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Are we just lol voting math with no replacement or VCS? Isn't this the definition of peer pressure?

P-edit ?

VOTE: mathblade

what changed ur mind LMAO

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i think macaroni is most useful!!

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*sigh*

~GE

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I have minimal faith math flips scum

~GE

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why? it's not like she played a critical part in the decision, unless I'm missing something major?

~ge

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why would you joke about that

~ge

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you can go fuck yourselves

~GE

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I won't have you fuckers thinking it's okay to bully us

~GE

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I won't have you fuckers thinking it's okay to bully us

~GE

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wtf is this about "scum in that game too"
it's not about alignment, it's about it feeling like you're using me or my friends as a punchline/punching bag

~GE

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... pooky literally told you that we were joking.

This is 0% bullying :/

you made a joke
I expressed discomfort at it
you're continuing with the joke

why should I not feel like my feelings are just some plaything to you?

~GE

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Spoiler: instant replay

pretty sure that wasn't the post that sparked my leaving

~GE

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I would like to remind everyone that Gamma is still at E-2 and nobody should put him at E-1 lest he make a fast escape via the window.

I want to see if there are things he will do yet.

I brought it up in that game as well, so you've got very little time to correct your course before I decide to enact Article Zero.

~GE

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I seriously doubt marci would have been offended by any of this dialogue...

I'm gonna stop engaging with you now.

I thought you were better than this.

~GE

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Actually.

It is a perfectly valid function of this game for me to call someone out for their vote. Marci did in fact vite Mathblade.

Even if I was 100% serious, that was something that is absolutely within the bounds of this game.

I do not think it appropriate for you go call that bullying. And if anything, that crosses a line.

And it is just the kicker that it was actually a joke.

Anyways, I hope std locks this thread soon

but you weren't saying it to be serious, were you? you were tagging along on pooky's joke, one that I was not comfortable with. and following my declaration of my discomfort, instead of actually doing anything adult, you opt to double down and call me unreasonable for feeling put down. you sicken me.

~GE

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I don't think it's fair for you to limit my interactions with Marci unless she explicitly makes it clear that I'm not allowed to joke with her

what is this in response to, and I'm not trying to limit your interaction with her at all? I'm just saying to please actually listen when someone expresses that they'd wish for a certain course of action to stop. you can still make jokes, but not ones that feel like someone else is the butt of it. I'm aware I've done the same myself but it was part of the game in a way when I made that sort of joke before, this is just needlessly antagonistic.

~GE

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whatever, y'all are too far up your own asses to actually give me any actual respect.

~GE

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I'm not limiting you at all; go ahead and have your fun.

~GE

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thread needs breathing space it looks like

cytosine why the bluebloodedtoffee vote now?

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wtf does that mean

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has mislim bait done anything interesting at all yet? i dont remember them tbhs

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8245 - this is a surprisingly bad reason for Marci to think that Math is scum lmao

why is it a bad reason wtf

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why does pooky think ur scum

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Pooky is suggesting that I am scum with Math, because for half of day 1 I leaned town on math.

oh

do u trust pooky rn luke?

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wtfs going on

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wtfs going on

Drap tracked Bella to Bell and is claiming macho doc with apparently also being informed that there’s another macho player in the setup.

whats her flavor?

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cant we just ask taly if bell claimed or hinted towards being macho?

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wtfs going on

Drap tracked Bella to Bell and is claiming macho doc with apparently also being informed that there’s another macho player in the setup.

No, I didn't say informed anything.

Not in Portland was doctor, other woman macho. I think not in Portland is Juliet's first focus ep.

So I feel like this would be too random of a thing for Bella to make up for no reason.

But my role pm did not have episode names to describe me. It just said my role.

I kinda believe, regardless of her alignment, her pm probably has that, because there seems to be no reason to just make it up full cloth

But it an odd thing to not be consistent across role pms

Stand by.

~GE

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I just realized that's a really ominous thing to post, I'm not looking to relitigate the end of D2 as of right now.

~GE

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im not trying to kill oth

gamma is capable of faking anger as scum

see slaughter hour

Gamma didn’t fake anything. His anger was still genuine. Your assumption of it impossible for scum to be genuinely upset is wrong.

And Gamma was extremely clearly upset that if Math flipped town, Marci would get blamed for that.

I was trying to find the original post that started this topic off because I thought it had gone unaddressed, but since Pooky added something I'll respond to the latest part of the reply chain I found:
Both Pooky and Nancy's positions here are wack. I'm pretty sure I've iterated multiple times to them that I don't fake emotion as scum, I just angle it differently. To cite events in Slaughter Hour, I was legitimately pissed no one listened to me on Infinity, but towards the end of that event I ceded the point because I knew I could gain sway once my read was proven correct. And the reason why I said both are wack was that in the original post Nancy said my emotion here was genuine, ignoring the above point.
I do have to ask, Pooky, what emotions are you saying I faked that game? To make that accusation with no specificity runs a dangerous line, as I had emotional aftershocks from that game that have lasted until very recently.

~GE

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Wait.

I'm dumb.

I do have that.

Mine just blended in well enough that I didn't realize that is what was happening, even when I was looking for it.

Ignore me

okay never mind the "stand by"
I was gonna say I had it and ask you to double-check
I had to run it by the mod first tho because it felt angle-shooty, but if you're saying it's there then I feel less icky about the subject

~GE

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im not trying to kill oth

gamma is capable of faking anger as scum

see slaughter hour

Gamma didn’t fake anything. His anger was still genuine. Your assumption of it impossible for scum to be genuinely upset is wrong.

And Gamma was extremely clearly upset that if Math flipped town, Marci would get blamed for that.

I was trying to find the original post that started this topic off because I thought it had gone unaddressed, but since Pooky added something I'll respond to the latest part of the reply chain I found:
Both Pooky and Nancy's positions here are wack. I'm pretty sure I've iterated multiple times to them that I don't fake emotion as scum, I just angle it differently. To cite events in Slaughter Hour, I was legitimately pissed no one listened to me on Infinity, but towards the end of that event I ceded the point because I knew I could gain sway once my read was proven correct. And the reason why I said both are wack was that in the original post Nancy said my emotion here was genuine, ignoring the above point.
I do have to ask, Pooky, what emotions are you saying I faked that game? To make that accusation with no specificity runs a dangerous line, as I had emotional aftershocks from that game that have lasted until very recently.

~GE

So then I don’t get it Gamma, what is “whack” about our position?

You're ignoring nuance that I'm 99% sure I've spoken about with you in proximity countless times.

~GE

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Or at least you were in 9855

~GE

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im not trying to kill oth

gamma is capable of faking anger as scum

see slaughter hour

Gamma didn’t fake anything. His anger was still genuine. Your assumption of it impossible for scum to be genuinely upset is wrong.

And Gamma was extremely clearly upset that if Math flipped town, Marci would get blamed for that.

I was trying to find the original post that started this topic off because I thought it had gone unaddressed, but since Pooky added something I'll respond to the latest part of the reply chain I found:
Both Pooky and Nancy's positions here are wack. I'm pretty sure I've iterated multiple times to them that I don't fake emotion as scum, I just angle it differently. To cite events in Slaughter Hour, I was legitimately pissed no one listened to me on Infinity, but towards the end of that event I ceded the point because I knew I could gain sway once my read was proven correct. And the reason why I said both are wack was that in the original post Nancy said my emotion here was genuine, ignoring the above point.
I do have to ask, Pooky, what emotions are you saying I faked that game? To make that accusation with no specificity runs a dangerous line, as I had emotional aftershocks from that game that have lasted until very recently.

~GE

So then I don’t get it Gamma, what is “whack” about our position?

You're ignoring nuance that I'm 99% sure I've spoken about with you in proximity countless times.

~GE

I’m really not following?

In this post:

Nancy talk to me about OTH because they have been sliding in my reads since day 1.

Well, take Gamma’s outburst at the end of d2 for example, where Gamma clearly misread Luke’s and Pooky’s trolling of Marci. Why does scum!Gamma ever flip out like that if Math flips scum? Gamma was clearly worried that they would get run up in the event of a Math townflip.

Gamma is pretty much incapable of faking that level of emotion. OtH is NEVER scum here.

You said "Gamma can't fake these emotions so he's town". The issue is I

rarely if ever

fake emotions as either alignment, so it's a net-zero statement to say I wouldn't fake emotions as scum. Pooky probably got close, I am just a bit triggered by him saying my emotions in Slaughter Hour were fake because as I said, that game actually shook me to my core.

~GE

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I might be missing context actually, I was just going off that last line, but the part before it specifies I was worried about a Math townflip. So the argument you're making is not that I couldn't fake

emotion

, but I couldn't fake

uninformed perspective

like that.

~GE

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Look at it for what? That was a portion of the game that I completely missed

1) Cephrir was diverted from Math. How and why?
2) Was Taly scum as well? That relates to 1.
3) Should we start from the position that D1 Taly's reads were worse or equal for scum than Cephrir?

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Taly was not scum. Math clearly didn’t gaf whether he voted Ceph or Taly.

what threw me off was Math's stance on Taly/Ceph reminded me of his stance on me in PYP
If that hadn't happened I probably would have agreed w marci on mathblade

~GE

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im not trying to kill oth

gamma is capable of faking anger as scum

see slaughter hour

you kinda did??? re: 10179

~GE

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...
I have thoughts but they aren't for here.

~GE

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apparently every role pm has an episode title in it for whatever reason

We have been informed that there is a minimum of 1 vanilla townie in this set up. And they do not have an episode title in their pm.

Which is why people who have not said if they are a VT or not should probably not weigh in on this convo

ah

~GE

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Everybody Hates Hugo

This would mean that episodes are unrelated to the roles actually.

Because that is before it is revealed he can talk to dead people.

Episode titles in role pms appear to just be chosen based on episodes which that character is the pov character for the flashbacks.

But the character flavor matches role ability pretty 1 to 1

I don't really know how well our role ties to our episode but our episode does feature our character prominently.

~GE

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Starting to agree with ceph tbh.

on what?
Also @Rad well, they're neighbors, so roles are at least partly known already

~GE

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do u think bellas fake claiming

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VOTE: Klick

Can someone explain Klick TRs?

I am talking with C&G and we agree on Klick being possible scum.

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yeah honestly taly seems town i think?

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These PRs also useless.

But they're still PRs over a complete unknown in Bell.

do u think looking into nks will help us progress?

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Do you think I'm the only one doing it and do you only have a problem with me doing it?

wow why r u so defensive....
i just noticed you were doing it, do u have any conclusions yet as to why they wanted bell specifically dead?

i dont have a problem with it but i cant tell what ur weighing rn rlly

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C&G is off, but I can smell the fake role posturing from here.
If they're actually just neighbor VT here they're playing exceptionally badly as either alignment.
I'll leave a 0 star review on their yelp page.

Will you be able to talk to Dunn and Frog on day 3?

Potentially one of them. I only have one more shot.

There some reason you didn't find Mala's announcement weird or anything? They claimed they could talk to dead people and only really retracted it a lot later.

Malcolm's pretty focused on a single take at a time. There's less substance an more size to it, like they're ballooning up a post.
Their reasoning is pseudo reasoning because it takes shape in the form of what would be interesting rather than what is likely.

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maybe bell couldve been killed for his reads..?

im not sure like

he had a heavy focus on taly in the start, which makes me want to say taly fucked up in the pt, but then i think deeper, why would a team with taly on it want to so obviously kill bell? like it wouldve just easily pointed towards taly, so i dont really think scum wouldve wanted to go for bell there out of everyone if taly was a scum.

i think maybe those posts i quoted were "interesting" reads bell had though, and I think it could be worth it to look further into them. the malcolm one in particular, while malcolm was being wagoned at the time, the wagoning felt pretty mindless so bell giving an actual reason on malcolm feels a bit more out there compared to some other wagoners. >.>

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VOTE: bella

gamma says that bella being town relies on too many what ifs and i agree

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i wish day was longer honestly, there was something i wanted to like talk about but not outright say

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You do what now

r u actually scum?? enchant CLEARLY wants bella dead why would they redirict it they must be joking

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i wish day was longer honestly, there was something i wanted to like talk about but not outright say

A little late to be saying this lmao

i sorry

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wait for tmmrw ig

its not duper important

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are we mass claiming ? whats with all the claims kekw

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I think taly and c&g town though

if you think this? who du u thinks scum?

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yes, i think based on taly being afk calling them town is too charitable.

c&g i dont really have a read on so im just curious about that one

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im kinda lowkey starting to think malakittens is scum >.>

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i wonder if theres any dead persons role people are currently curious about rn..?

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im kinda lowkey starting to think malakittens is scum >.>

I feel like corwin spewed Mala town personally.

oh where?

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i wonder if theres any dead persons role people are currently curious about rn..?

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do i need to be more obv

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Marci. Are you claiming coroner?

yes

a one shot public one

i want it to be agreed whatll be most helpful to see instead of me just being selfish and doing for my own reads

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Marci. Are you claiming coroner?

yes

a one shot public one

i want it to be agreed whatll be most helpful to see instead of me just being selfish and doing for my own reads

Did you use it on anyone? Hopefully Bell?

uh not yet

btw do you KNOW WHAT PUBLIC MEANS SJDJJWJSJ

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yall will know when its used

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idk about you i would waste coroner on MathBlade.

i wanted to but gammas literally so rude?!?!?!

"dont waste it, its obvious what he is"

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Frog feels like a waste, since he claimed before he died

is dunnstral useful at all even?

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i would laugh if dunnstral was just vt baiting it would be so hilarious

i kinda trust dunnstral wouldnt lie but if everyone else agrees i can just do it

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okay ill do dunnstral then but dont tell gamma i said this im gonna get screamed at for wAsTiNg ThE pR

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Are we just accepting that town have all of - can talk to dead, can role check dead and 1-Shot coroner as well?

This all makes sense to everyone yeah?

do u think malakittens or best bird are lying then?

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dont really have to but i just originally wanted to until i learned there was afull one

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idk about you i would waste coroner on MathBlade.

why do you say "waste"?

~GE

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what's up friends

I am a novice two shot cop

T-Bone & Lukewarm are town

I checked with Dragons I am confirmed sane

ceph just roasted you for this - ngl. i laughed.

Wait. You keep your ghost friends?

I kinda assumed they were good for 1 day only

Nope - I said I had two shots. I get to talk to two people forever and ever and ever in purgatory.

why was cephrir one of your choices?

~GE

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Are we just accepting that town have all of - can talk to dead, can role check dead and 1-Shot coroner as well?

This all makes sense to everyone yeah?

crying about game imbalance comes from scum like 80% of the time

inclined to agree esp w math scumflip

~GE

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My problem with the choice to ghost-neighbor ceph is that it's clear to me from the gladiation proceedings he was operating to feed his own ego vs. to the town's benefit
if his goal was town cohesion, DP should never have been a gladiate option, as far as I'm aware they were not a leading suspect D1.
My choice of ghost-neighbor would be dictated by whether I thought it was a rational voice I would like to have assisting me long-term, and Cephrir kinda proved himself not to be of that caliber.

~GE

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My problem with the choice to ghost-neighbor ceph is that it's clear to me from the gladiation proceedings he was operating to feed his own ego vs. to the town's benefit
if his goal was town cohesion, DP should never have been a gladiate option, as far as I'm aware they were not a leading suspect D1.
My choice of ghost-neighbor would be dictated by whether I thought it was a rational voice I would like to have assisting me long-term, and Cephrir kinda proved himself not to be of that caliber.

~GE

I agree we never should have been an option but Ceph did flip town. so not sure where you’re going with this? And he was the only n1 option. I probably would have waited to use it on either Frogs or Dunn but meh?

yeah out of those first deaths Dunn would have been my pick. I may just be rambling, idk what BB's metric for ghost-neighboring is, just was saying by my own metric Ceph felt like a bad choice.

~GE

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My problem with the choice to ghost-neighbor ceph is that it's clear to me from the gladiation proceedings he was operating to feed his own ego vs. to the town's benefit

He didn't feel confident in his reads and felt the day length was antitown so he polled some town reads on who to gladiate to progress us forward. I don't agree with this comment.

that's not the whole truth tho, he limited his pool to math/johnny/taly/DP
out of those, DP wasn't really a consensus suspect. imo BBT should have been an option rather than DP. I think I recall he was sussing DP so "he didn't feel confident in his reads" comes off as malarkey

~GE

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@Marci

If its not too late, I think you should actually sit on your shot

I kinda think now is a good enough time to use it, but nothing's locked in yet as far as I'm aware

~GE

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i don't see why he had a reason to lie to me in dead chat so.......

shame? idk
I'm just calling things as I see them.

~GE

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I do wear glasses but wtf bro
if I go back and check, and Ceph was SR DP, are you gonna swallow your pride and accept that my view of things is correct?

~GE

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i am wondering if everyone who has claimed their role (Pooky, Mala, Marci) should claim their flavor.

Feels to me like the danger of flavor claiming is letting the scum guess your role, but for them the role is already out there

any flavor buffs know if a soup kill (bonus kill granted to scum that works on anyone they know/can guess the flavor of) makes sense in this theme?

~GE

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No - I'm going to trust the person who actually knows why he did what he did over someone who seems to just want to shit on him.

I think you're just being preferential to your pals rather than actually taking in what makes sense, but w/e, I kinda feel like your goal w 10891 was to start beef so I'm dropping it

~GE

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wtf? I was responding to your comment on my choice?

are you for real?

it seems like that was not what you had in mind at all, because the last line of the post is the one that would have been worth engaging if that was the objective
if the goal was to explain

your

choice, you just had to say "I chose Cephrir for xyz reasons", there was no need to interact with that part of the post

~GE

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@Marci

If its not too late, I think you should actually sit on your shot

i am wondering if everyone who has claimed their role (Pooky, Mala, Marci) should claim their flavor.

Feels to me like the danger of flavor claiming is letting the scum guess your role, but for them the role is already out there

I don't like this game.

Don't worry, I was being pretty cryptic. But at the same time already feel like other people can figure it out.

Make it snappy Mala

Oh lol, I think I’m a freaking genius. Dunn probably vigged Frogs.

Yeah, OtH, Luke is probably right.

@Gamma, @Marci, you saw this right? And Bell still likely neighbour. I wish you guys hadn’t have claimed your role here because I think it’s probably wasted today and you outed for nothing. :/

@Marci.

Because there was a kill save that happened today, I can imagine a scenario down the line where scum fake claim the doc that saved who ever was killed today. Being able to check a dead townie that we did not learn their role before they died, feels like a useful thing to keep on hand to discourage them from trying that.

This feels more useful then checking Dunn currently.

If there is a better choice that comes up, then sure. We can look into it.

daniel

and yeah it isnt too late since i choose at night, i just claimed cuz i thought i was the only corner and thought this info would be useful to work with but guess not lol.. so everyone wants me to hold back?

i will be home soon and ill read lukes enchant case again then and think about it!!

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yeah why hasnt enchant claimed yet thats so sus

gamma think rad is scum tho so idk what we gon do

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We were told not to use it yet? Like wtf?

~GE

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@Marci.

Because there was a kill save that happened today, I can imagine a scenario down the line where scum fake claim the doc that saved who ever was killed today. Being able to check a dead townie that we did not learn their role before they died, feels like a useful thing to keep on hand to discourage them from trying that.

This feels more useful then checking Dunn currently.

If there is a better choice that comes up, then sure. We can look into it.

Yeah Mala, you wanna maybe slow your fucking roll?

~GE

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I don't find rad scummy, I think if rad is scum nking luke would not be the move since it would so obviously point towards them.

I think I'm pretty interest in bluebloodedtoffee right now, their wagon just keeps gettjng built up and going nowhere which I think is a sign they have buddies working with them behind the scenes to help push the wagon away.

i havent talked with gamma for a phat while, and i dont plan to i think shes PISSED at me.

I'm also now wary of johnny and he knows why. I think he could be scum here : DD

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Would it, though, given the logic here dictates Rad would be unlikely to do it? Luke is a strong town-player and was basically confirmed town. Rad (or anyone who Luke suspected) can surely argue away that scum would want Luke out the game because it's ultimately always going to be beneficial for them.

Why are you wary again re Johnny? I thought we were pretty solid on Johnny being town now post-D2?

from what im gathering, i think rad is slightly still in the noob stage so i think they would be more worried about appearances and not think through 100% what they could do to fix it.

im wary of johnny because of a mini normal that just finished where he was scum imo it seems pretty similar to his play here

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has malcom ever gave a tier list

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Did you think you were playing scummy here too?

I just won a game as scum and I'm not acting much different here. If I'm breaking a rule talking about it I can stop now

is this a scumclaim lol

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wow a 12 person poe in a 18 alive list how heroic of you

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OTH

, why are you a bad elimination?

a) we’re a one shot public coroner, so let us use that first (and btw I reread and it’s night-only, not any time as initially believed
b) I think there is a decent number of TRs on us as a result of some stuff I posted EoD2 (I actually have a thing I could bring up regarding that but whether I care to mention it depends on what Pooky does going forward)

~GE

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i have experience with

gamma

and

marci

and im weary of that slot

so how are you meta-reading

OTH

as town,

nancy

?

This felt weird to me and I think I can place my finger on why: I think my scumplay in the last 2 games Taly saw it, while good enough to fool her in the moment, should be retrospectively evident as me basically employing some of the same mindset in both games. In both of them I basically was playing with house money early on, taking wild swings with my play that technically didn’t pay out in one and maybe paid out in the other. So idk I feel like Taly should be able to draw a solid conclusion of her own on me here.

~GE

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r u going to like scumcase someone or what dude

Malcolm's doing the same scummy shit that I pointed out before. Go read that.

Mala's playing infinitely different than the newbie 2095 game and doesn't have a mason claim to back it up.

Pick one.

I just had a synapse fire upon seeing this
The fact that a) Roden is playing vastly different to one of his town games according to Rad and b) he’s a claimed mason immensely legitimizes his mason status too me. Last time I played with mason!Roden he vastly overplayed his informed status and made me heavily SR him.

~GE

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Ftr I think Mala and BB are prolly both town. We knew dead folks could do some business from the jump, so both their claims come off as too ballsy for scum

butterflies
Taly
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Rad
RCEnigma
Mislim Bait
Cytosine and Guanine
Cat Scratch Fever

We're getting there people

CSF has some words for you.

Oh has this already been discussed? This game is long

Wanna try reading our posting from yesterday+today again, fool?

~GE

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Wanna try reading our posting from yesterday+today again, fool?

I believe your claim the most, but it has less utility for scum if kept secret

Why are we in your PoE then?
VOTE: johnnyfarrar
This stays until you rationalize this.

~GE

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Why are we in your PoE then?

Because you could be scum WITH that role

And why couldn’t the same apply for either of Mala or BB? Yes I recognize you stated those roles might be better to keep secret but I think I recall some instance of scum having a role like BB’s and using it to great effect. I think the scum utility of such a role might hinge somewhat on the reveal of it.

~GE

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Like BB says they have a role that lets them talk to the dead. Privately.
Either A) they're scum making that up and opening themself up to CC or B) they're scum WITH that ability and let the whole town know for no reason instead of using it in secret for whatever the hell they want.

Honestly a scum role that can communicate with the dead serves basically no purpose if kept secret unless used on scum partners, but why would anyone do that unless the first scum to die was the nose experienced by a mile?

~GE

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I try not to let scum influence my thoughts, you know?

PEdit - Malcolm, you're allowed to reverse your town read on me (I am voting you after all!). You didn't answer me when I asked why you were so sure I was town and that post looks like the start of you reversing the read.

So you don’t try to read into scum’s interactions with other players at all?
Seems like a dipshit philosophy.

~GE

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yall can take a look into me if u want, just lmk if u have any questions im happy to answer

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eh im mid, ive had a sense of dread all today its sorta like i dont wanna do anything anymore, i dont wanna go to work tmmrw, but theres nothing i enjoy doing otherwise so im just wasting time

hbu?

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OOOO a birthday : OO

happy birthday to them!! it must be so nice now that everythings opened up

what sorta cake u got?

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Think it’s a scum role but whatever

i wanna know why u think this and how u think it would be a useful role for scum at all?

u seemed to trust us yesterday phase but today its like a switch flipped, what happened?

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I LOVE ICECREAM CAKE ITS SO DELICISH

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I like Rad, so I'm trying to figure out what's bothering me about them today, and I think it comes down to a poor response to pressure l, like Tbone said. Ima dive a lil here, then move onto nancy

i like them both tho i dont really know nancys scum meta well : 3

gamma has expressed some doubts at some points but it seems like its like fade in fade out sort of shit

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why are we trying to make decisions based on roles clashing eachother when roles dont = alignment?

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sounds just like easy shade LMAO

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i think malcoms town i dont understand the shade there

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im not interested in a malcolm wagon tho :/

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johnny

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This is assuming oth doesn't have a role where the mod announces the result. I can't remember if that's the case with oth's outted role.

"one shot public corner" is my role

do you know what public means :rosejudge:

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Hmm.
VOTE: Malcolm

i dont think hes scum

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i dont see how this could EVER come from scum

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Did Mala ever claim an action for last night?

~GE

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Actually, OTH is your role a night action? Also does it reveal the information you learn publicly or just that the shot was used?

yes,

we choose somebody at night and then at day dragons posts their role in thread.

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we got prodded so ill see u guys after work (finger guns here cuz im cool)

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Imma be real this game is getting real hard to follow or be engaged with
I plan to pop our ability tonight and afterward if y’all wanna yeet us that’s fine
So if there’s someone we’d like to verify that’s still living, that might be a good vote today?

~GE

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I’ll let Marci steer our vote today because I made that last post despite heavy protest

~GE

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is there anything clearing cat scratch
i love them!

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Imma be real this game is getting real hard to follow or be engaged with
I plan to pop our ability tonight and afterward if y’all wanna yeet us that’s fine
So if there’s someone we’d like to verify that’s still living, that might be a good vote today?

~GE

Well if it’s someone already dead, I’d probably do Dunn.

I have a different idea depending on if a certain vote-out occurs
Well, I’m very likely interested in targeting 1 person no matter what happens but if a certain person flips town I’m interested in checking them instead.

~GE

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Drap bbt Nancy is the sexy scum team non of us saw coming

I have a theory that one of these is correct at least

~GE

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Why does Drap (and the scum team) throw Bella under the bus?

My theory actually covers that!

~GE

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Drap is a scum badass. I read a scum game of his at beginning of this game. He takes charge and I can see him coming up with a scum master plan involving bussing everyone. Given the right team I can see it here.

I also try my hardest to ignore crazy ideas so I'm just letting drap be the masterful town scum hunter here.

Please vote in the top wagons, absolutely not drap lol

Oh no I’m not down to vote Drap today, because this theory involves someone else Drap has tied himself to. THAT is the vote I want today.

~GE

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Mala Malcolm or bbt please

vote johnny or go away

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Gamma with some saucy shit.

It's not me or Drap though.

It’s 1,00,000,000% never me.

*swats Gamma*

I never said I thought it was you. CHILL. Get mad at BBT if you wanna be mad at somebody.

~GE

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Mala Malcolm or bbt please

vote johnny or go away

johnny isn't going through today...choose someone else among the three actual wagons

no thank you < 3

i want johnny gone try asking gamma if ur serious abt this CUZ IM NOT MOVING
THIS IS DEADASS A COPY PASTE OF THE MININORMAL YOU CLOWN

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Don't get mad at me.

Oh I would have preferred Nancy actually figure out who I meant by just reading forward but she’s giving ME crap for a post YOU made. So no, you should be catching shit!

~GE

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Game got fun again suddenly so that's cool

THIS IS DEADASS A COPY PASTE OF THE MININORMAL YOU CLOWN

i know not what this means

check it out

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the game

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Don't be like that, Gamma.

I've had more than my fair share of shit this game. Someone else's turn

Yeah that’s a bad mindset too
No one should have to catch shit in a perfect game. Eye for an eye is not valid.

~GE

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the game

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89657
This game, fyi

~GE

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Gamma with some saucy shit.

It's not me or Drap though.

It’s 1,00,000,000% never me.

*swats Gamma*

I never said I thought it was you. CHILL. Get mad at BBT if you wanna be mad at somebody.

~GE

Well the way you phrased that made me seriously wonder. So, I’m assuming you must mean BBT then? Since I really think Drap is obvtown here.

While I don’t have an answer to why he treated Enchant’s claim in C9++ and Bella’s claim here differently, his attitude feels remarkably similar so I kinda think BBT is more likely town here

~GE

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I might as well lay it out though. Drap calling Johnny a doctor makes me think he has too much info because I have a protective role and claimed to have one to Johnny early. I said I protected Drap after the Bella flip. There's a paranoid part of me that Johnny and Drap have been discussing these things in a Mafia PT, leading to Drap calling Johnny a doctor in this thread.

OH. This changes things potentially.
I thought Luke might be doc and PD or some other scum has a role that allows them to know the role of the kill from each night. That would lead to PD trying to pass off JF as town doc.
I think this new info makes us hipfiring our role tonight less advisable.

~GE

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reasons for voting Mala

scummy

for voting BlueBlooded.

meanie

Idk if I entire agree w Mala being scummy but like, truuuu

~GE

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Anyways do me a favor after I’m dead pls look at OTH: my townread decreased on that slot over the last few days (not RT days)

i have yet to see a reason why

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mayvbe\

wjhere vc

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Above is ~GE just for consistency

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I mean - I love pooky but that’s not 100% clearing. Just remember that for later game.

ngl I think the fact both of pooky's clears died back-to-back might actually clear him because why not keep around one as a pookit

~GE

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Off the hook did you guys use your night action?

No
I kinda rubberbanded into not wanting to use it after my theory about Luke being doc got debunked. Also Luke was like the only worthwhile check, I think it’s fair to assume Dunnwas the vig and everyone else dead either disclosed stuff about their role or had been checked by Mala.

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~GE

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I’m trusting my town partner who is making a compelling case.

Also, Rad would have been a good N1 target for a fake/maf doc given how he was being read at the end of D1.

Mala confirmed Bella was scum macho doc. You mean Ceph?

No, I’m talking to Luke. What I said was scum!Rad would have been a good visit for Scumdoc!bella given how day 1 ended. Investigative would have seen her visit Rad which wasn’t a kill and who was highly townread.

Meaning - it’s not clearing at all.

I feel like Nancy should be able to process this from personal exp but we’ll see what happens

~GE

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if rad scum actually get nailed here for making up some bullshit about a game he never read i'm going to laugh so fucking hard

Big ThorHead Hours

~GE

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Luke has a wiki with 1 scum game listed, so it was probably this one:

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=86874&user_select[]=35542

I remember absolutely nothing about it beyond his effort level

Yeah it was that one. I remember STD being the partner.

Wasn’t that the one where he was guiltier night 1? Seems an odd game to pick out as Luke being “disgustingly good”

Guilties care not for the skill level of the scum they screw over

~GE

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Dunn also pretty obv wanted frog iirc

You should have chosen Frog to talk more about Pooky .


Eh, anyways what role was Luke?

Neighbor. That’s it.

Oh yeah that’s right

~GE

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OtH, I still don’t understand the TR, is it just based on meta?
@butterflies

???
This looks like you’re asking us a question but the @ throws me off

~GE

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I’m trusting my town partner who is making a compelling case.

Also, Rad would have been a good N1 target for a fake/maf doc given how he was being read at the end of D1.

Mala confirmed Bella was scum macho doc. You mean Ceph?

No, I’m talking to Luke. What I said was scum!Rad would have been a good visit for Scumdoc!bella given how day 1 ended. Investigative would have seen her visit Rad which wasn’t a kill and who was highly townread.

Meaning - it’s not clearing at all.

I feel like Nancy should be able to process this from personal exp but we’ll see what happens

~GE

Can you please elaborate on this? I’m really not following?

Remember the logic GiF gave for why a scum bg existed in FFXIV? That’s what I’m referring to.

~GE

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What BB is saying is Bella being seen as not visiting a kill would get her TR. That’s the same logic to why GiF put in a scum bg into his game. So I think, us being kinda exposed to that rationale by being that role in that game, we should understand how that logic works.

~GE

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dont think rad or malcolm are scum

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johnny

(also happy birthday bestie)

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~GE

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VOTE: Rad
I don’t feel that confident he’s scum but given he’s the sole wagon I think resolving him is fair.

~GE

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VOTE: johnny

malcolm doesn't seem like he would be scum, why would he keep posting after the wagon keeps coming back to him..? its clear hes just town trying to leave last reads.
if he's scum hes just leaving lots of info for us to find his partners from.
town is sooooo much more likely here.

rad is town too, hes too motivated to be scum IMO.

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okay i'll force the use of it tonight HOJHIDFS whenever i suggest using it gamma keeps saying no but ill slide it in so it isn't noticed GIEUORFJ

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wha tthe heckles

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i typerd it and it disappeared into the void

i think whoever replace rce
i think that slot has high likelihood

also maybe pooky <.<

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there's no reason for a scum!Malcolm to give up and stop posting.

clearly if hes scum hes doing a very terrible job!! he keeps getting attention back to him
i don't think its likely hes scum

he keeps giving reads, on the chance the wagon goes through theres so much to analyze
i think his partners wouldve told him to shut up.

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i think rce claim was pretty useless, it didn't really do much imo to either confirm or deny them. considering you and blueblooded (if you guys are being truthful) there was multiple things that could've happened that night, and the slot wasn't a huge target so I feel as if they were trying to create a false positive to ride on. i don't feel like rce was trying to bait scum into eating their vest, i don't really remember much of what they've done so I don't think they were actively trying to play to be a big threat to scum.

i think pooky hasn't really been playing the game, other than to start fights.
like the fight with rad? i feel like that was something pooky purposefully meant to do so that it would cause noise in the thread so that his partners could hide behind that. The fights pretty useless imo, and it seemed like it more seemed to be annoyance than game related at all.
I also think its valid for pooky scum to kill his checks so that that creates a false positive as well.

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How is this a real read?
"He keeps posting when he gets wagoned so he's town"

how is anything you've posted real content??!?!??!

stop making me feel like an idiot honey xoxo im trying my best

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see i dont see why malcom would effort this hard if hes scum

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i wanna call pooky fake but its just a general feeling and idk what specifically made me feel that way

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why

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@OtH - Luke says you should target Rad on a scumflip (obviously) or T-bone if Rad flips town.

Noted
Btw

Cat Scratch Fever

pls don't JK us tonight since idk if that'll waste the ability

~GE

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yall we forgot to do our na

LOL I WAS TOO BUSY IM SORRY ITLL HAPPEN TONIGHT

VOTE: malcolm
i think csf jailing him and there being no kill is pretty damning.

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to be fair, gammas barely been present this game

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idk u can ask gamma about that then
maybe gamma just doesnt like this game LOL it is pretty hard

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we will use it tonight then : P

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why would we die..? we're obv sus because of a promise we didnt follow thru with.. why would scum wanna kill us?

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yall we forgot to do our na

LOL I WAS TOO BUSY IM SORRY ITLL HAPPEN TONIGHT

VOTE: malcolm
i think csf jailing him and there being no kill is pretty damning.

VOTE: OtH

Yeah that's a real bruh moment

But still, i doubt scum tried to kill drapion last night since he's the obvious doc target

so then did they kill malcolm..?

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Gamma has been present on site though so...

yeah, well I can for the most part run my thoughts thru marci here, so suck it

idk u can ask gamma about that then
maybe gamma just doesnt like this game LOL it is pretty hard

I don't feel like the game being hard is the right reason for my being checked out
it's more that I'm emotionally exhausted and don't want to risk further distressing myself

~GE

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Unless you forget...or are dead

this is a dumbass thought, specifically the us being dead bit
the scum RB is dead so on the off chance CSF is somehow scum JK here, they can't block and kill us, so our ability should go off even if we die tonight
so the only way being dead is an issue is if dumbfucks like you decide to derail things into voting us out!

~GE

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I also find it pretty hard to believe both marcistar and Gamma forgot to use their ability, but I am also willing to give them one (and

only

one) more night to prove their claim.
~Cytosine

i struck out in an all stars game recently im THAT forgetful

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am i not pretty??>>??<>?><^*%>??<>??

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There are literally two of you...

Yeah and we both agreed to target T-Bone but neither of us sent the action, probably because we assumed the other would

~GE

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@OtH - Luke says you should target Rad on a scumflip (obviously) or T-bone if Rad flips town.

Noted
Btw

Cat Scratch Fever

pls don't JK us tonight since idk if that'll waste the ability

~GE

This stays the same except replace Rad with Malcolm. Scum flip, you’re on Malcolm. Town flip, you’re on T-bone. If you “forget” again, I will tunnel you for eternity.

Alright

~GE

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Probably Off the Hook too given scum can multitask.

Wouldn’t be a problem if Drapion had TRACKED US LIKE HE WAS

ASKED TO!!!

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VOTE: Drapion
Fuck everything, I want this man DEAD! He is not playing his role to town’s benefit AT ALL imo.

~GE, last one was me as well

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BlueBloodedToffee has died.

BlueBloodedToffee was

Spoiler:

town

MalcolmTucker's role was:

Spoiler:

Michael



You are mafia. Your mafia PT is located here: XXXXXX

(Adrift) If Walt is eliminated by the vote, you will gain the ability to kill any player that voted for Walt immediately after, before night occurs.
(Special) You are in a neighborhood with Walt. Your neighborhood is located here: XXXXX

You win with the mafia, when they achieve parity with the town or nothing can prevent this from happening.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to yeet. Day 8 starts now and ends in (expired on 2022-09-09 12:00:00)

Can we assume Walt isn't town here since they should've claimed being in a hood with Malcolm?

Who tf is Walt? Are you even following the game? Luke was Malcolm’s neighbour, lmaooo

Guess Walt is Luke’s flavor
Can you verify this, Best Bird?

~GE

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Oh I thought C&G was saying they had us in their PoE for that reason
Still think Drapion’s tracks suck ass throughout the entire game but apologies to C&G for being pissy

~GE

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@OtH
I have a theory that if C&G is wolf they didn’t have a Neighbourhood with Math so use your ability on math tonight.

We already used our one charge, dumbass. Really convenient you didn’t track us the one night it would have mattered!

~GE

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Tracking us would have cleared some paranoia from multitasking suggestions

~GE

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Also, I want to remind everyone that this game has a bastard element. I'm not sure that we've seen that element yet. I have a theory (that I'm not sharing), and it would explain why the game is classified as bastard.
~Cytosine

I’ve been assuming talking to people that have already been killed/flipped was that element, but I’m happy to hear why that’s not the case and something else is.

You think that would qualify as a bastard mechanic?
I have seen multiple instances of the dead being able to influence the game after their deaths, and they have come with a spectrum of mod disclosure
I feel like it wouldn’t get this “ooh there’s this SpOoKy BaStArD eLeMeNt that you don’t get to know outright but it will only have a minor impact”

~GE

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VOTE: ProfessorDrapion
Pretty sure it’s him and Johnny.

~GE

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k - not sure how you extraploated that to we stopped talking completely then

ftr I see how the mistake was made
“Discussion for post-game” probably has to do with it

~GE

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If I have to point out the exact things that makes me think it’s Drapion+Johnny rn I will

~GE

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Legit confused why there has yet to be a hammer.

It’s because Johnny wants to bluster about doubting Drapion but clearly is averse to pulling the trigger because they’re scumbuddies

~GE

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What even is the case for Drap and Johnny scum???

They both have acted like they’ve been doubting each other but with minimal tangible proof of such
Drapion gave the most token “I could be wrong on Johnny” comment possible, and Johnny said some shit about not wanting to vote Drapion but feeling obliged to despite not actually voting there

~GE

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he literally gave us a red check on someone who flipped town

and you're advocating

to

not

kill him


so

why the fuck

would he give a shit

about giving you

a green check

you don't understand it
it doesn't matter if he lied if he's the last wolf alive
if he's town and faked a guilty in a world where there's only 1 wolf alive then its 100% game throwing no room for any fancy play there

Let me put it this way:
If you enforce your will here and Drapion is scum, you’re giving him carte blanche to scumclaim as hard as he wants with the guarantee that at least one dumbass will defend him

~GE

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What even is the case for Drap and Johnny scum???

They both have acted like they’ve been doubting each other but with minimal tangible proof of such
Drapion gave the most token “I could be wrong on Johnny” comment possible, and Johnny said some shit about not wanting to vote Drapion but feeling obliged to despite not actually voting there

~GE

how is anyone supposed to give more than minimal tangible proof when they dont talk?

?

~GE

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Hm
I wonder; did any one slot specifically benefit from Drapion’s fake guilty?
I’ve been thinking about how his gambit could have been better if only 1 scum was alive and then it came to me that maybe Drap decided to make a saving throw for his scum partner. If he’d done a play like that as last scum alive it could have been the game-losing misplay, so it could have been that he had to do it before his last partner got sunk.

~GE

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thats the argument that makes keeping him not worth it even if he is potentially a cop in elo. because if he's a cop in elo and lies to us, we lose. and because he lied, we can't trust him anymore because he isn't playing to wincon.

my mind go boom. crazy stuff. i dont think i've ever thought about this that way before.

I think you’re overthinking and underthinking simultaneously.
You realize if Drap game throws like that, it’s game-losing, right? Like, the damage is fucking done. Why are you willing to play with fire like this? It doesn’t matter that we can’t trust him after he lies in ELo. ELo stands for Eliminate (scum) or LOSE. So a mistake at that point, there’s NO SECOND CHANCES!

~GE

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drap is a different story but drap is a strange player so its not easy to read into it anyways

wut? What authority are you speaking with to say Drap is a strange player?

~GE

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Then why aren’t you hammering, or at the very least saying that to MLB in a manner that effectively conveys the urgency of the issue?

~GE

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we didn't, I asked marci and she said she never does it when she doesn't have a NA

~GE

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did i miss it, how is miselim bait cleared?

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im fine with the current poe, ive been sus of johnny for awhile and i think itsnonly strengthened.

taly slot can die for all i care. nothing seems memorable when i think about that slot.

i know im town, if im the chosen elimination so be it.
what worries me is who was miscleared if its only one of the ppl in miselim baits poe..? is it butterflies or miselim bait..? i feel miselim bait would be the one but i wanna see what theyve been cleared for since i clearly missed that.

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But still why Pooky > Roden who’s confitown?

i agree with this
its a huge wtf moment but since when did scums kills ever make sense? i hope they explained it in their pt so i can see after game ends otherwise im convinced its rnged most of them.

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were scum that comfortable with rodens reads..?

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i forgot best bird was a thing?

maybe we should just do johnny. i think he makes sense as partnered with most people + hes by far the most scummy.

idk what gamma thinks of taly slot. this is my first time seeing the legendary noraa and idk how to read them.. kinda starstruck rn //

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wasnt the noraa hammer pretty weird though ://

it seemed like noraa was defending drapion but then they just switched up and hammered??

maybe im just overthinking things