is not happening. Two corpses are found at the caves, one of them contains a bag with two stones, one dark, one light. The concept of dark and light reappears throughout the show.

Vote Count 1.18

7 Frogsterking (JohnnyFarrar, Roden, Lukewarm, Galron, BlueBloodedToffee, Dancing Puppets, Enchant)

5 BlueBloodedToffee (Dunnstral, Cat Scratch Fever, Frogsterking, Cephrir, PenguinPower)

2 Galron (Bellaphant, The toad)

1 Cephrir (PookyTheMagicalBear)
1 The toad (Rad)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Rad (Off the Hook)
1 Bell (T-Bone)
1 Dwlee99 (Bell)

Not Voting (Taly, MalcolmTucker, Corwinoid, Cytosine and Guanine, Klick, Dwlee99)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

VOTE: BBT

Ceph Frog and Dunn on BBT.

Good place to start discussion I think

[MathBlade]

Covid sucks.

Brain is fried.

Read nothing.

Multiball would be weird. Like it would match the all town vibe I was feeling earlier but like how would multiball but all mafia work?

I think let’s listen before conclusions

We had a ton of people running their mouth.

Let’s slow down and communicate.

It’s likely scum have at least one kill so let’s look at Dunn’s and Frog’s reads

I agree that Multiball would be weird, but a mafia double kill or a Vig shot there would be just as weird.

I'm not sure either were killed for reads, we had a plan to try to confirm Dunn and test Frog's utility as a Rolecop. I think it makes sense for scum to kill them, especially if scum lies within the consensus town reads so that they have an excuse to still be alive.

PE: Yeah that's what I'm getting at. Killing them makes sense from a scum perspective, but not from a Vig perspective.

I can see some worlds where a vig shoots someone.

I think it would be anti town but considering how D1 ended it wouldn’t surprise me maybe an arrogant D1 vig

But more than likely needs an explanation.

[MathBlade]

That should say N1 vig*

I swear I can type

[MathBlade]

I think Dunn NK'd and Frogster vigged is the most likely explanation. Several people were heavily scumreading Frogster

Math, weren't you scumreading Frogster at the end of day 1? Why is it a surprise to you that someone would vig there?

I literally said I see some worlds where Frog was vigged? *confused*

And yes I was scumreading Frog end of D1 but Dude was being ridiculous

[MathBlade]

But more than likely needs an explanation.

This line

Seems like you think it was a bad vig overall

Because it is.

I can scumread someone and think bad vig. Frog claimed an invest.

Frog even if scum would have to accurately say someone’s read or end up in a 1v1

So bad vig even if Frog was scum.

(He wasn’t so that makes it even worse)

[MathBlade]

Someone’s role*

Lmfao

[MathBlade]

So bad vig even if Frog was scum.

nah it was a good vig cuz I would've spent the entire day pounding the table chanting frog bloood frog blood frog blood

Or you could like just….not?

[MathBlade]

There’s no point in bickering now.

What do you think of BBT?

They’re someone the three of them agreed was scum?

[MathBlade]

So bad vig even if Frog was scum.

nah it was a good vig cuz I would've spent the entire day pounding the table chanting frog bloood frog blood frog blood

Or you could like just….not?

I agree with Frog vig, partially. I would have strongly wanted a result but this is good for VCA. Since we know both Frog and Cephrir were town, this is vital info.

Math, I'd like to see your VCA.

~Titus

See prior post. I am sick with covid. Long term effort tasks are just nope. I found the first place Ceph Frog and Dunn agreed in the votecounts and voted there for research.

[MathBlade]

I was asking for a lot of things. I put my vote where I thought it should be.

I feel like I was the only one actually sorting while everyone else was yelling.

I owned stock at Waffle House

[MathBlade]

My gut is that this makes the Professor look a lot worse (especially since there is like zero reevaluations after a bunch of incorrect reads in flips), but also I doubt the Dunn kill is about them. I'm running with the assumption that Dunn was the factional kill and not Frog, otherwise the scumteam is playing 5D chess in which case good job.

@Taly because I said I would if Ceph/Frog flipped town. It's also a joke? What a weird thing to get hung up on. Sorry, I'm feeling relatively good because three of my town reads were correct, makes me feel like I have good read on the game after all, something among other things at the end of day 1, I was doubting.

oh im tonedeaf and sleepy oof

I was asking for a lot of things. I put my vote where I thought it should be.

I feel like I was the only one actually sorting while everyone else was yelling.

I owned stock at Waffle House

you had me as theoretical scum though and you voted

ceph

. where was the progression?

Wanted to end the day and someone pretty much said vote Ceph or we start day two doing the same stupidity as yesterday. Ceph was kinda elim de facto anyway hence why I said “Whatever”.

[MathBlade]

I find it funny people are burying my BBT vote and not asking me about it yet naked vote me and like what?

[MathBlade]

I mean, you came into this day fully aware that the whole game was going to tunnel you.
Also sorry you're still feeling sick.

Yes.

Which in a game where a majority of people are “shocked” at the flips
Then decide to tunnel me anyways?

I am pointing out this isn’t right.

[MathBlade]

My gut is that this makes the Professor look a lot worse (especially since there is like zero reevaluations after a bunch of incorrect reads in flips), but also I doubt the Dunn kill is about them. I'm running with the assumption that Dunn was the factional kill and not Frog, otherwise the scumteam is playing 5D chess in which case good job.

@Taly because I said I would if Ceph/Frog flipped town. It's also a joke? What a weird thing to get hung up on. Sorry, I'm feeling relatively good because three of my town reads were correct, makes me feel like I have good read on the game after all, something among other things at the end of day 1, I was doubting.

oh im tonedeaf and sleepy oof

I was asking for a lot of things. I put my vote where I thought it should be.

I feel like I was the only one actually sorting while everyone else was yelling.

I owned stock at Waffle House

you had me as theoretical scum though and you voted

ceph

. where was the progression?

Wanted to end the day and someone pretty much said vote Ceph or we start day two doing the same stupidity as yesterday. Ceph was kinda elim de facto anyway hence why I said “Whatever”.

doesn't explain the leap onto

BBT

, or your read on me.

it's very likely scum were on both sides of the gladiate, and

i wonder if ceph was the elimination due to having better reads

outside of his push onto me.

rad/pooky/dp/csf/

luke are townreads

, many others are leans, majority in the PoE.

These thoughts feel incongruent, because I feel like I was the person who caused Ceph to be the elim yesterday.

This may be a self centered view of how the day played out, but from my pov you were going to be elimed, but it was going to take until deadline.

I decided to kill Ceph to end the day faster. He died.

Spoiler:

To be clear, it was not just because I wanted the day to end faster.

I started leaning town on you, and I was less convinced that you were definitively the better elim.

and I was also worried that if you died and flipped town, then there were certain other players that would not let go of tunneling ceph (Drapion lol), so dead town ceph was better for the collective town solving then dead town taly.

ehhhhhh it seemed more collective, i found you being one of the people to counter my points as less likely to be scum trying to chain mislims or pocket whoever could've survived.

pedit

I'd support a Professor wagon, but I would need to check what Gaunine's thoughts are before committing to a vote.
~Cytosine

If this wasn't RH, I would consider this another Red flag post.

then what are you saying here, if not a read on the hydra?

C&G

, are you still post-restricted?

I think yesterday explained my read on you.

My vote on BBT is Ceph Dunn Frog agree BBT scum
Vote BBT scum

[MathBlade]

I mean, you came into this day fully aware that the whole game was going to tunnel you.
Also sorry you're still feeling sick.

Yes.

Which in a game where a majority of people are “shocked” at the flips
Then decide to tunnel me anyways?

I am pointing out this isn’t right.

Excuse you, I am not blindly continuing a tunnel from yesterday, and just naked voting you.

I was calling you town yesterday, and then I decided to vote you today without explanation as to why that read has shifted.

If you want to discredit the votes, at least get it right

smh.

Fine C can vouch I called your vote naked in the hood. Happy?

[MathBlade]

I mean, you came into this day fully aware that the whole game was going to tunnel you.
Also sorry you're still feeling sick.

Yes.

Which in a game where a majority of people are “shocked” at the flips
Then decide to tunnel me anyways?

I am pointing out this isn’t right.

Excuse you, I am not blindly continuing a tunnel from yesterday, and just naked voting you.

I was calling you town yesterday, and then I decided to vote you today without explanation as to why that read has shifted.

If you want to discredit the votes, at least get it right

smh.

Fine C can vouch I called your vote naked in the hood. Happy?

I am confused by this response.

I did naked vote you. It is a factually correct statement. And I never disputed it.

You said I misclassified your vote.

I didn’t. I feel it’s designed to shut me up about bBT.

I feel if anyone scumread me they’d give reasons.

[MathBlade]

I find it funny people are burying my BBT vote and not asking me about it yet naked vote me and like what?

Okay, why are you voting BBT? I can use all the help I can get today.

Vote read check. Cephrir Dunn and Frog all have their own strengths

If BBT is scum then they’re on right path
If on wrong path then scum influence

Good player to solve

[MathBlade]

Well with that info in mind I think it's worth discussing....

DNA posted 101 words by my count. I checked myself five times. I did not include signatures, and I counted the number strings as one word each. I must have a major Blindspot to keep finding an extra word. It's possible. So some other players should count their ISO when they get a moment.

Iirc DNA said they were in the high 90s in the hood. I trust DNA to know their own requirements.

[MathBlade]

To be frank if you don't have some revelation after Dunn, Frog, and Ceph flipped town.
I really doubt that flipping BBT will help you solve the game.

That sounds like a you issue.

I work differently than you.

I find the scum narrative.

Due to all the chaos that’s hard to find.

BBT was mid-low tied in activity. Mutual scumread

Likely flips scum

[MathBlade]

To be frank if you don't have some revelation after Dunn, Frog, and Ceph flipped town.
I really doubt that flipping BBT will help you solve the game.

That sounds like a you issue.

I work differently than you.

I find the scum narrative.

Due to all the chaos that’s hard to find.

BBT was mid-low tied in activity. Mutual scumread

Likely flips scum

Aren't I scum? It's not an issue for me at all from that angle.

?? The you issue is you if town hunt differently than me. If you’re scum you hate I am on BBT.

Either way you issue

[MathBlade]

I kinda want to lim Johnny (I scumread that slot, and Cephrir +1'd my read there, which makes me feel better about it) or MathBlade (Cephrir's best posts were when he was pushing Math imo)

but ngl BBT wagon sounds enticing too

Why were they best? All he did was naked say I am scum.

I am an easy target to hop on to

“Math is scum”

“Why?”

Because Corwin

“Why?”

Because they were inactive

They had RL

Like that’s it

If you’re going to suggest me, come at me

Otherwise let me focus my limited spoons on scumhunting

[MathBlade]

So did you you and math do any solving in the neighborhood or was it just "town that got limmed scum read them and their activity was meh"

We talked back and forth where we could

Overnight admittedly was pretty quiet because covid as I thought someone had said they were going to shoot me so I left last reads for DNA if I died.

[MathBlade]

What's the spread like? Did RH9 post the most?

Mostly guanine by eyeballing it

Too lazy to do an actual count

I don’t remember which head is which I probably could look up a slip and find it but spoons

I think DNA is town and fail to see this as productive

[MathBlade]

We never asked what the penalty was.

Why wouldn't you ask this question...?

@Math did you ever ask them what the penalty was in your PT? If so, how did they respond?

No I didn’t ask them
I was more concerned with devising a way around it so I could read them and get caught up

[MathBlade]

@CSF will respond to that tomorrow

But it’s more Corwin wasn’t active which was already established.

So ?

[MathBlade]

The simpler explanation would be no hood if that's your theory Rad. Which I don't think is unreasonable.

That’s ridiculous.

Why would I fake claim a hood d1?

And SvS is impossible as I am town

[MathBlade]

Was the posting any better in the hood or was it all just...whatever their posts are this game in main thread?
I may never get over some of their posts this game. They seem potentially informed/sarcastic.

C&G’s posting is good? I don’t follow

[MathBlade]

....Why is that ridiculous MB?

Pronoun found. Define “that” please

Lots of ridiculous things have been suggested

[MathBlade]

Why is ridiculous for scum to fake claim being in a neighborhood with another scum in a game in which nobody's roles flip on death?

Because roles are unknown.

Frogster could out a claim

Certain neighborhood invests would out it

Like there’s smart fake claims and dumb ones.

If lying about flavor to boost the claim and a flavor cop exists there’s another

When I play scum I am known for my brilliant uncountered fake claims.

This would be bad and I would never agree

[MathBlade]

@CSF will respond to that tomorrow

But it’s more Corwin wasn’t active which was already established.

So ?

Spoiler:

I don't really think Corwin's body of work looks like scumhunting, it looks more like projecting reads into the thread to look like he's scumhunting

Hey something approaching a reason.

Can you elaborate?

Dude was posting for two people.

Some of it is Ircher/RH9 and some is him.

So yes by fucking definition Corwin was. Congrats!

I don't think this is much of a rebuttal

like 80% of the read has nothing to do with you

I was always going to scumread whoever rep'd into the slot unless they towntold extremely hard cuz Corwin was scummy af

Then you should be able to explain that read

But you haven’t.

uh yea i have

i linked the iso

town!corwin is like a bull in a china shop

he was barely present this game

Again already explained that

Having to play for two people is hard AF

Next

bruh he wasn't even playing for one person

Factually incorrect

Saying this is "factually incorrect" is just unhelpful tbh

But it is factually incorrect

The case relies on faulty assumptions

And as previously established RL

Like it’s just dude wasn’t posting rewritten in a different way

[MathBlade]

Okay those quotes together CSF posted don't look great.

Why?

It’s just the same repeated Corwin wasn’t active

This is just the same repeated recycled bullshit to avoid talking BBT

[MathBlade]

Wake me up when you want to scumhunt or provide actual reasons for scumreading me

[MathBlade]

Okay those quotes together CSF posted don't look great.

Why?

It’s just the same repeated Corwin wasn’t active

This is just the same repeated recycled bullshit to avoid talking BBT

Because what you said isn't consistent.

But it is?

[MathBlade]

Okay how can you say that "of course Corwin looks like he's posting for two people because he is" and then now say "it's established Corwin wasn't active". That's a problem for me because you said he wasn't active and yet you also said he was making an active effort to support DNA?

I think you fail to understand

Corwin had RL and had to post for two people and trying to figure out his own reads.

Sort of like when I opened and hard pushed Bell when I first came in. That was mostly DNA and I saw a post and thought I could see it and pushed

[MathBlade]

Also tbh, your lack of concern that your Hood partner, who in theory is not confirmed to you, broke his post restriction also concerns me!

I'll leave it there though for now.

I have a rule about worry:

If it’s within your control fix it and don’t worry
If it’s not within your control then there is no use in worrying
If it’s possibly within your control and unsure worry and try

The past isn’t within my control.

[MathBlade]

Like I will be anxious as fuck but I then focus on other things but devoting worry is something I won’t do

[MathBlade]

Sees evidence Math is town

Conclusion “But Math could be scum”

Me *blinks*

[MathBlade]

Yes, you have precisely located how the scum team is probably feeling.
The next step:
Who was feeling that way?

*Stares directly at math*

??

We don’t know how the scum team is feeling as we don’t know who they are.

As I said we couldn’t get wagons going yesterday.

People were pushing their own little theories and not talking

I was wagoned because I tried to make people talk.

I was wagoned Corwin wasn’t.

Reason I was a threat to scum

[MathBlade]

Math how are you reading me this game?

I waffle on you.

Your posts (minus the weird intro push) make sense
But I see lots of possible scum motivation in it

[MathBlade]

I think you have the same alignment as BBT

[MathBlade]

I was wagoned because I tried to make people talk.

This is an incredulously bad summary of how your wagon happened.

I don’t think so

I tried to get people to work together

People voted me
I countered the naked repetition of same reasons
Then wagon dispersed

Now today it’s the same thing

I try to start discussion about BBT
Naked votes on me
Already debunked reasons
Leading to repetition

[MathBlade]

I waffle on you.

Your posts (minus the weird intro push) make sense
But I see lots of possible scum motivation in it

"weird intro push" ?

Your first illogical push on me at the start of when I repped in

[MathBlade]

Did anything happen in the PT to reaffirm the read?

It was better, but no. They just picked up a bit in posting.
If you believe in town slips (I don't), they forgot Roden claimed mason.
It'd be funny if Bella and Taly are both town that forgot or didn't see Roden claim.

I think Bella is wolf that didn't see it thus I was hoping no one would mention about her posts so she could respond to the one I gave to them so I can get a better read on them.
Taly is def town, either forgot about them being the mason or forgot about masons entirely.

This is stupid

There’s 5 scum
Surely scum would keep a log of who claims what

[MathBlade]

Let’s just skip to the wagon disperse part and have actual productive conversations about BBT and/or other possible scum slots.

[MathBlade]

To be frank if you don't have some revelation after Dunn, Frog, and Ceph flipped town.
I really doubt that flipping BBT will help you solve the game.

I mean I get Math's point.
Following dead townie's reads is a good play.

But that's all the case really has RN, they are null for me and not a wolf read so unless I get more of a case on them I'm Prob ably not voting there, probably.

I think BBT is pretty scummy

Anyone not posting in the shitshow yesterday deserves a look considering flips

[MathBlade]

Let’s just skip to the wagon disperse part and have actual productive conversations about BBT and/or other possible scum slots.

Sure, why do you find them wolfy?

My number one rule of good scum is when town is miselimming themselves don’t fuck it up.

So that means we need to figure out who was quiet as the yellers are mostly flipped and green.

[MathBlade]

I am analyzing things.

I just don’t start assuming the question.

Information ans analysis are equal.

My point is you can’t assume one way or another

I know I am town

I know because people think I suck I don’t get wagoned unless I am a threat

I didn’t have firm reads so what was I doing

I was unifying town to talk

Therefore I was wagoned for that reason

[MathBlade]

Yes, you have precisely located how the scum team is probably feeling.
The next step:
Who was feeling that way?

*Stares directly at math*

??

We don’t know how the scum team is feeling as we don’t know who they are.

As I said we couldn’t get wagons going yesterday.

People were pushing their own little theories and not talking

I was wagoned because I tried to make people talk.

I was wagoned Corwin wasn’t.

Reason I was a threat to scum

You just did IOA. Except the part where you said " I was wagoned because the scum feared me and my ability to get people to work together. They needed to break cohesion therefore I was pushed."
But your main push yesterday was me which you stated as primarily done not because you personaly thought I was scum but because they did, you were basically acting as a proxy and didn't point the finger at anybody on your own.
Except for today whee you voted BBT for the following case: "I'm sheeping town. They aren't very active" putting you again in the blameless position.

Furthermore it’s not “blameless”

It’s a good point for discussion

If it’s logically sound it’s blameless by definition?

I still take accountability for my push

[MathBlade]

Let’s just skip to the wagon disperse part and have actual productive conversations about BBT and/or other possible scum slots.

Sure, why do you find them wolfy?

My number one rule of good scum is when town is miselimming themselves don’t fuck it up.

So that means we need to figure out who was quiet as the yellers are mostly flipped and green.

"We don't know who the scum are so we don't know how they were feeling" -Mathblade.
"The scum team are quiet because all of the loud people are dead (Luke, Bell, Pooky, Nancy are not loud apparently??) - Also mathblade.

Correct we don’t know who they are so we don’t know what they are feeling as that is individualistic

But we can know general things

As time goes on those general things become specific

The players who were loud were being antitown (Ceph and Frog especially) so they pinged me as scum

Now knowing they’re town I adjust

[MathBlade]

I am analyzing things.

I just don’t start assuming the question.

Information ans analysis are equal.

My point is you can’t assume one way or another

I know I am town

I know because people think I suck I don’t get wagoned unless I am a threat

I didn’t have firm reads so what was I doing

I was unifying town to talk

Therefore I was wagoned for that reason

"If people think I suck, they won't wagon me"
"But I was wagoned therefore I didn't suck and was on the right track. "
The people who wagoned me were: " "
"The scum team thinks I suck, therefore when I was right they thought I would be convincing or be able to turn the game around showing they don't think I suck"
"People think I suck, but they wouldn't go for a miselim on me unless I was right because: ______(free miselims are too good for the scum team this game)?
"I think X and Y are the most suspicious pushers of my wagon"

More that I could turn the game to where people actually talked with each other
Rather than that shit show

But if general sus is kept on me I can’t do that

I don’t get the rest of your post

[MathBlade]

Okay those quotes together CSF posted don't look great.

Why?

It’s just the same repeated Corwin wasn’t active

This is just the same repeated recycled bullshit to avoid talking BBT

Because what you said isn't consistent.

.....
But that is what CSF said.

Math - Bone - Cat

Wolves?

??

Like what?

The thread is using recycled bullshit

I am very consistent

The entire argument is Corwin wasn’t active

And “I don’t understand Math”

Which surprise who does?

When I am intelligible I am more often scum

[MathBlade]

I am going to try to go to bed again and hope people actually talk reads

Rather than repeat the same silliness of d1 and expect different results

Doing the same thing and expecting different results has a definition…let’s call it unintelligence

[MathBlade]

Sees evidence Math is town

Conclusion “But Math could be scum”

Me *blinks*

No evidence was once provided (assuming your referring to my post)

You see Math, the way your wagon was pushed away and the way CSF reacted and how that Taly wagon started still has me uneasy.

The wagon was pushed away was either town realizing it or scum not wanting the heat

That simple.

[MathBlade]

Math, you gave so little of a shit that you voted Taly, vote for a no lim and then voted for Cephirir all while saying you didn't really give a shit and had run out of sppons.

So WAIT?
Potential Comfortable Wolf?

The dude had the nerve to say "evidence that he's town" lol.

??

[MathBlade]

If people think you suck, they will also think over people think you suck and they don't think people will listen to you.
If they don't think people will listen to you, then there's no reason to kill you.
Except scum need miselims and you were a perfectly serviceable one. But your logic is that scum only attack you when you're on the right track.
Or in this case trying to reduce town friction. But they could just be pushing you because you're convenient.

You're saying that you won't point the finger at particular people who wagoned you but that you'll make the general statement that people are scum.
I will point out that this has the angle of not having to deal with omgus.

Scum do need miselims but scum don’t push me for it unless I am being protown

Scum don’t push me for convenience ever

That’s like never a thing. I make scum’s life hard.

I don’t know who of the push on me was scum

I just know it was likely scum motivated (or just Ceph/Frog who hated the idea of working with me but doubt that)

I can know something is scum motivated without The Who.

Sort of like how a detective can come up on a crime scene and know something is odd without knowing the murderer

[MathBlade]

Hello I haven't played for 2 years so I'm a bit rusty and old doge.
So I hope you guys won't mislim me that would be horrible.

I havent read anything yet.
Is there anything I need to know before I start

I would say start from flips and play as you go

Game is too fast to try to read before posting

Mason Roden/Dwlee
Dunn claimed something comfirmable
Frog claimed two shot role cop
Lots of hoods someone has list

C&G and I are in one

[MathBlade]

I am going to try to go to bed again and

hope people actually talk reads

Rather than repeat the same silliness of d1 and expect different results

Doing the same thing and expecting different results has a definition…let’s call it unintelligence

I am talking reads. I'm scum reading you, I made a case.
Good night.

Imho you didn’t

You not understanding me is not a case

It’s you don’t understand me

Which hooray almost impossible

[MathBlade]

I could see it possible scum can’t coordinate based on the lack of wagoning.

I have no reason to think that this is the case?

Scum team is already smaller then it probably should be for a game this size. I would feel pretty bad for them if they also don't even have day talk x.x

I can. I have been scum without daytalk or night talk on MS before. We had to send PMs to the mod. It was a thing.

I could see something similar here.

It’s just really odd in 100+ posts we haven’t had a good wagon besides start of day.

There’s gotta be a reason.

Damn Luke didn’t look hard

Took me 5 seconds

Wow

Read my iso from there

Asking questions about why no wagons working to bring people together

[MathBlade]

Hello I haven't played for 2 years so I'm a bit rusty and old doge.
So I hope you guys won't mislim me that would be horrible.

I havent read anything yet.
Is there anything I need to know before I start

I would say start from flips and play as you go

Game is too fast to try to read before posting

Mason Roden/Dwlee
Dunn claimed something comfirmable
Frog claimed two shot role cop
Lots of hoods someone has list

C&G and I are in one

is the mason thing confirmed?
I'll probably just start reading with isos
from the looks of it I'm pretty sure one of the neighborhoods got wolves so maybe look at their partner when one of them flips town

Mechanically confirmed no, but I find them lying about masons unlikely