Warrior Cats Mafia [Game Over!]

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Hello to my fellow cat friends

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I’m gonna catch up

But probably not tonight because I have homework to do and my bus didn’t arrive for 45 minutes

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UNVOTE:

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Catching up

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I’m gonna post my conclusions and a read list when I’m done

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By page 20 I’m strongly scumreading Datisi, Mistyx is scummy, Val is moderately scummy, Dann and Norwee are mildly scummy

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I can elaborate if people want but I don’t want to keep bringing up stuff mentioned 20 pages ago.

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T3 has posts

i don't think they're particularly good ones but i'll give him time

Once I get to the more recent pages I’ll actually start talking about what’s going on

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I will say that T3 feels the most underwhelming content-wise in our hood overall when comparing all players.

They're catching up.

How do you know that is what they are doing or that’s what i meant?

Well given that I said that I was catching up multiple times

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does T3 tend to struggle as scum

bc they're kind of reminding me of myself when i sub in as scum

These are my most recent scum games.
Subbed in on mid-day 1: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89739
Played from start: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89796

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I will say that T3 feels the most underwhelming content-wise in our hood overall when comparing all players.

They're catching up.

How do you know that is what they are doing or that’s what i meant?

Well given that I said that I was catching up multiple times

It’s what you’re saying based on catchup that i find underwhelming.
Them defending you because you’re catching up seems both out of tune and kinda like talking on your behalf which is questionable.

I see what you mean. I have notes and reads on nearly every player that I haven’t posted in-thread.

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Spoiler: all my notes so far

catboi isn’t scum with Charloux, catboi might not bring Charloux’s post up. catboi is scum with Charloux because catboi defends Charloux while pushing him. Pay more attention to this slot.

Charloux is scum because of the ‘slip’ and Charloux tries to deflect the accusations by attacking Frozen Angel’s sense of humor. Charloux is clearly claiming pr, but Titus doesn’t like it. But maybe it’s an error of judgement by Charloux that’s unrelated to the game. Not much content from Charloux since then that I like, one post pinged me as bad.

Titus could have had a legit townslip with the whole protector thing?

Dannflor can’t detect tone. Dannflor saying Datisi’s vote is good is weird. Dannflor has weird voting patterns.

Datisi scumreading Frozen Angel for over explaining her vote is weird because Frozen Angel simply wasn’t doing that. Datisi’s explanation boiled down to him saying things that other people have already said in the thread.

Mistyx is scummy. She’s saying that things are arbitrary but not actually offering her own suggestions as to what the thread should be talking about. 452 is also scummy because it’s questioning mech stuff that isn’t public. Also her asking why mastina’s Norwee vote is the only vote Norwee cares about is bad because mastina was leading the wagon. 601-609 progression is bad. Her questioning of KT is good and displays clear scumhunting.

S_S had generally good observations but nothing concrete from that.

fireisredsir scummy that he said Datisi and Marashu are the same level of scummy, didn’t distinguish, implies an underlying agenda

Val is scummy because of his Alisae read. Discrediting Alisae’s push by attacking the premise of the push but not responding to the point. Val found some of the same posts as me to be good and persuasive. Val’s reevaluation tracks

Alisae goodvibes BUT looks like Alisae is trying to pocket norwee. No Alisae isn’t?

Bell’s case on Datisi is good. 449 from Bell is very towny, it shows that he’s actually reading the game with intent to get reads and is a post that scum might not think to fake.

BEAR’s point about Datisi is good and from my past experience with Datisi I agree with it. Points look organic

Mastina post 572 is horrible and very scummy. Writes off Alisae/Norwee as not being s/t and Alisae being town for bad reasons. Nothing to suggest that Alisae’s strong reaction isn’t towny, town will get annoyed if someone is scumreading them for dumb reasons. Mastina also doesn’t engage with the content of Val’s post. Mastina’s tone feels different to the last time I played with scum!mastina but it’s also been a while.

KT is scum. He doesn’t engage with the reasoning as to why people are voting him, he instead says that one-liners are scummy meanwhile people are voting him for his half-baked reasoning. KT also says that people aren’t looking at the motivations of his posts when they are. KT saying that Alisae’s vote is OMGUS is really bad.

Shiro I agreed with some of her points about the Mastina/Alisae/Norwee spat

Norwee: whether Alisae is town or scum, her read on Norwee always comes from a genuine place. Not sure if I trust Alisae to read norwee correctly tho

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How do you propose I show life?
I’m on page 43, and I’m actively taking notes. The notes I posted on thread was the raw document of notes, I planned to clean it all up and post it in thread when I’m done.

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The Datisi one is at least more relevant in the fact that several people are scumreading Datisi so I could see town making that defense but the placement of it in the rest of his body of work still feels unnatural to me - it feels more broadly like he's positioning himself to be 'correct' on Datisi rather than doing anything else.

can you elaborate on this? what exactly is unnatural about it? why am I positioning myself to be "correct" on datisi vs someone like alisae. I feel like if that were the case I would've been largely defending datisi from the beginning?

those posts came about because I finished reading at 2 am and decide my time was best spent putting the reads I felt strongest about into words

Like, sigh, okay, you can say that. Maybe it's true, maybe it isn't, I can't really tell. I just read that post and feel an inherent distrust for that read because of the effort proprtionate to it over hunting for scum. My feeling is that scum are

more

likely to make a big show about defending townreads? Because they particularly want credit for it and if they ever flip people are often going to go after level 0 associatives and yeet the person the scum was defending.

Do you think this applies to Alisae and Norwee?

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I have an important announcement.

Due to things that have come to light and

Unforeseen Circumstances

, we as the wind clan have come to a decision that we must act with quick haste.
In part of this decision, we will now attempt to back the following motion.

VOTE: T3

It gets better if you vote him before he shows any signs of life

These reasons are questionable at best.

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I’m on page 43, and I’m actively taking notes.

actively taking notes while what people are posting in real time?

Yes. And when I am mostly caught up, I will start posting in real-time too.

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i quoted that like an hour ago for a post i ended up not making

hmmmm I wonder if that's +scum

It’s definitely +scum for me

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Might as well disclose it since scum likely know by now.
Titus joined Wind Clan and I asked in wind clan if we could potentially flashwagon T3 since I townread everyone else in hood. This makes sense since we were talking about if there was scum in the hood and I thought if there was scum in our hood its probs just T3.
Norwee agreed with the idea so I went with it. I obvs couldn't get to check in with Val or Shiro about it since time was kind off of the essence. It was an idea worth trying because maybe if we did say eliminate T3 and flip him before he could tell scum that Titus joined Wind Clan, that would be a huge edge to have over scum. This is assuming he does flip scum ofc.

Did Titus agree to this? Or was "we as the wind clan" just you and Norwee?

Alisae and Norwee were the primary drivers of it, but Val thought I was the weakest slot in the hood. Idk about Titus.

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VOTE: Kitty
Norwee abandon ship

Opportunism. Scum.

Why do you think that Alisae’s vote on you was opportunism, but Dannflor’s vote wasn’t? He abandoned the mastina wagon to vote you for seemingly no reason.

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Especially because Dannflor expressed significant doubt about the wagon on you multiple times before voting you, and you even quoted a post from Dannflor in the same post that you called Alisae opportunist, so you clearly saw Dannflor’s vote and doubt about the wagon on you.

If anything, Dannflor was more opportunist than Alisae. Alisae strongly scumread you and got into a conflict with you, expressing very little doubt as to your alignment. So, Alisae’s vote on you can be explained as town voting a scumread because there are more votes on the scumread, but Dannflor’s vote can be explained as inconsistent scum voting a limbait.

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Val thought I was the weakest slot in the hood

I don't recall saying this...

I misremembered I think

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Especially because Dannflor expressed significant doubt about the wagon on you multiple times before voting you, and you even quoted a post from Dannflor in the same post that you called Alisae opportunist, so you clearly saw Dannflor’s vote and doubt about the wagon on you.

If anything, Dannflor was more opportunist than Alisae. Alisae strongly scumread you and got into a conflict with you, expressing very little doubt as to your alignment. So, Alisae’s vote on you can be explained as town voting a scumread because there are more votes on the scumread, but Dannflor’s vote can be explained as inconsistent scum voting a limbait.

I read this post and I don't know how you feel about Dann and Alisae.

I noticed KT’s post about Alisae’s opportunism, noticed Dannflor’s vote, and looked more into it and noticed Dannflor’s weird progression. I think the whole thing is a bit scummy for Dannflor and not scummy for Alisae.

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Are we absolutely sure that executioner isn’t an possible role in this game?

It is mod confirmed there are no third-party roles.

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I think there was a whole discussion about it on page 20 or so when Titus claimed stray and people thought she was 3p.

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Skimming through Bell’s ISO in Lost, his vote was all over the place and he rarely gave context, so his vote moving all over the place is NAI.

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I’ll be gone for most of tonight.

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FINALLY CAUGHT UP

readlist incoming

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[quote="In post 5, Ydrasse"]

VOTE COUNT 1.0

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Not voting

: Charloux, KittyTacky, Mistyx

Bell
Titus
catboi
Norwee
Bear
fire
S_S
Val
——————————————- [Cephrir, PP and Shiro are floating somewhere around here]
Datisi
Alisae
Dannflor
Charloux
Mistyx
KT

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Bell
Titus
catboi
Norwee
Bear
fire
S_S
Val
——————————————- [Cephrir, PP and Shiro are floating somewhere around here]
Datisi
Alisae
Dannflor
Charloux
Mistyx
KT

EBWOP

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Please ask me questions because I’m also having trouble formulating my thoughts.

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where is marashu

I wasn’t sure whether to put Marashu below or above Charloux, and I eventually decided on below but then I think I deleted Marashu from above Charloux and forgot to put her there.

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FINALLY CAUGHT UP

readlist incoming

Curious timing.

Bullshit. If you did any research at all you would find that I most commonly post between 7:30 and 8:30 EST every morning on weekdays, because I’m commuting then.

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Like yeah, sure, I would understand if you were coming from a place of “oh, T3 showed up as there is a wagon on him, that’s scummy timing.” But instead you’re saying it’s

curious

timing. This suggests you’re trying to avoid explicitly shading me.

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Bell - Several posts made by him felt very genuine, and I liked his response to FA’s case on him. I think someone said he is out of his scum range, and from my experience with Bell I would agree.
Titus - I don’t think that scum!Titus would be so open about her mech information, both from my impression of her as a player and from her play in Datisi’s cafe. She made a complicated masonizer claim when wagoned, but she left no kind of crumb or soft prior to her claim, which leads me to believe scum!Titus probably wouldn’t go out of her way to fake all her mech info. I don’t have much about her play this game that I feel particularly strongly about.

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I had an entire wall on Misty and then I accidentally exited out of chrome ;-;

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Spoiler:

is the postcap what's making y'all jumpy because it feels like you keep going off on things that are more arbitrary than scummy

i think frozen angel is scummy for trying to over-explain her vote on charloux

What part is over-explanation? All of her explanation is in response to direct questions.

fan of this post

hi misty do you have any alignment related thoughts on anyone yet

not really

liked the way you dug into FA's vote post, liked SS's analysis, think those thoughts had more depth than any other pushes

kinda just chilling until i get something to lock in on as a way to get into the game

I don’t think I buy that Misty actually thought S_S’s analysis post was towny. The post is a surface level observation of a flaw in another player’s case that I also thought of immediately.

Aside from that, all of her early posts are calling posts good or bad without any actual analysis. While that isn’t inherently scummy, her justification for why she does so doesn’t track. She claims that everything town has been latching on to is arbitrary and not necessarily scummy. That just seems like a way to coast and avoid making content. By that point Charloux had already made his ‘slip,’ catboi and FA were pushing Charloux. Those pushes are hardly arbitrary, Charloux made a post that could be reasonably interpreted as a scumslip. There are definitely non-mech related things that one can latch on to based on other player’s analysis.

I ISO dived Misty a few days ago but never got around to typing everything up. More coming later.

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and where did the scumread on me go

I thought many of your earlier posts were fairly scummy and I agreed with Bear’s case on you. However, I really like your response to Bear after they kept tunneling you despite it being several hundred posts after the fact. I also liked several of your more recent posts, especially 1727.

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FINALLY CAUGHT UP

readlist incoming

Curious timing.

Bullshit. If you did any research at all you would find that I most commonly post between 7:30 and 8:30 EST every morning on weekdays, because I’m commuting then.

Like yeah, sure, I would understand if you were coming from a place of “oh, T3 showed up as there is a wagon on him, that’s scummy timing.” But instead you’re saying it’s

curious

timing. This suggests you’re trying to avoid explicitly shading me.

I thought I

was

explicitly shading you, when have you last seen "curious" used in a non-shadey context? And you didn't mention it in any game I remember playing with you, so I'm sorry for that.

I’ve seen scum use the words “weird” or “curious” many times to describe things that aren’t necessarily scummy. I was caught as scum one time for doing exactly that.

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Like yeah, sure, I would understand if you were coming from a place of “oh, T3 showed up as there is a wagon on him, that’s scummy timing.” But instead you’re saying it’s

curious

timing. This suggests you’re trying to avoid explicitly shading me.

WHY TITUS TOWN THOUGH?

This question evasion is sus amogus.

>question evasion
I posted at 11:02, and Bear asked that question at 11:04, at which point I had gone to class.

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hey T3 what do you hope to accomplish by playing this way

Wdym?

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hey T3 what do you hope to accomplish by playing this way

Wdym?

like

you're getting wagoned but you don't seem to care

you aren't really pushing anything

it seems like you're just posting to post

I’m posting because I’m trying to gauge reads and not get limmed.

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catboi is being replaced

Alisae is being replaced.

What the fuck lmao

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It looks like scum’s flavor is “the dark forest” which his stuff that happened isn’t he third and fourth series, meanwhile scourge and yellowfang were both series 1 characters.

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It looks like scum’s flavor is “the dark forest” which is stuff that happened in the third and fourth series, meanwhile scourge and yellowfang were both series 1 characters.

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what's the point you're trying to make

People were speculating on Titus’ flavor

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T3 why aren’t you voting

I usually only vote until later in the day. Just a subconscious playstyle quirk, I suppose.

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When there are 8 votes on you or whatever, that isn’t a subconscious playstyle quirk, that’s an intentional choice

Who do you think is scum

You say you wanna gauge reads and not get limmed

But considering you are the top wagon, why aren’t you pushing for your top scum read? Doesn’t seem like the way town would try to not get limmed does it? It seems like you’re more content to just make observations that you think look towny

Idk maybe you actually think this is the best way you can contribute to the game

But I have a feeling if any of your reads were genuine there would at least be some drive to vote or make a push or at least make some final strong statements before you are probably limmed

I have strong reads but I guess I’m not motivated enough to push them. I guess I can give some strong and assertive pushes

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VOTE: mistyx

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VOTE: Charloux
I think there’s been major off vibes from this slot. They’ve been involved in multiple shifty scenarios now and their responses always pinged me as weird.

elaborate

It doesn’t seem like Misty really believes or cares about the answer to the question she’s asking Norwee. It’s obvious exactly why Norwee voted Charloux, and Norwee has a clear but thin thought process. And her explanation that she thought Norwee was trying to fake content doesn’t really track because there is nothing that Norwee can elaborate on that is not repeating what others have said. It would be better if she outright stated that she believes Norwee was trying to appear useful, but instead she tries to look inquisitive but asking for elaboration.

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Every game lately is like this. I try play in a way that makes me have fun and also can solve at the same time. But i always end up feeling annoyed. I didn’t even really want to sign up to this in the first place. But now i’m here and just as expected i’m first wagon. All i can do is grit my teeth and bear it. I don’t even know why i manage to continue despite feeling miserable. It’s some kind of strange stubborness that never let’s up.

i'm not really sure what you're intending to accomplish with this beyond dragging the thread mood down

This is a really bad post - norwee has clearly expressed that he is feeling very frustrated, and Misty immediately jumps to the conclusion that he is scum deliberately trying to drag the thread mood down. This is a really, really, really big leap that I don’t think is an organic thought from town.

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I've had a long day at work and haven't had time to read the whole thread properly but that kittytacky post is the worst I've seen in this game by quite a bit.

the worst? how so?

its a bunch of quote stripes followed by one-liners with no thought put into them, half of them don't even say anything important, and he ends it with a really obviously opportunistic vote on half baked reasoning - just "I'm convinced" and absolutely nothing more which doesn't feel like he had real thoughts about norwee's alignment at all

It's about the most classically newbscum post you'll ever see

why does this (specifically the part about the vote) apply about kt's vote on norwee but not norwee's vote on char

This is pretty much a direct contradiction with Misty’s earlier posts. Earlier, she says that Norwee is scum because his reasoning is very thin but wordy, and she argues that scum usually go to more effort to justify their reads instead of making one-liners. But here, she’s now saying that KT’s vote on Norwee (despite being a one-liner) is scummy.

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what’s causing you to not feel motivated

It didn’t really feel like the wagon on me was justified based on the actual content of my posts and rather my underwhelming post count, and now I have to claw my way back up. I shared all of my notes as the wagon on me was first starting, but no one paid any attention to them other than saying that they’re bad.

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There’s also that Alisae and Norwee are tunneling me in the hood and I don’t really feel welcome to post my notes and observations because every 10 posts is some variation of “T3 is scum”

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what’s causing you to not feel motivated

It didn’t really feel like the wagon on me was justified based on the actual content of my posts and rather my underwhelming post count, and now I have to claw my way back up. I shared all of my notes as the wagon on me was first starting, but no one paid any attention to them other than saying that they’re bad.

I feel like people have been trying to engage with you, both on your initial notes post and since then, but haven't really got much in response, and so there's some understandable frustration with trying to get a read on you

if you're town I understand it might be overwhelming to have almost everyone in the game be quizzing you, but a lot of people I think have been trying to engage with you on the content of your posts? and you were just kinda absent

I'm not really getting where your mindset is at right now or what you most want to accomplish. are you just kinda hoping the elimination goes through on you since your demotivated?

can you talk to me about why kittytacky was your top scum read in your last reads list and why you don't really seem to want to vote there despite them being a viable wagon? I'll read your mistyx stuff in more detail shortly but I'm not sure how much support that is going to get overall

That’s fair tbh. For a while I was hoping that my lim would go through and I had thoughts but it just felt like a waste of time posting those thoughts. I have a more fleshed-out case and clearer thoughts on Misty than I do on KT.

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There’s also that Alisae and Norwee are tunneling me in the hood and I don’t really feel welcome to post my notes and observations because every 10 posts is some variation of “T3 is scum”

That is not at all right.
I've asked you numerous times to chime in because we talked about lots of stuff, not just "Ah yes T3 is scum" over and over again. But you always seemed to ignore it so of course i'm gonna find that scummy. If there was a reason you didn't want to post in hood that is perfectly fine but you didn't even give any excuse.

Nah. I made a few posts in hood when I replaced in, but Titus joined soon after and I was flashwagoned.

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T3 feels like a rand flip but I guess if he's not going to become readable :/

Okay, what do you think about my more recent posts.


btw I’ll respond to the fire post when I have time but currently I’m in a debate tournament so I’m posting on the go

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I’m going to be limmed no matter what ig

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Tbf when I repped in I was only skimming the main events happening in the thread so I missed a lot of stuff.

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Thanks for modding!

I don’t think I’m ever going to replace into a large theme ever again - or at least what I should have done was forget about catching up and just start reading from the page I replace in.