New Year Dance Party [afterparty]

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please dont be someone who sucks please dont be someone who sucks

Famous last words

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I will try my best this game, first dance game for me

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Are you at least a cutie with a booty?

Is there a way to change partners?

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Furtive has said actual zero words in the PT.

Can you help me out with a TLDR or something? Replacing in is a bit difficult

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Stuff happened
I paired wirh irrel because he has a long skirt and a short jacket
More stuff happened

Now you're caught up what's your hero solve

Based on the back end of the pairing that I read, I would guess that more than one mafia was in the last 3/5 to be paired, because a mafia was left out.

Otherwise, I think the thread would make more of an effort to save the mafia (SirCakez)

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What would you say if someone did try to subtly get sircakes paired

What would I say? I'd say it was sus.

Do you mean what would it look like or something? Or are you saying that someone did try to get SirCakez paired? If so, who?

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What would you say if someone did try to subtly get sircakes paired

What would I say? I'd say it was sus.

Do you mean what would it look like or something? Or are you saying that someone did try to get SirCakez paired? If so, who?

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Yep that is sus

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I could vote Norwee for that but there's also value in just sitting here and looking at the VC

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Given we lim in pairs, I think it's more useful for me to think about this in terms of how we whittle down pairs.

So my general thoughts on the game right now are:

SHOULD STAY DANCING FOREVER LIKE IN THE MOVIE GHOST.

Firebringer & GuiltyLion
Meuh & Shirou
fireisredsir & Ydrasse
midwaybear & Enchant

UNOwen & VP Baltar

NorwegianboyEE & Aristeia
Save The Dragons & Irrel
Thestatusquo & furtiveglance

BOOMER ASS SHIT, PLS STOP DANCING. CRINGE.

I literally just got here why am I at the bottom

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Given we lim in pairs, I think it's more useful for me to think about this in terms of how we whittle down pairs.

So my general thoughts on the game right now are:

SHOULD STAY DANCING FOREVER LIKE IN THE MOVIE GHOST.

Firebringer & GuiltyLion
Meuh & Shirou
fireisredsir & Ydrasse
midwaybear & Enchant

UNOwen & VP Baltar

NorwegianboyEE & Aristeia
Save The Dragons & Irrel
Thestatusquo & furtiveglance

BOOMER ASS SHIT, PLS STOP DANCING. CRINGE.

I literally just got here why am I at the bottom

I think shea is scum. it's not really you. You can be a hero and leave your partner though.

If I strongly scumread my partner then I will. The thing is that if they're Town I'll feel really guilty for unilaterally taking their fun away

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why would I try to sort my partner in thread instead of in my PT which is designed for such things?

how has that been going?

I haven't posted a lot, still catching up

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I might as well throw my vote down alongside the IC

VOTE: NorwegianBoyEE

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what changed from 30 seconds ago?

Nothing really

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List the scummy shit I've done, please. You can't just assert I've "said scummy shit" when the only thing you deigned to comment on me from your catchup you agreed with.

Give quotes bruh.

Things shea has done:

1) Being a wimp all game until being called out about being a wimp.
2) Being a fake tough guy after being called out.
3) Advocating for keeping cakez over enchant.
4) Shitting on ari for pushing on cakez. (shirt-jacket nonsense)
5) Dropping the notion that shirou is maybe scum after catching cakez for being too in the know.


Now, perhaps the counter argument here is that Shea is once again scumsiding early in the game, and the lack of aggression early is a New Years good vibes shift. I personally think there is ample reason here to not let Shea live until endgame.

Also, who is he scumhunting here? Until I started pushing on him fairly directly, I couldn't tell you much of a position he had in the game. It was coasting and pretty meh at that.

This sure is the most uncharitable reading of every single thing I've done in the game said in the rudest possible tone. Can you like...just not?

Yeah I'm not a fan of this language from VP either

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what about cakez's posts says town to you

i think enchant is probably town

I certainly had a horse in this race

Well done smartypants

I think it's pretty clear that Enchant is only Mafia if midwaybear is also Mafia.

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what about cakez's posts says town to you

i think enchant is probably town

I certainly had a horse in this race

Well done smartypants

I think it's pretty clear that Enchant is only Mafia if midwaybear is also Mafia.

why

in the situation where enchant and cakez are both scum, why does midway have to be scum to choose enchant over cakez?

My bad, I thought Enchant chose. In that case, Midwaybear is only scum if Enchant is also scum

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Hey no, that's my job. Go be afk in your PT or something so I can die at intermission. Do you see how obv town our slots are?
pedit: Oooo VOTE: Fireisred

idk furtive recently gave me doubts on his slot.

Ok you said this twice now what did I do

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Don't vote for my partner it kills me. Pls spare a thought

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Furtive, can we get some thoughts from you. Preferably a detailed explanation of your Maria townread?

Calling themselves obvtown maiy, saying we will be the once per game kill.

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Mainly

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Furtive, can we get some thoughts from you. Preferably a detailed explanation of your Maria townread?

Calling themselves obvtown maiy, saying we will be the once per game kill.

Wait, so you are townreading the slot because they said they were obvtown? I'm not following exactly.

Yes I don't see Mafia do that usually

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GL was right for wrong read then...that's the value of having an IC and sheeping them.

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but for real, I still don't think MariaR is scum at all and I don't like this push. StD/Irrel pair seems like a better lim, but that's pending some reread. I'm not sure how I feel about furtive at the moment either, that'd be a more likely vote for me than Maria at this point

I'd like to survive either way

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Why

Are you invested in this game?

I am in the sense of wanting to live and wanting to win, but admittedly not yet in the sense of having strong reads

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GuiltyLion drop another insane read on a Town paired with a Mafia you think is Mafia paired with a Town

Also I'm confirmed Town for being rude about your skills

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I am also certain that by MariaR style she has called herself obvtown at some point as scum. So I really need to search to prove that to you Furt?

You seem to not have much on term of reads except coincidentally town reading your partner.

Who does this behavior remind me of again?

Ah yeah Ati. People also said that behavior or hers wasn't scummy, look at how that turned out.

Ok, here's a VCA argument. A few people were voting us yesterday while I was voting Mafia with the IC. Only reason I haven't voted yet is because I'm waiting on GL.

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Gimli, the pairs were done earlier in the game not chosen pregame

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We always vote for a pair, after one more elimination mafia will get to kill a town/town pair and then we carry on voting

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I will tone down if I am wrong on MariaR.

Guys, please?

The MariaR/Furt shouldn't be one of the last two pairs anyway.

Why are you pushing this so hard?

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furtive, what's your read on maria?

Seems really town to me. Really town. Not just saying that because I want to live, in the PT Maria is very towny

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furtive, what's your read on maria?

Seems really town to me. Really town. Not just saying that because I want to live, in the PT Maria is very towny

100% Survival mode

Are you calling me scum now?

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I will tone down if I am wrong on MariaR.

Guys, please?

The MariaR/Furt shouldn't be one of the last two pairs anyway.

Who should be the last two pairs then?

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what do you think of these wagons? are you voting maria for maria, or for furtive? how about unowen and vpbaltar?

i think furative is more likely to be scum at this point. he seems invested in living this game without providing reads or any indication he's playing, which makes me think he's obligated to be alive, because he's scum.

i think mariar has a low chance of being scum. i liked her predecessor a lot for town

as far as unowen and vpb i think there's scum equity there, moreso on vpb's side imo, but not enough for me to vote there at the moment.

This is complete BS. All I've done is rep in and vote off a pair which contained Mafia.

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Just ignoring me now^^

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No one pushing us is actually addressing the most important info about me which is my correct vote yesterday, and the fact we were a CW to scum. I feel invisible

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This is bringing me back to late 2018 when everyone was so scared of my wolf game I'd just get pushed regardless even if the case was disproven. Although, if it was late 2018 I'd be posting a ton of ate kek. I think I'm gonna just read up on my townreads.

Do you think people are voting you out of fear? Because that's certainly a take.

As far as the Shea/Ari interaction, I've been thinking a lot about that actually. That interaction was so weird and felt very unnatural when it was happening. I mentioned this to Owen in our PT, but it was just such an obscure thing that they were both arguing and I did not get it at all. Maybe it was Ari contorting, but it also seems to be that it could have felt so unnatural because it was truly theatrical distancing.

For people not named Maria and furtive, I think the correct play is to follow Shirou here. We've caught two scum so far that align with Shirou's viewpoint. I don't think M/F should live to endgame, so I don't see so much value in not letting this ride. My personal top choice today would be to lim Irrel/STD team, but Shirou has bought enough good will that I'm willing to trust there for another one. If he's wrong, we can shift tactics tomorrow.

Someone said something about sheeping GL, which isn't terrible, but I'd be more inclined if I felt like he was as fully invested in the game as Shirou. I think GL would willingly say that's not the case.

??????

Yeah let's vote out a random pair I don't even scumread just because my townread wants it

Are you really that kind of player?

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Yeah let's vote out a random pair I don't even scumread just because my townread wants it

Are you really that kind of player?

You think I haven't scum read Shea/Maria this game? You also seem heavily invested in survivalism more than scum hunting. Your squad is not a bad bet at all for scum, even if there are some doubts I have on each of you.

If Maria is somehow red, I'm a clown. But they aren't. So you're a clown.

I'm not gonna sit here and take this. Was waiting on GL to be my Superman but apparently not.

I think Gimli is Town but STD is just lazy scum

VOTE: SaveTheDragons/Gimli

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i’m not voting mariar/furtive, sorry
nothing said so far has made me really go “waow” case wise
i strongly believe a scum tsq does not act as he does in this game
furtive is less town imo but beyond being a quieter player he’s done nothing that i think is egregiously scummy in his time in the game.

i will say that 2284 set off some alarms just now because i don’t know if vp baltar shirks responsibility onto another player like that and does it at a time when one of the the other clearest alternatives is his pair being voted. maybe i’m being too harsh on what i think of vpb as a player but it felt very complacent

id consider voting gimli the slot hasn’t impressed on rep in and seemed mired in asking easy questions that were answered in setup post, std isn’t super towny but i’m not like -_- there either. i don’t feel great about it as an alternative tho

meuh/owen are preferred

Good reads you are town for this

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Why do you think gimli is town is probably a better question

Asking the right questions

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i don’t know if vp baltar shirks responsibility onto another player like that and does it at a time when one of the the other clearest alternatives is his pair being voted. maybe i’m being too harsh on what i think of vpb as a player but it felt very complacent

I'm actually very collaborative as town. I'll lead if I feel like that's the role I need to play, but I'm just as happy to play support. I don't think I'm super invested in this game either, so being more supportive makes sense fmpov.

If M/F flips T/T, you can certainly get upset at me rather than shirou. I think shirou is likely 100% town here (unless power bussing, in which case gg). So feel free to come at me if you like, but I think this is the optimal play for the town today, short of limming relly/std, which doesn't seem to have support.

VP read on Owen? Looks absent to me

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Iso'd Owen and happy to vote there if need be

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@Unowen your leafs are dazzling and I would like you to come be part of the MariaR/Furt wagon family. What would it take for this dream of mine to be realized?

Flattery has got you 80% of the way. What do you think of Ydrasse? I have a feeling she's scum.

This will probably sound like pocketing but I almost posted a "maybe Ydra is scum" from the fact she seems to like even Furtive slot so much. It feels TMI to town read furt here if he's town, except maybe if you townread a lot Ausuka, but that's not what I got from her post.

I didn't want to upset more people than I should in order to get my wagon but oh well if sharing those "secret" thoughts about ydra help us mindmeld...

If MariaR is town, my next suspect would be Firebringer, but considering he's with he IC and will self-resolve, I could attempt to wagon fire/ydra with you tomoŕrow as a trade-off if we get MariaR flip today. I can't guarantee I would stay there the entire day but I would try to for at least half. How does that exchange of voting sound?

I dislike both fire/ydra insistence on hard town reading MariaR/Furt

I think townreading me is just sensible, more than scumreading me anyway. All I've done is vote off mafia.

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So this is my

ultimatum

here:

I am not voting a pair that has one of it's people vote MariaR. Until the end of the game, no matter what, or until I die. (Unless MariaR is flipped). I mean this literally no matter the situation.

I am also not leaving the dance until MariaR is flipped no matter what you say about Meuh, and if any of you have a problem with that, either kill my pair or give me MariaR flip.

You're guaranteed to have me "gamethrow" if me and her pair are alive together by the end of this game, I am gonna keep voting her or a pair that doesn't want to vote them, don't care about the arguments or even if I think they are more likely town than scum. I need to kill scum more than I need "town reads".

I am gonna simply stop caring about this game for my mental health sake unless MariaR dies. That's it now good luck finding scum when Cakez literally admitted to be scum and no one said anything about it.

I had to stop shitposting and roleplaying to effort a bit because the possibility that it was a scumclaim kept haunting me and apparently for good reason.

All of this isn't anti-wincon because my wincon literally is to kill all scum and I believe MariaR is scum.

I do also think that in a vacuum TSQ replace out comes from town more often than not but the last time I trusted this sort of tell from an alt of someone well known in this site, they were scum and just made me almost lose the game for technically out of game influence. It wasn't fun. We are supposed to not read replacements as alignment indicative and that's what I am gonna do to not only not have regrets but also not blame the result of my reads on this game on others.

I am sorry if I am wrong on MariaR and I can be but I need and want this flip. Unless you guys get scum out of my suspects lists. Then I can reconsider maybe.

Fine, do this

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The above is dramatic and toxic, sorry.

But I am going crazy here getting into arguments with people about MariaR, haven't been able to concentrate on stuff outside of the game and etc. I need to disconnect myself from this game if I am not getting MariaR flip ever (What sounds like it's gonna happen? You all want to kill the people that can/do cast votes on her).

If the pair needs to die eventually anyway, why not now?

If you think the pair is t/t...well, I disagree and don't know how to engage this game freshly with that perspective on mind. So I may be the problem and need to chill out.

Idk man like I said before MariaR seems really town to me, in the PT and in the main thread. Only completed game with Maria is schadd's Large Normal (towngame) and I townread her quite early. If I'm wrong I'm a clown but that's the nature of mafia.

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Furitives focus has been on survival when a town mindset is one that may require sacrifice. You may have to kill your partner if they're scum in a dance game. So the right mindset would be to sort your partner and figure out if you need to leave.

Instead, furitive has done absolutely NOTHING to advance the town win condition except sheep the IC who was right about the pair but wrong about the person. Could be a bus. His only real case is an OMGuS vote because I'm apparently lazy scum (no elaboration) so I think he's projecting.

I'm not sure what you usually expect from replacements. I haven't read the first 50 or so pages and probably never will. I voted correctly, judge me on that. I find your frequent in thread jokey posts combined with your trajectory (against me/Maria) concerning and sinister. Have you ever explained your suspicion (at the time that you voted)? It was on Maria right? Were you just sheeping? What I mean by lazy is that I don't see thought process.

But yeah, it's funny if you're implying that I as scum was feeling lazy and decided to call you lazy scum.

wow Meuh I'll have a look at this and see if I'm scum

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furtive was very survival focused in datisis cafe but i think he can be that way as town too was kinda what i was thinking when i referenced house of the dragon

it is true here tho that there is less incentive for town to be strictly survival oriented bc its possible your partner can be scum

ig whats hard is sorting through whether furtive's strong townread on maria is out of necessity or if it's a genuine read. if it's a genuine read then it's understandable that he would be survival focused, and i also think it's understandable that he would have that read

Yes I know we're not Masons, but I townread Maria. You guys aren't in our PT, so you don't know.

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I guess I'd like to see receipts on how he got there

Is this about me on Maria?

Tone: Solving in thread, and has a consistent and compelling gameview in the PT

Logic/VCA: Was a counter to scum yesterday

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Summon GuiltyLion to the main thread

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ari's scumgame is good but i think she isn't at all afraid to be straightforward and just push for what she wants

last time i played against her i saw the points at which it looked like she could be making these same types of pushes of scum agenda but i wasn't willing to pull the trigger on it partly bc it seemed like it was almost too blatant (specifically thinking of turing test where she pushed for the kitty towncase right when she needed a dann elim, for those who played/read that)

What is this in reference to this game?

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ari's scumgame is good but i think she isn't at all afraid to be straightforward and just push for what she wants

last time i played against her i saw the points at which it looked like she could be making these same types of pushes of scum agenda but i wasn't willing to pull the trigger on it partly bc it seemed like it was almost too blatant (specifically thinking of turing test where she pushed for the kitty towncase right when she needed a dann elim, for those who played/read that)

What is this in reference to this game?

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Well of that post the point that potentially rings true the most to me is defending Owen by using Baltar as a proxy

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VOTE: UNOwen/VP Baltar

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VOTE: UNOwen/VP Baltar

Desperation

D_D

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Enchant/Midway has one scum, Owen/Baltar has one. Game doesn't make sense otherwise. I have struck gold finally. I realised that Enchant/Midway have to contain scum

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Enchant/Midway has one scum, Owen/Baltar has one. Game doesn't make sense otherwise. I have struck gold finally. I realised that Enchant/Midway have to contain scum

Why Enchant/midway?

Cakez was frozen out. If they were the only mafia in the last players to be paired, scum would have made more of an effort to save them. I believe I said this earlier. Also I just can't see 2 Mafia without including that pair.

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Enchant/Midway has one scum, Owen/Baltar has one. Game doesn't make sense otherwise. I have struck gold finally. I realised that Enchant/Midway have to contain scum

Why Enchant/midway?

Cakez was frozen out. If they were the only mafia in the last players to be paired, scum would have made more of an effort to save them. I believe I said this earlier. Also I just can't see 2 Mafia without including that pair.

a) that only makes sense as a reason if Enchant is scum right?
b) you're townreading the rest of the game?

Not your pair. And not really Firebringer but don't want to vote IC pair

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Enchant/Midway has one scum, Owen/Baltar has one. Game doesn't make sense otherwise. I have struck gold finally. I realised that Enchant/Midway have to contain scum

Why Enchant/midway?

Cakez was frozen out. If they were the only mafia in the last players to be paired, scum would have made more of an effort to save them. I believe I said this earlier. Also I just can't see 2 Mafia without including that pair.

a) that only makes sense as a reason if Enchant is scum right?
b) you're townreading the rest of the game?

Not your pair. And not really Firebringer but don't want to vote IC pair

That doesn't answer the first Q.
You're townreading the entire game except me/vpb/enchant/midway/firebringer?

Yes. And yes Enchant could be scum is what I'm saying

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Midway has been calling me scum since before people paired and hasn't waivered

yes and your beetlejuicing in the thread is noted

You caught me good job

what's your thought process for what made you doubt on furtive

Did someone say furtive

aha

What if it's Baltar and Enchant or something like that

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I voted MariaR/Furtive simple because we really own some gratitude to Shirou, but furtive reaction makes me think that choice is not wrong after all and i stay here.

You correctly townread me in HotD. Am I completely different here?

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Like, from the last pages or so of Furt. His progression and approach to this game is weird.

the old folk would say that he is howling, yes

Weird how

Yes I'm howling watch me flip and be amazed at your skill

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Like, from the last pages or so of Furt. His progression and approach to this game is weird.

the old folk would say that he is howling, yes

Weird how

Yes I'm howling watch me flip and be amazed at your skill

Its more about your self aware beetlejuicing but also im expecting you to be more gamesolvey

Wheres maria

Am I my brother's keeper? (I didn't kill her)

I have solved the game, it's Enchant and Baltar remember

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How about if Owen/Baltar has a red flip everyone agrees that I'm town forever

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Whats the case on enchant?

Partly based on my 'mafia left out means more than one mafia in last few' thing, but also POE, but also they called me sus and I'm not

sort of a melange of different things

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SaveTheDragons you literally towncased me. All you said was that I voted mafia, followed by 'could be a bus'. ??????

That vote is an indication that I'm town.

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nasty person

hypocrite

learn to be a human

This is uncalled for

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pretty sure telling me to go to the newbie queue was uncalled for too

why don't you care about that

Because it's less personal, I don't think 'ur bad' is as mean as 'nasty person'

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Man back in my day dance pts had like 500 posts plus I miss them

I think I missed you in our PT as well

Or did you want me to do like 495 posts

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Baltar leaving if town would probably be protown yeah. The nightkill would be interesting

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Baltar leaving if town would probably be protown yeah. The nightkill would be interesting

You're saying you think Owen is scum?

It's definitely possible

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sorry y'all this first week back at work + life kinda kicked my ass, I have not read since last time I was here

I will definitely definitely play today

can someone tl;dr the Baltar/UNOwen wagon in the mean time
I don't think I've felt scumvibes from either

the thing i feel most compelled by at the moment is the places where ari chose to step out of her way to push an idea into the thread

and thinking about why she would choose to do that in those instances

i talked about it a bit in 2386 and a few surrounding posts and came away from that thinking that the places where there was most likely to be scum (maybe two) is in furtive/maria+owen/baltar pairings

Your insight is that both main wagons could have mafia

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Baltar leaving if town would probably be protown yeah. The nightkill would be interesting

wdym about the nightkill

why would leaving make it more interesting

It wouldn't, I just got thinking about the nightkill that happens after one more pair leaves

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Your insight is that both main wagons could have mafia

yes. earlier i thought you found the point about owen/baltar compelling enough for you to vote there?

Did I just expose myself

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ari's scumgame is good but i think she isn't at all afraid to be straightforward and just push for what she wants

last time i played against her i saw the points at which it looked like she could be making these same types of pushes of scum agenda but i wasn't willing to pull the trigger on it partly bc it seemed like it was almost too blatant (specifically thinking of turing test where she pushed for the kitty towncase right when she needed a dann elim, for those who played/read that)

What is this in reference to this game?

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Well of that post the point that potentially rings true the most to me is defending Owen by using Baltar as a proxy

Eh

I mean it seemed possible

That post didn't convince me though, the timing just looked that way

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im just confused what your point is. do you think my conclusion is opportunistic/scummy?

I don't think so

You can consider my post a meme if you want

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im just confused what your point is. do you think my conclusion is opportunistic/scummy?

I don't think so

You can consider my post a meme if you want

it just seems like a weird thing to say if you also think that the main wagons contain scum

Yeah not my pair though

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Baltar literally said it himself, his pair is one of the few in the grey area right now. Reason I haven't left is because I townread MariaR and she townreads me, whereas Owen/Baltar suspect each other somewhat

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We're now at E-2, invitation to all greedy vultures to come and vote us

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I adore furt regardless if he's a wolf or not tbh <3

oh my days we're both so towny

This feels like schadd's game when I repped in and turned a UTR slot into a mislim, I genuinely feel like I need some kind of award for killing slots I rep into. Like a reverse White Knight

How was Ausuka townread for vibes? I can never get the vibes right

Anyway there's my AtE attempt hope you like

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kinda still think owen/baltar is more likely tho

Then don't smoke us

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If Maria is somehow red, I'm a clown. But they aren't. So you're a clown.

I am prepared for both.

quoting this cause it deserves pagetop

I sure look nice in that pic, I find it very fitting

I haven't got to the point where I see myself as Martin Freeman yet but I look forward to it

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I sus both the players with completely irrelevant votes

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Baltar literally said it himself, his pair is one of the few in the grey area right now. Reason I haven't left is because I townread MariaR

and she townreads me

, whereas Owen/Baltar suspect each other somewhat

Why does Maria townreading you make you want to stay?

United pair better than a dissonant/scumreading each other one

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Anyway doesn't matter, I for one accept my fate (but I will never self vote). Hail Mary guess is Enchant/Owen, how bout that. If wrong then chuck Firebringer in

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why do you suspect firebringer, furtive? I don't think I've seen his name being thrown as potential scum yet

POE

Also because scum would love to pair with the IC, it's smart

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my main reason for wanting furtive/owen is based around Ari's play and even though i think it is important to look at, im kinda hesitant to base decisions off predictions of what scum were trying to do bc i could easily just be wrong on what her priorities were

Voting me based on what another player did seems like something within my control and completely fair to do D_D

[furtiveglance]

Also I just can't see 2 Mafia without including that pair.

uh oh this feels townie to me

tbh part of me is still kinda toying with the idea of a world where it's like FB/Enchant and the team is just lolcatting while townies point fingers at eachother

I said that

[furtiveglance]

my main reason for wanting furtive/owen is based around Ari's play and even though i think it is important to look at, im kinda hesitant to base decisions off predictions of what scum were trying to do bc i could easily just be wrong on what her priorities were

Voting me based on what another player did seems like something within my control and completely fair to do D_D

I wish I could vote Furtive twice just for this post

You hurt me twice then

[furtiveglance]

Well my point is that fire's reason for voting me is nothing to do with me

[furtiveglance]

But nothing I can do about it

[furtiveglance]

I'm gonna step away for a bit, both to relax and get ready for some evening plans, and also to let all the pages I've read digest in me for a while

but I will be around with a firm opinion tonight. I think Maria/Furtive flipping t/t wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, we are ahead, so I am probably going to land on supporting that wagon, though I want to give myself a real chance to talk myself into UNOwen/Baltar

Fine but remember my half baked reads

[furtiveglance]

from datisi's cafe:

Pagetopping this because I'm so important:

Please don't kill me I'm way too young. I still have so much more to give. I am just now getting into my stride. I am extremely desperate. I am willing to transfer you Furtcoin.

this post still makes me laugh but it is a furtive scum post

from house of the dragon:

Here's an argument and a desperate self pres vote:

Datisi town flip: We have 3 confirmed Town, max 1 dies in the night
Datisi scum flip: We have 1 dead Mafia (good in itself), and we know that he (probably) tried to clear 1 other Mafia (looking at LLD)

Me town flip: wow he was a bad player, get better furtiveglance (even though I literally voted for both flipped scum and put my life on the line TWICE idk what you want from me at this point)

but he was pretty openly self-pres as town too and also used the "but i voted scum!" argument

idk

Don't compare this and the cafe, I'm not lolcatting in this. And as for HotD, this is way less important situationally. I just feel sad on a personal note that I'm a consensus scumread after Ausuka did well to town it up, and I know deep down that that stems from never *really* getting stuck into this game and giving proper evidenced reads.

Hopefully town still wins after I die, I'd be surprised and impressed if mafia did.

[furtiveglance]

can you bake them longer

It's tough

I townread most of 'the lobby' like I said. I think Owen/Baltar and Firebringer might have it, but still Enchant yk. Hard to read players.

[furtiveglance]

can you talk about what brought you to confident townreads on ydra/std/gimli?

Ydrasse prob weakest of those

Std and Gimli just flooded me man idk. It's like they RPed town so hard if they maf that they deserve it

[furtiveglance]

Can't discuss ongoing games ofc. Ydrasse seems more like towngame which I have seen in a completed game, than a hypothetical scumgame might look like in an ongoing game in which we both already died but I wouldn't be allowed to talk about for some reason

[furtiveglance]

Man back in my day dance pts had like 500 posts plus I miss them

I think I missed you in our PT as well

Or did you want me to do like 495 posts

also im wondering, this seems like it implies maria hasn't been that active in the pt, is that right?

I used my maths expertise to imply she did about 5 posts

But I do get a townread yh a strong one

[furtiveglance]

@furtive wait so you said she was really town in your PT but your PT has very little maria actually?

Maria has 8 posts, I have 14

I also said Maria felt town in the main thread, but yeah her posts in the PT are towny as well

[furtiveglance]

Who talks when they dance anyway

[furtiveglance]

It doesn't matter. I'm bored of being on the chopping block now, best thing for town is prob to get it over with. I would never leave though, I'm not that dramatic. Don't cry for me

[furtiveglance]

the way you talked about PT made it seem like you were actually hanging out there. like, me and std have 50 posts since I replaced in and it's been like 28 hours since I did

Maria post: paragraph

Std post: some random meme

But yeah well done on being the better replacement

[furtiveglance]

you misrepresented your PT for no reason, even if you're scum that's really bad

Bad play I agree

Furtiveglance bad player (I heard he broke the rules and got a warning for it)

This is a joke

[furtiveglance]

the way you talked about PT made it seem like you were actually hanging out there. like, me and std have 50 posts since I replaced in and it's been like 28 hours since I did

Maria post: paragraph

Std post: some random meme

But yeah well done on being the better replacement

show us your best meme

I'm on mobile but I like kitboga and steve

[furtiveglance]

Bad play I agree

are you saying you did misrepresent your pt

Only thing I'm guilty of is naivete, maybe I put too much faith in too little. But you know what it's like, first time dancing in a mafia forum, it felt real to me

[furtiveglance]

Bad play I agree

are you saying you did misrepresent your pt

Only thing I'm guilty of is naivete, maybe I put too much faith in too little. But you know what it's like, first time dancing in a mafia forum, it felt real to me

im confused

do you still think the posting by her was towny or not

Yes, that's my personal response

[furtiveglance]

I'm starting to get a similar paranoia vibe about Ydrasse but I don't think I'd want to flip them first today, that's a pair I wanna come back to with a few more flips and a NK

Fair enough
UNVOTE: Ydrasse/fireisredsir
VOTE: MariaR/furtiveglance

You are maf. Baltar leave if Maria is town

[furtiveglance]

calm down Gimli please let's talk don't leave yet

I'm really scared of scum!Meuh right now

let me do this
I'll leave. if it's meuh, she deserves it. if it's std, he deserves it even more, but then I get to win over him.
if I'm throwing then so be it.
don't be sad ydrasse, mafia is hard <3

Obviously if you were right you look like a gamer and you might take this the wrong way and think it's because you were wrong

But you should have listened, from a gameplay and being a good sport perspective, leaving was unfair to the other town without more discussion