Cosmos Mafia (Postgame)

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Yoink!

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I am Mafia Goon.

VOTE: Enchant

I think you're legitimately more likely to make this post as a Mafia Goon than as anything else.

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so, u arguing that or no?

yes

Not sure how much of a take we were meant to have in post 25?

I like Radjs, Titus and mastina for town, maybe std. Mainly vibes. Really didn't like the mech post from frozen angel and not sure how I feel about aisa knowing their take on it was 'l0 but also town!' tbf I also hate mech in general.

-b

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I have no idea why that quoted, fat fingers.

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So it seems that Noon is the night phase for the Solar cult and the night is the night phase for the Lunar cult. In other words, based on flavor we can guess that the cults are even/off phase mechanically. But guess we'll see when we go

This is probably a +town observation?

Bunnyonce says the exact same thing and can be town for it as well

58 reaffirms that Bunnyonce is obvtown

Most of my reads are the exact opposite of how mastina reads them and that confuses me

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Gonna full solve the game with Bella tonight

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Transcript of today:

Klick isn't feeling day one, he's kinda leaving it to me while reading over my shoulder

We disagree about bunnycore: klick hard town reads and I scum read.
I basically hate everything the PPF hydra posts, it feels really pot shotty. Klick has them as more null but prefaced it with 'im not paying them attention ' , which is often scum indicative for both of us.

Radha and MMR feel a little opportunitistic: Mmr especially feels like they are posting in a very 'reasonable' way but it feels constructed and I come away wanting from their posts. Klick wants more content from the slot generally.

We both think std is town for the previous few pages and are a little unsure on fa.

I'd like the professor slot to be town, because I'd love to be on the same side as them: they had a controversial scum read of me in the lost game that i think turned the game, so like...I'm not elimming this slot for a while.

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Klick here to make quips about things that randomly interest him while Bella does sensible posting

I’m really not happy that you are making general comments about our posting but not referencing anything specific you dislike.

Why, specifically, does this make you unhappy?

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That's kind of my issue though: I don't see much in titus' posting that makes me think much either way? It's random, snippy, like I said, pot shotty. I can't track a train of thought through them

It's much easier these last few posts because you are doing that. But I don't massively expect titus' posting from town!Titus. So it's a 'the posts do nothing' and ' I don't recognise this from town titus'

P-edit that's a shit vote.

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Even on the last page, the longest post is about court language. That doesn't help me know anything about your alignmen.

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VOTE: professotic
I can't really quantify it, but it feels like they're playing looking for someone to kill rather than looking for scum. Just the way they're engaging feels... Wrong.

I mean, you right!

VOTE: professotic

{Past Present Future} (most locktown of locktown)
{Save the Dragons, Yume} (basically most, but need just a

bit

more from both to be sure)
{Radical Rat, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow (may be one lower)}
{Maid Cafe, MMR}

TOWNLEAN:
{furtiveglance}
{Enchant}
{T-Bone}


{Child of Fairies}
{Radja}


{Frozen Angel}
{Bunnyonce}

SCUM:
{Korina}
{professotic}

(Yes I am aware that's too few scum since the approximate amount should be 6, so I'm townreading slots I shouldn't be, but for

now

, this'll do.)

VOTE: Bunny

I like Bunny versus Professor as wagons. Korina's not a bad choice either. Bunny's last defense of FA reeked.

~Titus

Also, to contradict myself, this /is/ a take but it feels massively over blown: versus and reeked feel hyperbolic and the shade of a third slot that's getting replaced again just feels bad.

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UNVOTE:

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VOTE: professotic

No, this. I'm kinda ok with a radja vote!

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StD moves to my highest tier of locktown

I agree with this
- Klick

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17 player game should have what? 5 Non-Town at most?

ughhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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So I think professotic is scum
but Bella was like 'Professor Drapion is good I don't want him out yet'
but now she's saying she disagrees with a lot of his takes
so I asked if we could vote them pretty please
and she said yes
the end

VOTE: professotic

Sorry

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VOTE: professotic

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I feel like this game has been going for a while now and there's many slots that haven't really done much.

Enchant

?

T-Bone

?

furtiveglance

?

~Greeting

I'm sorry for this. I think prof is town and there are some very bad votes on them.

I want to vote Dingle for their bandwagoning crimes

VOTE: Dingle Dangle Scarecrow

This is a town take

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Catching up, haven't spoken to klick.
Page 19: klick feels a little better about drap, says the alt makes sense. T bone is probably town. The radja/ranta convo feels like busy work from PPF

I don't think prof and math are alinged. Fa is probably town. Klick feels slightly more null about the MMR slot and I did like roden's posting.

@titus, what is a town fos? Can you expand to us a bit in general?

Mech talk, my fave.
Math is not that hard to read: I want to point to pyp.

I don't hate tituus' reads but that's not enough scum reads. Although I've lost a few hard scum reads in my catch up. Still could vote for radja, maid cafe, maybe PPF. Want so much more from furtive, yume and like at least two other slots who I've literally forgotten exist.

-bella, with the flu.will catch up with klick tonight.

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UNVOTE:

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?? What have the yume And drapion votes got to do with each other? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm confused. My main issue was naked voting, Ans I think this was before the readlist/ definitely before id spoken to klick about the readlist, which was really clearly the trigger point for the vote.

I was never arguing with you about a vote, it wasn't about you. O.o

I am really sensitive to 'posting for the sake of posting/bisywork' from your slot, Ans Titus said earlier that my concern about her posting was valid.

Can you explain your issue with our posts in context? We decided that your slot was actually more likely to be town earlier.

P-edit meant kindly but do you think you could be jumping at shadows a bit?

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Like, the professor/tic tac progression is really obvious.

P-edit we agree on more than you think. Chill

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VOTE: MathBlade

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Math is hard scum, mastina is probably town

Hi TSE yes I remember you

mastina can you explain why Drapion is scum? Because that's the head I don't scumread atm but I remember TSE being really clearly different when town vs scum

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I just don't think this is town Math at all

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Math says things and I don't believe he actually thinks them

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I'd give this more words and depth but I've gotta go into work
I've been wanting our vote here for a while but Bella has said 'not yet' a few times

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I think mastina is rather obvious town at the moment and her wagon is really weak and based on things that most people aren't genuinely confident make her scum
In other words, it's really lazy

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Oh sweet it's our scumday bella

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That deserves a pagetop

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I think mastina is rather obvious town at the moment and her wagon is really weak and based on things that most people aren't genuinely confident make her scum
In other words, it's really lazy

What specifically is "really lazy"?

You can start with me if you'd like.

You've explicitly stated that you're open to mastina being town but think her current posting is anti-town and that's contributing to your vote on her

I'll accept that as a valid way of thinking, but I think hitting scum should take precedence over that if possible and mastina is town

(I also don't really think mastina is currently the one making this game hard to read, but I accept that that's not true for everyone)

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UNVOTE:

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Mastina talk to me about Yume town?

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So if someone says “But this is town Mastina”

I expect a fucking case

Not just “trust me bro. Mastina’s town”

Explain it like I am 5 or get on the Mastina wagon.

I'm not going to engage with this

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Maid Cafe
Scarfmanship
Radical Rat
Radja
Enchant

Here are the people I want gone today

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VOTE: Maid Cafe

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VOTE: Enchant

VOTE: Enchant

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Lol.
No Enchant is Town.
They aren’t like the wolf game.
They push a bit more as a wolf, more aggressive.

This isn't my experience with Enchant scum

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I think the fact that several players have blinkers on right now is harming the gamestate. This would change after a Mastina elimination, but I still would prefer to vote a scumread of mine today. I don't see too much point in voting Mastina off today, when the likeliest outcome of D2 is MathBlade shooting Mastina.

Furitive, the two of us are trying to accomplish the same thing. Vote DDS with me.

You too, Yume. I would invite PPF but they have disliked me ever since I said something negative about three word hydras and they took it to mean them. I'm still a little sus about how careful they are about changing their vote, which is part of the reason why I made that taunt. I knew they wouldn't go through with it without more validation.

@maid cafe, @professorxotic: You say the game feels stale. That's because the gamestate is being engineered to feel stale so that everyone feels like their only option is to vote mastina. You are not immune to propaganda. Think about what is happening. We already have multiple PRs with mastina in their crosshairs, plus I am pretty sure I know what role mastina is and I want to see what she claims her actions are.

@bunny, you agree with dds on a kill list. Vote there.
@math, you are the one making the gamestate feel stale by drowning out everyone else's voices and using language that warps the narrative of the game around your focus on mastina. You need only read the posts of the others in the thread to see that what you are doing is antitown, even if you're right about mastina.

@everyone, friendly reminder that everything in mafia is made up, and the points don't matter. Letters are just funny squiggles and you can say or do anything you want.

Now that we're getting somewhere, aren't you glad that I drew attention towards something other than tunnelers?

Hi
If you're town you're on the wrong track
Would you like to discuss anything?

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I generally like this energy but I don't like that it's directed at us

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go to h...

how could you even become worse in this game over all these years?

Try again in reading the posts before making another comment

Stop

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i think my main issue skimming dds is mainly like. i feel like they're projecting rlly strong stances about mastina/math but not really putting in the legwork to actualize what they care about (mastina town ie why are you not kicking and screaming more trying to dismantle this wagon yk)

I think this is valid criticism
The main reason that I've not been pushing the gamestate is because I hate it and don't want to engage with it because it will be extremely unenjoyable

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And Bella hasn't because she's got the flu and doesn't have as strong feelings on things as I do

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Yes I'm confident that mastina is town
But I have no confidence that my voice will do anything to influence the path the thread will take
The thread is clogged enough already and I want to save my breath for when it matters

I'm still willing to speak to individuals who are interested in speaking to me

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Basically I'm not louder than MathBlade or Frozen Angel and I am not going to win their arguments that are explicitly set up to be 'specific' enough for them to argue out of when specificity has nothing to do with accuracy

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It boils down to people saying I know better than you which against evidence is kinda demoralizing and dehumanizing.

Excuse me, don't you dare try to tell me that having a hard townread on mastina that I'm not prepared to argue against you is 'dehumanizing'.

People can disagree with you without being willing to get into an argument with you about it.

I disagree with a lot of things you present as evidence for mastina!scum and generally. I think you've created a set of rules for how mastina as well as town/scum generally would behave in this situation that aren't actually representative of how they would behave in this situation. I disagree with you. But I'm not going to sit here for hours arguing with you about why I disagree with you on that or on other things. That is not a valuable use of my time or energy.

But I don't have to be willing to sit here and argue about it for hours to say that I think generally your reasoning for scumreading mastina has been poor and largely based on things you WANT town and scum to be doing rather than what town and scum actually ARE doing.

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VC 1.0.14



Mastina (6) Frozen Angel, Mathblade, MMR, T-Bone, Radical Rat, Maid Cafe, [E-3]

scarfmanship (1)furtiveglance,
Enchant (1) Dingle Dangle Scarecrow
professotic (1) Mastina,
Frozen Angel (1) Radja
Mathblade (1) Yume
Dingle Dangle Scarecrow (1) Scarfmanship
Bunnyonce (1) professotic,
Radja (1) Past Present Future

Not Voting (3) Enchant, Ydrasse, Bunnyonce


With 17 Alive it takes 9 to Eliminate
Deadline: (expired on 2022-11-01 13:00:17)

There are certainly scum on the mastina wagon

Look at that VC and tell me the goal for both scumteams isn't to kill mastina today

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Frozen Angel

mastina

, focus your efforts into making this happen please
I feel like this hits the sweet spot of 'lowest on your reads' and 'most likely to happen' on that wagon

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VOTE: Frozen Angel

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Yume, please take a step back. I really worry about your health. This gamestate is not good.

Can confirm this btw--doing just this and taking a step back from the game?

So liberating.

It guaranteed my elimination, mind you!

But it was just so freeing to not give a damn anymore. To not feel the need to effort anymore. To post what I feel like, when I feel like it. Taking a step back genuinely saved my mental, physical, and emotional health. So like. Would recommend doing!

Ikr it's great isn't it
That's basically been my approach for a few months now and once people get used to it it feels wonderful at times

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Also every post lately has been Klick, Bella will come back at some point and it will be obvious when she does

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VC 1.0.14



Mastina (6) Frozen Angel, Mathblade, MMR, T-Bone, Radical Rat, Maid Cafe, [E-3]

scarfmanship (1)furtiveglance,
Enchant (1) Dingle Dangle Scarecrow
professotic (1) Mastina,
Frozen Angel (1) Radja
Mathblade (1) Yume
Dingle Dangle Scarecrow (1) Scarfmanship
Bunnyonce (1) professotic,
Radja (1) Past Present Future

Not Voting (3) Enchant, Ydrasse, Bunnyonce


With 17 Alive it takes 9 to Eliminate
Deadline: (expired on 2022-11-01 13:00:17)

There are certainly scum on the mastina wagon

Look at that VC and tell me the goal

for both scumteams

isn't to kill mastina today

That is a bold assumption if its an assumption on multiple levels. There are so many split wagons right now that can be from town or scum spreaded - not feeling well to push on mastina in this heat

and there are many people who are voting mastina for good or bad reasons. The chances that there are no scum on this wagon at all is close to 0 as ALL THE PLAYERS in the game town or scum are scum hunting at this moment. Yet how can you be sure that there are scums from both team on the wagon at the moment?

if true how will that mean the mastina is possibly town for you and not just a scum distancing from their partner while other scum team and town are genuinely hunting scum?

This however would make much more sense as a feeling to you to make connections between those dots if you were one of the scum teams and you knew for facts that the wagon is being pushed by at least one group

Okay sure I'll play ball with this one

What are the scumteams trying to achieve?

You say there are 'so many wagons' but there aren't. There are singular votes. There is apparently zero incentive for anyone in this game at this moment to form a cohesive, coordinated push against mastina's elimination.

So both scumteams are NOT currently trying to make a counterwagon to mastina happen. Implying they're both accepting the mastina wagon going through as the only viable wagon currently.

I don't believe that mastina has a scumteam who is making zero effort to find an alternative here. Both scumteams clearly want this to happen. (I did not say that both scumteams are on the wagon as you posited, though I do think that's very likely)

(If you agree that both scumteams clearly want a mastina vote to happen as a concept, it is very unlikely that voting mastina will be a positive act for anyone with a town alignment. If Scum 1 wants something to happen, and Scum 2 wants something to happen, then town should not want something to happen.)

Your assertion that I'm scum because I think there's scum from both teams on the mastina wagon is very weak and either a confbiased take or just scum. Either way, it feels disingenuous.

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(If you agree that both scumteams clearly want a mastina vote to happen as a concept, it is very unlikely that voting mastina will be a positive act for anyone with a town alignment. If Scum 1 wants something to happen, and Scum 2 wants something to happen, then town should not want something to happen.)

I would like to highlight this to everyone as a concept

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The chances that there are no scum on this wagon at all is close to 0 as ALL THE PLAYERS in the game town or scum are scum hunting at this moment.

What is your read on the players on the mastina wagon right now?

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You misinterpreted what I said on purpose right now?

No

simply put if you're town reading mastina and you hardly believe both scum reads happen to be on wagon you know that the only scenarios are:

- she genuinely looks scummy to both scum teams and they are assuming she is from other team
- she is from one scum team has the other team pushing her and her partner is distancing by voting her team mate too

Scum do not *have* to care what someone's alignment is in multiball; rhey so not need to aim for the other scumteam in the day; scum could want mastina dead for several reasons that aren't the two you presented as the 'only scenarios'

when I said there are too many spread out wagons, I meant too many 1 voters on random people cause people are trying to find a counter wagon with support yet they are failing

Failing quite badly; it would be incredibly easy to make one of those 1-vote wagons a 2- or 3- vote wagon. I wonder why that wasn't happening?

so what gave you the impression that I think both scum teams are voting mastina too and being dishonest?

Nothing, I didn't say you think this

also how is voting scum not in favor of town even if a scum team or both have votes on it as well?! I cant think of a possible scenario where that is the case

Game theory. There are three competing factions that cannot win with each other. Two informed factions think it is in their interest for something to happen. Either they're *wrong*, or the third factions does not benefit from the action.

I assert that both scumteams clearly want the mastina wagon to go through, therefore the mastina wagon going through is bad for town. (I think the reason for this is because mastina is town!)

yet you have absolutely no evidence to claim both scum teams are pushing her. we don't even know there are two scum "teams" just that there are two scum group names that we know absolutely nothing about

also more importantly where did I say you're scum? I said these kind of observations can come from scum more easy as they have more information. did I hit a nerve there?

I'm not interested in playing semantics with you.

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Please take the weekend of quiet and town tell if you’re town.

Okay, MathBlade's town.

Ambivalence gone.

I realize that,

technically speaking

, by talking about my read on MathBlade I basically handed a scuMathBlade a guide into faking exactly this as town and adjusting his scumplay from being something only working temporary into something working longterm.
Technically speaking, that's theoretically possible.

But like.

To be honest: I don't think a scum MathBlade actually does.

Please I hope no one gets mad at me but I don’t think Mastina is lock scum anymore

I don’t know if it’s sleepy me or angry me from shitty work or what.

To be clear I am resetting on her. This isn’t a she’s not scum. This isn’t a she’s not town. It’s something pinged me and I want to reset.

These are both correct

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scum have to just vote another slot that is not their team, and make a compelling case against them. easier for a case to be compelling when its true right?

Easier but not necessary

first you cant get from the "there are no counter wagons" to "she is voted by both scum teams" .

This is kind of the less interesting and important point and I don't want to discuss it further it's a distraction.

your second conclusion is way worse. you saying mastina is town cause both scum teams are voting her makes no sense.

Misrepresentation of what I'm arguing: I am saying both scum teams want mastina dead and thats why she's town, not that they are both specifically voting mastina (though I do also believe that, it's irrelevant to this point)

Mastina is town because both scum teams were perfectly happy to let her die without an attempted counterwagon. There was a period where there was no sense of cohesion behind any vote that wasn't mastina. Both teams were fine with mastina dying. Which means town shouldn't be fine with that.

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DDS, what is your opinion of prof's 1742?
-Rubella

So
Mastina/Bunny/PPF

And

Dingle/Radja/FA

Makes sense

I mean, he's wrong. I think Drapion is wrong on quite a few things.
I find Drapion to be a very untraditional player and thus very hard for me to read. He goes in and he goes in hard, and I think that's probably true regardless of alignment.

I think tictac is probably the more readable member for me and I find him to be very similar to how he was in NQM2 (where he was scum).

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FA is absolutely correct about all the multiball theory stuff, and it has felt a lot like people are forgetting this game is multiball, in particular with how that means meta tells don't mean shit when you're ideally just playing a towngame even as scum.

I'm not sure who this is directed toward, but if it's me, I'm definitely taking multiball into consideration with my reads

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VOTE: professotic

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Y'know.

If I were still pretending to be mastina, I'd double down on my professotic scumread by pointing out all the scum things they did, ignoring the town things that have given me doubt about the scumread there.

But like--I promised I was done pretending to be mastina at least for a while, so like.

Not gonna actually do that.

And instead will be honest with the truth:
professotic is an ambivalent slot for me.

I don't

really

wanna go through the 8 pages to go through all the reasons why I am ambivalent on the slot, but at the risk of abandoning a push on scum, I think I actually wanna do this:

VOTE: Radical Rat
Would also vote {Bunnyonce, Radja}.

I realize there are a lot of reasons for professotic to still be scum.

I don't feel actually confident enough to keep pushing there tho. mastina would, I am not.

I do think this is more likely to flip scum
but I also don't want to kill momentum on the prof wagon only for it to get you limmed

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I can see Dingle being town cause Bella does feel more like their town game of which I hosted.
However, I still think they are a wolf and I still think you can be a wolf however I know I’m more then likely not gonna be completely right about my reads day 1 and as for Radical, I originally wolf read that slot from their push on me, then I found them Townie and then I went kinda back to Null Sub them into a wolf team read.
So yeah I can agree with this allot.
Radical, FA and Radja makes sense.

Want to vote scum today?

VOTE: Radical Rat

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I should probably really talk to Bella about that vote but I don't think she'll mind

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Fuck I’m probably going to be ML’ed for this but I like that vote.

VOTE: Radical Rat

Oh good you did it

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Okay sure Enchant can be town

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also mastina push on fa is a better reason 2 scumread mastina since it's clear intentional nonsense

should expand on why the

intentional

bit of 304 is important.
like it's clearly not supposed to be a

successful

push on FA.
soo why does one make intentionally crappy push?

1) one is distancing
2) one is trying to look like one is distancing in hindsight.
in both universes one is scum.

3) one is not actually pushing but instead presenting thoughts on the thread without clear intention to push at that point

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Yeah, sudden wagon on me is bad.

DDS in particular looks incredibly opportunistic. I don't think they've expressed an opinion on me at all until now (do point me to it if I'm wrong though)?

I don't need to state a scumread on you previously to think you could easily be scum here

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3) one is not actually pushing but instead presenting thoughts on the thread without clear intention to push at that point

k. name a thought the post is presenting.

Read the post

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Yeah, sudden wagon on me is bad.

DDS in particular looks incredibly opportunistic. I don't think they've expressed an opinion on me at all until now (do point me to it if I'm wrong though)?

I don't need to state a scumread on you previously to think you could easily be scum here

No, but you DO need to have some kind of reasoning that has so far not been expressed

Don't worry, I have reasoning

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Yoink

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Pls don't freeze the deadline again this day has been far too long lol

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Yeah but this Rat one is pretty much the textbook counter wagons. All of Mastina's defenders are on it.

Ikr why can't we all just spread out and let our townread die for free

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Like, they seem a bit weirdly certain of their takes?

There is validity to this as a concept, don't underrate it.

A lot of RR's posting feels very rigid to me in a way that resonates with what you're saying here

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Hot take: I think

RR

’s claim is true, but he is from Lunar Cult. I don’t know what the wincons for the two scum factions are though, if they don’t have to kill each other too then it might not be making sense.

~Greeting

I agree with this

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What I find odd is that people find Mastina town AND don’t fight with her on reads.

Why would I waste time doing that when she's been a top wagon for a while
Makes a lot more sense to work with her on common ground instead of just letting her get elimmed

Several arguments against the general mastina + townreads group have basically been 'why haven't you just let her die yet' and the answer to that from a town perspective should be obvious

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VOTE: Scarfmanship

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Hot take: I've chatted with klick and I've read little bits here and there and I basically, against my best wishes, have come back to just agreeing with a lot of mastinas reads. I spent a lot of the day wanting to elim them but I think a lot of it was frustrated with the amount of words coming from them. I also have skimmed the dead thread for datisiss cafe and it's really similar.

My reads are more alinged with klicks now: PPF is probably town, happier MMR is town, math is town enough for day one.

We are a bit torn on professor drapion; klicks scumread was more than mine at the start, but it's flipped now. Klick is using a lot of context from tse, whereas I am comparing this to the lost game and thinking that the slot sounds a lot less genuine.

Enchant might be town.
We are chatting about the possibility of a recruiting arsonist. Part of our issue is that we don't have a massive elim pool and are assuming there must be 6 scum, but what if there's four, plus a recruit tool?


We could do scarf, unwind, bunnyonce. We're still considering that rat's role makes sense but could still be a scum role.

B

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

I have to go but we are looking at a day soon as the replacement gets in.

That’s like almost no time at all.

If you really don’t want Mastina elimmed push someone.

See y’all tomorrow.

That's great and all but I don't have any particularly hard scumreads at the moment that I'd be confident in *pushing*

I'd be vaguely satisfied with a number of votes right now and I think that's fine for D1 in multiball

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

VOTE: Scarfmanship

If we're not limming Mastina for whatever reason can we lim this? Naked votes on Mastina counter wagons is all this slot has done.

And that = scum because ______

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Do you mean bunny? I'm more certain they are scum than klick is. I think that day one has just gone on a long time and we're almost happy to go for any flip. I have more toenreads than scum reads, is the issue.

Are we nuts about a arsonist recruiter? It feels like a cool mech.

B

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

So it seems that Noon is the night phase for the Solar cult and the night is the night phase for the Lunar cult. In other words, based on flavor we can guess that the cults are even/off phase mechanically. But guess we'll see when we go

This is probably a +town observation?

Bunnyonce says the exact same thing and can be town for it as well

58 reaffirms that Bunnyonce is obvtown

Most of my reads are the exact opposite of how mastina reads them and that confuses me

Hot take: I think

RR

’s claim is true, but he is from Lunar Cult. I don’t know what the wincons for the two scum factions are though, if they don’t have to kill each other too then it might not be making sense.

~Greeting

I agree with this

Like, they seem a bit weirdly certain of their takes?

There is validity to this as a concept, don't underrate it.

A lot of RR's posting feels very rigid to me in a way that resonates with what you're saying here

I Ctrl+F'd one of your choices and I'm struggling to get where you think this slot is scum from your own behavior around them

That's because you quoted three Klick posts and Bella's the one with the scumread

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Bella's just caught up after like a week of feeling ill, she thinks Bunnyonce is scum

I'm kinda... meh? They might be scum but I like the energy they're bringing to the game and I believe they're genuinely trying to solve for at least one scumteam

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Plus again you're not even speaking to the reality of the game. I am the only one scumreading you. Who are all these people scumreading you that you need to shut up?

Frustratingly it seems everyone else thinks that when you are scummy it's a town tell for you so good job I guess? Sorry, I believe everyone plays to the best of their ability and can't town read bad posts just because "that's the way they post". You're certainly smart enough to play into other players' perception of how you play, yeah?

You keep making a number of posts that I'd consider bad posts, but I think it's town indicative for you

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

This is why I was appalled by Dingle proposing 3 literal who slots (yes, including myself) because it doesn't lead to anything. I think those are the safest fucking picks you could make, and if you wanna talk about scum behavior then welllll

I think the who slots are our best shot of hitting actual scum and I care more about that than making some sort of statement with a read that doesn't match my reality

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Plus again you're not even speaking to the reality of the game. I am the only one scumreading you. Who are all these people scumreading you that you need to shut up?

Frustratingly it seems everyone else thinks that when you are scummy it's a town tell for you so good job I guess? Sorry, I believe everyone plays to the best of their ability and can't town read bad posts just because "that's the way they post". You're certainly smart enough to play into other players' perception of how you play, yeah?

You keep making a number of posts that I'd consider bad posts, but I think it's town indicative for you

Be specific.

So the root thing that irks me about your posts and general stance in this game is the hard and fast rules you set yourself and expect everyone else to follow when it comes to proper play and solving. You'll say things that are essentially 'this person is scum because this post is bad' that feel like takes that have very little to do with how likely someone is to be scum, and have a lot more to do with how you personally *want* town and scum to play. And that's really frustrating to me. I'm not here to have a series of logical arguments about a bunch of things that ultimately feel irrelevant to someone's alignment, I'm here to find and take out scum. The ballroom dance of hashing it out in a detailed argument often just favours the players who are best at playing that specific way, regardless of their alignment/accuracy/anything that actually benefits town. And so the way you just casually state what town should be doing and say that someone is scum because they aren't doing things that you think are beneficial just looks clearly innacurate as a way of solving to me.

You're probably town though, and I think that largely because of the way you are making yourself the center of attention narratively in the thread. You're doing more than you'd need to be doing right now for scum utility I think. You're also doing a bunch of things that don't intuitively make you look good to the thread at large, which I don't think you bother doing if you're scum here.

I'm not super interested in going into even more specifics than this because it doesn't feel like a productive use of my time. If you wanted like a selection of your own quotes from me or something then sorry, but I feel like this is as close as I can get to an accurate response to this.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

That poist isn't directed to me but after a nap i want to give my take on it

That's fine, it's also vaguely in your direction conceptually

I have a lot of feelings on this subject but they often don't feel worth sharing

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

I don't want to ramble on about things others don't care about
I'd rather be vague and focus my effort where I think it's worth most than explain things and get ignored or talked over

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Gosh I provide spicy mafia content when I'm annoyed

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

This was a lot to process!

UNVOTE:

I'll think on it all while at work. Bella will probably be pleased with a Bunnyonce wagon

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

{furtiveglance} (it still doesn't look like his play from Datisi's Cafe, but his play doesn’t actually look town and has many objectively scummy stances)

I agree with this and think furtive is likely to flip scum personally

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Think for a moment: my death vanillizes an entire scum team yesterday (and possibly going forward).

You were never in danger what do you even mean???

Is this true? Klick was pretty certain math had a ton of votes at one point, but the VCS aren't great.


I really liked scarf's post on this page, felt v town.

Prof scum read us quite hard at a few points. Out of t-bones list, the only person I think could be scum is furtive.

B

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

? Can you explain your post to us more?

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

No, sorry, I was talking to furtive! I really didn't understand what they were saying.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

On us? That's fine, but I can't point you to any reason to tr the slot, which isn't true for other slots who scum read us.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

VOTE: furtiveglance

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Eh, in with math here: I think a lot of mastinas initial premises are correct but not all the conclusions.

I strongly also agree that mmr's reading of the announcement shouldn't make anyone think our and maths slots are confirmable,or even necessarily that it confirms (mech wise) either of our slots as 'town" or 'prs'.

Way too much noise from some slots about the bunny elim when it was really clearly a compromise. We spent too much of yesterday not progressing but I do think today is already better.

I discussed the result of MMR with klick and his take was basically that either or both slots could be scum. He thinks Nancy could be doing what she's doing from either role and I'm still banging the 'i feel ok reading Titus but I dont have enough from that head' drum. Basically , I just agree with math a lot, which is ....fun

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Out if the votes on MMR, my biggest scum read is unwind. Haven't checked this with klick but today's Poe outside of whatever is happening with MMR/PPF is unwind, RR and furtive.

B

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Hello, we're here, just both busy

VOTE: MMR

I've been lightly skimming, and this seems to be the right play simply because MMR's claim actively conflicts with both mastina and PPF?

I'm not sure why MMR would make a claim that poor as scum, but it seems correct to lim them here

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

I've been lightly skimming, and this seems to be the right play simply because MMR's claim actively conflicts with both mastina and PPF?

It doesn't.
It only conflicts with mastina.
-Rubella

You're Loyal and your action didn't work on PPF

What reasonable explanation do you think makes PPF potentially not scum?

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

PPF has already claimed not ascetic unless I'm misremembering
You're not a sensible roleblock target when there are already powerful claimed PRs, and even if you were, that explanation should be much less likely than 'the Loyal part of my role worked as intended'

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

There's been enough concern for pages about your lack of scumread on PPF (and a big enough wagon) that it's difficult for me to just accept that as an explanation at face value

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

But it also doesn't feel like this is the route that three individuals and their scumbuddies would choose to take...

UNVOTE:

I'm going to discuss with Bella. I need to consider how likely it is that MMR is town and also consider how important the utility of flipping MMR to confirm mastina/PPF's alignments is.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

In the meantime, I'd like to hear from anyone who thinks there's a logical explanation for MMR to have botched their claim as badly as they have as scum. Their play seems actively self-destructive as a scum play and I would love to hear reasons that's not the case.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Could Measles or Mumps please in their next post full claim your exact role with everything involved in it?

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Could Measles or Mumps please in their next post full claim your exact role with everything involved in it?

Sooner rather than later, please.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

In the meantime, I'd like to hear from anyone who thinks there's a logical explanation for MMR to have botched their claim as badly as they have as scum.

What's the logical explanation for MMR having botched their claim this badly as town?

MMR botched their claim, period.

It's not the presence of a botched claim that makes MMR town or scum.
It is both the way it was done and their content beyond the botched claim which makes them likely scum. (Plus, PPF is never scum, so...)

The way they've botched their claim here makes me find it hard to see them as scum. They weren't hugely likely to be eliminated, and their actions have explicitly made them a lot more likely to be eliminated.

Another way of putting it: why did they claim at all? What drove them to claim?

Because I can think of reasons involving MMR being town. I can't think of reasons involving MMR being scum.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

mastina explained that in her big post. Not her fault people tend to skim them.

Pardon me for not reading everything mastina has written in this game, but I value actually having an enjoyable experience when I play these games.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

MMR thought Yume had a damning result on PPF

and decided to piggyback on it

, and doubled down on it not realizing how big of a mistake they were making.

There's not really a reason to decide this.

MMR felt the scum were boxed in, and was desperate enough to fake something on a core member of the townbloc holding it together.

...meh? Trading PPF for a member of MMR's scumteam doesn't feel like a decision that would be made. I don't think RH9!scum looks at that and decides the fake guilty would actually disrupt the townbloc.

MMR genuinely believes PPF to be scum.

If anything I'd argue MMR would be less likely to fake a guilty for this as scum than as town. It at least isn't sufficient as a scum-indicative reason for MMR faking the result.

PPF are bathed in either sunlight or moonlight, giving a scumteam tangible benefits to eliminating town.

I can see this as an explanation for a more concrete guilty, but not for this weird soft-guilty thing with a clear lack of coordination.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

In the meantime, I'd like to hear from anyone who thinks there's a logical explanation for MMR to have botched their claim as badly as they have as scum. Their play seems actively self-destructive as a scum play and I would love to hear reasons that's not the case.

Botching a claim isn't necessarily alignment indicative. Town players can mess that up. I don't think the botch is even the important part here. This slot has a mechanically guilty on another slot and doesn't want to push it and has actively tried to avoid talking about it for like a week. Talking to you is the first time MMR has given any sort of sustained information about the claim.

Rubella seemed to genuinely not recognise that what they had was a proper guilty though. When I explained the situation the way I saw it, the response I got looked genuinely like they'd never considered the fact that what they had was probably a hard guilty. It was a complete change of direction.

The things Rubella is doing arent the things scum do when they're trying to get people to townread them or otherwise believe them. I believe Rubella's thought process is genuine.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

I've been lightly skimming, and this seems to be the right play simply because MMR's claim actively conflicts with both mastina and PPF?

It doesn't.
It only conflicts with mastina.
-Rubella

You're Loyal and your action didn't work on PPF

What reasonable explanation do you think makes PPF potentially not scum?

We could've been blocked or PPF could be Ascetic Town.
-Rubella

PPF has already claimed not ascetic unless I'm misremembering
You're not a sensible roleblock target when there are already powerful claimed PRs, and even if you were, that explanation should be much less likely than 'the Loyal part of my role worked as intended'

PPF has already claimed not ascetic unless I'm misremembering
You're not a sensible roleblock target when there are already powerful claimed PRs, and even if you were, that explanation should be much less likely than 'the Loyal part of my role worked as intended'

I see.
The TR on PPF was only testing reactions.
I thought that it was obvious that I wouldn't TR a slot just from their response.
-Rubella

And I don't TR them anymore.
-Rubella

DDS, what is your read on Toog?
Something about them voting Math and then instantly unvoting when asked if it was serious, feels somewhat off.
-Rubella

When I read this exchange and try to put myself in Rubella shoes, I see someone changing their mind on something. I can't see this as a scum intentional pivot. It just wouldn't be effective enough under normal circumstances.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

I'm not here to discuss claims. What else would people like from our slot?
~Mumps

Considering the level to which your slots claim has causes trouble in this game, I'm not satisfied with this.

Please clearly full claim. I'm happy to discuss things afterwards.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

I am here with some thoughts.

Firstly, furtive said a few pages back that elimming mastina both sorts out a ton of 'conflicting' claim info (like, we did this dance with mastina and math last phase) And tones down the thread. I hate that I agree.

Someone else (scarf? I tr scarf ) said that a lot of the pressure to MMR and against a pff vote is coming because certain people are the loudest of the thread. Hard agree too.

I don't tr the PPF slot, I basically never have. I find mastinas explanation of the four reasons MMR could be fake claiming to be incredibly weak.

We have a sneaking suspicion that rh9 has been abandoned by his hdyea mates with a claim that he didn't understand, and they've popped up now because they can't work out why they are about to be miselimed over a guilty!

I don't find mastinas wording about her claim massively convincing anyway. I do think the game is pr heavy with much traffic.

B

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Oh wow I cannot believe 'MMR!scum felt desperate' is a real thing someone said on day 2 what???

Thanks, DDS for doing God's work.

Happy to help you

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Then in that case @DDS we get guilties on Mastina (admittedly soft) and PPF so like???

I'm not really sure what this post is trying to express to me

Try rephrasing?

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Like here is this exact thing from a different member of the hydra.

Fwiw these were both me, Klick

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

MMR is town. Informed an Astrologer exists and is likely scum.

MMR has backpedaled on this part of their claim.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

MMR is town. Informed an Astrologer exists and is likely scum.

MMR has backpedaled on this part of their claim.

No they haven’t? I don’t think?

Why you didn't say you was informed

I made up the Informed part based off information inferred in our role PM.
I thought that claiming Informed would make people pay more attention to it and think about it if we got flipped.
-Rubella

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

This is why I want them to be clear though

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Why you didn't say you was informed

Because we're not. I gave the ok to do a reaction test but I had no idea what the reaction test was actually going to be. I cannot reiterate enough that I don't understand what the fuck happened here.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

They need to die. There’s too much back and forth of what is and isn’t their claim.

Whether they are actually town or scum is important though

It's understandable to just be of the position of 'they've played it badly enough that they should just get elimmed' but their actual alignment has consequences that could be game-deciding

I think there are signs that this could be a town slot.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Like here is this exact thing from a different member of the hydra.

Fwiw these were both me, Klick

I think t bone was talking about the different members of MMR, such as in his quote, and the claim 'oddnss'

B x

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

This is the behavior that is pinging me. It's like there is regret that the claim was made and slot would prefer not to talk about it and that we not talk about it.

I'm not here to discuss claims. What else would people like from our slot?
~Mumps

Considering the level to which your slots claim has causes trouble in this game, I'm not satisfied with this.

Please clearly full claim. I'm happy to discuss things afterwards.

Like here is this exact thing from a different member of the hydra.

Ohhhh I see what you mean
You're saying there's a consistent interest from multiple MMR heads to not discuss their claim

I can see why that'd be convenient to do as scum but I can also see them not wanting to discuss it as town

(I do really still want them to be clear though and my interest in diving deeper into their alignment diminishes quite a bit if they're not willing to do that)

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

VOTE: ppf

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

We checked the wagons to see if moving our vote would make the day end/feel happier and we decided that actually there were two scum reads (well, I kinda tr FB but they did replace frozen angel), on each wagon, so that didn't give us much help.

We have a poe of eight: maybe fire, enchant, RR, radical rat, toog, furtive, one of MMR/PPF. We're a bit flip floppy on mastina.
We think math, scarf and t bone are lock town (possibly ydrasse).

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Elimming PPF was acceptable earlier.

We really need to elim MMR.

I saw your logic for this earlier and I don't think this is accurate

You said 'we need to eliminate in {MMR, mastina} and {MMR, PPF} therefore we need to eliminate MMR'

when really what has happened is the elimination set has just become {MMR, mastina/PPF}

It hasn't suddenly made MMR the mechanically correct choice

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

I'm of the opinion that it's more protown for the day to end than to wait even considering the PRs
I understand the other perspective though

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

VOTE: MMR

I don't think PPF is going to flip scum and it's more likely that I'm just wrong on MMR's claim being town

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

And eh.
I feel like DDS chaging votes could be an attempt to create a stalemate.
-Rubella

You express a negative view of our slot any time we do something against yours

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

I'm of the opinion that it's more protown for the day to end than to wait even considering the PRs
I understand the other perspective though

explination please

The game stalling is just that bad
I'd rather have PRs act suboptimally and move the game along than us all just sit around

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

My priorities are

Accurate elimination > not stalling > waiting for replacements

Just because I want the day to end doesn't mean I stop caring who the elimination is

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

So my guess is that you’re a scum astrologer who hit Mastina and got Solar

See this isn't that far off from my harebrained pet theory that mastina's claim was a way for her to claim as truthfully as possible while actually being a Cult Leader or something similar
(being able to see if people are attuned to Solar or Lunar, AKA whether she can recruit them to her cult or not)

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

I'm of the opinion that it's more protown for the day to end than to wait even considering the PRs
I understand the other perspective though

No one cared when I posted this or wanted to post more thoughts but suddenly it's an outrage when someone actually hammers lol

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

I want you to be town unwnd
I don't think you are but if you actually are then pls convince me in like 3-4 game days instead of just getting miselimmed ty

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

She acts during Noon, so she can't be Lunar.

I'm trying to logic why either of these things are definitely true and I can't. Can you eli5?

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Regardless mastina isn't Lunar because mastina isn't MMR's partner

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

She acts during Noon, so she can't be Lunar.

I'm trying to logic why either of these things are definitely true and I can't. Can you eli5?

She said that all Solar Cult members were Sun attuned, and all Lunar Cult members were Moon attuned, and that this dictated when they (and Town PRs) could act. It is theoretically possible that mastina was lying about this, but it would be disproven if anyone flipped that didn't match, and then she would die, so as either Town or Scum she has no reason to say any of that unless she's absolutely sure.

My current theory is that attunement is what allows someone to be recruited by a cult
If mastina was targeted by a negative utility last night and no one died, I believe that could imply that mastina was recruited.

I'm not confident enough to just vote on it now, but that's my current impression of the situation

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

My list of people who are fairly likely to be scum at the moment, either aligned with MMR or not, and therefore who I'd love to vote today:

Radical Rat
Enchant
Toogeloo
Furtiveglance

VOTE: furtiveglance

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Over the night I also had mastina, Firebringer and unwnd as potential scum, but I think all three have interactions that make them unlikely to be partnered with MMR

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

I have 546 noted as specifically a reason unwnd until likely to be Lunar let's go see what that is

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

You guys are literally just settling for two wagons, which is poor IMO and only leads to miss execution and more wolf agenda.

I’m town and Radja is 50/50 so you guys are just sitting on two town.

You all need to be pressuring more and doing more please.
Wolves don’t just come around and be like “Hey! Look at me! I’m a wolf!”
You gotta do something about it.

We have days to do discussion and with it you can pressure slots and get more out of it.
Don’t just waste a day and let mafia linger around gaining little to no attention at all.

You think mine and tictac’s pressure on Mastina means anything? Lol.

To a wolf all they see is a town with 4 votes on them is voting them.
That’s it.


They don’t fear something they know they can miss execute.

Fact we have 4 votes meaning we are being suspected and if it’s only us voting a wolf chances are or at least the wolf thinks that no one else is going to pressure or jump onto them cause no one cares to follow the person voting them.

It’s simple mafia facts.

I already town read this slot but this is ++town, this feels like genuine frustration with the game state. I don't think you will be voted out today though, so while I understand the worry about your wagon I don't think it indicates that scum has so much influence that they can miseliminate you.

As far as voting out Mastina today, if I felt more confident in my scum read there than our current vote in Radja, then we might follow you there. All three of us in the PT have voiced concerns about Mastina, but we agree that Radja is more likely to flip red. Personally, it's a tonal read for me rather than content, Radja's posts sound like someone who's trying to sound townie rather than actually just be townie.

-Measles

PE: Angel's interactions with Rubella running parallel to a Mastina vote gives me bad vibes.

Wow.

My bad lmao

Ah, yeah
I think MMR genuinely scumreads Radja here or otherwise wants Radja dead and it's not the way a bus would play out

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

I have 546 noted as specifically a reason unwnd until likely to be Lunar let's go see what that is

Isn't likely to be Lunar*

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

You are a Lunar Starmaster

While you are alive, whenever your faction successfully performs a factional action on a player, you will passively learn the role of the target. If your faction targets a member of the Solar Cult, you will receive a result of vanilla, regardless of the target's role.
[REDACTED]
You win when your faction makes up half of the living players, and no members of the Solar Cult are alive.

I... thought this looked a LOT like mastina's claimed role? In a way that made me very suspicious of her claim.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

(expired on 2022-11-23 01:13:22) started at 48 hours

This is prod range for anyone PPF has that long to post final reads, be confirmed, or convince me not to shoot them, but three is pretty unlikely without the confirmed.

Don't shoot them because they're far from the most likely scum at the moment. There are several much much better choices for a shot than PPF.

If you want an interesting mech reason for not shooting them (and hear this out please because it's actually the primary thing compelling my current choice of preferred votes)

Town in multiball should as a top priority be removing players who could plausibly be members of either scumteam.

This is because the scumteams also have the ability to remove scum from the game. The more we limit the scum's options for nightkills (and similar mechanics), the more likely they are to crossfire.

Taking out PPF does the Lunar scumteam a favor, since they're almost certainly not Lunar scum and we wouldn't be making any progress towards solving for them. Instead, you could shoot someone who could feasibly be on either scumteam and make progress towards solving both teams at once.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

I expect this to fall on deaf ears but it is legitimately what I think regarding multiball in general

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Okay who is better and why?

I believe furtive/Toogeloo/RR/Enchant are all good shouts for either scumteam but that's mostly based on having no reason to townread any of them
They make sense with MMR, they make sense without MMR
But that's just my reads

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

My list of people who are fairly likely to be scum at the moment, either aligned with MMR or not, and therefore who I'd love to vote today:

Radical Rat
Enchant
Toogeloo
Furtiveglance

VOTE: furtiveglance

Didn't RR claim a doctor like role and no one died? Yet you still want to lim them?

~Titus

Yes? I have no issue with the concept of Solar having a factional ability that isn't a straight kill
I think factional Arsonist would fit flavor to match Lunar potentially having a factional Janitor kill

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

They're probably my least preferred option of that four fwiw
T-Bone is definitely a plausible NK target

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Does anyone have a good reason PPF shouldn’t be vigged?

Thought of another similar one
Lunar is just going to kill them for us so it'd be a free kill for Lunar

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Mastinaslot is probably a better shot than PPF
The more I think about mastina's claimed role the more it just feels like a scumclaim

Math and I have just been *blessed* by the Lunar and Solar gods and all of a sudden we *can't* be targeted by mastina?
There's zero reason for this to be true with the role that mastina claimed. There's no reason to stop her from targeting us if she just has an investigative role.

Unless her role is more than an investigative role.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

DDS, I won't fully clear you but you're at least not aligned with Furtiveglance

I think this is a sensible take
I'm leaning towards you being town right this second

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

I especially find Enchant grating, but that quality of being obstinate favors a town who literally does not fucking care. It's not the same as scum pretending not to care, because it's extremely unfiltered.

Did you follow Not Quite Normal Multiball 2 at all? I'm not seeing very many differences between Enchant's play here and his play in this game (he was scum). Though anyone who was in that game I'd love another opinion on Enchant's play here.

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Mastinaslot is probably a better shot than PPF
The more I think about mastina's claimed role the more it just feels like a scumclaim

Math and I have just been *blessed* by the Lunar and Solar gods and all of a sudden we *can't* be targeted by mastina?
There's zero reason for this to be true with the role that mastina claimed. There's no reason to stop her from targeting us if she just has an investigative role.

Unless her role is more than an investigative role.

How do you explain my role result?

That's the hangup I have currently.
I'm not sure what negative factional ability could have targeted Meuh last night that allows for Meuh to be Solar scum.
I suppose its possible for the factions to have weaker abilities on their off-night and stronger abilities on their on-night? So Meuh could have been targeted by like a weaker Lunar factional ability or something

I dunno. Role spec is annoying, scumhunting is much more fun

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Ydrasse is town because STD was super town
I don't really know how to read Ydrasse herself but I'd have a really hard time seeing STD's posting in this game as scum

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To rephrase on Ydrasse herself, I've seen her be basically like this and had a vaguely nullish read on her before and she's turned out town
I don't doubt that she could look basically like this as scum either

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Klick

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The problem is that I don't really know what you're capable of as scum or what you'd likely choose to do. My 'scumreads' are rarely people I think are hard scum, just people who have given me no reason to think they're town. I didn't have much of a problem reading your posts and being like 'yeah I could see scum choosing to push what you're currently pushing'.

Today you seem town to me because I can pretty clearly see how your train of thought is forming. I kinda buy that you've looked at how things went yesterday and been like 'that was a bunch of town going at each other's throats'. Whereas a lot of your posting yesterday was flat, agenda-driven and blatantly aiming against the mastina-controlled gamestate and that sort of thing is easy to see coming from a town or scum mindset.

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Can you remind me which post you're talking about? I'm looking for it for reference but struggling

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Plus again you're not even speaking to the reality of the game. I am the only one scumreading you. Who are all these people scumreading you that you need to shut up?

Frustratingly it seems everyone else thinks that when you are scummy it's a town tell for you so good job I guess? Sorry, I believe everyone plays to the best of their ability and can't town read bad posts just because "that's the way they post". You're certainly smart enough to play into other players' perception of how you play, yeah?

You keep making a number of posts that I'd consider bad posts, but I think it's town indicative for you

Be specific.

So the root thing that irks me about your posts and general stance in this game is the hard and fast rules you set yourself and expect everyone else to follow when it comes to proper play and solving. You'll say things that are essentially 'this person is scum because this post is bad' that feel like takes that have very little to do with how likely someone is to be scum, and have a lot more to do with how you personally *want* town and scum to play. And that's really frustrating to me. I'm not here to have a series of logical arguments about a bunch of things that ultimately feel irrelevant to someone's alignment, I'm here to find and take out scum. The ballroom dance of hashing it out in a detailed argument often just favours the players who are best at playing that specific way, regardless of their alignment/accuracy/anything that actually benefits town. And so the way you just casually state what town should be doing and say that someone is scum because they aren't doing things that you think are beneficial just looks clearly innacurate as a way of solving to me.

You're probably town though, and I think that largely because of the way you are making yourself the center of attention narratively in the thread. You're doing more than you'd need to be doing right now for scum utility I think. You're also doing a bunch of things that don't intuitively make you look good to the thread at large, which I don't think you bother doing if you're scum here.

I'm not super interested in going into even more specifics than this because it doesn't feel like a productive use of my time. If you wanted like a selection of your own quotes from me or something then sorry, but I feel like this is as close as I can get to an accurate response to this.

Oh yeah this one
Brb but I'll respond to this in a bit

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So I've skimmed T-Bone's ISO to refresh the read a bit.

The main thing I notice is that T-Bone's read and perspective on the game is very clearly portrayed in the thread as the game goes on. He has a progression and it's really clear and it's clear when things change as well. I largely believe T-Bone believes the things he's saying in the thread and he doesn't seem concerned about holding back.

I think T-Bone is particularly unlikely to be Lunar scum. His interaction around MMR and the wagon there doesn't feel like a partner at all and feels more like he just thinks MMR is a good vote.

I think it's more likely that T-Bone is just town than Solar scum. I won't rule out T-Bone as possible scum, but he has a broad range of reads, he's not afraid to express them, and they aren't like consensus reads. I also believe T-Bone is playing like he expects a large amount of the players he suspects to be scum, like he's searching for a large pool of scum, not just one scumteam.

So right now he's reading like town to me

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Where does T-Bone fit into all this? I mention T-Bone because you gave him a stern talking to based on play. I suggested a shot there because I think your conclusion could've been wrong, and everything you pointed out was actually just him being scum and being overly critical without consequence.

I will say that I can see this perspective and why you think it. The reason I don't think this behaviour is scum indicative from T-Bone is because I've seen the critical stuff from him previously in town games of his, so I'm at least aware that it's not unnatural for him to be critical the way he has been as town.

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VC 1.0.11


Mastina (7) Frozen Angel, Mathblade, professotic, MMR, T-Bone, Radical Rat, Maid Cafe [E-2]


Maid Cafe (2) Enchant, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow

professotic (1) Mastina,
scarfmanship (1) Furtiveglance
Frozen Angel (1) Radja
Mathblade (1) Yume
Radical Rat (1) Bunnyonce
Dingle Dangle Scarecrow (1) Scarfmanship

Not Voting (2) Save the Dragons, Past Present Future,


With 17 Alive it takes 9 to Eliminate
Deadline: 4 Days*

*Deadline will not officially decrease below 4 days Save The Dragon's replacement is found.

Also, look at this VC. If we are reading csf's result as a clear (or scum tried to shoot other scum??) Then this VC is super interesting: its made up of a null, town, probably flipped town, scum, town, scum and scum read of ours. I don't think every scum is on this wagon, or that their isn't bussing, but it feels accurate to the point of conf!bias..

B

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I think that the town prs maybe aren't massively powerful/can be messed with. I also still don't 100% understand this attuned thing, but having 'burn' instead of kill, and rr's role if he's being truthful, does suggest that their could be more than one factional ability,which i'd decided earlier probably wasn't true and that Mmr just used their factional ability on drapion.

Ugh.

B x

I did kinda agree with toog, t bone hasn't claimed anything afaik, whereas lots of people have claimed or softed...

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Unwnd has died. Their role was

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

Now with 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Shocked by this.

Why didn’t he even try to solve?

Lmao you think he wasn't trying to solve???

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Unwnd has died. Their role was

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

Now with 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Shocked by this.

Why didn’t he even try to solve?

I asked the mod if the unwnd kill occurred due to MathBlade's post in the thread. Notably, the question could not be answered. This leaves open the possibility that the unwnd kill was a factional action submitted privately instead of specifically caused by Math posting in the thread.

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Ignore quote

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Then why didn’t MMR ever push us then? Roden only voted us to save their scum asses. If they had actually checked us and gotten a guilty, then why did they wait until they were at risk of getting limmed?

If they weren’t bssing and had a gulity on us - impossible both due to role flip and our alignment - then why did they hesitate as long as they did to vote us?

Because they were fucking lying. They never checked us but saw how Math was pushing Titus and thought they’d take a chance to see if they could get us run up or not. But when they saw it was between us or them - ONLY THEN did they vote us - despite us not having actually claimed anything, despite Titus claiming not arsetic.

They have Ircher in their hydra who should have known their botched claim was garbage, which is why RH never voted us. Only Roden did to save themselves. How is this not obvious?

The crossed out text is the wrong conclusion. But if you get the correct answers to the questions in the non crossed out text, you solve the whole system. I've been asking for people to find the window where PPF is town. I see it, but I don't think anyone else does. And I want someone else, who isn't PPF, to come up with it.

Hi, I strongly believe PPF is town by play

I don't really have some sort of gotcha answer to the question you want an answer to, but I will say that even with the result MMR claimed, their in-thread conclusion wasn't immediately 'so PPF is scum'
I think there's evidence that the Lunar scumteam as a whole didn't have what they would consider a guilty on PPF. Because if they did, I don't think I would have been the first person to explain the result to Rubella in a way that made them go 'oh PPF is scum'

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The idea that PPF aren't trying is more nonsense than the idea that unwnd wasnt trying to solve

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If lunar kills and janitors me and you know I am town you’ll know I had mechanical reasons to think what I did.

And if I've been in a game with you before and know that things that we have to 'just trust you' on tend to be not true a worryingly high proportion of the time?

Don't think I've forgotten who kept saying I was confirmed scum for ambiguous role-related reasons in NQNM2 when we were both town

You're going to have to be a lot more explicit if you want this townie to follow your word.

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Like with all due respect I've seen this act before and I've come to expect it not to produce results. You can't blame me for not trusting you here even though I think you're town.

The info you have can't be so scum-benefitting that it justifies being this vague *again*.

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Like with all due respect I've seen this act before and I've come to expect it not to produce results. You can't blame me for not trusting you here even though I think you're town.

The info you have can't be so scum-benefitting that it justifies being this vague *again*.

@MathBlade

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Good thing I don’t think you’re town so…*shrug*

Another almost exact quote from NQNM2. Anything to justify making your claims without justifying them. And the worst part is you probably are town.

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So you've got myself and PPF as Solar then Math? Because I can't be Lunar, and PPF is a very unlikely MMR partner (unless that's the argument you want to make lol)

If you think we're both scum why aren't you actually just pushing for that as a scumteam
If you thought that at any point before the unwnd shot then why was unwnd your shot instead of either of us

Or is that read just convenient justification for continuing not to explain the claims you want to assert in the thread

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Good thing I don’t think you’re town so…*shrug*

Another almost exact quote from NQNM2. Anything to justify making your claims without justifying them. And the worst part is you probably are town.

And I was right on FL. The thing I was most insulted on.

How about instead of bringing up where I was wrong and being negative being positive if you’re town?

Where do we agree what are your reads?

Same issue with PPF too much negativity no positivity.

No, you're not going to do this again either.

You have made claims. You want to be listened to on them, but you have not given sufficient justification for them. There is reason to believe that your information is not reliable/not what you claim it to be (because it has worked out that way when you've made similar claims in the past). You have the most posts in the thread and want to assert what you claim through sheer domination of the conversation. Be accountable.

I've been very clear about my reads and they haven't changed much since last time I posted them. If you have a scumread on me, surely you've looked at me in depth enough to have seen those posts.

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As the sun begins to set, a ray of sunlight catches onto Mathblade and surrounds him. Likewise, as the moon rises the moonlight surrounds Dingle Dangle Scarecrow. They are surrounded by radiant and ethereal light.

Mathblade is blessed by the solar god Helius. He cannot be aligned with the Lunar Cult. If he was eliminated during this phase, the Solar Cult would have been vanilaised. The Solar Cult was the only group with access to this information.

Dingle Dangle Scarecrow is blessed by the lunar goddess Luna. They cannot be aligned with the Solar Cult. If they were eliminated during this phase, the Lunar Cult would have been vanilaised. The Lunar Cult was the only group with access to this information.

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Thus begins Night 1! Send me anything you might do!

The deadline for the night is 1 day.

This timer will likewise freeze at 24 hours remaining until I receive a replacement for Maid Cafe.

I haven’t been pushing you as Solar because you can’t be.

My top theory for your slot is Lunar traitor

And that PPF is Solar ergo not teamed

Oh lol I've had these mixed up in my head

Sick townslip gg

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Spoiler:

K well i dont know my attunement and shooting me is a legitimate waste

Did it? That was pretty much a scramble situation with MMR botching a claim

I thought that botched claim was some wacky town gambit. I also thought mastina wanting MMR (see: i thought she was scum) made me retract my vote

If you look, you'll see me as one of the first votes on MMR lol

I mean literally shoot my ass if you're soooo convinced

I have nothing to lose

Go on mathblade

Do it

Then start holding those motherfuckers more accountable who misread me

I'm calling your bkuff

Shoot me so you can be the last chapter of that shitshow that started with you and mastina in the first place

I will be a martyr

I get dogged on for trying to change things in a game stick in limbo

I'm sick of you acting like you own the joint

Shoot me and let your stubbornness die with me

I want you to recognize how much you've been an obstructive force to this game

I'm dogged on for not following orders like a dog

I have no shame other than my misconception of mastinas play

What are the reasons for me being scum?

I bet you can't find good ones from any individual

Don't let mathblade continue to play deputy

I'd like others to start suggesting shots not just me, cause shouldn't i have partners? Another thing nobody had to say about

You are literally the only person

Good job, roll over

Like i want town to win even without me

If im shot or limmed or whatever the fuck

Then i want to know where people will go next

How did you sr this @Math? Toog made the exact same mistake with Koba in Anything uPick. Why would scum try to go out of their way to antagonize vig?

Common scum trope of Anger AtE to try to get a vote to move

I asked many simple questions for collaboration unwd instead chose anger and not doing anything related and dared me. Pretty simple thing considering the theory I had for Solar

You have personal experience with town players getting that angry in a similar fashion. That shouldn't make you think unwnd is more likely scum than town.

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I've been very clear about my reads and they haven't changed much since last time I posted them. If you have a scumread on me, surely you've looked at me in depth enough to have seen those posts.

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Is this going anywhere or is this yet more spam?

You have 850 fucking posts oh my god this is in such bad faith

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Alright, exiting this conversation now.

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i just vt so no complaint

Who's your preferred kill right now? Let's say if you had to pick 1 player for MB to shoot, and if they're Town you get voted out.

Probably unwnd idk i gave this game 3 braincells max

Am i a shot candidate

Honestly no. You said something yesterday that makes me think you’re town but antitown to highlight

Wat did i say

Ydrasse posts either to harass me or subtweet while was harassing me

i’m playing to wincon

MathBlade come on. This is far lower than the bar Ydrasse usually sets.

@furtiveglance

viewtopic.php?t=89363&f=3&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go

Give this a read-through. If your argument is that Ydrasse is scum because she wouldn't 'set the bar' this low as town, I believe this game is a counterexample.

I'm not necessarily arguing that this is a case for her being *town*, but I do believe it provides an alternative to the worldview you've stated where you think she's just given up scum.

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Is this going anywhere or is this yet more spam?

You have 850 fucking posts oh my god this is in such bad faith

My posts aren’t spam.

They’re moving the game forward.

Yours are active lurking.

You said you distrust me yet don’t discuss reads and don’t do anything else.

You're not interested in my reads, you'd have discussed them by now if you were.

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You've not looked, you don't give a shit, you've decided I'm scum and don't have a legitimate interest in discussing reads with Mr

I've told you where you can find my reads. If you actually care about discussing them, go and look for them. Show any semblance of good faith and I'll engage in that discussion with you if you really want it.

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Alright, exiting this conversation now.

I'm very bad at this
Or rather I find it really hard to let things go when they're blatantly untrue and being repeated ad nauseum

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hello i am here to save the game from this shit

DDS's reads are:

dds town [implicit]
tbone, scarf locktown 4204 [tbone again in 4501]
PPF town 4825
ydrasse null 4489-4490
math town(?)

yume/csf never mentioned ever so probably null

firebringer was scum but isnt partnered with mmr (?) 4360

enchant scum 4484
mwah scum 4476
furtive/Toogeloo/RR scum 4470

Ugh fine I'll use this post as a reference for where I (Klick) am currently at

Solid townreads that I feel confident in:
CSF (not sure how this has never been mentioned, the several meta reads on Yume being town are almost certainly right, I don't think Yume has very much potential to deceive at that level)
Ydrasse
PPF
MathBlade
T-Bone
Scarfmanship

I'm conflicted on Meuh/Mastina, there's a lot going on with that slot. If I don't overthink it the slot reads as town to me, but I find the claim really fishy. So *shrug*

Firebringer isn't Lunar but could be Solar

Enchant/furtive/Toogeloo/RR are left and I could see any of them flipping either flavor of scum really easily

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DDS town => unlikely

TBone => Not scum without RR because mechanics imho

Ppf town by play => already refuted and destroyed which DDS ignored

Ydrasse null => I can see this interpretation but they’re probably town

Yume/CSF => is a key part of day open not having a read there is sus

Firebringer is meh just uninterested

Enchant => agree scum

Meuh scum => unlikely but only with PPF and/or CSF/Yume

Furtive => agree scum

Toog => seems bored NAI

RR => unlikely scum. Preventing burning and announcing it is kinda a weird scum power. Would have to be lunar and I don’t buy that.

Green = agree, no real need to discuss
Red = disagree and I don't think anything productive will come out of us discussing this
Yellow = let's chat


What's your read on Yumeslot? I think Yume is town. I don't think they were playing to anything resembling a scum win condition. I think the several meta reads on this being town Yume can be trusted.

If I'm to trust that you actually have reason to believe mastina's role is legitimate, then my faith in her being town goes up drastically. I have understandable trouble accepting this point from you without literal evidence though, and that's probably just going to have to do for now.

I agree that Toog's behaviour so far is mostly NAI. The reason I have them as likely scum is mostly because I have a large amount of townreads. They fit as scum in the puzzle. PoE scum essentially.

Your RR point is interesting to me. What disqualifies RR from being Solar scum who is just lying about preventing burns?

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Scarf, if you've got thoughts on stuff I'd also be interested in chatting with you

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Your RR point is interesting to me. What disqualifies RR from being Solar scum who is just lying about preventing burns?

Ohhhh T-Bone saying he had a burn prevented yes yes

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I'll have to look back at MMR/RR interactions to see what I think about the chances of RR being Lunar scum at some point
But that's definitely helpful to cross RR off as Solar

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Yume/CSF slot I scumread mechanically but TR by play.
Mechanically Yume/CSF slot says Meuh/Mastina was affected by either a negative action or a kill. The latter is unlikely and the former there is no evidence of either way given unwd flipped VT. It feels slimy. It feels designed but I don’t know why yet. It also contradicts with them offering to have checked me. It’s the same feeling I got in the normal until I put things together.

Assume RR is lying about being able to prevent burns. Then either A) TBone is in on it or B) Another scum can. Both theories seem a stretch and more likely the ability is true. If the ability is true then the only scum would be Solar possible for RR. Given how early RR voted MM a bus is unlikely. Possible but unlikely so I think RR is pretty close to lock town.

I've got no real issues with the Yume/CSF claim, I don't have enough info about what else is going on IRT negative actions in this setup to form an opinion there and would rather go with the play-based evidence that is available to me that suggests Yume was town.

I'll evaluate the likelihood of RR being Lunar with MMR tomorrow, need sleep now.

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Definitely would be satisfied with a furtive elimination. I think that's where our vote is currently?

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Yeah

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Klick, do you think there’s recruitment in this game?

I'm not really sure

I think if there IS recruitment it's likely to be heavily limited (per Meg's statement that bastard elements are 'kept to a minimum')

If all the attunement stuff is legit then I think it's likely that attunement would have something to do with whether a player could be recruited by a particular scumteam because that makes sense as a design choice

I'm mostly scumhunting as though it's 11-3-3 and there's not recruitment until we have more credible reason to suspect otherwise though because those are nice round scumhuntable teams

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Basically scumteams of 2 feel cheap to me because they have very little vested interest in things that aren't survival and they blur the line between town and scum behaviour, especially in multiball
So I'd rather assume we're at least dealing with 3 on each team. And if there's less than that, then I guess that's more power to us

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I played with Town Ydrasse. This is not it

Okay. I've played with Town Ydrasse too and this really easily could be it.
It's disappointing that you've had evidence placed in front of you and instead of looking at it and then telling me it doesn't apply, are instead just refusing to engage with it entirely

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(I’m currently dubious towards your intentions though i believe town you could get stuck on a bad tunnel so i want to see you actually give thought to your ideas)
(Also though you seem highly uninteractive with your reads and then get pissy when suspected so i’m ? about you overall)

Basically this. I've seen town!furtive engage like this before but I've got no issue seeing this as scum!furtive trying to imitate that energy

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@ furtive

I agree with a lot of what you have said, in particular MathBlade needs like 600 less posts if he wants anyone to want to engage with the thread

Engage with what I've said though because I'm trying to get a sense of genuine thought from you and it's not reassuring that you won't have a skim through an ISO that will provide some perspective on someone you claim is definitely scum for specific reasons

Listening is a two-way street

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The problem is he isn't scum
The things that are widely disliked about how he's currently playing are the reasons he isn't scum

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Honestly, I think scarf is town.

More context on the math thing last night: it came out of a discussion me and klick had about math, who, apart from mastina, is one of our strongest 'meta' reads. We were discussing other games in which math had been adameent about something incorrect, usually about mech (for example, in team mafia 2020 math was sure he wouldhe been the nk one night,and wasn't, and that meant scum had a traitor, which meant....) And none of it was correct.

We'd be very, very Sus of someone else claiming their role had extra bits to not disclose, and honestly I think any clarity around the recruitment/attunement thing would be pro-town, as it's currently maybe Innfo only a select few/scum have, but we don't find it as Sus as we probably should.

B

A readlist from PPF would still be massively appreciated, along with furtive responding to ydrasse

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Agree with the above, good succinct way of expressing my Math TR
-Klick

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I don't think scarf is dominating as much as you think? I had them as nully scum until the middle of yesterday and then to me, along with unwind who was similar, they Townes it up.

We seem to agree about math.

There's the outstanding question about you being confirmable though, have I missed it?

Are those people you picked out town, or just easier to read? I think CSF is the most town from that list, with t bone, ydrasse and neuh on the 'id like to be town' list

B

P-edit sorry, you posted reads! Lemme go look

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Yes, DDS being blessed was vindication for why that wagon never went anywhere and instead got me counterwagoned. Too bad the counterwagon was only Past Present Future, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow, Mastina, who all make those votes regardless of alignment. Shoutouts to tbone for saving me the work of digging up people who mentioned DDS. So if anyone was scum fakepushing DDS it was.. furitive? Ehhhh,,, ok.. not interested, dead end for now

I have 2/3 members of one scum team, maybe 1/3 of another but i haven't looked into it as much, but it's not good to reveal yet based on what happened so far today, anyways random vote VOTE: firebringer, keep developing the day ladies and gents, cheers, lets get the replacements posting

...I read back scarf in iso to find where my read changed and I actually found their early game quite town but quite annoying, also they wanted us dead aot more than I processed. However, the quoted post really made me town bin them. Like, where's the scum motivation?

I think we have some similar 'id be fine with elimming this' slots. What do people think about furtive being a fairly consensus sr?

B x